London Libel Lawsuits Punish Truth Tellers
The U.S. shouldn't import British defamation law, no matter how much Donald Trump would like to.

As a presidential candidate in 2016, Donald Trump famously promised to "open up those libel laws" so that aggrieved public figures like him could sue irksome critics and "win money instead of having no chance." After Trump took office, he downgraded his vow to a suggestion, possibly because someone informed him that presidents have no power to change the state laws and judicial precedents that govern defamation claims. It might be time, he tweeted, to "change libel laws" in light of his perception that journalists had "gotten me wrong."
We can get some idea of what Trump had in mind from his long and astonishingly petty history of suing or threatening to sue writers who portray him in an unflattering light. In 2006, for instance, he demanded $5 billion from Timothy L. O'Brien, a financial journalist who had dared to suggest, in his 2005 book TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald, that the thin-skinned developer was not worth as much as he claimed. In 2018, Trump's attorney sent a cease-and-desist letter to Michael Wolff, threatening legal action if the author insisted on publishing Fire and Fury, an exposé about Trump's inner circle.
While these were hollow threats, Trump was right in thinking he might have faced better odds under a different legal regime. "In England, you have a good chance of winning," he told Miami's CBS affiliate in October 2016. "Deals are made, and apologies are made. Over here, they don't have to apologize. They can say anything they want about you or me, and there doesn't have to be any apology."
It is not true that Americans "can say anything" with legal impunity. But it is true that the U.K. strikes a different balance between reputational interests and freedom of expression. While Trump thinks that balance is preferable, civil libertarians have long been troubled by the chilling effect that British defamation law has on truthful speech. Notably, Trump's praise of that system was prompted by the question of whether the First Amendment provides "too much protection."
In the U.K., defamation plaintiffs have two major advantages that Trump envies. First, they do not have to prove that an allegedly defamatory statement was false. Second, they do not have to show that the defendant deliberately or recklessly misrepresented the facts—the "actual malice" standard that the U.S. Supreme Court has said the First Amendment requires in libel actions brought by public figures.
Instead, the target of a British defamation lawsuit has the burden of establishing that he is protected by one of several recognized defenses. If he settles on a "defense of truth," he has to show it is more likely than not that "the imputation conveyed by the statement" was "substantially true." That plaintiff-friendly rule has made the U.K. a magnet for libel actions by prominent people whose claims might get a less receptive hearing in other countries, including American cyclist Lance Armstrong, Swedish businessman Svante Kumlin, and Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky.
Emory University historian Deborah Lipstadt did not appreciate the distinction between British and American libel law in 1995, when she learned that English historian David Irving planned to sue her over her 1993 book Denying the Holocaust. In History on Trial, her 2005 account of the case, Lipstadt recalls chuckling at a letter from Penguin Books, her British publisher, about Irving's litigation threat. "This is really nuts," she announced. As Lipstadt puts it, "the world's most prominent Holocaust denier [was] threatening to sue me for libel for calling him a denier."
But Lipstadt (a longtime friend of my in-laws) soon learned that Irving's claims were no laughing matter in London. The lawsuit was taken quite seriously there, forcing Lipstadt to hire lawyers, experts, and research assistants who helped compile the exhaustive record that was necessary to rebut the allegation that she had libeled Irving. That process consumed five years of Lipstadt's life and cost $1.5 million.
The lawsuit ultimately backfired on Irving. In a 349-page judgment delivered on April 11, 2000, Charles Gray, a judge on the High Court of Justice, described Irving as a "racist" and "antisemite" whose "falsification of the historical record was deliberate," "perverse," "egregious," and "motivated by a desire to present events in a manner consistent with his own ideological beliefs even if that involved distortion and manipulation of historical evidence." Gray thought it was "incontrovertible that Irving qualifies as a Holocaust denier."
The case, which later inspired the 2016 movie Denial, provoked confused commentary from two British historians, who implied that Lipstadt and Penguin, the defendants, had launched an attack on Irving, the plaintiff. "Penguin was certainly out for blood," Donald Cameron Watt, who had testified at the trial, wrote in the London Evening Standard. "Show me one historian who has not broken into a cold sweat at the thought of undergoing similar treatment." In The Daily Telegraph, John Keegan, another trial witness, said "the news that David Irving has lost his libel case will send a tremor through the community of 20th-century historians."
Lipstadt was astounded by that take. "Apparently Keegan did not think that forcing an academic to defend her scholarly work at tremendous personal and professional costs would upset historians," she writes.
The threat to freedom of speech in that case came from Irving, not Lipstadt or Penguin. Although some countries, including Germany, France, and Canada, have criminalized Holocaust denial, Lipstadt does not support such laws (which would never pass constitutional muster in the United States). The issue in David Irving v. Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt was not whether Irving should be free to deny the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz, argue that the mass murder of Jews was not an orchestrated campaign, or assert that Hitler was oblivious to what his underlings were doing. The issue was whether critics like Lipstadt had a right to take issue with such claims.
Lipstadt's vindication would not have been possible but for the steadfast support of her publisher and her employer, the generosity of financial donors, and the arduous, meticulous work of her legal team. Although her lawyers investigated the possibility of recovering legal expenses from Irving, she says, they concluded that the effort would cost more than it was worth.
"Defense of critical comments is so burdensome that British newspapers commonly give up when sued for libel," former New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis noted in the introduction to History on Trial. "They settle for what are called 'substantial sums' and make apologetic statements in court"—precisely the situation that Trump admires.
