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Reason Roundup

Federal Appeals Court Upholds College Degree Requirement for Child Care Staff

Plus: how voters respond to vague criticism, U.S. lawmakers still at war with TikTok, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 8.15.2022 9:34 AM

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A federal court has allowed a burdensome licensing requirement for child care workers to stand. In 2016, D.C.'s Office of the State Superintendent of Education passed a rule requiring all child care professionals to have a college degree. The rule—which applies to staff at day care centers and at some home-based child care operations—says workers must have at least an associate degree in a field related to early childhood education and that workers who already have a college degree in some other subject must complete early child education courses.

The education requirement was supposed to take effect in 2020, but has been postponed in part because of a lawsuit filed by two D.C. child care workers—Altagracia Sanchez and Dale Sorcher—and one parent, Jill Homan. Sanchez is an immigrant from the Dominican Republican who is licensed to watch children in her home and has a law degree from a school in her home country but no U.S. college degree. Sorcher teaches children ages zero to three at a child development center and has multiple college degrees but none in early childhood education. Sanchez, Sorcher, and Homan are represented by the Institute for Justice (IJ).

A U.S. district court dismissed the suit, and IJ appealed. Now the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has affirmed the judgment of the lower court.

In one perplexing part of the decision, the judges defend the associate degree requirement—which compels people to take a variety of classes unrelated to education or children—by noting that "even if some elective courses might have limited relevance to aspiring childcare workers…a variety of courses outside the early-childhood major, from math and English to art and history, could be beneficial to someone tasked with the educational development of toddlers—as any adult who has been flummoxed by a two-year-old repeatedly asking 'why' can attest."

"If the government can force you to take college classes in anything a two-year-old might ask about before you can take care of toddlers for a living, the government can do just about anything," said IJ attorney Bob McNamara in a press release. "The question for D.C. regulators—and for D.C. parents—is why in the world they would want to."

The ruling could put longtime child care professionals out of work and drive up child care prices in a city where they're already the highest in the country. It also threatens to turn a lot of home-based child care providers into outlaws.

"Today's ruling clears the way for D.C. officials to go forward with their initial plan to throw countless loving, experienced childcare providers out of work because they don't have the right piece of paper to change a child's diapers," said IJ attorney Renée Flaherty in the group's press release.

The court's decision may also encourage other cities or states considering a rule like D.C.'s. As the court notes, D.C. "issued its regulations in part based on a report from the National Academies recommending a bachelor's degree requirement for all educators of children ages zero to eight."


FREE MINDS

A new paper looks at how voters can be persuaded—and challenges some conventional wisdom about campaigning. Study co-author David Broockman details the findings in this Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/dbroockman/status/1557782679571120133

One thing Broockman and co-author Joshua L. Kalla tested was the effect of vague critiques versus informational statements.

"Vague statements were largely from real campaigns—broadside attacks that aren't specific and substantiated. An incredible amount of campaign attacks are super vague," tweeted Broockman. They tested this against more informational messages, which many in politics believe to be inferior at persuasion.

But while conventional wisdom says facts don't change minds, "that's not what we find," Broockman wrote. "More specific & factual treatments were much more effective!"

https://twitter.com/dbroockman/status/1557782724026552320


FREE MARKETS

U.S. lawmakers are still at war with TikTok. The exceedingly popular video app, owned by the Chinese company ByteDance, was a major target of President Donald Trump's ire. And "while the app appeared to fade as a political flashpoint after Mr. Trump left office last year, lawmakers and government officials have privately grown frustrated over the Biden administration's lack of progress in policing TikTok," The New York Times reports.

The concern—which has never made much sense—is that TikTok user data will be leaked to the Chinese government for some sort of nefarious purpose. This fear is part of larger paranoia around Americans using foreign apps. More from the Times:

With more than one billion users, TikTok has become a prime engine for cultural phenomena, like the scores of young people who posted last month about dressing in suits to see the latest "Minions" movie. Today, 67 percent of 13- to 17-year-olds in the United States use the app, according to a report last week from the Pew Research Center….

The White House may be preparing to act soon on broader policy around apps that could expose data to foreign adversaries. Earlier this year, it circulated a draft of an executive order that would give the government more power to intercede in cases where data is at risk of being exposed to an adversary. The Biden administration is also expected to issue guidance soon for a committee that vets transactions involving foreign companies, telling it to be especially sensitive to cases that could expose Americans' data to other governments. It is also considering ways to review whole classes of potentially risky deals, rather than approaching them on an individual basis.


QUICK HITS

• Less than two weeks after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sparked Beijing's anger by visiting Taiwan, a delegation of U.S. lawmakers is now visiting the country. Between these visits and proposed pro-Taiwan legislation, Congress keeps making "dramatic gestures without considering the negative consequences for other US interests," Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the East-West Center, told Bloomberg News. Bloomberg notes that "China responded to Pelosi's trip by firing 11 missiles in to the seas around Taiwan, sanctioning the speaker and suspending a series of military and climate talks" with the U.S.

• California lawmakers have sabotaged a bill to decriminalize psychedelics. "The legislation on Thursday passed in the Assembly Appropriations Committee," reports the Los Angeles Times, "but was amended to become only a study of the decriminalization proposal."

• A man crashed his car into a U.S. Capitol security barricade early Sunday morning, then fired several shots in the air before shooting himself. The man's motive is still unclear.

• Former Louisville detective Kelly Goodlett—accused of falsifying the search warrant used to justify the 2020 raid on Breonna Taylor's house and then filing a false report to cover her tracks—is expected to plead guilty to federal charges.

• Author Salman Rushdie is doing better after being stabbed before a lecture in upstate New York. Rushdie "was taken off a ventilator and able to talk," the Associated Press reported yesterday.

• Legislation efforts from Students for Life of America and the National Right to Life Committee "illustrate how the antiabortion battlefront now reaches beyond traditional bills seeking criminal penalties for doctors who provide surgical abortions in hospitals or clinics, instead targeting organizations that assist women with mail-order abortion prescriptions and safety protocols for self-managed abortions," writes Kimberly Kindy at The Washington Post.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A federal court has allowed a burdensome licensing requirement for child care workers to stand.

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          1. R Mac   3 years ago

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        3. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

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          1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

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        4. Aloysious   3 years ago

          Anyone who hates Fisting is a philistine.

        5. BYODB   3 years ago

          You're one of the only user names I recognize from when I started posting here over a decade ago Fist, you never fail to entertain.

    2. Rubbish!   3 years ago

      So says the court which is only following earlier doctrine.

      1. damikesc   3 years ago

        I thought overturning precedents was a horrible, horrible thing to do.

    3. Roberta   3 years ago

      Something that bugs me about the modern world is how requirements like these diminish job flexibility for smart people. Many were the times I wanted to work at various things temporarily, but the requirements are set up to make it infeasible to get into many fields unless you make a career commitment to them. Only low-level, low-paying jobs for which smart people are overqualified, hence unhirable, are left. The requirements aren't always established governmentally, but that's a major part of the mix.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        You will be a serf, and own nothing

    4. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      Anything that punishes DC residents is a win in my book.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    An incredible amount of campaign attacks are super vague...

    I'm not sure how seriously I can take anyone who slaps the word "super" on his adjectives.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Like, totally.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      At least "super" is a descriptor that isn't subjective and vague

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        Maybe they are being objective and this is a super-set of vagueness.

