A Mom Let Her 7-Year-Old Play in the Park. Arizona Arrested Her and Banned Her From Working With Kids.
Sarra's name was added to the government's official list of unfit caretakers after she briefly ran an errand without her kids in tow.

It was a pleasant November day in Tucson, Arizona, and Sarra needed to procure a Thanksgiving turkey. The COVID-19 pandemic was still raging—this was fall 2020, before vaccines had been made available—and the supermarket's policy was to discourage excess people from entering the premises.
Sarra thus opted to let her 7-year-old son and his 5-year-old friend play at the park while she ran the errand. She instructed the kids to wait for her by the jungle gym; taking note of an adult acquaintance teaching a tai chi class in the park, Sarra told her kids to consult the friend in the event of an emergency. She then left to buy her turkey.
"It seemed like a nice, calm day," says Sarra. (In order to protect her privacy, her full name is not being used.)
Leaving the kids behind was an easy decision, one any parent might have made. The park was safe and the errand was quick.
And yet the state of Arizona has decided that the incident demonstrates Sarra's unfitness to care for children. Leaving two kids to fend for themselves even briefly—in a perfectly safe public park, with an acquaintance nearby—was an act of negligence, in the state's view, and one that warrants Sarra's placement on a list called the Central Registry.
People who are on the Central Registry are prohibited from working with children, even in a volunteer capacity. The Central Registry violates basic tenets of due process in numerous ways: It is run by an administrative agency, the Department of Child Safety (DCS), and the standard for placement on the Central Registry is probable cause—mere suspicion of wrongdoing, in other words.
"That's the standard the government uses to get a search warrant," says Timothy Sandefur, an attorney and vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute. "That's really outrageous."
The Goldwater Institute, a conservative and libertarian think tank, and the Pacific Legal Foundation (PLF), a libertarian public interest law firm, have filed a motion on Sarra's behalf to prevent the Central Registry from adding her name to its list—or to remove her name if it's already there. (The list is so shrouded in secrecy that it's hard to tell.) If unsuccessful, Sarra's name will enter the registry for the next 25 years. "It's really shocking," she says.
She was in the middle of shopping when a friend found her in the store and informed her that the police were with the kids. She raced back to the park, where the police arrested her on suspicion of endangering a minor. This was surprising, given that the children were never in any danger whatsoever—and no one had claimed they were.
Though there's not an explicit law against letting kids play by themselves in a public park, Arizona's minor delinquency laws are especially vague. And even in states where the laws are clearer, parents are customarily prosecuted for leaving kids at home, letting them walk to school by themselves, or dropping them off at the playground for a few minutes of unmonitored play. Thus Sarra joined the ranks of the Meitiv parents, Melissa Henderson, Megan McMurry, and so many others across the country who were wrongly punished by law enforcement for entrusting kids with reasonable levels of autonomy.
Sarra ultimately worked out a plea deal, in which the prosecutor would drop the charges if she took a parenting class.
"I was told you just take this one class and they'll drop everything, it will all go away," she says. "But it doesn't really go away."
That's because the police are one matter, and DCS is another. The department operates all on its own and can take action against a parent whether or not the cops file charges.
Moreover, the procedures in DCS trials bear little resemblance to actual courts of law, which have rules of evidence and require a presumption of innocence. Sarra's case went before a DCS administrative law judge with the sole power to decide her fitness as a parent—a "hired bureaucrat," according to Sandefur, who described the treatment of parents like Sarra as fundamentally unfair.
"It violates a large number of constitutional protections that are supposed to ensure that innocent people are not railroaded for allowing their children to play outside for half an hour," he says.
Particularly concerning, notes Sandefur, is the unbelievably low threshold for finding a parent unfit: probable cause. The situation reminds him of civil asset forfeiture abuses, in which police seize property from people merely suspected of crimes. Victims of civil asset forfeiture often have great difficulty recouping their losses, even though in many cases they are never actually convicted of underlying crimes. Police took $8,040, for instance, from a Rochester, New York, woman after raiding her apartment. The cops were investigating her former boyfriend, and never charged her with a crime; they did keep the money, though.
Similarly, parents who were never convicted of child endangerment—nor even reasonably accused of ever putting a child in harm's way—can nevertheless be prohibited from taking care of children in the state of Arizona.
"You have a system that allows the government to blacklist people based on irrational assertions of harming children," says Sandefur.
DCS procedures are especially illiberal in that the department's director can overrule an administrative judge and place a person on the Central Registry even if the judge ruled in the person's favor.
