Marco Rubio, Who Last Month Said Abortion Regulation Should Be Left to the States, Endorses a Federal Ban
The senator's avowed devotion to federalism is no match for his political ambitions.

Many Republicans were dismayed by the federal abortion ban that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) unveiled this week, viewing it as politically unwise and constitutionally suspect. But yesterday Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.), who is running for reelection this year, announced that he is co-sponsoring Graham's bill, which would prohibit abortion at 15 weeks of gestation or later. Rubio's support for the bill blatantly contradicts the position he was taking just a few weeks ago, when he said abortion regulation should be left to the states, and his avowed support for federalism more generally.
During an interview with CBS Miami's Jim DeFede in late August, Rubio explained the significance of the Supreme Court's June 24 ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. "All the Supreme Court has said is that now that debate is not going to happen in Washington, where it wasn't happening at all because of Roe v. Wade," Rubio said. "Now that decision has to be made at the state level. And the state legislature will weigh in. Florida has an abortion law; it cuts it off at 15 weeks. Every state will have its own law."
When DeFede specifically asked Rubio whether he would "support a federal ban on abortion," the senator reiterated his support for a state-by-state resolution of the issue, although he hedged a bit. "I think that right now, this issue is appropriately before the states," he said. "That's where it always should have been, that's where it is now, and I think that's where it will be for the foreseeable future. We don't have the votes now or anytime in the near future for that, and frankly, I think this issue is better decided at the state level at this point, because as I see it playing out, every state will now—people will have more influence over their state legislature than they do over Congress and certainly over the Supreme Court."
Although Rubio's reference to the lack of congressional support for an abortion ban suggested that his devotion to federalism might be politically contingent, he made it clear that he did not favor such legislation "at this point" or "anytime in the near future." That was less than three weeks ago.
What changed? Not the Constitution, which does not give Congress the authority to regulate abortion or any other medical procedure. Not the Commerce Clause, which Graham cites as a justification for his bill based on an interpretation broad enough to obliterate the constitutional distinction between state and federal powers. Not even the prospects of winning Senate approval for an abortion ban, which are just as dim now as they were when Rubio sat down for that interview. The only thing that has changed is Rubio's calculation of whether backing a federal abortion ban will, on balance, make him more or less attractive to voters in November.
Democrats think that issue will help them by reminding moderates of "extreme MAGA Republicans' intent to criminalize women's health freedom in all 50 states and arrest doctors for providing basic care," as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) puts it. But Rubio thinks he can make Democrats—and in particular, his Senate opponent, Rep. Val Demings (D–Fla.)—look extreme by showing that they oppose even relatively modest restrictions like a 15-week ban, which would cover a small share of abortions (less than 8 percent, judging from federal data).
"I've always been pro-life," Rubio told reporters when he was asked about Graham's bill. "You need to be asking Democrats what restrictions they support…Democrats won't vote for any restriction of any kind on abortion."
While Rubio may be consistent in his opposition to abortion, he is utterly unreliable as a defender of constitutional principles that he claims to care about. "The majority of Americans believe that the federal government shouldn't be involved in everything," he said during a 2020 discussion sponsored by American Compass. While "there are some important things the federal government has to do, like protect us from foreign countries that seek to do us harm," he explained, "the core of conservatism for a long time" has been "limited government and federalism, the notion that it's at your local and state level, where to the extent government needs to be involved, it should be involved and be more effective."
Desperate to remain in power, Rubio has blithely jettisoned that "core of conservatism." He has gone from saying "that decision has to be made at the state level" and "every state will have its own law" to arguing that the decision should be made at the federal level, overriding the choices that states have made. Rubio is betraying his avowed principles not to protect "unborn children" (since Graham's bill has zero chance of passing) but simply to enhance his electoral prospects.
That is completely in character for Rubio, whose scruples are no match for his blind ambition. While running for the 2016 Republican nomination, Rubio said Donald Trump's "reckless and dangerous" rhetoric was reminiscent of "third-world strongmen." He castigated Trump for using "language that basically justifies physically assaulting people who disagree with you." He condemned Trump as a "con artist" and "the most vulgar person ever to aspire to the presidency," warning that his nomination would "shatter and fracture the Republican Party and the conservative movement."
