Parents of Michigan School Shooter Appeal Manslaughter Charge
Plus: The emptiness of "national conservatism," anti-tech antitrust antics, and more...

Should parents be held legally liable if their child shoots people? That's the question at the center of a Michigan case straight out of the Law & Order franchise. The case stems from a 2021 mass shooting at Oxford High School, in which Ethan Crumbley killed four people. Crumbley's parents, James and Jennifer, were charged with involuntary manslaughter. "The Crumbleys are the first parents in America to be charged in a mass school shooting," notes the Detroit Free Press.
Now, James and Jennifer Crumbley have appealed to the Michigan Court of Appeals. They suggest that the state has no legal ground on which to bring such charges and is trying to change gun policy through criminal charges rather than through legislation.
"The desire to hold someone accountable for the tragedy that occurred at Oxford High School on November 30, 2021, is certainly understandable, but 'the temptation to stretch the law to fit the evil is an ancient one, and it must be resisted,'" states their appeal, filed on Monday. "There can be little doubt that the charges against Mr. and Mrs. Crumbley … are borne out of a desire to hold persons accountable for criminal acts, where no legal justification exists to do so. However, to extend the law in such a way involves important policy decisions of broad social consequences, reaching far beyond this single case. Such a task, then, should be resolved through the legislative process, and not judicial innovation."
The state argues James and Jennifer Crumbley are partly responsible for the shooting because they bought him the handgun he used, failed to tell the school about the gun, and allegedly failed to adequately address Ethan's mental health issues.
The Crumbleys say they kept the gun they bought the son in a secure place and couldn't know his mental health problems would lead him to commit a horrific crime.
Should the case against the Crumbley parents be allowed to proceed, it would set a dangerous precedent. Maybe most parents of teen shooters don't purchase the guns their kids use, but most could probably be accused after the fact of not adequately tending to the child's mental health—when things go wrong, there's frequently a tendency to assume someone could have done more. And if this stands, it's probably not long before the rationale extends beyond school shootings to other scenarios where troubled teens commit crimes. But the sad reality is that in many cases, there's not a lot that parents could do. And punishing parents for the criminal acts of their children may only lead to innocent people being wronged and law enforcement resources being wasted.
In their appeal, the Crumbleys' defense cites a 1961 Michigan Supreme Court decision involving "a man who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving his car keys to a drunk man who got into a car accident that night, killing himself and another motorist," notes the Free Press. "The Supreme Court ended up vacating that conviction, concluding the man who handed over his keys was not guilty of involuntary manslaughter because he was not present when the accident happened, nor did he counsel the driver in the killing or take part in it."
If convicted, James and Jennifer Crumbley could be sentenced to up to 15 years in prison. Their trial is slated to start in October. Ethan Crumbley's trial is scheduled for January 2023.
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The National Interest explores "the poverty of national conservatism":
On the domestic level, the National Conservative statement devotes considerable space to emphasizing the need to reaffirm institutions like the traditional family and religion. It's not hard to find conservatives who believe that these were neglected by those elements of the American Right that prioritized liberty. Here, national conservatives have some neoconservatives but above all libertarians, particularly the left-leaning variety, in mind.
Beyond these broad emphases, however, nailing down the content of national conservatism has not been easy. It's one thing to state that you want to reaffirm national sovereignty. What, however, does that mean in practice beyond, say, enforcing un-enforced border laws or putting supranational institutions like the European Union and outfits like the World Economic Forum firmly in their place?
Similarly, simply saying that you desire to bolster traditional families or protect religious communities from aggressive progressives doesn't tell us much about how you intend to do it. Holding congressional hearings into how America ended up with schools and libraries hosting weekly drag-queen hours won't strike many people as necessarily leading to very much by way of concrete action.
FREE MARKETS
"Businesses are competitive" should not be news. In fact, it's the goal of all sorts of businesses to out-compete similarly situated companies. Yet for some reason, when big tech companies do it, everyone freaks out. The idea that companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, and Meta try to boost their own products over those of their competitors has been—and continues to be—the subject of ample criticism from politicians and the media.
The House Judiciary Committee investigating these companies for possible antitrust violations recently provided documents from its 2020 investigation to Politico, which reports that "the documents bolster the committee's claims that the internet giants illegally favor their own products, a practice that pending legislation to update antitrust laws would make more difficult."
It's not illegal for tech companies to merely favor their own products—like promoting Amazon-brand products higher in search results or pre-installing Google Chrome browsers on Google-owned Android phones—in the same way that it's not illegal for supermarkets to place store-brand products on the best shelves, or for magazines to choose not to accept advertisements for rival magazines, or for movie theaters to prohibit people from bringing in their own food and drinks. But some lawmakers want to make it illegal for large tech companies to do so.
QUICK HITS
267-157, House approves bill to codify same-sex marriage. Forty-seven Republicans voted for it. All NO votes were Republicans.
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) July 19, 2022
• Legislation under the same name has been introduced in previous congresses (beginning in 2009) but never gone up for a full House vote. More on the current House bill here; companion bill in the Senate here.
• It may be too late to contain the monkeypox virus that's spreading throughout the world. In the nine weeks since several cases were first detected in the U.K., "the number of cases has mushroomed to nearly 13,000 in over 60 countries throughout Europe, North and South America, the Middle East, new parts of Africa, South Asia, and Australia," reports STAT.
• Sixteen Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Presley (Mass.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Cori Bush (Mo.) were arrested along with other abortion rights protesters outside of the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday.
• Repeated lockdowns and security alerts in Uvalde—"nearly 50 between February and May alone," reports the Associated Press—contributed to a "diminished sense of vigilance" that may have made the shooting at Robb Elementary School worse, says the Texas House of Representatives in a new report. In South Texas, lockdowns are often called when federal or state police are chasing migrants trying to cross the border.
• We could use a reinvigorated skeptic movement, suggests Freddie deBoer. "The dimming of the light of generalist skepticism seemed to contribute to the ever-metastasizing cultural tumor of woo woo and irrationality."
• Not everything is a national emergency.
• But of course:
1.) Republican congressman calls for increased government spending on defense.
2.) Same congressman invests his money in the stock of two leading defense contractors. https://t.co/2EA5EmB22s
— Dave Levinthal (@davelevinthal) July 18, 2022
• Ohio's Supreme Court has rejected the state's congressional map. "The previously submitted maps did not stand up to anti-gerrymandering provisions in the state Constitution," notes NBC News. The "court held in a 4-3 decision that the proposed redistricting plan 'unduly favors the Republican Party and disfavors the Democratic Party.'"
• "One armed man at an Indiana Mall offered better protection than 376 cops in Uvalde," writes J.D. Tuccille.
• "The Idaho Republican Party on Saturday amended its platform to oppose abortion in all instances, including as a life-saving procedure for a pregnant woman," writes Emma Camp.
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Should parents be held legally liable if their child shoots people?
The criminal justice system demands to be fed.
In school, the child is in loco parentis. School administrators are just as culpable.
I've seen stories about schools who use this to punish 18 year old's who parked off campus. If they can selectively use in loco parentis to punish a student, they should own it when it's their asses on the line.
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“The Crumbleys say they kept the gun they bought the son in a secure place…”
Apparently not.
All signs point to "no".
...failed to tell the school about the gun...
What.
Yep, mission creep on steroids.
Schools are registering firearms now? I missed that news somehow.
I see in California one lawmaker wants to make it a requirement of school enrollment that the parents must tell the school about all their guns and storage methods. it is none of their business
I've also heard of pediatricians asking about that.
I think that was a CDC recommended thing. Or was it Obamacare? One of the irrelevant laws and agencies introduced that.
Thing is, I can think of 20 reasons why I don't want people to know my firearms status. Ranging from not wanting them to know I have none to not wanting them to know what they might be walking in to to not wanting to be a target for thieves who would target me for burglary to try and steal a gun.
Why the fuck would I tell anyone what I have, where I have it, how it's stored...? Might as well say "the safe is behind the picaso and the combination is..." to the jewel thieves in a heist movie.
Only Marxist subversives are asking about parent’s guns.
So, pretty much all Democrats, and those "independents" who usually vote (D)?
I don’t think all of those people are doing that. Mostly the progs.
School: your kid presents as if he is a homicidal mass shooter
Parents: Nah... means, motive, opportunity, can't be.
[dad to mom as an aside: do you think if we give him another gun he will stop these delusions? BTW where is that first gun.]
It's not hard to find conservatives who believe that these were neglected by those elements of the American Right that prioritized liberty.
OMG
ENB sees this as odd because she can't find anyone in her circle that prioritizes liberty over progressive dogma.
I love the part towards the bottom about how congressional hearings held by conservatives don't accomplish anything.
It's true, but here we have congressional hearings held by the Marxists that are accomplishing exactly what political show trials AR suppose to acomplish
It helps when you violate senate rules to give no rights to witnesses.
The language in that article is a hell of a throwback to the "what's the point in resisting the left, it's just so devisive!" canards from the 1990s-2000s.
Bingo!
https://summit.news/2022/07/20/biden-transport-secretary-again-says-pain-of-high-gas-prices-is-a-benefit/
During a congressional hearing, Buttigieg said that “the more pain” Americans experience from high gas prices, the more “benefit” there is “for those who can access electric vehicles.”
#OBL's 1st law. Democrats are the party of the rich and feign concern for the little guy to get votes.
Smug.
You left out "little bitch".
There was a story this week of a family buying an EV for their 16 year old. 14k for a used EV w 60kish miles. After 6 months the car stopped working. It was the battery. They were told 14k to replace the battery. Difficulty. There were no replacement batteries being made.
If it's "only" $14 K to replace the battery, I can't imagine replacement EV batteries won't become an industry. $30 K for an electric vehicle is still like half the typical price new.
Why compare used EV to new ICE vehicle?
And with the number of different types of batteries and the number probably needed for each, you're being a bit wishful with a secondary industry.
I can see it now tv shows on how to convert your Ev to ICE. i think someone already did that to a telsa
The Fisker Karma conversion has been done.
if the parents were that concerned about the emissions and wanted a safer bet, a CPO (or new) prius would have been a much better bet. Thing barely uses any gas, much more cost effective (being that its for a kid)
Saying the quiet part out loud.
