Republicans and Democrats Battle To Control What Google Shows People Seeking Pregnancy Help
It's none of their business.

Google can't win when it comes to ads for crisis pregnancy centers. Democrats in Congress have been pressuring Google to "limit the appearance" of ads and websites for these businesses, which exist to persuade pregnant women not to abort and aren't always truthful about their nonneutral viewpoint or abortion realities. Now, Republicans are threatening to take action against Google if it gives in.
"Complying with these demands would constitute a grave assault on the principle of free speech," a group of 17 Republican attorneys general wrote in a letter to Google CEO Sundar Pichai this week. "Suppressing pro-life and pro-mother voices at the urging of government officials would violate the most fundamental tenet of the American marketplace of ideas."
They're not wrong. It's one thing to suggest that crisis pregnancy centers should be held accountable if they're breaking the law in some way. It's quite another for federal lawmakers to pressure a private company to suppress information about crisis pregnancy centers. That smacks of unconstitutional censorship.
The situation has relevance far beyond Google and crisis pregnancy centers, showcasing the impossible situation that many tech companies now find themselves in when it comes to handling controversial content. Democrats routinely demand that these companies do more to limit or quash misinformation—whether it's about abortion, elections, COVID-19, or anything else—and other types of speech they deem dangerous. Meanwhile, many Republicans want to make it illegal for tech companies to suppress or moderate certain sorts of information at all.
The GOP position ends up being more friendly to free speech in a nominal sense, but risks—as in the case of recent Texas and Florida social media laws—swinging so far toward the free speech side that it perversely becomes anti-speech. After all, the First Amendment protects the right of individuals and entities not to engage in government-compelled speech too. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. should be able to platform whatever type of legal speech they choose but should also be free to limit or ban it too.
In this case, the Republican attorneys general are right to suggest that Democrats' demand to limit crisis pregnancy center information was "inappropriate."
But they're throwing their weight around a little too much to be painted as unqualified free-speech defenders. In demanding Google explain to them—within 14 days—whether it has started handling crisis pregnancy center results any differently, and threatening the company with an investigation or new regulations if so, the Republican prosecutors risk further encroaching on the company's right to moderate search results as it sees fit.
This kerfuffle over crisis pregnancy center results also highlights how much politics has become a battle for control of online information—and provides a discouraging sneak peek at all the abortion-related speech battles to come.
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I hope Democrats find a way to put so-called "crisis pregnancy centers" out of business. How dare they try to reduce Planned Parenthood's revenue.
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“Crisis pregnancy” hahaha
I hope that "Team R" nationwide, will step into the BROAD-BUSTING footsteps of the "Team R" Brethren of the Rethugglican Church of Idaho, and PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH the evil sluts and WITCHES who DARE to become ectopically pregnant!!! BURN the Fallopian tubes of ALL the SINNERS and WITCHES, nation-wide, who DARE to host unborn babies in that them thar witchy Fallopian tubes of thars!!!!
https://reason.com/2022/07/19/idaho-state-gop-says-abortion-should-be-illegal-even-when-used-to-save-a-womans-life/
When you go to Jigoku and are crossing the Sanzu, I hope that the souls of the aborted there rip your psyche to shreds.
Just have to put a piece of shit to the right of him and one to the left. His soul will render in half deciding which one to go after.
Treating an ectopic pregnancy is NOT an abortion. You can even do this in Catholic hospitals. Stop lying!
I hope Democrats don't put them out of business. I hope decent Americans stop associating with the centers that are operated by lying, misleading assholes, though -- which, I sense, is most of them.
Planned Parenthood is a charity. It doesn't care about revenue. They measure success based on impact. How many people they help.
A 'charity' that gets millions of taxpayer dollars every year? LOL What about the money they get selling baby parts?
Most charities are scams, and the vast majority of them are ineffective at what they purport to do.
I was talking with a corporate philanthropist (her job is to give away her father's money to good causes) and she told me that over 94% of charities blow nearly all their income on expenses not at all related to their supposed purpose.
I've seen more than a few charities that were set up as tax avoidance (a good thing by libertarian standards but not for the donors not in on the secret) OR for the officers to hobknob with the rich and famous at fundraising parties.