After a "kangaroo" hearing that Sarra describes as a mere formality—it was a foregone conclusion DCS would determine the probable cause threshold had been reached, she says—her name was slated for registration. She appealed that decision, and now with Goldwater and PLF's help, she expects her case to reach the Superior Court in the coming months. If they lose there, they will appeal all the way up to the state Supreme Court, says Sandefur.
In the meantime, Sarra's pending designation as a menace to children hasn't fazed the Sunday school where she teaches.
"They said, 'Don't worry about it, we're not going to listen to DCS,'" she recalls. The Central Registry is evidently so vast that organizations working with children can't even rely on it. Sarra said she saw an estimate that one in every 100 Arizonans is on the list for one reason or another.
"It's so crazy," she says. "Either we're all criminals, or the law is not quite right."
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But kids can change their gender without parents approval.
Because that's not endangerment, that's enlightenment, encouraging the misgendered to find their true identity.
Or get an abortion.
No one of any age should be forced to remain pregnant against her will.
Oh shut up. No one is forced to become pregnant (save for the rare person who gets pregnant from rape). It is a choice to put someone's penis in your snatch and let someone ejaculate without proper protection. And this supposed libertarian argument is so stupid. Why don't you just apply this to anything anyone does that's a poor choice.. it makes just as much sense: "no one should be forced to pay back a debt against their will." "No one should be forced to take care of a child against their will (logical conclusion: they should end it's life, whatever the age)."
There are responsibilities people need to accept in life. This non-liberytarian idea that no one should have any responsibility to another human based on their actions is the thought process of a cucumber.
So, I assume you're against age of consent laws. Pervert.
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This guy is completely off topic and so are you.
This guy believes in free will instead of cause and effect! Look everyone, a fucking believer is here!
If anything should be considered safe to be making poor choices, it should be sex. We didn’t evolve to dominate the world with prudent and reasoned sexual encounters (is that even possible?). No one plans to have a baby except for people that can’t have one.
Killing your child is your god given right. Just like abandoning your kid at the park is too. No crime, no foul unless something bad happens. If nothing bad happens, it should be overlooked and everyone should mind their own business.
Terminating a pregnancy by abortion is probably the most humane thing you can do - aborters should be heralded. We got enough idiots here anyway.
Don't you mean "against his or her will"?
No.
Retard Conservative state.
The world is laughing at AmeriKKKa.
If you think this has to do with Conservatives, you are the r3t@rd.
Age 5-7, in the 1950's, my mother was home every day. She allowed me to wander about with other kids and on my own, every day, during summer. My super power was my sense of direction. I never got lost, even once, and was careful taking risks. I could be gone for a couple of hours, no problem, no worry. I wasn't the only kid doing that. Good thing there were no bears in our woods, as they might resent me eating up the berries.
The response by the state was way to harsh, but it was completely wrong to leave a 7 yo and a 5 yo alone in a park. Pointing out someone you know who is nearby and busy teaching a class does not cut it.
it was completely wrong to leave a 7 yo and a 5 yo alone in a park.
Why?
The description of two people with an unrelated third person teaching a class of people in the immediate vicinity as "alone" is kinda interesting from a psychological wellness point of view.
Even if the third person were teaching tai chi in the park over Zoom, the description of two people, with an unrelated third person and a class of people watching over Zoom as "alone" is still kinda interesting from a psychological wellness point of view.
How is it different than parents telling their child to to go to teacher, a police officer or an available adult at a children's function if they need help or assistance?
It’s not our fault your kids are stupid.
I used to walk to kindergarten alone when i was a kid in Sacramento. that was the 60's though and apparently we were a stronger breed of kid back then
I walked alone to and from 1st grade in the 80s at ~6yo.
I don't think the kids have changed. I think the Karens have changed.
90s here. And same. Mom took us to kindergarten. We walked to first grade at 6 (brother was 7). To and from school.
Like I pointed out below, the Amber Hagerman case really fucked up the whole concept of parenting and letting kids go out on their own to explore the world around them.
Better to keep them locked up and their activities highly curated, because that type of over-parenting couldn't possibly cause social maladaptation later on.
Same. Early 80s-- started walking to school alone when I was 5. Every once in a while, my dad would pick me up on his motorcycle-- he handed me my helmet and I climbed on the back and held him while he drove the few blocks.
Boy. You were the cool kid amongst your friends I'll bet.
No, the gd gov has changed the laws because everyone is too lazy to call them out or too dumb to let emotion usurp their freedom.
Me too. In Concord, CA.
Through all of grade and intermediate school. I even rode my bicycle to my high school seven miles away from my house part of the time I attended there.
