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Cryptocurrencies

The Missing Cryptoqueen Details the Rise and Fall of Ruja Ignatova's OneCoin Con

Jamie Bartlett's gripping look at the schematics and psychology of a scam

Andrea O'Sullivan | From the August/September 2022 issue

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The Missing Cryptoqueen: The Billion Dollar Cryptocurrency Con and the Woman Who Got Away with It, by Jamie Bartlett, Hachette Books, 320 pages, $29

Newcomers to bitcoin sometimes dismiss the cryptocurrency as a pyramid or Ponzi scheme. The OneCoin scam shows what it really looks like when a fake blockchain serves as cover for a multilevel marketing fraud that pays early investors with funds from new marks.

Here we see the near-messianic pageantry common to overhyped projects. We see Matryoshka armies of international holding companies and frontmen. We see starry-eyed everymen scrambling to invest every last family dollar in "educational materials" that come with "free" coins (to avoid triggering regulations). We see Curaçaoan banking consortia, Maltese gambling concerns, and a mysterious maven manipulating everything behind the scenes before absconding suddenly into the night.

Jamie Bartlett's The Missing Cryptoqueen details the sleazy rise and unsatisfying fall of the OneCoin con while investigating the possible whereabouts of the swindler behind it all: a runaway wannabe-fashionista from Bulgaria named Ruja Ignatova.

In an industry rife with swindles, OneCoin is in a league of its own.

It is common for cryptocurrency projects to overpromise on technology or skimp on security, leading to large losses on the market or in user wallets. It is not normal for a cryptocurrency to be structured like a multilevel marketing scheme, paying "investors" more on a defined schedule when they recruit others. Nor is it normal for the coin to be completely managed by a for-profit company without any actual blockchain at all, unbeknownst to the many eager "package holders." Consequently, no other alleged cryptocurrency has managed to concoct a mammoth Ponzi scheme resulting in $4 billion to $15 billion in losses. Only Bernie Madoff can compare.

Ignatova had no expertise in computer science or technology. Her main selling points were that she used to be a consultant at McKinsey—so impressive—and liked to wear long gowns and red lipstick. This, combined with her exotic Germano-Bulgarian accent and links with various Sofia elites, proved enough to dazzle gullible targets into putting far too much money into her blockamamie scheme.

Bartlett, who chronicled the early bitcoin and contemporary cypherpunk communities in his 2014 work The Dark Net, teases out what few threads we have on the furtive Ignatova to weave a portrait of an ambitious and shameless con woman who stopped at very little to project the image of herself that she wanted onto the world. She wanted to be rich, she wanted to be glamorous, and she wanted to be famous. Exactly how she got there was not her concern.

In 2013, Ignatova teamed up with Sebastian Greenwood, a key grifter in this tale, who was at that point hawking a "new Facebook" multilevel marketing scheme called SiteTalk. He was impressed by Ignatova's "bitcoin, but for pensions" conference concoction and saw an opportunity to combine the hype-driven worlds of cryptocurrency and multilevel marketing to extract maximum profits. They shamelessly ripped off an existing hybrid called BigCoin and slapped a new name on it: OneCoin.

The masterminds behind OneCoin clearly thought little about such trifling details as launching a blockchain or coin economics. Rather, they focused their energies on recruiting top multilevel marketing talent: They poached top sellers from existing pyramids and tried to sell them on the OneCoin idea. The pitch was basically that this ball-gowned Bulgarian would kill bitcoin and "make you rich." For whatever reason, this was enough to give OneCoin momentum, and the scam started selling itself.

One strength of The Missing Cryptoqueen is Bartlett's ability to blend gripping storytelling with the rather dry regulatory context and legalese necessary to understand how Ignatova pulled this off and just how brazen the endeavor was. For example, the OneCoin team knew that if their pyramid sold coins directly, they could easily run afoul of securities regulations, as they would essentially be paying commissions on stock trading. Instead, the team sold "educational materials" about OneCoin that were tied to "free coins." A "starter pack" cost €100, or $138 USD, for a PDF and around 200 coins; a "Tycoon Trader" package would run you $6,900 for five PDFs and 28,000 coins.

If you sold Tycoon Trader packages to other marks, you would get a cut of any sales they made after that; this is your "downline," and it's where the real money is made in multilevel marketing schemes. The idea is to expand your downline as much as possible. In practice, this means cajoling friends and family members into the pyramid. The top tiny percent, called the "Crown Diamonds," made off with millions in downline commissions. The vast majority made chicken feed, but there was always the promise that OneCoin would "go public"—be traded on a major exchange like Binance—and get a ticket "to the moon."

The currency itself was a big fake. Purchasers would see coins in their wallet after purchasing an educational package. But there was no blockchain there at all, just a database that would credit and debit as requested—at least usually. The only exchange on which OneCoin could be traded, xcoinx, was secretly owned by OneCoin, which manipulated the price. Another pressure valve was Dealshaker, supposedly an Amazon killer, where OneCoin promoters could sell tchotchkes for their fake coins. The websites were amateurish and hardly functional, with misspelled FAQ pages.

On paper, people were millionaires. Xcoinx would limit sales, set the price, and arbitrarily double the coins to make people feel like they were rich. They earnestly believed they could retire to a yacht one day. This hope was enough to keep dupes holding the bag for far too long; as Bartlett wrote his book, some stubborn devotees were still holding and trading OneCoin. Meanwhile, Ignatova and her co-conspirators treated the OneCoin bank accounts like personal piggy banks, buying multimillion-dollar homes across the world and investing in sketchy projects however they saw fit.

Ignatova and her cronies never cared about OneCoin. They didn't care about the ideas they threw around in public, like "banking the world's poor" or the "financial revolution" or even killing bitcoin. They wanted to make money and get out, and Bartlett marshals the panicked communications that show Ignatova scrambling for an exit while the international financial surveillance system crashed down onto her billion-dollar fraud. OneCoin kept chugging to the bitter end, running on fumes and a phantom staff well after Ignatova disappeared somewhere within Greece in 2017. Bartlett's best guess is that she is living in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea.

