FDA Can't Stop Harassing Distillers Who Made Hand Sanitizer During the Pandemic
After 18 months of dealing with the FDA, some distillers are regretting making hand sanitizers at all.

One year ago, when distiller Aaron Bergh of Calwise Spirits in Paso Robles, California, donated the last of the hand sanitizer he had produced to address shortages during the early days of the COVID pandemic, he assumed that this unexpected detour in the life of his small business was behind him. Then, in June, he received an unexpected letter from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) informing him that a sample of his sanitizer taken in December 2020 exceeded temporary limits of two impurities and demanding extensive records of his production and distribution.
Bergh isn't the only one. Rebecca Harris, president of the American Craft Spirits Association, says that at least 11 distillers in nine states have received similar letters from the FDA. At primary issue is acetaldehyde, a chemical that occurs naturally in fruits and dairy products, as well as in beer, wine, and spirits. The FDA sets limits on its presence in hand sanitizer at 50 parts per million (ppm). The sample from Bergh's distillery tested at 160 ppm and 167 ppm of acetaldehyde and acetal, respectively.
There are valid reasons to limit levels of acetaldehyde in hand sanitizer. The chemical is a potential irritant and is considered a known carcinogen. Yet, it's also one that most of us consume on a regular basis due to its natural occurrence in many foods and drinks; it's also produced in our bodies whenever we have an alcoholic beverage as part of the process of breaking down ethanol. If you've enjoyed a banana or a beer recently, you've consumed acetaldehyde. As with any potentially toxic substance, the risks vary with the level and route of exposure.
The new round of letters from the FDA raises two questions. The first is whether the levels of acetaldehyde in sanitizer produced by distillers rises to levels where they pose a real risk to users. The second is, if there is a genuine risk, why has the agency waited more than 18 months after taking samples to begin acting on the test results, long after the sanitizer was distributed to health care workers and consumers?
There is surprisingly scant research on the first question. In May 2020, noting the demand for emergency ethanol-based sanitizer, Todd Pencarinha and Mark Myers of Altiras Chemicals compiled a report synthesizing existing research on the presence of acetaldehyde in foods and drinks, workplace exposure in the air, and absorption via the skin. They concluded that "hand sanitizer manufactured with ethanol containing 1000 ppm acetaldehyde exposes consumers to a far lower acetaldehyde dose than many common acceptable foods, beverages, and occupational activities, and therefore 1000 ppm is a reasonable limit."
The FDA ultimately settled on a far stricter standard of 50 ppm. This likely reflects the agency's very cautious approach to regulation. The FDA acknowledged in a recall notice from October 2021 that "the exact risk from using hand sanitizer containing benzene, acetaldehyde, or acetal is unknown."
Whatever the reasoning, 50 ppm became the standard for distillers contributing to emergency sanitizer production. Distillers I spoke to have no objection to complying with the FDA's standards, but they are frustrated that the agency is raising the issue long after they stopped producing or distributing sanitizer. "They took our samples, we didn't hear from them for a year and a half, we assumed there was no issue," says Jesse Lupo, owner and distiller at Mossy Ledge Spirits in Etna, Maine.
Acetaldehyde and acetal are commonly found in distilled ethanol, although distillers also question whether the long delay between when samples were taken and tested has contributed to the detection of impurities. They raise the possibility that, depending on how the samples were stored, hydrogen peroxide in the sanitizer may have reacted with ethanol to produce higher levels of acetaldehyde than were present at production. Bergh has requested chain of custody information from the FDA, which it has yet to provide.
Distillers do not know whether they will face recalls that might damage their reputations or be required to pay fines. Some distillers have hired legal counsel to advise them on working with the FDA, according to Rebecca Harris, which can become costly in itself. At a minimum, the letters from the FDA require the distillers to comply with complex and time-consuming records requests and to provide an "action plan and timelines for conducting full chemical and microbiological testing of retain samples within six weeks of the date of this letter to determine the quality of all batches of hand sanitizer drug product distributed in the U.S. within expiry."
