The U.N. Tells the E.U. That Green Energy Goals Are Worth Freezing to Death Over
Europe is facing an energy crisis, but bureaucrats need to realize that long-term climate goals can be addressed without sacrificing the well-being of the population.

A United Nations (U.N.) commissioner said this week that the long-term climate crisis is more important than Europe's immediate energy needs.
As part of ongoing efforts to mitigate the effects of climate change, the European Union (E.U.) adopted plans intended to lower the continent's reliance on carbon-producing energy. "The fossil fuel economy has reached its limits," Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the E.U.'s executive body, declared last year.
Under its current framework, by the end of the decade, the E.U. seeks to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 55 percent from what they were in 1990. It further pledges to make the continent carbon neutral by 2050. To achieve these goals, the E.U. has mandated that countries make certain changes. In June, it passed a resolution that would ban all sales of cars with internal combustion engines by 2035. Many nations have also been phasing out coal-fired power plants that produce a disproportionate amount of global carbon emissions.
But Europe is currently in dire straits: Germany, its largest economy, traditionally derived more than a quarter of its electricity from natural gas, and more than half of its natural gas came from Russia through the Nord Stream pipeline. Russia provides about 40 percent of the entire continent's natural gas. Earlier this month, amid continued sanctions over its war against Ukraine, Russia announced that it had shut off the pipeline indefinitely. Germany had already begun to wean itself off of Russian fuel, but as of late June still relied on the Kremlin for about a quarter of its natural gas, specifically the portion used to heat more than a third of German homes.
Now, in the face of potential energy rationing, the E.U. and European governments are spending at least 50 billion euros ($50 billion) on imports of coal and natural gas, and reactivating shuttered coal plants. Virginijus Sinkevičius, an E.U. environmental commissioner, said the organization is still committed to overall carbon neutrality by 2050, and the brief return to carbon-emitting power options is merely temporary: "It is important to combine use of coal as a last possible alternative with a speeding up of energy efficiency projects and development of renewables."
Not everybody agrees: In a statement to the U.N.'s Human Rights Council, Nada Al-Nashif, the Acting High Commissioner for Human Rights, gave an update on human rights concerns around the world. She mentioned ongoing hostilities in countries like Libya and Ethiopia, as well as potentially positive developments in certain other nations.
While it would be unfair to criticize Al-Nashif for leaving out any particular global crisis on a planet of nearly 7 billion—for example, only briefly mentioning China's ongoing subjugation of Uyghur Muslims—she did dedicate several sentences to European energy policy.
"In the face of soaring energy prices which threaten to impact the most vulnerable as winter approaches, some EU member States are turning to investments in fossil fuels infrastructure and supplies. While that impulse is understandable, I urge the EU and its member States to consider the long-term consequences of locking in more fossil fuel infrastructure. It is essential to accelerate the development of energy efficiency projects and renewables. There is no room for backtracking in the face of the ongoing climate crisis."
Lowering carbon emissions is a noble and necessary goal, but Al-Nashif's message rings paternalistic. While agreeing that a choice between sky-high energy prices and potentially freezing to death in your home would "threaten to impact the most vulnerable," she nonetheless cautions against any solution that may involve coal or gas.
The inconvenient truth is that Europe doesn't have better options. Last month, Germany announced that it would keep its last three nuclear power plants open instead of shuttering them as planned. This would achieve both goals, by preserving a carbon-free energy source, but those three plants alone only account for about 5 percent of Germany's total energy usage, not nearly enough to replace the amount lost from Russia. Notably, Germany closed 14 other nuclear plants in the years since the 2011 Fukushima meltdowns.
Now, as European nations face an energy crisis, bureaucrats in Brussels are encouraging moderation in their response. Really, they should be throwing the kitchen sink at the problem. Long-term climate goals can be addressed without sacrificing the immediate well-being of the European population.
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Remember when the former president of the US told the German delegation at a UN meeting that is was a bad idea to become totally dependent on Russian energy, and they all laughed out loud?
That former president was dumb or some junk.
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Trump is looking more and more like Nostradamus.
He told them to diversify horses and they laughed in his face.