This book is packed with scurrilous subplots and tacky characters, and it offers an illuminating look at the world of international finance and the many traps that eventually did OneCoin in. It comes at an opportune time, given the public's ample appetite these days for a good scam story. Hulu's The Dropout and Apple TV'S WeCrashed got loud buzz by dramatizing how narcissists can exploit techno-optimism and plain old human greed. The former covers Elizabeth Holmes and her bloodsucking Theranos scam, while the latter tackles WeWork, Adam and Rebekah Neumann's kombucha-soaked and Vision Fund-ed office cult.

Perhaps we will see a similar streamed or televised treatment of "Dr. Ruja," as she insisted on being called, and the black hole of the OneCoin world. Like Holmes and the Neumanns, she makes a great villain. But Ignatova is different, and arguably more sinister, than those better-known charlatans.

Theranos and WeWork humiliated elites who poured in their money and reputations based on the charm and visions of their charismatic founders. These companies certainly hurt many average people along the way; WeWork exploited its employees, while Theranos exposed patients to possibly deadly health misinformation. But in terms of investment, it was mostly the well-to-do who were on the hook.

With OneCoin, by contrast, Ignatova and her team of lawyers, moneymen, brand consultants, and multilevel marketing maestros shamelessly targeted and stole from average people—in many cases, some of the world's most vulnerable. Even Ignatova's brother Konstantin, who ran the scam after Ruja disappeared, felt a twinge of guilt as he hawked OneCoin packages to unsuspecting farmers in Mbarara, Uganda.

The complication with multilevel marketing frauds and Ponzi schemes is that the victims are often accomplices. They are so blinded by promises of riches that they harangue loved ones to join, using the same lies that worked on them. This can encourage people to double down on their beliefs, because admitting that you were suckered into a fraud also means admitting that you lured your family with the same false promises.

The Missing Cryptoqueen is a fascinating look into the schematics and psychology of a scam. Let's hope more people learn about the OneCoin debacle and the woman behind it. Everyday people need to protect themselves against such predation, whether or not Ignatova ever sees her day in court.

This article originally appeared in print under the headline "ScamCoin."

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Andrea O'Sullivan is the Director of the Center for Technology and Innovation at the James Madison Institute in Tallahassee, Fla. Her work focuses on emerging technologies, cryptocurrency, surveillance, and the open internet.

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    2. CE   3 years ago

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    But as my favorite Republican Liz Cheney knows, #DeathSantis is also completely unacceptable.

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    #LibertariansForEmbracingIraqWarSupporters
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    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Don't knock Frum and Kristol. Their rhetoric saved Iraq and Afghanistan and turned them into the freedom-loving economic powerhouses we see today.

  6. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The new 15% tax in the falsely named Inflation Reduction Act does not only fall to companies with 1 billion in revenue, but on any business that gets private equity investments from a company of over 1 billion, as the law considers them a subsidiary for tax purposes.

    https://www.atr.org/breaking-dem-change-to-book-tax-threatens-small-business/

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      I think it's neat how the planned inflation reductions don't kick in until after 2026, but the spending does.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I mean you do realize the post is regarding k-12 public education while democrats fight to continue forcing kids into those programs fighting school choice every step of the way right jeff?

      Youre free to be a supporting socialist. Nobody is calling for government to censor you.

      The quote you listed is objecting to government indoctrination kids from a socialist perspective.

      Hint. Give universal school choice and people wouldn't be outraged. But you aren't mad at this, you're mad at people calling out the indoctrination of critical theories in k-12. Lol.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Whoops. Meant for below.

      2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        That last is what really irks me about recent Reason ideology. The libertarian angle of less government has been AWOL for some time, replaced by calls for better taxation, not less of it.

  7. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    Oh look. The "new-and-improved" Libertarian Party comes out in favor of red-baiting and Bircher-style paranoia.

    https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1555977038775091200

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Looks like he's trying to appeal to Nardz and Sevo.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Wow, sarcasmic! I figured chemjeff to be a fan of Marcuse and Freire, but honestly didn't expect you to be.
        Just out of curiosity, why do you agree that it's paranoia to call proud communists, "communist"?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse#The_New_Left_and_radical_politics

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          You didnt expect him to be? He freely said the right was anti liberty and the left was aligned with libertarians just a few days ago.

          The grooming of him with attaboys by Jeff and Mike is complete.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            I just got a mental visual of a meth addict with a mullet getting headpats from Jabba the Hut.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Turns out Dee isn’t actually a bird after all:

              https://us.v-cdn.net/5020761/uploads/editor/xd/qawjs3t7odg4.jpeg

        2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          Quick question
          Sarc, would you let Chem Jeff babysit your daughter?

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            chemjeff radical individualist
            August.7.2022 at 9:39 am
            Flag Comment Mute User
            I think that if there is going to be a discussion about 'safe sex', it should include a discussion about safe sex in the context of anal sex as well. Do you agree?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              Yes, and?
              For a highschool-level sex ed class, if there is going to be a discussion about safe sex, why not?

              What is your specific objection?

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                I hope your neighbors keep their children away from you.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                It's self-evident, creepshow. You didn't have to ask.

                1. R Mac   3 years ago

                  If schools are gonna teach sex-ed, why not teach teabagging?

                  — Pedo Jeffy

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                  So you don't have a specific objection then.
                  You just don't like it because it's "icky".

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    That's not what I said, Lying Jeffy.
                    I said that the objection is self-evident, not icky... though getting your dick covered in shit is gross.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                      It is not self-evident to me.
                      So what is your reason?

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      It's teaching anal sex, a dangerous activity and normalizing it. An asshole isn't built for buggery contrary to what you learned from porn, Jeff. Intestines are easily perforated and almost impossible to repair without surgery.
                      That's why the Office of the Surgeon General recommends people practice frottage instead.

                      So no, they shouldn't be teaching anal sex to kids.

                      But I'm sure that you knew this and as I said, it's self-evident. But you're notorious for bad faith arguments, so here we are.

              3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                How did society ever survive without teaching high schoolers how to do anal sex.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                  It's not teaching kids HOW to do anal sex.
                  It's teaching kids - IF you do anal sex, THESE are some safe-sex practices to follow.