Lewis, who died in 2013, added that "even the threat of a libel action can be devastating." He noted that the British publisher Weidenfeld & Nicolson initially "shelved plans to publish a book by the historian John Lukacs that described Irving as 'an unrepentant admirer of Hitler' because it feared a libel suit." Even after Lipstadt's victory, the company "published the book but toned down the comments on Irving."
In 2008, The New York Times noted that "authors with controversial books try to steer clear of English law by not selling books there." One example: British publishers "avoided the unauthorized biography of Tom Cruise, which was written by Andrew Morton, because of concerns about defending the book in Britain."
But as the American terrorism expert Rachel Ehrenfeld discovered, avoiding publication in the U.K. wasn't a guarantee against facing a libel lawsuit there. Her 2003 book Funding Evil, which alleged that Saudi billionaire Khalid bin Mahfouz had used his bank and a charity to finance Al Qaeda, was not published in the United Kingdom. Mahfouz sued her there anyway. Ehrenfeld refused to appear, arguing that the British court had no jurisdiction over a libel case involving an author who lived in New York City and a book that had been marketed only in the United States. The result was a default judgment against her totaling about $250,000.
That case inspired New York legislators to pass the Libel Terrorism Protection Act, which barred state courts from enforcing foreign defamation judgments unless they are based on rules providing "at least as much protection for freedom of speech and press" as the U.S. and New York constitutions do. Seven other states subsequently passed similar legislation. In 2010, Congress unanimously approved the SPEECH Act, which says a foreign defamation judgment can be enforced in the United States only if it is compatible with American free speech standards or if the defendant would have been liable under U.S. law.
Although that restriction means American courts can't force authors like Ehrenfeld to pay libel damages ordered by English courts, the deterrent effect of that obstacle may be limited. Someone like Mahfouz, after all, is not in it for the money. "Crooks and brigands from around the world come here to launder their reputations," London lawyer Mark Stephens told National Public Radio in 2015, because "they couldn't get exculpation" in their home countries or the United States.
Even if a plaintiff never collects a dime, he can still cite a judgment in his favor (even a default judgment) as vindication. According to British lawyers who represent plaintiffs in defamation cases, the Times reported, "many of their wealthy clients are more interested in collecting legal judgments labeling allegations false than in reaping big payouts."
Thirteen years after the judgment against David Irving, Parliament responded to criticism of British defamation law by enacting several reforms. The Defamation Act of 2013 created new protections for material published in peer-reviewed journals, for operators of websites where messages are posted by third parties, and for statements the defendant reasonably believed to be in the public interest. It replaced the common-law defenses of "fair comment" and "justification" with "honest opinion" and "truth," respectively, but left the requirements for the latter essentially unchanged.
The law also imposed new limits on separate claims for republication of a statement by the same publisher. That is especially important in the internet context, where material was previously deemed republished each time it was accessed.
In an effort to discourage "libel tourism," the Defamation Act established a new rule for lawsuits filed in England or Wales against defendants who reside outside the U.K. Courts are now required to consider whether they are the most appropriate forum for disputes involving statements published in more than one country. To discourage trivial claims, the law requires that a plaintiff show an allegedly defamatory statement "has caused or is likely to cause serious harm" to his reputation.
The Defamation Act did not change the burden of proof or create a standard analogous to "actual malice" for lawsuits by public figures. Nor did it directly address the exorbitant cost of defending against a defamation lawsuit. Since April 2019, however, plaintiffs can no longer enter into "success fee" agreements with their solicitors and barristers, which promised a bonus for winning that often effectively doubled the legal costs that losing defendants had to pay.
The Defamation Act, which took effect on January 1, 2014, clearly did not eliminate the chilling effect of British defamation law. That same year, for instance, Cambridge University Press declined to publish American political scientist Karen Dawisha's book Putin's Kleptocracy, citing the threat of a libel action. "Even if the Press was ultimately successful in defending such a lawsuit," the publisher said in a letter to Dawisha, "the disruption and expense would be more than we could afford."
In a 2020 review of the Defamation Act's impact, the London law firm Brett Wilson concluded that the "serious harm" requirement had "created more of a level playing field," making it "far riskier for claimants to pursue claims out of principle or in order to 'punish' the errant publisher" when "they know that the publication has caused them little or no real-world consequences." But aside from that reform, it said, the act "has not substantially changed the law of defamation."
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Lying is criminalized when being questioned by the FBI. Look how that’s worked out you goddamn Nazi.
You’re a Jew advocating lying.
Educate yourself. Your holiest on holiest day is clearly a plan to lie. The faithful can lie for another year with the comfort and blessing of their religion. If Satan is the father of lies, you are his faithful child.
Here is the Kol Nidre text. The holiest Jewish prayer on the holiest Jewish day.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
Prayer
You're a fucking Nazi scumbag. Eat shit and die.
It isn’t killing you.
I like to feed them the trolls what you can’t refute and laugh when you choke.
Hahaha
Seeing the liars in jail would have a better reputation clearing affect than simply being paid off.
You first!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
He probably posts the nazi stuff because he enjoys being humiliated.
One of the Nazi slogans in the 25-Point Program was "The Common Good Over The Individual Good." So the ideology does lend itself well to both Masochism and Sadism.
Don’t spoil my fetish
by conflating it with nazi shit!
Oh, sorry about that.
Does an apology count as torture to a Masochist? Or does it count as flattery to a Sadist? Or both? 😉
Oh dear….SPRINGTIME in August?’
I thought it was springtime for Hitler?
At any rate this thread is marching to a faster pace
Look out here comes the master race
The chosen people
Hey, Misek, "Chosenness" isn't such a good thing.