The risk in my doing so was probably far less than the risks in my later carpooling with a nearby 16 year old that had his license or driving myself to school most of my senior and junior year. I mean, I can name three kids that were killed in car accidents traveling to or from my High School in the four years I attended. And that school had less than 600 students. Go figure.
Interestingly enough, there was a rumor that went around when I was in second or third grade that a child had been kidnapped right on one of the streets I used to get home. So, us kids, we took it upon ourselves to walk in a group together and to look out for those 'kidnappers". Without any parental instruction to do so.
Probably because there was no kidnapping that had taken place and it was just some telephone effect, exaggeration of something that really did happen.
Of course, we'd all tell scary "real stories" about kidnappings during our group walks as kids are prone to do. 🙂
Moron. People like you are the problem .
^ modern lefty ladies and gentleman
Leaving a 7 year old in the park where nothing bad happened is wrong but a parent should be allowed to chemically castrate their children without the state butting in.
Thanks for giving us further evidence that you are retarded
I think this more accurate and likely the next step by the tyranny of the nanny state:
- the state should be allowed to chemically castrate their children without the parents butting in.
Children can make this decision for themselves - of course with proper coaching and coercion of teachers who have absolutely no agenda at all. (sarcasm)
Please explain how it’s so wrong? You seriously never played outside when you were 5 without constant parental supervision? Kind of pathetic if that’s the case.
Thanks for that! I too played outside my entire young life. Within limits as to time, distance and place imposed by my parents of course.
But, now I'm a grandfather and between my wife and my daughter, you'd think that my 7 y/o granddaughter can never be out of site of one of them or me, even for a single minute because, someone will snatch her up and sell her into sexual slavery.
"It happens every day you know!" And, "It's not like when you were a kid".
Yes, they really say and believe that.
In *Tucson*? Seriously? I grew up there. I've lived in every part of that city - the only place that is somewhat unsafe is downtown after dark.
That's when the hobos come out.
They mostly come at night. Mostly.
After sundown is when all the weirdos turn crazy.
The freaks come out at night
It's worse when the moon is full. Or there's clouds and no stars. Or when it's a Friday, Saturday, or the 31st of the month. Or if it's drizzling, and when a thunderstorm or dust storm are nearby.
Game over, man. Game over.
I guess we'll just count you out of everything.
Stfu newt. Worst role since jar jar fucked it up,
Try downtown Oakland, CA where I used to work. Bustling and busy during the day.
Wilding after dark.
It's crazy!
Near the freeway it is bad too. Such as near Menlo Park.
Well, the southside moreso.
She wasn't put in prison so I guess we're making progress?
The government in Tucson is very left. Not shocked to see a leftist agree with their actions.
I am disappointed in the state as well. CPS is a mess in Arizona, filled with social majors out of college. They have always acted badly. They will leave kids with abusive parents but then go after parents like Sarra.
I've learned to never argue with a person holding an MSW. They know everything about helping others and I, a peon, can't understand.
re: "it was completely wrong to leave a 7 yo and a 5 yo alone in a park"
First, that's not what happened. But even if it did happen exactly that way, it's not wrong at all. What's "completely wrong" is denying the children's right to explore, grow and become competent, self-reliant members of society. Your fear-mongering is not a proper basis for social policy at any level.
"denying the children's right to explore, grow and become competent, self-reliant members of society."
Those children grow up and create the kinds of adults that brought us the COVID response
That seems like the plan these days.
What's "completely wrong" is denying the children's right to explore, grow and become competent, self-reliant members of society.
Those types get in the way of achieving the marxist utopia, though, as they tend to realize how nihilistic and detached from reality that philosophy is. Kids who are isolated and alienated make for much better subversives.
Apparently, objectively true, i.e. they were NOT "simply abandoned to fend for themselves". They would have been in greater danger at a school where the official govt security guards were either asleep at the wheel or too scared to do their duty when needed. OK, almost forgot, "officially safe" per the some official legal written regulation trumps common sense and parental care.
I think you may have a point about the five year old - esp. since that child was not Sarra's child.
However when I was 7 years old I lived in a good sized and fairly well known city in a large metropolitan area and was free to ride my bike on the sidewalks several blocks around our home without any supervision beyond "Be back by hh:mm" and (IIRC) roughly "Don't cross Ashby, College, or Alcatraz and only cross Claremont to go directly to or from the schoolyard". There wasn't even much possible adult oversight from "the village" as my parents held, and expressed freely, political views which were very unpopular in that area at the time (and still are today) so we knew very few people in the area.