They just conveniently brush aside the part where we don't have the capacity to make that many electric cars. I saw a report yesterday that pegged EV's as 5% of the new vehicle market. Where do they plan on sourcing 20x as much lithium plus all the other rare earths in the next few years? Markets go apeshit when there's a minor shortage, imagine what being 20x short will do to things.
War?
Good idea. That way the assholes can claim that it was attained carbon-free because of war or putin or something something.
Parents responsible for their children? Get woke: no good person is responsible for anything!
Apparently reason is eating Just the News links again. But if you head over there they received a memo showing trump had in fact ordered declassification of trump Russia hoax materials and the government refused to process the legal order.
Beat me to it.
Posted link to a tweet with that link below
You're right. They do the weirdest censorship attempts here.
Where there's a will there's a way, though.
justthenews(dot)com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/mystery-solved-doj-secretly-thwarted-release-russia
"In the final hours of the Trump presidency, the U.S. Justice Department raised privacy concerns to thwart the release of hundreds of pages of documents that Donald Trump had declassified to expose FBI abuses during the Russia collusion probe, and the agency then defied a subsequent order to release the materials after redactions were made, according to interviews and documents."
That seems a tad treason-y...
It is. The US had a military coup and not a single progressive cared
Because it benefited them.
They cared. They were cheering it on.
It began under Obama with the purging of conservative officers.
I mean the left was still defending federal employment from "political firings" even with openly and loudly forming the Resistance.
Holding congressional hearings into how America ended up with schools and libraries hosting weekly drag-queen hours won't strike many people as necessarily leading to very much by way of concrete action.
If all this was leading to action on school choice, it would be worthwhile. But, of course, it isn't.
How dare they focus these hearings to show that the stuff we're told hasn't happened, has actually happened!
It's still a local question ultimately. Arizona recently passed the most aggressive school choice legislation in the nation though, and so I'm starting to feel hope again.
But once Newsom is president, he will order massive relocations from California to Arizona, in order to fortify democracy.
The official title will likely have changed to Emperor by then.
Adults. In. Charge.
Respect for the office!
Muh norms!
https://summit.news/2022/07/19/place-where-biden-face-planted-off-bike-is-named-brandon-falls-on-google-maps/
As we highlighted yesterday, people at Brandon Falls and beyond are reenacting the historical moment and labelling it #bidening or #BidenBikeChallenge
One year ago yesterday Biden and the white house claimed no serious economist was predicting inflation.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/07/19/one-year-ago-today-biden-claimed-no-serious-economist-was-predicting-high-inflation-n1614009
HAPERINFLATION!!!!!!!!
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
What about Larry Summers, OBL? He called it, and aren't his uber-lib credentials impeccable?
… no serious economist was predicting inflation.
None of them use spittin tobaccy.
Economics is not a science.
The only hits had about Asimov's Foundation series was the elevation of psychology and social science as a predictive tool to force societal changes. Great series. But too much faith on the pseudo science. Same is true of economics largely.
The idea that companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, and Meta try to boost their own products over those of their competitors has been—and continues to be—the subject of ample criticism from politicians and the media.
We're all communists now.
What is it called when Apple Google facebook and Twitter collude to get rid of the competition?
#resist parlor
What is it called when Apple Google facebook and Twitter collude to get rid of the competition?
Our Democracy.
But thur PRIVUT CUMPNEES!
"The idea that companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, and Meta try to boost their own products over those of their competitors has been—and continues to be—the subject of ample criticism from politicians and the media."
Um, striving and besting others, whether businesses or people, defies equity. All good socialist system are based on the premise that we all deserve the same, and trying hard will disrupt the system.
AOC was 'handcuffed' wearing a long heavy coat. So much for
global warmingclimate emergancy.I can't believe AOC and Omar faked being handcuffed, what a pair of clowns. Omar pretended to be cuffed and perpwalked with nary an officer in sight.
Imagine what TeenReason's reaction would have been if Cruz and Hawley pretended to be handcuffed and arrested in some pro-life publicity stunt.
CULTURAL APPROPRIATION
They subsequently took photos with the officers. The whole affair was what the kids call "cringe."
The fact that it is getting this much media attention should embarrass everyone who calls themselves a "journalist."
Look at the photo ABC used to "report"
Surprise, surprise!
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1549477672287457280?t=ZJhvPuKEaYjRLeoeZUgTLg&s=19
JUST IN: Reps. Ocasio-Cortez, Omar and other House Democrats arrested in abortion rights protest at the Supreme Court.
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And it's of course no surprise that Reason lies by saying they were arrested.
They were not arrested, they were escorted off the road.
Reason is completely untrustworthy.
Capitol Police say they were.
https://twitter.com/CapitolPolice/status/1549477982187700227
Capitol Police are lying scum
AOC and Ohmar more than likely set the whole thing up with the police in the first place since they have refused to stop anyone as of yet from illegally protesting at Justices homes
Yeah, in the video footage, all you see is the cop kind of waving them forward while they walk with their hands behind their backs.
We made a total of 35 arrests...That arrest number includes 17 Members of Congress
Wow, that's quite a ratio.
It was a 50 dollar citation. Not an arrest. A parking ticket is not an arrest.
Saul Alinsky lives!
This was an insurrection. I'm literally shaking.
How else can we achieve political purity?
That was weird. A double post, with the second one to the wrong comment.
But maybe it works here, too.
"267-157, House approves bill to codify same-sex marriage. Forty-seven Republicans voted for it. All NO votes were Republicans."
Nothing exemplifies TeenReason 'libertarianism' like codifying social behavior in law.
I was hoping for some sort of comment about lockstep Democrats and differentiated Republicans. But was expecting nothing.
Any party line vote stinks.
Of 1 gop member votes yes it is bipartisan.
If all but 1 dem votes yes on a republican backed bill, it's Republicans pounce
Manchin thwarted the majority!!!
According to Bernie, Manchin and Sinema have been thwarting the will of 96% of the senate.
Still not seeing where Congress has any authority on marriage.
You have tonforget everything you learned regarding civics since 5th grade. Then you will see it.
this also helps with pretty much every other federal law on the books.
How about federal overreach?
Gay Marriage getting codified into Federal Law and abortion being relegated to state law should make the cocktail parties much more interesting.
Damn gaytriarchy!
They could have done what SCOTUS should have done and gotten the government out of marriage and let partners decide on what kind of contract they want to define their relationship. Instead they just enshrined dudes paying alimony to dudes into law.
That would be fine. But as it is, married heterosexuals are automatically afforded privileges that if homosexuals were not allowed to marry, they would not enjoy. If a husband dies with no will, the wife automatically inherits and vice versa. If one half of a lesbian couple or gay couple (unmarried) dies with no will, they don't. So if homosexuals are deemed legally not married, time to make married heterosexuals have to draw up contracts through lawyers, etc.
let partners decide on what kind of contract they want to define their relationship
Next time maybe you could respond to what I actually wrote. I clearly stated that everyone should have the right to define their relationship contract instead of having to defer to labyrinthine state rules.
How does it work with a long time hetero partner not married? Is it auto inheritance or do we have the same issue as you mention above?
I believe it depends on the state's common-law rules, but generally the estate goes to next of kin such as children or parents.
Poor financial planning shouldn't even be a government concern.
I mostly agree with this, but the legal system needs a default rule for what happens when people fail to make such a contract or where the contract is silent on a particular issue. Marriage accomplished this in the sense that it was, at it's core, a prepackaged set of rules that the couple received by virtue of marriage, and common law being what it is, it generally reflected most people's preferred outcomes. Thanks to the pre-nup, anyone who wanted a different outcome could then opt-out.
I think the government should not be in the marriage business, but I think it does need a default set of rules for the human tendency to couple-off. Civil unions should accomplish this. Marriage is a religious thing and should be separate. People who want to get married or not get married can take it up with whatever church or whatever that they belong to.
With all that said, the federal government has zero authority with respect to marriage and need to stay the hell out. It's emphatically a state law issue.
If you have enough time to go through a legal marriage process you have enough time to create a will.
That's true. All I'm saying is that the law needs to address the reality that some people don't.
Umm...
Marriage accomplished this in the sense that it was, at it's core, a prepackaged set of rules that the couple received by virtue of marriage
Couldn't some enterprising legal firm start offering template marriage contracts, LegalZoom style?
I think the government should not be in the marriage business, but I think it does need a default set of rules for the human tendency to couple-off.
In lieu of a marriage license, which in worthless in that it explains nothing that you are agreeing to, have the couple file a marriage contract with the county just like we always have for deeds of property. And, yes, there would be many legal sites willing to host a variety of documents to download.
...House approves bill to codify same-sex marriage.
Imagine if they started doing this for rights from government interference rather than just entitlements for government goodies.
A review of the "conservatives" who generated the no election fraud report last week. They in fact ignored all the trials showing illegal election rule changes. The report was filled with never trumpers and others who work for liberal legal groups.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/19/nevertrumps-latest-attempt-to-dismiss-election-concerns-is-particularly-dishonest/
Lincoln Project pedos earning their Soros Bucks.
Those are the kind of republicans Shrike can get behind.
You should head over to Volokh Conspiracy and read what Somin is writing about it.
"Illegal" election rule changes are not fraudulent unless you can show that the people who were able to vote as a result were otherwise ineligible. No-one has been able to show that.
Meanwhile, 60+ lawsuite, 1 victory...
Are you getting treatment for your TDS, asshole?
False.
Well thats a silly assertion.
There were more than 3000 double voters in GA.
Was that fraud? Did someone fraudulently mail in their ballots. Or did they fraudulently show up in person to vote a 2nd time?
If someone votes intentionally in the wrong district is that fraud?
There are reasons rules and voting laws exist. Violating those rules are in fact fraudulent.
Lying on a bank loan is fraudulent.
The "broken water main" in Fulton was certainly a fraud...
And 1 victory? Lol. 2 dozen direct and more since. I can count 2 or 3 in Wisconsin alone.