Recall from the Biblical legend that Moses didn't want the job because he stuttered. He prolly thought that JHVH-1 was going to ask him to murder his son like JHVH-1 did with Abraham.
By contrast, your Wickedly Great One loved the thought of "Chosenness." He said of his Final Solution: "Who can doubt I'm doing the work of The Lord?"
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Hahaha
"Chosenness" isn't such a good thing.“
Not when it makes you a lying waste of skin Jew.
Misek, your attainder of every person of either Jewish heritage or the Jewish religion would not fly in any system of justice that respects Individual Rights, due process, logic, and truth. To say otherwise would be lying and that would mean 99 to life or death for you if lying were outlawed.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Actually you’d need to refute what I’ve said to prove your claim in court.
You never have, and never will. That’s why you lying wastes of skin have needed to criminalize my evidence for the last 80 years.
You’re living on borrowed time. Choke on that. Hahaha.
That "Golbal Warming" or "Climate Change" or whatever has fucked up everything. 🙂
I have provided irrefutable evidence that refutes the holocaust. This is a crime punishable with imprisonment in every nation where it allegedly occurred. Many who ostensibly advocate free speech don’t bat an eye when forced to recognize this coercive censorship.
Being a prisoner for political correctness is being a political prisoner. If you’re going to imprison someone for exercising free speech you’re going to have to explain if it matters if they’re telling the truth or not. If so, due process is owed and proof of lying is required. Paid and coerced testimony is inadmissible. If not, you advocate the removal of the requirement of truth from justice. There can be no justice without truth. This is why everyone testifying in court is required to swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Instead, the bigoted trolls simply bleat “naaazi” like brainwashed sheeple have been programmed to.
It’s hard to imagine a civilization of bigots, because it can’t exist. Civilization requires considering counter arguments. If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
When you can refute what you deny and prove what you claim you won’t be what’s wrong with society. Until then, you are.
Fuck off.
No, you provided some information from crackpots which outweighed by about 10,000 to 1 by the ocean of evidence that supports it happening.
We’re you raised a Nazi, or are you a convert?
Your "evidence" was literally disproven by actual nazis that ran actual concentration camps all the way back to 1948.
When lying is criminalized, Jews will have to discard their religion.
None of you have ever refuted the evidence that refutes the holocaust. When you lie that you have, you choke when challenged to prove it.
Once lying is criminalized, you fuckwits will need to actually refute this or finally accept that the holocaust is a lie.
If you think that there is any physical evidence for a holocaust, you’re wrong.
Video, pictures of what? Piles of bodies during war? People in German uniforms? Dime a dozen and easily staged. No photos, none of the equipment that supposedly killed millions. There exists no physical evidence of that at all.
Prison camps aren’t evidence of a holocaust.
I’ve refuted “eyewitness testimony” as impossible right here. Every so called witness has either been paid or coerced making their bullshit legally inadmissible.
The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. This is because all stories creating the holocaust narrative defy logic and science.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.
Jews wrote books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish
survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.
Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
"When lying is criminalized, Jews will have to discard their religion."
So you don' think that they will be able to convince the courts that you're the one lying and have you put in jail? Despite the fact that this is, according to you, exactly what happened for close on 80 years now? I mean what basis do you have for thinking that if lying is made illegal it will be liars, not political opponents of the regime, that go to jail?
I trust that, when evidence isn’t censored, due process, logic and science will demonstrate the truth that the holocaust never happened.
Evidence that demonstrates the truth has been a crime to share wherever it exists for the last 80 years.
The downside to lying obviously isn’t severe enough unless it is illegal.
"I have provided irrefutable evidence that refutes the holocaust..."
You lying pile of shit, you haven't done squat. What passes for "evidence" to ignoramuses like you gets laughed at by those who know what the word means.
Fuck off and die.
Sharing the irrefutable evidence I’ve provided is a crime in every country where the lie is alleged to have occurred.
They’re not laughing. And you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said.
I do like to feed you trolls what you can’t refute and laugh when you choke. Hahaha
So you want your freedom conditional on whether a government body decides you're lying or not? You're just not that smart are you?
Freedom is already conditional on the courts determination of guilt or innocence. Justice is based on the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It’s already a crime to lie in court.
If I’m not very smart what does being unable to refute anything I say make you?
I’ll say again, as I’ve said many times before, if anyone actually refutes anything that I say, I will never say it again.
So, If you really thought I was lying and you wanted me to stop, you’d only need to refute what I say.
But none of you zero heroes ever have. Hahaha
Like when I’ve argued that Roe vs Wade should collapse…exactly.
Once again the trolls all choke.
Hahaha
They're getting scared. Midterms are coming, all their illicit tactics and lies have backfired, Trump is reenergized and the public is more skeptical of them and their institutions than ever before.
Expect a big push with more brown-envelope articles like this than ever before.
We do need to start punishing leftist media outlets for their lies and propaganda though.
Interesting tactic, to use this topic as a venue to attack Trump. Way to stay on-message.
Also interesting that the very first example cities as being obviously ridiculous is of someone making probably false statements about a businessman's net worth. One could make an argument that this is defamation per se, due to the direct connection to the ability to conduct business. Yet this is cited as an obviously frivolous attempt to silence critics.
Since raising capital is absolutely key to the business of a real estate developer. One wonders if Reason and its writers would consider false accusations of plagiarism or of faking quotes or simply fabricating stories to be worthy of legal remedy?
I mean, Reason does little original reporting any more, but you would still suspect that their reputation for honesty and accuracy when they do report news would hold some value.
