Study: Huanan Market In Wuhan Was the 'Epicenter' of COVID-19 Outbreak
"Have we disproven the 'lab leak' theory? No, we have not."

Did the coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic originate from live animals for sale in the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China, or as a lab leak from the Wuhan Institute for Virology? In search of answer to this question, a new article in Science parses the early outbreak data along with environmental samples taken in Huanan Market supplied by Chinese researchers. It finds that the market was the "epicenter" for the contagion. A second article concludes that the outbreak began after two genetically distinct coronaviruses infected people beginning in November and December of 2019.
Do these findings rule out the possibility that the COVID-19 coronavirus originated from the institute? No. The first article acknowledges that "events upstream of the market, as well as exact circumstances at the market, remain obscure, highlighting the need for further studies to understand and lower the risk of future pandemics." Those "events upstream" could include a scenario in which someone associated with the Virology Institute was unknowingly infected with the virus and carried it to the market while shopping.
"Have we disproven the lab leak theory? No, we have not," one of the study's authors told The Washington Post. "Will we ever be able to? No. But there are 'possible' scenarios and there are 'plausible' scenarios….'Possible' does not mean equally likely."
Skeptics of the natural origin of the virus will point to its novel furin cleavage site (FCS), which enhances its ability to latch onto and infect human cells. Broad Institute researcher Yujia Alina Chan and her colleagues noted in a January 2022 article for Molecular Biology and Evolution that the Wuhan Institute had earlier proposed to research FCS in coronaviruses found in bats. They further observed that the FCS has not been found so far in plausible evolutionary forebears of the COVID-19 coronavirus.
On the other hand, a May 2022 analysis of the genetics of bat coronaviruses in Communications Biology identifies "several possible ways for natural acquisition of the FCS" in bat coronaviruses. This, they argue, supports "a natural evolutionary origin from bats with or without the involvement of [other animal] intermediary hosts."
In June, the World Health Organization urged the Chinese government and researchers to allay speculations about lab leaks by being more forthcoming about the work on coronavirus viruses undertaken at the Wuhan Institute for Virology. The world is still waiting to hear from them.
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I mean, they said the market is the "epicenter" which means it's not where it actually happened. Surely this is not another example of people just using "epicenter" wrong when they could just use "center"!
You're not kidding.
I mean, I dropped a rockin' deuce in the bathroom. 5 people walked by in the hall after and all gagged. The hall might have been where lots of people encountered the stench, but it was decidedly NOT the origin.
Epicenter is very specifically exactly, precisely, where the problem comes from. Like an earthquake happens at a specific point, even if 100 miles away it is felt and does damage, where the plates slipped past each other happened at a very specific location. That's the epicenter. Not the nearest town with people.
All weasel wording to provide cover for the real source.
If they can come up with a 'plausible' evolutionary way to avoid
Chinese culpability they will offer it. It is exactly the Clinton plausible-deniability strategy
It's not weasel wording at all. It's just wrong. It's like how people use the word iconic now. They're using epicenter to mean center. To the point that MW has a secondary definition for epicenter that says "center".
And I think Ron Bailey putting quotes around it in the article and in the title might be subtly mocking it too. It's hard to say, he might just be quoting but I'm going to read it as him also mocking the use of epicenter.
He spent so much time denying the possibility of the a lab leak (given China's stellar safety and human rights record, who wouldn't) that now he must be mocking everything but the lab leak? Sorry, I'm not giving the CCP mouthpiece the benefit of the doubt. The only reason to highligh the nothing of a report is to bring naturalborigin back to the fore. nothing
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It’s good of the CCP to reassure us that they had nothing to do with KungFlu.
We love the Dear Leader.
Yes I love that we are going to believe samples from Chinese researchers are anything to be believed
So, they are relying on Chinese data of infections? Seriously? Mapping and then running statistical models. Really? How about mutation probabilities in the virus which just happen to be highly effective in infecting humans? Mutations are not "driven" but random...I'd like to see some statistical biochemists weigh in that side of the debate.
In June, the World Health Organization urged the Chinese government and researchers to allay speculations about lab leaks by being more forthcoming about the work on coronavirus viruses undertaken at the Wuhan Institute for Virology. The world is still waiting to hear from them.
If you want the answer to that, I can get you Fauci's number.
All you will get from him is lies.
Yes, but perhaps a couple of car batteries and a set of jumper cables might reveal the combination to the safe in his home office.
In June, the World Health Organization urged the Chinese government and researchers to allay speculations about lab leaks by being more forthcoming
Strongly worded letters and all that.
HANS BRIX... YOU'RE BREAKIN' MY BARRWS HERE!
I can understand how it would be more difficult to be more forthcoming with broken balls. I don't much care. If that's what it takes to find out who and how behind 6 million deaths, well, eggs/omelettes.