That evaluation did not stop Rubio from endorsing Trump as the Republican nominee in 2016, when the senator suddenly decided that the "con artist" could be trusted to "curb spending" and "get our national debt under control." This year, after Trump endorsed Rubio's reelection, the senator had only nice things to say about the former president, notwithstanding his increasingly erratic and alarming behavior while in office, culminating in his refusal to accept the outcome of the 2020 election, which led to a violent assault on Rubio's workplace. "He's brought a lot of people and energy into the Republican Party," Rubio told CNN.
Back in 2016, Rubio warned that "we're on the verge of having someone take over the conservative movement who is a con artist." In other words, Trump's embrace of conservative principles was cynical and untrustworthy, based on political calculation rather than sincere belief. While Rubio was dismayed that voters did not see through that sort of pretense, he is counting on them to ignore it this fall.
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I guess the republicans want to lose the midterms.
He's up for reelection, and one might suspect now is the time when he has to actually suck up to his conservative voters and damn the consequences for the national party.
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I’m convinced at juncture, the establishment GOP is trying to lose. November should have been a slam dunk. They know this.
LOL, they are playing it safe. The conventional wisdom in primaries where you have a lead is: First, do no harm. They think the larger trends are going to give them the victories they want, but, they are also covering their bases by attempting to switch the onus for abortion radicalism to the other side.
It's much easier to be the scrappy underdog and complain about the people in charge than to actually hold the levers of power and be responsible for the consequences.
That's the GOP's MO. We saw it with all their symbolic Obamacare repeal "efforts." Then when they had the chance to act on their promises, controlling both the White House and the legislature, they couldn't get it done. Democrats act like the ruling party whether they hold power or not. Republicans bitch and moan like the losing minority even while they're running the show.
Sounds gay. They are doing this because they want the dems to shoot it down. Then, they will say: Look, dems are baby killers who want to butcher children.
It's a stupid idea and it's def gay.
Rubio just provides more evidence he's an untrustworthy RINO.
Here his position is federal control, over arguably one of the unenumerated rights retained by the people as stated in the 9th amendment, or that should be left to the states or people per the 10th amendment. Rubio's authoritarian impulse is anti-libertarian which is another reason I don't like him. Just a lying RINO.
One should not weight politics against the life of a person.
Lincoln hated slavery but he never let blind extremism stampede him one way or the other.
Well, they aren't the Stoopid Party for nothing, I guess.
I always knew Graham was a perfidious nut job, but Rubio has equally fucked up. I truly wonder if their goal is to destroy their party utterly.
Graham has me wondering. He very clearly noped on Trump before he changed his mind to avoid a lynching. He's obviously not some religious nutjob. I mean, let's be honest, he's a daiquiri-slurping queen.
I usually insist on not attributing to calculation what is better explained by stupidity, but maybe this is his revenge.
Some states are essentially banning abortion outright. What Graham's law would do is legalize abortion nationally and regulate it in every state to average European timeframes.
It's surreptitiously doing the Democrats business for them, while Dem pols get to posture and act like late-term abortion nationally is still a possibility. He and Rubio aren't called RINOs for nothing.
What Graham's law would do is legalize abortion nationally and regulate it in every state to average European timeframes.
Here's another person who is repeating this lie that Graham's legislation would guarantee a federal right to an abortion up until 15 weeks. It's just not true. In Graham's own words:
From the text of the actual legislation:
So Graham's legislation sets a national ceiling for legal abortions. It does not set a national floor for legal abortions. States would still be free to completely ban abortions.
Which right-wing source is telling you these lies that are so easily refuted?
Oh I think I might know what is going on.
I think this agitprop is coming from some Team Trump source.
Because recently Graham was out in the forefront criticizing Trump when he proposed pardoning the Jan. 6 rioters if he were elected.
And so now the Trump fanbois are going to trash and deliberately spread lies about Graham for crossing Dear Leader Trump.
