Don't Hold Your Breath Waiting for a Post-Pandemic 'Return to Normal'
We’re likely to be poorer, distrustful, and less free for years to come.

President Biden may have admitted "the pandemic is over" with regard to COVID-19, but that doesn't mean we won't be feeling its sting for a long time to come.
Security expert Brian Michael Jenkins argues that "the normality we knew before will not return" as we suffer the lingering effects on policy, erosion of liberty, and breakdowns in social cohesion. Data from elsewhere shows that we're already living in a world affected by the pandemic and the policies adopted in response to the virus. Pointing to the after-effects of historical epidemics, Jenkins predicts the damage may last for generations.
"Physicians talk about 'long COVID,' the range of ongoing, recurring, or new medical conditions that can appear long after the initial infection: the concept has a broader application to society as a whole," Jenkins writes in a commentary adapted from his recently published book, Plagues and Their Aftermath: How Societies Recover From Pandemics. "And as we try to process what all this means, history can be a useful tool to help us understand what we might expect in the future."
Those of us particularly concerned about lockdowns and other assaults on personal liberty that were implemented in the name of fighting infection are in good company suggests Jenkins, a former Green Beret captain, later adviser to the National Commission on Terrorism, and now a senior adviser to the president of the RAND Corporation. Governments have traditionally taken a heavy-handed approach, prompting questions about motives as well as pushback.
"Since the Middle Ages, it has been recognized that large-scale outbreaks of disease are dangerous and demand aggressive responses, drawing government into domains of activity that have traditionally been outside of political authority," he notes. "As in past epidemics, suspicions that government has exploited COVID-19 to expand its authority have been widespread."
In fact, watchdog groups around the world have repeatedly warned of government officials taking advantage of the virus to tighten the leash on the people under their control.
"As COVID-19 spread during the year, governments across the democratic spectrum repeatedly resorted to excessive surveillance, discriminatory restrictions on freedoms like movement and assembly, and arbitrary or violent enforcement of such restrictions by police and nonstate actors," Freedom House observed last year.
"The pandemic has resulted in an unprecedented withdrawal of civil liberties among developed democracies and authoritarian regimes alike," in the words of The Economist's Democracy Index 2021. "It has led to the normalisation of emergency powers, which have tended to stay on the statute books, and accustomed citizens to a huge extension of state power over large areas of public and personal life."
Of course, civil and economic liberties work hand-in-hand. People who weren't free to visit friends or escape surveillance also weren't free to trade.
"The policy responses to the coronavirus pandemic, including massive increases in government spending, monetary expansion, travel restrictions, regulatory mandates on businesses related to masks, hours, and capacity, and outright lockdowns undoubtedly contributed to an erosion of economic freedom for most people," finds the Fraser Institute's Economic Freedom of the World: 2022 report. Restrictions at the outset of the pandemic resulted in "erasing about a decade's worth of improvement in economic freedom in the world."
That's unfortunate, because "countries with institutions and policies more consistent with economic freedom have higher investment rates, more rapid economic growth, higher income levels, and a more rapid reduction in poverty rates." The inflation, recession, and economic disruptions we see around us are direct results of governments' pandemic policies and reverse decades of growing prosperity.
Jenkins points out that such intrusive and opportunistic behavior by governments isn't new, and that people frequently see what's happening. The resulting erosion of trust after the 1918 Spanish Flu "was inherited by descendants and persisted decades after the pandemic."
The fraying social fabric that we see around us as mental illness, crime, and general hostility is also a replay of past events. "These last two years have resembled the disorders seen during the Plague of Athens during the Peloponnesian War and the Black Death in the Middle Ages," Jenkins comments.
"Psychologists blame the observed increase in antisocial behavior during the pandemic on prolonged isolation, which heightens anxiety, increases irritability, promotes aggression, and diminishes impulse control. Essentially, people have shorter fuses," he writes. "The effects may be hard to reverse."
Researchers agree that, whatever effects lockdowns and stay-at-home orders had in terms of limiting the spread of COVID-19, they did a lot of social damage.
