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Bailouts

Biden Celebrates $90 Billion Bailout of Private Union Pension Plans

Plus: Don't cry for the failure of Homeland Security's disinformation board, states discover supply-side solutions to labor shortages, and more...

Eric Boehm | 7.7.2022 9:30 AM

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President Joe Biden jetted off to Cleveland on Wednesday evening to announce the official launch of a $90 billion bailout of union retirement plans—one that's completely paid for with federal borrowing.

The bailout was approved last year as part of the American Rescue Plan, the $1.9 trillion emergency spending bill that was ostensibly meant to combat COVID-19 but included an impressive array of spending that had nothing to do with public health. The bailout will direct funds to more than 200 nearly insolvent multiemployer pension plans, which are established jointly by unions and the private companies that contract with them through collective bargaining agreements.

"With today's actions, millions of workers will have the dignified retirement they earned and they deserve," Biden told the cheering crowd at a Cleveland high school.

Millions of union workers, that is. If you're not part of that select club, there's no bailout coming your way—even as a sagging economy eats into private retirement savings, inflation makes every saved dollar worth less, and Social Security looms on the brink of insolvency.

Oh, and you'll have to pay back (with interest!) the money borrowed to make this bailout (and the rest of the American Rescue Plan) possible. Sounds like a great deal, right?

As I detailed for Reason shortly after the American Rescue Plan passed last year, the multiemployer pension plan bailout is arguably the least defensible provision in a bill that was full of indefensible spending. The borrowing and spending is bad enough, but lawmakers also jettisoned a Republican-backed effort that would have at least attached some strings to the funds in the form of additional federal oversight of the bailed-out pensions.

What happened to the private multiemployer pension systems will sound familiar to anyone who has followed the slow collapse of public sector pension plans in many states. A 2018 study by the Government Accountability Office found that the Central States Pension Fund, one of the largest and most deeply indebted private multiemployer funds, would have 91 percent of the assets necessary to cover future costs if it had achieved its target annual financial return of 7.4 percent every year since 2000. Instead, the fund has earned an average of less than 5 percent annually and was on pace to run out of money by 2025. (It's also worth noting that there are more than 1,400 multiemployer pension plans out there; most are well-managed and not at risk of insolvency.)

"These pension plans failed to protect workers and retirees, and their trustees refused to make the changes necessary to make good on their promises" said Reps. Virginia Foxx (R–N.C.) and Rick Allen (R–Ga.), respectively the top Republicans on the Education and Labor Committee and the Health, Employment, Labor, and Pensions Subcommittee, in a joint statement on Wednesday. The American Rescue Plan, they added, "creates perverse incentives for further mismanagement and underfunding and leaves the taxpayer holding the bag."

For the roughly 3 million workers enrolled in the sinking multiemployer plans, the situation may well have been dire. But it wasn't an emergency. Congress had been bickering for years over how to deal with this problem—until the American Rescue Plan offered an opportunity for a party-line vote to approve a bailout for a constituency that reliably votes Democratic.

In that regard, this is something of a no-brainer. Biden delivered a major win to his labor union allies, put the cost on the taxpayers' tab, and took a victory lap for doing it.

"I promised you I would be the most pro-labor, pro-union, pro-worker President in our history," Biden said Wednesday in Cleveland. "I see you, I hear you, and I'll always have your back."

And everyone else gets to pay for it.


FREE MINDS

The New York Times has published its own feature-length obituary for the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) "disinformation board" and its ousted would-be director, Nina Jankowicz. The piece's opening paragraphs have to be seen to be believed:

The memo that reached the top of the Department of Homeland Security in September could not have been clearer about its plan to create a board to monitor national security threats caused by the spread of dangerous disinformation.

The department, it said, "should not attempt to be an all-purpose arbiter of truth in the public arena."

Yet when Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas announced the disinformation board in April, Republican lawmakers and conservative commentators denounced it as exactly that, calling it an Orwellian attempt to stifle dissenting views. So did some critics from the left, who questioned the powers that such an office might wield in the hands of future Republican administrations.

Well, if the memo promised the board wouldn't be bad, how could anyone argue with that? Thankfully, lots of people did—not just conservatives, but liberals and libertarians and anyone who understands that free speech is great and the DHS…isn't.

And given the DHS's two-decade history of mission creep and its pervasive lack of accountability, no one should be persuaded by the claim that the agency would have strictly limited how the disinformation board operated.


FREE MARKETS

Some states are discovering that they can ease labor shortages by letting more people work legally. New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy just signed a bill allowing 16-year-olds to work up to 50 hours per week, 14-year-olds to work up to 40 hours per week, and simplifying the process for minors to get the necessary paperwork to hold a job. The downside? The law won't take effect until next summer, so it won't do much to alleviate current labor supply issues.

Meanwhile, Michigan recently became the second state (after Maine) to allow 17-year-olds to serve alcohol. Other states are offering one-time bonuses to lure potential workers back into vacant jobs, Axios reports.


QUICK HITS

• British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced that he's stepping down as leader of the Conservative Party, though he will remain prime minister until a successor is chosen. His position atop the party became untenable in recent days as a flurry of resignations called into question Johnson's handling of a sexual misconduct scandal involving a Tory lawmaker.

• The United Nations estimates that the war in Ukraine has driven 71 million people worldwide into poverty, and those numbers could grow as key exports from Ukraine including grain, fuel, and fertilizer are disrupted.

• The Federal Reserve is preparing to raise interest rates by another 0.5 percent or 0.75 percent when its board meets later this month.

• Being friends with an NYPD officer means you can score a primo spot for watching Fourth of July fireworks.

• Does this make him the best taxpayer advocate ever, or the worst?

Wayne M. Garvin faces 13 months in prison after being convicted of evading taxes for at least five of his 26 years as a manager in the Philadelphia office of the IRS' Taxpayer Advocate Service. https://t.co/r2VEmm6gIj

— The Philadelphia Inquirer (@PhillyInquirer) July 6, 2022

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    President Joe Biden jetted off to Cleveland on Wednesday evening to announce the official launch of a $90 billion bailout of union retirement plans...

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      2. Union of Concerned Socks   4 years ago

        Fuck Joe Biden.

        124 days.

    2. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      By the time we get to September, will he be distributing free ponies to voters?

      Remember every time Democrats complain about money in politics that stuff like this, the government directly paying out to its constituency in order to sway an election, gets celebrated.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/joe-biden-is-sending-u-s-reserve-oil-overseas-as-americans-cope-with-record-gas-prices/

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

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        2. JesseAz   4 years ago

          He doesn't know what strategic reserve means.