So, which Trumpbot is spreading this lie?
Did you forget to switch socks before responding to yourself?
You know who else said abortion regulation should be left up to the states?
6 Supreme Court justices?
Jesus?
Reference? Jesus said the 'unborn' is Caesars territory?
I think UR diluted.
Buck-passers?
Poor lil Marco.
Either these Republicans are dumb AF or they are trying to lose in November.
Yes.
It's the dance of large constituencies. You have to play to certain aspects of the base for a while for the energy in the campaign then hopefully pivot back to the center and ride that good campaign energy into office with the uninformed larger populace.
Yeah, this is idiotic.
Rubio is dumb AF. Graham is more likely up to no good.
Remember the last odd article about Rubio?
Remember how we speculated that it was part of some national DNC push to get negative stories out about Rubio? It was weird... A bipartisan story written only as a hit piece on Rubio.
Now, just 2 days later, another entire piece about Rubio.
Does Reason do sponsored content?
Do we have Journo-list accolytes on staff?
Is Koch driving the bus?
Why all the obvious Rubio hit pieces? This is a national magazine. A libertarian magazine. There are 35 senators, 435 congressmen, 36 governors standing for election.
So why the Rubio obsession? It sure looks like the fact that the DNC has labeled him a top target is the motivating factor.
It obviously is not libertarian issues. Dude is an establishment Republican. Not a libertarian, but better on liberty than 90% of today's Democrats. Certainly much better than his opponent. She combines race huxtorism, progressivism and law enforcement in one package.
Oddly... Not one mention of the alternative?
Write the real story:. Who assigned this. Who decided this was worthy of a story? (It really isn't even worthy of a line in the links). Who sent the package over? How? Was it just a link on the slack from a pro choice buddy? Or is this from a think tank that decides what stories need to be covered?
Where is the journalist at Reason.
One politician saying for or against one bill isn't news. But the mechanism for controlling even fringe sites like reason to provide a coherent national political narrative for your team is a huge story. An important story for liberty minded folks.
On a similar note, can I sue for the whiplash caused by the statement: the bill blatantly contradicts the position he was taking just a few weeks ago, when he said abortion regulation should be left to the states?
Three months ago Roe was the law of the land and Republicans were going against the long-settled and widely popular stance on abortion. Now, somehow, going *back* to a single national policy on abortion is Constitutionally unfathomable?
Rubio's opinion is only contradictory if you assume abortion up to and even including murder is legal under federal law. Otherwise, the FedGov has to stop sanctioning it at some point and leave it up to the states to decide where. Whether that point is 15 weeks or 36 weeks doesn't effectively change the legal logic.
This isn't to defend Rubio's position, I don't exactly agree with it. But Reason's uninformed, whiplash-inducing tail spinning is neither better policy, real criticism, nor really productive to their own cause. As in, I'm not sure that Reason wouldn't endorse Rubio and Graham if they legislatively legalized and funded medicinal abortion, and only medicinal abortion (effectively outlawing abortion after 10 weeks), in all 50 states.
the long-settled and widely popular stance on abortion
Not just a long-standing and widely popular stance, near Super-precedent even!
"Who assigned this. Who decided this was worthy of a story? "
I don't think this is a conspiracy so much as the fact that Sullum, Soave and ENB just spend all day in their blue-check twitteratti bubbles. Day in, Day out, the stories popping up on their feed are driven by Democrat strategists. And so they often find themselves commenting on those democratic narratives.
Rubio is doing something stupid here. But there are dozens of stupid congress critters to contend with. The reason Rubio is singled out is that it is he who Sullum sees mentioned in his social media.
Here is a perfect test. Reason has pretty much been dead silent about the whole "Immigrant Busing" controversy. There (to my knowledge) have been two articles way back in the summer when these plans were first floated by Republicans, where they said it was a (paraphrasing) "waste of budget that potentially violates federal law."
This has been going on for months, but Reason really doesn't want to talk about it, despite the fact that Fiona Harrigan writes 2-3 immigration screeds a week. Many leftist mayors are wailing that they cannot handle the tens or hundreds of immigrants showing up in their city.