This was not uncommon at all except for the political aspect which likely reduced the number of people who would see me and know me as "Jane's kid" and realize that we didn't have an "unmarked white van" that my dad would have picked me up in from the street.
Here we are over 50 years later and I'm still alive and well in spite of this "neglect". In fact, I think I'm better for it - it probably helped shape my views which lean libertarian as it introduced a notion of some freedom from oversight (although in many other ways I was subject to excessive oversight as a child so maybe it was that that shaped my views more - who knows?).
Blah blah blah. It is your fault the kids are considered so fragile. Your parents didn’t bring you into a world of surveillance and ridiculous laws did they? You shouldn’t be breeding,
Damn Berkeley hippies! 🙂
Is it riskier than putting them in a car? Nope.
Is it riskier than having a pool? Nope.
Is it riskier than having a firearm in the house? Nope.
Is it riskier than having a dog? Nope.
All of the examples I cited above are far more statistically likely to cause a child's death or injury than abduction or molestation by a stranger, but we don't give them any thought.
Life is full of risks and learning to navigate those is part of growing up. It's GOOD for child development to be alone and learn to negotiate them. I'm glad I'm not a child these days. All the fun would be taken out of life.
When I was around 7 or 8, we used to get a black garbage bag and get inside of it with our heads and arms hanging out, so we looked dead and sprawl on the side of the country road until a car would stop, then we would get up and run shrieking into the woods. It was so insanely fun. Pretty dangerous on many levels, but extremely fun.
My friend tells the story of a couple who got their children removed for having a curious 3-year-old. He walked out of the house, walked a few doors down, and started to play in a neighbor's yard. I don't know if it took a few years or what, but a divorce and lots of other things happened before it was all said and done.
But if a parent is doing hard drugs in the same CPS system, and use all their child support on drugs and not clothes or food, they can keep their kids.
Yes! I was a "good" kid and stayed out of trouble for the most part.
But damn, when I think of some of the crazy things my friends and I did when we were grade school aged, I wonder how I made it past 8th grade intact and without serious injury.
Oh, wait. I did get into a bicycle accident at my cousin's in Marin when I was 9, fractured my skull and had bleeding in my cranium.
I was unconscious for five days and almost died. I have no recollection of the incident other than the previous Sunday night when my parents left me with my aunt and waking up Friday in a hospital in Marin.
My little sister says it explains why I'm "mental" to this day.
"it was completely wrong to leave a 7 yo and a 5 yo alone in a park" No. No it wasn't.
Baseless statement. Engage your brain next time.
No it isn't. Until very recently when a certain generation of paranoid control freak parents came about, kids used to play in the park all day without their parents. And no, there aren't more stranger abductions now than there used to be. There is just more coverage. In fact. they say that child abduction is *less* common than it was 30 to 50 years ago. The difference is the level of paranoia and hysteria.
Children have been left alone far longer than it takes to get a turkey and they generally survive. It's not like someone's going to scream up in a van in broad daylight and grab kids in the middle of a public park.
If you belive that you're the huge nanny- state advocate here. Go back to the that left pages where you belong.
Sarra said she saw an estimate that one in every 100 Arizonans is on the list for one reason or another.
This is nationwide, and it doesn't take much. An ex says something nasty during a custody dispute and guess what, the accused is banned from occupations that could put them into contact with children. Happens all the time.
If EVERYONE is on the list, then NO ONE is on the list.
Right?
Don't worry. We're all on a list.
No. Wrong.
That only works with superpowers.
Yeah, when Megan's Law took affect, I was apathetic.
Then, years later, I actually took a look at it. When perusing the descriptions of the actual crimes of registered sex offenders who lived near me, I noticed that many of them appeared to have had sex with someone under the age of consent but, they too would have been under, or just at the 18 year old mark. That's just ridiculous. Not that I encourage teenage sex. But, really?
Just yesterday, Ring noticed me that a registered sex offender had moved in near me. I have a Ring security system. That's just off the rails. Little fact. Lots of scare tactics.
Eh, it's Tucson town, Soave.
"Either we're all criminals, or the law is not quite right."
I don't think you understand how this authoritarianism thing works. "Both" is always an option.
On the plus side, she gave the bureaucracy another opportunity to claim existence justification.
It wasn't enough to say "please don't do that again"?
"You mean, without writing it down? How are we supposed to know who's been warned once and who hasn't, telepathy?" - chemjeff
Five years old? At a park?
She is an unfit parent. Perhaps, with help, she could become an adequate parent. Until then, her children deserve protection better adults can provide.