He told them to spend more on defense and then Russia invaded Ukraine.
I’m actually amazed that they’re not rushing to build nuclear power plants which has zero carbon emissions and can power a modern industrial society
What's the lives of a few peasants, anyway? It's not like anyone important is going to freeze to death.
It’s not like this would be the first time a German government would kill it’s own citizens.
But they didn't use freezers last time.
Duh. Back then they did not care about their carbon footprint.
Well then qualified immunity for everyone!
But those gas ovens have a pretty big carbon footprint. Freezing to death is more climate friendly final solution.
Not when the bodies thaw out in the spring, rot, and emit CO2 and/or methane.
How did this attitude amongst the world's elites sneak up on us like this?
Sometimes, 'two weeks' sneaks up on you and sometimes you're just slower than everyone who said "this isn't going to last two weeks" one actual week into 'two weeks'.
Remember, instant gratification is the thing. It has to be now, there's no time for thoughtful deliberation, reasoning, noodling out the pros and cons, it has to be done immediately and any negative consequences ignored and hidden.
Didn't sneak up on everybody. But a lot of people are just reluctant to notice things like this, even though the Green movement has been pretty open about it all along.
"The fossil fuel economy has reached its limits," Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the E.U.'s executive body, declared last year.
I'm pretty sure if the fossil fuel economy had reached its limits, you wouldn't have to mandate people stop using them; they'd be so price-prohibited that nobody would want to. That's how economics works.
Who put that asshole in charge of anything?
The Europeans did.
Who actually voted for her?
Europeans, when they joined the Union. They voted for slavery.
Her father Ernst Albrecht worked as one of the first European civil servants from the establishment of the European Commission in 1958
It's the Divine Right of Bureaucrats to rule.
I bet she is somehow related to Paul Ehrlich. And probably just as accurate.
Ursula von der Leyen.
I vander vat else she's lyin' about.
they'd be so price-prohibited that nobody would want to. That's how economics works.
That is the main reason Europe has not tapped its (relatively small) shale gas deposits. Those are not cheap at the margin. They are worth it - right NOW - when Russia (a cheap producer) has cut off its gas supply to Europe and before other cheap producers of gas can get their excess supply to Europe. But the stupidest thing a commodity producer should EVER do is bring expensive supply on line when there is only a tiny window when that supply will ever be profitable.
Europe is truly in a bind - and its pretty much their fault. But considering that every cheap fossil fuel option near them is and will always be - Russia; the last thing they should be doing is creating more of a future dependence on Russia.
If countries really ever were interested in Ricardian free trade (true 'comparative advantage' rather than the horseshit that we call 'free trade'), they would deal with the short term supply/demand problem by reducing demand. Not by increasing supply if the only short term supply increase is fossil fuels. And that would mean making sure that the most energy-intensive (and/or fossil fuel dependent) industries in Europe - chemicals, pulp/paper, cement, fertilizer, steel, maybe aluminum) - be encouraged to produce in countries where that energy is cheap so that what gets imported to Europe is the more valuable output rather than the fuel input.
" But considering that every cheap fossil fuel option near them is and will always be - Russia;"
Why should we consider things that aren't true? The only reason Russia can supply gas to Europe is that they built a pipeline. Build one from the Middle East!
Pipelines crossing earthquake belts don't work well
omelettes and eggs... who cares? Forward to the Glorious Future!
Lowering carbon emissions is a noble and necessary goal ...
Weren't we just in a thread where someone demanded to know where Reason was illiberal? I think I may have found a small bit of evidence.
a whole article calling out the climate nazis for going overboard and being unreasonable..... and the one sentence where they acknowledge reducing carbon emissions would be a good thing is all you twits can fixate one.
SMH
Defending bad things as good intentions is a shit policy for a liberal to make. It is rationalization and defense of bad policy. This site is titled Reason not emoting. They should be called out. It is needless virtue signaling.
Hitler's policies may be bad, but he had the noble goal of trying to make Germany self-sufficient.
they were not defending anything....
they were not defending the bad things as good intentions, they were saying the bad things ere bad, despite any intentions.
they were not rationalizing bad policy, they flat out said those pushing the policy were wrong.
if you are going to point out the site is called reason, you might not want to jump into an argument based purely on straw-men and partisan BS.
