Despite State Injunctions, Parents Say Texas Is Still Investigating Trans Kids for Potential 'Abuse'
When it comes to gender identity issues, some conservatives make a mockery of liberty and parental rights.

Even though two state judges have ordered Texas officials to stop initiating abuse investigations of families of trans youths while a lawsuit moves forward, those investigations are still happening, according to some new court filings.
In February, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton put out a memo declaring that it's considered possible child abuse worthy of potential prosecution if parents seek medical treatment like puberty-blocking drugs or hormones for trans kids. Gov. Greg Abbott subsequently ordered the state's Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS) to launch investigations, even if the trans kids, parents, and medical professionals were all in agreement with the line of treatment.
Investigations did indeed follow and parents quickly filed lawsuits, assisted by Lambda Legal and the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas to try to stop this harassment. There have been multiple injunctions by state district judges Amy Clark Meachum and Jan Soifer stopping investigations of the families involved in the lawsuits. But despite the individual injunctions, other families with trans youths continue to report that state officials are investigating, interviewing, and, according to parents involved, traumatizing trans kids.
Two additional families have come forward. In one case, a trans teen was pulled out of class and interrogated by officials asking personal questions, including probing him about a previous suicide attempt. For the second family, DFPS officials opened up an investigation of a student who was exploring "social transitioning," asking to be called by they/them pronouns, and seeing a psychiatrist but not receiving any medical care. Under Paxton's own guidelines, this student should not have been investigated in the first place. Yet, months after the state was told the student was not getting treatment, officials nevertheless demanded the mother show proof that "some third party confirm they are 'well-adjusted.'"
The Austin American-Statesman explains that these new affidavits were gathered and submitted to Meachum as the judge considers a request to widen the injunction to protect more families from this investigation.
Remarkably, the response from Paxton's office to the lawsuit has been to try to convince an appeals court to overturn the injunctions against the investigation on the grounds that the parents lack standing to sue. Even though Paxton's office put out a memo that warned that "mandatory reporters" (like teachers and social workers) face potential prosecution if they don't alert DFPS about trans youths, and despite the governor putting out a written order calling for DFPS to launch these investigations, Paxton argues it's too soon for legal action to take place:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has asked an appeals court to overturn Meachum's injunctions, arguing in part that the families don't have standing to sue because they complained of potential, not actual, harm. No transgender children have been removed from home and placed into foster care, and no parents have been placed on the state's child abuse registry, his lawyers have argued.
That may be true. They're just being dragged out of class and interrogated, and parents are being ordered to provide medical proof that their kids are "well-adjusted."
It seems there is abuse going on here, and it's by the state of Texas. Yes, the treatment of trans teens and youths with other gender issues is a complicated affair, and it is very natural to be worried about kids making permanent changes to their bodies and then regretting it. But liberty (and "parental rights") calls for us to respect choices that other people's families make with the assistance of medical staff they've chosen to associate with, even if they're not the decisions we would make.
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I can certainly see why the state might find hormones and puberty blockers to be potential child abuse. I'm not sure why it's even controversial.
I don't get the exception. If I find a medical professional that says I should beat my kid with a stick does that mean I'm immune to investigations of child abuse?
Obviously. If your 4 year old says they're a T-rex you have a duty to immediately smash the growth plates in their arms to further their trans-species transition.
Your sarcasm is just mammalian supremacist thinking
Female genital mutilation was a horror. Now preventing it is the horror.
Simple - elective surgery or hormone treatment of minors is illegal, except for reconstruction of damaged parts.
Can they replace the damaged parts with better, stronger, faster parts?
Keep your creepy fantasies about molesting children to yourself.
I'd like to believe he was just making a 6 million dollar man joke.
Hate to be on trigger alert for simple attempts at humor, benefit of the doubt might be in order here.
Generally providing medical treatment for your children is the literal opposite of child abuse. If someone wants to repair their child's cleft palate, or has them wear a leg brace to straighten a crooked spine, no one thinks that is abuse.