Reason reached out to the FDA's press office on August 2 to ask what potential risks concern the agency with regard to distillery-produced sanitizer, why it has taken so long to address the results from testing, and what potential penalties distillers may face. At the time of publishing, the agency has not responded to these questions.
Whatever the propriety of the FDA's 50 ppm standard, the year-and-a-half gap between taking samples and notifying distillers of noncompliance raises questions about the agency's enforcement priorities. If the standard is unreasonably low, then it is imposing costs on distillers for no real benefit. If the standard protects against a real danger, then the action has come far too late to protect consumers.
Distillers "feel like it's been one thing after another," says Harris, referring to a surprise notice distilleries producing sanitizer received from the FDA in December 2020 informing them that they were obligated to pay a surprise $14,000 fee as registered drug production facilities. That fee was waived by the Department of Health and Human Services following reporting by Reason and other sources and vociferous public objections. The unexpected compliance costs some are facing now strike many as yet another undue burden. "No good deed goes unpunished" is a phrase that came up often in conversations with distillers.
The guidelines allowing beverage distillers to produce hand sanitizer when it was in short supply during the pandemic were intended to remove regulatory roadblocks, acknowledging that the emergency justified easing restrictions that make sense in normal times. Distillers saw making sanitizer as a way to stay afloat while helping their communities, but the lesson many are learning is that dealing with government regulation turns this into a mistake they would not repeat.
"At a point in time, I was so glad of sanitizer, and right now, I wish we'd never done it," says Lupo, who reports taking out a $45,000 loan to produce sanitizer at a very marginal profit. "I will not put myself on this same chopping block again."
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This Aaron Bergh?
In this thread, chemjeff and sarcasmic express enthusiastic support for State Police persecuting political foes, with but the tiniest fig leaf of legal cause.
Counterpoint: Kids should not count for the carpool lane at all. They can't fucking drive so you arn't actually saving anything.
For the carpool lane, you should have to have 2+ people in the car who have driver's licenses. Ferrying around someone who can't drive isn't actually achieving the stated purpose of the carpool lane. It is completely idiotic that someone driving in the car with their 2 year old counts as 'carpooling'
https://reason.com/2022/08/08/fda-cant-stop-harassing-distillers-who-made-hand-sanitizer-during-the-pandemic/?comments=true#comments
Oh, on another topic:
Worse than "almost anyone"... I guess when you're the one who called for shutting everything down, then you treat this as a surprise.
IF ONLY SOMEBODY HAD SEEN THIS COMING
It was only "The Economy".
The federal gov wants to push America to a low trust society. Part of that is to attack beople for doing the right thing
Fbi raiding trump properties now. Banana Republic almost complete.
It’s been a fun ride.
Last I checked they were retrieving classified material. Or does the law not apply to your Dear Leader. (no question mark means it's a rhetorical question. you don't have to answer it.)
Last you checked huh? Did you say the same about Hillary? Do you understand who has classification authority?
The evil hag Queen that was harvesting Adenochrome from babies so that she could fight off her Parkinson’s? What an injustice!
WHATABOUT? ARF! ARF! WHATABOUT?
We call that precedent and selective enforcement.
Calling something a "whataboutism" only tells me you have no standards or issues with hypocrisy.
What about running an unsecured server out of you bathroom?
Fuck you.
And the FBI scrutinized Hillary over her server. As they should have.
GFY
You first.
Die, Stalinist pedophile.
They raided her residence? Opened a safe with a safe cracker? Took boxes and boxes of materials not pertinent to the search?
Maybe they didn't need to. Maybe there was no safe to be cracked. Maybe different situations call for different strategies.
As I showed above, Hillary turned over her server voluntarily. Begrudgingly, but voluntarily.
There is no necessary logical reason for Trump and Hillary to have been treated *exactly the same*.
Is the argument here that if Trump was raided, that means Hillary should have been raided, and because she wasn't, that's proof of partisan foul play?
Yeah, kinda.
They took the DNC's word on the "hacked" server, and covered up for Hillary.
Pedojeff stalinist liar is an enemy combatant and legitimate target of opportunity.
You did what now? You showed she kept it for multiple years, searched. And then wiped it? No FBI raids?