    3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Well he was telepathically describing the campaign ads.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Sullims article was embarrassing.

    4. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      What if they are working with frequencies between 3ghz and 30 ghz Aka the super high frequency band (SHF)

    5. mad.casual   3 years ago

      The campaign attacks are Super Power Ninja Turbo Neo Ultra Hyper Mega Multi Alpha Meta Uber Prefix Vague!

      He is truly a champion of champions.

    6. Sevo   3 years ago

      "I'm not sure how seriously I can take anyone who slaps the word "super" on his adjectives."

      To make his point even superer, he coulda stuck "dude" in there.

    7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Don't you tween-talk? (Although users of tween-talk range well into their 30s)

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

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        1. Nardz   3 years ago

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  3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    "Today's ruling clears the way for D.C. officials to go forward with their initial plan to throw countless loving, experienced childcare providers out of work because they don't have the right piece of paper to change a child's diapers," said IJ attorney Renée Flaherty in the group's press release.

    It could be worse. They could lack proper government identification papers.

    1. Mockamodo   3 years ago

      The point is to make child care as hard to get as possible. Then politicians can be outraged at the heartless capitalists running day care and "save the day" with "free" government provided day care.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    U.S. lawmakers are still at war with TikTok.

    THOSE SEVEN ABORTION DANCES DID NOTHING.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Moloch wasn't pleased.

    2. THX1138   3 years ago

      THOSE SEVEN ABORTION DANCES DID NOTHING.

      As the great soul screamer Wilson Pickett let us know in 1966, it takes 1000 Dances.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mz_EXHKGHs

    3. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      Reason would lose their collective shit if the US were harvesting data the way China is.

      Of course the US government could never make anything so popular.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Reason would lose their collective shit if the US were harvesting data the way China is.

        :NSA looks around furtively::

        Seriously, though, that's the whole point of why the US government let these social media companies get as big as they are, and why they have to drag these CEOs in front of Congress every so often--so they can remind them who these guys actually work for.

    4. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      TIK TOK is a private company, owned by the Chinese government, they are free to do whatever they want.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...China responded to Pelosi's trip by firing 11 missiles in to the seas around Taiwan...

    The plan is to get them to expend their entire arsenal into the drink.

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      What did the seas do to them, I wonder.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Sploosh, plop, plop, plop, sploosh, splash, splash, sploosh, sploosh, sploosh, plop... Ha-ha, take that!

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I don't know. It could be like Father Guido Sarducci's plan to have all the Chinese people line up and march into the ocean.

  6. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    In reality they should ban any education major from working with children

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Yes!!

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      But how will they learn about anal sex and history without being called a racist?

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      There was an article about how a California school district spent 750 million the last few years transitioning reading lessons from phonics to cultural identity and the number of children who could read by 4th grade dropped to around 30%

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Yep because they all believe Palo frieri, a stupid trash Marxist that infected education departments.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        As a teacher in Oakland, Calif., Kareem Weaver helped struggling fourth- and fifth-grade kids learn to read by using a very structured, phonics-based reading curriculum called Open Court. It worked for the students, but not so much for the teachers. “For seven years in a row, Oakland was the fastest-gaining urban district in California for reading,” recalls Weaver. “And we hated it.”

        The teachers felt like curriculum robots—and pushed back. “This seems dehumanizing, this is colonizing, this is the man telling us what to do,” says Weaver, describing their response to the approach. “So we fought tooth and nail as a teacher group to throw that out.”

        It was replaced in 2015 by a curriculum that emphasized rich literary experiences. “Those who wanted to fight for social justice, they figured that this new progressive way of teaching reading was the way,” he says.

        https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          Because what's the point of reading if you're not using those skills to advance the Social Good? What kind of citizens are we putting out if they're not taught to read the Right Things?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            You joke, but these people unironically believe this. It's the whole point of Freirean pedagogy and CRT-centered curriculums--"If you're teaching literacy, you're part of the system that needs to be destroyed. Cultural literacy is just as good as phonics, don't worry, we'll teach about SOSHULL JIZZTIZZ experiences and they'll learn how to read by magic."

        2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

          That article is one of those where the reaction to reading it is that "this is too stupid to be real."

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            It's tough writing for the Babylon Bee or Onion when reality looks like that.

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              The Onion would never even think of writing such an article

              1. Ersatz   3 years ago

                ^this^

                Babylon Bee should be picked up by a network to compete with late night 'comedians' cobert and that mangina Kimmel

            2. HorseConch   3 years ago

              I love the Bee, but they have gone from incredible satire to predicting next week's news cycle. Still hilarious, though, but in a more depressing manner.

            3. Zeb   3 years ago

              That's why they needed to make the NotTheBee site.

              1. HorseConch   3 years ago

                NotTheBee is just the Bee, two weeks from now. I have friends on Facebook that are big enough morons to get completely triggered by the bee.

        3. DesigNate   3 years ago

          That didn’t happen. And even if it did, it’s a good thing.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            You forgot:

            — Pedo Jeffy

        4. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          Crazy story. Especially the paragraph about the teacher's cousin in prison. He got a break from the other inmates because he could read them their mail.

          And what was the primary skill the plantation owners didn't think the black slaves needed back in them olden times?

          Sad. Very sad.

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            Not accidental

          2. Griffin3   3 years ago

            The really sad part is, they know the right thing to do. They just don't.

            “I don’t think I anticipated going into [LETRS - phonics heavy curriculum] that I was going to be as triggered as I was,” says Yates.

            Ah yes, the language of feelz. But even she comes around:

            ... Instead, she too became increasingly convinced that Emily Hanford’s reporting was right. “We began to realize, Oh, there are some things that we’ve been doing that actually make it harder for children to learn to read,” she says.

            Okay, moving in the right direction, but:

            But retraining busy teachers takes a while and doesn’t necessarily change what they do in the classroom. “There are tens of thousands of schools in the United States, and nobody really monitors what goes on in those schools,” says Shanahan

            In private business, this would be simple. Objective testing. Your method works, good job, here's a little raise to reward you. Over here, your method doesn't work, you've been trained the right way to do it but you refuse, here's your pink slip.

            People on the twitters keep saying the only way to reform the public school system is to burn it to the ground. But really, ll parents have to do is insist the teachers get off their asses and do their jobs, and burn down the unions preventing that from happening. Start with the school boards, they are political animals, and not afraid to stab anyone in the back when the wind changes direction.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              The teachers union is the public education system, yes.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                And they're front and center in promoting their preferred school board candidates as well.

                This is why conservatives and libertarians abandoning these type of local institutions was such a stupid strategic move. Idiots like Bobby O'Rourke don't become national media darlings without making mischief at the local level first, and the school boards in particular became horribly political creatures after Obama was elected.

                This is another reason why the rise of neo-marxism and ethno- and gender liberation theology in the left since Y2K is going to end up leaving these communities a blubbering, dysfunctional, balkanized, high-income-disparity mess. Denver Public Schools is going through its own drama over procedural confusion on how to run the board, and the board as a result has devolved into a toxic brew of Current Year catchphrases and accusations, while its superintendent is a typical white-hating New York City fuckwad whose big plan, unsurprisingly, is "undoing racist systems" like being able to read beyond an 8th grade level. This balloonhead actually believes people will move to Denver from the suburbs and exurbs to send their kids to DPS, even though the city is crazy expensive to live in and the schools are utter dogshit with a few notable exceptions like East High School.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                  EVERY SINGLE DPS BOARD MEMBER was endorsed by the teacher's union, BTW.