They don’t know. He just follows whatever in his talking points that his masters email him.
...the number of cases has mushroomed to nearly 13,000...
In a world of 7,700,000,000. Time to lock down.
Has Covid fallen out of favor?
The Ukrainian flag sees where this is heading.
Current thing!
Awesome handle.
Wow, I must live in your head rent-free.
Free? Someone has to pay that $0.50.
Nobody said it had anything to do with you.
Narcissistic ass.
Well, except for the handle on the account.
No, you are constantly mocked. There is a difference.
Haha you’re a child groomer.
No, you live in your Mom's basement rent free
He has to. He can no longer climb the stairs. Even if he could, he wouldn’t fit through the doorway. I suspect his real name is something along the lines of ‘Humphrey’. Doesn’t he seem like a ‘Humphrey’? All smug, full of his own shit, sanctimonious, tedious, and sea lioning fat ass.
Isn't the Wuhan lab working on the monkeypox virus? Quite the coincidence.
I think they're doing monkeypox in Lviv
How does this story relate to gay marriage?
"mushroomed"
purposeful word choice being that mushroom stamps are the way 25% of cases are spread
"mushroomed"
Because it grows in moist and dark places where it can feed on poop? Gross!
But it mushroomed. You know, like Hiroshima. Scary.
If you are not a sexually active gay man, you don't need to sweat Monkeypox.
We are all getting screwed by Uncle Sam.
Still can't figure out why Reason is ignoring the green war on society that has led to protests and economic collapses on Ghana, sri lanka, and the Netherlands. Policies decreasing global food supplies. The same war being raged in the US.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/07/20/the-democrats-green-war-on-the-working-class/
If everyone else is starving, just think how good that steak will taste at the French laundry.
Let them eat lamb.
Because Reason is a tool enthusiastic to be used by the totalitarian globalist establishment...
Reason Magazine: you will own nothing
But look on the Reason bright side. Open borders means lots of interesting new room mates, legal weed means you will not care, and ass sex--well, that's up to you (for now).
Park Slope Welchie Boy don't give a flying fuck about Klaus Schwaub's bullshit.
Except for when it interferes with his (probably adopted) kids' school schedule.
When that happens, he starts whining about it like a little bitch.
And yet, he never gets mad enough about it to even consider relocating to a less far left totalitarian jurisdiction.
Draw your own conclusions.
My wife is a lefty, she just realized that calis prop 12 impacted food prices
bless her heart I'm sure she means well.
So when someone says "Fuck the left" you take it literally?
Yes
The greens in the EU decimating their own food and energy in the name of failed green policy is and should be the story of the year.
Maybe when the full on starvation and freezing deaths hit this winter itll merit some coverage.
Of course the repeated line will be "none of our absolute top energy and economic experts saw this was coming!"
Fortunately for Europeans, Russia is still playing nice.
Nicer than the Europeans' own government officials...
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/putin-says-russia-will-honor-gas-commitment-flows-will-drop-much-20-capacity
Europe is determined to commit economic suicide by whatever means necessary.
Gotta gut that middle class somehow
I’m always willing to accept any refugees that are hot young women. Hot twins are a plus.
Putin's NordStream Pipeline is about as "nice" as the Kiddie Cachher in Chitty-Chitty! Bang-Bang! And for the same reason! He wouldn't be so "nice" to Europe if those nations started drilling their own crude.
And they'll be telling the truth.
They'll probably blame it on Climate Change.
Of course the repeated line will be "It's Putin's fault!"
You would think the Dutch would understand that windmills don't turn when things are icy. All that power from off-shore wind will not be available when they need it most.
Global warming will prevent the windmills from icing.
That got a genuine chuckle out of me.
It's a local story.
Heard someone commenting on this quoting a Dutch official justifying their policy by saying that agriculture is not essential. The Netherlands can count on their food being grown somewhere else. The leadership of the West is mad, stupid or both.
Evil
^This.
Evil does not preclude stupid or mad.
This kind of evil requires large helpings of both.
ixteen Democratic lawmakers...were arrested along with other abortion rights protesters outside of the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday.
Insurrec-
Sigh.
I don't think they were actually arrested. I think they were just ushered out of the middle of the street while pretending to be handcuffed
They were spiritually handcuffed, you racist. They weren't pretending, they were representing the handcuffs on their hearts.
If they were arrested, where's the booking photos? What jail were they taken to? Was bail set or were they released on their own recognizance? How long did the processing tale? No, they weren't arrested. They were blocking traffic, once they stopped blocking traffic they were let go. Probably not even a citation.
"once they stopped blocking traffic they were let go. Probably not even a citation."
Important if true - govt literally not caring about safe streets.
Get a permit if you want to march on public streets. That gives advance notice to people who need to rearrange their driving, and in general promotes the rule of law they're trying to undermine.
So is this Fake News or Disinformation?
It is yet another example in an endless string of Reason outright lying to readers
Members of Congress can't be arrested in DC.
Hmmm...so is blocking streets a breach of the peace?
LOL! For a Democrat?
Next he will ask if arson is a breach of peace.
Arson by the left is speech (and the protected kind, too). Speech by the right, especially mean tweets, is murderous violence--at least according to the left.
they weren't in "session" that is key unless they want to claim they were having an outdoor session due to covid which they did not do so they can be arrested. And yes protesting on the streets is a breach of peace if walking in the capitol is insurrection
They were is session on Monday. And they are immune to arrest until they go home.
Democrats.
The party of show trials, show 'outrage', and show 'arrests'
Hey. If they identify as being handcuffed, you have to accept that as the truth.
Arrested for bravely blocking traffic. Intentionally trying to get themselves arrested for the publicity. And it's working, since we're talking about it.
Seriously, the House was in session on Monday. If they have not yet returned home, these assholes literally cannot be arrested. It would be a violation of the Constitution, of which the DC cops are aware.
It was a publicity stunt and ENB is complicit in their propaganda. I guarantee that cunt knows they can't be arrested. Reason has done articles before on Members getting pulled over doing 30 miles over the speed limit and telling the cops to pound sand.
“ENB is complicit in their propaganda.”
It’s a day ending in “Y”.
Repeated lockdowns and security alerts in Uvalde...contributed to a "diminished sense of vigilance...
I mean, there was gunfire and there were 911 calls. That's not what crying wolf sounds like.
What Reason fails to mention is that those "repeated lockdowns and security alerts" were due to frequent incidents of illegal aliens fleeing police/BP and often crashing their cars on or near school property
We could use a reinvigorated skeptic movement...
NO, NOT OF THINGS THAT ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. AGAINST OTHER THINGS.
The problem with skepticism is it leads to distrust in important libertarian institutions like the NSA and FDA.
The whole reason why Covid was able to kill a billion people was because conservatives refused to place their trust in the WHO and devoted public servants like Fauci.
You called?
"It may be too late to contain the monkeypox virus that's spreading throughout the world."
Whatever you do, do NOT blame cis gay men and their legendary promiscuity. Find a Republican politician to blame, like my professors did when they told me AIDS was Reagan's fault. Monkeypox, like covid, should be blamed on Drumpf and #DeathSantis.
#LGBTQIA+
People still blame Reagan even though Fauci was in charge then as well. and in Reality at the time the only thing we knew was to not have promiscuous sex and thats what Reagan said. but its still Reagans fault for not personally putting condoms on faggots
One thing to say about Tony: he is consistent.
They better wish well, they only get three with the monkeypox.
Not everything is a national emergency.
Everything is a power grab.
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1549739469615538176?t=HwAmOA1R_D2r0KrrBD-BhA&s=19
Mystery solved: DOJ secretly thwarted release of Russia documents declassified by Trump
[Link]
#RESIST
The Department of Justice has a right to ignore executive and court orders if it might lead to public embarrassment for the FBI and important Democrats and RINOs.
Complete trust in government officials and systems is an important part of my libertarianism.
The funny part is, I never actually advocate that position. But there are plenty right-wing libertarians around here who will go out of their way to excuse and deflect for Team Red if there is any story critical of them. Just see below as one small example of this.
So that person using the "chemjeff radical individualist" handle that spent 5 years humping the leg of every Trump-Russia collusion hoax and insisting that anyone questioning the authority and veracity of the FBI, NSA, CIA, State Department and DoJ were Russian intelligence assets was your evil twin?
The only way to tell "radical individualist" apart from "child castrationist" is the latter is far more honest
So that person using the "chemjeff radical individualist" handle that spent 5 years humping the leg of every Trump-Russia collusion hoax and insisting that anyone questioning the authority and veracity of the FBI, NSA, CIA, State Department and DoJ were Russian intelligence assets was your evil twin?
That person exists only in your mind.
And in innumerable comments here.
For months you've advocated the expertise of teachers over the rights of parents. And yes, you've often defended the deep state and those actors in The Resistance. I mean you said the Capitol Police could shoot trespassers. I don't think it gets worse than that.
For months you've advocated the expertise of teachers over the rights of parents.
I've advocated for respecting the professional expertise of teachers, unlike you, who thinks teachers are idiots and wants to treat them like garbage.
And yes, you've often defended the deep state and those actors in The Resistance.
I've defended actions that I thought were correct, and criticized actions that I thought were incorrect. Unlike you, I don't think in terms of tribes, I evaluate actions. Just because someone in the "deep state" does something doesn't necessarily mean that action is incorrect, and just because someone opposing the "deep state" does something doesn't necessarily mean that action is right. Get it? I know it can be a difficult way to think - judging people as individuals, not merely as members of some tribe - but I am confident you can do it if you try.
I mean you said the Capitol Police could shoot trespassers
I defended the Castle Doctrine. Are you opposed to the Castle Doctrine now?
"I defended the Castle Doctrine. Are you opposed to the Castle Doctrine now?"
That does not qualify under the castle doctrine.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/castle_doctrine
It is the same concept as the Castle Doctrine. That is what I am defending. An officer who, in the current capacity, is using deadly force to defend himself, defend others, and defend property.
Jesse is being a disingenuous twat when he claims that this position is the same as "imposing capital punishment on trespassers". No it is not.
It's not the same concept as the castle doctrine, or even similar at all.
