What the FBI's Mar-a-Lago Warrant Does—and Doesn't—Mean
Even if a warrant wasn’t the DOJ’s only option, its choice to go this route doesn’t signal—let alone prove—anything about the future of the probe.

Former President Donald Trump's Tuesday night appeal to the Supreme Court is the latest expression of his insistence that his rights have been violated by the federal investigation following an FBI search for classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate. And while the allegation here is fairly arcane, more often Trump has been leveling (and fundraising from) a simpler and graver charge: that this was an "Unwarranted, Unnecessary, and possibly Illegal Raid on Mar-a-Lago, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment."
That'd be terrible were it true—like anyone, Trump deserves constitutional protections. But the search was not, in fact, "unwarranted" in the relevant sense of the word: We've seen the warrant, its inventory list, and much of its justification. Of course, it's possible that we'll learn the FBI lied, though it's hard to imagine even federal law enforcement being reckless enough to take that risk in the highest profile case on earth. For now, anyway, we've learned no such thing.
Still, Trump's whining raises an interesting question: Was a search the feds' only option to get these documents back? And if it wasn't, does that decision tell us something about Trump's legal fate—say, that he's headed for criminal prosecution?
Reason spoke with Walter Olson, a senior legal scholar at the Cato Institute, to try and answer these questions. A search warrant wasn't the only option the Department of Justice (DOJ) had here, Olson said, though the history of the case suggests jumping to that move wasn't unreasonable. A "subpoena would be the ordinary, less dramatic way to use legal process to get the documents," he explained, and Trump was subpoenaed earlier this year but "failed to comply," "falsely certified compliance," and otherwise disregarded instructions for how to keep the documents secure while they remained in his hands.
"Some have talked about whether some intermediate 'this time we really mean it' subpoena or related motions might have been feasible," Olson continued. "I don't know. DOJ has indicated that informer reports of insecure storage of sensitive papers, coupled with what it regards as bad faith concealment and false certification, lifted this episode, in its view, out of the 'ask again, but this time more sternly' realm."
Yet, even if a warrant wasn't the Justice Department's only option, its choice to go this route doesn't signal—let alone prove—anything about the future of the probe, Olson said. "Nothing whatsoever about a search warrant or its execution compels later prosecution," he explained. "Even if decisively incriminating evidence is found, the usual principles of prosecutorial discretion will apply." The DOJ could still elect not to pursue an indictment for Trump, perhaps because of the difficulty of proving criminal intent. Reclaiming the documents may be the end of the matter.
Or maybe not. As wary as he was of conjecture about the DOJ's plans, Olson doubted the Mar-a-Lago search would be the department's last big act in this case. "If nothing else, obstruction of justice through concealment of evidence and bad faith certification of compliance with a subpoena [are in] a category of crime that DOJ does typically prosecute with vigor," he wrote. Whether Trump's legal and political shenanigans make prosecution more or less likely he was not inclined to speculate.
I am inclined, though I suspect it can only ever be speculation for those of us outside DOJ walls. The debate over whether to prosecute Trump in this and other possible cases—like the Georgia investigation into possible election fraud—has plenty of practical considerations around evidence quality, venue selection, witness cooperation, and more. But in the bigger picture, of which the Justice Department is undoubtedly aware, it comes down to a question of whether to prioritize rule of law or civil peace.
That's a legitimately difficult choice because those are both paramount goods in a polity like ours. If Trump is prosecuted, especially on charges which could result in his imprisonment, civil unrest or outright violence is all but guaranteed.
I'm not forecasting a full-blown civil war, on which I tend to be quite bearish. But another Capitol riot-style event? Attempted attacks on people like Attorney General Merrick Garland? Utter chaos at polling places in 2024? Something in that vein is not just possible but probable. Prosecuting Trump is not a path to domestic tranquility. It will not suddenly convince his tens of millions of supporters that he's a terrible leader or a vicious man.
On the other hand, rule of law is not a small thing, and I'm eager to see a new precedent of prosecuting presidents—ideally for weightier offenses than obstruction, like responsibility for torture and other war crimes and constitutional breaches. Comparable countries already indict and prosecute their heads of government and state for committing such crimes, and we could too. The chief law enforcement officer, of all people, should not be above the law.
