Desperate California Anti-Gunners Wreck Junior Shooter Clubs
Lawmakers claimed they were just banning marketing guns to kids.

Organized youth shooting is disappearing in California as a result of a new law sold as banning advertising guns to kids but also potentially penalizes any promotion of firearms to minors. Rightfully criticized as a totalitarian attack on gun-oriented speech, the law is also an example of desperation on the part of those opposed to firearms, who lost big in the Supreme Court, see DIY firearms makers slipping beyond their grasp, and are now reduced to lashing out at an entire culture.
"A new California law that bans marketing guns to kids isn't sitting well with some Glenn County shooting teams," ActionNewsNow reported July 29. "Some parents and students say this law could end up costing them their sport."
Glenn County families aren't alone.
"Due to recent legislation from the California State Assembly, and signed into Law by Gov. Gavin Newsom, the USA Clay Target League, DBA USA High School Clay Target League/California State High School Clay Target League, has been forced by law to suspend all operations within California," USA Clay Target League notes on its website. "California Assembly Bill 2571 … provides for a civil penalty of $25,000 for any and each instance of firearm-related marketing to persons under the age of 18. That includes the '… use, or ownership of firearm-related products…' as well as '…events where firearm-related products are sold or used.'"
The law's chilling effect on shooting sports extends to simple speech involving minors and firearms.
"Due to California Bill A.B. 2571, Junior Shooters is no longer available to juniors (Under 18) from the state of California," the youth-oriented publication warns online. "If you are a minor in California, please do not continue, otherwise, welcome to Junior Shooters."
Understandably, the publishers of Junior Shooters are suing the state of California with the assistance of the Second Amendment Foundation.
"The broad-sweeping law applies not only to 'commercial speech' targeting children or encouraging them to engage in unlawful behavior, but to a great deal of political and educational speech, truthful commercial speech aimed at adults, and speech promoting activities that are perfectly lawful to engage in—even by minors in California," warns their motion for a preliminary injunction, which will be heard in federal court on August 22. "Because the law is not tailored to serving a compelling governmental interest, it violates the First Amendment rights to free speech, assembly, and association."
Of course, A.B. 2571 wasn't sold as an attempt to prohibit passing an appreciation for shooting sports from one generation to the next. It was peddled instead as a restriction on marketing guns to kids, as if there's a danger of tiny tots disguising themselves as their parents to get through the background checks at sporting-goods stores.
"California has some of the strongest gun laws in the country and it is unconscionable that we still allow advertising weapons of war to our children," Assemblymember Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D–Orinda) huffed in a press release when Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the measure into law on July 1.
But the actual law goes well beyond restricting targeted advertising. Its language could easily be construed to encompass youth shooting teams, firearms publications, and activist organizations. Arguably, A Christmas Story might not pass muster over young Ralphie's hankering for a Red Ryder BB gun. That's why legislators were warned by legal experts that their bill didn't just tread into territory protected by the First Amendment, it stomped all over that ground.
"A gun magazine publisher, for instance—or a gun advocacy group that publishes a magazine—would likely be covered as a 'firearm industry member,' because it was formed to advocate for use or ownership of guns, might endorse specific products in product reviews, and might carry advertising for guns," cautioned UCLA's Eugene Volokh in testimony that dubbed the measure "unconstitutional."
The courts will do what the courts will do, of course. But A.B. 2571 resembles a likely piñata for any judge who cares about protections for free speech, without even getting into the Second Amendment implications. So why would gun-hating California lawmakers waste time, effort, and taxpayer money on legislation seemingly doomed to go down to ignominious defeat?
Well, the Supreme Court's recent decision in Bruen capped off a tough stretch for gun-rights opponents that began in 2008 with Heller. Many of their favorite restrictions now look legally vulnerable if not outright impermissible under the Constitution's Second Amendment. On top of that, years of threatening to prohibit popular firearms helped launch a DIY culture of enthusiasts who make guns at home using techniques resistant to regulation. Anti-gunners target unfinished 80 percent firearm receivers only to have innovators respond with zero-percent receivers. And bans on using 3D printers, computer numerical control (CNC) machines, or traditional workshop tools to manufacture firearms are largely unenforceable against people who set out to evade control. So, authoritarians are reduced to desperation and overreaching.