The fat fuck thinks Plan B is an abortifacient, so it's not a surprise he doesn't understand how the Castle Doctrine works, either.
Want me to post it again? You didn't mention castle doctrine once until today.
chemjeff radical individualist
February.9.2021 at 8:56 am
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What is there to talk about?
From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.
They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren't supposed to be.
Nothing about defending property or people in that comment. Ot was about people not being where they should.
Keep doubling down buddy.
Damn Lying Jeffy, caught red handed lying. Again.
Pretty sure chemjeff said that reposting his comments as hard evidence that he's lying, is a form of "trolling".
Also youre the same leftist who was outraged cops were using unmarked vans to arrest BLM rioters lol.
You are, of course, the usual right-wing shill who has no problem with the state using unidentified cops to throw bystanders, who were blocks away from any rioting and who may or may not have participated in any rioting at all, into unmarked vans and driving them to some unknown location. I remember that summer. You were defending all sorts of authoritarian shit because it was affecting the people you hate. Because your brain can only think in simplistic tribalistic terms.
The cops had badge numbers dumbass.
They don't have names because activists were targeting their homes and family. The department can still identify them.
Are you that retarded?
Yes we know Jesse. The authoritarian shit was justified because it affected the right people.
The Democratic Party shill is only left with squealing accusations of "tribalism" again, Jesse. That was quite a beatdown.
Arresting people who tried to burn down a building with people inside is authoritarian.
— Lying Jeffy
Not true. I've mentioned it several times.
Note how I say "from a libertarian perspective"? That IS the libertarian rationale for shooting trespassers - in defense of one's self, other innocents, or the property itself. It is the same rationale as self-defense. It is the same rationale as the Castle Doctrine.
You are the one who disingenuously claim that it is some type of capital punishment. It is not. It is about self-defense or, in this case, defense of others and defense of property.
Cite?
Let's see, is this the moment where I pull out the Jesse quote where he says "I only ask for cites in order to troll you"?
So no cite. I provided mine above.
You know the statement you just lied about. So why wouldn't you lie again?
Sealioning only goes one way, Jesse.
Jeff's allowed to to demand all the citations in the world for basic information easily found elsewhere, but if you ask him then you're "trolling".
Hahaha autist
I've advocated for respecting the professional expertise of teachers, unlike you, who thinks teachers are idiots and wants to treat them like garbage.
For such a "radical individualist," you sure love appealing to authority.
And professional expertise despite declining test scores is hilarious. Add the below average college entrance exams, focus on leftist causes, etc and anyone declaring them an expert is hilarious.
"Teachers aren't experts because they vote for Democrats"
brilliant take there pal
WTF? That’s not what he said at all. So dishonest.
Hey, don't let the results get in the way of defending your lefty boos, fat boy.
That was my entire comment huh?
That's two true statements wrapped up into one.
You know who actually has "declining test scores" and "below average college entrance exams"? Plumbers, electricians, factory workers, typical blue collar types. Because a lot of them didn't even go to college, or couldn't even if they wanted to. But of course Jesse doesn't throw them under the bus, because they are (now) a part of his tribe, Trump voters. So spare me this nonsense. You shit on teachers because they don't support your causes, regardless of their test scores. It is like everything else you do - think only in terms of tribes, and those outside of your tribe are not just wrong, but dehumanized pieces of filth.
We can have shitty people declared experts at their jobs because hey we need plumbers too!
Lol.
Yes we know Jesse.
When people vote for Team Blue, then it's time to call into question their credentials and their competence.
When people vote for Team Red, then credentials don't matter and it's an intolerable slander to even bring them up.
Again, that's not what he said, Jeff.
Why do you have a to lie about absolutely everything?
Lying Jeffy keeps lying about what Jesse says, surprising no one.
Hey Lying Jeffy, you realize people can read what Jesse wrote, right?
You know who actually has "declining test scores" and "below average college entrance exams"? Plumbers, electricians, factory workers, typical blue collar types. Because a lot of them didn't even go to college, or couldn't even if they wanted to.
You know what the percentage of college students needing remedial math and English classes is? Between 40-60%, depending on whether they go to community college or a 4-year uni.
That means, in a given year, about HALF of all college students starting school can't even do basic shit at an 8th-grade level, which is the minimum for what these classes are supposed to cover. This is the consequence of introducing neo-Marxist influenced pedagogies in to schools the last 50 years, which accelerated starting in the 1990s, and democratizing college education.
That you actually think citing entrance scores is some kind of win here shows how fucking ignorant you are about anything in the real world, as you've demonstrated repeatedly here.
Um, but if my plumber or electron decides to completely modify my house utilities without my permission, and even when they know my preference, at the least I can fire them. At the most I can sue them, and perhaps have their licenses revoked.
Lol. The castle doctrine is how you've retreated for public buildings. Hilarious.
Wow, you’re unbelievable. You’re basically accusing the commentariat of doing what you do every day here. Typical Humphrey.
I see what you did there
1.) Republican congressman calls for increased government spending on defense.
2.) Same congressman invests his money in the stock of two leading defense contractors.
Nobody works for free.
Learned it all from pelosi.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-abc-cbs-nbc-ignore-pelosis-husband-buying-over-1-million-computer-chip-stock-ahead-vote
And so does Reason.
It's funny how Reason can never seem to find these things when they implicate Democrats.
Like Pelosi spiking the bill to regulate Visa and MasterCard right after taking a multimillion dollar state in Visa?
Or like 80% of congress having stock in Pfizer while they were mandating that the government purchase several hundreds of billions of dollars worth of untested Pfizer drugs in the largest wealth transfer ever recorder in the history of humanity?
But Congressmen are PRIVUT CUMPNEES!
Nancy Pelosi's holdings:
https://twitter.com/PelosiTracker_/status/1546691156842627073?s=20&t=I_4WtAhvM8TDTq03mZqOyw
She bought most of that Tesla stock a day before Biden signed an executive order demanding all government agencies buy electric.
Meanwhile the Dems went ape shit when Trump owned $400 worth of the drug company that makes Hydroxychloroquine through a mutual fund. Claimed he was enriching himself.
The National Interest explores "the poverty of national conservatism":
Pro family away are bad because reasons.
The highest correlating factor for youth poverty is single family households. This has held true since the 50s. Moynihan called this out for the African American community then and the decrease in family households in their culture. The same trends are seen in all other cultures since.
Why is this fact now bad?
Single parent households *
Still waiting on Reason to review HBO’s The Anarchists.
Talk about a poverty of ideas
The tankies are super offended by it.
"AnCaPs ArEn'T rEaL aNaRcHiSts!"
"Why is this fact now bad?"
Because anything bad that happens to Black people can only be the result of white supremacy. Blaming their problems on their own behavior is racist.
Because the nuclear family is white supremacy culture, doncha know.
Yeah this has Ben pointed out for at least a century
Margaret Sanger suggested a solution.
Don't let the darkies reproduce?
She was explicit about that.
It's not bad to point this out. The question is, to what degree should the government use its powers to favor or disfavor specific types of household arrangements?
Much less than it does now by incentivizing single motherhood
The government already favors single parent households dummy. Through the welfare state.
The government also favors married households through the tax code.
So, should government be favoring either type of household arrangement?
Nope. And I've never advocated for either. You have defended the welfare state.
He’s gotten so desperate for a gotcha. I bet he lies awake at night seething about it.
Humphrey loves big government.
Well, yes, if they are going to favor anything, it should be the arrangement that is best for raising children
The "court held in a 4-3 decision that the proposed redistricting plan 'unduly favors the Republican Party and disfavors the Democratic Party.'"
Nothing can save them now.
Quick. Violate election laws and fortify the elections.
The North Carolina plan?
'unduly favors the Republican Party and disfavors the Democratic Party.'
So, the Democratic Party needs to convince the voters of Ohio that their program is superior to that of the Republicans.
#BidenBoom update!
In 2022 Democrats have raised the minimum wage by: $0.00 / hour
In 2022 Reason.com benefactor Charles Koch's net worth has increased by: $7.44 billion
#LibertariansForBiden
Ah ah ah, a mistake!
California has indexed the minimum wage to inflation. I'm pretty sure it went up this year.
#TrillionairesForBidenFlation
Only if it was indexed to the price of spittin tobaccy.
Well shit, ya got me there. Apologies, OBL, we are not all as blessed with your insight.
Same thing here in the People's Republic of NJ.
I believe that is know as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
WA too.
The idea that companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, and Meta try to boost their own products over those of their competitors has been—and continues to be—the subject of ample criticism from politicians and the media.
It couldn't be their long history of anti competitive practices like buy and kills or outright collusion like with parlor.
It's not illegal for tech companies to merely favor their own products—like promoting Amazon-brand products higher in search results or pre-installing Google Chrome browsers on Google-owned Android phones—
Amazon specifically has found to have used marketing and seller data to help promote their own goods. To preference their own products.
Grocery stores do the same. They give their house brand products prime shelf positions. They know all sorts of details about what sells and when, and offer coupons and in-store specials.
I've never once seen a store brand on premium shelf space - it's always either top or bottom. There's also MAP and about a trillion other contract terms that are typical in a retail environment that Amazon does not practice. Charging people a 20% commission to sell their products on your platform, then collecting all of the data on those sales to introduce your own products that undercut the sellers whom you are charging a 20% commission to sell their products on your platform isn't illegal, and shouldn't be illegal, but it's slimy as fuck.
What is it about private property that you do not understand? What gives the State the right to control anybody's private property?
O I C. You are not a libertarian or individualist. O Well carry on!
"isn't illegal, and shouldn't be illegal, but it's slimy as fuck."
StArT yOuR oWn AmAzOn.
And pay for shipping like a fucking heathen? Never!
"their long history of anti competitive practices like buy and kills or outright collusion like with parlor."
And their history of hand-in-glove cooperation with government.
No no. We have to ignore the billion dollar contracts, the sweetheart deals with the postal service, etc.
One armed man at an Indiana Mall offered better protection than 376 cops in Uvalde...
That poor fuck is about to be milkshake ducked.