But whether the Mar-a-Lago search stands any chance of moving us toward that end remains an open question. I can see a way to just about any outcome: prosecution or no prosecution, a big charge or a technicality, conviction or acquittal, a serious sentence or a slap on the hand. Whatever his destination, though, we can at least rely on Trump to caterwaul the whole way there.
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THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!!!!
Some guy at Cato says it's all cool. CASE CLOSED!
Doesn't address the use of a general warrant at all.
Doesn't address the claims of actual classification at all.
Adds a new claim of false certification even those that is entirely dependent on the claim the documents were not declassified which is still a claim in question.
States Trump was not working with the DoJ nor securing documents despite him having worked and given up documents and added security as requested a mere month prior to the raid.
Yea, sure, but the question is whether or not he has the right to retain the documents. Pretty much every single other conceivable point is completely moot until that question is answered.
In my opinion? No, he doesnt have a right to the documents. I feel like the law is pretty clear cut on this.
Barack Obama took 30 million documents and moved them to Chicago. This was covered in USA Today and the NYT. No one cared. No one pretended he was "breaking the law." Who packed up Obama's boxes? TWO YEARS after Trump leaves office they start a line of lies about "nuclear codes" as if those don't change at all between administrations and the useful idiots fall for it. And then they break into his house, his lawyers' houses, the My Pillow guy's house, the mom in Colorado's house. Wake up. This isn't about classified documents "folks." It's about the Uniparty and their jackbooted thugs.
You are repeating a talking point that was refuted weeks ago. The documents in Chicago are in the possession of the National Archives, not Obama.
The hell it was "refuted" you lying shill. Obama’s own website has the letter on it and it reads exactly as MJaneKelly stated.
Anyone can read it:
https://www.obama.org/wp-content/uploads/BOF-NARA-LOI.pdf
Who the hell do you think you’re fooling? Did you really think you were tricking people?
Interesting. That letter proves you are wrong. Very interesting. Thanks for posting the link.
Just so your misinformation isn't the last word, EdG:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/contorted-presidential-records-act-bipartisan-100019508.html
"At the end of the Obama administration, 30 million pages of documents from his presidency were shipped to a vast empty furniture store near Chicago (Shades of “Indiana Jones”!).
The Obama Foundation, a private nonprofit organization, will control the official records of his time in office, rather than the National Archives and Records Administration, which administers all other presidential libraries going back to Herbert Hoover. Rather than opening the paper files to the public and researchers, the Obama Foundation will eventually digitize the records. A National Archives news release noted that COVID-19 has delayed digitization efforts.
Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Garrow warned, “The absence of a true Obama presidential library will have the effect of discouraging serious and potentially critical research into the Obama presidency.”
The PRA gives great deference to the president. It also does not require every copy if a document made need to be returned. If they exist electronically by the agency or government computers the criteria is met.
hard to imagine even federal law enforcement being reckless enough to take that risk in the highest profile case on earth.
So much comedy in one sentence.
I mean, Crossfire Hurricane showed they were willing enough to even lie with edited emails to get warrants.
And the fact that none of the scumbags involved in that caper have been tossed in prison shows that we don't have a justice system in this country at all. The FBI is part of the obedience enforcement apparat.
-jcr
For reals. Trust them. They are so honest. Reason mag is infected with TDS.
Yeah, after the whole 'Russia collusion' FISA warrant based on Clinton campaign research one might be tempted to suspect they're not as above board as they claim. But it was just one bad apple (Strzok was fired) so it's been 'taken care of' now...right? Right?!
And that's just one of the many, many 'investigations' based on tenuous reasons that ultimately didn't pan out into anything at all.
This time may be different, but it's starting to emulate the boy who cried wolf.
The only people who care about this in the slightest are journo shitlibs and team blue fanboys who follow it like a sport. That's it. no one else cares.
Yeah, normal people are much more worried about the FBI turning into the enforcement arm of the administration than whatever paperwork snafu that Trump may or may not be guilty of. The DNC is (obviously) how terrified of this guy — even as they claim he’s extremist and has no real support.