          1. HorseConch   4 years ago

            He's using it like a strategic vote.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

              Don't worry. The Democrats have been replenishing their strategic vote reserve as rapidly as possible.

              1. Presskh   4 years ago

                If that doesn’t work, they will pull out the old mail-in ballots scam again.

      2. Union of Concerned Socks   4 years ago

        By the time we get to September, will he be distributing free ponies to voters?

        Are they union voters?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

          And are they union ponies?

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   4 years ago

            Are they for dog-faced pony soldiers?

      3. Jerry B.   4 years ago

        Unicorns that fart rainbows.

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Like with other crass actions, Democrats are not even bothering to hide things any more. I suppose too much of our nation has gone all-in on government as a primary source of material goods. Combine that with a righteous religious dogma that provides spiritual fulfillment, and the left has staked out their vision for the future.

        1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

          I suppose too much of our nation has gone all-in on government as a primary source of material goods.

          This is definitely the case with health care and pharmaceutical products. Americans could not survive past 6 months if the Feds stopped covering health care costs. that would be one way to rid the country of nonproductive, deadweight

        2. Presskh   4 years ago

          Agree. They gloat about paying off their voting base and using government agencies to go after their enemies. We are a doomed Republic.

    3. Overt   4 years ago

      If you really want to understand how stars aligned during COVID, this is it. This is why teachers unions and the SEIU were all-in on lockdowns. This is why California was locking down at the drop of the hat. This is why Fortune 500 companies like Verizon, Ford, GM, and various banks were all keeping their employees home. They all knew the bailouts would be coming if they just toed the line. And if they played their cards right, the bailout would include more than just the damages from lockdowns.

      Blue states around the country had pension crises of their own and were bailed out in the BBB program. And the private unions just got their payout.

      How many years have libertarians and fiscal conservatives been banging the drums about these unfunded liabilities in these pension programs. And just like that, overnight, the Federal Government just inks it all out, and allows these states and companies to continue their horrible behavior.

      Not only has this spending spree inflated our money supplies and prices, it has taken existing moral hazards and pumped them full of meth.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Manchin is back to working with dems to pass a 500 billion dollar bill to expand Obama care subsidies and continue certain bailouts.

        1. Ted   4 years ago

          That five hundred billion dollar is a phony. It doesn’t surprise me that the Biden’s have started counterfeiting.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        The best Democracy! that money can buy.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Ken actually pointed this out as well, way back when the elites were going all-in on lockdowns--I remember him specifically saying that California was hoping that the government would use COVID as an excuse to bail out their pension fund.

        1. Overt   4 years ago

          Yes. That was his big point about the Biden administration. The BBB was nothing more than a bailout for states that had big holes in their budgets. That was also the big reason he backed Trump- because Trump, despite his support of massive funding bills, was at least willing to keep these bailouts out of the spending sprees.

      4. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

        The phrase "legal plunder" comes to mind.

      5. VifYazerke   4 years ago

        anyone not stupid or on the take understands that this is why the ballot stuffing was allowed to go unpunished

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      That union dick, and the votes it pumps out, will not suck itself.

    5. Unable2Reason   4 years ago

      Not his fault. He thought it was 'onion' retirement plans. I heard he loves onions but hates unions.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Did Joe wear an onion on his belt?

        1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

          As was the style at the time!

    6. debo10   4 years ago

      When will Americans wake up to the race pandering, high taxing, big spending, divisive policies, economy wreaking, and anti American policies of the democrats and some establishment republicans? They get rich while pushing the costs of their big projects, such as: ‘green new deal,’ open borders, and the great reset to push socialism. Our youths know nothing! They are bad in math, science, history, civics, and economics. Our military is weak and drunk on ‘wokeness,’ instead of fighting. We have become so soft that all the enemies have to do is ‘misgender us, or use the wrong pronouns. We are asked to not believe reality. And the worst part is they are taught to hate the country by old people that become rich off the freedoms the country afforded! Just ask asshole Joe Biden, Liz Chaney and Pelosi! We had better wake up before they disarm us and deny us the very freedoms they grew up with.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    So did some critics from the left, who questioned the powers that such an office might wield in the hands of future Republican administrations.

    A valid concern. As valid as what the office was certain to do under Democrats.

    1. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

      Only less valid due to the resistance any Republican push would get if it went against "the narrative" the leftists running both old media and social media prefer. They've yet to sanction or ban anyone for pushing the Russia collusion hoax but have banned tons of people for speaking about true things.

    2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Amen. Both sides.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Whoosh!

      2. BigT   4 years ago

        That's like saying the Harlem Globetrotters and Washington Nationals are equivalent because they both play basketball.

        Both sides.

  3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

    Oh boy. Government is spending more money that doesn't exist. I'm sure that will do wonders for inflation. Assholes.

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      What, no both sides, this is just team politics defense like yesterday? You can actually criticize something today?

      1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        I've been criticizing bailouts and wasteful spending (regardless of the party in power, unlike Team Red cheerleaders who love it when Republicans spend, spend, spend) for fucking ever.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          No you weren't. When reason had an article on the economy and bidens deleterious effects you claimed the president doesn't control the economy, and any criticism was just team politics.

          So youre lying again.

          1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            That's a pretty retarded response that has nothing to do with what I said.

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              It is exactly what you did dummy.

              1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                No, it's not. You read, see, and argue against things that only exist in your mind.

              2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                https://reason.com/2022/07/07/biden-celebrates-90-billion-bailout-of-private-union-pension-plans/?comments=true#comment-9586502

                Wash, rinse, repeat.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  I laughed about you picking this habit up from Jeff. It doesn't lonk to your prior comments at all. Because you know you are lying about what you said a day or two ago lol.

        2. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Also those you claim are red wing here never cheer led spending under covid. That is more of the delusion you use to justify your leftist biases. Everyone criticized the spending. Some noted it was required of the government was forcing lockdowns as a taking. But nobody supported it shitbag. Nobody cheer led it.

          In fact it was your team that kept defending the government overbearing during covid. Attackokg those against lockdowns and masking. Attacking those stating effects on children and the economy. An example:

          https://reason.com/2021/08/30/alex-berenson-twitter-ban-vaccine-covid/?comments=true#comment-9074731

          I can also pull up you defending Australian covid camps.

          So fuck off you delusional lying leftist fuck.

          You've exposed yourself. Stop lying about it.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Right wing*

          2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            I don't recall a single Team Red cheerleader criticizing Trump's spending during COVID. You always had an excuse.