The only way I can see that someone might find it to be child abuse is if they literally cannot believe children are trans. Their minds literally cannot imagine that idea that a child mild spontaneously be transgender, so they become convinced the children are being bamboozled by parents for some sinister reason. In that case I can see how you might find it child abuse, even though the fault is entirely due to a failure of imagination on your part.
You might object that some of the other medical treatments I mentioned are settled science, while transgender health care is still controversial. However, this does not seem to be the case, the bulk of the evidence is in favor of such care. This also falsely assumes that critics of transgender health care are sane and stable people. Based on their rhetoric and behavior, it is far more likely that they are a bunch of crazies.
You sure about that?
You sure about 9 year old boys who have not gone through puberty being trans? You sure about the false positive rate.
Or that there is no objective medical/psychological criteria to determine who is suffering from gender dysphoria.
We are talking children.
How do you tell if a child is trans? They are uncomfortable. They are concerned. They think something is wrong. These are extremely vague feelings with no objective markers or measurements. Their feelings could easily represent anything from depression or general anxiety to autism to being direct symptoms of child abuse or even just normal teenage angst or cries for attention.
However, despite the vague diagnostics and the severe lifelong effects, we have seen literal toddlers transitioning. A four year old boy does not understand what a girl is, much less have the knowledge, understanding or wisdom necessary to make life choices with permanent impacts. You are far more likely to give them dysphoria than to solve it.
Additionally, I find the "benefits" of transition in reducing self-harm and depression critically, almost criminally understudied. The benefits are almost assumed instead of measured, and I know of no study with a control group that receives simple therapy. Certainly if it is a misdiagnosis the change is going to be a significant negative, but that effect is almost completely ignored.
There is also a growing de-transition movement, where people who had the transition returning to their birth gender, often with permanent bodily changes from hormones or disfiguring surgeries. These people have been actively censored in public discourse, when this should raise a serious concern.
The above points have solidified my conclusion that children should under no circumstances be allowed to transition. If they feel this way, they should be given counseling, and if they continue to feel that way when they reach adulthood, then they can do it then. When they are old enough to make life altering decisions and to appreciate the changes and risks that they are undergoing.
They are not 'trans'
Because it is not real.
The idea that someone has a male mind in a female body or the reverse is beyond preposterous.
For it to be accurate one would have to, not just accept the idea of the soul, but be firm in the belief that the soul itself is permanently imprinted with a specific sex.
AND one must accept that these souls pre-exist bodies.
Otherwise no one can be an X born into a Y body.
There ARE however, a variety of mental disorders conducive to the delusion of being trans.
If you give everything a swipe with Occam's razor, the answers are obvious.
It's not my imagination's failure that throwing someone off the roof causes them to fall, not fly. I can imagine it. It's just not consistent with known facts.
Naturalistic fallacy. Puberty is child abuse. It's miserable, isn't it?
>>possible child abuse ... medical treatment like puberty-blocking drugs or hormones for trans kids
where can the science be found settling the genetic differences in these children necessitating medical treatment? asking for friend
For example, a minor male with testicular cancer may need an orchiectomy. This opinion does not address or apply to medically necessary procedures.
-from Ken Paxton's memo.
You qualify your question with the following statement: “Some children have a medically verifiable genetic disorder of sex development or do not have the normal sex chromosome structure for male or female as determined by a physician through genetic testing that require procedures similar to those described in this request.” Id. at 2. In other words, in rare circumstances, some of the procedures you list are borne out of medical necessity. For example, a minor male with testicular cancer may need an orchiectomy. This opinion does not address or apply to medically necessary procedures.
That's the full one - I deleted. Was looking to see if Matt Krause's letter asking Ken to investigate was published which might clear up the above.
cool thanks.
