The Federal Trade Commission vs. the Internet
Data collection is not the same as surveillance.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) hosted a public forum last week to target "commercial surveillance and lax cybersecurity." While data privacy is a legitimate concern, FTC chief Lina Khan and her allies are vilifying legitimate business practices and increasingly overstepping their congressionally granted authority.
Many people are concerned about "surveillance" by anyone, no matter the intent. But the data practices Khan's agency is thinking of regulating aren't really surveillance at all. The advance notice of proposed rulemaking covers everything from the mere collection of data to specific questions about certain types of users' unique risks, which could eliminate many beneficial uses of data. Khan is conflating beneficial and risky data collection practices in an effort to kneecap successful business models she dislikes, without thinking about the impact on consumers.
In short, this is yet another example of FTC overreach.
Gone are the days of one-size-fits-all advertisements and experiences. Consumers today want a far more personalized experience. We enjoy it when online clothing retailers offer us coupons if we leave things in our carts and when news aggregators recommend articles based on what we enjoyed reading in the past. Such benefits are possible because of data and because of tools like cookies.
Consumers now have a wide range of choices for how their data is used, and an increasing number of sites encourage us to customize our privacy settings. Users can select different settings based on how much they trust a specific service. If they want a more personalized experience, they can have it, or they can opt out for more privacy. In many cases, consumers make choices based on the sensitivity of their activity and information. For example, most of us would expect a payment site to have more security and privacy features than a local news site.
By overriding such choices, the FTC risks taking away features that improve the consumer experience. It would also misallocate the agency's existing resources away from those bad actors that are truly harming consumers. The FTC has successfully reached sizable agreements around cases involving harm from deceptive privacy practices and lax cybersecurity, such as the Ashley Madison case, in which the FTC reached a multimillion dollar settlement over the affair-promotion company's lax data security practices and consumer deception. This and many other cases the agency has brought show that the FTC already has the authority and resources to go after malicious actors.
Instead, the FTC wants yet more powers, and it wants to take them without a grant of congressional authority. Americans should be far more afraid of what an overzealous FTC might do to the internet than of the benign, voluntary data practices the agency wants to regulate.
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"Data collection is not the same as surveillance"
Yes it is. Surveillance is, literally, data collection. WTF Reason.
Just a woman with a penis in the women's locker room collecting data, nothing to see here.
That is why the author didn't even bother to try and separate the two.
We enjoy it when...
No, "We" don't. You and the mouse in your pocket might like that someone knows absolutely everything about you including everything you're reading and watching, but a not insubstantial portion of use find that creepy as all fuck.
Man. No kidding. Don't tell me what I enjoy.
I'm not fond of regulation as the answer, but they also need to get a hard rebuke.
Agreed.
The FTC overstepping their bounds is a different matter than the political claptrap of "We really love" something. I was just bitching at the horseshit of someone pretending to be "our" spokesperson when she is obviously nothing but a naked shill for big tech.
Reason doesn’t think corporations can oppress people.
Even when they are directed to do so by the government l
They're just business decisions.
Unless it affects hookers. - ENB
Reason is always the first to defend corporate freedom.
But it's a distinction without a difference as they say. If the company collects all the data, the government can get it with a rubber stamp warrant, or a "working arrangement" with the company even without a warrant.
Yeah, and it's so loose that just having your phone on you and being in a general area where some crime occurred can get you caught up in a dragnet as they'll geofence an area and ask for data on all devices that pinged there between time x and time y.
This isn't corporate freedom. There's literally no way for me to carry a phone on me, have it turned on, and not have my position recorded by at the very least the phone company. By law, I cannot obscure that data.
"Yes it is. Surveillance is, literally, data collection."
This statement is true, but it's converse is not necessarily true.
All surveillance is data collection.
Not all data collection is surveillance.
"Khan is conflating beneficial and risky data collection practices"
Beneficial to who? Not a single bit of personal data collected about me benefits me - but comes with significant risks for me.
That might be true about you personally (though I doubt it) but it is flatly untrue as evidenced by the many people who flock to services that offer personalization.
I do admit that I worry about how much Amazon knows about me but at the same time, I appreciate that they can reliably predict new books and authors that I actually enjoy.
Where does the 'personalization' benefit them?
Target ads are just slightly less random - and most people run severe ad-blockers to avoid all ads anyway.
Amazon is one of the few retailers I use regularly - not a single ad from them was ever useful.
People aren't flocking because the data collection is beneficial - they're flocking because they were offered a discount if they allowed it's collection.