At best, large charities are just jobs programs where the donors pay the wages of the employees. I call this a scam, because the money was collected on false pretenses, but at best, one could call it a jobs program to keep those employees off the street.
Why do you feel so hateful for the women who CHOOSE to have their baby? Isn't this what you call 'choice' all about? These Centers help people who CHOOSE to have their baby, or are you against that, too? It was their CHOICE. When was the last time YOU helped a person? Why are you so angry? And what did a baby ever do to you? Why do you hate them so much? What is YOUR deal? Did you have an abortion and now you can't have any kids? Is it guilt? So, every unborn must die? Where is the 'tolerance' from the left when they are asking it from everyone else? You guys are DONE. People aren't standing for your bullshit any more. No one is buying your agenda any more. So, go to your 'safe space' (lol) and take a pill. People are so sick of all of abortion and woke bullshit that it will be stomped out of existence in the near future. Ride the wave while you can, Commie.
Republicans and Democrats Battle To Control What Google Shows People Seeking Pregnancy Help!!!!
*reads article*
"Democrats seek to control what Google shows people seeking pregnancy help and Republicans want to thwart their censorship attempt"
Oh ENB.
Yeah, read it to see what the GOP was proposing but all I saw was Republicans are saying the government can't pressure private companies to censor on their behalf.
soldier medic, I'm not sure read it thoroughly.
"The GOP position ends up being more friendly to free speech in a nominal sense, but risks—as in the case of recent Texas and Florida social media laws—swinging so far toward the free speech side that it perversely becomes anti-speech. After all, the First Amendment protects the right of individuals and entities not to engage in government-compelled speech too. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. should be able to platform whatever type of legal speech they choose but should also be free to limit or ban it too."
"But they're throwing their weight around a little too much to be painted as unqualified free-speech defenders. In demanding Google explain to them—within 14 days—whether it has started handling crisis pregnancy center results any differently, and threatening the company with an investigation or new regulations if so, the Republican prosecutors risk further encroaching on the company's right to moderate search results as it sees fit."
Sad
Liars lie.
Leftists are fundamentally liars.
In this context, the lying assholes are the anti-abortion propaganda centers masquerading as medical facilities, honest brokers, and decent human beings.
Which they of course actually are.
You know who isn't an honest broker and decent human being?
You.
One thing in your favor though is that your not masquerading as one either.
So indecent to encourage the continuation of a pregnancy.
Another rousing meeting of Libertarians For Statist Womb Management (joint meeting with Libertarians For Big-Government Micromanagement Of Ladyparts Clinics), convened at a website crawling with bigoted, uneducated, authoritarian right-wing slack-jaws prancing around in unconvincing libertarian drag.
Carry on, clingers. Until you are replaced, by your betters.
How is a private organization offering pregnancy care and adoption care, as an alternative to abortion, statist? That's pretty stupid even for you.
I would've supported your abortion. Financially even, had I been given the chance.
In the case of Arthur's mother the truth of that is evident.
If they are lying that often to their customers, it should be very easy to find a customer and sue them for fraud under existing laws. So, why haven't we seen a tsunami of lawsuits against these centers?
Who in their right mind uses google as a search engine any more?
This is working really hard to be a both sides argument. ENB admits that the News is that Democrat lawmakers are calling on google to suppress certain viewpoints, and that GOP AGs are complaining that this is government censorship. ENB even admits that they are right to do this.
So obviously she needs to both sides it...Um, I guess she can reach back to old news...And then make this bizarre statement: "In demanding Google explain to them—within 14 days—whether it has started handling crisis pregnancy center results any differently, and threatening the company with an investigation or new regulations if so, the Republican prosecutors risk further encroaching on the company's right to moderate search results as it sees fit."
The investigation is whether the Federal Government is forcing censorship, or the company is engaging in illegal religious discrimination at the Federal Government's request. How is this inappropriate, and how does it interfere with free speech?
I tend to agree that corporations should be allowed to moderate how they see fit. But we now have corporations "choosing" to censor based on specific instructions from the government.