>>medically verifiable genetic disorder of sex development or do not have the normal sex chromosome structure
>>in rare circumstances, some ... procedures ... are borne out of medical necessity
so, yes. possibly medically necessary for nephew to become niece
>>minor male with testicular cancer may need an orchiectomy
but wait, example applies to all minor males w/testicular cancer, not just the ones who think they're chicks
No, if they think they're chicks, the existence of their testicles cannot be acknowledged.
I get the idea that plenty of people regard healthy testicles as synonymous with testicular cancer. I don't think as many people would be supportive of the idea that a cervix is synonymous with cervical cancer (despite the relatively overwhelmingly stronger correlation between having a cervix and developing cervical cancer). I think even fewer would be supportive of the legislature making such broad medical diagnoses on an issue unrelated to cancer.
Okay groomer.
Shackford for female genital mutilation
Shack ford's next article: Joe Jackson: hero and trail blazer. How Michel Jackson's father paved the way for the greatness of children on puberty blockers
Good.
At least Texas is trying to stop the mutilation and sterilization of gender-confused children who are being preyed upon by evil adults and manipulative peers.
No surprises that Reason's resident groomer opposes that.
Nobody under the age of 18 in the US is getting any gender reassignment surgery.
You are a liar.
Gaslighting or retarded?
Why can’t it be both?
A pro child abuse article?
Gross.
Reason should be very cautious about letting Scott use their workplace computers.
meh dont worry.
What once would have gotten you on a federal registry now gets you a "Kindergarten Teacher of the Year" award and praise from the MSM
Perhaps the Texas Legislature should weigh in. Just saying, not a fan of AGs and Governors declaring things illegal that haven't been declared illegal through legislation.
(1) "Abuse" includes the following acts or omissions by a person:
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(A) mental or emotional injury to a child that results in an observable and material impairment in the child's growth, development, or psychological functioning;
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(C) physical injury that results in substantial harm to the child, or the genuine threat of substantial harm from physical injury to the child, including an injury that is at variance with the history or explanation given and excluding an accident or reasonable discipline by a parent, guardian, or managing or possessory conservator that does not expose the child to a substantial risk of harm;
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(D) failure to make a reasonable effort to prevent an action by another person that results in physical injury that results in substantial harm to the child;
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/FA/htm/FA.261.htm
You left out the secret part (B) that is an open door for abuse:
(B) causing or permitting the child to be in a situation in which the child sustains a mental or emotional injury that results in an observable and material impairment in the child's growth, development, or psychological functioning;
Grooming is legal!!
Are you saying female genital mutilation was legal before now?
Are you saying it's probably ok to break 5-year old's legs with a cricket bat because there is no specific legislation against that?
Or to staple their hands together so they can't feed themselves?
What exact legislation do you think is necessary?
It seems there is abuse going on here, and it's by the state of Texas.
Show me a trans kid and I'll tell you the politics of the mother. There's abuse, but it's not the state that's doing it.
Also, ignore the widespread and oft-cited facts, within the community, about the non-gender-related child sexual abuse. There are victims, but not *victim* victims out there that need state-sponsored medical intervention, but not state-sponsored legal intervention and we've got a
monkeypoxtransgender narrative to spin!Similar to how gay folk in supportive homes tend to come-out earlier, trans folk in supportive folks also tend to come out earlier.
If the home isn't supportive, they'll probably wait until they're out of the house.
Which is to say... you see more trans kids of liberal parents then conservative parents not because there are more trans kids of liberal parents, but because the trans kids of conservative parents are hiding.
But feel free to google "transgender homeless teens" if you want examples of trans kids who didn't have supportive homes.
Similar to how gay folk in supportive homes tend to come-out earlier, trans folk in supportive folks also tend to come out earlier.
So, do gay folk from conservative homes convert back and settle down sooner or are we going with the false narrative that it's not a choice and people never change their mind despite that narrative explicitly refuting your assertion?
Instead of spewing bullshit there are many studies about social contagion here and in Europe. Especially regarding the trans explosion. Also see the near tripling of transition regret the last 5 years.