What part of vigilante don't you get? Better dozens of people die than have a citizen be able to defend his life.
He’s a fucking hero.
I don't know about hero, we all know a one armed man set up Harrison for in the fugitive
You mean the one headed man?
I'm amazed that a one armed man could do that with only one arm
The Idaho Republican Party on Saturday amended its platform to oppose abortion in all instances, including as a life-saving procedure for a pregnant woman...
For once I am reserving judgment until the accuracy of this framing is validated.
The thread on it is informative. Soldiermedic did a great job breaking down the medical issues, and ML posted the primary text.
Long story short: Reason lies again. No life saving procedures are prohibited, because they either aren't actually abortions or are scenarios where abortion would be more dangerous than other options to treat the problem.
They weren't "'lying", fascist. Reason was exploring alternate realities based on important inferences.
"and ML posted the primary text"
Boy, did that ever make the lefties mad. Jeffy even took a break from pretending to mute me, to make a shitpost.
he doesnt take kindly to people messing up his narrative with direct primary source material.
he didnt take the piles of evidence of CRT in schools well, and then had to duck out for a while and eventually come back and pretend he never saw it
He claimed yesterday that he admits that material regarding teachers grooming kids is real, but it isn't real. So he still throws in comments about Ulysses and Snow White as a counter argument. But he totes isn't defending the actions of teachers telling kids not to talk to parents, grooming, etc.
I mean 2 more videos from teachers just came out yesterday talking about them talking to Ks and 1s about transgenderism and how wonderful it was afterwards multiple kids declared themselves transgender. Of course these interactions are never actually video taped. It is most likely kids seeing an authority figure saying how great it was and they want to be in a great situation too. They don't understand the actual issues involved, but teachers are happy to push kids into those behaviors.
Where are these videos? I'd like to see them.
I have never supported in general teachers keeping secrets from parents.
The problem is that the term "grooming" as commonly used is a highly offensive slur meant to insinuate that teachers are involved in some way with child sexual abuse. It is wrong and disgusting to make these types of false allegations. I am not surprised you are making them because you already have no problem treating teachers like garbage. But for the rest of us, we object to that.
The other problem is that the term "grooming" as commonly used ALSO refers not specifically to teachers hiding anything from parents, but merely to the presentation of any material that is accepting of LGBTQ issues. So in this sense telling kids that "sometimes two men can fall in love with each other and that's okay" is ALSO "grooming" even if there is no deception involved. Used in this way, the slur of "grooming" is just a resurrection of the old trope that gays are closet pedophiles and decent people should not stand for that type of nonsense.
Do you get it now?
You'd like to see videos easily found when you have a history of every source you've ever been provided?
I see you still don't understand what the term grooming means and why it is the correct term.
If you're going to be so dishonest why do you expect people to interact with you?
The reason you all chose the term "grooming" is to cynically and deliberately associate teaching acceptance of homosexuality with pedophilia and child sexual abuse. That makes it easier to oppose a curriculum tolerant of homosexuality - just declare it to be some abominable crime against children, and you will have legions of parents willing to sign on to the campaign. It is the same type of strategy used by Rufo et al. in their campaign against CRT - deliberately and cynically associate what actually happens, with something that is far worse, and you will get frightened parents tripping over themselves voting for those wanting to get rid of it in order to "save the children".
"teaching acceptance of homosexuality "
By the way, everyone can see through this Motte/Bailey. It is extremely transparent.
Its the "white people just dont want to talk about slavery" equivalent. Same strategy, just applied to grooming instead of CRT.
Another argument jeff actually used lol.
Is that so? Well let's see...
https://reason.com/2022/07/18/republicans-seek-child-support-payments-for-fetuses/?comments=true#comment-9604146
Homosexuality is abnormal. Using the abnormal as a reference point, especially when trying to INSTRUCT that the abnormal is not abnormal, is grooming children for a delusional perspective that will then be used to direct interpretation of normal hormonal and psychological development toward the abnormal.
This person is using the term "grooming" exactly as I have described it - merely teaching acceptance of homosexuality is equivalent to "grooming". So I will expect that you will tell this person that his arguments are all wrong, he is incorrectly using the term grooming and that he should stop it, right?
No. It is him pointing out the behavior is not normal. It is a small percentage of people that prescribe to the behaviors. Home schooling is abnormal. It doesn't mean it is bad.
Do you own a dictionary?
Nowhere does he state there all homosexuals groom either.
You're a dishonest shithead as usual Jesse.
He is saying that "grooming" includes teaching that homosexuality is not abnormal. Nothing about hiding curriculum or keeping secrets from parents. He is saying that the TEACHERS are the "groomers", not the gays.
That is contrary to what you stated above about "grooming" only referring to teachers keeping secrets from parents.
So your team's shifting definition of "grooming" is the ACTUAL motte/bailey argument here. When convenient, "grooming" means either "teaching acceptance of homosexuality" (the bailey), or when called out on it, you insist that "no no, it just means teachers keeping secrets from parents" (the motte). Oh and it's just a big fucking coincidence that you all only bring this up when the topic has something to do with LGBTQ issues. Oh and it's also just a big fucking coincidence that there is this strong association between "grooming" and child sexual abuse. Oh and it's also just a big fucking coincidence that this is the EXACT SAME PLAYBOOK that your team already used with the issue of "CRT in the classroom".
Keep Jeffy away from children.
Humphrey, keep your fat sweaty hands off of children.
I didn't choose the term grooming.
It is being accurately applied.
"The reason you all chose the word ARSON to describe what BLM/antifa were doing was because it makes them lighting buildings on fire have a negative connotation" - also leftists
Here is your guy, Chris Rufo, saying that the term "grooming" as applied DOES refer specifically to child sexual abuse. Not about hiding curriculum items from parents. Actual child sexual abuse.
https://www.city-journal.org/abuse-in-schools-no-conspiracy-theory
And that is why you deliberately chose the term "grooming" to describe what teachers are doing. Because of the term's close association with child sexual abuse. Because you want to create the false association in the minds of parents and voters that what teachers are doing in the classroom is tantamount to child sexual abuse. It is a cynical messaging stunt.
Okay Jesse.
Does this article describe "grooming"?
If so, specifically state why.
Here is the article
https://delawarevalleyjournal.com/parent-residents-complain-about-sexual-content-in-wcasd-books/
Jeff you've been given the definition and application for grooming in multiple threads.
You are now applying sea lioning 101 to try to change the definition of baseline agreements. Such as you claiming reading snow white is now grooming.
Answer the question Jesse.
Does the incident represented in that article correspond to "grooming"? Yes or no?
1. Selecting a Victim.
2. Gaining Access and Isolating the Minor.
3. Developing Trust With the Minor and Other Adults in the Minor’s Life
4. Desensitizing the Child to Sexual Content.
5. Maintenance Behaviors Following the Commission of the Abuse.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-sexual-abuse/202101/how-female-sexual-abusers-groom-their-victims
Grooming: Know the Warning Signs
Abusers may also show the victim pornography or discuss sexual topics with them, to introduce the idea of sexual contact.
https://www.rainn.org/news/grooming-know-warning-signs
1. The first stage is to identify a vulnerable child. Some risk factors for vulnerability are poor relationships with parents, a chaotic home environment, few or no friends, or a history of abuse.
2. The next stage is to gain trust and access. This stage is where the child gets special attention and feels accepted and understood. This stage may also be where the perpetrator begins a friendship with the parents to gain easier access to the child.
3. The third stage is to isolate the child and create secrecy. The goal is to make the child feel like they can’t talk about the relationship with others. Asking the child to keep secrets is a way that perpetrators gain the child's compliance and further isolate the child from others.
4. The fourth stage is desensitization. Desensitization is the process of continuing to touch the child until the child becomes more and more used to it and does not react as much. The perpetrator may at first tickle the child or stroke their hair. Then, a perpetrator may move to more and more inappropriate touching. The perpetrator may also walk in on the child changing, expose themselves to the child, or use dirty jokes or pornography to desensitize the child.
https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/mental-health/what-is-grooming-sexual-abuse
The perpetrator uses isolation tactics to reinforce their relationship with the child by creating situations in which they are alone together (babysitting, one-on-one coaching, “special” trips). The perpetrator may reinforce the relationship with the child by cultivating a sense that they love and understand the child in a way that others, even their parents, cannot. The adult can start to tell the child that no one cares for them the way they do, not even their parents.
https://www.d2l.org/child-grooming-signs-behavior-awareness/
Oh look more gray boxes from ML.
Sorry, you had your chance.
Oh look more gray boxes from ML.
Sorry, you had your chance.
LOL, and he specifically provided citations.
You really deserve to have your skull bashed in with a sledgehammer.
Nobody has a "chance" with Jeffy. When he's not lying and gaslighting he's moving goalposts and misrepresenting other posts.
Jerks like you are responsible for Americans increasingly associating grooming kids with gays and lesbians, by deliberately jumping together every form of sexuality in a single interest group.
Gays do not go into schools telling young kids about the supposed benefits of gender transition.
Oh give me a break. The trope of homosexuals as pedophiles has been around for eons. It was wrong then and it is wrong now, and it's not people like me who are resurrecting that trope for the purposes of political gain.
Cite?
You are literally doing what he just accused you of.
In fact there are now gay advocacy groups actually also fighting the transgendering and grooming in schools who make the same argument noy2b is making.
The people lumping everyone together are the leftist activists like yourself trying to ignore actual examples of it happening by broadening the group and saying not them so not everyone.
Youre the leftist being dishonest here.
When people talk about grooming they are discussing the actual examples of grooming now prevelant through public grade schools.
Yes, it used to be a trope and a malicious fabrication.
People like you, Chemjeff, are turning it into reality.
of course teachers are "teaching CRT" in the classroom. because your team has successfully changed the definition of CRT to mean "any discussion of race and power that we don't like". so whenever teachers teach an issue regarding race that conservatives find objectionable, that automatically counts as CRT. well done on your use of Alinksy tactics and Orwellian tactics to change the language to suit your agenda.
chemtard radical deathfat doesn't like it when the right plays by house rules to hurt his subversive lefty boos.