I am curious to know whether ENB would be framing this argument the same way if GOP Senators were, say, calling on Google to censor bath houses, and the AG of California was saying they would investigate google for adhering to federal censorship or breaking non-discrimination laws.
No. Because everyone knows Democrats are the ones who are protecting and reforming democracy while Republicans want everyone enslaved. It's so bad that Republicans think laws should only come from elected legislatures, that the government can't use it's power to enact censorship through a 2nd degree of separation and that returning decisions to the state, rather than the federal government.
LOL, really? My God, you have a distorted view of things.
I am curious to know whether ENB would be framing this argument the same way if GOP Senators were, say, calling on Google to censor bath houses, and the AG of California was saying they would investigate google for adhering to federal censorship or breaking non-discrimination laws.
No, we'd get a completely different article about right-wing culture warriors and then a plug for a book about the New History of the Old Right. Then an interview about "how in hell can you even be in the room with Tucker Carlson? I mean, ewww... but surely you agree that Trump is just awful, amirite?"
how in hell can you even be in the room with Tucker Carlson? I mean, ewww"
that still makes me laugh, its so kindergarten level thinking and typical of you disagree therefore you should be shunned, so much for open discourse of ideas. typical of the left these day and yes Reason is left there is nothing libertarian about it anymore. I only come here for the comments.
No company wants to be investigated even if they did nothing wrong. Google will incur legal fees to deal with this BS. Both Google and the AGs know this, therefore it's a threat.
Need help getting pregnant?
I can help with that.
Don't stick it in crazy.
It's none of their business.
And Google is only taking calls from one half of those people in the battle.
Reason has been on the wrong side of this issue from the beginning. Censorship is bad from the libertarian perspective whether it is done by private gatekeepers or by government. When they collude it becomes unconstitutional. Even before ENB's boy Biden was coronated the collusion was obvious. Now it's unapologetically in your in your face. Fuck you Reason.
There was an article in Time describing literal coordination between Big Tech, NGOs, and governments at every level to dictate the outcome of the 2020 presidential race.
Private actors can do anything they want. If you don't like Google, use Bing.
which exist to persuade pregnant women not to abort and aren't always truthful about their nonneutral viewpoint or abortion realities.
Citation needed. Just one. I have seen this claim asserted all over the place without one single example of actual fraud or lies taking place.
also why are they supposed to have a 'non neutral viewpoint' in the first place? They're not allowed to say 'we are against abortion and want you to keep your baby'? Why?
I'm sure planned parenthood is all about giving as much information an 'nonneutral viewpoints' on abortion vs. keeping the baby. wtf. It's just absolutely absurd to criticize pregnancy crisis centers for not being neutral enough on abortion.
Free speech means anyone should be able to say anything that they want to say, IMHO. That said, how about the LIES being bandered about? I will now forward what I have heard about these LIES!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/02/health/abortion-myths-mental-health-wellness/index.html
Myths about abortion and women's mental health are widespread, experts say
from above…
Women denied an abortion who carried their babies to term were "much more likely to experience physical health issues at the time of childbirth, as childbirth is much more risky than having an abortion," Biggs said. Two of the women in the study died during childbirth.
A 2012 study found the risk of death associated with childbirth is approximately 14 times higher than the risk from abortion.
After five years, the study found women denied an abortion were more likely to "live in poverty and much more likely to suffer economic hardship, including more bankruptcies, debt and challenges meeting basic living needs," Biggs said.
Women who were turned away were also more likely to be tethered to a violent and abusive partner, and to have chronic health conditions, Biggs said. "They also lowered their aspirations (for the future), and they were less likely to achieve them," she added.
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One of the above links … A 2012 study found the risk of death associated with childbirth is approximately 14 times higher than the risk from abortion. translates to: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22270271/
The comparative safety of legal induced abortion and childbirth in the United States
https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/maternal-deaths/index.html
700 women die each year from pregnancy related issues, 3/5th of which are from preventable and treatable conditions because they didn't seek medical help. There are 33,000,000+ births per year, so the risk of death from pregnancy is statistically almost non existent. Bringing this up is stupid and meaningless.