                  Do you understand the difference?

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    They're teaching how. Lube, penetration, the whole shebang.
                    Fuck, they were teaching it 20 years ago when I was in school, much to the parents consternation.

                    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      I like how jeff pretends to be an expert on school taught sex ed despite to not having children. He will attack the parents exposed to it who have the actual information. But jeff doesn't need that. He just knows.

                    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                      And Jeff "knows" that society, i.e. whatever more enlightened party and policy he prefers, has more rights to direct the education and growth of children than their parents.

                  2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    What changes with anal sex that isn't safe sex for general sex? Have you ever been laid? STDs? Then don't have to talk about how to have sex, just likely diseases.

              4. Nardz   3 years ago

                *Frank Reynolds chainsaw gif*

          2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            I have Chem Jeff and sarc muted, is it worth uutung them to see their responce to what should be an easy straight forward question?

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              I don't know.
              Jeffy just redirects or reframes constantly to what he wants to say, so he'll never give a real answer.

              If sarc's been drinking though it's totally worth it.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Nope. Usual sophistry and right blaming.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

          It's paranoia to be hunting for communists lurking around every corner.

          It's paranoia to claim that teachers who want to promote tolerance and acceptance in a classroom to be "communist".

          And it's not a good look for libertarians who are supposed to be the "adults in the room" when it comes to the two squabbling tribes and their petty culture wars.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            They aren't lurking. They are open and loud about it dummy.

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Pretending Marcuse and Freire didn't appear in the comment I see.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              Marcuse and Freire are dead.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Oh wow. Hitler's dead too, let's base educational programs on his ideas.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Lol.

                2. Utkonos   3 years ago

                  You know who else would second that motion?

        4. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

          Should ideas from Marcuse and Freire be banned from the classroom?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            And Jeff retreats to a different argument as if CRT isn't being pushed to subjects like math and science despite the dozens of links he has been given.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              In case you hadn't noticed, I'm trying to discern what you are actually FOR, rather than what you are simply against.

              I get it that you are against CRT, Marcuse, Freire, critical theory, anything that remotely sounds like critical theory, Marxism, communism, socialism, leftism, anything that even vaguely sounds like an idea that is to the left of Ted Cruz. I get it.

              But what do you want to do about it? All I see from you is just endless bitching about it.

              You are against "grooming" and "sexualizing children". Okay, fine. If you took a poll, I gather 99% of people would also say they are against those things. Because these terms are vague and ill-defined. "Grooming" sounds like child abuse and "sexualizing children" sounds like pedophilia. And no sane person is in favor of those things. The hard part is how to distinguish between legitimate classroom activities, and "grooming"/"sexualizing children". That is what you refuse to do. You and your team want to have the benefit of lumping everything you don't like into a vague category that sounds like child abuse without ever defining what you stand for or what your proposed solution is.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                "I get it that you are against CRT, Marcuse, Freire, critical theory, anything that remotely sounds like critical theory, Marxism, communism, socialism, leftism, anything that even vaguely sounds like an idea that is to the left of Ted Cruz."

                Marxist theories created by Marxists using Marxism as the basis are being used in public schools, but if you complain you're just being reactionary.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                  Like what? Give a specific example.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    Go listen to James Lindsay. As you've been told numerous times. He cites the source material and derivations of critical theory through the last few decades.

                    At this point youre just proving you are intentionally ignorant.

                  2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Fuck you, you sealioning clown! Go google it yourself... is what I'd like to say.
                    But for the sake of gullible halfwits like sarc who may otherwise be inclined to fall for your bullshit, here:

                    Marcuse and Analytical Marxism

                    and

                    MEET THE FOUNDER OF MODERN AMERICAN MARXISM—HERBERT MARCUSE

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Marxism, Revolution and Utopia - Herbert Marcuse Official Website

                      and

                      On Marcuse, Phenomenology, and Marxism

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      MARCUSE'S FREUDIAN MARXISM

                      and

                      What Herbert Marcuse Got Right (Jacobin Magazine)

                    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Marcuse’s Challenges to Education

                      and

                      Education's New Marxist Commitments - New Discourses

                    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Note the (dot)gov, Jeffy.
                      Critical Pedagogy,
                      African-American Education,
                      and the Re-Conceptualization
                      of a Critical Race Pedagogy

                    5. R Mac   3 years ago

                      No responses to any of this from Lying Jeffy, surprising no one.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                No. We get it. Youre losing the argument with simple logic so trying to change the argument like a sea lion. You also want to ignore reality because it goes against your beliefs.

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Changing the comment from condemning the use of Marcuse and Freire as a pedagogical basis to banning mention of them.

            You really are a one trick pony.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              I'm asking a different question to try to have a conversation, yes.

              You don't like that some of Marcuse's and Freire's ideas are used in the classroom. I get it.

              So should they be banned?

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                No. But they also definitely shouldn't be used as the basis for childhood educational practices. Just like Mein Kampf shouldn't be banned but it also shouldn't be used as the basis for federal programs.

                You're "gotcha" game is pretty weak BTW. We're all getting used to you launching the "ban" accusation whenever you get stuck.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                  I'm not asking a 'gotcha'. I'm asking a question.

                  What is the specific current childhood educational practice that you believe is based in Marxist ideas from Marcuse and Freire, and what is your alternative to that practice?

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    Youre attempting to rephrase an argument despite your initial quote being pretty specific.

                  2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    You totally were attempting a gotcha. Now you're moving goalposts.

                    Nevertheless, educate yourself. Read the .gov link I posted here for the answer to your current digression:
                    https://reason.com/2022/08/07/scamcoin/?comments=true#comment-9636808

                  3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Also, "what is your alternative to that practice?"

                    I don't know for sure if Jeff is trying to pretend that there's no alternative, but it seems that way.

                    There's a million other education theories, Jeff. We can start with Comenius and work past Johann Friedrich Herbart all the way to Reuven Feuerstein without touching a Marxist.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Youre asking a different question because you are a sea lion.