"Evidence shows what service providers long suspected," the Justice Department conceded last October. "The COVID-19 pandemic exacerbated the domestic violence crisis by further isolating many people from family, friends, and support systems; and created even deeper economic and emotional hardship."
Children suffered "significant anxiety and depression during the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic," according to a May 2021 article in Pediatric Clinics of North America. "Social isolation, loneliness, lack of physical exercise, and family stress may contribute to these problems."
Kids also suffered enormous loss in terms of learning when many public schools closed their doors and failed to make an effective transition to remote classes.
"Average scores for age 9 students in 2022 declined 5 points in reading and 7 points in mathematics compared to 2020," the National Center for Education Statistics revealed this month. "This is the largest average score decline in reading since 1990, and the first ever score decline in mathematics."
That's quite a litany of harm from our reactions to the pandemic and it's not something that we'll quickly fix. We're likely to be poorer, distrustful, and less free for years to come.
"The normality we knew before will not return," Jenkins bluntly states. "Postpandemic society is a new, more-perilous place where we are stressed, wary of each other, edgy, and quick to violence. The pandemic has heightened distrust in American institutions, which many have come to see as dysfunctional, ineffectual, corrupt, even tyrannical."
We don't know how long this new normal will last, but the grimmest takeaway is that this all could have been foreseen by studying epidemics of the past. That we didn't learn from previous crises suggests that officials may be allowed to repeat the same mistakes the next time they flex their public-health muscles.
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It’s OK if “we” — meaning everyone outside the top 20 to 30 richest people on the planet — get poorer. Because Koch / Reason libertarianism doesn’t care about deadbeat losers without 11-digit net worths.
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“If our benefactor Charles Koch gets richer, then by definition things are going well.” – OpenBordersLiberal-tarian
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Edit: I stand corrected. Reason got at least one thing right.
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I honestly thought I’d never live to see the day…
I… I….
Oh geez. Talk amongst yourselves. I’m verklempt.
Holy shit! Reason, you fucking mad lads. You actually fucking did it. Props for finally joining the 21st century, even if this is like a baseline thing anyone should expect. I do appreciate it.
Now if only they would occasionally champion the cause of liberty over marxist progressive claptrap we might be getting somewhere.
Now let’s not get carried away.
baby steps.
Clump of cells steps.
Does this mean we will no longer be subjected to “I can make 80 greenbacks from home” type pitches? I get tired of muting an never ending list of shitposters.
We might be getting more than we bargained for. It wouldn’t shock me if they started moderating comments soon.
My thoughts as well. Didn’t they purge a commenter for calling ENB a cunt?
Anybody seen Nardz lately?
Edit: Oh man, edit button finally!!!
I have no idea. Who was it? I have not seen NARDZ though, but the way to tell if he was purged is to see if his old comments are gone.
Ah, just barely missed the edit window. Wanted to be sexy about it. Alas:
https://reason.com/2022/07/09/july-brings-a-mixed-bag-of-new-state-alcohol-laws/?comments=true#comment-9590291
His old comments are still up. He’s probably just on vacation.
Moderating comments costs money and is fundamentally anti freedom.
I like that I can reasonably date your age now based on the ELEVENTY11ONE joke.
We don’t know how long this new normal will last, but the grimmest takeaway is that this all could have been foreseen by studying epidemics of the past.
Or, you know, observing the old libertarian saws: -You’re responsible for your health, I’m responsible for my health. -If you, or I, or both die from the response to COVID (or other) whomever is in charge of the response is at fault. If you, or I, or both die from COVID (or other), it’s ours or nobody’s fault.
Edit: Because I can!
If you, or I, or both die from COVID (or other), it’s ours or nobody’s fault.
Not the fault of those that developed COVID?
Not the fault of those that developed COVID?
In the larger libertarian context, unless we’re hanging around a wet market in Wuhan, not really, no. We don’t charge every rioter across the country (removed by nth degrees) for every death of every police officer days later with 3+ comorbidities.
In the more realistic context, the guy in charge of stealing taxpayer dollars to develop the virus is/was also the guy stealing taxpayer dollars to generate the response that killed people.
“Not the fault of those that developed COVID?”
God developed Covid to kill as many Republicans as Donald Trump wanted.