700 women die each year from pregnancy related issues, 3/5th of which are from preventable and treatable conditions because they didn't seek medical help, because they are afraid of being BUSTED for having used UN-approved, NOT-prescribed-for-them coat-hangers!
OK, yet another link: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/05/27/1099739656/do-restrictive-abortion-laws-actually-reduce-abortion-a-global-map-offers-insigh “Do restrictive abortion laws actually reduce abortion? A global map offers insights” Answer: No, tighter laws do NOT reduce the number of abortions… They just make them harder to get, and more dangerous!
Another non-sequitor. The subject is what lies do crisis pregnancy centers provide that requires the government to threaten companies to disassociate with them? So far all you've given is meaningless statistics but no lies.
So the good folks of Idaho will be left to TRUST in the (NON-party-platform) good words and benevolence of the Idaho "Team R", when "Team R" says to TRUST in their good words and benevolence, in EXCLUSION of their no-holds-barred red-meat-for-the-rubes, no-exclusions-allowed fire-and-brimstone anti-abortion preachings? Can you see WHY it might be that the more-secular unbelievers might have trouble with that? What happens if this fervor spreads across the whole nation, and sinning witches who get ectopic pregnancies no longer have ANY place to flee to, to save their lives? ... "Suck it up, ye sinning buttercups!"
Another distraction, and one that I've answered at length, multiple times. You just want to propose unsupportable fear mongering hypotheticals. You still haven't shown what lies Crisis Pregnancy Centers tell. It's all non-sequitors on your part. Distractions, fear mongering (pregnancy is life threatening, the GOP is going to go against all it's history and ban something that they've never banned because they won't say what you want them to say, and address a bullshit hypothetical case that you have no evidence or suggestion is even close to being the truth, bringing up how banning abortions doesn't reduce abortions etc) you haven't yet answered the fucking question woodchipper proposed that you originally responded to. You keep bringing up anything but answering the questions. I am for legalized abortion and don't necessarily agree with the Republican platform in Idaho but also know you are being fucking dishonest. You are so fucking dishonest that I end up spending time showing your dishonesty rather than actually debating the issues. You are fucking insane and rather tiresome. Additionally, you seem to not only support legal abortion but celebrate it and endorse it over pregnancy. You are uncompromising and also illogical and emotionally driven. You don't want to discuss this maturely, you don't want to actually defend it instead you ridicule and demand others play by your rules and address your ridiculous hypotheticals.
"Just give us more POWER, and TRUST in us to NOT abuse it! All of our supporters and fellow tribesmen firmly assure you that we'll place nicely with all of our new powers to decide what, exactly, is, and is not, an abortion, for you or your wife or girlfriend!"
Because Idaho politicians have SUCH a long history of being experts in lady parts? Just send a pillcam down there first, to make sure that the ectopic pregnancy isn't viable, first!
And so you want POLITICIANS to decide, instead of moms and their doctors? Speaking of clueless politicians, see https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/idaho-republican-anti-abortion-swallow-camera , “Anti-abortion lawmaker gets anatomy lesson – women cannot swallow camera for exam.” (“Pill-cam”). It seems Idaho representative Vito Barbieri wasn’t listening in the third grade, when another student asked the teacher, “If babies come from mommy’s tummy, how come they don’t get digested?” And he’s not done ANY even vaguely serious studying of health matters since then, either! This clearly shows the UTTER medical ignorance of many power-hungry politicians, who would STILL over-regulate medicine, in order to pander to fanatics! Ignorance for the win, over decency, humility, and self-restraint!
88 deaths per 100,000, per your own citation, so we are talking a 0.09% chance of death. And you think this proves what? The vast majority of deaths are because of preventable and treatable causes (and abortion isn't the treatment, BTW) and a good portion of those that don't seek medical care are because they get care from unlicensed mid wives or some other granola bullshit. The risk of death in a hospital delivery is vanishingly small. This also doesn't disprove the mental health aspect. But even then, your citation, doesn't prove abortions are the better alternative. Because it doesn't address the social aspect of declining western birthrates, the social aspects of terminating pregnancy, etc. This is a facetious argument. The risk is so small in both cases that comparing them is utter bullshit.