Oh, and don’t forget bankrolling MAGA candidates. If the DNC really thought MAGA Republicans were such a threat, they wouldn’t be bankrolling them!
that I think you're wrong on.
They would still fund MAGA candidates even if they really did think it was a "threat to democracy" Maybe even more so
Because Israel bankrolls Hamas in your world? That is what you're declaring from the rhetoric of the DNC.
The only one making a big deal of a “paperwork snafu” is Trump. He could have simply returned the documents when asked.
MOVE ON
Allen Weisselberg -- who is awaiting sentencing and being called to testify against Trump and the Trump Organization (which he has pledged to do) -- cares.
The Trump lawyers who are moving toward disbarment, fines, and professional censure probably care.
The Trump associates, vendors, and family members who have been or will be indicted or charged with civil misconduct seem to care.
The Trump Foundation cares . . . oops, not any more -- better Americans put it out of operation.
The guy Trump sent $3 million to just to get the guy to start work for Trump probably cares.
The millions of Americans who enjoy watching grifters, criminals, cheaters, bigots, and other low-lifes held to account probably care.
FOAD, cling-on.
That's part of the problem : no one else cares.
Oh wait! There's actually millions of people who care, as evidenced by Trump's recent fundraising bonanza... so is what you're saying is that only shitlibs and teamblue fanboys care *that Trump is probably full of shit*?
That is simply not true. Plenty of people who supported his policies as President are shocked by this. Maybe “shocked” is too harsh a term. I mean, when has he ever done anything publicly that was not intended to make Democrats scream? Nevertheless, this isn’t stumbling a bit on a ramp or calling sub-saharah Arican countries “Shitholes”. This is holding on to official government documents that did not belong to him and then lying about it in order to retain possession of something he did not, nor ever could, own. The Top Secret/ SCI/ Classified/ etc. markings on the envelopes are only important to people like me because of what they could contain. Whether or not he de-Classified them is immaterial if they were genuinely sensitive documents that foreign adversaries might want. And from the leaks to date that certainly seem to be the case. He hasn’t offered up a reason for having taken them, and we know that at least some of the sensitive information was withheld by him, not the GSA or some other grunt worker. He tried to claim that everything had been returned even though it obviously had not.
Claiming that “nobody cares” about this is absurd. Lots of people care about it for various reasons. Some are purely political, some are genuine fear for the safety and security of individual undercover agents, some for the interest of national security in general. As long as he tries to avoid having to explain why he took them, what he planned to do with those recovered, and most importantly, what happened to the contents of the envelopes marked sensitive but empty there will be genuine questions for DOJ to force answers to. What the hell happened to those missing documents? Don’t tell me no one cares. People do care. A lot.
The only person you can reasonably prove cares is yourself; everything claimed above regarding others who care is nothing more than a hodgepodge of weasel words and speculation masquerading as evidence. Furthermore, I, Woodchipper wrote no one else cares, not nobody cares, and qualified his statement excluding journo shitlibs and team blue fanboys from those who don’t care. Unless and until someone tells you they care, you're just assuming they do, which as a premise is the equivalent of making shit up.
I care. Quit making shit up.
Cite?
As compared to Hillary's email server, the foreign "donations" her foundation received while she was SoS, and her complicity in Russiagate, which were low profile only because the FBI kept its mitts off.
I've heard that the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, the attempted kidnapping/assassination a sitting Governor, and an insurrection all would've gone completely unnoticed if not for the FBI's impeccable investigative powers and tactful handling of details us mere mortals would've missed.
Governor Whitmer would be lying on the bottom of Lake Michigan with her corpse consumed by carp if not for their heroic action. Granted the world would be a better place. But that shouldn't detract from their diligence.
You jest, but the FBI is a very small step away from actually committing politically motivated assassinations and acts of terror. The Spirit of Hoover lives on.
That ship has sailed, See Ruby Ridge or Waco.
I would not call Ruby Ridge or Waco politically motivated assassinations or acts of terrorism.
"Even if a warrant wasn’t the DOJ’s only option, its choice to go this route doesn’t signal—let alone prove—anything about the future of the probe."
Whaaaaat? Some sort of nuanced and dispassionate look at the situation?
Where's the TDS?!