Meanwhile, on the Twittersphere, liberals are thrashing about constantly to figure out an effective rhetorical response to this issue.
I guarantee you that point ENB will wake up one morning, and see 50 retweets among her bluecheck twitteratti of some sick rhetorical burn, or scholarly analysis, or whatever and then finally comment on this issue. Not because she is part of a conspiracy, but because she is lazy and the messy situation right now isn't easy to stand for or against without some logic. So much easier for her to wait for the cream to rise to the top.
I think you're spot on that the Reasonistas are more lazy and insular than corrupt, but I also still think we see a few brown-envelope jobs now and then.
Sullum's 165 articles in three months on Trump's election challenges, the half dozen "Sex worker 'Aella'" stories and some of the Justin Amash stuff seemed sponsored.
Then write the article!
Explain how the sausage is made. What tweet. By who? Who read it? Who decided it was worth writing reason article about it?
We need receipts.
We are living in a post-post-watergate world. After Watergate, exposing corruption made your career.
But now? Every major news organization save one refused go engage on the Biden Ukraine bribery scandal (with the contents of the laptop being the final nail in that coffin)
That was not "because Twitter ".
Zero chance that every news organization just felt the same. Zero chance that not one reporter at any paper didn't want to make a name for themselves running that story down. Yet?
Not even Reason touched it.
A once in a lifetime story. Woodward and Bernstein.
Not one outlet ran with it.
That ain't Twitter groupthink.
That is a huge shift in the fabric of the nation.
Not sure if any reason reporters are on the j list, the most extensive list I found only has 150 of the more than 400 people, but if ENB didn't link to people ong the j list the roundup would not have any links
>>Do we have Journo-list accolytes on staff?
I'll take this one.
Title: Marco Rubio......Endorses a Federal Ban
Facts: Marco Rubio .......would prohibit abortion at 15 weeks or later
Jacob Sullum: Rubio's support for the bill blatantly contradicts
Reason Commenters: Reason has run in excess of 15 weeks or later and should be aborted.
Rationale: Ending life is never justified
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
UR support Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.
Face it.. Pro-Life isn't lobbying to stop doctors from *intentionally* killing a fetus. They are lobbying to FORCE women to reproduce.
Ah yes, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio raise their voices. The Establishment GOP sabotages the election to keep the MAGA GOP from taking control.
You didn't think this stupid crap is being done out of principle did you?
we're so mad about T we're going to implode the party top down.
So tired of hearing about abortions.
I'm sick of Aborto-Freaks, wokes, trannies, and banning gay kissing.
And HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP!
And the Con Man most of all.
"I'm sick of Aborto-Freaks"
Are those the guys that want to tear apart near full-term babies with bladed vacuums, or the ones who don't?
Are those the ones who want to force women to take to term fetuses which will die within minutes of birth so that it doesn't hurt their religious fee fees or the ones that don't?
Tell me you are unclear about the legislation without saying you're unclear on the legislation.
Odd how 90% of the time "religion" is dragged into abortion discussions, it's by the pro-abort side.
You’re also sick of all the people trying to prevent child grooming.
Oh Lil' Taco, you so want to be a GOP Kewl Kid.
But they don't like you. They been TRUMPI-FRIED!
Repurposing a sarcasmic post:
Are these comments saying that a republican is bad? It can't be. Sarcasmic told me the comments are run by righty rightwingers who vote for right wingers because that's what righty rightwinders do. This comment section can't exist. It defies the narrative. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Needs moar drunkenness.
Yeah, I could totally tell Super Scary wasn't shitfaced. Unrealistic.
It's worse than that, they're just criticizing righty rightwing leaders just for being righty rightwing leaders rather than discussing the divisions within the party(ies) or the actual issues. Fuckin' teams, I tell ya man!
But he's still right.
Very few in this discussion are criticizing Rubio *on the ideological position* of wanting to ban abortion.
The criticism, mainly, is regarding the strategic wisdom of his proposal as it relates to the midterm elections.