Both are relatively safe, also comparing per hundred thousand would only be a useful statistic if the number of abortions was equal to the number of births. But it isn't even close. The best estimate is that only one in five of pregnancies ends in an abortion in 2020. That year there were 800,000+ abortions. Two women died from abortions. So neither abortions nor births in 2020 reached even 1% fatality or even 0.1% fatalities. Neither are risk free but neither are they life threatening. They're both safe. Comparing them is absurdly stupid, if we eliminate all pregnancy deaths due to treatable conditions, the numbers are almost identical (0.0008% risk of death from pregnancy vs 0.00025% from abortions). Wow, big numbers there and far less than 14 times. This is called critical thinking, which is how actual science is done.
Also consider that 3/5 of deaths are from preventable And treatable problems, which means that proper medical care would greatly reduce deaths. And guess what crisis pregnancy centers provide medical care, ergo, blocking access to them is arguably making pregnancy more dangerous for those at risk. Rather than push abortions, why not offer both sides, and let them decide? Why throttle the speech of crisis pregnancy centers, unless your only solution to those in dire needs is to abort their babies. Which sounds an awful lot like eugenics to me, and racist to boot, since many of the ones crisis pregnancy centers work with (the majority) are poor minorities. But then again, eugenics always contains a modicum of racism.
Also you still didn't show what they lied about, or what misinformation they provided, or dangerous information. You did try to laughingly imply pregnancy was unacceptably risky. But the numbers don't support that, so your post (which is copy and paste from yesterday And the day before) is worthless.
And you have STILL not supplied a sensible and benevolent reason WHY the Idaho Rethugglican Party has NOT applied a single, simple sentence (a sentence with a tiny scent of sentience, of the benevolent kind) that says, "Even though a Fallopian-tube cyst DOES contain a Sacred Fartilized Human-DNA Egg Smell, we pinky-swear NOT to call it a murderous 'abortion', when said non-viable cyst is removed to save the life of the mother".
WHY, Santa, WHY do they REFUSE to add ONE single, simple sentence to their hard-partying Party Platform?!?!?
Because only fuckers as stupid as you thinks it is necessary. Because you are being purposely dishonest saying it's necessary. It isn't. They refuse to play by your games. You haven't shown why it's necessary. Your own stupid post admits the cyst is non-viable. So it isn't ending a life. It's never been considered an abortion, and there is no evidence that anything has changed. You offer hypotheticals based upon no facts and demand others address those meaningless hypotheticals. Like I've told you multiple times. But yet you keep demanding we address you unrealistic fears, despite no evidence that anything like this would occur. Dealing with irrational fear isn't necessary, but we see irrational fear drives your thinking by trying to imply pregnancies are dangerous and abortions a better option.
Oh and bringing this up is another distraction. Just admit you worship abortions and want the government to punish anyone who opposed them or offers alternatives to abortion. Because it's obvious by your distractions and non-sequitor that is exactly what you're implying. You say you oppose government censorship then spend the rest of the post saying it's justified because crisis pregnancy centers lie but don't provide any evidence of lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDs57R6MYsY
Susheela Raman Trust In Me ("Kaa" the snake, in Jungle Boy)
Idaho "Team R" singing "Trust in MEEEE!!!"
Just TRUST in THEM, and NOT in their words in their party platform!
Juvenile. You still haven't shown any need for them to address this issue or why they need to, as you can show no evidence that after 100 years of the same policy, they suddenly have decided to start punishing women for a treatment that has never been considered an abortion (not even planned Parenthood calls it an abortion). No one but you actually believes this will remotely occur. You insist without any evidence they need to state this because you say they need to. You can't provide any evidence other than your unfounded conspiracy and fear. And you still haven't addressed the issue we are actually discussing. Because you know you don't have any proof. But it doesn't matter, because all you want is to shut down any opposition or alternative to abortions. By continuously bringing up impertinent data, and non sequiturs, that have nothing to do with crisis pregnancy centers, it's obvious that your only aim is to shut up those who disagree with you in celebrating abortions. You don't believe in the free market, because of you did, you wouldn't be so opposed to Crisis Pregnancy Centers, which it's abundantly clear to everyone you are by your current actions.