Well it proves that they chose an unprecedented option, shopped it to a fucking magistrate and got a general warrant that allowed them to search his teenage son's bedroom.
The FBI has ransacked Barron Trump's room but refuses to even look at Hunter Biden's laptop.
That pretty much says it all.
Is this a great country, or what?
Carry on, clingers. You get to whine and whimper as much as you like, but you will continue to comply with the preferences of your betters. Sometimes, that will involve subpoenas, indictments, prosecutions, fines, and incarcerations. If you have don't like it or have objections -- well, nobody cares.
Our “betters”? Fuck off, elitist. You were never anyone’s “better”.
In fact, fuck off all the way back to the WaPo where you belong.
The funny thing is that Kirkland is as far away from being an elitist as you can get. He is just some loser failed newspaper editor from bum fuck PA. He is an actual deplorable but is such an angry bitter loser all he has is pretending to be an elitist by being one of the dumbest leftists there is. It is really kind of sad when you know the truth
"Is this a great country, or what?"
It'd be much better once you fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
It wasn't a general warrant. Duh.
Of course, it's possible that we'll learn the FBI lied, though it's hard to imagine even federal law enforcement being reckless enough to take that risk in the highest profile case on earth.
I was gonna say, "Sure, the way it's hard to imagine the Cubs winning the 2016 World Series." but even that doesn't really do it justice. More like "Sure, the way it's hard to imagine the Brewers blowing a shot at winning a World Series."
1982 was a hoot.
" Prosecuting Trump is not a path to domestic tranquility. It will not suddenly convince his tens of millions of supporters that he's a terrible leader or a vicious man."
I'm afraid you've got it backwards, Bonnie. Trump's supporters already know he's a vicious man. That's why they support him.
You are such a shithead.
Yeah look at all of the political opponents he had arrested!
That and increesing the punishment for crack to get them darkies in prison!
We do know that TDDS-addled shit-piles like you are to be insulted rather than engaged.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Yes, unlike Biden supporters, who apparently find impossible the challenge of distinguishing a man from a potato.
Now do the POS on office that has declared half of America to be terrorists you ignorant cunt.
Comparable countries already indict and prosecute their heads of government and state for committing such crimes, and we could too.
Trump Cultists would appear and scream then point like the pods from 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' at the surviving humans. Jan 6 showed us how they defend their Messiah.
TDS much, shitplug?
I guess it all depends on ones perspective.
I just got done praising you for accurately predicting the US economy would tank in 2020 because of Trump's tariffs.
But I think even more impressive was your prediction waaaaaaaaaaay back in May of last year that Trump would finally go to prison over a classified document scandal that most of us only learned about 14 or 15 months later.
"The Dotard will join his convict team soon." - Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2, May 23, 2021
Damn you're good. 🙂
#ButtplusHasTheBestIntel
The Oracle of Dogdick, Georgia hath spoken. You know his predictions are never wrong.
#WallsAreClosingIn
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, akiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Yeah, questioning the accuracy of an election is a threat to democracy, but sending the secret police to persecute your political opponents is no threat at all.
Correction: Questioning an election of a Republican is a patriotic duty (2000 and 2016). Only questioning the election of a Democrat is a threat to democracy.
Illegal FISA warrants, rubber-stamping judges, shady informants working for both the FBI and the political opposition, lying FBI agents, Trump campaign officials illegally surveilled for over a year with no charges brought... all aimed at the Trump campaign.
But this Mar-a-Lago thing? Every T dotted and every I crossed.
Of course. When we're talking OrangeManBad, the FBI is never wrong. Nor is Russiagate, nor is the issues he's having with the New York Attorney General, nor anything else to happen to him. Why? Mean tweets because OrangeManBad. 😛
Well they're still trying to live down that whole Callie House thing. But since then they've been squeeky cleen.
Yeah, I find this hard to believe too. If the FBI were a witness, it would be very easy to impeach their testimony based on previous lies. "No, honest, this time I'm telling the truth" won't play well.
Of course, it's possible that we'll learn the FBI lied, though it's hard to imagine even federal law enforcement being reckless enough to take that risk in the highest profile case on earth. For now, anyway, we've learned no such thing.