I asked ML the other day if he thought the Reason writers know what fiduciary means. I was not being facetious. I think their bubble they inhabit in not purely political.
We know they don't know what libritarian means
I think that they do, but regard such duties as hostile to the narrative and better left unacknowledged.
"Muh private company" is an extremely important narrative in allowing them to both root for censorship, but pretend to be libertarian at the same time. The obligation of fiduciary duties completely destroy that pose.
Mentions of the ridiculous, purely political, free speech threatening Alex Jones verdict: 0.
He’s a bad person so Reason doesn’t care about his rights.
Rule of social law!
He's not like an antifa dude who got gunned down for threatening a dude in a car with a gun. He's also not Gawker, who many here were quite upset got sued over the Hogan sex tape scandal.
Also odd that the same courts found that Rachel Maddow lying about someone and saying "this is literally true, I have the proof" cannot be defamatory because no reasonable person could ever believe her.
Meanwhile, the guy they all agree is completely discredited and utterly dishonest is able to defame an average Joe to the tune of $50 million.
They're really not hiding it anymore
I must have missed that one. All I've seen are the ones about the scummy douchbag trying to hide criminal behavior and his incompetent lawyers.
What criminal behavior?
You've committed libel according to your dimwitted interpretation
"their reputation for honesty and accuracy when they do report news "
Aren't you adorable!
Give him a break he just got out of a 25 year coma.
"Interesting tactic, to use this topic as a venue to attack Trump. Way to stay on-message."
Poor sweet innocent Trump and His Precious Baby Feelings! Just 'cause He lusts after the exact same EVILS that the stupid Brits indulge in, is NO acceptable excuse WHATSOEVER for writing mean tweets about poor Trumpy-Poooo!!!!
Possible Fix #1 here:
Deborah Lipstadt should have written her entire book sarcastically, signing the Highest Praises for the British version of Asshole Rob Misek the NAZI, over there! You can't be sued for singing praises of a target, right? "Rob Misek has none but the BEST motives when he loves who Hitler was, and what Hitler did!"
Possible Fix #2 here:
Write not "Rob Misek is a scum-dog low-life", but, instead, "I THINK THAT Rob Misek is a scum-dog low-life". Now you're written a PERSONAL OPINION about your internal state of mind! You can NOT prove anything about what I do or do not think!
Shut up, you fascist.
He and Misek really are birds of a feather. His attacks against him are probably just professional jealousy.
"Shut up, you fascist."
Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!
So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…
Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:
Hi Fantastically Talented Author:
Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.
At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.
Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .
Wow, didn't expect Sqrlsy to wave his traditional white flag so early.
Really mailing it in lately.
Did he copypaste his ‘Tim the Enchanter’ bullshit?
Ted is so mentally crippled, that it has to ask OTHER idiots to perform its readings for it!
Ted, could you check for me, did the sun rise today? Does the moon still rise, also?
Even among fascists, you are among the dregs, SQRLSY One.
Noy Soy Boy Toy is overdosing on fascist dregs again, I see! What a drag, to do SOOOO many dregs!
Poor fellow, Trump. ‘Is father never really loved ‘I’m.
Having a seizure?
It’s hard to tell with him, isn’t it?
Yeah, since Trump is the greatest threat to free speech.
Also, it is hard not to believe something is broken about the way libel and slander law in the US works.
A simple example.... the case of Nick Sandmann, a high school kid who was clearly defamed by a consortium of national media as a part of a concerted effort to smear Trump and his supporters as racist. (Motive is actually a rather important component here)
Within hours, full video of the event was available. The objective truth was easy to see and there are certain things about what happened that are inarguable. The initial narrative that the press ran with of a racist MAGA Trump supporters harassing and taunting and blocking the path of a peaceful native American elder who was simply marching to the Lincoln Memorial was objectively completely false.
NBC News not only continued with the narrative after the internet exploded with debunking of their coverage, they doubled down, bringing in the native elder to rehabilitate his story, handwriting him through a completely different version that was also demonstrably false. They then brought the 16 year old victim of this scheme on to demand that he apologize for his hostile and possibly racist action of standing still and smiling while someone peacefully and innocently banged a drum inches from his face.
A US judge actually ruled that saying he blocked the old man and prevented him from proceeding could not be considered libel because it was out in the open and definitions require an enclosed space... it was utterly bizarre. But the desired conclusion was obvious... even an obviously false and defamatory statement was not going to be libelous in his court.
That is the big issue with our defamation laws. Either you cannot prove "malice", which should mean nothing if the comment is a lie or judges parsing language to such absurd lengths to protect media.
If the claim is false, it should be able to be sued for defamation over.
There should be some room for honest mistakes, but those are the minority of instances these days.
What we have now is just free for all license to lie and defame anybody who can be in some way considered a public figure.
As is so often the case, I don't think the letter of the law is the problem- it's the ridiculous interpretation and application.
I mean, it's pretty easy to see that when CNNTalkingHead X calls ConservativeY "a racist/homophobe/rapist/etc" it's done with malice and knowledge that the claim is false. But it's standard rhetoric, and used to influence audiences through repetition.
Yes, calling someone racist or homophobic is clear defamation. On a characterization like that, or when referring to a group like the Proud Boys as "white nationalist", there needs to be work shown. The commenter needs to lay out their reasoning. And if that reasoning is illogical or satisfactory, let a jury decide. But allowing such characterizations to just be thrown out as fact, with no argument justifying the accusation, has simply normalized defamation.