"The problem with this bill is the same problem as the Texas anti-abortion law it mimics: it creates an end run around the essential function of the courts to ensure that constitutional rights are protected," the California ACLU objected to the state's recent application to guns of the ill-considered approach in Texas's law, passed before Dobbs overturned Roe's protections for abortion. "Specifically, this bill creates a 'bounty-hunter' scheme that authorizes private individuals to bring costly and harassing lawsuits designed and intended to intimidate people from engaging in a proscribed activity without requiring—or even permitting—the government to defend the law the defendants are alleged to have violated."
As with the Texas law it copies, California's anti-gun bounty law is widely seen as excessive and dangerous even by many of those who sympathize with its intent. Likewise, a prohibition on "advertising" firearms to minors that criminalizes sports teams, censors publications, and targets an entire culture seeks to escape protections for established liberties in a sweeping attack that has already inflicted collateral damage.
Wounded animals are dangerous, of course, and that's what anti-gun authoritarians resemble at the moment. With dwindling means to impose their will, and their prey escaping their grasp, anti-gunners are lashing out at more people and freedoms than ever before. They're going down to defeat, but they'll take some victims with them.
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My nephew's kids are in high school shooting competitions. Trap and skeet shooting. It is good that they learn to shoot in order to eliminate pesky deer and invading Canadian geese. We are not living on either coast though.
Eliminating Canadian geese? What's with the mothers lament hate?
Teaching HS kids about a Constitutionally-enshrined right has got to go but teaching primary school kids about gender religion is a must.
Femjeff will be along shortly to explain why this is good and proper.
He doesn’t want the kids to be able to resist his advances.
Ever consider that mandatory firearms training of "youth" would prevent accidents?
But then, if kids really knew anything factual about firearms, the gun grabbers would have a harder time peddling lies and hate.
Ever consider that mandatory firearms training of "youth" would prevent accidents?
Yes. If some of your sheep grow some horns, overcome some adversity, and learn to push back against predators, you'll end up with an unmanageable herd of goats. Sometimes, in order to maintain a flock of docile sheep, you need to keep the sheep dumb enough to accidentally stumble off a cliff or get eaten by predators.
Precisely! Except education is not the intent
Some people already believe that there is a law against children shooting or even touching guns.
My Cousin has a rifle range in his yard. We were teaching my Great Niece and his Grandchildren how to shoot, when some people driving by saw us and called the Police. The Police, once they saw what we were doing had no problem with it, but, the people who called them were all bent out of shape because we were not being arrested. When they called, they stated that it was children with guns without mentioning that there were adults supervising them. On the other hand, my Three String Match Record for my High School will stand forever, because they disbanded their Rifle team last year.
"...When they called, they stated that it was children with guns without mentioning that there were adults supervising them..."
Wass plinking at squirrels and tin cans ten I was 10 or so, bolt-action .22, by myself. I'm here to tell about it, as are those squirrels. Not so much the tin cans.
I too had a bolt action .22 rifle at age 10 - a Christmas present. At age 13 as a Boy Scout I walked nearly a mile every other Saturday during the summer with that rifle and a box of ammo to the local NG armoury to practice with other Scouts. And at age 15, I walked a mile downtown to the hardware store where I bought my own Ruger .22 auto (which I still have at age 81). Narry a mishap in all those years.
I still have my daisy BB gun. In the Scouts we shot .22s and had at least two safety courses from an NRA member. Still have my Cowboy .22, too. A little training goes a long way especially for kids who may be impressionable. Which is why the Progs regime is so dangerous by floating bad information.
Don't let them hear about how things were when my Dad was a kid. Rural farm area, one room schoolhouse, , kids rode their horses to school.. Many brought their own (as in MINE not brother's) rifles. They leaned them up against the back wall of the schoolrooom, well away from the woodstove. Lunchtime the kids would have contests to see who could knock down the most tin cans and such without missing one. Dad was seven or so when he started doing that. Ammo was cheap it was about fofteen cents for a whoe box of fifty 22 shorts at the local Western Auto. Seven year old Dad could buy his own no one would think twice on it. Their little five year old sister made all the boys mad, though, cause that tiny little rascal would often outshoot the big boys None of her brothers ever figured that one out, but still could not beat her.
When Dad was 14 the school bought on old bus, and since Dad and crew ived furthest away from the school, Dad was the driver. The rifles still came along on the bus. sometimes on the way back in the afternoons, the sharper-eyed boys would spot a cottontail or a rattler and holler for Dad to stop the bus. Three or four would stand in the doorway as the bus rolled to a stop, take aim, and bring home extra protein for the family stewpot. The Depression was on, and protein was scarce and dear.
