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China's Cyberspace Administration has ordered every website in the country that allows comments to review them before they are posted. Those sites must require those posting comments to submit their real names and verify their identities. Moderators must flag any potentially illegal posts. The new rules are apparently a reaction to online criticism of the government's continued efforts to battle COVID-19 with lockdowns.

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Seems to imply the CCP isn't doing a very good job of monitoring their internet. I doubt more than a fraction of 1% of users use VPNs to hide their identify, but even if 10% do, it still seems to imply the non-VPN users are being naughty and the CCP can't do anything about it.

Same sort of mystery all over. It's an easy assumption the NSA or some other TLA monitors the internet well enough to know who sends most of the spam, who controls which botnets and what the control mechanisms are. Wouldn't it be funny if they one day suddenly up and decided to shut down all the spammers and malware nets?

Russia has lots of youtube and other leaks that seem mighty embarrassing for Putin; a puzzle that the mighty Russian TLAs can't stop the worst of it, along with not being able to shut down the Ukraine internet.

I have lots of ideas, and have read a lot of others. I wonder how many people know the truth about all these lapses in internet control....

[Agammamon]

Wouldn't it be funny if they one day suddenly up and decided to shut down all the spammers and malware nets?

The FBI runs childporn rings 'to catch child pornographers' - odds are the NSA's already backdoored most botnets. But not to be able to shut them down - to be able to use them to DDOS the internet should Americans stop being so pliant.

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[SQRLSY One]

This is what will happen here if-when the authoritarians manage to kill Section 230!

[Don't look at me!]

LOL

[Brandybuck]

Both sides want some level of this treatment. Fighting fake news requires we know exactly who is posting what. I've seen calls for this. Some websites actually do it. Reason requires an actual account with an actual email. And Reason is fairly anarchy about stuff. Other websites want user validation. Facebook removes any user they deem not a real person. Which is hilarious because I know accounts that are fake that are still going strong.

The problem is the call for government to demand this of all websites. It's one thing if Facebook makes a policy for Facebook, but quite another for Biden/Trump/Xi to send thugs over to Zuckerberg's house to demand it. And plenty of people on bothsides who would cream their pants in joy of it actually happened here.

When China does it then it's bad, when Trump/Biden does it then it's good. We gotta battle the forces of phake news mocking Glorious Leader! Hurr durr!

[kcuch]

The problem is you positing that We gotta anything... begin with the premise that almost everything you propose We do will first require you to hire men with guns and badges to force other men to do what they would prefer not to.

[Agammamon]

. . . but quite another for Biden/Trump/Xi to send thugs over to Zuckerberg's house to demand it.

What if the thugs are wearing expensive suits and have expensive law degrees and speak nicely about how the administration would be *really grateful* if they did this?

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[kcuch]

lapses in internet control....

The Utah Data Center does store every packet sent across the internet but no-one reads any of it.

It is only when 'they' want you that they backtrack on your digital footprints to fabricate whatever they need.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Disinformation Governance Board

[Social Justice is neither]

You sure that's China and not the US, Canada, Australia or New Zealand? Hard to tell the difference these days.

[Joe Brandon Tea-Dee-ess]

was coming here to post the same thing.

[JWM]

Woke websites solve that problem by eliminating the comments section. For example, SFgate doesn't allow comments. I expect to see much more of this in the US in the near future as a way to eliminate "misinformation."

[Don't look at me!]

Words and ideas are dangerous.
Silence is violence.

[Brandybuck]

A lot of websites don't. When they don't have the capability to monitor the comments section, sometimes it's just easier not to have a comments section. This stuff doesn't come for free.

It's not just woke websites. Any website that doesn't want a toxic website either moderates the comment section or eliminates it. Reason comment section is pretty bad, but I've seen much much worse. It's not about left versus right, there's just a lot of people who like to fling the most noxious poo about.

And unfortunately moderation algorithms just aren't there yet. So it takes human eyeballs. Think of those poor schmucks who have to scan the worst porn to find the illegal stuff. Imagine being subjected to every variant of 2G1C eight hours a day. Now comment sections are a written analogy to that.

[Don't look at me!]

Words are porn.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yeah, who wants to do stuff they don't like for a paycheck?

[Jerry B.]

I keep telling you folks, don't give the Democrats any ideas.

[Brandybuck]

It's many of the Republican darlings who are also advocating abolishing Section 230. Who's elimination would require dumping comment sections or moderating them with a fine tooth comb to make sure they don't potentially offend some Senator.

[mad.casual]

S230 - Putting the government in charge of cleaning up every digital men's room wall since 1997.

[Don't look at me!]

….there's just a lot of people who like to fling the most noxious poo about.

Are you a senator?

[CE]

The new rules are apparently a reaction to online criticism of the government's continued efforts to battle COVID-19 with lockdowns.

But they are handy for monitoring everything else as well.

Comments on webistes are fading away anyway. Authors and publishers don't like it when the commenters point out the logical, economic and moral flaws in their arguments.

[GroundTruth]

So glad that I don't live in a very old and honorable country like China!

[The Encogitationer]

I guess Emperor Xi is doing this to Comments sections so that stories like this don't spread:

China's Support for Russia in Ukraine: One Giant Mistake
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/chinas-support-for-russia-in-ukraine-one-giant-mistake/

I'm sure Nardz would love this kind of power too, since this story makes his Pro-Putin stance look even more stupid.