You really are a fucking partisan shit.
Hillary turned over her server voluntarily.
After making sure to delete several thousand files that she was required to preserve pursuant to the Official Records Act, which the server existed to violate in the first place.
-jcr
WHATABOUT? ARF! ARF! WHATABOUT?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11093449/FBI-agents-raid-Mar-Lago-Trump-says-home-siege-agents.html
FBI raided Mar-a-Lago TODAY as part of investigation into 'classified material Trump took after departing White House': Ex-president confirms 'my home was under siege by large group of agents who even broke into my safe'
No shit. That's what they do when they have search warrants.
They could ask him for materials as he was working with the DoJ moron. Did the FBI raid Hillary for her server?
We get it. You don't give a fuck about consistent application of the law.
Did the FBI raid Hillary for her server?
I believe she handed it over voluntarily.
No she didn't. She deleted her server after having it for years. She had over 2000 remaining pieces of classified intel.
It also included documents where she removed the markings.
They never raided her house.
Trump was handing over documents dummy.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-return-documents-archives-viewed-132735354.html
If Hillary didn't deserve to be raided neither did he. Fucking moron.
https://apnews.com/article/40f1d5d9d6cc411a83e8466253e6ef3e
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton relented Tuesday to months of demands she relinquish the personal email server she used while secretary of state, directing the device be given to the Justice Department.
What was the date jeffrey?
In case anyone is uninformed like jeff... hillary left the state department in 2013. The article jeff cites as returning classified documents is 2015.
Jeff is a fucking moron.
Hey, at least she made sure to wipe it down clean for them just before doing so
If Hillary didn't deserve to be raided neither did he.
Why? Because one's on Team Red and one's on Team Blue?
Blind justice? Fuck jeff, youre defending unequal application.
But the cause of justice was not served in the case of Hillary, right?
Are you arguing for "blind justice", or are you arguing for putting a perception of partisan fairness ahead of the cause of justice?
Do you think that possibly the details of the two cases might be different enough to warrant different approaches?
Or is the rule here, that if Team Blue isn't raided, then Team Red shouldn't be raided either, "for fairness"?
Yes, there is hard proof Hillary violated the law. And Hunter. And therefore Joe
And now perhaps Trump.
Throw them all in jail. Maybe they can all be cellmates.
Need me to find your posts on hillary?
Go ahead if you want to waste your time on it.
Don’t really meed to. He’s defending her here in this very thread. And he defended a second Republican candidate for office in Michigan being prosecuted in the am links.
Jeffy’s made it quite clear he supports political prosecutions against his (the lefts) enemies.
Good point rmac. Jeff is applauding an unequal justice system.
Jeff is applauding an unequal justice system.
this comment comes right after I write
Throw them all in jail
lol
Which you did after defending Hillary several times, and knowing she’s not actually going to be arrested.
I really hope you don’t imagine anyone buys your bullshit.
Jeff pretends he can throw an aside comment after defending something for a dozen posts to hide his partisanship. Jeff is an idiot.
Yes jeff. Trump bad Hillary good. We understand your viewpoint leftist fuck.
Presidents actually have classification authority. The SoS only has derivative. Months vs years. Every fact is worse in your favor shit weasel.
Trump bad Hillary good.
No no. We understand your standard is "Hillary Bad, Trump Perpetually Given Benefit Of Doubt".
Presidents actually have classification authority
He's not president anymore.
Thanks pee wee herman with that stunning rebuttal.
She wiped it. With a cloth. And Bkeachbit. And a hammer
The hammer was for her phones. Lying Jeffy is pretending he doesn’t know about that.
Go kill yourself.
Jeff.
You first.
Fuck you pedophile
whatever. go ahead and call me a racist Nazi while you're at it. anything to virtue signal to your tribe that you are upping the ante in the denunciations of those not in the tribe. do you score status points in the tribe with bigger and bigger putdowns?
The guy supporting political prosecutions is calling others tribalist.
I never posted kiddy porn links and I don't defend child sexual abuse in any way shape or form. You are a moron.
Are you wrong or lying?