It sounds like she still hasn't learned her lesson. I hope her children overcome the bad draw at birth.
Too bad your kids never overcame theirs, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib.
My children have advanced degrees.
Now be nicer, or I might instruct my children not to hire your children to wash the vehicles or work on landscaping. And then where would your children get the handful of street pills they need to navigate another desolate day in the deplorable, uneducated, right-wing backwaters?
My children have advanced degrees.
Clown College doesn't count as a degree, hicklib.
Now be nicer, or I might instruct my children not to hire your children to wash the vehicles or work on landscaping
Open wide, hicklib, you're about to get more repressive tolerance shoved down your throat sideways.
And then where would your children get the handful of street pills they need to navigate another desolate day in the deplorable, uneducated, right-wing backwaters?
If it's one thing Arthur L. Hicklib knows about, it's living in deplorable backwaters.
I was raised in a town with plenty of uneducated, bigoted losers.
I left the day of high school graduation and never returned.
This experience enables me to understand backward, bigoted, half-educated hayseeds -- and the deplorable backwaters they inhabit -- better than most of my current (educated, reasoning, accomplished) neighbors. Most of my colleagues, friends, and neighbors have little sense of the level of dysfunction, ignorance, superstition, bigotry, addiction, backwardness, gullibility, disaffectedness, and indolence that afflicts our rural stretches, southern communities, and small, declining towns.
Elitist assh01e.
I was raised in a town with plenty of uneducated, bigoted losers.
Yeah, you saw one every time you looked in the mirror, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib.
Most of my colleagues, friends, and neighbors have little sense of the level of dysfunction, ignorance, superstition, bigotry, addiction, backwardness, gullibility, disaffectedness, and indolence that afflicts our rural stretches, southern communities, and small, declining towns.
Why would they? They just need to hear you speak to see how bad it it is.
So when you get old and sick and you can't wipe your butt, will your rich, elitist neighbors stop reading the New York Times and golfing to do that for you? Will they grow the crops and work in the Tesla factory? Maybe they will drive an 18-wheeler full of medical supplies (masks and nose wipes) for you. And they will clean your nasty foley bag and mop the floor for you? Will they haul the medical waste, work on the water treatment plant, and fix your air conditioner?
If not, I'm sure they will at least visit you in your old folks home and tell you how much they couldn't stand you but they felt sorry for your wife having to put up with your narcissistic drivel for so long.
Advanced degrees in gender studies doesn't count, sparky. And no one believes your children, if you actually have them, could think their way out of a nut sack.
Moronic comment. Really, calling someone unfit for leaving a child with another older child in a public park for a short period of time is rather, ahem, paternalistic of you, don't you think?
A seven-year-old with a five-year-old. Away from home. Five blocks from the mother.
This situation needed adult supervision. Better Americans provided it. Disaffected losers, anti-government cranks, and antisocial malcontents apparently resent it.
A seven-year-old with a five-year-old. Away from home. Five blocks from the mother.
In a park. With an adult nearby.
This situation needed adult supervision.'
Hey, look, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib--just because you can't wipe your own ass without the government providing you with an instruction manual, doesn't mean that a seven-year-old and a five-year-old can't handle themselves for 30 minutes in a public park.
Dude....
two unescorted five year olds walking three blocks (I think, there were several streets to cross - "look both ways!") to kindergarten (even in the winter, in Buffalo!) .... and we lived to tell the tale!
Yeah, maybe she should have aborted them. Then she could be celebrated by dolts like you.
Perhaps if she had aborted them, instead, you'd be celebrating her parenting skill, you illogical clown.
Are you a member of Libertarians For Statist Womb Management And Big-Government Micromanagement Of Ladyparts Clinics, like most authoritarian right-wing culture war casualties.
I sense your position was precipitated by adult-onset superstition.
Tell your kids we're sorry you're their dad.
If I were Robby, I'd be looking over my shoulder for Lenore Skenazy's goons coming for a "talk" about you selling on her corner.
LOL!
She left the kids by themselves and a half-hour later there's the cops. I don't know how you can say they were in no danger, who knows what could have happened if someone hadn't warned her that the cops were sniffing around the kids? Your kids are about as safe with cops as they are with Joe Biden.
I don’t know about where you live but 30 minutes is an awesome response time around here. There have been police response times measured with a calendar.
Where I live, there are plenty of incidents with NO response. Things like burglary, auto accidents, etc.
Unless there is gunshots or blood, they're will be no police response.
I wish I could make more of my neighbors understand this and get us all to be more proactive. But, until it happens to them, they just think all you have to do is sit inside and call the police.