Several of those boys, after growing into men, served with distinction in both theatres during the Second German War One of his brothers was a sniper in the Pacific Theatre.
These snowflakes on a whinge do not know their history. They DO know their hysterics, however.
Is there a list somewhere of the things you ARE allowed to do in California? It seems it would be a lot easier to have someone prepare a "one-pager" listing the allowed things rather than trying to keep up with things not allowed.
Is there a list somewhere of the things you ARE allowed to do in California?
That would defeat the purpose. The point isn't to make things easy or hard, it's to make things arbitrary.
AND nonsensical. They'd rather have "da fokes" all ignorunt and all, thus they can the more easily find jailable transgressions committed by just about anyone "show me the man and I"ll show you the crime" is a real thing. I believe it was John WHitehead wrote a book called "Six Felonies Day", the title indicating the truth that just about every American unknowingly commits six prosecutable felonies each day.
- smoke pot
- violently demonstrate for social justice
- gay orgies
- defecate on the side walk
- ride buses
- own nothing and be happy
In California, you can also be the kind of scumbag who fucks his best friend's wife and still get elected governor.
-jcr
- own nothing and be happy
Newsome doesn't care if you're happy.
Progs in Sacramento see the rest of the state as numbers, not real people. They give no shits at all what any individual might want or enjoy and assume people are stupid -- conveniently forgetting, of course, that they are people.
That's unfair to the governor...
Newsom is not happy until I'm not happy.
You missed a couple:
-vote for Democrats
-be a union member whether you want to or not
Defecating on the sidewalk is actually now legal in Kalamazoo MI, too.
https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/2022/07/kalamazoo-decriminalizes-public-urination-defecation-despite-downtown-business-owners-concerns.html
Everything not compulsory is forbidden.
ca is a total shit hole. the shit holes of all shit holes. how anyone can tolerate living there is beyond me.
Because everyone knows that junior shooter clubs are just a recruiting front for the Crips! /sarc
and are now reduced to lashing out at an entire culture.
NOW?? You think this is recent behavior?
are now reduced to lashing out at an entire culture
It’s never been about reducing crime or “mass shootings”, the fucking Democrats are in it for the long game, and outlawing/destroying gun culture is how they eliminate the right to keep and bear arms.
Wounded animals are dangerous, of course, and that's what anti-gun authoritarians resemble at the moment.
And how do you deal with a wounded animal?
Gotta nip the white supremacy in the bud.
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-guns-are-advertised-in-america-2012-12
I think that the basic idea of restrictions on the marketing of firearms to minors is just as reasonable as restrictions on marketing tobacco and alcohol to minors. The one argument I can see that there is a difference is that there are circumstances when minors can legally be allowed to use firearms. That is valid, and I would, of course, uphold the rights of shooting sports groups, firearm safety education organizations, etc. to communicate freely with minors about legal activities that they can be involved in. But just as tobacco companies should be scrutinized for how they market their products for attempting to encourage minors to start smoking, and thus become reliable customers as adults, gun manufacturers should be subject to scrutiny if they won’t show responsibility on their own.
Marketing guns as being manly, equating their products to what military services use and appealing to patriotism or fear as many of those ads in that link did, isn’t about sport, protection, or being responsible with deadly weapons. It is about boosting sales, period. And it clearly worked, as sales of AR-15s and similar rifles have exploded over the last 20 years.
God youre a cockroach.
I think that the basic idea of restrictions on the marketing of firearms to minors is just as reasonable as restrictions on marketing tobacco and alcohol to minors.
...which is to say, unjustified and counterproductive.
I have yet to understand how minors can be drafted, vote, have credit cards, yet not be exposed the very marketing that they will have to learn to deal with once they achieve their majority.
Better to inoculate them against negative actions while they are under their parent's protection and guidance, than to suddenly turn loose a bunch of overage, inexperienced, but physically mature infants.
That's a very silly comparison. Being knowledgeable and proficient with firearms is a good thing and makes things safer. Starting smoking or drinking at a young age is likely to lead to lifelong bad habits and make things less safe.
And the government and politicians are the best promoters of gun sales. A bunch of idiots talk about banning this or that and what do you know, everyone starts buying those things. Just go try to buy an 80% AR build kit right now.
there are circumstances when minors can legally be allowed to use firearms.