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              Yeah, terrible excuses like "the bill is unvetoable", or "Trump's refusing to sign the bill", or "He sent it back to Pelosi".

              It's like you can't remember two whole years ago when the media was shitting all over Trump for refusing to sign.

              1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                I remember the argument being not over spending, but over how much.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  So you can go provide some cites for the cheerleading no?

                  1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                    I'm not a loser who keeps a journal of comments from strangers online. So, no.

                    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      I guarantee nobody expects you could, but it'd be nice if you could at least remember some of your own.

                    2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      I remember what I say. I sure as fuck have no idea what you guys read. Seriously.
                      I say "The president doesn't control the economy" and get pages and pages of attacks against "The president has no influence whatsoever on the economy at all. Not a bit."
                      Then I am accused of being a liar when I quote myself.
                      JesseAz accuses me of being delusional. That example right there is someone being delusional alright. But it isn't me.

                    3. Ted   4 years ago

                      So, that’s a no?

                    4. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      No, I don't remember your delusional misinterpretations of what I say, no.

                    5. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      So the answer is no? You could easily Google for the PPP threads and see who was championing it. People like DoL. Not the people you call trump cultists.

                      But again, you know you are lying.

                    6. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      I also helpfully link to your past statements because you dont remember what you say drunk. You'll lie about what you said in the same fucking thread lol.

                  2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                    ML said "It's like you can't remember two whole years ago when the media was shitting all over Trump for refusing to sign."

                    I said "I remember the argument being not over spending, but over how much."

                    You say "So you can go provide some cites for the cheerleading no?"

                    What does that have to do with the conversation I was having with the Canadian who unlike you can sometimes not be an ass?

                    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      Is that the way this conversation went in your head?
                      Because I have never ever even once asked you for a citation. I don't need a citation to know that you watch way too much CNN.

                      Seriously, all you had to do was reread this thread, instead of relying on your delirium tremens, to find out what was actually said.

            2. JesseAz   4 years ago

              You didnt go into the threads then.

              And we already know your drunken memory is shit.

              1. Ted   4 years ago

                Yeah, he might really not remember. And in his defense, it’s not a lie if he believes it. Although he did really give a lot of cover to the democrats.

          3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            Wow dude. You really are retarded.

            Go ahead and bring up my comment about Australian quarantines.
            I mocked you and your girlfriends for saying they were concentration camps by pointing out that they were not places where people were being systematically killed. Rather they were places where sick people entered and well people left.
            I in no way justified the camps. All I did was point out how you are retarded.

            Please, post it. Show everyone how retarded you are.

            1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              Gosh, sounds lovely. Where they given jobs to do as well?

              1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                Rather they were places where sick people entered"

                75% had tested negative before incarnation and were being held because they may have been in contact with someone who'd had covid... and I'm pretty sure that you knew that.

                1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                  Sorry, Dlam, that was for sarcasmic.

                2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                  How many of them were exterminated? How many of them returned to have had all of their property taken by the government?

                  Yet you and the girls still call them concentration camps.

                  1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    Concentration camps don't require killing people retard.

                    They were rounded up even when testing negative. Taken out of their daily life and jailed. And you defended it.

                    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      "You defended it! Don't say you didn't! You defended it! I've got proof! You defended it! You still do! You still are! Don't say you're not! You're a liar! Liar! Liar! Leftist! Liar!"

                      Grow up. Fuck.

                    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      You grow up you callow little retard.

                      You're running around saying internment camps in are okay because they're only for the sick. Then when it's pointed out that most weren't sick, you say it's okay because they're not extermination camps.

                      That's the sort of sophistry one would except from a fifth-grader. Not a middle aged fry-cook/programmer.

                    3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      I say "They're not concentration camps. That's an insult to victims of such things. Nobody is being killed. No property is being taken. Stop calling them that."

                      You hear "I like concentration camps. Concentration camps are great. We should have more of them. Right here in the States. That's why I voted for Biden. Because I want concentration camps."

                      You guys are fucking delusional.

                    4. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      "They're not concentration camps... Nobody is being killed

                      You're an utter fucking idiot, concentration camps are not extermination camps.

                      This is your phony "Wop" etymology all over again. I've never seen someone misunderstand so much stuff as you.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment#Defining_internment_and_concentration_camp
                      "As a result, the term "concentration camp" is sometimes conflated with the concept of an "extermination camp"

                      Some concentration/internment camps can become extermination camps, but not in 95% of cases. It's like your saying all prisons are execution chambers so we shouldn't call the country lockup "jail".

                      Educate yourself on extermination camps and the difference here:
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

                      Before you lecture us next time learn what the hell we're talking about, sarcasmic.

                    5. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Do you want the link sarc. Because it is you defending them as only quarantine camps. No comments about them being bad. You attacking those against rounding people up.

                      Do you want to keep claiming you weren't defending them?

                  2. R Mac   4 years ago

                    Are you claiming that it’s not a concentration camp unless the people concentrated in a camp are murdered?

                    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      He's trying to conflate internment and concentration camps with extermination camps, in order to minimize the Aussie camps significance.

                  3. Minadin   4 years ago

                    I don't think anyone has to be exterminated to label something a concentration camps. There were plenty of internment camps across German controlled territory where people were not systematically murdered, which would correctly be referred to as 'concentration camps'.

                    The camps the US had for the Japanese Americans, we call them 'internment camps' now - I don't believe they even used that term back then - and only to differentiate them from the 'concentration camps' the Germans had. But they were still camps where we concentrated a group of socio-political 'others' to keep an eye on them and make sure they didn't cause trouble.

                    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Weren't they called "concentration camps" because of the number of people concentrated into one place? As in squalid, disgusting conditions that would be considered animal cruelty if done to livestock?
                      My only argument has been that using the term 'concentration camp' for involuntary quarantine is a mockery of actual concentration camps.
                      Only a retard would interpret that to mean support for what the Australian government was doing.

                    2. Minadin   4 years ago

                      Concentrating the Jews in one place, against their will, by force

                      is like

                      Concentrating the Japanese-Americans in one place, against their will, by force

                      is like

                      Concentrating non-sick citizens in one place, against their will, by force

                      In most cases, the people who were thrown in the 'quarantine camps' were at little to no actual risk of contracting covid or spreading it to others, they just had ignored the government's absurd lockdowns and mandates and were punished.

                      Did you know that many of the camps were (highly) disproportionately interring aborigines?

                    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Sarc i will ask again before I link. Is that truly your claim. That you weren't attacking others against the Australian camps? That it was just about word choice? Think carefully here.