MI6/Davos
Read the book Viral by Matt Ridley https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006313912X/reasonmagazinea-20/. Or listen to a podcast where he talks about his findings.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lab-leak-hypothesis-the-origin-of-covid-19/id1205359334?
i=1000541949042https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVAAEUTsz5g
Crappy link the first time. Try this: https://youtu.be/nVAAEUTsz5g
Not going to sum it up?
No offense, but I'm reading a whole fucking book to understand your point.
Well if Chinese researchers that didn't want to end up being disappeared said it, then that settles it for me!
Very kind of the CCP to resolve these questions. Clearly they should be taken at their word.
And I will argue that this does not support a "natural evolutionary origin from bats" in a way that makes the lab leak less plausible than natural origin.
They can get back to us when they find a wild bat population with a coronavirus that already has the FCS.
They can get back to us when they find a wild bat population with a coronavirus that already has the FCS.
Nope. Don't care. They were doing GOF research in an infectious disease lab without wearing KN95 masks or closed rebreathers 24/7. They could cook a reasonable facsimile of the FCS up in a lab like Pfizer/Moderna did sans infectious proteins and sans masks. They didn't do either of those. Put them up on a platform and put an impermeable plastic bag over their heads with the message, "This is what happens to people who fuck up GOF research."
Again, even if we did this and it turned out that it, somehow, actually provably came from a bat population (which, at this point, you'd think they could've dosed some bats or adulterated some samples or something), we'd still be well shy of Blackstone's Ratio and sending the right message.
Sometimes you can cut the Gordian knot. Here, the answer comes from asking why the CCP is refusing to cooperate, why they have deleted data. False pride is a weak answer. The more likely answer, from what we know of dictatorships and central planning, is that they know their lab created the virus and do not want to admit it.
Look at how many US political crimes were found from the coverup, not from the crime itself. They provide clear examples of why a dictatorship is also obfuscating facts.
It's times like this that I feel the need to rely on the eternal wisdom of Jerry Seinfeld. Otherwise, I'd feel the overwhelming need to liquidate every human involved.
You want me to take an overview? OK, exact circumstances in the market weren't clear, the virologists almost certainly weren't wearing masks and, even if they were masked and vaxxed, prevention isn't 100%. Then, even if they were masked and vaxxed, and it was 100% effective against the strain being researched in the lab, we've seen variants push the efficacy below 10% in less than a month. So, here's my overview: What I see is some of the most inept and morally corrupt group of people claiming to be scientists the world has ever seen, people who, by every right should be eliminated in the most painful way possible, making the case for doing more GOF research.
Seriously. A collection of scientists *SCIENTISTS* have woven the narrative of *lies* so tightly that they can't unwind some of the lies without fucking up other lies. A narrative so retardedly twisted that it makes Trump look like a 12D chess genius and, if we went through and put a bullet in every head that ever touched the stuff or signed off on the research, would almost certainly result in fewer deaths than Cuomo killed in New York. And, even if it didn't, certainly wouldn't remotely approach the global deaths within an order of magnitude. Even if it goes completely off the rails and kills twice the number of scientists that it should it would A) still be lower than the global death total and B) would serve as a fine example of anyone thinking about doing GOF research on the sly between foreign adversaries. Trump bragged that he could shoot someone in the middle of Time Square and get away with it. The case against Fauci et al. more than justifies it.
He's not casually mad: his wit's diseased.
Fauci must answer for his crimes against humanity.
Not just Fauci
The entire left.
All the fucking policy makers, Karen's, and lying media stooges.
So you're saying Trump was a leftist for employing Fauci for four straight years?
I have never seen anyone claiming Trump was good at hiring competent personnel.
At least he had no problem shitcanning people when he needed to.
What did he do?
"Covid couldn't have originated from the Wuhan Institute for Virology's Coronavirus Research Program, the obvious epicenter is definitely the farmer's market 400 yards away.
You're all dangerous conspiracy theorists, Facebook and Twitter are right to ban you." - Mike Laursen, February 2021
"On the other hand, a May 2022 analysis of the genetics of bat coronaviruses in Communications Biology identifies "several possible ways for natural acquisition of the FCS" in bat coronaviruses. This, they argue, supports "a natural evolutionary origin from bats with or without the involvement of [other animal] intermediary hosts."
A theoretically plausible way for a wild virus strain to acquire the FCS is not strong evidence in itself that it did happen, barring other clues. Unless there is such supporting evidence, there does not appear to be much reason to conclude that it was a wild strain.
It really is a huge conclusion to jump to. Especially with the Chinese hiding do much, applying so much pressure on the scientists.
Feels a lot like the Naked Gun when Leslie Nielson tells everyone there's nothing to see here.