You appear to have a mindset that our human rights require permission. Fuck off, slaver.
-jcr
Still a totalitarian asshat, it seems. Somehow it escapes your attention, living in the world of your projected fantasies, that firearms are not marketed as 'being manly.' It also is apparently confusing to you and yours that women, ethnic minorities, and gasp, even folks that vote for similar issues as you may want to purchase a firearm. Lastly, as far as citations go, business insider is as objective and unbiased in the same way that vox and salon are.
The one argument I can see that there is a difference
One is constitutionally protected?
This is the scum-bag shit-pile who proposes murder of unarmed people to keep them from later doing something the asshole might not like:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
And it clearly worked, as sales of AR-15s and similar rifles have exploded over the last 20 years.
This is false. The correct answer is that sales of AR-15s have exploded because of totalitarian assholes like you.
This is really the truth. Before the 1994 assault weapons ban these guns were mainly restricted to a sunset of gun owners, most didn't really have a desire to own one. My dad, an avid shooter, said "what's the point?" Sales were sluggish so much that most major gun manufacturers stayed away or discontinued them prior to the ban. Companies went bankrupt selling them. Then the ban happened. Then it went away, and then Obama was elected promising to ban them again. Since these two events they've become the most popular sporting rifles sold. Sales go up every time a Democrat is elected. Or new legislation is proposed. The moral of the story is that the ban made these firearms more popular, to the point that there's now tens of millions owned. If the idea was to decrease ownership it backfired immensely.
Note, my father was 11B from 1975-1979, so it wasn't that he didn't have experience with similar weapons.
funny how speech restrictions a person finds "reasonable" morph into "unreasonable" speech restrictions as fast as it takes for a politician to say, "vote for me, I get things done"
as a Floridian I fight against this process by saying the word "gay" to every school-age child I see
You think it's reasonable for gov't to restrict advertising?
I think it's an absolute travesty that gov't can restrict the advertising of anything to kids, even if they're destructive. It violates the 1st Amendment and the principle of free speech.
Thus, arguing that it's okay to restrict advertising on guns to kids because it's okay to restrict advertising on drinking to kids is all wrong because it's not okay for the gov't to restrict advertising on anything to kids.
The proper response to businesses that target kids maliciously is cultural and social power, not gov't police power. Boycott those businesses until they stop. No armed men with guns (cops) need be aimed at anyone in the process.
It is about boosting sales, period. And it clearly worked, as sales of AR-15s and similar rifles have exploded over the last 20 years.
You are living in La La Land. Sales of AR and similar/equivalent rifles is NOT because of the makers advertising. Nope. Its because the dang rifles WORK, are reliable, accurte, easy to shoot, versatile. an excellent category of tools has been brought forward.
Have you been to the Home Depot/equivalent lately and checked out the absolute maze of new battery-portable power tools on offer these days? How much of that market segment is driven by the TeeVee adverts? Not a very big one. WHY? People who have work to do walk into the Home Cheapo and go play with the 'options. Buyers get to hold, aim, dry-fire, adjust, the tools on offer
"people are dying", bleat the sheep.
And teaching more kids to hit 7 of 11 small targets from 40 yards while someone is reloading might help reduce the number.
They hate guns so much, yet want to trade a gun runner for Brittany Griner? Someone who will just put more guns out there. Only in this state. At least I live in free"er" Ca.
They don’t hate guns. They hate citizens with guns.
Even more specific: they hate certain groups of citizens (who don't align or ally with then politically) with guns.
The left and Democrats LOVE that Antifa and other leftist (real, not fake) domestic terrorists are armed with lots of guns.
AB 2571 is obviously unconstitutional on its face. Parents and kids affected by it should seek an injunction.
-jcr
Another fascist attempt by another fascist Demo-rat. What is it about freedom that "progressives" and demo-rats don't like? I think they are afraid of real, responsible people that think for themselves. . Especially since there are no responsible thinkers in the dem-rat party.
It’s amazing, these laws prevent even *gun safety* training for kids. I know many people who are anti-gun but still want to make sure their kids understand gun safety in case they come across a gun.
Just more theater from California. This will go down in SCOTUS once it's challenged and the 9th circuit upholds it.
It should die in California courts.
Oh no, Marketing!