            2. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Note to retard. Concentration camps don't require mass killings.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    And given the DHS's two-decade history of mission creep and its pervasive lack of accountability...

    The fact that it was conceived of in the first place should tell you who was planning to curb speech.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      Yep. Republicans, when they regain power, right?

      1. BigT   4 years ago

        Using Jedi mind tricks they tricked the Donkeys into proposing this department so they could use it when the got power.

  5. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

    Regarding the Highland park shooting. They have finally released some details. 83 rounds fired from an open/iron sight M&P. Two mag changes, all in as rapid fire as possible. 7 kills and 30+ wounded puts a hit percent greater than 45% on moving targets. Am I the only one who finds that to be a little too good?

    1. Brian   4 years ago

      Surprise attack on a crowd from above.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

        A disadvatange to spray and pray style shooting as the downward angle reduces the odds of hitting further targets. A reason why hunters are required to hunt from an elevated position in high density areas.

        1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

          Adults who fail to produce offspring who are responsible and productive should be sterilized. OTOH, that would eliminate Planned Barrenhood altogether.

    2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      There is a reason why having the high ground is so important.

    3. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Fish in a barrel.

    4. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      Most targets weren't moving, they were sitting and watching the parade. People didn't react immediately to the sound of gunshots because it was the 4th of July and you expect fireworks, to a degree.

      1. HorseConch   4 years ago

        Plus, a moving person in a crowd is nothing like a deer in a full sprint. What was the distance shot?

    5. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 years ago

      Meanwhile, still no concrete information on what mind-warping drugs this fucko is pumped up full of.

      More of us really need to be asking the same question that for some reason it seems like only Tucker Carlson is asking: whether it may in fact be the pharmaceutical companies and the venal, corrupt doctors and schools working in conjunction with them who are primary responsible for turning way too many of our boys and young men into murderous psychopaths.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

        They are only responsible for the opioid epidemic. All their other products are safe and effective.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          They saved 6 billion people during covid!!!!

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        You forgot step 1: telling young men that they are morally and ethically wrong just for existing, that they must reject any feelings they find natural, because other peoples' feelings are more important, and watching society (and law) promote all other groups ahead of them.

        1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

          He wore female attire to hide in the crowd, proving that screaming "toxic masculinity" to boys aint too bright

          1. HorseConch   4 years ago

            Careful, OBL will be by soon to let you know that LadyDick isn't the problem here.

          2. mpercy   4 years ago

            The first image of him popped up on news right when I had turned it on...my brain said "Who is this transexual carny 'girl' and why is she on my TV?"

        2. Claptrap   4 years ago

          We've always had these sorts of people. Why they've decided to gravitate towards spree killing instead of suicide, serial murder, etc is really what we need to get a handle on.

          1. Dillinger   4 years ago

            fame! I wanna live forever.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

              Seriously: how many of these events could be prevented if media simply declined to report (let alone sensationalize) them?

      3. Claptrap   4 years ago

        The devil weed is to blame. Expect the GOP to go back to all-in on the War on Drugs any day now.

    6. soldiermedic76   4 years ago

      Not really. So figure the road is 5 meters, sidewalks 2 meters a piece, shooting from the first story, so say 2 meters, a^2+b^2=c^2. So, 81+4=85. Square root of 85 is 9 meters and change. So, he was firing at under 10 meters with a rifle into a crowd. He actually didn't do very well at all. At ten meters it should be damn near automatic with a rifle.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

        I would figure a little further. Main streets are usally pretty tight, so definately less than 100 yard. Probably in 20-50 yard range. I would give more and 6 ft for a rooftop. I need a 20ft ladder to reach my 1st story porch roof. Not 100% analogous but I've seen many hunters miss an entire deer standing still at 30 yards with a scoped rifle.

    7. ThomasD   4 years ago

      " a hit percent greater than 45% on moving targets. Am I the only one who finds that to be a little too good?"

      High probability that some of those rounds scored multiple hits. I doubt he was shooting straight down, more likely something like 45 to 60 degrees.

      Also are all the wounded actual gunshot victims, or does that number include people trampled or otherwise hurt during the event?

  6. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The law won't take effect until next summer, so it won't do much to alleviate current labor supply issues.

    Show those would-be teen employees what procrastination really looks like.

    1. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

      The important thing is it will take effect as natural factors do all the work so they can take credit.

      1. BigT   4 years ago

        It works for Global Warming.

  7. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "The United Nations estimates that the war in Ukraine has driven 71 million people worldwide into poverty"

    Excellent news from a Koch / Reason libertarian perspective. That's 71 million people who would love to immigrate to the US and provide cost-effective labor for our billionaire benefactor Charles Koch.

    #WarIsGoodBecauseItCreatesRefugees
    #CheapLaborAboveAll

  8. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

    Right-wingers: This Disinformation Governance Board is LITERALLY the Ministry of Truth come to life! It must be shut down immediately!
    Also right-wingers: Why doesn't Biden do more to tell migrants not to come here? Huh?

    1. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

      Swing and a miss!

    2. Brian   4 years ago

      Clearly, the only way to disincentivize immigration is with a totally new Disinformation Governance Board.
      You know a new Board with a title like that will be lazer-focused on immigration issues.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-immigration-media-europe-misinformation-4e873389889bb1d9e2ad8659d9975e9d

        A newly formed Disinformation Governance Board announced Wednesday will immediately begin focusing on misinformation aimed at migrants, a problem that has helped to fuel sudden surges at the U.S. southern border in recent years. Human smugglers often spread misinformation around border policies to drum up business.

        1. JimboJr   4 years ago

          "Well, if the memo promised the board wouldn't be bad, how could anyone argue with that?" - Boehm

          In case that sarcasm didnt get through to you, what he was saying is "only retarded partisans would buy the official line on the DGB"

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

            Yes yes I know. When Team Blue does something good (from Team Red's perspective), it's actually bad with bad motives, therefore it's bad.

            1. JimboJr   4 years ago

              "When Team Blue does something good"

              You live in a world where the DGB was "something good".

              Did you start day drinking Jeff? This is a pretty retarded take

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                From Team Red's perspective? Absolutely, it was in part an attempt to tell migrants not to come here. This is what Team Red wants, right?

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  Lol. Jeff is gullible or gaslighting.

                  1. Sevo   4 years ago

                    Jeff is a lying and stupid pile of lefty shit.

                    1. BigT   4 years ago

                      That, too.

                2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

                  ^ You and your lefty ilk are obsessed with conflating legal and illegal immigration and pretending you are all for illegal immigration.