LOL – We aren’t going to have to endure the post-COVID effects to society for more than 2 years. By then, society will be gone and the roving bands of cannibals will be a much bigger problem.
Ooh! I’ve been celebrating the arrival of the long-fabled Edit Button, but maybe it’s a portent!
Let’s see. The first four seals of the Apocalypse are the horsemen, Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death.
The fifth seal:(I) saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not improve the freaking message board where we so testify?
Slightly paraphrased, but you get it. Pretty clear to me. Keep an eye out for earthquakes and trumpets.
OK, no trumpets yet.
I tried and edit and it failed.
the roving bands of cannibals will be a much bigger problem.
Counter historical fact: Far less cannibals were in the collapsed USSR then in the USSR.
So, I think places like Portland will see a dramatic drop in cannibalism once society collapses.
Just testing it,
Whatever; after reading “The Road” by Cormack McCarthy I vowed that I’d never be low on ammunition (and effective weapons) again.
So bring it on ye roving bands of canna-balls; I have plenty of wood for the smoke house and I understand you taste like the other white meat.
Did we not tell you so at the beginning of March 2020?
Poor us! Those viruses are so unfair, and no other generations have had to deal with such an injustice.
You actually sound like a typical college student (and professor), assuming that by “virus” you mean any perceived challenge.
You are more than free to remain hiding under the bed in terror. The rest of us would rather move on.
But there be monsters under there!
That’s nothing. Did you hear? Some people make more money than others!
To the barricades!
Was this really the first approved response for this subject according to your trolling manual? Seems like this would be more in the range of an 8th or 9th selectable response.
Those viruses are so unfair,
COVID-AR15 makes deer explode!!!
Hit ’em with one of those lung-blaster rounds and the pieces land already cooked.
Stupid and ineffective policies being imposed is not a natural effect of viruses.
I know, right? The FF were just opposing tyranny with malaria, smallpox, TB, Typhoid, dysentery, Yellow Fever, etc., etc. going on *in the background*. It’s so much tougher to impose tyranny *in the background* using a disease with a 99+% survival rate.
No one anticipated that a virus would kill so many people.
It took everyone by surprise.
That’s quite a litany of harm from our reactions to the pandemic and it’s not something that we’ll quickly fix. We’re likely to be poorer, distrustful, and less free for years to come.
Not to mention that we still have significant excess mortality. It appears to mostly be circulatory related – ischemic heart disease, strokes, hypertension.
COVID is not the only virus that causes long term effects. In fact, many common ailments (cancer, heart disease) can potentially be caused by viral infections that happen early in life.
I’m not sure the excess mortality has anything to do with any virus at this point. I think these are ‘stress’ and anger deaths. Jmo
Yes indeed we do.
A real shame that twitter is now considered something more than mere brain farts.
NSFT*: And how much of that excess mortality, especially among those under 50, might be attributed to vaccines?
*Not Safe For Twitter
If that’s the case (or the reverse – caused by virus but not vaccinated) then those deaths should be highly correlated with political leanings of different states. Which doesn’t seem to be the case – unlike 2021 which was highly correlated with political leanings.
unlike 2021 which was highly correlated with political leanings.
LOL! I must have missed the study of studies that came to that consensus conclusion.
Lockdown states did worse. Jfree is just ignorant to that fact.
Jfree is just ignorant.
JFree still has his PANIC flag jammed up his ass.
Of course you don’t care about any reality that doesn’t comport with your politics. It’s called cognitive dissonance. But the fact is that the delta wave hit much much harder ( meaning excess deaths regardless of what the deaths are attributed to) in states that resisted vaccines and hit hospital capacities.
But the fact is that the delta wave hit much much harder ( meaning excess deaths regardless of what the deaths are attributed to) in states that resisted vaccines and hit hospital capacities.
That is utter bullshit. 1) No hospital in any metro area ever exceeded its capacity. Find a single citation. 2) NY and NJ and other deep blue bastions had already ‘managed’ the death of a large portion of their most vulnerable population in 2020. You are cherry picking dates in a ridiculous attempt at gaslighting. And why? Oh, to score points for people that swear you don’t represent.