Yes they were. When you hand waive away a criticism with a "but good intentions" it is defending it. It basically allows them to continue on with oppressive policies, just not a specific one. Principles are divorced from motivations.
they did not hand wave anything away, dumb ass. if you read the ENTIRE sentence quoted here, it explicitly says the person in question is WRONG.
Is he a dumbass or is he a liar? I'm still not sure.
i think it is a bit of both, but not sure what the ratios are.
Lol. Leftists going to always defend bad acts by good intentions. You two retards deserve each other.
Projection is lovely this time of year.
This site is titled Reason not emoting.
*drink*
There was a time when this game used to be fun.
Inequality is always descending upon America, but killing off the poor always lands in Europe.
Pretty sure China has Europe beat at the "thousands of years of murdering peasants" game.
Sacrificing the well being of the population IS a long term climate goal. Haven't you figured that out yet?
Noble and necessary.
"Noble and necessary."
Only if it happens to the "others".
Uh, sacrificing the population itself is what Gaia demands.
We need more volcanos.
Giant Meteor 2024!
Lowering carbon emissions is a noble and necessary goal
I didn't realize Joe was a climatologist. I wonder where he got his PhD. Or is he just one of those who "Trusts The Science" despite the fact that the climate change crap is nearly 100% funded by the government which only funds research that shows climate change is real, it's man-made, it's an existential crisis, it demands massive government intervention, and it needs it NOW.
(By the way, the cooling towers in that picture sure do put out a lot of steam, don't they? A stupid person might confuse that picture with a picture of air pollution.)
Don't you know that H2O is a dangerous (and the dominant) greenhouse gas? We must do everything we can to limit H2O.
I propose turning it into energy with fusion power!
Dihydrogen monoxide! It kills people every day! Ban it! For the children!
We need to switch to HO2. Much safer.
That is water vapor, not steam. Steam is invisible to the naked eye.
"Lowering carbon emissions is a noble and necessary goal,"
Once again, Reason cedes the Statist ground and quibbles over the details. Is that a fact? Who's lowering them? By what means? The State says so. And the State will lower them. By using State Power and our money.
Biden was cleverly creating an energy empire, Putin has begun dismantling it.
Biden’s Energy Empire
So basically, USA monopoly in the European market is unmatched and it has no challengers. There are reports that Spot LNG prices might easily break the previous record high of $69.955 per mmBtu, as European utilities will likely be scrambling to get enough natural gas for the next winter peak demand season. They have no one but US to fall back on.
We have already witnessed how Europe is struggling to get out of US’ clutches. And being over-dependent on US’ LNG gas is certainly not the way forward to it. European leaders are already meeting at a conference in Prague on October 6 to create a body called the European Political Community, which will be dedicated to advancing security across the continent. A step to come out of US’ shadow after long.
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/09/10/biden-was-cleverly-creating-an-energy-empire-putin-has-begun-dismantling-it/
$8.31 mmBtu here in the US
ENERGY MASTERMIND!
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Daughter says QAnon radicalized Walled Lake father before he killed mother, dog, injured sister
‘I didn’t even cry, I was just so shocked I couldn’t even believe it’
WALLED LAKE, Mich. – The 21-year-old daughter of a man who police said killed his wife, the family dog and severely injured his 25-year-old daughter said her father was radicalized by QAnon.
QAnon is an online conspiracy that believes in a pedophilic cult of the elite that planned the COVID pandemic and stole the election. Rebecca Lanis, 21, said QAnon radicalized her father and sent him over the edge.
“He started reading about the stolen election and Trump and then he started getting deeper into it and then when the vaccines came out and COVID, he started reading all that,” Rebecca Lanis said.
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The U.N. Tells the E.U. That Green Energy Goals Are Worth Freezing to Death Over
So the U.N. is repeating the E.U.'s official policy?
"As it turns out, the US has gained the most from the energy crisis by opening up a huge market for American gas suppliers, tightening its grip on Europe and hurting Russia's key export," a Beijing-based expert on international affairs who spoke on condition of anonymity told the Global Times.