                  NO ONE has done more to fight illegal immigration than democrat administrations, with Obama's being the most ardent.

                  You dumbasses fell for the 'upgrade the fence to a wall' rhetoric like it was some kind of new anti-immigration sentiment that only a racist Orange Man could come up with.

            2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

              It would be funny to watch a partisan judge policies without knowing the team of origin. They'd be all looking around for cues as to who the idea came from. What would be even funnier would be how they'd justify changing their answers when told an idea they agreed with was from the other team. Even funnier than that would be how they'd justify changing their answers yet again when told the policies they just found a reason to vehemently disagree with were really from their team. I bet some heads would literally explode.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                This has already happened. A little while ago, when ObamaCare was all the rage, there were several polls that came out that most people supported individual components of it, but only when they weren't told which party did it or that it was a part of ObamaCare. When they were told it was from ObamaCare, then they opposed it.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  You two are prime examples of team politics. But your delusional natures refuse to let you see that.

                  1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                    Team politics according to JesseAz:

                    Say something critical about Team Red and "YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN YOU WANTED THIS IT'S YOUR FAULT AAAUUUGHHH!"

                    Say something critical about both Teams and "BOFF SIDEZ! YOU'RE REALLY ON TEAM BLUE!"

                    Say something critical about Team Blue and "Good comment! Very thoughtful! +100"

                    Yet he's not partisan. No way.

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      No. Team politics would be going into a roundup threat and claiming presidents have no effect on the economy because the article was critical of Biden. After years of claiming everything trump did was negative om the economy. Saying any criticism of the economy was good economy my team, bad your team despite multipleisted examples of why Bidens administration has had a negative effect on the economy.

                      Like you just did a day or two ago.

                      You two are so far fuckong gone youre basically resorting to projection.

                      Everyone here has criticized policies on both sides except you two.

                      I mean if you jumped in to defend jeff defending this board. Lol.

                      Please sarc. Keep digging this hole buddy.

                    2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Wow dude. Literally everything you attributed to me was a lie, or a result of the retardation you call logic.

                      For example I said "The president doesn't control the economy."

                      You then say "Team politics would be going into a roundup threat and claiming presidents have no effect on the economy because the article was critical of Biden."

                      I say "doesn't control" and you argue against "has no effect."

                      As usual I can't tell if you're dishonest or retarded. Not that the two are mutually exclusive.

                    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Except when I stated you were wrong, they have an effect on it with prime examples of what policies you attacked those examples as team politics dumbass.

                      Youre so delusional at this point. You really have an honesty problem.

                    4. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      I mean you even admit here that you didn't go into to the thread to agree with the criticism but deflect it that he doesn't have full control lol. You couldn't outright criticize his policies. You had to deflect and defend. That was your first fucking impulse.

                      You understand that right?

                    5. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Let's walk down what you just admitted to doing sarc.

                      Reason has an article critical of bidens economy.

                      You create the strawman that nobody controls the economy. A claim not made in the article.

                      You then claim anyone who says differently is playing team politics, setting up an attack at anyone who further criticizes biden.

                      I post actual examples of Biden policies have a negative effect on the economy, same as the original claims in the article, and you attack those claims as being right wing.

                      Lol.

                      So please keep defending your actions sarc.

                    6. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Hey retard. "Control" and "influence" are two different words.

                      I said the president does not control the economy.

                      I agreed that the president can of course influence the economy.

                      But keep on being a retard.

                    7. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      A claim not made in the article.

                      I was responding to a comment, not the article. Get a clue, retard.

                    8. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Again. You defended criticism with a strawman to deflect away from him.

                      Are you this delusional?

                    9. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      I made a throwaway comment to someone who looked to be giving way too much credit to the president's influence over the economy (regardless of which president it is), and you read all that out of it?

                      There's only one delusional person here, and it's not me.

                    10. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                      Reason writer, Eric Boehm, especially, wanted all of Biden’s policies. He moved to Virginia just to ensure Biden would be elected there.

                      None of the above is true, but it is still Trump Mean Girls canon.

                      Joe Biden created the world’s largest team of election fraud perpetrators.

                      Also, not true, but it is MAGA canon.

                      Remember, you can do wonders by taking quotes out of context!

                    11. R Mac   4 years ago

                      But not as much as you can do by making up quotes from scratch.

                2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                  Police reform was a good idea until Democrats backed it. Now all proposals must be mocked and derided because anything else would be agreeing with the other team. You know what happens to enemy sympathizers, don't you?

                  1. damikesc   4 years ago

                    Well, we have seen what Dem police reforms tend to lead to (and that the worst police abuses tend to occur in cities run by Dems for decades).

                    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Defunding was dumb. Refusing to enforce the law was dumb.

                      QI reform was on the table for a little while, but it became a bad idea once Democrats backed it.
                      Don't you remember how, while the left was considering QI reform, how right-tards in the comments would mock and deride the idea whenever there was an article on the subject? I do.

                    2. damikesc   4 years ago

                      No, I do not. Can you cite any examples of "righties" being in defense of QI?

                    3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Can you cite any examples of "righties" being in defense of QI?

                      Remember comments like these?

                      "Oh, QI wouldn't have mattered here so reform is stupid!"
                      "Eliminating QI will result in tons of frivolous lawsuits so reform is stupid!"

                      Attacking people who want to reform QI may as well be a defense.

                    4. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      "Cops won't be able to do their jobs if they're constantly worried about being sued!"

                      "You think it's a magic bullet, and it's not! That's stupid! It won't fix everything, so why bother at all?"

                      Seriously? You don't remember that?

                    5. R Mac   4 years ago

                      Interesting way to cite.

                    6. damikesc   4 years ago

                      "Remember comments like these?

                      "Oh, QI wouldn't have mattered here so reform is stupid!"
                      "Eliminating QI will result in tons of frivolous lawsuits so reform is stupid!"

                      Attacking people who want to reform QI may as well be a defense."

                      No, I do not remember these. At all.

                  2. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    Is this where you ignore Trump was cheered for passing First Step. Aka criminal reform? And claim if people don't support the Soros backed prosecutors are against all reform now? That their policies of releasing people on no bail even for violent crimes such as the Wisconsin parade killer are not good ideas?

                    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      https://reason.com/2022/07/07/biden-celebrates-90-billion-bailout-of-private-union-pension-plans/?comments=true#comment-9586825

                      "Defunding was dumb. Refusing to enforce the law was dumb."

                      That's like three comments up and over an hour ago. Yet you still ask those stupid questions. It's almost as if you don't care what I say and you instead argue with the voices in your head.