Remember all the COVID overflow care centers that were built, then quietly dismantled?
Ford Field remembers.
So does Century Link. April 8, 2020.
https://www.q13fox.com/news/army-field-hospital-at-centurylink-field-event-center-to-be-dismantled-returned-to-fema
That same day (but not in that article), Inslee proclaimed that hospitals weren’t in danger of being overrun. (Being the coward he is, he would still have it up today if there was even a 1% chance it would be needed)
Yet we were locked down for 16 more months.
Edit: Hurray edit feature allowing me to clarify the post!
Whatever. I’m not interested in your ilks lies and bullshit anymore.
Been a LONG time since anyone here gave a shit re3garding your opinions and lies.
LOL you mean the seasonality that dictates that sunbelt states have a summer spike? The one I’ve been telling you about for two years?
Lol dunno about that. FL and Kali were about the same in outcomes. We did just fine here TYVM, excepting the cesspool that is Miami-Dade
I live in the 4th largest metro.
The one with the woke mouse.
You mean the county that had problems sanitizing its water supply because the hospitals were sucking up all the oxygen for covid patients? Or the one that had to bring in temporary freezer morgues because no siree there is nothing going on here. Or hmm – those were the same county
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-hospitals-refrigerated-trucks-temporary-morgues
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) deployed 85 refrigerated trucks to New York City to serve as temporary morgues, where hospitals will place the overflow of bodies, as the coronavirus death toll climbed steadily on Monday.
The additional truck space could double the capacity of city morgues, upping it from 3,500 bodies to 7,000, NY’s Medical Examiner’s Office (OCME) said.
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Hard to believe you didn’t know this, but you’re you.
I’m very aware that happened in NY in early 2020. You are clearly unaware it happened in central florida in Aug/Sep 2021 – 14 portable morgues on way to Central Florida – Number of deaths right now is unprecedented
Virtually none.
> Not to mention that we still have significant excess mortality. It appears to mostly be circulatory related – ischemic heart disease, strokes, hypertension.
Until America has Universal, taxpayer-funded healthcare like other purported first world countries, we will continue to have a way sicker population, have horrible maternal mortality rates, etc.
More government will cure everybody!!!
Government funds virtually all primary research on which all technology is based.
Less government will cure nobody.
“Until America has Universal, taxpayer-funded healthcare like other purported first world countries, we will continue to have a way sicker population, have horrible maternal mortality rates, etc.”
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Citizens of the United States, now a third world, failed state, have the worst health care system of any first world nation.
Thanks to Libertarian social policies, American longevity has been in decline for the last 1.5 decades.
American live shorter lives than the citizens of these countries.
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Singapore ,Switzerlan ,Macao ,Japan ,Hong Kong
LOL!
Did anyone else get the survey and fill it out? I had one a couple of days ago.
Edited for he heck of it.
I used it for toilet paper, but it has hard and scratchy.
Yeah, I used the survey to ask for an edit button with a 5-minute timer.
>>Edited for he heck of it.
can’t tell if …
I called for the triumphant return of lobster girl.
Man, I didn’t fill it out when I saw it. Now it feels like a wasted opportunity.
I sure hope they take your suggestion to heart.
Just picture it – “Lobster Girl is a contributing editor at Reason”
https://reason.com/2009/11/12/get-us-to-500-donors-or-thats/
Granted, that photo was published a dozen years ago, though I’m pretty sure every writer that ever had their photo on the masthead has been tempted to post one from before their hair turned grey or they grew a paunch.
Still… Dayum! Best editor bio photo ever.
your obsession is to everyone’s benefit.
The pandemic returned to normal for me after the first months. I will ignore any more stupidity.
I take it that you decided that your personal liberty was more important than the lives of those around you.
No doubt carriers of the Plague were equally proud of themselves.
Bowf sidez
In my, um, skeptical opinion, most people cannot act rationally most of the time. And dramatic (at least as perceived) episodes make it impossible for some people to act rationally ever again. Remember how some people who lived through The Depression (the real one, in the 1930s) forever saved bits of string. Hell, I had an uncle who saved belt loops cut off of pants we otherwise wore out.