Then move to the adult trans community. How many trans conservatives are out there? Is there parity with left trans? Is it even close? No. It's not. This is a political phenomenon. It's virtue signaling and psychological manipulation.
All self-righteous conservaturds everywhere: "The freely chosen decisions of 16-year-old 'children', as advised by their doctor(s) and parent(s), are as NOTHING, compared to the Will of The Almighty State, as is best informed by WE, the Mighty Nosenheimers and Buttinskies! WE shall decide what is, and what is not, medically necessary, and what is, and what is not, permitted!!!"
Bow LOW, all ye peons!!! Those who do NOT bow low? They are GROOMERS!!!!
Wait until MAP apologists gain a foothold in American political activism, and SQRLSY will be on here advocating for man-boy-love to be legal, and all those pesky Trumptards need to butt out!
The old creep was always a sick, perverted fuck.
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Not a tribe, but you. You personally are a fucked-up old creeper.
Don't hide behind a tribe. You alone are a sick fuck.
There is no "parental right" to poison and mutilate their children, or to intentionally inflict serious mental disturbance upon them. It's great to see at least one government trying to fight back against this depravity.
This is pretty much EXACTLY what the witch-burners in Dark Ages Europe said about teaching pre-"Christian" religious beliefs to children! Tweak a few words... And there you are! BURN THEM ALL, those unbelievers!!!! They pollute Our Precious Bodily Essences and Fluids!
Cites?
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879755784/reasonmagazinea-20/
Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness Hardcover – March 1, 1990
Read it and WEEP!!! ***IF*** ye are a decent humanoid!!! Or cream in yer pants... If'n ye get OFF on accusing people of being GROOMERS, or BROOMERS, flying on their witch's brooms!!! BURN THE WITCHES, the "Good People" of the "Good Book" say!!!
From the reviews:
"Easy to understand style. Written almost like bullet points or maxims of info. My only complaint is that it would be better if each of the wild claims had a specific link to the source of the info."
So no actual cites.
Bitch did NOT read the book!!! I did, Evil Bitch!!!
Evil is ass evil does!!!
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!
https://reason.com/2022/01/25/did-these-three-officers-willfully-deprive-george-floyd-of-his-constitutional-rights/?comments=true#comment-9323626
“You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”
-Quote MammaryBahnFuhrer the "Expert Christian Theologian"
So Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death... WHEN are You going to STOP stealing the IDs of Your victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names, and then blaming THEM?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
What do you not understand about committing errors and preventing commission of errors?
What do you not understand about being vague as all git-out? What do you not understand about SUPPORTING ASSHOLES WHO LOVE DEATH, DESTRUCTION, AND SUICIDE?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Everything, apparently.
Yes, stuff and stuff is stuffy, except when it is NOT stuffy!!!
Way to stand OUT there among the plain-vanilla crowd, and take a firm STANCE, ye HERO, ye!!!
Sqrlsy's been a liar from the beginning.
I stand by that 100%, Sqrlsy. You're a voice of evil advocating the demonic.
The world would be a better place without you in it.
So the GOOD people are like YOU, then, right, Oh Perfect One? Who advocate DEATH by suicide, and practice identity theft? Oh Great Christian Theologian? You have reversed good and evil in Your Perfect Mind! WHY is that SOOOO hard to see?
It’s not even close, bigot.
"Burn the witches" v/s "burn the trannies, their parents, and their doctors"... TOTES different? Why? Because "Team R" is SOOOOOO much more "civilized" now?
Except no one is trying to actually burn any of them, and there’s a huge difference between accusing some woman of being a witch because she had some knowledge about medicine or whatever and feeding into a child’s self delusion.
Oh, and the Republican Party didn’t exist when they were burning witches in Salem and if anyone is the spiritual heir of “No one is allowed to have fun unless we approve of it” Puritans, it would be the Democrats.
Sure there is.
Even if we ignore circumcision, that parents have a lot of control over their children's diets, and so-on, there's lots of examples to choose from.