                    2. damikesc   4 years ago

                      Sarc, why no links with your citations earlier?

                    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      He can only link to statements in the same thread. And if you link his past statements from older threads youre a liar.

                3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

                  Sure. Parts they liked included keeping their doctors. Parts they did not like included paying more in premiums and in taxes.

                  Your turn.

                4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 years ago

                  Wow. You guys are like, super smart and stuff.

                5. mpercy   4 years ago

                  Sure, individual items, but it was like a Snickers bar in a bucket of dog turds and you've got to eat the whole bucket or nothing at all.

                6. BigT   4 years ago

                  No, it was when they were told that they were going to pay for it themselves that they rejected that POS. Hiding that, making it a freebie, completely distorts people's perspective.

              2. mpercy   4 years ago

                Stephen Crowder did this quite a bit. Told people on the street (usually on a college campus) some quote and said that Trump said it. Wait for the predictable response then say, "Oh wait, sorry, that was Pres. Obama who said that." Spluttering ensues.

            3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

              Yes yes I know. When Team Blue does something good (from Team Red's perspective), it's actually bad with bad motives, therefore it's bad.

              Dude, literally everything Team Blue does it bad. Doesn't matter what it is. All you need to know is which team it's from. That's how you judge policies and ideas. Don't need to know the idea or anything about it. Just the source. That's all you need to know to determine its merit.

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                And you claim you aren't pure team politics above with your team strawmanning here.

                Youre fucking broken.

                Understand you through your hat into teaming aoth the biggest leftist shit here, someone defending the DGB. And you're defending him on it below.

                Youre broken. This is why people call you a leftist.

                1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                  I'd really enjoy watching your head explode while being forced to judge policy ideas without knowing which Team proposed them.
                  And then changing your responses once you learned of the source.
                  And changing them again when told the source really someone else.

                  "I can't tell if it's a good idea or not! I don't know if it's my team or the other team! I'm afraid I'm going to approve of something from the enemy! I can't do this! Stop it! Aaauuugghhh!"

                  1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    Except I've criticized both sides in the last month you retarded fuck. I have principles. You have delusions.

                    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      I haven't seen it. All I see from you is lies and retardation.

                    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Go look at the red flag law passage article dumbass.

                      You have the memory of a chronic drunk.

                    3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      I don't scroll through all the comments, furiously taking notes. Sorry dude, but I have a life outside of Reason.

                    4. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      So you made an assertion from ignorance but were so sure you were right when you were wrong.

                      Typical.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

          Doesn't help that the biggest source of disinformation regarding 'immigration' is the Biden admin. Its not like the masses at the southern boarder are wearing Biden tshirts or anything.

        3. Ted   4 years ago

          Jeff, I know you’re disappointed that you won’t have your information government approved. You could have had Biden tell you everything you’re allowed to think, and not to think. That would have been paradise for you.

          Maybe you should go back to Trudeau’s paradise.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        And no, a DGB is not the *only* way to tell migrants not to come here.

        But the point is, when Biden actually tried to do what right-wingers demanded of him, they instead twisted it into a MINISTRY OF TRUTH and demanded it be shut down.

        Right-wingers: Hey Biden, do more to tell migrants not to come here!
        Biden: Okay, try this.
        Right-wingers: Not that! That is totally terrible! Shut it down!
        Biden: Okay, I'll shut it down.
        Right-wingers: Hey Biden, do more to tell migrants not to come here!

        repeat as needed

        1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

          And no, a DGB is not the *only* way to tell migrants not to come here.

          But the point is, when Biden actually tried to do what right-wingers demanded of him, they instead twisted it into a MINISTRY OF TRUTH and demanded it be shut down.

          Do you not see how your first sentence contradicts your second?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

            No, it doesn't.

            A DGB is not the *only* way. But it was *one* way, and right-wingers never even acknowledged that.

            1. JimboJr   4 years ago

              its probably the *worst* way to do it, and there would have been significant collateral damage

              I can kill a single roach by putting a tent over the house and fumigating, but it completely fucks my house up for a bit and there are now noxious chemicals everywhere.

              So ya, going forward with one of the worst possible ideas was a bad idea

            2. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

              And Hitler addressed the poverty problem by stealing from the Jews. When people complained that they didn't want THIS, they refused to acknowledge that he was actually handling the problem.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                lol DGB was nowhere near Nazi levels of evil. Team Red knows that, but they magnified it into this Orwellian monster anyway.

                1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

                  It's called an analogy, see. The purpose was to address that, just because something is being done in response to a problem, it doesn't mean that response is a good thing.

                  If your solution to the problem of frequent flooding is to sacrifice a virgin to Poseidon, I'm not going to applaud you for at least trying to be helpful.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                    but it wasn't Nazi, it wasn't "sacrificing a virgin", it was nothing like that. It was a flawed attempt to, in part, address a right-wing concern. And you see what happened.

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      No it wasn't you lying shitbag. The claims were to fight foreign meddling in elections. Everyone involved cited that, not immigration issues you retarded fuck.

                      Remember, this is the same party still claiming russia stole the 2016 elections.

                      Why do you think you can freely gaslight here?

                    2. Brian   4 years ago

                      You don’t create a new Ministry of Truth without creating a Ministry of Truth.

                      I’m sorry you think whatever their ostensible first objective is captures the entire idea, but that’s a false characterization.

                    3. R Mac   4 years ago

                      Lying Jeffy claims the Biden administration created the Ministry of Truth for the benefit of people concerned with illegal immigration. Why? Because the Ministry of Truth told him so.

                      Fucking idiot.

                    4. Dariush   4 years ago

                      Did you learn nothing from the creation of the Department of Homeland Security?

                      Libertarians: The DHS will be used to curtail American citizens rights.
                      CuntJeff: What, you don’t want to stop terrorists from attacking the homeland?
                      Libertarians: They say that but eventually it will be used against us.
                      CuntJeff: Nuh Uh! It’s right there in the name! You partisan hack!

                2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                  lol DGB was nowhere near Nazi levels of evil.

                  Yeah, it's commie levels of evil, which is why it got mocked as the Ministry of Truth.

            3. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

              So to apply this logic elsewhere, implementing criminal justice reform by deputizing klansmen with Judge Dredd levels of authority is one way of doing reform and Democrats won't even try it out and acknowledge the plan as a good attempt. Are you truly this stupid or is pushing leftist propaganda just a hobby of yours?

        2. Brian   4 years ago

          Nazis: I’ve got an idea: we’re going to establish the Jewish Solution Board. In this memo, we outline its first objective: handing out these little yellow stars!