You think you have persuaded anyone with your dishonesty? In fact, you have turned off many of us that might agree with you. You're a better advocate for the pro-life crowd with you unhinged comments. You make their case for them by your dishonesty.
I apologize, I should never have engaged Sqrsly, and won't again in the future. It is obvious he has no pretense at honest discussion and only posts irrelevant posts to badger people into giving up. I knew this was his style, however, I have a devotion to honesty and replied the last two days to his posts only to expose his dishonesty. I believe I've accomplished that. So he is once again muted. He is beyond help, and that he will never actually engage in honest debate. He is incapable of staying on subject or even accepting that not everyone has to agree with his extreme positions. The ironic thing is he is more guilty of the sins he accused everyone else of. But then again, ideologues often are.
Just give Golum the Precious Ring of Power... He PROMISES not to abuse it! And he PROMISES to send a pillcam into Mommy's tummy, to make sure that the Fallopian pregnancy is gonna be all right!
See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/idaho-republican-anti-abortion-swallow-camera , “Anti-abortion lawmaker gets anatomy lesson – women cannot swallow camera for exam.”
Look, when you appropriate the pro-abortion language of "reproductive healthcare" and apply it to reproductive healthcare as a real thing and not-murder you're lying and comitting fraud to the proggy mindset.
Exactly. It is like how they are now attacking Latinos and Blacks who dare switch parties or demand results rather than blindly follow the left. We're in the process of a political realignment that started around 2007 and the left's reaction to it is very telling, and it's not only in America that we are seeing it. Sri Lanka, Netherlands, Canada, etc, we are seeing a mass defection of the middle class, especially the working class, deserting the left, rejecting elitism, rejecting elitist globalism, and it's driven by class not by race, ethnicity or religion as in the past. The old paradigms no longer mean anything. And we can't know the outcome until the dust settles and a new norm is established. The rise of populism and nationalism is being driven by a rejection of technocrats and elites, who ask only that we sacrifice, for their greater good. It's gained enough steam even the media in it's elitist bubble is taking notice. We see the effects. College enrollment it down, climate change and abortion aren't even registering as top issues for most voters, public school enrollment continues to decline, 126 Hispanics are running, many for the first time, as Republicans (many who were lifelong Democrats), blacks are starting to loudly ask what have the Democrats actually done for their loyalty. And how has the left and the elites (usually the same thing) responded? Not by trying to understand but by lecturing and as one Democrat in Pennsylvania said today 'it looks like I need to educate a lot of voters'.
And the danger is the right will overreach, and misread the realignment, which will only infuriate their new followers. In which case it could get violent. This isn't a endorsement for the right, simply a statement of facts and analysis based upon recent history.
"Look, when you appropriate the pro-abortion language of "reproductive healthcare" and apply it to reproductive healthcare as a real thing and not-murder you're lying and comitting fraud to the proggy mindset."
But it is NOT murder of the lady (AND her lady parts) to withhold medical care for her, by removing her Fallopian cyst? The rights of a Fallopian cyst now outrank a full-grown lady? Go, "Team R", go! THIS will get you some votes!
Here is one example for you.
https://worcesterwomens.clinic/
This is a crisis pregnancy center. If you browse through their website, though, they never actually say "we don't offer abortions". They really give the impression that if you visit their clinic, you'll be able to get an abortion if you want. It is misleading at best.
"This is a crisis pregnancy center. If you browse through their website, though, they never actually say "we don't offer abortions". They really give the impression that if you visit their clinic, you'll be able to get an abortion if you want. It is misleading at best."
They also do not say they offer vasectomies, so clearly, majorly misleading. They never once made anything resembling a claim that they perform abortions.
they exist therefore they must be lying because people only go to pregnancy centers to abort no one ever goes for help bringing kids into the world. Poor people should be having kids anyway
It's quite another for federal lawmakers to pressure a private company to suppress information
You've just now noticed that this is going on?
They don't read the comments, so they wouldn't know. Fair.
It's not like the President of the US publicly told the media that he calls FaceDerp to ban users that post misinformation. Oh wait...
Superstitious, bigoted, authoritarian wingnuts are among my favorite culture war casualties.