        5. rbike   3 years ago

          My life become significantly more wonderful as a child when I finished my phonics book given to me by the private Catholic school my poor parents sent me to. I could cipher out any words from a book and read it. And with my sister's library card and begging my mother to take me to the library, my life improved significantly.

      3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        it was Oakland. Oakland has become ground zero in california for progressive idiocy when it comes to public schools, and that's saying something.

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          San Diego is leading the charge with "ethnomathematics" which basically amount to finding excuses not to give bad grades to black kids who cant do math.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Once you accept that rigorous, logical thinking is racist...

        2. Cyto   3 years ago

          Become?

          They were teaching ebonics 30 years ago....

        3. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          It's as if the progressive arrogance can see no truth. What is the one thing that sets apart the Asian culture, the new black immigrants, the Indian and even the Spanish cultures are starting to notice? Education.

          Focus on education and you can climb out of any morass, no matter how racist. And guess what, as you climb out the object of race becomes secondary to success.

          1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            The #1 determinant of whether or not a young man will end up in jail is missing father. This holds true across all socio-economic classes.

            It's not race. it's dads.

            1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

              Agree with the importance of dads. A focus on education and expectation is a key factor as well.

              1. HorseConch   3 years ago

                Two parent households also focus more on education. In a single parent household, it's way more likely that the lone parent is constantly working to support the kids. On the other hand, if the single parent is suckling the government teat, education isn't a priority.

                1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

                  Let's not kid ourselves. Most single-mom households are low-functioning women.

        4. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          Same with Tuskegee. Experiment on the poor blacks first and if it's destructive see how you can expand it

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        But how many of those kids could recite social Marxist talking points?

      5. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        I read that, they, the teachers, claimed phonics was colonizing.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          Those damned Phoenicians!

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    California lawmakers have sabotaged a bill-

    Doing God's work, if God was really into paying for phony research to protect Big Pharm's financial interests.

  8. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "organizations that assist women with mail-order abortion prescriptions and safety protocols for self-managed abortions"

    I love abortion almost as much as ENB does, but any organization that only helps "women" flush out those clumps of cells deserves to be shut down. After all, many transmen and nonbinary people access abortion care too. Refusing to serve them is literally the same as opening a "whites only" restaurant.

    #IntersectionalFeminism

    1. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Maybe they just need to pass a licensing requirement that the people who package and mail the pills have at least 3 PhDs in child care or something.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Weak tea. How about we require all Americans over the age of 7 to take an abortion pill every morning?

        1. Eeyore   3 years ago

          Reasonable.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A man crashed his car into a U.S. Capitol security barricade early Sunday morning...

    Did Anne Heche have a brother?

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      He was armed with a high powered assault stapler.

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        I wonder if the lizard people are putting some kind of psyche-altering drug in the ventilation systems at home depot

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          I mean, if random people are so fed up they want to go out and commit random direct actions against the tyrants... I ain't mad at em.

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            And, in the spirit of inclusivity, we should note that all leftist activists and functionaries, like the bots who post here, are defined as tyrants

  10. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Author Salmon Rushdie is doing better after being stabbed...

    No official speculation so far about the attacker's motives. Possibly Tea Party related.

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      I'm sure it was all about white supremacy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        The white supremacy of criticizing Islam?

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I mean, Persians are actually white.

        1. Zeb   3 years ago

          Aryans, no less.

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      Although Fiona has surpassed her commitment to open borders, I wish Shikha was still here. She'd find a way to blame it on Drumpf. Like in this classic piece in which she explains how Drumpf is responsible for what happens in India.

      #BringBackShikha

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Dalmia's take would be that he deserved it for provoking Muslims.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Well, it was so obviously someone pissy about Mar-A-Lago, therefore, OrangeManBad had to be involved some way, some how. The Dems and Liz Cheney just know it. Or they'll manufacture evidence to make sure of it.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Hmm, I wonder what Rushdie has on the Clintons?

    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Great point. No need to speculate on the motives of someone who attacked a guy who's had a fatwa calling for his assassination since 1989.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        So you missed Lying Jeffy’s post saying that it’s not appropriate for the media to mention the fatwa. Otherwise you wouldn’t have contradicted him.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Minus one attaboy for sarc.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          Facts that harm the narrative are the number one enemy of legacy news outlets.

          No surprise Jeff fell squarely into, once again, repeating the talking points of MSNBC.

          One can get all of the arguments he will push for the day by watching Morning Joe. But you have to bleach your brain after suffering through it

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            No I get it. The media should assume the motives of an attacker when there is no connection of the attack to anyone associated on Team Red.

            Here, Salman Rushdie is attacked by this Muslim guy. Therefore, responsible journalism dictates that because he's Muslim, he is therefore motivated by an Iranian fatwa from 30 years ago (because all Muslims are basically the same) and should report the story like that.

            But if, say, some highschool kid, attending a right-wing demonstration, is caught "smirking" at some Native American dude who attended a left-wing demonstration, the media should not assume any motives at all. That would be wrong.

            And if, say, a right-wing dude allegedly commits an act of violence, the media should be thoroughly scrupulous and leave no stone unturned and to put the act in full context, explaining "well, left-wingers do the same thing" and to be as heroically fair as possible.

            But if, say, a left-wing dude allegedly commits an act of violence, at, say, a Congressional baseball game, then all that is needed is to look up the guy's social media profile, see that he once liked a Bernie Sanders meme, and a responsible media should then declare that the act is a politically motivated assault on democracy and Bernie Sanders is to blame.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Here, Salman Rushdie is attacked by this Muslim guy. Therefore, responsible journalism dictates that because he's Muslim, he is therefore motivated by an Iranian fatwa from 30 years ago (because all Muslims are basically the same) and should report the story like that.

              I think it's a pretty fair assumption.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                I also think it is a fair assumption. I also think that the assumption shouldn't go into the news article stating as fact that this was the guy's motivation.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                The usual suspects are mad that the CNN article didn't have as its banner headline "Muslim Terrorist Motivated By Fatwa Tried To Kill Rushdie".

                1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                  The ire came because, as usual, the media held off on the identity of the attacker initially. Planting the customary seed that it was the work of some terrorist fearing white supremacist. They let that narrative seethe and marinate for awhile, then released the identity of the attacker. Not to be outdone, though, no mention, yes of the fatwas that is distinct to Muslim culture and very likely the cause of the attack. Why the omission? Or better yet, why not just report the fatwa as a fact. It is known. Then, hey reporter, finish the job by delving into whether the fatwas was the reason or was it something else. This behaviour is as incendiary, dishonest and divisive as "Muslim Terrorist Motivated By Fatwa Tried To Kill Rushdie".

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                    the media held off on the identity of the attacker initially. Planting the customary seed that it was the work of some terrorist fearing white supremacist.

                    Or, because initially they didn't know the identity of the attacker.

                    They let that narrative seethe and marinate for awhile, then released the identity of the attacker.

                    Because it was some purposeful conspiracy, by all the media outlets, to create a narrative of "right wing terrorist", right?