          1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

            You beat me to the Godwin on this one.

        3. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Jeff. Why are you misrepresenting the memo. They came out and directly discussed the DHS board going after foreign voter disinformation. Not immigration misinformation. Both Mayorkas and Jankowitz stated directly the board was to fight election misinformation such as in Spanish news stations.

          Youre just fucking lying here.

          1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

            https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/lawmakers-say-documents-show-dhs-head-misled-congress-about

            “Responding to a question from a reporter ‘Will American citizens be monitored?’ Secretary Mayorkas responded unequivocally ‘No,’ adding that ‘We at the Department of Homeland Security don’t monitor American citizens,’” the letter said. “He went on to suggest the Board would be concentrating on foreign threats – ’addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries [and] from the cartels.’ Yet talking points prepared by Ms. Jankowicz, the Board’s then–Executive Director appear to show that the Department does in fact monitor American citizens and that the Board’s work is concentrated on domestic threats.”

            The documents also give evidence that the federal agency has been working on the disinformation board longer than Mayorkas let on in his testimony.

            “At the May 4 hearing, Secretary Mayorkas testified that the Board ‘has not yet begun its work,’” the letter said. “Yet the documents indicate the Secretary had stood up the Board on February 24, 2022 – more than two months earlier. The Board’s charter, signed by the Secretary, required the Board meet ‘regularly’ and ‘no less than once per quarter.’ Another document dated only six days before Secretary Mayorkas appeared before the Committee provides preparatory materials for a meeting between Under Secretary for Policy Robert Silvers and Twitter. The document was prepared by Ms. Nina Jankowicz in her capacity as ‘Executive Director DHS Disinformation Governance Board,’ clearly evidencing that the Board had already begun its work.”

        4. BigT   4 years ago

          Trump did it properly - he put the fear of prosecution, deportation, and jail into them. And he saved hundreds, maybe thousands of illegal immigrant lives. Genius!

    3. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Both of these things are not like the other.

      1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

        This was incoherent, actually.

    4. JimboJr   4 years ago

      Apparently you can actually just say "hey migrants, stop fucking coming" and NOT have loose border policy without making an Orwellian govt agency run by someone who is a blatant partisan and purveyor of misinformation herself.

      Or do you think as a libertarian one should push for more wasteful govt bureaucracy run by naked partisans? Is that the libertarian case?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        Oh, so the only problems with the DGB were the name and the director? Okay, so let's put Stephen Miller in charge and rename the board to "Tell Migrants Not To Come Here Board". You happy with it now?

        1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

          That's exactly not what he said. You can read a line off a teleprompter. Who the fuck needs a board?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

            You can read a line off a teleprompter.

            Okay, he did that.

            https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-migrants-dont-abc-news-exclusive-interview/story?id=76490159

            But they keep coming. Now what?

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              And yet he also told all immigration courts to stop prosecuting illegal immigrants.

              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-administration-quietly-erasing-immigration-court-caseload-de-facto-amnesty

              What do immigrants care about more, a 6 second news clip or the actions of his office?

              Youre such a leftist lying fuck.

              1. damikesc   4 years ago

                Also vowed to offer illegals free health care.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  And providing them legal fees for their attorneys.

            2. BigT   4 years ago

              You forgot that for months during the campaign SloJo kept saying he wanted a tsunami of immigrants. His mealy-mouthed statements recently are nothing by comparison, and were not widely reported.

          2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

            He doesn't have the name radical statist for no reason

        2. JimboJr   4 years ago

          No stephen miller is an asshole, and I dont want a new govt board created to waste taxpayer money that has potential for overreach

          But im, you know, and actual libertarian.

          Any of this getting through?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

            No no, Stephen Miller is a TRUE HERO and a PATRIOT who is saving this country from the GREAT MIGRANT CARAVAN INVASION!!

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Cite one person here ever lionizing Miller.

              Cite?

              1. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

                Careful Jesse, Jeff would cite his own post just to prove you wrong.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  He does that often. Sarc has picked up on that idiotic tactic too.

                  1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                    That poor idiot will naturally pick up the stupidest shit, but getting him to identify basic fallacies correctly is like teaching him neuroscience.

                2. American Mongrel   4 years ago

                  sounds like proof that Jeff is actually boehm.

              2. BigT   4 years ago

                JesseAz - why do you engage this guy when he is deranged? It's like wrestling with a pig in the mud; you get dirty and the pig loves it.

            2. MK Ultra   4 years ago

              You are more retarded than normal this morning.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                It’s going on about two weeks of Lying Jeffy being completely unhinged. I hope someone in his life is checking in on him.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  I probably am partially to blame.

                  1. R Mac   4 years ago

                    Oh if Jeffy’s got a list, you’re number one.

            3. R Mac   4 years ago

              WTF are you even talking about? You’ve gotten completely delusional.

        3. Brian   4 years ago

          If you created something like a board responsible for legal immigration, I think they’d be happy.

          But we already have that, don’t we?

    5. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      Are you aware of just how many things have been labeled "Russian Disinformation" in the past 6 years? Having that as a stated goal means they can fight the "lab leak" theory. They can suppress any information that COVID vaccines may cause myocarditis. They can suppress the actual results of the Cyber Ninjas audit on the Arizona election, limiting it just to the headlines. They can shut down anyone asking if Feds were entrapping people into plotting to kidnap Governor Whitmer.

      And if you don't think DHS has a strong interest in shutting down conversations where people are questioning if the Feds are committing entrapment, you're exactly the kind of useful idiot this shit is aimed at.

      1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

        Oh, and Hunter Biden's laptop was a complete fraud, too. Complete disinformation, certainly Russian, promoted by bot activity.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Lying Jeffy accepts the words of TOP MEN, so when 100 IC agents all say Hunter’s laptop is Russian disinformation, then obviously, Hunter’s laptop is Russian disinformation.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        I am not defending the DGB. I also think it is a bad idea. I am just pointing out typical right-wing hypocrisy when Biden actually does something that they demand of him, they bite his hand over it.

        1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

          I am not defending the DGB

          Then what the fuck are you complaining about, again?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

            I am just pointing out typical right-wing hypocrisy when Biden actually does something that they demand of him, they bite his hand over it.

            1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

              But you don't think there should be a DGB, right? So you're happy with this result?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                *I* am happy, yes. But at the same time, I am also not the one who thinks Biden should be "doing more" to tell migrants not to come here.

                So if you think Biden should be "doing more" to tell migrants not to come here, but you think the DGB is an Orwellian nightmare, tell us what you think Biden should do.