Now we can look forward to people essentially broken by the pandemic, or, more accurately, the panic propagated in the name of the pandemic. For decades, we will see people wearing masks and quickly scuttling away as we approach. A friend reports a neighbor who still will not leave her house, and leaves UPS packages on the front porch for 24 hours.
IMO, a more substantial affect is how hypersensitive and hyper-interventionist behavior supports a bigger trend toward propagation of the nanny state. I really do not care if some nut wears a mask while driving alone. But I despise snowflakes who push for social and legal restrictions on others.
Perhaps unfortunately for the predicted “Red Wave” in November, most people are ready to put the pandemic mandates in the rear view mirror. Fading, and out of sight out of mind, therefore less likely to influence one’s vote in November. Lower gas prices have same effect. GOP needs some new, hard hitting, and widely unpopular Dem issues [and the ads to explain same] if they intend to regain momentum going into the vote in six weeks.
Red Republican anti-vaxxers were shrieking against cowpox inoculations back when the ink was wet on their laws banning all forms of birth control–including books and letters from mom–from the postal monopoly. Recent struggles to outlaw medicine, revive facial collectivism and Make America Germanic Again are what one has every right to expect from desperate race-suicide prognosticators of phantasms and Demonic possession.
You’re very entertaining I’ll give you that, but do you just get a magic eight-ball made of words shake it then type what comes up?
Concentrate and try again.
American adults on average now on average read only to a grade 5 level.
Thank you for providing such a convincing example.
I demand more Comstock references!
“In my, um, skeptical opinion, most people cannot act rationally most of the time. ”
According to the survey, more than 70% of Americans believe in some form of the supernatural, whether it’s astrology, ghosts, divination, alien kidnapping etc.
. . . Keynesian economic theory, Marxism, CRT, etc.
Here is the gallup poll results:
Believe in
%
Extrasensory perception, or ESP
41
That houses can be haunted
37
Ghosts/that spirits of dead people can come back in certain places/situations
32
Telepathy/communication between minds without using traditional senses
31
Clairvoyance/the power of the mind to know the past and predict the future
26
Astrology, or that the position of the stars and planets can affect people’s lives
25
That people can communicate mentally with someone who has died
21
Witches
21
Reincarnation, that is, the rebirth of the soul in a new body after death
20
Channeling/allowing a ‘spirit-being’ to temporarily assume control of body
9
It’s not really surprising given the rise in emphasis given to the celebration of Halloween over the past few decades. Gallup didn’t include belief in god, homeopathy or adherence to heterodox political/economic systems.
Religionists are responsible for all of that.
Once you lie to yourself about the existence of the invisible sky fairy, lying to yourself about the existence of ghosts, and telepathy, and all of the rest just falls into place.
Of course there are ghosts. They are the spirits of the dead who haven’t gone to heaven or hell.
Of couse there are aliens. They are demons from hell.
Of course Donald Trump is Christ Reborn. It says so in the bible.
We don’t know how long this new normal will last, but the grimmest takeaway is that this all could have been foreseen by studying epidemics of the past. That we didn’t learn from previous crises suggests that officials may be allowed to repeat the same mistakes the next time they flex their public-health muscles.
If only there was a magazine that claimed to be libertarian who could have warned of all this. I guess it is too much to ask that reason accept some responsibility for spending all of 2020 cheering riots and defending lockdowns.
Reason will cheer anything that destroys government and promote Corporate Koch rule.
One of the saddest parts of the whole pandemic the fact that the fugazi libertarians of Reason initially were 100% in support of the lockdowns and all the other asinine restrictions that pretty much wrecked the economy for no particularly good reason. They desperately try to pretend now that they weren’t, but they were.
And of course to this day none of the fugazis has enough balls to admit that the bullshit mRNA vaccines don’t do anything at all and are one of the biggest scientific failures in the history of the big government/big pharma partnership. Nor are they even willing to admit that the virus came out that ChiCom lab as a result of the extremely risky, ill-advised research and experiments they were conducting.
Once a snowflake always a snowflake.