From putting little girls into ballet lessons which, if followed through into adulthood will change the kids body in ways that they can never understand at the age of 5, to piercings and tattoos, to fishing for the right therapist to medicate your kid into obedience, to the routine traumas and non-physical abuse parents can get away with, they have all sorts of rights to fuck up their kids.
...they have all sorts of rights to fuck up their kids."
Oh, yes, they sure do!!! ESPECIALLY with respect to religion! Which is why we need to teach them the RIGHT religion! (I will now graciously lead us all in a Song of Praise!)
Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers
Government loves me, This I know,
For the Government tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
My Nannies tell me so!
GAWD does love me, yes indeed,
Keeps me safe, and gives me feed,
Shelters me from bad drugs and weed,
And gives me all that I might need!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
My Nannies tell me so!
DEA, CIA, KGB,
Our protectors, they will be,
FBI, TSA, and FDA,
With us, astride us, in every way!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
Yes, Guv-Mint loves me!
My Nannies tell me so!
It is amazing the rationalization you are going through to mutilate a kid. Drugs and surgery are the same as exercise!
I’m old enough to remember staunch libertarians arguing passionately here about how circumcision was a violation of the NAP. Now we have morons like SQRLSY and Escher arguing that it’s ok and you’re a bigot if you think there’s anything wrong with any of it.
That's true, but lines need to be drawn somewhere. I wouldn't want arguably abusive, but accepted, practices to become excuses for definite abuses to become accepted.
"When it comes to gender identity issues, some conservatives make a mockery of liberty and parental rights."
There's no parental right to raping your child, there's no parental right to beating them until bones break, there's no parental right to arresting their natural development with chemicals and there's no parental right to chopping their tits or dinks off.
The "doctors" or parents that maim children should rot in prison forever.
Pure emo and no logos! What would you expect from a Perfectly Evil Bitch, though?
https://www.haaretz.com/2015-08-01/ty-article/.premium/dont-confuse-me-with-the-facts/0000017f-f74d-d47e-a37f-ff7d56970000
Our Political Decisions Are Based More on Emotion Than Reason and Logic
Our craving for ideology means that we are partial to ideological leaders. But we need leaders who will make smart decisions that are aligned with the public interest.
Cutting off little boys genitalia because some sociopath has gaslit them into thinking they can become a girl is the opposite of logic.
You have to be a perfect storm of gullible, stupid and malevolent to think that's not only right, but even actually possible.
You're an evil, illogical clown, Sqrlsy.
So the Nosenheimers and Buttinskies of the world should run the lives of people they don't even know at ALL!!! Gotcha!
What am I allowed to eat for breakfast this morning?
Scott is determined to make the case that parents and "professionals" have a libertarian right to alter the biological processes of children due to gender dysphoria, a condition that rarely lasts into adulthood. If it does they are free to do as they please. In the meantime I don't see how Scott reconciles life altering drugs and surgery with the NAP. These are acts of aggression even if the child agrees. We can argue about the tactics of the state but don't give me that libertarian bullshit.
The child can damn well wait. What do people not understand about "What do you want to be when you grow up?"
Are these idiots going to demand tax-paid fire engines and rockets for kids who want to be a firefighter or astronaut?
How many times have we seen "professionals" getting medical/ethical rights that are over and above the general population go wrong?
Euthanasia is all fine and good until the govt decides climate change is the biggest threat to the world and that there are a lot of "unnecessary" people contributing to the carbon burden
Scientific racism gives one group a great excuse to exterminate 'lesser' races when they find themselves in a position of govt power
Gain of function research sounded like a good idea until they accidentally slip up and let the virus out (and then shut down the world to cover their asses)
And encouraging kids to question their own gender to recruit them to your alphabet soup LGBT army, and helping them mutilate their own bodies, after you have convinced them to do so, in hopes that they share your worldview and become a fellow traveler politically will go down the same as the above. Unethical, immoral, and straight up evil.
How many times have we seen "professionals" getting medical/ethical rights that are over and above the general population go wrong?