Remember when Trump's rhetoric about locking Hillary up was considered an untoward threat of vengeance against a political opponent that was dangerous to our democratic institutions?
No respect for institutions or rule of law. It's you who wants the Banana Republic.
Was he working with the DoJ and responding to subpoenas prior? Yes or no? Did they raid Hillary house over the same issue? Yes or no? Do you understand what classification authority is and who it resides under? Yes or no?
You know the claims are bullshit and this is a means to generate headlines. Even you aren't that fucking stupid.
Eventually the tables will be turned, and when they are, this Reason staff writer (he's absolutely 100% a staff sock) will be crying like the bitch that he is.
Here is sarc on Hillary server.
sarcasmic
March.29.2015 at 12:06 pm
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Laws only matter if they are enforced. In this case no one will enforce the law, so it doesn't matter.
LOL, you need to get a life.
Some of us know how websites work and can find past comments in a few minutes. Sarc spends his life being a lying hypocrite and should just leave the website.
I thought the president and former presidents enjoyed some kind of super level qualified immunity. Now Trump has to run again - win - and then figure out a way to get rid of his enemies with some drone bombing accidents or something.
Elias and the dems think they can get him woth criminal charges to make him running not allowed.
That is their end goal and they are open about it.
Elias and the dems think they can get him woth criminal charges to make him running not allowed.
Where is this claim being made?
GFY
Maybe you should be the one to fuck off.
Sea lion says what? They haven't exactly been hiding this shit weasel. I gave you names. Easy to find.
And sarc and Jeffy support it.
I get the strategy, but it will also increase his resolve to try and win.
Oh, you are referring to Team Blue trying to use the Fourteenth Amendment to disqualify some Republicans from even running.
The Fourteenth Amendment doesn't prohibit people from running if they are charged with a crime, even if it's a criminal charge. It only disqualifies people who "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same [the US Constitution], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof"
So even if Trump is charged criminally with breaking a law relating to classified documents, it wouldn't change anything with respect to the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yeah, they’re not trying to go after anyone for insurrection. That would be crazy.
I do appreciate how thoroughly you’ve exposed yourself to everyone on these boards.
So far they admitting to blowing a new safe there finding nothing and leaving with boxes of documents without searching them for classified material.
The claims of the classified material seem to be a means to collect evidence not related. Odds they get a judge to oversee document control? Near zero.
Yeah, IANAL, but I always thought search warrants were for specific items, and they should only take what was in the warrant.
Curious how Jeffy will spin that if those reports are confirmed.
https://www.ibtimes.com/heres-how-democrats-can-stop-trump-running-president-2024-3576806
If they do that, they're inviting an actual insurrection.
https://www.progressivepolicy.org/publication/the-new-politics-of-evasion%20%5Bprogressivepolicy-org%5D/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/04/donald-trump-presidential-run-20204
You really are a gaslighting shit weasel.
Umm, I acknowledge above that Team Blue, at least some portion of it, is trying to use the Fourteenth Amendment to disqualify some Republicans, including Trump.
So I guess this is where you make a false accusation against me because it earns attaboys from your team.
And as I point out, the 14th amendment only applies to claims of 'insurrection or rebellion'. Stealing classified document isn't either one of those.
I just posted Elias below you retarded fuck.
And I didn't see it until after I posted the above comment.
Thanks for actually providing a citation for once.
God you’re a terrible person.
Some headlines from google:
"Clinton Lawyer: FBI Raid Designed to Disqualify Trump from “Holding Any Office” Ever Again"
"Trump could be disqualified from holding office again over classified documents, says lawyer"
"Tell the Senate: Convict and disqualify Trump"
"Trump Raid May Aim to Disqualify Him From Running"
"We now have more than enough evidence to disqualify Trump from ever holding office again. Just read the fine print from 18 U.S. Code § 2071" [That's the Daily Kos]
"Lawyer Marc Elias Shows the Mar-a-Lago Raid is All About Disqualifying Trump in 2024"
And it's been going on for a while before this recent flare-up...