> pretty much wrecked the economy for no particularly good reason
“no particularly good reason” like preventing way more deaths?? the whole article presumes that things like erosions in social cohesion and increases in mental illness from the pandemic are SOLELY from lockdowns and covid mitigation strategies and not from the 1.05 MILLION fucking people that have choked out their last breaths on a hospital ventilator & the resulting psychological trauma from those deaths.
Ironically if there’d been no pandemic restrictions at all, there would’ve been WAY more dead, and the social disruption, economic harm and psychological trauma from dealing with all of that death would’ve been so much worse (intellectually dishonest fucks would still find a way to somehow blame Government, though)
You ideologically-blinkered fucks would still find a way to somehow blame Government, though. Selfish evil shitheads
How many of those 1.05 million were elderly or obese and would have died within a few years anyway?
“Ironically if there’d been no pandemic restrictions at all, there would’ve been WAY more dead, and the social disruption, economic harm and psychological trauma from dealing with all of that death would’ve been so much worse.”
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
You beat me to it. I’m fact, it appears the contrary is true.
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/comprehensive-research-finds-that-lockdowns-dont-work
FTA:
The researchers had this final conclusion:
“While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”
“How many of those 1.05 million were elderly or obese and would have died within a few years anyway?”
Somewhere in the ballpark of 96%. That was ALWAYS going to be the case- that elderly and sick people were going to die from the virus.
And evidence shows that lockdowns were useless. Even counter productive, considering the physical and mental health problems created by ongoing democrat abuses of emergency powers.
The steaming pile of lefty shit is not interested in facts or logic; if D’s support the lies, that’s enough.
How would there have been way more dead, can you please elaborate?
He cannot elaborate. The only evidence of his claim is that the death count was NOT 2 million.
Because.
Because intentions are all that matters?
We put people onto vents they didn’t need and killed them, then gave money to the hospitals that did it.
You ideologically-blinkered fucks would still find a way to somehow love Government, though. Selfish evil shitheads
FIFY
That’s a whole lot disingenuous bullshit to pack into one post. Well done.
Libertarian Americans hail the glory of 1 million dead citizens and demand more mass death.
Save the businesses, and Let millions of Americans die. It’s the Capitslist way.
Same amount of disingenuous bullshit, but points for brevity.
The very concept of public health was discredited.
What about the health of the public state?
MAGA is not of The Body! The Body is blessed!
Donald Trump – King of the MAGAts – is Christ Reborn in the form of the son of man.
It’s the expansion of public health that’s the problem.
Public health is like… safe drinking water. Don’t dump shit into the drinking water supply to stop Cholera epidemics.
It’s not a reason for massive intrusion on individual liberty for almost infinitesimal gain. It especially isn’t that when you don’t even bother to accurately measure and study the disease, the intrusion on liberty, the costs, and the gain or loss.
Somehow, from saying no shitting on the riverbank, we slid down the slippery slope to an unelected agency saying I can’t evict a non-paying renter because… public health?
If it wan’t for the nanny state public health system, no one would have died from covid.
It’s a Libertarian fact. Look it up.
“That we didn’t learn from previous crises suggests that officials may be allowed to repeat the same mistakes the next time they flex their public-health muscles.”
Like velociraptors testing the fence for weakness, the government learned.
Republicans have learned that it is best to take no steps to thwart a pandemic and best if Americans die by the tens of millions.
Freedumb demands it.
Fuck off, slaver.
Tuccille does superb work pointing to the facts of reality as she is, and examining the whys and wherefores. This has to cause extreme anxiety among mixed-economy myrmidons, and mobilize their best efforts to steer our reporter into prophesy. The people who predicted Hillary in 2016 and Trump in 2020 are hardly the sort of examples we need to emulate. The disasters they predict their defenestration will entail are easy slowballs, since both looter factions are alike.
Apparently printing trillions of fiat dollars because some greedy tribesmen on Wall Street demanded it wasn’t such a good idea, after all.
It’s been going on for at least 50 years (since the end of the gold standard).
Why not? You don’t believe that printing money causes inflation do you?
That is stupid talk.
Ronald Reagan printed several trillion 2022 dollars and broke the back of inflation.
Remember that?
So were Libertarians lying then when they supported the printing, or are they lying now when they oppose it?