She's lucky the cops didn't shoot her kids. Come to think of it she really was putting them in danger.
Perhaps child protection and law enforcement authorities could respond to Sarra's lawsuit by rescinding the plea agreement and providing an opportunity for her to test her contentions at trial.
Perhaps you could get the full Huber, hicklib.
Not that it will get that far, but a jury trial is absolutely what she should be after.
For starters, everyone should always ask for one when given the choice. The judicial system will grind to a halt, it's about the only method that might actually get government to realize they've made too much stuff illegal.
Secondly, there's not a snowball's chance in hell you're getting 12 people to convict this woman for this.
I admire your faith. A jury of 12 Karens is a real possibility.
You understand jury selection. Lowest common denominator. Lowest IQ. Easily led by figures in authority.
She took the coward's route when was time for a jury trial, and dodged it with a plea bargain -- with respect to which this loser is now attempting to renege.
I hope her children overcome having such a lousy mother.
Unfortunately, the same can't be said for your cloven-hoofed spawn.
God, you're stupid.
Slack-jawed right-wing misfits tend to resent their betters.
Until replacement, that is.
Carry on, clingers. So far and so long as your betters permit.
Tell your kids we're sorry you're their dad.
Arizona in the news!
Hot topic
I'm always quite satisfied when the Lamestream Media (patent pending) recognizes things going down in the best state in the fucking union.
And a Tucson specific article? The superior city (in all but management and governance and economy) in Arizona? Fucking amazing.
She raced back to the park, where the police arrested her on suspicion of endangering a minor.
Talk about burying the lede. According to BLM, arresting George Floyd based on testimony that he passed counterfeit money was wrong and was the cause of his death. Arresting a woman for suspicion of child endangerment when the police are with the kids and can see with their own eyes beyond a shadow of a doubt that the children are not harmed is somehow not the worst thing in this whole situation?
Definitive proof that we are already living in a police state and Robby is bickering about whose name is on what list.
But they were in danger—they were with cops.
Wait, what color was everyone’s skin?
Bingo!
In California, if the kids had been non-white, there wouldn't have been anything to talk about.
How are we supposed to have an informed opinion if we don’t know who she voted for, what her pronouns are, her victim intersectionality(s), what race she is, and her vaccination status. Honestly Reason do better. So many relevant facts left out.
Jesus Christ--the Amber Hagerman case really did fuck up the psyches of two generations of parents. Ours would get thrown in jail for some of the shit that was considered normal childhood activity back then.
I still wonder. It's a bad trend in that it represents a general loss of trust in our society. A lot of problems we have today are based around said breakdown of societal trust.
High-trust societies are built around a common civic/cultural consensus, but that went out the window when the various neo-marxist inspired academic theories went from the college campus to the mainstream the last 30-odd years. That's a philosophy which is functionally predicated on eternal cultural revolution, not stability.
Trust diminished, but also children have become rarer and hence objects of greater societal concern.
I'd say media consumption is the larger culprit, especially in the post-smartphone era.
Hey, where I live, the majority of people are sans children. It was really nice and peaceful. Until recently. Some damn free wheeling parents with two kids moved in next door. Now I've got a neighborhood trampoline six feet from my bedroom window with screaming kids going all the time. My sidewalk and mailbox have been graffitied up with brightly colored chaulk. There is a basketball hoop in the street. My back yard is full of foam bullets, nerf boards, small toys.
I now completely understand why empty nesters move into retirement communities.
Maybe Hillary and her "village" will take this miscreants in and teach the parents that sending their kids up to the park to play might be the civilized thing to do.
That and the Catholic Church hiding child molesters. I know that one did it for me.
Kids are a lot more likely to get diddled by an authority figure at school than Catholic choir boys are by pedo priests.
My late father told me that the Church quietly did the same thing when he was just a kid, back in the 1940s. A priest suddenly disappearing with no explanation, was one of those things that everyone understood, but never talked about.
And, reading some history, it appears to have been going on since the beginning.
What psychiatrist was it that said that one denies their own sexuality at their own peril?
It really doesn't matter if they indoctrinate you in college because they also teach the critical thinking skills you can use to rid yourself of any dogma.
Or you could sucker your face to rightwing media and absorb every single lie they shove in your pie hole.
Ditto for progressive media Tony. You are the resident proof here.
A friend worked at a sandwich shop that also sold beer. A man came in, bought beer, showed his ID and left. Out in the parking lot he gave the beer to some kids who were under age. The Police caught them and charged my friend who was working the register at the time. There were witnesses who stated that she didn't sell the beer to the kids and the charges were dropped. At the time she was finishing college to be a teacher. Since she was CHARGED not convicted she is on a State list that won't allow her to be a teacher. This was in 1991 and as far as I know she's still on the list.