Long standing and well documented cause of our healthcare 'crisis' that the majority of doctors will prescribe palliative care or treatment that they themselves would choose to forego.
Pretty sure child abuse is not a right
But people disagree on what constitutes child abuse. Brainwashing kids into following the rules of a particular branch of an unusually irrational religion, is evident mental abuse AFAIC. That's just my opinion and yours may very well differ. But that is the point. Who decides?
The decision must be based on whether the child is suffering objective harm. There are healthy, happy people with bizarre religious beliefs.
Yes. Cutting dicks off is the same as going to church.
How retarded are you shrike?
Bugger off, serf. Why are you so fucking stupid? I never said that they were the same. Nor did I say that going to Church was brainwashing. It's all the other stuff as well. And there are different levels of abuse.
If this is shrike (I’m not convinced), he has yet to plumb the full depths of his retardation.
Either way, he’s a fucking bigot and should be mocked as such relentlessly.
I'm not shrike. What bigotry are you whingeing about now?
At least the Jews only take a little skin off the top, and the Salafists only take the clit.
The church of the Alphabet Sex Cult gouges out vaginas, steals testicles and cocks, and chops off tits.
"Pretty sure child abuse is not a right"
I'm pretty sure that it shouldn't be one's "right" to use one's votes to mind the business of other people, who we don't even know!
Show us, on the doll, where did the trannies touch you, in a bad way?
So, I want my kid to be faster/stronger to get a D1 ride so...I should have the right..or the HS coach has a right to inject steroids/EPO into a student? Same thing, isn't it? You want the child to be something they are not..and perhaps have convinced the child they are really born in the "wrong" body. Seriously Scott..we get you are gay but this degeneracy has nothing to do with gay rights. Evolution produced two sexes in animals. Deciding you are the wrong "sex" is denying evolution and reality. Now you can do that as you have the right to your body (dress opposite or get immation surgery) but damn leave kids alone.
Evolution produced two sexes in animals.
Well, evolution has produced single sexes in some animals, hermaphrodites in others, and more than two sexes in yet others.
And we know that for some people, their brain tells them that they're of one sex while their body tells them that they're of another. In such cases, I give preference to that part of them that actually thinks. But I guess that's my libertarian leanings.
FWIW I am by no means sure that chemical or anatomical intervention is appropriate below a certain age or development. Social - i.e., non-irreversible - change is another matter.
BTW if Texas lets children marry at 16 with parental consent, they should let 16yo get reassignment surgery with parental consent as well. They don't, TTBOMK.
Evolution has yet to produce single sexes in humans so that’s a stupid point. And the production of hermaphroditism in humans is so vanishingly rare it barely registers as a percentage, so that’s two strikes in one sentence.
Better luck next time champ.
The claim was that "evolution produces two sexes in animals" - not in humans. That was wrong.
Try again.
Further dispelling troon nonsense (TL,DR: If you believe the fountain of youth is illogical fiction, then the fountain of sex change is beyond reason):
*From birth* female estrogen (and derivative) levels are categorically higher than boys and while both boys' and girls' estrogen levels rise towards and through puberty, girls' levels rise faster and the ceiling for estrogen levels rises several fold over boys. For testosterone, the distinction is closer at birth and starts later (8-10 yrs.) but is more pronounced (exponential). The ceiling testosterone for an 11 yr. old boy is ~400 ng/dL, a 11-yr.-old girl's is ~40 ng/dL. The males' can normally rise as high as ~1200 ng/dL the females' won't normally exceed ~70 ng/dL. It should be further noted that testosterone and estrogen are not solely responsible for sex or other physiological/developmental characteristics. They directly counterbalance and interact with other hormones (GnRH, LH, HGH, FSH, FGF, Prolactin, etc., etc.) which have other developmental physiological effects, several of which aren't exactly distinct between the sexes and all of which don't clearly translate to development and athletic performance characteristics. However, there are still notable physiological and developmental differences that are largely or completely unexplained strictly by sex hormones. Notably, women with chronically low estrogen experience osteoporosis while osteoporosis is a rarity even in men who's estrogen levels never even approach even post-menopausal women's levels.