                    Or, it could be that they released the name of the attacker when his identity became publicly known.

                    Not to be outdone, though, no mention, yes of the fatwas that is distinct to Muslim culture and very likely the cause of the attack. Why the omission

                    There was no omission. Virtually every single news article on this attack has mentioned the fatwa against Rushdie.

                    Or better yet, why not just report the fatwa as a fact. It is known. Then, hey reporter, finish the job by delving into whether the fatwas was the reason or was it something else.

                    Which is what they did.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      There was no omission. Virtually every single news article on this attack has mentioned the fatwa against Rushdie.

                      I'm confused about that as well. Every article I've seen mentions the fatwa at the very top.

                    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                      Okay. I should have dug deeper on the fatwas.

                      My mistrust of the media and the common thread of the stories like these are less conspiracy and more this is the narrative. So forgive me for not believing the media is not invested in painting as divisive a story line as they can initially, which is why my final thought is still the same.

                      [Typical media] behavior is as incendiary, dishonest and divisive as "Muslim Terrorist Motivated By Fatwa Tried To Kill Rushdie"

            2. Zeb   3 years ago

              Jesus Christ, dude, you are really reaching here.
              No, all Muslims aren't the same. But all Muslims who try to murder Salman Rushdie probably do have something in common. It would at the very least be extremely surprising if the fatwa didn't have anything to do with the attack.

              1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                I'm not even clear what is being argued over anymore.

                1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                  That's actually why I avoid the giant Chemjeff or Sarcasmic thread that happens every morning. I'm never quite clear on what either side is really arguing about. They're messy and they're a lot of "you said this before" and I just don't pay enough attention to have these types of historical arguments.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    I'm never quite clear on what either side is really arguing about.

                    Usually I'm trying to have a conversation about a topic while a dozen trolls shit all over my comments having conversations about me as a person while ignoring whatever the topic might be.

                    1. Marshal   3 years ago

                      Poor sarc. Those baddies keep interfering with his discussion of who gets blowjobs from whom.

                    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Now you're in line too? Gross.

                    3. Marshal   3 years ago

                      a dozen trolls shit all over my comments

                      sarc pretends he didn't admit his only reason for commenting is trolling others. Posing as the put upon victim is just one aspect of that.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                Even if we assume that the guy attacked Rushdie for religious reasons, it may not have been because of the fatwa specifically. After all the fatwa is almost 35 years old at this point.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  Are you just being contrarian and deliberately obtuse?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                    No, I am pointing out logical and reasonable suppositions.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      This guy has had a target on his back for half of his life. Someone stabs him in the neck. Not shot. Not pushed in front of a bus. But stabs him in the neck. And you think it's illogical or unreasonable to assume the fatwa had something to do with it? Come on. Some things are just too obvious to pretend otherwise.

                    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

                      when you have lost sarc, you have lost Jeff. Give it a break. Watching you try to do the mental gymnastics to make this thing work is like watching a retard with no legs try their darndest to compete in the decathalon.

                      You aren't equipped to make the argument work, and everyone is just watching you flail around the field.

            3. damikesc   3 years ago

              "But if, say, some highschool kid, attending a right-wing demonstration, is caught "smirking" at some Native American dude who attended a left-wing demonstration, the media should not assume any motives at all. That would be wrong."

              Yup, kid should have been burnt at the stake for the grave crime of...smirking.

              "But if, say, a left-wing dude allegedly commits an act of violence, at, say, a Congressional baseball game, then all that is needed is to look up the guy's social media profile, see that he once liked a Bernie Sanders meme, and a responsible media should then declare that the act is a politically motivated assault on democracy and Bernie Sanders is to blame."

              Remember how SARAH PALIN was blamed for the shooting of Giffords?

              Go.
              Fuck,
              Yourself.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                That's right. Because Sarah Palin was blamed for shooting Giffords, you want Bernie Sanders blamed for shooting up the baseball game. And not just by partisans, but by the media itself.

                1. Marshal   3 years ago

                  Correction: Because Sarah Palin was blamed for Giffords we know the left embraces the principle that politicians are responsible for the actions of their worst supporters. Because we see those same leftists deny Bernie's responsibility we can conclude they only apply this principles to their enemies.

                  Of course the amusing thing here is that Loughner wasn't even a Palin supporter, the left just asserted that in order to justify themselves. Revealingly jeffey had no criticism of those blaming Palin, not one word. That's because he's not interested in supporting a universal set of standards, only in attacking those he hates.

            4. Marshal   3 years ago

              I love this comment. It shows how jeffey intents or rejects the facts in order to rationalize any defense for Team Blue and any attack on Team Red. But the best is that he does so while attacking others for excessive partisanship.

            5. JimboJr   3 years ago

              Jeff practicing sophistry in service of protecting the left and their narrative.

              AKA, a regular monday. Never change Jeff

        3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          I thought I was jeff. When will you retards get your narrative straight?

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Do you actually want to be confused with Jeff?

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              You're one of the many who have claimed that every libertarian on this site is a sock run by yours truly because it's unpossible for more than one person to think similarly.

              So do what you like. Whatever gets JesseAz to suck you off.

              1. Marshal   3 years ago

                Whatever gets JesseAz to suck you off.

                Ideas!

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  I doubt that would work. He seems to be impressed with schoolyard taunts. You're good at that. Try it.

                  1. Marshal   3 years ago

                    You're good at that.

                    I see you're keeping up your long history of assertions completely without evidence. You're the one with a long history of juvenile and homophobic attacks, but you won't find a single one from me. But facts don't matter to you, only attacking others.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Keep attacking.

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Isn't it something. Sarcasmic does nothing but attack and troll, but still is absolutely convinced he's the victim.

                    3. Marshal   3 years ago

                      I will, as will you. The difference between you and I is that I use consistent standards while you attack others for exactly what you do.

                      Are you going to talk about fucking my mother again? Because that makes your pose as the slighted victim put upon by uncouth reprobates especially amusing. But you keep pretending you're above schoolyard taunts.

                      I do like the homophobia though, that was an accidental reveal.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                If you don't think that Shrike is running a plethora of socks here you're dumber than I thought. He's been caught on AmSoc and AmSoc1, Dajjal, AddictionMyth, QueenAmalthea, MollyGodiva and many others. Even Buttplug was originally a sock for his shrike handle.

                And protip, your pals arguing for war, regulations, government intervention, censorship, bookburning and top men, aren't libertarian even if they're being nice to you.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  If you don't think that Shrike is running a plethora of socks here you're dumber than I thought.

                  There are a few socks, but I'm not so dumb as to think anyone who says similar things is all the same person.

                  He's been caught on AmSoc and AmSoc1, Dajjal, AddictionMyth, QueenAmalthea, MollyGodiva and many others.

                  I ignore those handles because their comments are even more empty than yours. And that's a low bar.

                  And protip, your pals arguing for war, regulations, government intervention, censorship, bookburning and top men, aren't libertarian even if they're being nice to you.

                  Whatever these people you claim are my "pals" say and do pales in comparison to your defense of people on this site who advocate for murdering people over politics.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    in comparison to your defense of people on this site who advocate for murdering people over politics.

                    And who would that be? Who have I defended for threatening your life?

                    You make up the craziest shit.