        5. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Oh look. The functional retard sees "Looks like he's trying to appeal to Nardz and Sevo" and reads "I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT GUY ON JEFF'S LINK SAID AAUUUGGHHH!!!!!"

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Alright, I'll play along.

            How does condemning the use of Marxist theorists like Marcuse and Freire as a pedagogical basis for instruction, appeal to Nardz and Sevo?

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Invoking McCarthy and Communism is to Team Red what a wiggling worm on a hook is to a trout.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                So nothing but your own dishonest hypothesis about what constitutes "Team Red", and blatantly ignoring the fact that Marcuse and Freire were communists whose theories are being used as the basis for many educational programs in the US.

                This is exactly what people mean by tribalism, sarc.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  You're reframing the argument into one I did not make, and then arguing against that instead. I'm not going to respond to what I didn't say.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    No I didn't you fucking drunk. That's exactly what you said. Parroting my criticism of Jeffism back doesn't make it applicable or true in this case.

                    Stop being evasive.

                2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  You are responding to "Marcuse and Freire aren't communists and their theories aren't being used in school curriculums, so what's the big fuss about?"

                  Except that I never said that.

                  That's the definition of a straw man.

                  You're a one trick pony.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Me: "your own dishonest hypothesis about what constitutes "Team Red", and blatantly ignoring the fact that Marcuse and Freire were communists"

                    Sarc: "You are responding to "Marcuse and Freire aren't communists and their theories aren't being used in school curriculums, so what's the big fuss about?"
                    Except that I never said that.

                    You're a fucking liar.

                    Do you think everyone is unable to read several posts up and realize that you're bullshitting?

                    I realize reading comprehension isn't your superpower, but that's dishonest even by angry drunk standards.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

              Guilt by association.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Wow, the first ever honest statement from you. Of course you and sarc are the ones making those associations, but still...

          2. R Mac   3 years ago

            Oh look, sarc’s so drunk he just reversed what’s in Jeffy’s link.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              You expected him to understand a whopping 15 words?

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I know. How dare actual libertarians understand the threat of critical theories and their applications.

      It is much better to be a leftist pretending to be a libertarian and support big one government programs like yourself.

      I mean you seem to revel in your own ignorance jeff. Why is that?

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Jeff knows that Marcuse, Freire, Adorno, Foucault and Derrida were radical Marxists who opposed libertarianism, but he'd rather miss the point of the statement in order to pretend that the Mises caucus supports McCarthyism.
        Even though it obviously doesn't.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          They aren't even calling for zero teaching of marxism but going after schools for being captured by the ideas. Notice how jeff doesn't advocate universal school choice but instead attacks the acknowledgement of current issues.

          Critical theories are political ideologies, not critical thinking even though jeff uses the two terms interchangeably. He continues to ignore that school capture was also used in most socialist movements from the Nazis to Mao and libertarians recognize this, which is why they fight against it as long as schools are publicly captured.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Oh that is baloney. I have absolutely declared my support for completely privatized schools and when I say "critical thinking", I mean "critical thinking", not "critical theory".

            Are you going to try to claim that schools teaching kids that gender is different than sex, is "Marxism"?

            What is your specific example of "school capture by Marxists"?

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Lol. It is amazing watching you lie. Have have defended CRT as critical thinking multiple times. And as for school choice you throw it in as an aside as you attack parents or others from pushing back against the left. So fuck off with your lies.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Frankly I think you all misuse the term "Marxism" the same way you misuse the term "CRT" and "groomer": just as stand-in words for things that you don't like.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Frankly we all use the definitions as what they are and don't choose to change our language like a leftist blowhard to hide the ideology.

            2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Marcuse and Freire claimed to be Marxist, their life's work included applying Marxist theory to pedagogical applications, university departments include their works in Marxist studies.

              Meanwhile, Jeff...

              "Frankly I think you all misuse the term "Marxism"

        2. Squirrelloid   3 years ago

          I might give you most of those, but Foucault wasn't a Marxist. (A socialist? Yes. But not a marxist). And his intellectual thought isn't even socialist - in fact, he ends up bludgeoning all possible socialisms with a damning critique about how government actually works, to the point that he openly acknowledged it was at odds with his political commitments.

          Foucault was unable to see it, but his work on governmentality ends up being profoundly libertarian.

    3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      Do you deny academia is full of self-proclaimed Marxists?

      Do you deny self-proclaimed Marxists are the founders of Burn Loot Murder?

      Do you deny self-proclaimed Marxists are behind the 1619 project and CRT?

      And yet Reason loses its reason over a Hungarian.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        What is really amusing is the post cites James Lyndsay who dissects the teaching of these beliefs using original source material in his podcast, explaining their motives. He literally reads abd cites the very words of the critical theory movements. Apparently jeff is against these discussions.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          That and the critical theorists literally refer to them selves as a cancer or virus

        2. Nardz   3 years ago

          And James Lindsay has been banned from Twitter because he exposed too many primary sources

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        And compleatly bend over backward to support nazi funded DAs

        (note to new people I refer to soros as a nazi because he is, he was in the Hitler youth)

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        I think there are very few actual Marxists in the US, even in academia. I think that what is often claimed to be "Marxism" is really just an analysis of social problems in terms of class, which doesn't have to be Marxist per se.

        I think that the practice of a person calling everyone who disagrees with him/her a "Marxist" is functionally no different than when Team Blue calls everyone who disagrees with them a "racist" or a "Nazi".

        I think that bad ideas are bad ideas regardless if they come from Marcuse or Freire, or not. And I think that good ideas are good ideas regardless if they come from Marcuse or Freire, or not.

        I think this common practice, of claiming that, for instance, if Marcuse believed X, and some random liberal also believes X, that means the random liberal is a Marxist, is fundamentally a logical fallacy. After all, I'm sure that Marcuse loved his mother. Does that mean everyone who loves his/her mother is a Marxist? Of course not.

        I think this tendency of labeling opponents in more and more apocalyptic terms - they're not just wrong, but evil; they're not just evil, but Marxists; they're not just evil Marxists, but evil Marxist communists; etc., etc., is ultimately unhelpful and destructive.