Unfortunately, while government at all levels over-reacted to COVID, the Libertarian Party at all levels totally *under*-reacted, failing to take any sort of stand against the lockdowns, the rampant spending and the interference in all of our lives. Sadly, the Party is now engaging in a hideous course over-correction, veering off into the ditch and now trying to be Trumpier, more insulting, more vile and more hateful than even Trump and his minions.
I definitely agree with the first sentence above, there was an opportunity to have a spine and it wasn’t there.
>>as we suffer the lingering effects
of millions of wine moms finding their voice
this only happens because people allow it and want it. how many of the reason commenters wore a mask or got the mrna injections? if you did then you’re part of the problem. normal returns and this never happens again only when people stand up and say no. when you vote in nov do not vote for anyone who supported the lockdowns, mandates, masks or mrna. for me i never complied. never wore a mask and certainly never took their experimental drugs.
“how many of the reason commenters wore a mask or got the mrna injections?”
I think that masks will become much more commonly worn in the US without any necessary connection to the covid virus. They’re ubiquitous in East Asia and have been for decades. Even if they do nothing medically masks give wearers some psychological distance and measure of anonymity, valuable attributes in a society where surveillance and monitoring is growing increasingly ubiquitous.
“Even if they do nothing medically masks give wearers some psychological distance”
Because the backbone of a free and open society is a population of whiny snowflakes.
If you want to live among tough, resilient people, find yourself a poor, repressive regime. They will still be whiny, but lighter on the self entitlement you see in the whiners on this board.
and those people will all be leftists living in blue areas. there is a VERY strong correlation between mask wearing and leftism. i see it all the time.
“i see it all the time.”
Not surprising given your sources of news. Ever think about cutting back on your pro wrestling viewing?
Ever think that others might well have better sources than yours, steaming pile of lefty shit?
Ever think of cutting down on your CNN viewing? But that would require you to admit you are both stupid and smug about it.
you’re an idiot. i was talking about first hand experiences. when a said “see” i meant with my own eyeballs. i see the leftists with their masks on and i assume you’re one of them.
I don’t really care what you see. I’m telling you that regardless of medical efficacy, mask wearing will increasingly become the norm and won’t go away simply because a president announces the end of the pandemic. I understand you disapprove of the practice.
“i never complied. never wore a mask and certainly never took their experimental drugs.”
I see. So you have an IQ smaller than your hat size.
Thanks for telling us so that you can be ignored.
Has the Declaration of Dr. Andrew G. Huff, PhD, M.S. been discredited yet? I saw it for the first time yesterday and I can’t find coverage on it other than on a few fringe sites. It has been out over a week and no coverage by MSM and not even the usual ‘debunking’ has appeared. I found a reference to Huff’s story in February and then nothing until now.
If you peruse the document, skip to the end and read Huff’s declaration first. The first 3/4 is info put together by a lawyer representing Huff and is not nearly as cogent as what Huff himself wrote.
Huff was promoted to VP at EcoHealth Alliance and claims to have first hand knowledge and evidence that SARS-COV-2 came from the Wuhan lab and that Fauci and Daszak, among others, were lying about funding the research and the lab leak. If the claim can be verified, the scandal is truly epic.
even when the claim is verified there will be no epic scandal. there will be no accountability — ever.
Some people need to do some things to change that.
There are also emails between Fauci and Dr. Francis Collins (former head of the NIH) dating from January of 2020 that prove it beyond any sort of reasonable doubt, and the Senate has had these email correspondences in their possession since early this year.
Fauci is a stone cold, drop dead perjurer, and everyone in congress knows this and has known it for months now. That is a big part of the real reason why he’s “retiring” at the end of this year. And he had better hope like hell the republicans don’t take the senate, because if they do he will be exposed for what he is to the entire world with the goods in hand.
If the democrats do lose the senate, this will be a fun thing to look forward to.
Paul is promising to change the rules and force Fauci and his crew to disclose their royalty payments.
The discrediting comes only after it starts getting mainstream attention– or more specifically, can no longer be ignored by the mainstream.