Europe reels from energy shortage
The US created the Ukraine crisis in the first place, but has now become the biggest winner sitting across the ocean and profiting from the crisis. This calls for reflection and vigilance, Zhao Lijian, spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry, said recently.
Zhao said that he is aware of reports that the gap between gas prices in the European and US markets is now as much as 10 times, a record high.
The remarks came in response to comments by some in the European media who have said that the US is masquerading as a savior while banking huge profits by selling gas to European countries, with the latter facing energy shortages due to sanctions targeting Russia that forced them to buy US natural gas at high prices.
CAPITALIST PIGS!
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.
#FillingInForOvert
Daughter says QAnon radicalized Walled Lake father before he killed mother, dog, injured sister
‘I didn’t even cry, I was just so shocked I couldn’t even believe it’
WALLED LAKE, Mich. – The 21-year-old daughter of a man who police said killed his wife, the family dog and severely injured his 25-year-old daughter said her father was radicalized by QAnon.
QAnon is an online conspiracy that believes in a pedophilic cult of the elite that planned the COVID pandemic and stole the election. Rebecca Lanis, 21, said QAnon radicalized her father and sent him over the edge.
“He started reading about the stolen election and Trump and then he started getting deeper into it and then when the vaccines came out and COVID, he started reading all that,” Rebecca Lanis said.
Seek help.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of lefty shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, turd.
The Duran podcast on this very subject.
I recommend it. 12 minutes.
“ … long-term climate goals can be addressed”
I’ve yet to see a “goal” aside from “limiting
industrial activityCO2 emissions” actually elucidated. So what is it - lowering global temperatures? Making all the hurricanes and typhoons disappear?What measurable “long term goals” are you talking about?
Beat me to it, drat!
There is that "goal" of reducing the average global temperature increase by something or other by the next century or something. But all that tends to vary. But interestingly, the Elite say they can do just that, if we give them all the Power and all the Money.
its pretty simple.
They say its dire and we have to give them more power and money to fix it. It wont significantly change what actually happens.
If temperature rises a little, life wont change, but they will hysteric even harder and claim "see its getting worse! We havent tried hard enough!"
If temperature levels off or drops, life wont change, but they will claim victory.
If we go fully nuclear and reduce carbon emissions to near zero, the climate will still continue to do its thing. Which is why they desperately dont want us using nuclear. It would prove everything they are saying is a grift.
You will have nothing, and you will be physically uncomfortable, and you will watch some of your children die young, and you will be happy. Or at least you'd better fucking pretend to be happy.
Fail right at the start.
"Climate goals"? What the heck, Joe Lancaster? What do you think "climate goals" actually are? I can have the climate goal of moving to a more agreeable climate; I can even address that goal. Are you really so warped by the climate alarmunists that you actually believe we puny humans can control the climate?
Crap-o-matic on a shingle, Joe! Think about what words mean before you spew them for eternity to laugh at.
/sarc off
Hundreds of years from now when history discusses government merging with religion, they'll talk about Climate Change and the Crusades in the same chapter.
/sarc on
Why don't we talk about it now?
We can. I've always compared it to a religion. Even before I read that speech by Crichton.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/michael-chrichton-in-2003-environmentalism-is-a-religion/
The hard part is convincing the faithful that they're following a belief system, not science.
See: "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose.
Because, as he outlines in that excerpt, most of these people consider themselves to be atheists, so it's likely they'd be offended if they were told they're actually quite religious. Puts them on the defensive, then they're not going to be receptive. You know?
Hundreds of years from now when history discusses government merging with religion, they'll talk about Climate Change, Transgender idiocy, COVID, and the Crusades in the same chapter.
FIFY
To be fair to the first three crusades, they were reacting to a very aggressive foreign power wiping out existing faiths and governments at the point of a sword.
Yup, ecological armageddon everywhere I look. It is like a post apocolyptic wasteland out there.
It is like a post apocolyptic wasteland out there.
Are you looking at the burning hellscape of Northern California or the desert wasteland of Southern California?
"ongoing climate crisis"
Cite?