        I think that no principled libertarian who values freedom of association should talk about "deal[ing] with the communists for real", JUST LIKE they should not talk about "dealing with the conservatives for real" or "dealing with the liberals for real".

        I think tweets like this are proving the Mises Caucus critics at least partially correct, that they are more invested in fighting culture wars than in promoting liberty.

        Hope this helps.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          chemjeff radical individualist
          August.7.2022 at 11:58 am
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          I think there are very few actual Marxists in the US, even in academia. I think that what is often claimed to be "Marxism" is really just an analysis of social problems in terms of class, which doesn't have to be Marxist per se.

          We agree. Youre a gaslighting idiot. No matter the citations given you retreat to this argument. One based on gsslighting and intentional ignorance.

          One would even say youre being inherently dishonest given all the links that you have been given.

          1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            The worst part is, the Ed department say they are all Marxist, and yet Jeff denies this.
            I don't know why the radical statist constantly tries to deflect and defend.
            These people are saying they are Marxists, and they are claiming that is a good thing. Jeff must think Marxism is good.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Where are all the Marxists? Listening to you all, virtually every teacher is a doctrinaire Marxist. This is an absurd claim.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Fuck off jeff. You've been given dozens of links about the pervasiveness of critical theories in colleges and applied to k-12. You want to deny and relabel so you can ignore reality. This is why you're a dishonest shit weasel.

              Just Google critical theory + any subject you want you retarded shit weasel.

              If you want the history lessons of critical theory from the professors and groups who formed it and their connections to marxism James Lindsay has a podcast called New Discourses that uses the movements own source materials and conference to show the derivations from marxism.

              Youre such a gaslighting moron.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "I think there are very few actual Marxists in the US, even in academia... calling everyone who disagrees with him/her a "Marxist" is functionally no different than when Team Blue calls everyone who disagrees with them a "racist" or a "Nazi".

          Marcuse identified as a Marxist you daft twat... and so did Freire.

          https://web.archive.org/web/20161025154727/http://tx.cpusa.org/school/classics/freire.htm

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            You're right! They called themselves Marxists!
            However, not everyone who thinks Marcuse had a good idea, is also a Marxist.
            That is the problem here. It is an attempt at guilt by association.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Marcuse called his theories Marxist, the people implementing his theories call them Marxist.
              You can't really go any further on this one.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                Is every idea that comes from Marcuse "Marxist"?

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  What a shit weasel you are.

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  When he wrote papers on the application of Marxism to pedagogy, yes.

                  But you're totally right, when he was opining about his favorite beer or soccer player he was totally not giving Marxist ideas.

                  Wow, sure made me look dumb, Jeffy.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                And give a specific example of what idea you are referring to.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  New Discourses Podcast. Hours of dissection of critical theory from the mouths of the theorists.

                  Are you honestly trying to use the no true marxist fallacy here you shit weasel?

                  I point you to that podcast because James is very clear in his citations and papers and walks through the primary texts of radical theory developments.

                  He isnt a gaslighting shit bag like yourself.

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  I have. Read the thread, you garbage demagogue.

        3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

          Damn that's some fine weaseling there. I said "self-proclaimed", you pivot to "opponents call them".

          I see no mention of Burn Loot Murder founders who are self-proclaimed Marxists. Only that opponents call too many people Marxists, when I expressly said "self-proclaimed".

          I don't know who you think you are fooling. I do know who Goebbels thought he was fooling.

    4. R Mac   3 years ago

      I don’t call him Lefty Jeffy for nothing.

    5. Nobartium   3 years ago

      How tragic, libertarians treating communists as their actual enemies.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        They're red-baiting. They're labeling people they don't like as "communists".

        1. Nobartium   3 years ago

          So what?

          Does it break your back or pick your pocket?

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Some people find observations like that to be interesting.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Only if their idiots. Marcuse and Freire self-identified as Marxists.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                That's not the part that I thought was interesting. I can see you're trying to reframe the argument into one that was not made, so you can argue against that instead. There's a word for that. What is it?

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Jeffyism, and I haven't but you're pulling it now.

                  I realize that it's Sunday afternoon and you might be too shitfaced to do it, but maybe read your earlier posts again so you can remember what you were saying.

                  It's all right here. Nothing deleted.

              2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Sarc is desperate for his attaboys this morning.

            2. Nobartium   3 years ago

              Only if you believe that libertarians are above tribalism. Reality check: all people are tribal.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                Really. That's the only possible reason to find that interesting. Good to know.

                1. Nobartium   3 years ago

                  Of course it is.

                  It's entirely expected that libertarians will be viscerally anti-communists.

                  It's entirely expected that the Mises Caucus is more accurately representative of the the big L party.

                  And it's entirely expected that eventually a tweet endorsing anti-communism will be generated. There is nothing interesting here, beyond you and jeffy getting the vapours.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                    But it's not about "anti-communism". It is red-baiting. There is a difference.

                    1. Nobartium   3 years ago

                      That they "rah-rahs" from team Red changes nothing about what I said. Libertarians are naturally anti-communist. But even ignoring that, again, so what?

                      Are L's not entitled to align with reds to crush blues?

                    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Again. The theories behind the theories derive their material from marxism and calls themselves Marxists.

                      God damn jeff.

              2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I thought it was funny that a Libertarian (notice the capital 'L' used to distinguish a member of the Libertarian party from a libertarian, they're not the same thing) would invoke McCarthy and Communists. That's like lighting the Angry Social Conservative signal against the dark Gotham sky. Made me chuckle.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Because libertarianism isn't the ideological antipode of Marxist-Leninist communism, right?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                    No, it isn't. Libertarianism is about liberty. Communism can be entirely consistent with libertarianism - it just has to be voluntary. If a bunch of people voluntarily wish to transfer the means of production to a collective, they are absolutely free to do so under a libertarian system. I would not advocate for such a thing, but I would not prohibit it either.

                    1. Nobartium   3 years ago

                      Communism can be entirely consistent with libertarianism - it just has to be voluntary.

                      Neither communism, nor socialism, nor marxism, is ever voluntary. Ever.

                    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Jeff is basically outing himself as a communist here but believes in the magic communist fairy of it be accomplished through free choice.