*Women* seeking pregnancy help should call their mothers, and a midwife. What good will targeted advertising ever do?
How do you manage to keep writing articles about the censorious actions of the progressives... Actions that would make Stalin and Hitler blush... And somehow manage to spend most of your energy on what Republicans might do in trying to stop them that might potentially be an overreach?
When suffering frostbite, do you jump in an ice bath, lest you risk warming too quickly and getting hyperthermia?
When suffering from anemia, do you engage in a little bloodletting just to ensure that you don't get any of the side effects that treatment for anemia could potentially cause?
This is the most peculiar response, yet it has been consistent over many, many years. Any time Democrats do something decidedly undemocratic and anti-liberty, you run to warn us all about the potential that Republicans might pounce.
How about we work on getting the progressive left to stop these horrific assaults on our free society as a palliative for the dangers of pouncing Republicans, instead of worrying about any missteps the response from the right might involve?
hear! hear!
On the merrits, this issue should really tell you something about who the people are on the opposing sides of this debate.
The far-right pro-life people have set up a network of "pregnancy crisis counselling centers" that are entirely funded by donations from private individuals. They seek to help women avoid using abortion as birth control by providing support for pregnant women, including emotional, financial and medical support. They offer help accessing adoption services should mother's chose that rout.
The far left pro-choicr crowd has a network of "family planning" service providers that were founded under the cloud of eugenics. They seek to provide abortion services to women who so choose, along with other healthcare services. They focus on providing these services to low income women and women of color. They are funded by insurance payments, government funding, fees and donations.
The progressive left is seeking to ban people from speaking to women about alternatives to abortion. They are attempting to use the power of government to shut down services that help poor and minority women give birth to healthy babies and find safe and loving homes for the babies.
The right is attempting to stop or limit the termination of pregnancies for everyone, including minorities and poor people. But the issue at hand here is the attempt to use persuasion and support to convince women to carry their baby to term.
Wherever you are on the issue of abortion, there really is not any way to cast Elizabeth Warren and the progressive crowd in any positive light on the issue of pregnancy crisis centers. Their entire motivation is centered around ensuring that as many babies as possible are aborted... Particularly among minorities, the poor and for reasons that completely escape me, the LGBTQ community. They want to stop christian outreach organizations from "exploiting" young women at a time of great stress by showing them that they have alternatives to abortion.
It really is hard to even come up with a rationalization for this position. It seems inherently evil from the jump. They truly are "pro-abortion" in their actions, not merely "pro-choice".
This should be an easy call for libertarians. Or anyone who is not a full on, 1920s progressive eugenicist racist.
The far-right pro-life people have set up a network of "pregnancy crisis counselling centers" that are entirely funded by donations from private individuals.
Not entirely true. Many crisis pregnancy centers also receive government funding, mostly at the state level, but Trump also permitted crisis pregnancy centers to receive federal money in the form of "family planning grants".
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-business-health-nashville-personal-taxes-fffa6f6f86e6eaa448b8ea89087a1c46
The far left pro-choicr crowd has a network of "family planning" service providers that were founded under the cloud of eugenics.
Well. If THAT'S how you are going to describe Planned Parenthood, then to be fair, perhaps we should describe crisis pregnancy centers as "a network of CPCs that were founded under a cloud of misogynistic Christian fundamentalism". I mean, if we're going to read the worst possible motives into Team Blue, shouldn't we do the same to Team Red?
The progressive left is seeking to ban people from speaking to women about alternatives to abortion. They are attempting to use the power of government to shut down services that help poor and minority women give birth to healthy babies and find safe and loving homes for the babies.
The right is attempting to stop or limit the termination of pregnancies for everyone, including minorities and poor people. But the issue at hand here is the attempt to use persuasion and support to convince women to carry their baby to term.