And an example of Jeff's dishonesty in action. He has been given dozens of links of teachers, school districts, and principles directly stating they use CRT based material in classrooms. It is a core part of ESL used in the majority of public schools. He has been given link after link but continues to deny it. Instead claiming it was the right changing definitions.
Just to refresh your memory, one of many examples: (from Reason magazine even!)
"It is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory," says the item."
"Consistent with its defense of CRT, the NEA will also provide a study "that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society.""
The NEA has completely stopped the "its not happening" game and embraced it, by name, not even just praxis as it was previously. There are direct examples that state "C.R fucking T" in school materials, and teachers stating they were told to push this stuff.
Your lefty friends that fall for this gaslighting tripe arent here, therefore you will fool no one with your sophomoric linguistic tactics that are highly effective on the uninformed and intellectually incapable.
"It is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory," says the item."
Yup they are endorsing what educators are SUPPOSED to do - expose kids to a variety of different viewpoints. That is called "teaching ABOUT CRT" which we were told again and again was totally acceptable, as long as it was presented as one of a range of views. But the objection was that parents were supposedly "indoctrinating kids into CRT" by telling them that it was the one and only correct way to view the world. And the only way one could arrive at this conclusion was to redefine what the teachers were ACTUALLY doing with "CRT".
Ibrahim X. Kendi is not CRT. Robin DiAngelo is not CRT. CRT is a specific legal theory that is only relevant in law school and in courtrooms. No one was doing this in elementary schools. Waht they were doing was using materials that were derived from Kendi and DiAngelo and the like, that you didn't like, that you decided to redefine as CRT.
"Ibrahim X. Kendi is not CRT. Robin DiAngelo is not CRT"
If CRT was a tree, Kendi and Diangelo's works would be the flowers that bloom from it.
Jeff is pretty stupid, but I have a hard time believing he doesn't understand this. He's just splitting hairs, like he does with the term "grooming."
He thinks he's clever that way.
What about Ulysses!!!! If you dont think it should be read to pre schoolers then you agree there is no grooming!!!
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Do you understand the difference between the phrases "informed by" and "informed about?"
It seems that's a critical difference you're missing and which needs to be cleared up before you can intelligently discuss the issue.
See Jimbo's comment above for clarification.
Kendi's book is not about CRT. However, his central thesis is informed by CRT, as in, it gives prominence to the philisophy at the center of CRT as a legal theory.
And that is the redefinition of terms that I am describing. When you say "CRT", you are not referring to the actual CRT theory, you are referring to everything that is within a 10-light-year radius of CRT.
""It is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum TO BE INFORMED BY ACADEMIC FRAMEWORKS for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory," says the item." (emph. added)
Do you understand what that statement means?
It is not a redefinition of terms. The statement clearly says that curriculum is informed by CRT, which means it gives prominence to the central philosophy of CRT as a legal framework.
Come on, dude. Are you really this fucking dumb? No one is trying to redefine CRT, but it's pretty fucking clear from the statement above, CRT is used to shape curriculum.
Yup. It's important for curriculum to be informed by multiple academic frameworks, one of which is CRT.
Imagine if someone just changed it out to say:
"curriculum informed by...postmodern nazism." Or "scientific racism" or "phrenology"
And then with a straight face said "I mean they arent teaching NAZISM, they are implementing a curriculum informed by and furthering the goals OF nazism". So nothing to see here!
"curriculum informed by...postmodern nazism." Or "scientific racism" or "phrenology"
Or even just, "informed by Christianity."
Sure, imagine if someone were to use a completely discredited ideology as opposed to one that is not.
Oh snap, does that just mean that I said CRT has some merit? Why, yes I did! Because at its core, CRT is based on the idea that the reason for racial disparities is "structural racism". As opposed to other theories, particularly those favored by right-wingers, that the reason for racial disparities is due solely to individual actions and choices of all involved. There is merit in both of these positions and both deserve to be discussed in the classroom. The curriculum ought to be informed by both of these frameworks. It doesn't mean either is necessarily the correct answer. It does mean that both merit consideration.
Can you cite examples of credited CRT? I mean it is post modernist thought that basically leads to all actions as racist.
A popular example used directly from CRT discussions is used often by Lindsay.
Black person walks into a store at the same time as a white person. What is the racist response from the employee.
The answer is any response. Of the employee helps the white person first, they didn't think the black person was able to buy anything. If they help the black person first they want to get the black person out of the store quickly.
CRT has no rational basis in any objective or critical thought discussion. It is purely objective with predetermined outcomes.
But you're a post modernism jeff. So you accept the premise. Dumb people over post modernism.
"Oh snap, does that just mean that I said CRT has some merit? Why, yes I did! Because at its core..."
At its core it is essentially neo-marxists applying the marxian concept of critical theory through a lens of racism. At its core, its a rebranding of classical marxism that used an economic lense (which wasnt working due to a thriving middle class in America) to one that uses a lens of race/racism. At its core, it is race marxism. As OG critical theory was, at its core, classical economic marxism.
So I am in no way surprised that you find merit in race marxism. But dont be surprised when people who know whats in it call it out for the racist tripe that it is.
It has enough merit that it deserves consideration in school.
Believe it or not, a proper education is not simply imposing your own beliefs onto the rest of the classroom.
"Believe it or not, a proper education is not simply imposing your own beliefs onto the rest of the classroom."
Ya but I am happy keeping out beliefs and teachings that have specifically led to poverty, death, and despair for more victims than any other ideology on this earth.
“10-light-year radius of CRT.”
Haha. Flailing now.
Because at its core, CRT is based on the idea that the reason for racial disparities is "structural racism".
Which is begging the question, meaning it has no merit.
"It has enough merit that it deserves consideration in school."
No, it doesn't.
That is entire true, Chemjeff: we dislike all dishonest and neo-Marxist indoctrination of kids on race. I.e. we object to CRT.
Not to mention that the party platform that was ostensibly "just amended on Saturday" is from 2020. Which for those of you as innumerate as the idiotic Downie cunt who wrote this article, was 2 fucking years ago.
His thread wasn't all that great. Diet is not the answer to every medical problem, abortion in the case of cancer is unnecessary because chemo and radiation will do the killing, and anyway, abortion is available in neighboring states just a one hour flight away! Gives new meaning to kicking the can down the road.
There are enough abortion militants they can fund abortion tourism if they so choose. Enough companies are anyways.
Nobody wants to pay maternity leave when an abortion is cheaper. Watch HR departments start acting like scabby boyfriends.
Still not convinced this country is fundamentally WHITE SUPREMACIST? And that literally everything is poisoned by SYSTEMIC RACISM?
Amusement park Sesame Place apologizes after viral video appears to show a costumed character snubbing two Black girls during a parade
Snubbed. By. A. Costumed. Character.
If this outrageous human rights violation doesn't get voters to support tens of trillions of dollars in reparations for slavery, nothing will.
#BLM
Sixteen Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Presley (Mass.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Cori Bush (Mo.) were arrested along with other abortion rights protesters outside of the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday.
No they weren't. They were gently escorted off the premises while pretending to be handcuffed.
Except Omar, who also pretended to be led away by an imaginary police officer.
And gently escorted to a shaded park where they could take pictures and dance to music.
“St. Louis sent me to Congress to do everything in my power to protect our rights and improve our lives. That’s why I’m fighting with everything I’ve got for my community,” Bush later said in a statement, adding: “Today was not the first day I’ve put my body on the line for our freedom, and I’m willing to do it again.
Stunning and brave.
Today was not the first day I’ve put my body on the line for our freedom, and I’m willing to do it again.
That sounds kinda nasty.
Gross.
That's Kamala's job.
lol.
Then perhaps you should actually legislate instead of virtue signaling.
actually, let's be honest, better they do this shit than try legislating.
I mean, MLK at least had the balls to get himself thrown in jail as part of his protest. And he refused to pay his bail even though it would have trifling to raise to funds because he was making a statement.
These ladies got gently escorted out of the road they were blocking.
"These ladies got gently escorted out of the road they were blocking."
And we're going to hear about it for at least a week.
Again, they didn't get arrested because the Constitution forbids it. The cops can't even ask them to get out of the street.
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1549747643886325763?t=LuKua9YCy3SBmvdykww2VA&s=19
.@PeteButtigieg politicizes the heat wave: "When it comes to the climate, we’re running out of time. The science is unambiguous; in terms of the level of threat — in terms of the lives and livelihoods that America and the world stand to lose if we don’t accelerate our action"
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I don't remember ever having hot days in July before global warming. You Nationalist Conservatives know nothing about science.
I remember hearing endless chatter about how we were going to have more and worse SUPERSTORMS that year we got randomly hit hard by a few hurricanes.
But we have had less hurricanes (and not even 1 superstorm!) since that year. In fact 2010-2020 had on average less natural disasters than 2000-2010 despite the climate alarmism climbing exponentially.
Im starting to think these people are full of shit...
shame nobody with a journalistic website will write articles about them being full of shit.
It's only the greatest threat to liberty, both internationally and domestically, that's ever existed.
No biggie
Well duh you have to go by economic impact like the ipcc does. Storms have gotten more costly in terms of damage! (granted this year they may go down)
whats the formula for storm impact accounting for haperinflation?
The ipcc hasn't mentioned it but rest assured that however they change the numbers it will point to a climate cat's trophy. Unless it's like their 2022 report where they couldn't justify lieing enough so politicians told them to not make the report wide spread.
Odd that it was just the weather when the first half of the year was unusually cool.
^this. Jan-March in my town were notably colder than usual and winter seemed to stick around much longer. Had some days in march where it was legit freezing still, which is not the norm.
Everyone seemed fine with chalking it up to "I guess this is just a colder winter this year"
It's all about the earth's tilt.
Somebody sciencey should let people know.
Incident angle is the most important part of the equation. Same reason that in the northern hemisphere anybody with solar panels not facing the south is loosing ~50 to 70% of the panels capability.
Yeah, it's been quite cool this summer up until now. Last year too. It was less than 60 degrees on the 4th of July.
It was a rather mild spring here as well. The weather this year seems more or less typical.