                    1. Marshal   3 years ago

                      You're a step better off than I. Last week sarc claimed I advocated killing Pelosi. In his dotage he's having a hard time keeping his thoughts organized. Now he's reducing the charge on step to "defending" this rather than asserting it yourself.

                      He makes up whatever he thinks will win the debate of the moment. The fact that there is no factual basis for his assertions simply isn't relevant. This is what I refer to as debate reality, a danger for people who only live abstractly without concern for how their policies effect the real world.

        4. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

          it’s not appropriate for the media to mention the fatwa.

          But that's not what I said.

          Why are you lying about me, R Mac?

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Sure you didn’t, Lying Jeffy.

            Hey, speaking of lying, I thought you had me muted?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              Not muted today, obviously.

              So why are you lying about me, Troll Mac?

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                That's like asking a bear why it shits in the woods.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  You know chemleft constantly lies, but here you are, making an idiot of yourself.

                  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    Coming from someone who admits to making shit up about people and then calling them a liar when they disagree, that's pretty rich.

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Like what? What have I made up to about you, you bullshit artist.

                    2. Marshal   3 years ago

                      Coming from someone who admits to making shit up about people

                      Is making up shit about other people a problem today? You do it all the time, so if it's such a problem I'd think the first step is to just stop.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                He's not lying you twisted fuck.

                chemjeff radical individualist
                August.13.2022 at 11:16 am
                What is your precise criticism here?
                Do you think the CNN article should have said "Rushdie's attacker was motivated by Iran's fatwah"?

                Where is your evidence that he was motivated by the fatwah?

                Furthermore, in the absence of such evidence of the attacker's motivations, do you think it would be responsible journalism to assume that he was motivated by the fatwah and to report that?

                So let me get this straight.
                There is no concrete evidence what this guy's motivation was.
                But you think 'responsible journalism' would be to assume that he was motivated by this fatwah, because he (a) has an Arab-sounding name and (b) is a devout Muslim, and that anything less means "shilling for the left". Does that about sum it up?
                So "shilling for the left" means to actually investigate claims, and to not make bigoted assumptions about people?
                So this is where ML inadvertently defends CNN's treatment of Nicholas Sandmann as "responsible journalism".

                But it's okay folks! He was merely pretending to be retarded. He was actually teaching us a lesson in "rEsP0nsiBle joURnAlisM"

                I actually do think that it is a likely possibility that he was motivated by the fatwa.
                But I'm not going to declare, as of this moment, with absolute certainty, that that was the reason.
                Furthermore I think it would have been irresponsible and bigoted for a media outlet to have reported that as the definitive motivation as of this moment. Because we simply don't know for certain.

                Yeah, it could have been a Lebanese Lutheran who disagreed with Rushdie's stance on lutefisk.

                Read the thread. It's even stupider in context.

                https://reason.com/2022/08/13/london-libel-lawsuits-punish-truth-tellers/?comments=true#comment-9648702

    4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      It was a spurned lover, I'm sure. Or right-wing violence. Possibly both.

    5. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-hadi-matar-nj-man-suspected-in-salman-rushdie-attack/3822984/

      “A preliminary law enforcement review of Matar's social media accounts shows he is sympathetic to Shia extremism and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps causes, a law enforcement person with direct knowledge of the investigation told NBC News. There are no definitive links to the IRGC but the initial assessment indicates he is sympathetic to the Iranian government group, the official says.”

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Yeah, law enforcement is pretty awful and liberally biased for … oh, wait, they aren’t denying his Islamic motive at all.

        Kinda messes up the conservative victimhood narrative, again.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          And if anyone here knows about victimhood...

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            ...it's conservatives.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Sarc never cries.

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          (Local) Law enforcement is who people are claiming have a liberal bias? I missed that claim. But maybe you can cite foreign press again to refute that the American corporate press ignored the fatwa?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            the American corporate press ignored the fatwa

            But they didn't "ignore the fatwa".

            Here is a CNN article on it:

            https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/14/us/salman-rushdie-attack-sunday/index.html

            There is an entire section of the article devoted to the fatwa against Rushdie.

            Why do you continue to lie like this?

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Just stop. You're messing up the narrative that conservatives are all innocent victims of an evil leftist media that is bought and paid for by Democrats. When you put out facts like that then conservatives look like whining pussies. So stop with the facts. Let them enjoy their victimhood. Eventually they'll cry it out. Maybe.

            2. R Mac   3 years ago

              Dee used foreign press to refute that the corporate media was ignoring the fatwa.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Sarc is begging jeff for attaboys now. Hate to see it happen.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  That's funny. You've got an entire troll brigade begging for attaboys and blowjobs from you, yet you accuse me of fishing for points.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    It always ends up with violent gay sex with you. Was it your mother's boyfriend? Is that why you drink?

    6. Seamus   3 years ago

      It was incited by Trump's racist tweets.

    7. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      According to the Iranian government he did it to himself.

    8. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      The entire Salman Rushdie affair is about the government of a Theocratic Totalitarian State Iran imposing censorship not only on it's own citizens but beyond national borders to the entire world!

      And that Theocratic Totalitarian State Iran wanted to censor by assassination and terrorism against the author, his publisher, and anyone connected with them...

      And all it merits from Elizabeth Nolan Brown and Reason is a snippet that Salman Rushdie is doing fine after getting stabbed???

      Goddamnit and Allah Damnit, this should have been a continuously updated subject covered all Weekend long by any publication that proports to be Libertarian!

      This confirms if ever there was a doubt that Reason Magazine is no longer Libertarian, is an appeaser of Dark Age Islamic Barbarism, and is animal cruelty to even use as a birdcage liner!

      I'll be here for the comments as long as I can stand them, and I'll use the faculty of Reason in my brain as long as I live, but as for the publication, Fuck Off, Reason!

    9. SRG   3 years ago

      Religious fundamentalism - Islam subspecies.

    10. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Author Salmon Rushdie is doing better after being stabbed

      Better than before he was stabbed?

      1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        Yeah, that's another thing. Not only does ENB and Reason poo-poo the attempt on Rushdie's life, but write so shitily to boot!

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...instead targeting organizations that assist women with mail-order abortion prescriptions and safety protocols for self-managed abortions...

    The pandemic lockdowns changed everything.

  12. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    Former Louisville detective Kelly Goodlett—accused of falsifying the search warrant used to justify the 2020 raid on Breonna Taylor's house and then filing a false report to cover her tracks—is expected to plead guilty to federal charges.

    Interesting. I did see a lot of cop defenders jump in on this one, even some people I respect had some rather bad takes. I would say she's worried she won't get a fair trial based on the politicization of the case, but the guy who blind fired into the apartment managed to get an acquittal, so it's not like she's damned simply by being charged. I wonder what she'll allocute to-probably at least the cover-up.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      The judge is on the same team. I'm sure she'll get mercy with sugar on top.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        It's a federal court and not a state court, though, so I don't know if that's guaranteed.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      The guy already acquitted is being recharged in federal courts.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        I know, that part is bullshit. But I'm on board with charging the officers who lied on a warrant application to get an excuse to break into someone's home, especially if they covered it up after the fact.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          I'm essentially always against the federal government trying to charge over states who decline. That wasn't originally the power granted them. It is not the government's duty to correct what they feel is a mistake.

          The federal government should only involve itself when there is a long pattern of abusing a citizens rights, not choosing individual cases. Especially not ones wrapped in so much politics.