                    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      What absolute horseshit.

                      Even 'no true libertarian' jokes aside, no actual libertarian would say what you just claimed.

                    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Also, note I explicitly referenced Freire's "Marxist-Leninist communism", but Jeffy immediately swaps that for any-type and then proposes some form of hypothetical communism to refute me.

                      Amazing.

                    5. Squirrelloid   3 years ago

                      While I might grant some socialism or socialism-adjacent can be voluntary (generally these things are Communitarianism and potentially Syndicalism), it is impossible for *Marxism* to be voluntary, because Marxism demands a vanguard party to shepherd the transition from capitalism to socialism (and basically forever, since Marx's 'new socialist man' is as fictional as the Easter Bunny).

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Also, Marcuse and Freire are communists.
                  Marcuse and Freire's Marxist state-socialist theories are being introduced into American education right now.
                  State socialism is the antithesis of libertarianism.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          No they aren't. They are citing critical theory source materials.

        3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          They're labeling people they don't like as "communists".

          Except Marcuse and Freire were proud unapologetic communists. This is like bitching that people are calling Brezhnev and Castro "Reds".

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            It's labeling EVERYONE ELSE as "communist" that is the problem here.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Who is doing that? The critical theorists admit to their origination of marxism.

              What the fuck is your actual problem here? A light being shown on critical theorists?

            2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              They only called Marcuse and Freire and their promoters 'communists'. Which they are.
              Not "Everybody".

              For fuck's sake, Jeffy. Did you even read what you posted.

    6. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Good. It's nice to see them calling out the open, naked marxism that has a complete stranglehold on the education system.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        ^

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        WTF?
        There are a few pointy-headed academics in ivory towers who are Marxists.

        Where is this "open, naked marxism that has a complete stranglehold on the education system"?

        Do you think CRT is "Marxism"? The real CRT actually stands in opposition to Marxism - Marxism preaches that all that matters is class-based solidarity, but the CRT crowd insists race matters more than class.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          You have been given dozens of links you lying shit weasel.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Here jeff. Do us a fucking favor. Stop being a gaslighting shit weasel. This book goes through the full derivation. Your choice on if you want to be honest or not. Read it. Come back and citing examples show where he was wrong.

          https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60158480-race-marxism

        3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Yes, CRT is fundamentally marxist. It came out of the disillusioned marxists that explicitly admitted that the working classes were never going to be brought to revolution, so they needed to find new classes-- racial minorities, sexual minorities. Economic class was replaced with race. Or is all that classic academic marxist language in CRT: Pedagogy, Praxis, dialectic, the elimination of international capitalism just a big fat coincidence?

          You really have NO idea what CRT is.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            They literally came to America and said “Well shit, people here can rise in class so we need to find something else to divide them. Hey, this racism thing sure is divisive!”

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Then it's not Marxist. It's a different type of collectivism.

        4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          I mean, Jesus dude.

          Economic Marxists: We have to eliminate global capitalism to stop the oppression of the working class and proletariat.

          Critical Race Theorists: We have to eliminate global capitalism because it's a tool of white supremacy that oppresses people of color and sexual minorities.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            I mean even the seminal paper on Critical Race Theory, "The Critical Turn in Education From Marxist Critique to Poststructuralist Feminism to Critical Theories of Race", explicitly sets out Critical Race Theory as a subset of Marxist Theory.

            But here's chemjeff trying to gaslight us with middle school sophistry.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Here's a fish for the sealions: https://www.routledge.com/The-Critical-Turn-in-Education-From-Marxist-Critique-to-Poststructuralist/Gottesman/p/book/9781138781351

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Then what does Marxism mean in your world?

            Does Marxism mean "collectivization of a group according to some similar interest, which may or may not be based on economic class, and advocating for radical change on behalf of that group's interests"? Is that "Marxism" now?

          3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Is anyone who thinks "global capitalism" is a bad idea, a Marxist?

        5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          I mean, read some history of the movement.

          Angela Davis' spirit guide was Herbert Marcuse. Marcuse was what the 1968 student revolution was chanting: Marx! Mao! Marcuse!

          When Italian students closed the University of Rome in March 1968, the highlight was a banner with three M’s: Marx, Mao and Marcuse.

          Marcuse went on to mentor Angela Davis.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            I'm thinking Jeff didn't actually realize that Marcuse and Freire were communists (or even know who they were) when posting his link, and now he's in too deep.

            Trying to show off to sarcasmic is probably playing a part too.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Their blossoming relationship isn’t good for either of them.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Maybe their egos, but definitely not their intellects.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            Okay, fine. Marcuse was a Marxist. Marcuse was Davis' mentor. Marcuse had some ideas on education. So did Paulo Friere So did a lot of people who call themselves Marxist. I can totally accept that.

            But here's the two outstanding questions that need to be answered IMO.

            1. To what extent did Marcuse's and Friere's ideas become standard practice in education? They could write all the academic papers they want, Marxist academics can write all the papers they want about the "critical turn in education", that doesn't mean it actually happened. As of 2005, Paulo Friere's book "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" had sold 750,000 books *worldwide*. If you think about it, especially in relation to the number of teachers in the *entire world*, that is not a very large number.

            https://envs.ucsc.edu/internships/internship-readings/freire-pedagogy-of-the-oppressed.pdf

            So I am skeptical as to how much the Marxist ideas of Marcuse and Friere have "infiltrated" education.

            2. Even if some of their ideas have "infiltrated" education, are those specific ideas actually bad ideas? An idea is not merely a bad idea just because a Marxist said it. The reason why Hitler's ideas are considered evil is not because Hitler said it, it's because they are genuinely awful ideas. If a guy named Smith had first said the same ideas, we would be condemning Smith instead of Hitler. So for instance one of the themes of "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" is that education can help uplift the plight of oppressed peoples around the world. Is that really a terrible idea? That was basically the message of Booker T. Washington in the late 19th century. Through education, oppressed people can improve themselves and eventually earn their own liberation. Are there shades of Marxist thought in this sentiment? You bet. Is it bad? I don't think so, anyway.