So the criticism of Rubio here, mainly, is that he might undermine Team Red's ability to win the midterm elections. Because these same "Republican critics" WANT TEAM RED TO WIN. The criticism here isn't because they don't like Team Red's ideology. It is because they don't like Team Red's tactics. Very different.
This comment section, mainly, is entirely consistent with the narrative that most of the posters here claiming to be libertarians, are in fact people who cheer for Team Red either because they hate Team Blue, or because they are actually footsoldiers for Team Red (e.g. Jesse). Very very rarely do we see mass condemnation of anyone on Team Red on its own, without massing heaping doses of whataboutism and "BUT TEAM BLUE IS WORSE".
"Very few in this discussion are criticizing Rubio *on the ideological position* of wanting to ban abortion."
Why would I?
1. Fifteen weeks isn't "banning" abortion. It's approximately where 95% of the countries who have legalized abortion sit. Give or take a week.
2. I want to ban abortion in every case outside of life saving medical necessity. I want abortionists and abortionees treated like any other murderers under the law. I'm not going to criticize someone who wants that. But that's not Rubio.
"So the criticism of Rubio here, mainly, is that he might undermine Team Red's ability to win the midterm elections."
What horseshit. The criticism here is that Rubio and Graham are trying to override state bans and legalize abortion nationally, when everyone but you fifty-centers agree it's the states' business and not the feds.
Pointing out that the timing is also retarded, isn't a criticism but just an observation that practically everyone can agree on.
Why would I?
I wouldn't expect you to, because you're a social conservative not a libertarian, along with a great number of posters here. Which is my point.
Fifteen weeks isn't "banning" abortion.
Semantic nonsense is semantic nonsense. If this bill passed, would the bill prohibit some abortions that are currently legal? Yes or no? If yes, than the bill can fairly be called a "ban" on those abortions that would be criminalized.
The criticism here is that Rubio and Graham are trying to override state bans and legalize abortion nationally
Not only is this statement a lie, I wasn't aware that you now speak for everyone here who is critical of Rubio.
Limiting and eliminating abortion are good things. But The Hobbs decision was very clear, and the ongoing abuse of the commerce clause is wrong too. I expect constitutional abuses from democrats. Republicans are supposed to know better.
Very few in this discussion are criticizing Rubio *on the ideological position* of wanting to ban abortion.
You mean the forum where abortion has been discussed to the point that the joke about it being ad nauseum itself became an ad nauseum because it was used every time the discussion started again when ENB posts about either sex work or abortion like her livelihood depends on it and everyone starts discussing it again until the conversation dies down just enough for someone to leak a SCOTUS opinion for it to start back up again when ENB posts about it, only to die down before the actual Dobbs decision starts it back up because ENB posts about that too, only to die down until Lindsey Fucking Graham and Marco Rubio say stupid shit about abortion?
You're saying that forum hasn't discussed any/all ideological positions on abortion? I don't think you know how to read.
What's with the dishonesty in calling a 15 week regulation a ban? Book bans and now this shit.
What the fuck.
Degradation of the English language.
Propagation of the narrative.
They're leftists painting their enemy in the worst light possible.
At least they haven't done a Godwin...in *this* article.
*Trying* to paint their enemy in the worst possible light while simultaneously projecting themselves in the dark, steeped in red, flanked by soldiers.
At some point - maybe after the economy improves, if it does - someone's going to have to deal with abortion. As a great philosopher once said, even if they choose not to decide, they'll still have made a choice.
The Dems are (sincerely, I think) all for "abortion rights," while the Reps (*some* of them sincerely) are prolife. In this great moral argument, while the Dems are all in for abortions for all, the Reps want to say, "never mind our previous rhetoric, all we want to do is punt the issue to the states."
We'll see how that affects the voters.
What this bill would actually do is guarantee a right to abortion through 15 weeks gestation. Any state that has or will pass legislation that is more restrictive would be over ruled which most people seem cool with. Kinda codifies a Roe version of abortion just like the Democrats claim they want except for preventing states from legalizing late term abortion, which apparently most people are cool with. Reason regurgitates the media spin that this bill is an an abortion ban. It is in fact the opposite. It creates a first trimester right to abortion that the states would be unable to challenge while preventing late term abortions. It is a straightforward compromise that seems to have majority support, if we can believe the polling.