More critically to troon idiocy, actual no-shit intersex individuals and genetically/hormonally abnormal individuals still display sex-related distinctions. For instance, even male Kleinfelter's Syndrome (XXY) sufferers testosterone levels don't normally drop below 2-300 ng/dL, still well above female levels. Kleinfelter's Sufferers suffer breast cancer at rates ~15X those of normal XY males, but 15X is still well below the rate experienced in females. On the flip side, Kalmann Syndrome and Idiopathic Hypogonadotropic Hypogonadism (delayed onset, lack of, or incomplete puberty) sufferers still develop relatively normally up to puberty and can even have puberty induced to produce normal sexual function, but don't display any opposite sex characteristics (unlike Kleinfelter's Syndrome sufferers who suffer gynocomastia and breast cancer). Along the same lines, because sex-hormones are instrumental in the closing of epiphysial growth plates, despite full sexual differentiation, and even function with treatment, Kalmann and HH sufferers experience osteoporosis more equivalently.
The idea that one can simply pause puberty and reverse the first 1, 5, or 10 yrs. of sex-specific development, which unequivocally begins at, and even before, birth with opposite-sex hormones is patently anti-scientific. The idea that an athlete that developed as a male for 5, 10, or 15 yrs. can simply be converted to a female (or vice versa) in the same way is similarly absurd. And this isn't a modern, fringe developmental theory, this is known and settled medical science corroborated across decades, if not centuries and is consistent with physiological systems present in animal models whose divergence dates back many millennia.
That is, "don't clearly or directly translate to specific development and athletic performance characteristics". Males with abnormally high or low FSH levels (by male or female standards) don't clearly develop more or less obvious height, muscle mass, cardiac output, facial hair, lung capacity, etc., etc. differences.
If the kid has body dysmorphia and wants his foot amputated, it's okay to do it if the parents and a shrink agree?
If Shackford is so concerned about parental rights, then I eagerly await him condemning this piece of California legislation.
"The California legislature just passed S.B. 107, a dangerous bill that undermines the fundamental right of every parent in every state to direct the upbringing of their children. It allows California courts to strip custody from parents — even parents who don’t live in California — who have legitimate concerns about a young child undergoing irreversible medical procedures to appear as a different gender."
"The bill instructs California courts to disregard parents’ fundamental right to make health-care decisions for their minor child and also denies parents access to their child’s medical information. But the radical nature of this legislation does not end there."
I'm for liberty of the individual, not ownership of people by parents.
So you are for ownership of children by the state?
Children up to a certain age are not competent to make important decisions for themselves. We can argue at what age that is no longer true, but if parents are not the proper guardians of their children's interests, what institution is desirable and trustworthy to take up that responsibility?
If parents refuse life-saving blood transfusions for their child on religious grounds, should we just say, well, let the kid die, but at least the state didn't own them?
Government so small it fits inside your kids' pants.
If you are unable to conceptualize anything without thinking about what's in little kids pants, you should really seek help.
Dude, everyone knows that all this conservative hysteria about child abuse is projection.
The longest-serving Republican speaker of the House molested children. Donald Trump molested children. Don't even get me started on the brand of conservative known as priests.
Republicans can barely get a sentence out without talking about children's genitals these days. It's fucking crazy.
in which subject?
But beating your dog with a stick is an unequivocal 'Go directly to jail.' card.
The State's interest in preventing animal cruelty are without question, cruelty to 12th trimester clumps of human cells, not so much.
Can they make multiple holes? Asking for a friend.
I laughed way harder at this than I should have.
Front, back, 2 ears, mouth. What more can a guy want?
Do they identify as a bowling ball?
>> 'Go directly to jail.' card.
at the very least a Louisville Slugger In Intervention