"Consumers today want a far more personalized experience. We enjoy it when online clothing retailers offer us coupons if we leave things in our carts "
No we do not. Not a single same person in the world likes or wants any of that. JFC mate - who TF *shops while logged in!* The majority of my online purchases are made through 'guest' accounts.
No we do not. Not a single same person in the world likes or wants any of that. JFC mate - who TF *shops while logged in!*
See my post above. Your problem is that you're shopping as the wrong gender. Of course, when you get charged a higher price at checkout because of your gender and have to leave items in your cart and wait for a coupon, that's because you're shopping as the other wrong gender.
All the sites I shop at require age verification by credit card, so...
Americans should be far more afraid of what an overzealous FTC might do to the internet than of the benign, voluntary data practices the agency wants to regulate.
You serious? That "benign, voluntary" bullshit is used for targeted advertising! Corporations are brainwashing you into buying shit! They track your interests so they can expose you to things you might like!
How terrible is that!
That's why we need government to step up! Facebook does it! Google does it! They all do it!
They're tracking you SO THEY CAN SELL YOU STUFF! MAKE IT STOP!
Yet you're the one that supports bans on cigarette and alcohol advertising.
Are you competing with JesseAz for some prize for putting absurd words in my mouth?
Corporations have never been your friend.
And yes, they do target people specifically to exploit them for profit.
If it were me, I'd outlaw internet advertising.
https://adblockplus.org/
Yo.
"Consumers now have a wide range of choices for how their data is used, and an increasing number of sites encourage us to customize our privacy settings"
That the then immediately ignore said choices or 'update' their policies to allow them to use the data collected under a previous, more restrictive, policy.
Lets not forget that they only offer this "option" because of strict EU regulations in response to a raft of privacy concerns, as well.
So, this "libertarian" magazine article is touting the benefits of meddlesome trans-national regulatory bureaucracy.
This chick is just a shill, of course, but she's not even good at it.
EU regulations that specifically carve out exceptions for the government!
Data collection is not the same as surveillance.
Visa and Mastercard are on line 1.
" voluntary data practices the agency wants to regulate"
The voluntary part is only on the side of the company - you don't get a say beyond 'build your own internet'.
"Instead, the FTC wants yet more powers, and it wants to take them without a grant of congressional authority."
Thanks, FTC. If we can continue propagating rules without Congress, maybe we can finally do away with it. Think of the money--and CO2--we can save by not having all those elections and members (and staff) meeting and traveling and obstructing authority.
We had a population enthusiastically embracing rent control from the CDC for over two years. We're not turning this ship around.
"without a grant of congressional authority"
Let's face it, even if Congress gave the FTC authority, it would still be un-Constitutional. Remind me again, what part of the Constitution gives the government oversight of the internet?
Probably the same constitution that gives the government oversight of broadcast television and radio.
Still looking for the grant of Congressional authority for Biden to spend 500 billion dollars of taxpayer funds paying off student loan debt of his supporters.
Commerce clause.
When it doubt, it's ALWAYS the commerce clause.
Gone are the days of one-size-fits-all advertisements and experiences.
Tired: These one-size-fits all leggings make you look like you looked before you had kids.
Fired: Honey, I think your ass looks fabulous without leggings and even if it were fat, I love the mother of my children.
Wired: We eliminated all the skinny customers and supported your right to abort your children before you gained weight and now these custom-tailored leggings make your ass look fabulous.
I'm beginning to think not just suffrage, but allowing women to control the majority of household spending for the better part of a century, if not more, was a mistake.
but allowing women to control the majority of household spending for the better part of a century
But think of all the money they saved us.
This is an article.
Look at my shocked face.
Wonder how they feel about transgender women?
And how forcefully did they celebrate pride month?
So this is the strongly worded letter we were warned about?
wait 'til the harassing means swords.
This was actually my original thought. Do we mean 'harassing' like repeatedly reminding them that no one was talking to them, repeatedly discussing or attempting to re-enact scenes from Mad Men, or repeatedly reminding them cover their faces or they chop off their hands?
Sure enough, harassed meaning 'reminding them that no one invited them':
FTC chief Lina Khan
Useful idiot or evil authoritarian?
Porque no los dos?
evil idiot.
Regulation of the internet is just as much a violation of freedom of communication as is regulation of newspapers.
The big distinction is that the internet can be interactive - newspapers can't apart from writing new articles or letters to the editor.
Reason 's failure to even bring the subject up is very disappointing !
Holy fuck, where does Koch find these retards?
All data collection done today is surveillance.
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>>Data collection is not the same as surveillance.
Fry meme with "can't tell if being sarcastic'
Wow, I have to admit you do indeed raise some valid points
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