Having said all of that, I don't support federal regulation of abortion whether by the courts or the congress. let the states figure it out and let the people vote with their feet if they care enough. I don't know much about Rubio but I'm not convinced that this article proves his cynicism.
No, this is not correct. It permits states to have more restrictive abortion laws but not more liberal ones.
And focusing on late-term abortion proves that these religious nutjobs don't know what they're talking about. They're believing their own propaganda. And I know the talking point: "Democrats want abortion up to the moment of birth." Complete with mustache-twirling.
But of course late-term abortions are those that are most medically necessary. Such a ban dooms women to follow through on those pregnancies that are most likely to kill them and any baby there might be.
You know, except for the carve outs for those specific issues in the bill itself...
Only in todays political climate could 'allow' be interpreted as 'ban'.
Only in your diseased mind could using the United States federal government to decide when individuals are allowed to reproduce be considered constituent of "individual liberty."
Four states had democrats pass laws that allow abortion post birth. So it’s more than just a talking point.
Don't know who's in the grey boxes below but I know you're assholes. That's why I muted you. In future don't waste your time replying to my posts. It's just a tragic waste of pixels.
Funny because I never mute anyone. I'm not afraid of reading opinions that differ from my own. That must mean I'm a better person than you?
No grasshopper, you are not.
"That must mean I'm a better person than you?"
For that to be even slightly true it would mean that Gaear is a truly vile person. A real stain on humanity.
No, you’re narcissistic sociopath, and an advocate for child grooming. You’re also a Marxist. So no, you’re not a good person.
What this bill would actually do is guarantee a right to abortion through 15 weeks gestation. Any state that has or will pass legislation that is more restrictive would be over ruled which most people seem cool with.
This is a lie, and easily proved to be a lie.
https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=8F99177C-2BD3-44CA-9D7F-E86AA1A25BF9
So no, Graham's bill (that Rubio now endorses) would not "guarantee a right to abortion through 15 weeks gestation." All one has to do is go to Graham's own words to figure this out.
What I want to know is, which right-wing source told you this lie, that you uncritically repeated? And in the future, are you going to remember that this source lied to you, and be more skeptical of what they say?
As usual, you’re threadshitting over an unimportant tangent. Typical Pedo Jeffy.
Enough already with this pretense that federalism has virtues. Even the original champions of federalism wouldn't have objected if slavery were legal on a national scale. Federalism is a consolation prize, an incoherent premise used to justify maintaining terrible policy at least in some places while the country as a whole rejects it.
The only government that's ever been a real threat to my freedom is my state government. What is the logic anyway? Local familiarity? "Here in North Bumfucksville, we politicians are friendly with our neighbors, and our neighbors all love women being forced to shit out our rape babies against their will. Don't presume to tell us what we like, feds!"
Did you ever consider moving? Like, to Mars?
Don't be ridiculous. The plan is to convince all the Christians that Mars is actually the promised land, and hey, there's a guy with a spaceship. Two birds, one stone.
If you guys start packing people into freight cars and internment camps again like you did in the 40's, you're going to get your asses kicked.
Because more people are Christians than aren't, and most of the ones who aren't will sympathize with them over Gaia-worshiping, child-castrating Wokies like you.
Maybe you should just kill yourself.
Tony might actually have to do productive work on Mars.
"...premise used to justify maintaining terrible policy at least in some places while the country as a whole rejects it."
But please, tell us more about how majoritarianism should crush all minorities while you're currently living as a gay man in a majority heterosexual culture. I'm quite certain federalism has never done anything for you in particular...
But federalism *does* have virtues, as well as weaknesses. One example of its virtue, from a left-wing perspective, is California having the sovereign authority to ban the sale of internal combustion engine cars. Such a ban could not possibly happen on a national level, not even if Bernie was president, at least not in the foreseeable future. And, if you believe the climate hysteria, by the time public opinion has shifted to the idea that maybe fossil fuel cars should be banned, then it will be too late for the climate. Right?