Attention kids: there is only one reason an adult man will buy alcohol for you.
For 10 bucks?
Or they could just "paying it forward" because someone bought some booze for them when they were under 21. Aren't we all supposed to "pay it forward" in today speak?
Or, because they idolized that scene in the movie "American Graffiti"?
"It's so crazy," she says. "Either we're all criminals, or the law is not quite right."
Show me the person, I'll tell you the crime...
Back in the 1960s and 70s when I was a child, my siblings and I (and/or several children of neighbors) walked a mile to and from elementary school (without any parents) every day from grades 1 to 6 (except for some rainy days when a neighbor would give us a ride in his car while on his way to work).
Meanwhile, we played in several different playgrounds and parks (without any parents), including a park one mile away from our house, on most evenings and weekends
Seems like local governments (as well as the federal and state governments) have declared war on children, families, freedom and common sense.
What R people out to have whimsy kids & Adult Kids‼️
It is perfectly fine to be left alone to play in the park alone.
I used to play in the neighbourhood riding bikes at 5-6 Ride to friends houses by myself and also walk to and from school all by myself it was perfectly fine!
Those working with children lists / Checks and Working with children cards ???? Are just another permit / license for government/Council to make money and invade peoples privacy + If you hold a working with Children check / card the Police can search your home at anytime (bypassing unreasonable search protections) without warrant as consent is provided by application and continuing to hold a Child Safe check card.
Absolutely unclear how this is not outside due process of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment.
Those have been repealed.
I walked to school at the age of five, but did so with a small group of kids from the neighborhood, and none of the moms were concerned at all. That was back in the 1950s, when things were safer. In the late 1980s, my children walked to kindergarten as part of a small group. Sometimes several mothers had to be away at once, so as long as at least one mom was available to deal with issues, everyone was OK with that. In this case, there was a responsible adult available, and the kids knew to go to that person if necessary. Children can, and are, raised by more than one person. This mother ensured that there was some supervision of her child and his friend, and that should be sufficient. My fear is, how will this affect young babysitters, or kids in the tween years watching their younger siblings while Mom is away? If the mothers are to be charged for leaving their children in the hands of other children, who cannot be responsible, no one would dare have anyone under 18 take care of their kids.
That was back in the 1950s, when things were safer.
That is false. Children (and adults) are safer today than ever. Lenore has written extensively about this.
Don't you hate when people say crap like this?
I think you'll find the majority of people do say that there is more child related perversion these days. That has always been the case in any group I've been with when the subject comes up and if I argue that it just isn't so; that media coverage is greater but not the actual occurrence; that there are riskier things in children's lives; I'm attached and silenced by the mob.
Excellent question.
My then girl friend and I used to babysit two boys aged 3 and 5 for some neighbors we were good friends with in the 1980s.
Then, the McMartin preschool case and the similar hysteria cases came along. It reminded me of a time when I was only eight or ten years old and I was accused of child molestation. There had been no such molestation and, I wasn't even involved in what did happen. But, the aftermath, even though I was exonerated, left me very aware of how quickly you can be ostracized and outcast, even if the story was untrue.
I ended up making excuses to not baby sit for those friends anymore. I just couldn't take the chance of being accused of some heinous activity.
Robby, I just emailed Timothy Sandefur at the Goldwater Institute and offered the participation of ParentsUSA either as co-counsel or as an amicus in any proceeding where an amicus brief could be filed. Please email me and/or contact Timothy to ensure he receives my email. The email address for him on his bio is shown simply as: info@goldwaterinstitute.org (which is why I am asking you).
As you may recall, ParentsUSA represents Melissa Henderson, reference to whom you made in your article about "Sarra."
Thanks.
David DeLugas
E: david.delugas@parentsusa.org
Clingers gonna cling.
Hicklibs gonna ooga-booga.
Arizona: "Our parks aren't safe for children, so we're arresting parents who bring their kids to our parks."
So, sue the state for not providing safer parks and use this case as evidence.
Barry Goldwater would die of shame!
this country has become a country of pussies. when i was a kid i came home from school and was alone until my parents came home from work. after dinner we were gone on our bikes to do what ever kids did then, but certainly unsupervised. the notion that kids needs to have their hands held 24 hours a day is ridiculous. it's no wonder we have a new generation that suffers from constant anxiety and think they deserve a world free from offense.
Yeah. I was a latchkey kid before the term was invented.