"Trump’s latest outbursts ‘should disqualify him from ever holding office again’: analysis" (from January)
"Could Trump Really Be Disqualified From Holding Office Again?" (January)
"These 2 Laws Could Help Ban Trump From Running For Presidency Again" (February)
Elias from today shit weasel.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-disqualified-holding-office-lawyer-us-code-fbi-raid
Oh well that is a different argument then. Well, it does seem as though, according to that law, if Trump destroyed classified documents, that he would be ineligible to run again. Huh. Well then I hope for your sake Trump didn't actually destroy any classified documents.
Jeff. What are the constitutional requirements to run? Does a law trump a constitution. I know you applaud this shit. And you just admitted to being ignorant yet again. But think it through slowly.
Well I think to form an educated opinion, we'll have to understand the context behind that law. No of course the law does not trump the Constitution, but surely the authors of that law understood that when they wrote it, so I'd like to read what they were thinking when they wrote it before coming to a firm conclusion. Unlike you, I don't really like making sweeping conclusions based on very limited information.
Sure you don’t.
A lot of words for "no."
But what you denied above you see what the intent here is. And you seemingly continue to applaud it. You are advocating for lawfare. A favorite of authoritarians.
Nobody here is shocked by it.
Yes Jesse we know. Either I must support the most extreme Team Red narrative on the matter or I am a Team Blue partisan. There is no in between. There is no space in the middle for "let's get more facts before coming to a firm conclusion". It is either THEY FINALLY GOT TRUMP or IT'S BANANA REPUBLIC. There is no in between!
Hey Nardz, target rich area in your state!
Not quite
Boehm is already writing the article for tomorrow. It's been to tough slog pulling this one together, as he's already had 2 unconsciousness inducing orgasms.
I thought sullum did the lock him up write ups.
It’ll be like Roe. Everyone on the staff will get an article cheering it. You know, because it’ll be great for accountability.
Woodchipper sales boom.
Trump declined to say why the FBI agents were at Mar-a-Lago, but the former President said the raid was unannounced and "they even broke into my safe."
"My beautiful home, Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents," he said in a statement.
OMG!!! It’s the end of the Republic. I mean all Dear Leader did is encourage a mob out to kill the Vice President and hunting for the Speaker of the House. I can’t wait for Tucker to tell us all how the US government now looks like Venezuela. So unfair to Dear Leader!
No he didn't.
Kinda fucked up the parody pedo. Not that it was working anyway.
I’m gonna try really hard to forget that you dropped character.
Why?
Of course you are.
Where did I do that? This Black and gay conservative is already ready to move to Russia where he can be free (and gay) alongside the leader of the free world, V Putin. Satisfied? I’m sorry… I’m just a little shook up tonight after witnessing this terrible injustice directed at the man who most encompasses my sexual desires. You’d sound funny too, but you’re a dirty lib and probably fuck children so you wouldn’t even understand.
Too stupid to understand how you fucked up? Sad.
And now the FBI, without the knowledge of the White House (yeah, tell me another sweet lie), has raided the former President's home at Mar a Lago.
August 8, 2022 is the day we officially turned into a third-world shit-hole.
This time last year, the Taliban were marching on Kabul. Convenient that it's not getting much coverage.
God! Is this the same FBI that will barge into Trump’s home at the wedding chapel but won’t issue a warrant to investigate John Podesta’s child torture dens at Comet Pizza Bing Bong? You know what I call that? The Deep State. That’s what. Dear Leader is totally innocent. That call where he asked the Georgia Secretary of State to find 11,201 votes was just a round number he came up with in his head.
"This likely reflects the agency's very cautious approach to regulation."
Lol
Chances are they were paid off by a hand sanitizer company to keep the standards excessively high in order to stiffle competition and keep the prices high. Not because they give a shit about safety.
The democrats CAN actually kill people and still not be arrested.
Trump may have a few personal notes from people during his Presidency, and they send in the FBI. Remember Sandy Berger, the former National Security Adviser under the Clinton Administration, illegally took classified documents from the National Archives. He walked out of the national archives with documents stuffed down his pants. And, he continued to walk each day a free man until his death six or seven years ago.