Sure, if we ignore a case that in every real sense makes Watergate look like a minor accounting error, this case is solid.
Reason always falls back on the "it is the FBI and the FBI could never lie" defense. Every cop is a liar and a criminal except for the FBI who are above reproach.
Pathetic.
Be fair, they only find the FBI to be beyond reproach when targeting Trump specifically or Republicans in general.
Watergate
To this day the reference to '18 1/2 minutes' is still understood. My 15 yr. old gets the reference entirely of his own edification. But 5 yrs. since the Las Vegas shooting, 18 mos. of nominally confidential documents sitting in a nominally insecure location, several dozen insurrectionists held for months without trial... that's just how a right-functioning investigative bureau operates.
Harder to imagine that they wouldn't be that reckless.
The rule of law requires Trump and no one else be prosecuted. Reason never gave a shit about the rule of law when Obama administration officials were guilty of serious felonies like perjury and contempt of Congress and were never prosecuted. They never gave a shit about the rule of law when it was clear Hillary was guilty of serious national security crimes. It has never once wondered why Hunter Biden has a direct line to the FBI and seems to have carte blanche to smoke crack and hire as many hookers as he likes.
But if Trump committed even the most technical of crimes and is guilty of things literally every former President is guilty of, he must be prosecuted or the rule of law must die.
Go fuck yourself Bonnie. Did you dream of growing up to be a pathetic hack?
>> Hunter Biden has a direct line to the FBI
also set one up between General Chao and O's Office.
The libertarian belief in a rule of law requires it's equal application. If it does not reach that standard the law is illegitimate on it's face. This is where the current crop of Reason libertarians has diverged from classical liberalism. Their silence on Russiagate, J6 and their continued support for the most corrupt DOJ in recent history is nothing short of amazing.
Whining, disaffected, powerless, inconsequential right-wing assholes like Briggs Cunningham are among my favorite culture war casualties.
But only until replacement.
Says the failed newspaper editor from BFE Pennsylvania. Being a fascist leftist may make you feel better but it is a false high. At the end of every day, you remain the same loser you have always been.
>>much of its justification
can't be a little pregnant with 4A.
We know the FBI lied about “Russia Gate” We know the FBI lied to the FISA Judges to get warrants several times on Trump. We know the FBI lied on the impeachment process. We know the FBI lied on Hunter’s Laptop. We know the FBI lied about Biden not having anything to do with the Mar-A-Largo raid. Soo…….. Why would anyone think the FBI told the truth on the warrant as noted in the article. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me more and more then your just an idiot, FBI or DOJ Deep State official, or a democrat.
But this time it's different
Let’s have a hypothetical. A senior government official has retired. He’s taken a whole load of government documents, many classified, back to his home where they’re kept in his study, which he always locks. He returned some documents when asked, per a subpoena, and his lawyer insisted, wrongly, that all documents had been returned. Eventually the government gets a search warrant and search the office (and contrary to usual practice, they arrive discreetly and at a considerate time). Many documents are found.
Would anyone defend this official’s actions? Think he did nothing worthy of a criminal case?
(Note that the classification issue is somewhat irrelevant given the actual text of the relevant laws.)
We have lived that hypothetical. His name is Barrack Obama and George Bush. Every President has classified documents they take with them.
Let’s pretend you are not a moron. Nah even I don’t have that good of an imagination
"...Let’s pretend you are not a moron..."
And a steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit, besides!
Yes, I don’t think Obama broke any laws in respect to his documents.
Correct: he did nothing worthy of a criminal case.
Failure to return presidential records is not a criminal issue.
And failure of a former president to return possibly classified documents is not a criminal issue either, as numerous prior presidents have demonstrated.
Nope, SRG is correct and I eagerly await the early morning SWAT raid on the Obama's at MV. Barring that happening soon, he can fuck right off with this one-sided overzealous application of law.
Reason magazine……Defender of general warrants, the FBI, and general government over reach.
Makes sense.
????
Is it too much to hope that Reasons editorial policy going forward refines itself towards predominantly Reasoned and evidence based bipartisan commentary as opposed to click bait screeds and delusional hackery?
Yes.