But federalism also has its weaknesses, such as your very valid complaint that taken too far, federalism can permit local jurisdictions to become local tyrannies. And I think this is one important distinction between libertarians and your typical "Constitutional conservative". The conservative will defend federalism because that's what the Constitution establishes, and that it should remain due to an appeal to tradition. The libertarian IMO understands that what is most important here is not the Constitution, not tradition, but liberty. When federalism gets in the way of liberty, then federalism should yield. After all it was Lysander Spooner who wrote, “But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” No constitutional conservative would endorse that position.
Still hating the USA I see...
You leftards are so openly treasonous to the USA what RU doing here?
Hopefully leaving soon.
Can anyone explain how Congress has any more subject matter jurisdiction over abortion than it has over assault weapons?
Poor Jacob, he's so used to his pro-baby murder position being reflexively upheld he cannot handle any restrictions on his moloch sacrifices. Sorry, the right to murder is not unlimited, this is just common sense abortion control.
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
UR supporting Gov-Gun FORCED reproduction.
But don't let the obvious stop your B.S. Power-Mad propaganda (i.e. B.S.)
"this is just common sense abortion control"
Yes, unconstitutional common sense abortion control; unless you buy in to the idea that the commerce clause gives congress unlimited power.
Then introduce that legislation at the state level, unless you want SCOTUS to strike it down, citing the Dobbs decision as precedent.
As the point of the article... It was never about State vs Federal...
It's always been about GOVERNMENT getting the POWER to make PERSONAL decisions. (i.e. [WE] mob RULES!)
I really dont get this move. It seems like a poor decision no matter how you look at it. Issues:...
Obviously can't pass with current congressional makeup, and likely wouldn't pass without ending filibuster even with a majority
Puts a big spotlight back on abortion, which is potentially the only thing dems might be energized about to come and vote on. Also I think people were finally starting to get tired of talking about it on a many-times-daily basis.
Even if there is just a show vote, who would care? Everyone already knows the dems are for no questions asked, unlimited abortion. That is literally why they questioned Dobbs at all, they couldnt stand to have ANY limits on their precious baby murders. Having them officially sign on to this position does almost nothing to hurt them politically, almost all of them proudly wear it on their sleeve next to their pride rainbow.
Reminder: this spotlight is at a time <2 months before mid terms, when the "inflation reduction act" is being released at a time coinciding with inflation=still bad, and we have a new metric that its doing worse than anticipated. You know inflation, that thing that is actually the winning message. That you just walked all over by putting the bat signal back on abortion.
While I know there are many R's out there (Pence) that would like a nationwide abortion ban, I have heard quite a few arguments from conservatives (and honestly agree) that if the SCOTUS decision is that this isnt a right granted in the constitution, leaving it up to the states, then by that reasoning you would need to actually have a constitutional amendment to enshrine it as a right (or to ban it), since congress passing a national law would run into the same issue that the SCOTUS just ruled...that its not something the federal govt specifically has business dealing with per the constitution as it is. The fight forever has been to keep this as an issue left up to the states. The result of that fight wasn't that abortion was banned, it was that the fed govt has no business in it. And that was a good result.
I just dont get this decision by Graham and whoever else thought this was a good idea. Dont know what kind of chess they are playing here, but its clearly beyond my skill level. Id guess he was trying to become a democratic hero ala Liz Cheney, by sinking the R's in the mid terms, but it would be hard to become their hero WHILE trying to take their abortions away. Just none of it makes sense.
A national abortion ban would be the perfect vehicle to overrule Wickard v. Filburn.
Is this suppose to be a surprise?
Government has a running record of F'En everything up they get POWER to do...
And Dobb's threw out Individual Rights and handed them over to the Government.
Dobbs took one bit of power away from the federal government and handed it back to the states. Not all claimed individual rights are natural or implicit in the Constitution, regardless of what previous Courts had ruled. "Abortion is not a federally protected act" is all the decision says.
"Dobbs took one bit of power away from the federal government"
That's a Blatant LIE...