The FBI has had Hunter Biden's laptop for over two years now. They have true evidence of crimes, and nothing at all. He lied on his firearms permit application, and still nothing has been done.
And still, even after the Russian collusion Clinton conspiracy, the legal profession, both in academia and practicing attorneys remain quiet. Those that speak out are fired and disbarred so they all obey their masters.
Reason, if it wants to keep what is left of its credibility should come out soon with an article condemning the actions by the Biden administration. If they do not, then they are an embedded part of the new third-world government.
Reason, if it wants to keep what is left of its credibility should come out soon with an article condemning the actions by the Biden administration.
Maybe the REASONable thing to do first is to not rush to judgment, not jump on the hysteria bandwagon, and learn more about the facts of the matter before forming a conclusion or issuing condemnations?
"Maybe the REASONable thing to do first is to not rush to judgment, not jump on the hysteria bandwagon, and learn more about the facts of the matter before forming a conclusion or issuing condemnations?"
_________
It's easy to conclude you are an idiot.
When in our nation has a President been told he would be impeached practically on his first day in office? When has a President had investigation after investigation instigated against him, all to be proven false? All because he beat the anointed one.
When has..
Oh shit..I'm responding to the idiot.
Nevermind.
When in our nation has a President been told he would be impeached practically on his first day in office?
https://www.mediamatters.org/michael-savage/savage-declares-emerging-dictator-obama-be-out-control-and-says-i-think-it-time
Savage declares emerging “dictator[]” Obama to be “out of control” and says “I think it is time to start talking about impeachment”
of course this was in March 2009
Nice neutral sources you are using there.
Dude, that’s a fucking radio talk show host, lol.
Where’s the fun in that.
Fire extinguishers.
Many commenters here won’t be happy until Reason becomes OAN.
Reason just plain doesn’t do condemnation or diatribes. Gillespie goes on a snarky rant about once a week.
You and Jeff won't be happy until the US is venezuela.
someone's just a wee bit emotional this evening
And we know you’re excited about your political enemies being prosecuted.
Speaking of you being excited, here’s another reminder to stay away from your neighbor’s children.
Watching an abusive and political government start to go after political enemies does that to honest people.
You seem overly happy. But you applaud it.
Good to see you finally admit that you post on the basis of emotion and outrage rather than from logic and reason.
Lol, you think Reason is going to condemn this? Did they denounce what they did to Flynn? No. When Peter Navarro was perp walked in shackles off an airplane? No. When they told CNN to be at Roger Stone’s house for a pre-dawn raid? No. Unconstitutional 1/6 kangaroo court? Not only no, but they support it.
Reason has decided to keep their mouths shut during this entire charade because Orange Man Bad, and it’s not going to change.
In a way, it serves them right, jumping on the Covid hysteria and trying to make a quick buck on something that was largely useless.
Still a dick move though
It was only because the CDC was spreading misinformation about how COVID spread that people believed in the hand sanitizer. I don't blame the distillers at all, and am highly annoyed that the FDA's actions pretty much ensure that private industry will not jump in to retool to fight whatever the next pandemic is (which could very well be one that actually does spread via contact/fomites).
It's the beauty of markets. There's always someone willing to supply a demand.
Mobilizing the militia to deal with a public health emergency like covid - and there was a real shortage of hand sanitizer early on - would have reduced the role of full-time bureaucrats.
I'm hearing through the grapevine that the fbi raided trump's private residence.
Does anyone else get the banana republic vibe that I'm getting?
Everyone except Jeffsarc. They think this is just peachy. But they’re not lefties!
It is amazing to watch those two leftist losers rationalize their belief system and then claim others are the fascists.
It's akin to a bunch of "communists" dressing similarly on the street and beating the shit out of people they disagree with, then calling themselves anti-fascist without seeing the irony
What are you talking about? If Joe Biden has any flaws, and I have yet to see evidence that he does, it would be that he's too honest and decent. That chick on PBS said so.
It's worse than a banana republic.
It's nazi/Soviet totalitarianism soon.
On top of all this, hands-to-face transmission has long ceased to be a concern in the pandemic.