No society can survive the levels of unchecked dishonesty and falsehood we're currently at. There need to be consequences, otherwise people will just keep lying.
If courts refuse to settle the issue, as they have, there is only physical recourse left.
I mean, it's pretty easy to see that when CNNTalkingHead X calls ConservativeY "a racist/homophobe/rapist/etc" it's done with malice and knowledge that the claim is false. But it's standard rhetoric, and used to influence audiences through repetition.
So just like you repeatedly calling me a Stalinist and a pedophile. Glad to see that you so clearly enunciate your own strategy.
Ok, Beria.
"just like you repeatedly calling me a Stalinist and a pedophile."
He's not wrong.
Yea, I'm confident I'd win that case in court.
lol
You reflexively defend the democrats to the end f the earth, always attack republicans, favor a lot of Stalinesque things, and always come up on the pedophile’s side of an issue.
How is he wrong, and do you have any citations that support your premise?
A better example is the Zimmerman case, where he wasn't even a public figure but since NBC reported on him it magically transformed him into a public figure overnight meaning he had to use the much higher bar to sue them.
Basically the media gets to decide who is and is not a public figure, which they then get to use in court as they deem fit. No one they report on will ever get to use the lower standard unless they want it to be so.
Didn't NBC even edit his 911 call to mischaracterize (defame) him?
Insane that they escaped paying a penalty.
Yes that is exactly what they did.
The Zimmerman case is insane. They even got some girl to testify against him who the procecuter gave a made up story to
The prosecutor’s team should hav been disbarred over that case.
Ben Crump gave her the story, let’s be honest here. He launched his career with that shit.
Look at Kyle Rittenhouse; the media did a great job smearing him that people legitimately think he shot 3 black people.
You could go on and on. James Damore was fired for being sexist/misogynist despite the fact that his opinion was solicited and given with the goal of helping women be more effective and comfortable in the workplace.
And on the other hand, Douglas Mackey is in federal prison for posting memes.
(By the way, chemjeff's support of this particular persecution is just one example of his stalinist behavior in case anybody's forgotten)
One correction. The full video was not available within hours. It was livestreamed.
Also, the judge's initial ruling said that the word "swarmed" was a word of opinion and could not be defamatory in any circumstances. That's objectively false. While "Swarmed" is opinion compared to "surrounded", it is clearly opposite of what happened, which was "stand still while someone pushes through your crowd".
I have heard several people make the statement that if this situation, a transparently and egregiously false story with live video about a child that got him death threats and nearly expelled from school, isn't considered libelous, we don't have functional defamation laws in this country.
And, despite the overwhelming situation and the best lawyers possible, he has still had only a spotty victory record.
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth: because if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them -- except force. You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and well when you are visited by the police." John Bryant
https://twitter.com/PhilHollowayEsq/status/1558074891764736004?t=-KqQzyjWN5IVxnleNPtz_Q&s=19
The White House privately demanded Twitter ban @AlexBerenson months before the company did so
Looks like Berenson has found the smoking gun linking Twitter censorship to the White House. Thus making Twitter a "state actor" for purposes of #1stamendment
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Muh private company!
LOL
https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1558080939544256514?t=NddTE82SBXChayPHq7g1Ww&s=19
On the plane to NH the night of the Iowa caucuses, Warren said: “Everyone comes up to me and says, ‘I would vote for you, if you had a penis.’”
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I always heard Native Americans had big dongs. Maybe she could identify as 1/94 penis?
Warren may lack a penis, but she’s got a big set of balls to be as big a douchebag as she is.
I hear she collects them, like scalps.
I'm 100% sure this ONLY happens in her mind. And if this really happens, what she is really saying is:
"My political party is full of shitty people!"
Yet, the idiots in MA keep voting for her.
They put him on a ventilator- wtf???
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62528689
Salman Rushdie is on a ventilator and unable to speak after being stabbed on stage in the US, his agent says.
Andrew Wylie said that the author, 75, may lose one eye after the attack at an event in New York state.
Funny that the US press can't fathom a possible motive.
The CNN article (burried on the mobile site) talks about "death threats" as a result of his book "Satanic Verses", but you have to go all the way to the bottom to learn that these unspecified death threats came from an Iranian Ayatollah and the Iranian government offered a $3 million reward for killing him. They take pains to point out that Iran distanced itself from the Fatwah (but theyir clerical leadership did not cancel it, and the public reward was moved to a private group and increased).
Al Jazeera quotes Chuck Schumer as saying that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are the most cherished values of the United States.
Too bad nobody stabbed Schumer.
Imagine if he actually believed that.
He probably does.
Makes destroying it more satisfying.
I’m very proud of everyone here for not mentioning Ayatollah Fat Wad’s actual name. That s both responsible and equitable.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who was appeased by the U.S. in the Iran-Contra Scandal, wjose pivot man, Col. Oliver North is rhapsodized by the FOXNews/Salem Radio crowd.
CNN chose to make security at the event their focal point. The institution refused to add security and metal detectors because it would damage their culture.
Did Rushdie voluntary attend the event? Did CNN lie to him about security?
This has nothing to do with CNN or Rushdie. It has everything to do with the stabber and the ayatollah.
Remember, Islam is the religion of peace. Or something. Also brotherhood. And totally not unfair to women. Or gays.
None of the articles I reviewed explained that he is under a religious order called a Fatwah that calls for him to be killed as an act of religious faith. Nor do they explain that this was not some random dude, but the leader of the theocratic council that runs Iran's government. They speak for all Shiah Muslims. A major religious sect that has calls to murder in the name of the faith.