    3. R Mac   3 years ago

      Either way, lying of warrants should only get you probation, amiright?

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        On warrants.

  13. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Good morning Peanuts! Remember how terrible the economy was a year and a half into Trump's term? Remember how I'd copy and paste polls showing Independent voters were dissatisfied with the economy? Have you noticed I never do that in the Biden Era? That's because this is the best economy ever and those polls don't exist. Or, if they do exist, they're conducted by wingnut.com and should be ignored.

    #TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      That's gotta be a shitty job.

      #ButtplugIsFullOfShit

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Good morning!

  14. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

    A new paper looks at how voters can be persuaded

    $100k in FB ads can swing any election.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      "$100k in FB ads can swing any election."

      Joe Asshole was here making that exact point yesterday, which should surprise pretty much no one.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      Whereas $100M from Zuckerberg to local election districts is just being a good citizen.

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Bingo. 350M to fortify the election for the Dems = good comrade.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "$100k in FB ads can swing any election."

      But only when in the magical hands of the Russians. Bloomberg spent a billion dollars and couldn't move the needle.

    4. Nardz   3 years ago

      But $400m and direct Facebook intervention is totes no biggie

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Progressives and Reason Editors - The ends justify the means; especially to end mean tweets!

  15. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    That's because the Cali government can issue a "study" and pay their friends/political diners to conduct the study, then they don't have to do anything

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      ^this.

  16. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/08/15/blm-suspends-most-oil-gas-leases-in-colorado-n489686

    BML suspends most oil and gas leases in Colorado. Remember folks, it is Putin's fault that gas prices have doubled.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      *Bites lip...*

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        *Bites lip...*

        That's all you can do once they ban Vasoline.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Could be worse. Think about the middle aged white guys from rural areas who have to drive around in trucks with a BLM logo.

  17. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Sanchez is an immigrant from the Dominican Republican

    Filthy fucking Republicans.

    1. Anomalous   3 years ago

      That dirty Sanchez...

  18. mad.casual   3 years ago

    "Today's ruling clears the way for D.C. officials to go forward with their initial plan to throw countless loving, experienced childcare providers out of work because they don't have the right piece of paper to change a child's diapers," said IJ attorney Renée Flaherty in the group's press release.

    This is an outra... wait, wait, wait, just DC. *checks Fuck Reserves* I yeah, zero fucks to give. Sorry.

    I wonder if this has anything to do with the busses full of immigrants Abbott's sending to places like DC.

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Surely you could hire all those immigrants to watch the kids. Problem solved.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        If only there were some sort of program or agency that would issue them meaningless diplomas for a fist full of dollars so that they could claim residency...

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          You're acting like there are diplomas that aren't empty and meaningless that involve education.

  19. Cosmo Man   3 years ago

    I am more worried about nefarious uses of data by US government than Chinese.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      ^

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      The federal goverment doesn't need your data, they will make up what's most convienent

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Besides, "data" is racist.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      serious question. what can the Chinese do with your TikTok data that should be of any concern? other than give it to the US gov of course.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Not quite sure about the US, but when vensuela was having their continued shit storm at the same time Hong Kong had theirs, the ccp use data from "dissenters" around the world to target those in Hong kong

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          This. If you have any family or associates in China, they want your data. If you work in tech, the government, weapons, etc., they want your data. Otherwise they don’t care. Although they’re still keeping as much as they can get for future use.

      2. American Mongrel   3 years ago

        Craft more appealing subversive intelligence campaigns?
        How does the cia use Facebook to start protests and riots in other countries? Cause that's what the gov is worried about.
        Like russias support for anti fracking and blm and starting the rumor that the cia invented crack.

  20. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    I guess we know what Buttplug's rig counting expeditions are for:

    BLM to pause oil, gas leasing on 2.2 million acres in Colorado

    "The Bureau of Land Management will pause oil and gas leasing on 2.2 million acres of Colorado public land after environmental groups alleged its current management plan failed to consider climate impacts..."

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      failed to consider climate impacts...

      Of course they did.

    2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      You must not offend the climate Gods!!

      Democrats fucking love science like that.

    3. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      Liberal capitalist Jeff Bezos made $3 billion yesterday so the Biden economy is great and you should stop complaining.

      #MoreButtplugInsights

    4. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Well, shit, there goes my $4 gasoline. Will it reach $6, $8, or $10 by election day?

    5. Eeyore   3 years ago

      I'm worried about my natural gas bill.

      1. Eeyore   3 years ago

        One thing is for sure. I don't plan to lower my carbon footprint.

  21. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Please Republicans, I'm begging you, return control of your party to the Cheney family!

    Liz Cheney and a small but influential bloc of anti-Trump Republicans have decided that there must be a 2024 candidate who will run as an unabashed opponent of both the ex-president and other contenders who spew his mistruths about the 2020 election.

    Everyone should know the 2020 election was literally the most secure in our nation's history. It was the 2016 election that was completely illegitimate because of Russian hacking and the Comey letter and GamerGate and the media endlessly replaying Clinton's minor fainting incident.

    #LizCheney2024

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Following on the heels of the incredibly successful Evan McMullin campaign. They will part a lot of foolish big donors from their money and line the pockets of a lot of utterly useless campaign advisers. And that is really what it is all about. I am not kidding.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Unabashed opponent of Trump? Isn't that what Democrats are for?

      1. SRG   3 years ago

        And conservatives - that is, people who hew to conservative principles, as opposed to right-wing authoritarian types who just lurv playing follow-my-leader

        1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          People who hew to conservative principles went out with Eisenhower.

    3. Super Scary   3 years ago

      "unabashed opponent"

      I think the last 6 years have taught us that any opponent of Trump is anything but abashed and will scream from the mountain tops how much they hate that mean orange man.

  22. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Golly:

    Liz Cheney’s husband is a partner at the law firm defending Hunter Biden.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Wait, Hunter Biden broke the law?

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        That's a far-right Republican conspiracy theory and we have to ban your account.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          But... but... I was *just* asking?!?

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Just clear ones not requiring novel interpretation of the law. So no big deal.

    2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      I don't care about that. Even people I really dislike have rights and deserve legal counsel.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        A humongous conflict of interest means that they should have passed on representation.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          I'm not certain there's a conflict of interest that one person employed at their firm, who may have no connection to the case, happens to be married to Liz Cheney, who likely does not have any additional information about the Hunter Biden documents. That's far too separated for any plausible conflict of interest.

          I don't like Liz Cheney or Hunter Biden and yet this situation is completely fine with me.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            All partners have a vested financial interest in the firm and the success of every case whether it they're assigned to the case or not.

            1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              Okay? That's a non-sequitor. He hopes his firm does a good job. I don't see how that biases the case against Hunter Biden that he's probably not involved with.

              Should Hunter Biden only be represented by lawyers who want him found guilty?

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                It's not a non-sequitur, and yes you do.

                I've gone through enough annual audits to know that it's a no-no. At least up here in Canada.

    3. Naime Bond   3 years ago

      There are 3200 lawyers in 16 Countries working for the firm. You could probably work there 40 years and still be surprised to learn that a handful of them in location X are representing Hunter Biden or some other controversial client.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Yes and he works at the DC office which looks to have under a dozen named partners. And this is a high profile case in criminal defence (the group he is a partner for) he would absolutely have to be involved

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        But it's not 3200 lawyers in 16 other Countries. It's his partner down the hall in the exact same office.