Huff was promoted to VP at EcoHealth Alliance and claims to have first hand knowledge and evidence that SARS-COV-2 came from the Wuhan lab and that Fauci and Daszak, among others, were lying about funding the research and the lab leak
FYI, I’ve heard of this thing from Huff, and I haven’t looked at any of the documents or evidence… just hearing it through my normal back channels.
But based on the history of the well-established facts, I think few sober, intelligent people doubt that Fauci was funding Gain of Function. What could be considered “stealing a base” would be to say that Fauci was funding Gain of Function AAAAND that research was responsible for SARS-COV2.
I think even if the second part of that set of conclusions was True(tm), it would probably be hard to prove, and would probably be easy to throw up enough obfuscation and fog into the debate that it might ultimately be unprovable, at least legally.
I mean, especially when you have the NIH director waving his eyeglasses around and saying, “I mean, come on, what’s gain of function anyway, these eyeglasses are ‘gain of function’!”
Personally, the idea that he was funding ‘underground’ GoF research in a shoddy Chinese lab is enough for me. The cover-up is strike two AND three. After that, it doesn’t matter if he’s responsible for THIS PARTICULAR virus or not — he’s already guilty of the first two crimes.
Well, the Obama admin put a moratorium on research, so if he was back-channeling funding for GoF through NGOs and generic ‘funding’ (Hey, this safe injection site is funded by private donors) type of bullshit, then there should be some accountability on that alone.
“In spite of these draconian measures, the World Health Organization reports that as of September
9, 2022, there have been over 600 million cases of SARS-CoV-2 and over 6.4 million deaths
reported worldwide.”
And 1/6 of those deaths were in the Failed American state even though the U.S. comprises 1/26th of the worlds population.
Well done Libertarians… Well done…
Hahahahahahh……
We should definitely keep listening to all the people who were wrong instead of the people who actually dove into the data and said that covid wasn’t a crisis until we made it one.
One million dead Americas isn’t a crisis?
Wasn’t there a “threat to America” from Greneda when the U.S. decided to invade that little island?
Hahahahahahah….
Where are those Iraqi WMD again?
Hahahahahahah….
That has nothing to do with COVID and everything with putting people like Bush, Obama, Schwab, Gates, Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi in charge. COVID has just been a convenient excuse for these people. Progressives always find a cause to destroy liberties: climate change, pandemics, “the Jews”, cis-gendered hetero white males, etc.
“the Jews”, cis-gendered hetero white males, etc.
I resemble that remark.
destroying liberties and “the Jews”. I see you’ve met our resident stormfag.
You forgot the early days of Planned Parenthood, when the darkies were reproducing too rapidly.
Your demented comment is hilarious. Did you write it all yourself, John Boy?
I see that you are still denying the anti-Semitism and responsibility for eugenics and segregation by Democrats and progressives.
Learn some effing history.
Gee whiz; if only some of us started saying all this in late March of 2020. If only someone had seen something and said something. Remember that, Reason?
Meanwhile my kids’ idiot [previous] pediatrician is still requiring masks at her office.
The benefit of the pandemic is that is has exposed who the irrational emotionalists are.
3 times as many died of heart disease/cancer as from the Chinese Flu, yet we didn’t damage our society and economy trying to stop the spread of heart disease/cancer. “They” have lost our trust and faith. Can’t believe anything “they” say now. “They” have cried wolf too often. Next time there’s a national calamity, and there will always be a next time, “they” are likely to find nobody believes them and nobody will comply with their bullshit measures.
“yet we didn’t damage our society and economy trying to stop the spread of heart disease/cancer. ”
Neither are viruses. Neither can be transmitted.
“They” have cried wolf too often. Next time there’s a national calamity, and there will always be a next time, “they” are likely to find nobody believes them and nobody will comply with their bullshit measures.”
You need to review your parables. The wolf eventually appears and with fatal results.
“You need to review your parables. The wolf eventually appears and with fatal results.”
Whoosh!
But it is the stupid and smug trueman, so no one is surprised.
I see, so we can conclude that an American enemy can kill 3 million Americans before Libertarians will demand a response.
Just let them die. They aren’t me so it’s ok.
““They” have lost our trust and faith.”
Excellent. There is no better way to destroy a nation than for it’s people to lose faith in reason.