But they did take pains to point out that Iran had distanced themselves from that order... Even as Iranian state media took time to condemn Rushdie and praise his attacker.
How much to send all these assholes to Iran?
Hey in Iran Gays get state paid for gender reassignment surgery, whether they want it or not.
You are welcome to enlist in the 100-year war with them. Personally, I'd like to leave the middle east and allow them to live as they would like and as long as they don't bother us..I don't care about the area. Old world grudges should be part of American foreign policy...
We don't need a 100 year war, only to dig our own oil and Uranium, become an energy producer again, and let the Islamofascists shrivel and die from no revenue.
What is your precise criticism here?
Do you think the CNN article should have said "Rushdie's attacker was motivated by Iran's fatwah"?
Much more importantly, are you inferring he wasn't?
Where is your evidence that he was motivated by the fatwah?
Where is your evidence that the devout Muslim who attacked him while calling him a blasphemer, wasn't motivated by the fatwah?
You're really phoning it in today, huh.
Furthermore, in the absence of such evidence of the attacker's motivations, do you think it would be responsible journalism to assume that he was motivated by the fatwah and to report that?
Yeah, must have been totally random. Or maybe trump told him to do it.
It’s like the mass shooter how killed all those people at that gay nightclub in Florida. The leftist media that Pedo Jeffy slavishly defends either reported that there was no clear motivation for the attack, or that it was because he was secretly gay. Which was completely debunked. They all literally suppressed obvious overwhelming evidence that the shooter was long since radicalized.
Lebanese-born Hadi Matar, 24, was probably an evangelical Baptist furious over Rushdie's bon vivant lifestyle, right?
So let me get this straight.
There is no concrete evidence what this guy's motivation was.
But you think 'responsible journalism' would be to assume that he was motivated by this fatwah, because he (a) has an Arab-sounding name and (b) is a devout Muslim, and that anything less means "shilling for the left". Does that about sum it up?
So "shilling for the left" means to actually investigate claims, and to not make bigoted assumptions about people?
So this is where ML inadvertently defends CNN's treatment of Nicholas Sandmann as "responsible journalism".
You really do try to make a lot of horseshit assertions. Occam's razor says a Lebanese Muslim stabbing Salman Rushdie (the most famous man in the world to have a fatwa issued against him), isn't because he just suddenly had a fanciful whim.
I don't know how you imagine you're tricking anyone.
Let's have a bet, chemjeff.
If Hadi Matar clearly wasn't inspired to kill Rushdi because of the fatwa, I'll fuck off from the Reason comments forever. If Hadi Matar clearly was inspired to kill Rushdi because of the fatwa, you fuck off from the Reason comments forever.
Do we have a deal?
Crickets.
Wouldn’t matter even if he agreed. Pedo Jeffy is a known liar. His word means nothing.
I actually do think that it is a likely possibility that he was motivated by the fatwa.
But I'm not going to declare, as of this moment, with absolute certainty, that that was the reason.
Furthermore I think it would have been irresponsible and bigoted for a media outlet to have reported that as the definitive motivation as of this moment. Because we simply don't know for certain.
And of course there is no deal, you wouldn't honor it anyway. You'd just come back as a sock.
So all that invective against me and others for stating the obvious, was for what?
And of course there is no deal, you wouldn't honor it anyway. You'd just come back as a sock.
The left always accuses other people of exactly what they planned on doing. You and shrike run a ton of socks here already, so I knew that you wouldn't really disappear. You do seem to have an attachment to your chemjeff ID, that's probably the one that they pay you on, so I thought pushing you to give that up would be fun.
It was to get you into defending CNN's journalism practices w.r.t. Nick Sandmann. Which you did.
That is what you think 'responsible journalism' is: making bigoted assumptions about people and reporting it as if it were the truth - EXCEPT when it happens to your team. If it happens to your team, of course, then it's just proof of "media bias".
It was to get you into defending CNN's journalism practices w.r.t. Nick Sandmann. Which you did."
What the ever living fuck? How the hell do you figure that?
There is a bounty and a religious order out for the man's head. A man of that religion attempts to murder him.
At the very least, mentioning that such an order exists is reasonable journalism. Even if they said "the attacker has not claimed that this is the reason, but there is a religious order to kill this man", that would be reasonable.
Omitting such an important piece of information seems negligent.
white surpremacist
Absolutely not! I mean, it’s true, but not important to the narrative. And that’s what’s important to your masters.
When a literal state media (BBC) can more accurately report than the "free press" but you need to spin for the left....
What is "spinning for the left"?
Do we actually know what this guy's motivation is?
You’re pathetic.
He's paid to be that pathetic.
Of course we do.
It's Islam. The same motivation behind the fatwa, incidentally.
But you, and media institutions, will dutifully ignore it because it makes brown arabs look bad.
That might make sense, except:
- chemjeff didn’t say the attacker wasn’t motivated by fatwa. chemjeff didn’t even say whether he personally suspects the attacker was motivated by fatwa or not.
- All chemjeff did say is that journalists should report facts rather than assumptions. Something conservative commenters here say all the time.
- chemjeff has no history of supporting leftist politics
Thanks for the chuckle Dee.
Hahahaha!!!!!! You really are two nuts in a sack. Why don’t you two lying faggots go off and fuck each other? Leave us alone so we don’t have to wade through your bullshit.
This is exactly right. I think the hypothesis that he was motivated by the fatwa is a likely hypothesis. But it's still just a hypothesis.
It is intensely amusing to see many of the people here who claim to be so opposed to media bias, argue in favor of the media purposefully being biased. Their complaints were never genuinely about 'media bias', they were about unfair treatment that they thought their tribe got.