As much as I would like to see Donald Trump NOT run again, and remove himself from the realm of politics, AND have both parties find some way to pick reasonable and competent candidates....it certainly seems like this classified documents case is being pursued this way in order to try and knock him out of the 2024 race. OR, more conspiracy-minded, make him some kind of martyr and force the GOP to accept him for another run so the Democrats and the Media have Trump to run on again.
He is the one who has made a big deal of it, attempting to make himself a martyr. He could have simply returned all the documents when asked.
Yep, the media totally isn’t culpable for their part in the ridiculousness of the last 6 years.
And why should he have?
"But another Capitol riot-style event? Attempted attacks on people like Attorney General Merrick Garland? Utter chaos at polling places in 2024? Something in that vein is not just possible but probable. Prosecuting Trump is not a path to domestic tranquility. It will not suddenly convince his tens of millions of supporters that he's a terrible leader or a vicious man."
I'll be gracious and not call this TDS, but it is TDS-tinged and I will explain why. In the event something as insane as prosecuting a past political opponent and eligible future opponent would be, you say nothing about the complete loss of trust in our institutions. Yes, martyring Trump is a terrible idea. Proving to the country that there is a fourth arm of government will lead to societal collapse. The slogan won't be drain the swamp; it will become purge the swamp.
I think we all should worry more about open warfare against the US govt than Trump's fate as an individual.
I think we all should worry more about open warfare against the US govt than Trump’s fate as an individual.
I would say that you hit the nail on the head here. But reason is too stupid and conformist to understand that
I think "projection" is the word you're searching for.
I think the return of the documents were the main goal. The fact that the NARA made no attempt to bring this to the publics attention suggests they wanted the documents and nothing else. Even the raid and seizure of the documents would not have been known had Trump not announced the fact. The NARA and DOJ did not want trouble and if this end up in a prosecution I believe it will be because Trump is pushing to that end.
You are a gullible fool.
Really? You hang on every word of a notorious confidence man and I am one who is gullible. Well just keep sending him money. It will make you feel better.
Correct, as evidenced by your ignorance of simple, basic facts about this case.
Really? When am I supposed to have done that? I mean, I didn't vote for the guy, I haven't been to any of his events, I don't subscribe to his feeds on social platform, etc.
You're out of touch with reality, that's your problem.
What have I missed about the facts. NARA asked for the documents back and never raised a fuse. All the former President had to do was give the documents back. NARA only went to DOJ when it was forced. Do you know anything about this case? It doesn't sound like you do.
And that's why we get staged pictures like thisabout classified documents in the press?
That's not how the presidential records act works.
You are a gullible, partisan fool. Authoritarian regimes need fools like you.
Whining? Of course, it's whining. But that's probably better than what could come next if tens of millions of people think justice is no longer blind, even-handed, and applicable to all.
"Of course, it's possible that we'll learn the FBI lied, though it's hard to imagine even federal law enforcement being reckless enough to take that risk in the highest profile case on earth."
Seriously?
Dear MJaneKelly: All I can think of to say is "Jesus wept." The only people I know who are as fearful and paranoid as you are miserable most of the time. We are a community of sorts here, so is there anything we can do to help you?
It doesn't matter whether the FBI lied, raiding a former president's home over a dispute with NARA is ridiculous.
Trying to discuss this as if it were some serious legal issue is also ridiculous. This is more of the same horrific abuse of legal processes by democrats and functionaries for political purposes.
And Reason is going right along with this bullshit.
The basic problem here is that the justification for warrant was based on LawFare. It was highly creative – combining the PRA claim with documents marked classified. They wanted them back? They jumped forward way too far. It’s likely that the documents aren’t classified, and the FBI/DOJ know that. They know that because at least some, if not many, or most, of the documents marked classified are DOJ and FBI documents incriminating those agencies on their handling of their Crossfire Hurricane/RussiaGate investigation formally ordered declassified Trump’s last full day in office. Which, according to FOIA requests were never formally declassified, despite the sitting President’s direct order to do so. They don’t need the documents for litigation – since they have the originals. They need the documents because they incriminate those two agencies in perfidy and malfeasance. They were never surprised that Trump had those documents – they knew it from the day he ordered the documents to be declassified. The Archives connection was their entry into “discovering” the documents – and that was where the Biden WH comes in – they ordered Archives to share documents with the FBI, allowing the FBI to ask Archives for documents, Archives asks Trump, Trump says “pound sand, not yours”, Archives reports to FBI, FBI raids Tump, justifying the raid through the idea that classified documents would still be government property, belonging to them, not Trump. And, by golly, Archives saw documents marked classified (even though DOJ/FBI knew that they weren’t).