    4. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I hope he gets a good defense. That's a perfectly honorable thing.

  23. jimc5499   3 years ago

    Our Local School District has a program where you can be a Substitute Teacher. You have to pass a background check and complete 16 hours of classroom training.
    So if the DC requirement stands, how long until it will become mandatory that those child care providers who get the college degree, have to become members of the Teacher's Unions?

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      That is probably the end goal

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      You made a small jump without full explanation there: are the substitute teachers in your local district required to join the teacher’s union?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Umm.... Janus does it exist.

    3. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      College degree + teachers union = proper progressive training to learn how to indoctrinate children.

  24. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    "China responded to Pelosi's trip by firing 11 missiles in to the seas around Taiwan, sanctioning the speaker and suspending a series of military and climate talks"

    so not ALL bad. At she got the climate talks suspended.

    1. BYODB   3 years ago

      Don't worry, China will promise the moon in any climate talk then immediately ignore everything they said. They know it's a joke or they wouldn't have built the three gorges dam which probably has more of an impact on the climate than the collective CO2 output of the entire planet.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Yeah, I read the climate discussion being suspended as China trying to hit us on what we really care about. Which, is probably accurate.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "In 2016, D.C.'s Office of the State Superintendent of Education passed a rule requiring all child care professionals to have a college degree."

    In 2032, the Federal Office of Information passed a rule requiring all citizens to complete their required annual course in approved political thought by April 1, 3 months earlier than previous years.

  26. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    The concern—which has never made much sense—is that TikTok user data will be leaked to the Chinese government for some sort of nefarious purpose

    I feel like that aside needs a little more explanation.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Yeah the only nefarious purpose that I can think of would be to sell it back to the US gov.

    2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      I have never quite understood that either. That said, China has gone to great lengths to collect personal data on as many Americans as possible. I could never understand just what they thought they were going to do with that information. They have collected it and they must have some purpose for it and it being China I doubt that purpose is good. I never heard any clear explanation what that purpose might be.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        For 99% of Americans, it's meaningless, but I think it allows them to have an immediate profile of someone available if they decide to target them for blackmail/bribery/other exploitation.

        1. American Mongrel   3 years ago

          Disagree. Think marketing... it's nothing more than non political propaganda. Aggregate data of millions of young people would probably be useful for sowing social disorder.
          Have you ever read Fox News comments? There is no way that that isn't a massive campaign by some foreign country to make republicans look worse than even democrats assume them to be.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I'm more confused in that her aside seems to imply that the concern that TikTok is leaking user data to the Chinese government has never made much sense. Maybe that aside is questioning the existence of a nefarious purpose, that would make more sense.
        Because from what I've seen, the concern that the information is being leaked to the Chinese government seems not just plausible but likely. The nefarious purpose point, I do not know. There's the even more intense libertarian point of what right does the government have to act against people giving up their information?

        But I have my doubts that Reason's reaction would be the same if TikTok was leaking its info to the US government.

      3. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Take a look at how democrats rushed to Tik Tok for the 2020 election. If you think FB and Twitter affected the election, China can now as well. The information leads to them to push certain political angles to susceptible voters.

      4. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Is any of it DNA data? May be fortuitous to the Wuhan lab.

  27. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-national-guard-deployed-tijuana-amid-eruption-cartel-fueled-violence

    Fox News noted the Jalisco New Generation Cartel threatened violence to anyone in Baja California over the weekend:

    "Be warned. As of Friday at 10 p.m. through Sunday at 3 a.m. we're going to create mass chaos so the [expletive] government frees our people. We're the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, we don't want to hurt good people but it's best they don't go outside, we're going to attack anyone we see on the streets on these days."

    Tijuana Mayor Montserrat Caballero immediately responded to the cartel's message and said:

    "We are not going to allow a single Tijuana citizen to pay the consequences of those who didn't pay their bills.

    "We ask that you make the people who owe you pay up, not the families and citizens who work."

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      it's getting crazy in mexico. Absolutely amazing.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        I think it is going to spill over into the US. How could it not? Biden literally refuses to do anything to secure the border.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          All part of the plan.

  28. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-officials-warn-draconian-energy-regulations-extremists-fueling-mass-protests

    As queries for "firewood" have exploded on Google in Germany, and Deutsche Bank predicting that "wood will be used for heating purposes where possible," German officials are now warning of extreme energy rationing measures, along with the potential for "extremists" to fuel national unrest over the deteriorating situation.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      "Kramer said that officials were bracing for protests over "gas shortages, energy problems, supply difficulties, possible recession, unemployment, but also the growing poverty right up to the middle class," adding that "extremists" which include "lateral thinkers" who rallied against pandemic lockdowns, and 'right-wing activists' who have been stirring the post over social media, could be at the heart of them.

      "We're likely to be confronted with mass protests and riots," he continued. "We’re dealing with a highly emotionalized, aggressive, future-pessimistic mood in society, whose trust in the state, its institutions and political actors is fraught with massive doubts."

      "This highly emotional and explosive mood could easily escalate," the security chief continued, adding that the Covid-19 clashes would "probably feel more like a children's birthday party" by comparison.

      Kramer offers a warning to would-be participants: "think carefully about which protests and demonstrations you join, or better stay away from them altogether, so as not to support the enemies of democracy.""

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Global depopulation seems to be the goal.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          To get to 250 million people by 2100 they're going to need a series of massacres that make the holocaust look like a picnic.

      2. Eeyore   3 years ago

        They should jump straight to putting everyone with an IQ over 120 in prison for being too hard to control.

        What is this "lateral thinker" shit.

        1. Griffin3   3 years ago

          As opposed to linear thinkers? Non thinkers? The feelz?

      3. BYODB   3 years ago

        So it's unreasonable to 'protest' over the fact your government is purposefully making it impossible to heat your home without using fucking firewood?

        That's batshit nuts, and German's have apparently become giant pussies since WW2.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          They have become very gunshy since WW2. This is a well known cultural aspect of Germany. They carry a lot of collective guilt over perpetrating the most famous genocide.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            I met a German officer during one of my deployments, and we talked about this very thing. Post-war Germany is like the national embodiment of the Stanford Prison Experiment.

            1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

              The Stanford Prison fiasco was not an experiment by any definition we now recognized. There was no control group, no independent or dependent variables being tracked, no useful data beyond anecdotal provided. Moreover, the students knew exactly what the supposed "experiment" was supposed to be testing and were play-acting to advance the desired conclusions. It was masturbatory self-reassurance in action

              It's bullshit, meaningless pop science that should embarrass the whole field of psychology any time someone references. Instead it's still actually taught in basic psychology 101 classes because Psychology is that big of a joke.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                Science!

        2. BYODB   3 years ago

          Oh, and just for the record, burning wood releases a shit ton of CO2 as well.

          1. Zeb   3 years ago

            And particulate pollution which actually harms people.

            1. BYODB   3 years ago

              Also true, the whole thing makes my head spin. Maybe if Germany's government kills enough people this winter their citizens will actually start to notice.

              1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

                You'd think Germans might be especially sensitive about undesirable people starting to disappear.