Back in the 80s prosecutors around the country were making names for themselves enforcing "community standards" by raiding sex shops and seizing dildos as obscene. At the time I raged against the notion that a lump of rubber in a particular shape could be illegal. How could a shape be illegal?
This stuff with receivers and gun parts being illegal to manufacture at home is also innately offensive.
This is the battle libertarians must choose. It is a principled stand that we must make... this notion that gun parts can be regulated and controlled to the point that you cannot make a firing pin in your garage must be put down. We are so far from "shall not be infringed" at that point, the phrase has no meaning.
By abandoning principled stands like this because not many people are affected, we get crazy laws like "you can't talk to minors about guns." They are miles over the line now. This should never have been possible. But we chose not to take it to the mat over other infringements, and now here we are.
This is the cost of a libertarian movement that abandons libertarian principles.
Re: "How could a shape be illegal?"
We libertarians all know it was never about making any particular shape illegal. It's about making particular persons who don't completely comply with the government's demands illegal using any flimsy excuse they can come up with.
Today, it'll be a kid getting expelled from gov't school for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun. Tomorrow, it'll be that same kid, now grown up, executed for not having a photo of the Dear Leader enshrined in his home.
the hilarious thing about that chewed up PopTart was that the kid never intended to make it look like a gun. He claims he chewed it into the shape of a mountain. It was the highly intelligent emotionally stable woke-before-woke-was-a-thing teacher who declared it to be a gun. SHE had some sort of fetish going on and went barmy trying to impose HER "values" on everyone else.
Jolly likely candidate for a fresh term in NY State's government
jeezus, what a proggy piece of crap Reason's become, framing a piece about unconstitutional overreach by Democrat lawmakers concerning firearms in such a positive light!
Some individuals already think that there is a law prohibiting youngsters from handling or even shooting firearms.
In his yard, my cousin has a gun range. in line with Best Home Remodeling Services When some passing motorists spotted us instructing my great niece and his grandchildren to shoot, they phoned the police. When the police caught on to what we were doing, they had no issues, but the folks who had contacted them were furious because we weren't being detained. Without noting that there were adults watching them when they called, they said it was kids with guns. On the other side, because they abolished their rifle team last year, my High School Three String Match Record will always stand.
Goody, and then sorry to hear it.
This is all very deliberate.
The gun abolitionists have openly discussed that demographically, in 50 years, there will be almost no gun owners, and thus, they will be able to easily enact a complete gun ban.
The two big problems are that Americans in general, including gun owners, are not having enough children AND those gun owners that do have children are not imparting the love and importance of guns, shooting, and hunting to their children.
Instead, many youths are gravitating towards urban life and leftist politics (even today's "conservative" youth are pretty far left of yesteryear's youth). When their gun-owning parents die, they won't know what to do with the guns they inherit and will simply turn them in to the cops for destruction.
he two big problems are that Americans in general, including gun owners, are not having enough children AND those gun owners that do have children are not imparting the love and importance of guns, shooting, and hunting to their children.
You need to get out more, or perhaps travel in some different circles. I know PLENTY of red blooded yanks who have, carry, , use guns on a regular basis, AND have multiple children.. Most get introduced to firearms and their proper/safe use very early on. One Dad I know bought his eleven year old Son an M1 Garand from CMP. The kid took to it like ducks to water. Out at the local range, some of the members ot the club's marksmanship team watched the kid....how safe, methodical, careful, accurate he was and invited him to join their competition team. Couldn't, because per the bylaws he ws too young, Had to be 21 AND pass the NRA quaifir target to spc and time.
The club met and changed the bylaws removing the minimum age requirement. Kid has been shooting in competitioin with them a fea years now and is all but unbeatable. He scored signficantly higher thana many of the veteran team members who have been winning awards in competitions for decades. Just think.. he COULD be out busting windows, burning down courthouses, and other houses, banging your daughters, and dealing Fent on the side. Take away his ability to persue marksmanship, you don't leave many other options for him. They you will go on a whinge about all the violence..... thinking its caused by the marketing of guns to "kids". Nah, they want what they want without those adverts.
Question: Do those Hollywood movies that glorify gun violence count? Netflix going to drop the Dirty Harry Series?
I count two with their free hand in their pocket. And two who are leaning back, instead of forward.
They should clean up their form, and take another picture.
But seriously, it's good to see kids shooting!
Lol. Just more theater from California, one of bigest problem in their land
The abortion law recognizes the inalienable right to life of the unborn.
What right does this bill recognize?
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