"...the bureaucrats need to realize..." assumes bad policy is due to ignorance, not malice. It is neither. Bureaucrats don't consider the suffering of others, only their exploitation. It's not malice, just indifference, as in "let them eat cake".
The problem is the public's willful ignorance of this fact. The desire to be ruled, parented like children, creates delusion, worship of authority, obedience. It's a pathetic display of self-enslavement. And it's a worldwide superstition, see: "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose.
"Carbon Neutral" by 2050 as a continental goal. I can't type that without chuckling. Will everyone start living in tents and eating bugs, because that's about the only route to actually being carbon neutral. I would like to see them build all their green fantasies without burning millions of barrels of petroleum. I guess they could go the California route and consider it fine as long as it's generated elsewhere.
"...the bureaucrats need to realize..."? Why? They are doing just fine. That's our problem, not theirs. Why? We live under their rule, by choice. Every time we vote, we are granting authority to others to run our lives, and the lives of other citizens who don't vote because they dissent, the just want to "live & let live". Freedom to enjoy our rights, to reason for ourselves, to choose, is not allowed anywhere in the world. We are all guilty until we prove to the satisfaction of our masters we should be shown mercy. Obey their chaotic law. Why? Resistance is futile. You have been assimilated.
Hey remember when they said we would be having worsening pandemics (when there was a pandemic going on) and before that, we would be seeing more frequent and worsening super storms (after a year we got hit particularly hard with hurricanes) and now that we have had a couple years where COVID is much better (and surprise! no new pandemics!) and we really havent had a bad hurricane season since (with the overall trend basically flat)?
And now the great climate apocalypse is manifesting itself as...California got kind of a little hot in summertime...
What happened to all the apocalyptic hurricanes?
"And now the great climate apocalypse is manifesting itself as...California got kind of a little hot in summertime..."
Plus, So Cal got wet:
https://www.wrtv.com/news/national/rain-mudslides-prompt-southern-california-evacuations
It all ran in the Pacific.
There's no 'climate change crisis'.
There's just a climate change scam.
Climate Change is REAL!!! Where I live, it happens four times every single year!
As far as the UN thinking lives are expendable, ask the Bosnians and the Rwandans if they’re surprised.
Yeah, sure. A religion:
"Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists say humans are causing climate change.[4][5] Surveys of the scientific literature are another way to measure scientific consensus. A 2019 review of scientific papers found the consensus on the cause of climate change to be at 100%,[2] and a 2021 study concluded that over 99% of scientific papers agree on the human cause of climate change.[3] The small percentage of papers that disagreed with the consensus either cannot be replicated or contain errors.[6]....
This is a list of scientific bodies of national or international standing, that have issued formal statements of opinion, classifies those organizations according to whether they concur with the IPCC view, are non-committal, or dissent from it. The California Governor's Office website lists nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.[55]..."
At the link, every relevant scientific organization as well as all national and international academies of science, as well as all prestigious scientific organizations like the American Association for the Advancement of Science have endorsed the consensus viewpoint that anthropomorphic climate change is both real and a potential threat to our civilization.
Here are the organizations (2) that are non-committal:
American Association of Petroleum Geologists
American Institute of Professional Geologists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change#:~:text=A%202019%20review%20of%20scientific,be%20replicated%20or%20contain%20errors.
If you think religions have the support of all the world's scientific organizations you are high.
Every Stupid Leftard, "We're all going to burn to death! Didn't you read our propaganda!"
He doesn't know what the word necessary means.
i cycle you back to my original post..... the article was more than one sentence long, you morons.
AND, you dumb fucks have to ignore half of that sentence to begin with....
".....but Al-Nashif's message rings paternalistic."
the whole sentence explicitly says what she is saying is wrong, and you dip shits have to ignore the second half of the sentence to rage out about something the article is not actually saying.
if they wrote an article with the sentence "while reducing gun deaths might be a good goal, these gun control proposals won't prevent any deaths." you stupid fucks would copy the first half of the sentence and start screaming "they want to take our guns!!!!"
And then they'd call you a liar when you pointed out the other half of the sentence.
Sarc has a new leftist friend. How quaint.