Lying Jeffy claims he doesn’t know what “spin” means.
Do you believe him?
So his laundry takes a little longer to dry
I hope Rushdie gets a bionic eye and a new liver and carries on, as a testiment to the superiority of the Secular West and it's technology over Dark Ages Islamic thuggery!
...And I wish the same good fortune for all of Putin's tortured dissenters too.
“You’re Next!” JK Rowlings gets death threat after statement of support for Salman Rushdie
https://youtu.be/LKrfzhY9dYs
Was he threatened by Muslims, or trans activists?
Well…. The thing is, we can’t really tell..
https://9gag.com/gag/7040857
She needs protection from the 666th Supernatural Tactics Unit 🙂
https://youtu.be/xQVzZayPpUM
UPDATE Salman Rushdie is off the ventilator and able to talk
Salman Rushdie off ventilator and able to talk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62537389
His first words were: “Now, what makes you think this was linked to that silly ole fatwa?”
On the other hand, Reason sees no problem here:
https://summit.news/2022/08/12/world-economic-forum-calls-for-merging-of-human-and-ai-intel-to-censor-hate-speech-misinformation/
“By bringing human-curated, multi-language, off-platform intelligence into learning sets, AI will then be able to detect nuanced, novel abuses at scale, before they reach mainstream platforms. Supplementing this smarter automated detection with human expertise to review edge cases and identify false positives and negatives and then feeding those findings back into training sets will allow us to create AI with human intelligence baked in,” the article rambles.
What about diversity?
Diversity of thought and speech is literally the holocaust + dinosaur apocalypse
I am still confused by Brits. Is there any other country so committed to the nanny state, while balancing monarchism and socialism?
Leftists are literally, not figuratively, cancer.
Reason endorsed:
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1558429392409436165?t=1fBBhNcYkusowlegWKp4OA&s=19
Engaging with some average Americans to hear the legitimate concerns of Red State citizens.
One explains “they’re going to start up that Covid again so they can cancel the election just like they did last time.”
“Yup,” says his friend. “And now they have the monkeypox too.”
I tried to get a bet going about election cancellation but no takers.
Everyone needs to try harder to distinguish between crazy things people say and things they actually believe.
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You missed the biggest difference between US and European defamation law: in Europe, public figures receive the same protections as anybody else, whereas in the US, their protections are far weaker. Try and justify that.
But hey, don’t let me disturb you while you are wallowing in TDS.
Public officials have the authority to exercuse coercion.
Public figures is not the same as public officials.
Try again.
Odd to write about British libel laws and the reform of British libel laws without bringing up the true impetus for reform and the most eggregious cases.
Some famous medical quacks and scam artists were exposed by British skeptic science communicators and faced lawsuits where being truthful and accurate did not mean a win.
The case of Simon Singh, British hero of truth, science and free speech
https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/19/6/574/520323
Nature covering the resultant reforms
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.12874
https://twitter.com/alexchristy17/status/1558447871875325954?t=_ESeu8hpYtRcPvEyjXGrjA&s=19
Stephanie Ruhle actually argues that because it is called the Inflation Reduction Act, it shows Democrats are working to reduce inflation. Later, she asks Katie Porter to "fact check" GOP claims about 87,000 new IRS agents
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Are they that stupid, or are they now blatantly lying?
Also, further down that thread is this tweet from News That Matters:
"Elon Musk has reportedly made an offer to buy the FBI from the Clintons"
Actual LOL
Check any MSM news blurb, no mention of IRS hiring or even fighting inflation just climate change fakery.
"Elon Musk has reportedly made an offer to buy the FBI from the Clintons"
That's brilliant.
As long as we are talking about libel law and libel through implication, this article appeared at the top of my Google search page news suggestions under the headline "Several Hospitalized After Feces Exposure at Popular Water Park"
https://insidethemagic.net/2022/08/several-hospitalized-feces-exposure-popular-water-park-ab1/
Here is the lede:
Would you be surprised to learn that this article is about a contamination event at..... None of these theme parks?
"The CDC just released its incident report on the outbreak of “acute gastrointestinal illness” at a Wildlife Park in Kansas. According to the report, 27 people fell ill and three were hospitalized by two separate outbreaks involving fecal-borne pathogens shigella bacteria and norovirus when visiting Tanganyika Falls Splash Park in Goddard, Kansas."
On my device you had to scroll down 4 pages to see the name of the theme park involved. But the famous ones were right at the top.
Hey, the next public panic is not going to invent itself.
"I know it in my heart. I know it in my spirit. He has never lied about anything." -- Trump supporter outside Mar-a-Lago
So... is Trump Hitler, Billy Graham, Billy Sunday and William Jennings Bryan all rolled into one or what?
More like P.T. Barnum.
P. T. Barnum entertained people and was a actually quite a decent person. The “sucker born every minute” comment was made by a jealous competitor. I guess he was projecting like so many on the left today are wont to do.
It's a cult.
Not EVERY Trump voter is in the cult, but a lot of them are.
Read the articles about Trump supporters who travel around from rally to rally, like they are Grateful Dead concerts.
Just look at some of these:
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+trucks&sxsrf=ALiCzsbC1vyXWqxqbJwvGoiwDbzheElZEw:1660404084875&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijlaadj8T5AhUaHDQIHfxyAjwQ_AUoAnoECAIQBA&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1
Non-cultists don't do that to their trucks.
IT'S A CULT!!!!
Now let's go castrate some childrens to appease Mother Earth.