Just keep this in mind: 1) The use of the FBI to raid MAL was based on Archives seeing documents marked Classified at MAL – that the DOJ/FBI knew weren’t still classified. 2) Archives disputes are civil disputes, and don’t warrant armed FBI agents searching Melania’s underwear drawer. It’s the unclassified documents still marked as classified that was the hook for the FBI raid. Note how carefully the search warrant was phrased – they were looking for documents marked as classified. 3) Archives, thanks to the WH order to cooperate with the FBI, is the alter ego of the FBI here. 4) FBI/DOJ lied to the magistrate by omission, which is at the root of their malfeasance in the Carter Page warrant (we now even know that they had hired Steele’s primary subsource as a Confidential Human Source, and never disclosed that to the FISC, despite his having told them that he had invented the Steele Dossier claims over drinks in Georgetown) as well as the rest of RussiaGate. The key piece of information that they neglected to mention to him was that they knew that Trump had ordered the documents declassified that they wanted copies back of. They knew because Trump’s order to declassify the documents went to them to declassify the documents, because they were DOJ/FBI documents in the first place.
Note that when I say DOJ/FBI, more specifically I mean DOJ NSD and FBI CD. They are the divisions behind everything from the time that CD Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok told his lover, Lisa Page, That he would make sure that Trump wasn’t elected, then went onto open up Crossfire Hurricane (and shutdown the Midyear Exam (Clinton email) investigation). We know that they are involved here for several reasons. One is that a statement by the CD former Assistant Director was attached to the search warrant paperwork. Second, they RussiaGate documents implicated CD and NSD. Also, they were the ones with the security clearances to view the supposedly classified documents (that they had classified in the first place). Finally, Judge Cannon pointed out that the investigation and taint teams came from the same NSD branch.
Lawyers for former U.S. president Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.
The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search of Mar-a-Lago.
https://worldabcnews.com/trump-asks-u-s-supreme-court-to-step-into-legal-battle-over-mar-a-lago-classified-documents/
Let’s step back for a minute and remind ourselves that when one comes across two fools fighting on the sidewalk, the best course of action is always to cross over to the other side of the street and keep walking.
There is nothing to be gained by joining either side of this scuffle between Trump and the WH. It is obviously political. There aren’t any principles of any kind to be defended on either side, they’re just fighting over control. They aren’t fighting to protect your interests or mine. They aren’t fighting in the name of a higher cause.
They’re just like a bunch of drunks in a bar-room brawl. Aside from throwing a bucket of ice water on their heads, dragging them out by their feet and throwing them in the street, there’s really nothing else to be done with them.
Unfortunately, one of the drunks happens to be in charge of the federal government, and the other one used to be -- and still may be, again. So we don't actually have the "luxury" of kicking them to the curb as they deserve.
So the best defense is to ignore them at the polls. A vote is the only pure political expression of will that people possess. So USE it.
Yeah, it's not like one of the two is sending his Gestapo goon squad at everyday Americans who disagree with him. Nothing to do with them at all, just lie back in your prison cell for wrong think and be thankful this was a limited spat. Are you truly this stupid?
Seeing how the January 6th event appeared to have been 'organized' by Moe Larry and Curly, future episodes of similar civil unrest will probably pan out just as bad as that one. That said, if all the documents Trump took were released to the public the worse that could happen is a nasty letter from a Russian ambassador, objecting to someone calling him e.g. stupid in one of the top secret, really really really classified, documents.
I'm tired of all the Trump talk that is being constantly stirred up of the leftist. Trump was a mediocre president, although better than Biden is. His term is over, but the leftists have so little to stand on they keep Trump in the news as a whipping boy.
What the leftists don't know or don't care is that their bias is so out in front that ordinary people are repelled by their tactics and double standards. While I despise Trump, have never voted for him and never will. The truth is that I despise Trump less than the Biden regime.