                1. Eeyore   3 years ago

                  The mass murders will be with equity this time. A few jews, a fee non-jews, a nice equitable mix of everyone but the rich.

        3. Nardz   3 years ago

          The exact same attitude is prevalent here.

      4. Super Scary   3 years ago

        "We’re dealing with a highly emotionalized, aggressive, future-pessimistic mood in society"

        It's strange that this sentence isn't referring to the climate change activists. Which group, of the two sides, is predicting world ending events if their demands aren't met? Surely NOT the people predicting that the world is going to end in ten years, for the last 60 years.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      If the officials are considering extreme energy rationing measures, doesn't that make them the extremists? Sort of by definition?

  29. Nardz   3 years ago

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

  30. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    In 2016, D.C.'s Office of the State Superintendent of Education passed a rule requiring all child care professionals to have a college degree.

    Finally! This should totally bring down the cost of child care!

    1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      This is how the Dems help the poor and middle class.

  31. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    https://www.koat.com/article/muhammad-syeds-public-safety-assessment-recommends-he-be-released-before-trial/40873659

    The guy accused of murdering all of those Shiite Muslims in New Mexico is recommended to be released on bail. It is the libertarian moment I guess.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Syed’s assessment shows his criminal activity score is a 2 out of a possible 6, and his failure to appear is a 3.

      So... 50/50?

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      The libertarian moment would have been if he didn't have any bail required.

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Here is a hint to all reporters if the Muslim killings are all against a specific sect, there is a 99.99999999999% chance it is a Muslim from a different sect. Most white supremist don't know about the different sects or their history

  32. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1559166151959117832?t=I0A67mWF2vuMGQpWwoJTgQ&s=19

    NEW - Quadruple vaccinated #Pfizer CEO infected with COVID.

    [Link]

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      The vaccine doesn't work. Anyone who doesn't realize that or gets a booster at this point deserves whatever happens to them.

      1. rbike   3 years ago

        There are people vaccinating their children still. Just insane.

        1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

          It's a religious rite now.

          1. Eeyore   3 years ago

            I would still rather share a single cup of wine with an entire church full of catholics. How is catholic communion not a super spreader event?

  33. Naime Bond   3 years ago

    '...as any adult who has been flummoxed by a two-year-old repeatedly asking 'why' can attest." ..'

    This flummox was confirmed by an unscientific survey of 1,000 two year olds, when asked about the decision, the most often heard response from the group, was 'why'?

  34. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    The concern—which has never made much sense—is that TikTok user data will be leaked to the Chinese government for some sort of nefarious purpose.

    If you believe TikTok user data is somehow going to be leaked to the Chinese government, you're retarded. The Chinese government already owns and controls that data, there's no need to leak what they'vs already got. And you can be sure they will be using the data for a nefarious purpose, just the same as the NSA that collects all the data here. It's what secretive totalitarian governments do.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Yeah, you're literally putting your data into a CCP drop box... there's no "slipping through the cracks" here.

    2. BYODB   3 years ago

      I haven't ever looked at TikTok, is any of the 'user data' data that actually needs to be verified such as real name, real phone number, etc. or can one use totally made up information to sign up?

      If I can use fake information to sign up for a website, that's what I do. Even my information here at Reason was totally made up.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        Agreed. Full disclosure I am not a real rev

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Wait, what?

          Does that mean I'm not actually married then?

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Here's a recentish article I found:
        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/19/tiktok-has-been-accused-of-aggressive-data-harvesting-is-your-information-at-risk#:~:text=TikTok's%20data%20collection%20methods%20include,devices%20on%20an%20hourly%20basis.

        1. BYODB   3 years ago

          The question is if the data they are harvesting actually useful data. If I tell them I'm 100 years old and my name is 'Fuck Off CCCP' that isn't actually data I care about.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            That I don't know. That's why I say there are two questions. Are they doing it (I think it seems reasonable they are) and what it gets them.

            I am unclear which part of that ENB takes issue with in that aside.

            As far as data. The big things are viewing habits, things you buy elsewhere, location data and movement data, other sites you look at, things like that. I believe the supposition is that with billions of points of information along these lines one can start to do pretty reasonable statistical inference about a lot of things. This is similar to the model of most companies. How dire that is, and what the reaction should be, I have no idea.

            My honest guess is that if we moved to rebuke TikTok in some way, by the time anything was done it's star will already have passed. But, who knows? I hate all these things and thus don't have good insight into their staying power.

            1. BYODB   3 years ago

              I think it's safe to say that if it isn't nailed down, the CCCP will steal it. If it is nailed down, they'll go get their pry bar.

              I tend to agree that it's questionable if any of the data they get via TikTok is actually useful or important data in any sense, but again I've never looked at TikTok so I really have no idea if there's any verification of user data in any sense. Most websites you sign up for tend to allow random bullshit user information so I hesitate to think that it's all that useful in terms of data. Especially when it's unattached to any other user information that could be tracked between platforms.

          2. American Mongrel   3 years ago

            What you watch all day is what is relevant. And most relevant in the aggregate. They don't care about individuals, they're looked my for weaknesses in American society to exploit.

            1. BYODB   3 years ago

              I guess but this seems retarded since those types of things happen to also be publicly published with things like Nielsen ratings etc. so if they're looking for aggregate data it's literally out there for free but no one seems to be shitting the bed on that one.

            2. Think It Through   3 years ago

              Americans have the attention span of a gnat, at most a few seconds each, and a whole lot of them like at looking at hot young women dancing around in bikinis or less.

              I'm not sure we needed TikTok to gather that information.

          3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            But if you mainly watch libritarian channels, the ccp can cross corralte those channels with what their people are watching. It the same concept as GPS on on a social level (lookup GPS convolution anf Fourier transform)

  35. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Less than two weeks after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sparked Beijing's anger by visiting Taiwan, a delegation of U.S. lawmakers is now visiting the country.

    Let's be accurate here, she also sparked Taiwan's anger.

  36. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1559204822770978816?t=rZC5jk7b7UV3zUrp1PrR-g&s=19

    Me: “These people are communists.”

    People who’ve escaped communism in my emails every day: “Jesse, these people are just like the communists I escaped from. I’m scared.”

    The GOP: “Hey, let’s tone down the rhetoric.”

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      "I ain't never heard nothing about no communist takeover! You mooks heard anything about no communist takeover?"
      "Nope."
      "No boss."
      "What's a communist takeover?"
      "See? Nothin'."

    2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/how-freedom-enriches-us

      Why freedom makes us rich!

  37. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    So yeah, my theory was correct. It appears the Rushdie stabbing is "too local". And there are no free speech implications here, so.

    Back to Josh Hawley authoritarian articles, I guess.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      It's such a crazy thing.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Well, to be fair, the British media is covering it, so I can continue to spend my time across the pond.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          I heard someone describe the recent Trump stuff as "boring" because it has this tendency in our media to suck the air out of everything else. I think I tend to agree with that. We have 24 hour news that for some reason has become hyper-focused on one thing at a time.

          1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            I believe the ussr and the ccp have called this propaganda narrative building

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      He offended a cohort of non-white-males so he must die.

  38. Marshal   3 years ago

    D.C.'s Office of the State Superintendent of Education passed a rule requiring all child care professionals to have a college degree.

    Unmentioned: how does an agency charged with administering the law have the power to make it by "passing" new requirements?

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