Unusually cool on the west coast, too. Where I am right now it's 69F.
69F
Niceeee.
LOL
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> Holding congressional hearings into how America ended up with schools and libraries hosting weekly drag-queen hours won't strike many people as necessarily leading to very much by way of concrete action.
The point is not action. The point is outrage display. OMG look at how bad things are! Can you believe it! Shocking! Disgusting!
My mom can spend hours at a family gathering telling everyone how awful some current event or another is. And everyone will slowly nod their head. But no solutions beyond "we gotta vote for more Christians!" Apparently every Republican is a Christian, but no Democrat ever was. Certainly Libertarians and independent are not.
7 and a half years of continuous investigations into Trump and Russia were a fruitful use of resources and a scintillating topic of discussion though, you fucking clown.
I hope you catch AIDS from sarcasmic's daughter.
Or she at least keys his car.
"but no Democrat ever was"
If you are "christian" but act, vote, and carry yourself as a secular "the science" worshiper, actual Christians take notice.
Nancy "abort all the babies", "crypt keeper" Pelosi is a good practicing catholic, right?
She's very devout.
Maybe if she keeps practicing she'll eventually get it right.
If you are "christian" but act, vote, and carry yourself as a secular "the science" worshiper, actual Christians take notice.
A couple of years ago, there was this chin-stroking article in the Denver press about how Colorado Dems were trying to figure out how to reach out real, actual religious people, because they'd somehow acquired a reputation as being hostile to such things after several decades of pushing cultural deviancy and mocking Christianity.
My parents, like BrandyBuck's have also always been very religious. When I was a much younger, more liberal, more naive kiddo I posed the same kind of question Brandy seems confused about. Their answer was basically "we only vote for Christians that dont seem to hate everything Christianity stands for".
Its pretty easy to see how a person that despises the US flag but celebrates the Pride flag, hates on the US but celebrates the globohomo pansexual buttfucking genderswapping brigade...might not have any Christian street cred to actual bible thumpers.
After a couple of decades of having your faith be consitently called, "anti-gay," by the MSM, democrats, etc, it's not crazy to think Christians would want to elect more actual Christians.
Also, I don't know how Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden get away with being publicly Catholic, the most "anti-gay" of all the "anti-gay" religions.
Also, I don't know how Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden get away with being publicly Catholic, the most "anti-gay" of all the "anti-gay" religions.
That's been going on for decades. The main problem is that Vatican II ended up opening the door for socially leftist Catholics to support policies that specifically contradicted church doctrine, depending on whether they were fashionable at the time.
"My mom can spend hours at a family gathering telling everyone how awful some current event or another is. And everyone will slowly nod their head."
So Brandybuck's problem is mommy issues?
Your family is right to be disgusted, BTW.
“…..spend hours…..”?
My goodness, that does sound tedious. You’d think some of the head nodders might slip away for a walk or something after 15 minutes or so. Mom might even get the hint.
Conclusion: brandys family isn’t very bright.
Outrage like the BLM riots you defended?
There used to be plenty of Christian Democrats. There used to be plenty of pro life Democrats. There used to be plenty of pro free market Democrats.
The Democratic part has changed radically over the past 20 years. Bill Clinton sounds like a right wing Republican today.
^This.
The modern left thinks Joe Biden is basically a republican, and the NYT and Wapo are down the middle outlets that give too much leeway to conservatives.
Most of the current issues going on are due to the left and their extreme move further left in the last decade.
Most of the current issues going on are due to the left and their extreme move further left in the last decade.
Which, not coincidentally, is the result of Gen-Xers and Millennials, who were radicalized with neo-marxist dogma in college, taking over positions of authority from the Boomers.
It's not really an accident that the Dems are basically being driven these days by the white, college-educated upper and upper middle class, who frame everything in terms of race and sexuality. This was exactly what Marcuse proposed needed to be done in the late 60s, because American capitalism was providing the working class with a decent life, and thus wouldn't be amenable to overthrowing the US in the interests of global communism.
Now let's do all of the Democratic politicians with billions of dollars in Pfizer and Moderna stock, you stupid, disingenuous, mendacious, ugly, twisted, disgusting, cunt.
I hope your child gets raped to death in front of you, btw. Although you and your cuck would probably would get off on it.
I would add that defense is less egregious as we predictably ALWAYS end up spending more on defense, so its not as much of a surprise. You know what politicians vote to increase defense spending? Every one of them.
But when politicians piled money specifically into Pfizer stock based on insider information and policy they were privy to, that is significantly dirtier
To be fair, it wasn't really "insider information" that Pfizer was about to get huge orders for a vaccine to the Great Plague Of Our Time.
In February 2020 it was
Even then it wasn't a secret that some disease would grab up all the headlines for at least a couple of weeks, during which time any stock related to healthcare and pharmaceuticals would shoot up. It's sort of like congressmen buying up weapons stocks in the run up to the Ukraine war, when the Biden regime was hyping up a war in Ukraine for a month prior. Sure, nobody came out and said they'd be throwing tens of billions of dollars at those companies, but it wasn't a secret that it would happen.
when you are part of the regime that knows you are planning on mandating vaccines, information that vaccines will be mandatory becomes highly valuable.
Without a concerted govt effort to push and mandate vaccines on ALL age categories, under emergency use, Pfizer stock would have been much less valuable.
" 1.) Republican congressman calls for increased government spending on defense.
2.) Same congressman invests his money in the stock of two leading defense contractors."
Remember that HUGE- now disappeared- story on congressional insider trading, and of the top 10 beneficiaries, something like 15 were democrats?
Pelosi - "that was just the 'free market' at work"
For some reason this is only a problem when they manage to find a Republican that does it. Strange.
and of the top 10 beneficiaries, something like 15 were democrats?
The way they do math, that wouldn't surprise me.
I just saw that. I meant top 20.
Similarly, simply saying that you desire to bolster traditional families or protect religious communities from aggressive progressives doesn't tell us much about how you intend to do it.
I’ll tell you how! Give money to this gay (don’t forget Black) man at givesendgo (givesendgo.com/Ali) who is GOP Proud like Caitlin and Milo. That way I can combat the Jan 6th hoax, and take on progressive filth while my boyfriend, Gunther, gives me a reach-around. I’m just trying to do my part as a libertarian in the GOP/Mises alliance to promote traditional family values— which is now like Job #1 for libertarians and the GOP (but I repeat myself.)
Quit being racist, shrike.
Izzat chu, AAA?
Ranlo seeks applicants to replace commissioner who resigned over fake Facebook account
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Sixteen Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Presley (Mass.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Cori Bush (Mo.) were arrested along with other abortion rights protesters outside of the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday.
Funny there's no mention of their laughable theatrics of pretending to be handcuffed for the cameras?
These women are clowns.
Clowns with Congressional privilege. The joke is on us.
"But Doctor, I Am Pagliacci."
It's a shame they didn't get the beatdown that cops allegedly give to all minorities.
were arrested along with other abortion rights protesters outside of the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday.
Were they?
no time for facts. climate emergency!
Nope. DC cops know they can't arrest Members. They can't detain them. They can't even direct them to get out of the street.
Glenn Greenwald Lashes Out at ‘Liberal Idiots’ Shocked He Is Hosting Alex Jones Doc Premiere
Oh wow! I can’t wait! What will Glenn ask him about? How Sandy Hook was staged and making frogs gay. The latter is especially interesting to this gay (don’t forget Black!) man. What a crack journalist! When is the next slot on Tucker?
you did it, you convinced me of whatever point you are trying to make
um next time don't wave to cameras while you're "handcuffed" dummy
"Sixteen Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Presley (Mass.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Cori Bush (Mo.) were arrested along with other abortion rights protesters outside of the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday."
If only there were a way these democratic lawmakers could do something to solve the problem...
Don't give them ideas.
The "National Conservative" argument seems pretty weak sauce. The author's only real critique of them is that they differ from conservative orthodoxy in that they're concerned about preserving (mostly blue collar) manufacturing jobs. While I agree that they might be barking up the wrong tree on that front (although their link supporting the outsourcing claim goes to a "Page Not Found") and believe the better answer is to let businesses compete more freely, the concern about blue collar jobs is hardly something for them to be ashamed of. And as to the suggestion that "the rest is just conservatism", that suggestion of universal conservative support for the other issues is hardly as obvious as the author glosses over. A large chunk of conservatism and libertarianism has become unabashedly internationalist and cosmopolitan.
And there's at least some area of common cause for libertarians and national conservatives. Internationalism and cosmopolitanism are increasingly taking the form of technocratic authoritarianism. If libertarians are focused on preserving and attaining liberty and not ensuring a favorable mix of bread and circuses (pot, Mexicans and ass sex) for the administrative state, then there's at least a common enemy that needs to be defeated.
>>pretty weak sauce
ya it's a nonexistent entity they just made up a name for a subset of a subset
No, I think National Conservatism is a thing. It's just not very well defined. Donald Trump knocked over the cannister that was "Conservatism Inc." But, it probably should have been knocked over twenty years earlier. Modern Buckleyan conservatism was always a marriage of convenience between a bunch of ideas that weren't necessarily fully compatible in response to the threat of Soviet expansionism. When the Cold War ended, the reason for that marriage went away. For a while, post-9/11, the movement got taken over by neoconservatives, with their aggressive foreign policy and strong commitment to the managerial state. But, neoconservatism's failure in the desserts of Iraq and the boardroom of Lehman Brothers gave Trump the opening to re-introduce a lot of questions conservatives should have been asking for years, not that I think he was aware that was what he was doing. Now, conservatives are wrestling with the question of what should be the conservative take on the managerial welfare-warfare state. National conservatism is just one manifestation of that.
Trump was always a rallying point for his supporters, not an originator, reflecting rather than dictating their priorities.
People, like those who staff this publication, who have been trained to care about what The Cathedral tells them to care about at any given moment will never understand this.
Completely agreed. And a large part of the conservative base was no longer particularly enthusiastic with the answers and analyses being offered them by the neoconservatives or "Conservatism Inc." It was, I think, mostly a gut reaction on their part. They knew the left didn't have good answers for them and they saw neoconservatives and "Conservatism Inc." as stopgaps between the status quo and the wishes of the left.