            So: just saying that "some Marxist said something" doesn't mean it is commonplace; and "some Marxist had an idea" doesn't mean the idea is a bad one.

  8. Nardz   3 years ago

    Interesting...

    https://twitter.com/jack/status/1555963290219692033?t=6eGBeJmOGn55M3yUlFNVtQ&s=19

    End the CCP

    [Link]

  9. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Newcomers to bitcoin sometimes dismiss the cryptocurrency as a pyramid or Ponzi scheme.

    Do they?

    1. CE   3 years ago

      Let's see, it's based on nothing, the early movers can get rich, and there is an infinite supply.... hmmmm...

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        There's an infinite supply of bitcoin, is there?

  10. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/political-correctness-hampers-crackdown-on-child-sex-grooming-gangs-sunak_4647664.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

    Thousands of English girls are known to have been sexually exploited over the last few decades by the so-called “Asian grooming gangs”—across northern English towns and cities.

    In the UK, “Asian” often refers to people from the Indian subcontinent, typically Pakistan, or sometimes even the Middle East.

    In June, Greater Manchester Police and Oldham Council said they are “deeply sorry” after a report said both failed to protect girls from grooming gangs between 2011 and 2014 and “missed opportunities” to protect a girl who tried to raise the alarm.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      This has happened so many times in Britain and it keeps happening over and over. They learn nothing.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Why doesn’t Orban want more of this wonderful culture in his country!?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Japanese immigration to the UK has really been a problem.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        I blame the New Zealanders.

    3. Nobartium   3 years ago

      What open borders actually produces.

  11. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/cost-mining-bitcoin-198-different-countries

    It takes an estimated 1,449 kilowatt hours (kWh) of energy to mine a single bitcoin. That’s the same amount of energy an average U.S. household consumes in approximately 13 years.

    Given the high amount of energy needed to mine bitcoin, it can be a costly venture to get into. But, as Visual Capitalist's Carmen Ang details below, exact prices fluctuate, depending on the location and the cost of electricity in the area.

    Where are the cheapest and most expensive places to mine this popular cryptocurrency? This graphic by 911 Metallurgist provides a snapshot of the estimated cost of mining bitcoin around the world, using pricing and relative costs from March 23, 2022.

  12. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1556330232302505985?t=9Y7FwrJeIEtyWcws9hAWOg&s=19

    Kyle Rittenhouse trends every two weeks as a reminder that millions of liberals will lie about an incident that was unambiguously captured on video, then continue lying about it even after a multi-week trial plainly lays out all the evidence that directly contradicts their lies.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      I mean it just sucks he was able to defend himself. - some poster here.

      1. chemjeff criminal pedophile   3 years ago

        Was that poster me?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          You don’t remember what you said?

        2. R Mac   3 years ago

          Lol. Seek help.

    2. CE   3 years ago

      While the Indiana mall shooting (foiled by a good guy with a gun) and the Waukesha parade vehicular mass murder/red SUV accident are hardly ever mentioned.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Apparently, something happened on the streets of Highland Park (IL) on the 4th of July, just 40ish miles away from Kenosha (or 38ish miles from Antioch). But Highland Park banned assault weapons years ago and IL has had a FOID/gun owner registry for even longer, so it couldn't have been a mass shooting.

  13. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    And chemjeff laughs uproariously:

    80-Year-Old Protests a Biological Male in Her YMCA Shower, Gets Banned for Bigotry

    "While lathered up in the shower, [Julie] heard a…low male voice. She saw a male in a woman’s swimsuit very close… Julie says he was “looking at the little girls as they were taking off their suits.” She remembers about four little girls being in the room.

    [She] says she was shocked. “There were gaps in the curtain, and there I was — naked, with soap and water on me — and this guy, right there very close to me.”

    “He said, ‘That’s none of your business.’ That’s when I told him, ‘Get out of here, right now.’”

    [Rowen] responded…”You’re discriminating, and you can’t use the pool anymore. And I’m calling the police.”
    [Julie] remembers standing there stunned, naked and wet.

    Curiously, the pool is run by the Young Men’s Christian Association. And as it turns out, the shower-room male — named Clementine — was a Y worker.

    [Clementine] did not display anything identifying him as a YMCA employee. [Julie] does not remember getting dry and dressed. She exited the showers and entered the foyer to leave the building.

    Additionally, she called Olympic Peninsula YMCA CEO Wendy Bart. According to Wendy, a Y staffer claimed Julie had said to Clementine, “You’re going to stick your [flipping] penis in those little girls” (Julie denies the charge).

    Furthermore, Wendy explained that the posted “Pride” signs should’ve notified everyone that males could enjoy time in the women’s shower.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      And chemjeff feigns concern:

      Experts worry monkeypox disinformation will harm LGBTQ+ community

      "LGBTQ+ advocates and public health experts have expressed concern that the framing of monkeypox as a disease that is spread exclusively by LGBTQ+ people through sexual contact will stigmatize and isolate an already-marginalized group."

      "Three months since the first case of monkeypox was reported in the U.S., disinformation and harmful stereotypes targeting gay and bisexual men – who are most likely to become infected – continue to run rampant, causing some to worry that the spread of the disease will further stigmatize and isolate an already-marginalized group."

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

      Oh, I knew there had to be more to the story.

      If you actually read the original article - which is itself slanted in favor of the 80-year-old woman - you'll see that the actual reason she was banned from the Y was not merely because of her discomfort, but because she publicly slandered the trans-woman of being a pedophile, AND the trans-woman is also a YMCA employee.

      Bart said a staff member told her that Jaman said to the male in the woman’s swimsuit, “You’re going to stick your fucking penis in those little girls.”

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        How dare some old lady object to providing opportunity for child rape!

        I see a woodchipper in pedojeff's future.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Jeff has no problem with that part.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

          The objection part wasn't what got her banned. It was the public slander.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Why was the intact male watching little girls undress, Jeff?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

          So again let's hear your solution to the conundrum here.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

      So, what do you think is the best way to resolve this type of situation. Ban trans-women from the women's locker room? Okay fine. How do you want places like the YMCA to be able to determine who is a "real woman" and who is a trans-woman? Should they call the genital police? How would this work exactly?