Understand that while Trump was in office, he was held in check by a constant onslaught of lies and half-truths being lobbed by the leftists and the dishonest corporate media. Now we have the Biden regime and the sycophantic corporate media. Even with all the favorable press outright providing cover, Biden is clearly under water.
If you honestly ask yourself if you are better off and safer at this point under the boot of the Biden regime that you were at the same point during the Trump regime. What is the result? For a very large number of citizens, the answer is very clearly that they are worse off.
Prices are up, inflation is up, the economy is down, there is a threat of global war, our civil liberties have been reduced to name a few. While Trump should rightly be blames for allowing the COVID regime to hijack the nation and impose unparalleled restrictions and disruption, the Biden regime doubled down.
In hind-site, nearly every argument used to support the COVID regime has been proven incorrect. Some tactics and actions of the COVID regime are so disturbing that legal action should be taken to correct the wrongs perpetrated on the nation and world.
This is the environment where they leftists and Biden regime find themselves in. They appear desperate by their actions. The raid on Mar-a-Lago, is an example of the corruptness of the Biden regime. There were other methods available to collect documents.
Other presidents including Obama retain documents in their Presidential Library that technically are property of the archives. The difference is that Obama was allowed to hold the documents on loan, but Trump was raided. Not saying that Trump isn't a tool, because he like most other politicians are.
History is an interesting thing, but so much is memory-holed. The point is that there should be a single standard that is applied evenly. The Biden regime seems intent to guaranteeing a single party state. They are working overtime to protest the USA from opposing opinions by creating an atmosphere of forced compliance.
Trump is not the answer to the dystopian reality that the Biden regime is fostering. Although Trump did attempt to open up the eyes of the country to the farce of the left. Ideologically the closest candidate to Trump was Sanders (before he became a democrat). There are better candidates than the septuagenarians and octogenarians the Republicrats/Demlicans continue to offer.
Comparing apples to oranges is not the appropriate approach to civil peace versus rule of law. Although civil peace is a great goal in the abstract there is no way to guarantee that civil peace will result from any of the options available to "law enforcement" at this point in our history. The rule of law is not abstract and is far more important than any other consideration. It would be great if the FBI and the DOJ started, at some point, to start to support the rule of law, but first Congress would have to repeal a whole long list of unconstitutionally vague and broad laws - or the Supreme Court would have to nullify them.
It means this crook finally has the smallest shred of accountability applied and can't handle it. Much the same as his pea brained cultist followers can't handle the fact that they worship a con man.
The author suggests that lawful DOJ investigation of the Trumpagon papers might. at worst, lead to civil unrest and even civil violence should Trump be indicted and tried, let alone convicted. He wonders "whether to prioritize rule of law or civil peace" I will suggest in response that these are not even close to being mutually exclusive. I will suggest rather that they are joined at the hip: civil peace is impossible in our society without the rule of law. All of us from the president all the way down to me are required to respect both so long as the Constitution remains our societal blueprint.
Confirmed that spammers first send a 'fake' response and then edit in their spam later.
General warrants are illegal warrants. So libertarian of you. Hahaha. General warrants are legal now according to “Reason”
Also, trust the government because they wouldn’t lie. Hahahah. Good grief.
Trump wants this to happen, Win or lose. He's turned federal prosecution And the Democratic Party into into a fundraising mechanism. Brilliant.
Saw it happen on a reload? I've wondered about that.
Yep. The first response was just few random letters, then it was full spam when I came back.
is why they speak engrish all of a sudden?
It's easier on the eyes than Sqrlsy.
Smarter to boot.
This was not a general warrant. A general warrant refers to a warrant providing a law-enforcement officer with broad discretion or authority to search and seize unspecified places or persons. A general warrant lacks a sufficiently particularized description of the person or thing to be seized or the place to be searched. Mar-a-lago is certainly not an unspecified place, Donald J. Trump is certainly not an unspecified person, and the detailed list of things to be seized does not lack particularity. Quit lying and saying it was a general warrant when clearly it was not.
How seriously can you take a warrant about general (yes; general) papers that provide no evidence of a committed crime.