Poor Dear Leader.
https://twitter.com/RonDeSantisFL/status/1556803433939755010?t=y1oIUB7lIb7c5z-FaZpV2Q&s=19
The raid of MAL is another escalation in the weaponization of federal agencies against the Regime’s political opponents, while people like Hunter Biden get treated with kid gloves. Now the Regime is getting another 87k IRS agents to wield against its adversaries? Banana Republic.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/covid-data-the-ira-and-political
You know what I’ve learned from you guys in the Mises/GOP libertarian coalition? The law is the law so…
18 U.S. Code §2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally provides:
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States….
Fucked up again pedo.
Sorry, I’m just not myself. I thought to myself… what would Dear Leader do at a sad time like this?
I know. He’d do a bunch of blow and then rape his prostitute wife from Slovakistan… but that would mean I’d actually have to touch an icky, slimy vagina. {Shudder}. I just can’t, ok? I have my limits.
Repeats leftist talking points to defend against political lawfare. Thinks he is the good guy.
The US Code is "leftist talking points". Got it.
Is this relevant to anything? Has someone been accused of destroying documents that had been filed with a clerk or official of a court or public office?
Good god, the FBI raids Trump's home, and Reason writes about hand sanitizers.
WTF is wrong with you people?
This action by the FDA puts the lie to the politician's idea that industrial production can be easily converted on the fly, especially in today's regulatory environment.
At this point it has become clear that the FDA is not incompetent, but malicious. I would rather be at the mercy of charlatans than an agency that has power and an evil intent.
It is time to dismantle 80% of the federal government and return power to a more local level. Preferably more local than the state level.
If by "more local level" you mean the individual then I'm with you. Governments at all levels have too much power. Shifting the power the federal government has usurped to the State or city level ain't really gonna help.
People always make the comment that local governments are usually more corrupt, but really it's because having the politician as your neighbor means you can keep a better eye on them. Local governments aren't more corrupt, we're just better able to recognize it and shifting power to the local levels will absolutely help
No need to argue about the proper function of the FDA...
It has ZERO authority by the "people's law" (U.S. Constitution) over their government. A Gov-Gun toting regime (i.e. monopoly of guns) with absolutely NO-BOUNDARIES is bound to turn into a Nazi-Regime.. The Supreme Law must be honored and obeyed if the USA is ever going to survive.
the whole hand sanitizer thing was unnecessary. i hate using that shit and never used it once during the "pandemic". somehow i didn't die.
Yeah, but how many people did you kill?
Neither has sanitizers nor masks are inherently bad. They work against some diseases, just not COVID.
The fda is a bloated self serving behometh of a bureaucracy that has outlived its usefulness. It is a dinosaur that does more harm than good.
> After 18 months of dealing with the FDA, some distillers are regretting making hand sanitizers at all.
Cool. If you want to introduce a product to the public, there should be a bar to clear. Regulation saves lives. This is only controversial among people constitutionally capable of empathy or caring about their fellow man & then turning their mental illness into a political ideology, AKA libertarians
Normal people feel compassion for their suffering fellow man. If you feel empathy for people you don't know, you are either lying or you are mentally ill.
Regulations kill. But virtue-signaling imbeciles like you don't care about who you kill as long as you can feel good about yourself.
As if we needed further proof that government is completely untrustworthy.....
Consumers need more choice when buying products. They may need to confront possibilities that a business may not be approved by the FDA or that their ingredient levels may not comply with FDA thinking.
If you don't want to be treated like this by the FDA, then do not accept FDA approval on your product.
I doubt they have that much choice. It seems to me that the FDA is not a fit judge for what products fit the unique circumstances of a given territory. How can they know that what their science approves of as tested in Maine will work equally well when used in Florida on people?
FDA looks like a bad deal to me, not that there should not be a public record of product ingredients and demonstrated claims of potencies.
Classy.
I'm not jumping on the right-wing hysteria band wagon, that is right. It doesn't mean that Team Blue isn't worthy of criticism. It just means I'm not going to dissolve into an emotional pool of outrage like Team Red routinely does.