Well, Elizabeth Warren did say that CPCs should be "banned". That is stupid and wrong. Although it should be pointed out that she hasn't proposed any legislation to that effect. On the other hand Team Red politicians ARE trying to ban individuals from talking to people about getting an abortion, AND have proposed legislation to that effect.
https://www.wltx.com/article/news/politics/south-carolina-fetal-heartbeat-abortion-ban-protest-columbia-roe-v-wade-overturned/275-0dbf4d51-9020-4db2-9308-273379ba9f38
Wherever you are on the issue of abortion, there really is not any way to cast Elizabeth Warren and the progressive crowd in any positive light on the issue of pregnancy crisis centers.
Many of them are overly hostile towards crisis pregnancy centers, that is true. They are not evil, they do provide valuable services. But they are not without blame. Many of them deliberately try to conceal the fact that they don't actually offer abortions, trying to trick people who are considering an abortion to check them out. Many of them do offer misleading information, and are heavy-handed with the Christian proselytization. But they have the right to exist within the limits of anti-fraud laws.
There has been a push from some on the pro-life side to rebrand them as "Pregnancy Resource Centers" which is actually a better name for them anyway. It provides resources for your pregnancy.
I'm also bewildered at the idea that it's an egregious sin for these places to not have a giant "no abortions here" sign or something. Every one of these places I've seen or looked up is pretty clear that they offer resources for mothers.
Even if there's some level of "fraud" going on here, I'm confused as to why this is such an egregious offence warranting special attention. If I go into a restaurant called "Taco Steve's" and find out that it's just called that because Steve's nickname is Taco and this is a burger joint, I don't scream fraud and get lawyers. I don't call the feds to shut down Steve's joint because I don't like what he's doing. I just leave and go to the place that will sell me tacos. If Steve is pushy about me getting a burger, I'll probably be even more annoyed if I really, really wanted a taco. And if Steve did convince me to get a burger, I certainly wouldn't want someone to be offended on my behalf. Still my decision at the end of the day.
You'd be doing it wrong. The State Apparatus must be involved in everything.
this is sad
Well, let's compare the Team Blue letter and the Team Red letter, shall we?
What is the core demand of the Team Blue letter?
So they want Google to answer these three questions. Also they are NOT demanding that Google remove CPCs from search results entirely, only asking if CPCs will be included in search results for "abortion pill" and the like.
Now, here is from the Team Red letter. What is their core demand?
Wow. That is a lot more threatening. They are outright stating that if Google does what Team Blue wants them to do, that they will be investigated for anti-trust violations.
So just to review:
Team Blue: We demand answers to these three questions.
Team Red: If you do what they want, we will investigate you for anti-trust violations.
Which is more threatening? Hmm?
Tell me, how would teams red and blue respond if Google answered the questions like this?
1. Nothing.
2. No.
3. Nothing. Eat a dick.
Here, Google answers the questions. Now according to your absurd framing, Team Red was only objecting to them answering the questions! So Surely they'll follow through on their threats to pursue heavy-handed anti-trust!
This is a bit more accurate:
Team Blue: Nice place you got here. It would be a shame if something happened to it.
Team Red: If you do what they are implying, this specific thing will happen to your nice place.
So then clearly we need to vote Libertarian, if we want ANYTHING like private property rights!
Who will get 1A repealed by mobster Gov-Gun Power????
I don't know; but apparently it's a bipartisan effort.
No, it's not. RTFA.
The GOP position ends up being more friendly to free speech in a nominal sense, but risks—as in the case of recent Texas and Florida social media laws—swinging so far toward the free speech side that it perversely becomes anti-speech.
This is a rather bullshit assessment of ''risk" here. Florida and Texas have already passed that legislation and courts have enjoined both. So that everyone is heading to the SC to decide whether the R majority of judges there favor property interests over 1A interests when R legislators in Florida, Texas, Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and New Hampshire have already introduced the legislation to constrain property interests. That leaves Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Louisiana, and Arkansas - which have merely not YET introduced said legislation.
The only 'risk' here is whether the R's acquire power or not. And whether libertarians of the big-L or small-l variety decide that the best way to eliminate 1A protections is by privatizing government functions.
Missing from the debate is the fact that Google is not the only search engine. It's not even the best one. I use the MetaGer, SearXNG, and Brave search engines. They produce good results, they don't track you or log your IP adress, they don't censor or down-rank their searches. Haven't used any Google product in several years and don't miss them, there are alternatives.