Yeah, I bet all those American flags really creeped you out.
So people that follow bands around are cult members?
It's the fact they're awful, awful pickup trucks that really got him.
If they were Subaru's garnished with rainbow flags and "I'm with her" stickers, chemleft's willy would be turgid.
Because no one who owns a truck never flies flags.
Did you see some of those trucks? Some of the owners did a lot more to them than just put flags on them.
People modifying their own property?
It’s enough to give a radical individualist a panic attack!
I think he intended the "individualist" bit as sarcasm when he created his nick.
I've seen worse by uber-libs.
They do it to stick it to democrats like you that they won’t be silenced. Trump is your boogeyman.
Have they set up any ‘autonomous zones’ yet?
Or burned down any businesses?
Or vandalized and threatened health clinics that refuse to offer abortions.
WJB resigned from the Wilson admin in protest of WWI. A hero!
"I know it in my heart. I know it in my spirit. He has never lied about anything." -- Trump supporter outside Mar-a-Lago..."
I know in my heart TDS-addled asshole Libertariantranslator should fuck off and die.
Now do Biden.
Did Biden propose to "open up the libel laws"?
Nah, Biden just wanted to put every black man in prison.
No, but he ruined hundreds of thousands of lives with his unconstitutional vaccine mandates. Plus all the associated earths resulting from that and his many other policy failures.
Oh, and like you, he’s an avid fan of grooming small children.
It couldn't happen here. The Democrats are the freedom party now....
https://twitter.com/pfizer/status/1537448552573509634?t=3t6nB7rIoH4AYAAM7P_qTw&s=19
Even mild symptoms can progress to severe #COVID19.
If you have any symptoms, test fast. Test positive and at high risk for severe COVID-19? Ask your doctor if treatment is right for you.
[Link to cdc]
I hear if you get COVID and monkey pox at the same time that your head explodes.
If that were true I would presume the rampant spread among gay men wouldn't be such a problem. Oh... you mean cranial explosion.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1558147083378491393?t=x_Xr2jnDklWaMC7nG0aZ4Q&s=19
The fact Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer is now a federal judge is something we really are not talking about enough
Nothing to see here, you QAnon conspiracy theorist.
Where's the Clinton link?
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1558330579627950080?t=_63hx0N_cULpjHwlUdMaUg&s=19
Welcome to the farmer's rebellion in the Netherlands.
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Brussels 2015, but still the heroes we need.
Oh well.
Worldwide, aggressive protests are still needed.
Yup.
Oh it's even better.
Not only was this protest not from the Netherlands, but from Belgium; not only was it from 7 years ago; but the protests at that time were farmers complaining about prices being *too low*.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tractors-block-streets-of-brussels-in-protest-against-falling-food-prices-2015-9
What did they demand?
They want the EU to provide them emergency funds and to create a "fair price" for milk.
So in that protest they were demanding redistribution and socialism. Not for "freedom".
So this Twitter guy is trying to fool you, probably intentionally. By trying to trick you into thinking that there is this massive protest in favor of "freedom" when in fact it was from 7 years ago, in another country, and they were demanding socialism. And these are the people that Nardz perpetually relies upon for news.
Because by law the Belgian dairy farmers are compelled to sell their products directly to the state.
https://agriculture.ec.europa.eu/farming/animal-products/milk-and-dairy-products_en
If those farmers had been allowed to sell on the open market internationally they would have been getting higher prices and wouldn't have had to destroy product.
But I think that you knew this and were trying to be tricky again.
I knew it would come out that Jeffy was lying and on the wrong side.
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Did I get that right? Lemme check.
*ctrl-f Trump 1/12*
Yep, got it.
Where did you get access to the Reason editorial topic plan for the week?
He peeked at their Twitter feeds.
That's also Sarcasmic's dance card.
He’s probably been serially masturbating the last few days.
Just okay Enya’s ‘Boadicea’ and intone ‘Trump’.
Trump's attorney sent a cease-and-desist letter to Michael Wolff, threatening legal action if the author insisted on publishing Fire and Fury, an exposé about Trump's inner circle.
In all fairness, even Mika Brzezinszky called Wolff out on the bullshit in his book.
I’m sure Jeffy will defend him to the ends of the earth.
You know who else’s ideas we shouldn’t be importing?
Switzerland?
MS13?
#therearenoillegalideas
The guy who cast Ezra Miller as The Flash?
Italian winemakers?
And yet the media is protected. The NYT should be sued to fing the moon for their lies about the Holodomor and the lynching of Italian Americans..yet they seem to be blessed, don't they? Why? Why is the NYT or the WAPO "special?" Absence of malice my backside.
If you don't have someone on record it is just rumors and should be grounds for libel. Yes, that would establish a good bar for balancing free speech and libel. Don't print anything unless you have names who are alleging this or that.
Just bring back dueling.
Problem solved.
Jimmy Saville raped for decades in part because nobody dared risk a libel case. That's a far better hook than cramming Trump in.
That depends if you are reporting, or trying to influence the next couple of elections, doesn't it?
"As a presidential candidate in 2016, Donald Trump famously promised to "open up those libel laws" so that aggrieved public figures like him could sue irksome critics and "win money instead of having no chance." After Trump took office, he downgraded his vow to a suggestion, possibly because someone informed him that presidents have no power to change the state laws and judicial precedents that govern defamation claims..."
To those of us not TDS-addled assholes like the author, this might be a case of a candidate over-promising.
Huh, kinda surprising that Reason would be opposed to requiring news articles, as opposed to opinion pieces, be truthful.