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        ^pure fucking evil

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        The way we did from [beginning of civilization]-2021.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Don't make Jeff bring up Greek boyfucking to refute you.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

          So how was it handled then?

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            I hope you find out first hand some day real fucking soon.

          2. JeremyR   3 years ago

            If they look like a man, they to the YMCA. If they look like a lady, they go to the YWCA.

            I have yet to see a transsexual in real life that genuinely looks like member of their chose gender. Most look like dudes in dresses or dykes

            And if they are the very rare exception that it's not obvious, like the one in that James Bond movie, then okay.

    4. Nobartium   3 years ago

      Is it any surprise that the YMCA is once again enabling sexual deviancy?

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Well, yes, it would be a surprise. I've been a member of two different regional YMCAs over the past couple of decades. They are excellent about vetting all employees and volunteers for pedophiles.

    5. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      So Chem Jeff will join the y now

  14. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1556360414237265920?t=7upHVcwfOzuuwdnEDEO_xA&s=19

    JUST IN - U.S. Senate passes $340 billion "Inflation Reduction" Act. Kamala Harris casts tie-breaking vote.
    * oops, $740 billion.

    [Link]

  15. Nardz   3 years ago

    So predictable

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1556392237923291136?t=uzgaBeqMS81YvYsCI1EDGg&s=19

    Amnesty International has become a mouthpiece for Putin's regime - The Times

    "Amnesty now displays a sad indifference to oppression. Having shown itself to be soft on crime and fascism, it should have the decency to leave the stage."

    [Link]

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      Someone got called into the commissar's office

      https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1556444605012385793?t=XjSRvB-CmvXIfxdMkDj9wg&s=19

      We removed a tweet promoting our recent doc, "Arming Ukraine," which quoted the founder of the nonprofit Blue-Yellow, Jonas Ohman's assessment in late April that only around 30% of aid was reaching the front lines in Ukraine.

      Since that time, Ohman says delivery has improved. Additionally, the U.S. military has confirmed that defense attaché Brigadier General Garrick M. Harmon arrived in Kyiv in August for arms control and monitoring.

      We are updating our documentary to reflect this new information and air at a later date.

  16. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    Epic rant from Chris Rock
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1555651573212237825.html
    Sample:
    America is crazy, man. There's a civil war going on right now among White people. Yes - and it's between White people and Liberals. And Liberals have GOT TO GO.
    Every time we build a nice society, liberals will go ahead and fuck that shit up. Can’t do SHIT with liberals.
    You can’t have no car around liberals. Well, you can have a car - but you can’t have no gas! Liberals be like, “Lovely car you have there - shame you can’t drive it!”
    With these gas prices, you have girls working’ the pole just so they can afford to drive!
    So, you’re stripping to put yourself through college?
    "No, I’m stripping so I can afford to drive TO college. I'm gonna flunk out if this Ukraine shit doesn't sort itself out!"
    You got girls missing out on GEDS because Zelensky needs more Tomahawks? Get the fuck outta here.

    Much more.

  17. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Libertarian commentary on Pelos's narcissistic visit to China.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

      It is not libertarian. It is anti-Democrat.

      FFS Taiwan is threatened with Chinese invasion on a daily basis. And as we all know China is the new Evil Empire, since the Soviet Union is no longer around. Why shouldn't a libertarian support standing in support of Taiwan against the Chinese evil empire?

      From a realpolitik point of view, yes what Nancy Pelosi did was narcissistic and irresponsible. But then again in the same vein so was Reagan's speech at the Berlin Wall telling Gorbachev to "tear down this wall".

      Between China and Taiwan, shouldn't libertarians stand in solidarity with Taiwan against China, at least on a principled level?

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

      IMO the morally correct thing to do is for the US to declare that Taiwan is an independent nation and that China can go suck it with its demands that Taiwan rightfully belongs to the mainland.

      Of course no president will actually do that because that would risk the wrath of Chinese retaliation up to and including nuclear weapons. But that is the morally correct thing to do because for all of Taiwan's faults, it is a hell of a lot freer than China is.

      So Nancy Pelosi did something risky and actually stood in solidarity with Taiwan. Was it narcissistic? Yes. Did it make international relations between China and the US worse? Probably, yes. Did she rationalize her visit based on stupid feminist ideas because Taiwan's PM is a woman? Oh of course she did. But it was still the morally correct thing to do to stand in solidarity with free Taiwan against communist China.

      Weren't you just stating above how much you despised the Marxists infiltrating the education system in the US? Well, here, the Marxists want to invade and conquer the free people of Taiwan. Why aren't you standing in solidarity? Oh I know why, it's because *Nancy Pelosi* did it first.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        "IMO"

        Shut the fuck up forever, lying pedo.

  18. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/06/business-food/woke-food-nightcap/index.html

    So, yet another front in the culture war.

    Cracker Barrel offers veggie 'sausage' to its customers.
    No one is forced to buy veggie 'sausage'.
    They still offer regular sausage.
    And yet many of its customers went apeshit bananas condemning Cracker Barrel of being 'woke'.
    They are trying to appeal to a broader range of customers. Not everyone is a carnivore. But that isn't good enough.

    This just goes to show that this particular complaint isn't about anything being 'shoved down their throats'. No one was forced to order veggie 'sausage'. It is simple intolerance that other people were ordering items from the menu that they didn't approve of.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      Die now, marxist pedophile.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-dems-say-gun-companies-emphasize-masculinity-make-veiled-references-white

      A new report from the House Oversight Committee says that leading gunmakers use "aggressive marketing tactics" which emphasize masculinity, and make 'veiled references' to white supremacist groups "like the Boogaloo Bois" (which isn't a 'far-right' group at all) in order to sell guns. In short, a massive gaslighting campaign.

      "The business practices of these gun manufacturers are deeply disturbing, exploitative, and reckless," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), who chairs the committee.

  19. Chute_Me   3 years ago

    They actually called the platform zoinks??? Who was running it, Scooby and Shaggy? I didn’t realize Velma had such a dark side.

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