No, I think National Conservatism is a thing. It's just not very well defined.
That's mainly because the country is still in the midst of a significant political realignment that's been ongoing since about 2010, and probably won't fully settle for another decade or so. The last major one took probably 40 years between 1890-1930 before the definitions "liberal" and "conservative" that we all grew up with were finally established.
There was another minor one between 1960-1980 that was also caused by a populist upsurge (government-skeptical Republicans taking on northeastern moderates/the New Left of northeastern liberal radicals pushing out the Dixiecrats), but that was largely done under the older socio-economic political dichotomy.
You may be right about that. I think it's an extension of what I say above about the end of the Cold War.
all the above very interesting gracias.
>>in the midst of a significant political realignment
this is where my comment was coming from. 'conservative' is a blob right now
The very foundation of libertarianism is internationalist in nature. Because it posits that every human being is endowed with inalienable rights that a just government is duty-bound to recognize and protect. "Libertarian nationalism" is an oxymoron.
That's an absurd claim. But, let's deconstruct it. Rights are a moral concept. They define the moral limits of human interaction. That's why they're called "rights", to differentiate them from wrongs. When one says that the morality of human interaction applies to all people, that's fairly solid ground. But, there's absolutely no logical connection whatsoever between saying those moral standards apply universally and saying anyone has an obligation to enforce the application of those moral standards (i.e. a government) universally. Strictly, the only scope of the application of those moral standards would be between the individual and those he interacts with (you'd think someone calling himself a "radical individualist" would understand this). To claim that the individual is responsible for putting his life liberty and property at stake for enforcing the morality of interactions of people he's never met or is never likely to meet is akin to saying that his moral standards are hostage to their universal application.
One can make the case that some larger units of polity may be necessary give the world. But, that's not a principle, but a practical deviation from principle. And to the extent possible, the locus of authority should be the exact opposite of "internationalist" (i.e. universal) but at the most local level possible.
Every human being has inalienable rights that a just government is obliged to protect and defend.
Libertarians believe that.
Nationalists don't believe that. They think that the rights of citizens are more important than the rights of non-citizens.
At this point, I understand I'm trying to argue with an NPC. If you can't be bothered to address my actual arguments and just respond by repeating the very point I refuted, I might as well be arguing political philosophy with my Dachshund.
He's paid to deliberately misunderstand.
He’s definitely being retarded on purpose here.
Jeffy is apparently firmly convinced that libertarianism is a form of socialism.
You are right I didn't really address your points. So let me give it a go.
But, there's absolutely no logical connection whatsoever between saying those moral standards apply universally and saying anyone has an obligation to enforce the application of those moral standards (i.e. a government) universally.
There is the flaw in the argument. No, a particular government does not have to protect rights universally, i.e. everywhere on the globe. It is sufficient that they protect rights within the jurisdiction of that particular government.
The confusion here I think is between the conceptual idea of universal human rights, and a particular implementation of trying to protect those rights. When I say that libertarianism is inherently international, I mean it in a conceptual sense. That it must recognize the inherent natural rights of EVERYONE. A consistent libertarian is not permitted to claim that people born in different countries are lesser beings or have fewer natural rights just because they were born elsewhere. HOW those rights are protected is a different matter. Sure it may be from a one-world government but it doesn't have to be. It is obviously possible to have separate sovereign nation-states along with libertarian ideas of rights. But those nation-states must be internationalist and open in their composure, and not nationalistic and closed. Only nations that are open will treat people from other nations as equivalent to their own in terms of human rights. That is my point.
What's a just government?
One that recognizes and protects the natural rights of everyone within its jurisdiction.
No government is 100% just, but some are closer than others. Western nations generally do a much better job than, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Every human being has inalienable rights that a just government is obliged to protect and defend.
Let it be known that jeffie believes that the U.S. government can only be just if it arrests the leaders of foreign states that infringe on the rights of their citizens.
No, that is a distinction between the principle of the matter (everyone has rights) and the practical matter of how those rights are protected. Recognizing the principle does not compel a particular course of action such as invading the world.
No, libertarians certainly do not believe that it is the job of government to protect inalienable rights. For example, libertarians don’t expect the government to protect their lives; instead, libertarians want to be able to carry weapons in order to defend themselves. Libertarians merely believe that government must not violate inalienable rights.
The idea that the job of government is to protect inalienable rights is the basis of socialism.
Giga-wut?
Your reaction shows that you really don’t understand libertarianism. You and Jeff should get a room.
Chemjeff, you’re confusing socialism and libertarianism. Socialism tries to use government to protect everybody’s rights and liberties on the entire planet. That’s the essence of socialism.
Libertarianism says that it is not the government’s job to do much of anything, except perhaps protecting the country from foreign invasion. Libertarians certainly reject the idea that it is the government’s job to concern itself with the liberties of people in foreign nations.
Well foreign invasion involves threats to Individual Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property, silly!
So? It usually also involves a lot of other things. What does that have to do with anything?
Government doesn’t protect your life, liberty, or property in this society, let alone in a libertarian society. Get used to that fact.
Presumably "National Conservatism" was chosen because "National Socialism" had unfavourable branding.
I guess the racist, socialist pieces of garbage in the US will have to rebrand this time around from "National Socialist" being that they actively hate the nation. Maybe "Self-loathing Socialist" party, or "Marxist Scum" party
They just call themselves globalists, progressives, and/or woke now
Fascism is progressive, anti free market, anti religion, anti equality, and anti conservative.
The fascist party in the US is the Democrats, just like a century ago.
But then why do they call their activist arm antifa? Ha answer that one!
"We call ourselves anti-fascist so we can't be fascists. Nothing we do can be fascist because we're anti-fascist. Why can't people get that? It's so simple."
Fascism was never anti-Religion.
Both Hitler and Mussolini cut sweetheart deals with the Vatican, admired Luther, and outlawed Atheist and Freethought organizations.
Also, Muslims found common cause with Fascism in Spain with Franco, in The Abyssinian War when Mussolini partnered with Somali Muslims against Abyssinia (Ethiopia,) and in the Middle East when Hitler's Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels partnered with Haj Amin Al-Husseini, The Grand Mufti of Jeruselem to incite Muslims to expel and kill the Jews in the Middle East.
Also, the Hirohitoists of Japan had a symbiotic relationship with the Buddhist Monks in Japan, who supported the Emleror "Bringing the Eight Corners of the World Under One Roof."
Please know whatof you speak.
Here is what Hitler thought about religion in his own words:
The man hated Christianity and religion and just saw it as political tool.
Of course, Hitler’s views on religion were similar to that of modern progressives.
The fact that fascists and religious groups sometimes made alliances and collaborated when they had similar policy aims doesn’t change what fascism is about as an ideology.
Take your own advice: learn something about fascism before you talk about it so that you don’t make a fool of yourself.
I wonder if they had recipes?
"Join @NovaPBS as they takes a tasty look at insect foods that could benefit our health and our warming planet.
"Edible Insects" premieres tonight at 7.35pm"
https://twitter.com/PBSAmerica/status/1549078796803878913?s=20&t=xe8jSl6KTxKTjghIiSMWtg
John the Baptist ate locusts, and he turned out all right!
Uh, no. They didn't stop him from losing his head.
Ive been seeing an alarming increase in shows / videos about how different cultures in the world prepare and eat various insects.
Of note, these are usually extremely impoverished, suffering people with quality of life in the bottom percentile.
But all in service to the almighty! (Gaia)
You'll eat the bugs, you'll live in a pod and you'll be thankful for it.
I've heard it pointed out that nobody interested in making us eat bugs wants to show live insects on a fork. All those companies that produce bug meat for human consumption display their finished products that look like burgers, hot dogs, etc.
Only the media is obsessed with making the association between eating the bugs and Fear Factor.
Does it matter if bug meat looks like a burger? It's still bug meat.
Does it matter that it's bugs if it's safe to eat, nutritious and tastes good?
For me, yes. It's bugs. It's also lumped in with the rest of the GND bullshit that's designed to destroy my comfortable, middle class lifestyle.
I don't care if it looks and *kind of* tastes like a cheeseburger. It's still bugs and that's degrading.
My point was the media is intentionally making the Eat The Bugs part of the great reset look more repulsive than it actually is.
That's a good thing. It IS repulsive, not just because it's bugs. It's repulsive because it's part of the great reset.
Well yeah, it matters what form food takes. When was the last time you went up to a dead pig carcass in the field, slit open the gut, stuck your head in and started gnawing?
"All those companies that produce bug meat for human consumption display their finished products that look like burgers, hot dogs, etc."
Reminds me of Demolition Man - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdld7SqnIxE&ab_channel=FoodForWatch
And to be clear, I think I would probably go for a "bug burger" over whatever they are trying to grow in a lab nowadays.
Parents should be held legally liable for all the actions of their kids: it’s their responsibility to supervise their kids.
So we should lock up George Floyd's parents?
I just don't see how that could reasonably apply to teenagers. Unless you think no one should be allowed out on their own until they are 18.
Well, who else is going to be responsible for them? Why should society pay for the damage they cause or the crimes they commit?
parents ARE legally liable for the actions of their dependent minors.
Not consistently in the US, unfortunately.
Get back to your Stepford! It's not your business!
"What, however, does that mean in practice beyond, say, enforcing un-enforced border laws or putting supranational institutions like the European Union and outfits like the World Economic Forum firmly in their place?"
That's not enough?
National borders and backing off of multinational organizations is chopped liver?
That doesn’t seem to be insider trading, given that between “calling for” and actual laws, there are many months and votes and that the trade was done before the action.
This is likely intended as a distraction from Nancy Pelosi’s obvious and repeated insider trading. And Reason supports the propaganda.
That’s from the “if you repeat a lie often enough…” desk.
Yes, technically, they actually did that, but they allow the removal of a fetus to save the life of the mother, that just don’t call it an abortion.
Where do they plan on sourcing 20x as much electricity? That's the real question. It would take a football field of solar panels to charge one.
Unicorns, silly.