And my working mother was a radical feminist before we had that term too.
You can just ask any of the stay-at-home moms in the neighborhood back then, if any are still alive. They used to gossip that my sister and I would become juvenile delinquents because after I turned 12 or so, we were on our own at home after school until both mom and dad returned from work.
My mom just laughed and said those gossips needed to get out and work and get a life.
Strolling around this afternoon, checking out the Little Libraries...
A young woman with baby in stroller crossed the street ahead of me, stopped on the corner, realized that Junior had voted with his hand, and something had been discarded a block away. She locked the stroller wheels, left Junior on his own, and headed back down the street.
Well, of course, I'm at least five 9s confident that this is fine, but I wander a bit further into a shady spot and lounge around a little, keeping an eye on things. A driver came along, saw what was happening, and also pulled over where he could keep up with events in his rear-view mirror.
The young mother really was the best part of a block away when she found the discarded and headed back.
My biggest concern was that a cop might drive by. Glad it didn't happen.
I do have problems with Sarra leaving the five year old with her own acquaintance. I've no problem with her making this decision regarding her own child but the other parent chose to trust Sarra yet she took it on herself to leave another parent's child with someone else.
This represents the continued idiocy of our governments. I played at the school around a big corner from my parents house. Same place I went to kindergarten. My parents left me home at 12 and 13 for a few weeks at a time with only the neighbors to kind of keep an eye on me. I knew how to cook, clean, and fend for myself. And I worked, paper route, warehouse when they were gone. Now they'd put them in jail, but I could always fend for myself because of this. Now we prefer to stick kids in a bubble, then agonize when they can't fend for themselves. What jackasses we have become.
Isn't Arizona supposed to be a small-gubmint state?
Tucson - hardly represents all of Arizona, any more than NYC represents all of New York state...
Just to be sure that I understand this. Leaving your 7 year old alone for a half hour in a park with an adult nearby is child endangerment and proof that you are a bad parent. But sending your 14 year old daughter to a school where they will arrange for her to be shot full of testosterone and get a double mastectomy is being a good parent? Or are you a bad parent if you object to having your child mutilated?
I am really glad that my kids are grown up. If someone did that to my daughter, I would be performing some surgery of my own on the people responsible.
I'm glad your kids are grown up too. Before you discovered FOX News, if they're really lucky.
Trans people aren't a problem in this country. They just aren't. You need to step back and listen to how ridiculous you sound.
They're selling you a salacious culture war, just like they do every single fucking election because they have no better ideas.
The people who preach gender fluidity to children and encourage them to transition without parental knowledge or consent out to concern even you...
ought
Fauci's latest report indicates that orange rind does not, repeat NOT remove green scum from teeth.
Uh, he didn't say that they were. He said that a school having the authority to arrange such for a 14 year old without parental consent was.
But, you knew that. Didn't you. And chose to accuse and blame it on FOX news.
Arizona needs a Free Range Children's bill like the one in Utah. Luckily, Lenore Skenazy and other activists are working on making that happen.
She should have given them guns if they wanted to be really safe.
Just as long as it's not books that mention periods or gay people.
Just as long as it's not books that mention periods or gay people.
They get that at school by teachers and administrators who are grooming them so that when they reach age 12 you can fuck them. Why deprive them of their first homosexual experience just like you had?
Tony wants Republicans to again focus on bullying girls, shooting brown people and robbing and caging hippies and free traders. Then again, burning Beatles albums and books worked for Wallace and Hitler...
The answer that solves all the problems listed here, Reduce the size of the government.
All of it.
Parents need to start filing criminal charges against the individual decision makers who make these sorts of decisions for violating their Constitutional rights (10 years per charge). Simple and reasonable acts of adult judgement should never be subject to "State review and action." Sadly, once these petty bureaucrats get a taste of power they invariably want to come back for more - the only way to put a stop to it is for a few dozen to end up in Federal penitentiaries for a few decades, serving as an example to the others.
Mo, "you kids go outside and play in the park. It is a beautiful day." Gov't, you are under arrest. My folks and all of my friends folks would have arrest records.
But, but, but.....everything they need to know is on the internet. They can safely do that inside.
Infuriating. Every person in America hates nanny government, but there is a bloated heavy handed dcs bureaucracy in every state.
Brilliant of Reason to have Lenore ghosting articles for Robby!
No wonder there is a whole generation of adults who have trouble coping with everyday life. You don't suddenly become an adult at 18. It takes 18 years of training. Land of the who? And home of the what?
Does the “supermarket policy” include abandoning 7 year olds?