Roe v Wade forbid both Federal and State from interfering.
And it wasn't "federally" protected it was protected by the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by a Republican Supreme Court of the 70s.
The correct way to say it...
Dobbs took Individual Liberty of the U.S. Constitution away from the people and gave that POWER to the States.
Specifically
Amendment IV: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons"
Amendment 13: "Neither slavery nor *involuntary servitude*, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
I like how all restrictions are lumped together as “bans”.
Straight out of the state media/regime memo. It's not an abortion ban, it's a proposal to ban abortion after fifteen weeks, but facts do not matter to shills like sullum.
If it makes you feel any better, "restriction" isn't going to sell with women voters any better than "ban."
You're kind of talking about their bodies.
Only Democrats pass restrictions and protections. Republicans pass bans and prohibitions.
Duh.
Stop lying. Nobody is "endorsing a federal ban".
But Democrats have been pushing for an abortion-until-birth bill, so Republicans are proposing a reasonable 15 week compromise as an alternative.
And Reason editors run around with their hair on fire.
Literally everything you say is a lie.
I occasionally get things wrong, but I never lie, Tony. You are welcome to correct me with facts.
And you don't lie either: you really are as ignorant and stupid as you appear to be.
I support a federal ban and Constitutional amendment to ban all abortion in the United States from conception on. I am one of millions. Only in actual cases where the mother's physical life is at stake (ectopic abortion for example) would their be an exception.
Abortion is a type of eugenics, the willful killing of human beings supported by wicked people who have no fear of God or respect for human life. Self-defense is the ONLY valid reason for aborting a baby. All human life is sacred before God and those who think otherwise are murderers and will lose their eternal souls for going along with abortion.
How nice for you, but you are in a small minority. Americans as a whole believe that there is a middle ground here. Saying that abortion should be legal until, say, 15 weeks, doesn't mean that people don't consider it a killing of a human being. But the fact is that we do not outlaw all killings of human beings.
You need to look up the definition of "eugenics" because you don't seem to know what it means.
As for "wicked killings", the US government kills large numbers of people with impunity around the world. Your concern for human life is touching but rather selective.
So why do you need the US government to step in? Does that also apply to the conservative voters who supported murderers like McCain, Bush, and Cheney?
"relatively modest restrictions like a 15-week ban"
15 weeks is 3 1/2 months for killing the unborn. This is hardly a ban on abortion or protecting the unborn. This is a state legalizing the abortion of a human baby for no good reason, no due process of law, just a death sentence of a human being by its own depraved mother. This is wickedness and murder authorized by the State legislature and the people of that state, putting the blood of every single slaughtered baby on all of their hands.
All this death to appease the death cult of of wicked men and women who treat human life as if it is nothing? Everyone supporting this will pay with their souls in eternity, as there is no murderer who has eternal life.
Christianity requires us to personally lead a moral life, follow the Ten Commandments, and to spread the word and moral teachings to others. Nowhere in Christianity does it say "Thou shalt give 50% to Caesar so that Caesar can send armed goons after abortionists and their customers halfway across the empire."
I don't know what kind of religion you think you follow, but it is clearly not Christianity.
I'm convinced by Matt Walsh's take. This proposed legislation, right before the midterms, can only be a deliberate act of sabotage. Graham is a neocon hack, but he isn't politically inexperienced, and he isn't stupid enough not to know he's writing the Democrats' election talking points for them. Rubio, well, might actually be that stupid.
2/3 of republicans are controlled opposition.
Miss Lindsey and hair-piece are the notorious members.
Say what you will about democrats but at least everyone toes the line when it matters.
at least everyone toes (sic) the line when it matters.
Everyone is towing the line as to screaming that their wages and savings are getting pummeled due to Biden's inflation
Americans: It's the economy stupid!
Leftists: Abortions for all!
Wait, why (sic) toe the line? That's the phrase...Isn't it?
Though I have been partial to "tow the lion"
Yes, toe is correct.
It’s a boot camp phrase.
You have bunks and at the end you stand on a line. Think full metal jacket.
worst sex position ever
It’s a shame they don’t get executed.