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/gif-leslie-nielsen-nothing-to-see-here-2.gif
Worth mentioning that if the CCP had deliberately created this virus and released it, it still would not be the worst thing they've ever done.
The CCP is not, and has never been a legitimate government. The Chinese people have never had a chance to vote for their own leaders. The CCP is a terrorist gang with nuclear weapons, a billion and a half hostages, active genocidal campaigns in Xinjian and Tibet, and they have every intention to increase their power at any cost.
-jcr
The Chinese have had at least 3 SARS1 lab leaks, yet it is unpossible! that this on leaked.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20040423/china-sars-death
None of the researchers quoted in this article said it was impossible.
You need to stop believing things out of proportion to the evidence to support them.
Fauci squealed like a stuck pig when it first came up, and the lefturd media fell right in line and vilified everyone who wanted to talk about it for about two years.
-jcr
To me this is the smoking gun it came from a lab. The odds two similar, yet distinct viruses jump from two different animals and the same time and place is low. The odds there are two similar, yet distinct viruses in a lab that studies said virus is high.
And scientists have not totally ruled out the involvement of a lab. It's always a possibility when it comes to deadly viruses that exist in labs.
Scientists want to know the origin of the virus in order to contribute to the body of human knowledge and perhaps prevent the next pandemic.
What you want to know is which scapegoat we need to sacrifice to the plague gods.
I feel like pounding my head on the wall. How many millennia do people have to keep burning witches at the stake before you realize that not everything has to be the fault of someone?
Eat a bullet.
Let’s say COVID originated in the US, don’t you think the first thing everyone would want to know was if it might have been caused by human error? Then, the responsible party (hospital or university) would face a massive onslaught of lawsuits from the victims, their families, city, and state governments who have had to pay for their treatment. Yet somehow-because it happened in China, we are supposed to just look the other way and accept their official version of events?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-military-makes-plans-protect-pelosi-after-china-warns-forceful-response-over-taiwan
O]fficials said this week that a visit to Taiwan by Pelosi — she would be the highest-ranking U.S. elected official to visit Taiwan since 1997 — would go beyond the usual safety precautions for trips to less risky destinations.
Asked about planned military steps to protect Pelosi, D-Calif., in the event of a visit, U.S. Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Wednesday that discussion of any specific travel is premature. But, he added, “if there’s a decision made that Speaker Pelosi or anyone else is going to travel and they asked for military support, we will do what is necessary to ensure a safe conduct of their visit. And I’ll just leave it at that.”
" . . . a new article in Science parses the early outbreak data along with environmental samples taken in Huanan Market supplied by Chinese researchers."
"Science" magazine reporting on data supplied by Communist Chinese?
Now I have no doubts at all.
Lab leak theory remains taboo because Evil Orange Man once promoted it. If the journal Science were to confirm that, there would be problems - they might even get banned from google searches as disinformation/fake news.
I don't understand why you people can't go to the bathroom in the morning without dreaming up a conspiracy theory about it.
The human brain can find agency in a potato. You need to immediately be skeptical of any inclination you have to believe that some agent with willpower is responsible for everything. It's a fucking glitch. Evolutionary snot.
You recognize it, then tell yourself that nature can do things all by itself without any moral agents involved. You can see how this error in human logic can lead to bad places.
You cocksuckers are getting scared, aren’t you?
Tony, not all gays are faggots, and not all faggots are gay. But you, you’re a faggot, and on so many different levels.
It would be good if you drank a bottle of Drano.
The human brain can find agency in a potato.
Like the one in the White House?
-jcr
Yes, people can get a bit nuts on such things but we are talking about this specific issue. The ChiComs have not helped dispel concern. On the contrary they appear to be actively covering up the origin. Proof? No, nor are we ever likely to get the bottom of this. Regardless, I hope labs around the world look at their processes and make improvements in safety and containment. Even how they manipulate these viruses to minimize the consequences of inadvertent release. As someone who works in a technical field, I have seen that denying the possibility of an event limits how seriously one takes it.
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Why no conspiracy theory updates on all dozen Asian Flu pandemics preceding this one?
Could they have been caused by , gasp, natural selection in th biosphere?
Americans are getting better at accepting communist propaganda.
China has reported a whopping total of 5000 deaths from covid19.
Does that include pangolins that were eaten after testing positive?
The Wuhan virology lab containment was designed in ,and its construction and operations overseen by France together with its security systems & protocols
The Wuhan Many Species Of Live Things That Move On Sale Here market not so much.
After it was released from the lab.
The bats who carried the coronavirus COVID19 was based on came from Yunnan province over 1000 miles away from Wuhan.
The first cases weren’t in Yunnan or on the way between Yunnan and Wuhan as they would necessarily have been if the Covid19 that killed millions of Americans was naturally occurring.