                1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

                  So conservatives actually called out something you disagree with, but your big take-away is "Republicans Pounce!"

                  1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                    I believe his point is that when Biden does something the right-wing wants, that the right will still hate it because they hate him.

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      The right wing never wanted a ministry of truth you lying leftist fuck.

                    2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Great job of refuting something I never said, you trumpian lying fuck.

                    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      Youre defending jeff saying it retard. You understand that right?

                      His claim is in no way logical but you sought out a way to tey to help him. Lol.

                      Jeff in fact is saying thats what the right wing wanted above. To fight misinformation. Nobody om the right ever said that.

                      So yes, jeff did say that. Then you jumped in to try to help him.

                    4. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Dude, your skills at deductive logic are nonexistent. You should really stop trying.

                    5. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      So you didn't jump om to try and help jeff here sarc? Are you truly that delusional?

                      Answer honestly.

                      Is Jeff's assertion the DGB was going to accomplish something the right asked for a true assertion or not sarc?

                    6. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      I mean are you honestly going to try to say you weren't attempting to defend jeff with this post? Because you're "helpful clarification" is as retarded as Jeff's original claim.

                      Again. Your claim is "something the right wing wants" in your post. It is not something they have ever campaigned on.

                      Are you honestly this delusional?

                    7. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      You can't see the forest because all those damn trees are in the way.

                    8. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      You can't see what you actually wrote.

                      You can't even say jeff is wrong in his assertion because you feel a need to defend your BF.

                    9. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                      Here's what I said:

                      "I believe his point is that when Biden does something the right-wing wants, that the right will still hate it because they hate him."

                      That's it. That's all I said. All those other things you are arguing against exist only in your head.

                      And is he wrong? If Biden did do something you wanted, would you give him credit? Could you? I don't think you could. I think you would oppose it, whatever it is, as a matter of principle. You'd put a gun to your head and squeeze the trigger before uttering the words "Biden was correct."

                    10. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      And here is my point. The right wing never wanted government to determine truth you retarded fuck. Stop defending jeff and by application defending it as well.

                  2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

                    Jeff is a fucking idiot.

                    1. Ted   4 years ago

                      He really brings the rest of us together, doesn’t he? So he does have some slight turd nugget of usefulness.

                  3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                    No no. Tell us what you think Biden should do to tell migrants not to come here.

                    I contend that it doesn't actually matter what Biden does, Republicans will "pounce" on it and blow it up into the next Orwellian nightmare, and then complain that he isn't doing enough to fix the problem.

                    1. JimboJr   4 years ago

                      Speak into the camera, very clearly.

                      "Do not come here, stop coming here, if you come in illegally you will be deported, period" and actually enforce this policy.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                      He's done that. He's done all that. But that is not good enough for you, and you'll continue to call him an open-borders fanatic.

                    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      He has also began dismissing c ases through forced prosecutorial discretion, a de facto amnesty.

                      But jeff once again is either completely ignorant or gaslighting.

                    4. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

                      Prosecute and return home those attempting to violate the law instead of telling the Border Patrol and courts to stand down. You will believe any lie told to you by a Democrat but consistently ignore the actions taken.

                    5. Nardz   4 years ago

                      "Tell us what you think Biden should do to tell migrants not to come here."

                      Deport illegals, take away welfare benefits, reinstate stay in Mexico policy, increase border security.
                      Pretty basic stuff.

                    6. JimboJr   4 years ago

                      "He's done that. He's done all that."

                      You forgot my "and actually enforce that policy" part. Which is the most important part. And he absolutely has not, you lying gaslighter

                    7. damikesc   4 years ago

                      "He's done that. He's done all that."

                      He has not enforced the policy for shit. He buses them into the interior of the USA. Which is why conservative states are now sending them to Delaware and DC. They want them bad enough, they can pay for them.

                    8. R Mac   4 years ago

                      He just fought against remain in Mexico at the Supreme Court. What message do you suppose that sends?

                2. R Mac   4 years ago

                  This is insane Jeffy. Seek help.

            2. JimboJr   4 years ago

              Your failure to see that he was trying to "solve" a problem (no one actually believes that) by creating an agency that would cause many more problems.

              If Trump offered the left wingers to "fix the environment" but his plans ended up dumping nuclear waste in black neighborhoods, I would expect them to give some pushback on this despite him "doing what they want"

              Seriously, you OK today? You are either being extremely obtuse, disingenuous, or are drunk

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                No but he was. Nearly everything Biden has done has been to restrict migration. And for his efforts he gets called an open-borders fanatic.

                Team Red simply does not live in reality on this issue.

                1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                  And again jeff fucking lies about Biden and the border. He has not done everything he can to restrict immigration.

                  Dropping court cases. Midnight flights around the country, ending all EOs signed by trump that were restricting it, fighting title 42 on court.

                  Youre just a lying shit weasel.

                2. R Mac   4 years ago

                  This is why everyone calls you dishonest.

                  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-biden-end-trump-era-remain-mexico-policy-rcna32187

            3. JesseAz   4 years ago

              The right wing didn't demand he create the board you retarded fuck.

        2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   4 years ago

          I don’t think you understand that you are the hypocrite here. And, of course, the dumbass

        3. Overt   4 years ago

          "I am not defending the DGB."

          This is almost your most disingenuous take yet. For the record, you have been in comments for the past 4 months stating that the DGB wasn't as bad as everyone says. You and I spent hours with you arguing that I ought to give them the benefit of the doubt when people associated with the board said that the DGB was created precisely to counter the types of partisan news campaigns that ultimately got it paused.

          " I am just pointing out typical right-wing hypocrisy when Biden actually does something that they demand of him, "

          But this...This is your most disingenuous take yet. No republican asked Joe Biden to setup a board focused on countering "disinformation campaigns" from abroad. If Biden went to the border and shot every migrant coming across the river, would you say, "See republicans, he is stopping illegals, why the complaints?"

          There is nothing hypocritical or wrong about saying that they don't want an orwellian over-reach of power, even if it may ostensibly address some other thing that they dislike.

        4. JesseAz   4 years ago

          You are 100% defending the DGB. As you have been since its inception.

        5. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

          You have over a dozen posts explicitly defending the board in this thread. JFC how do you even have the brainpower to inhale?

        6. damikesc   4 years ago

          "I am not defending the DGB. "

          You have been referring to the complaints as overblown and not giving them benefit of the doubt since it was first learned of.

          Maybe you need to define what you think "defending" is.

      3. JimboJr   4 years ago

        "Are you aware of just how many things have been labeled "Russian Disinformation" in the past 6 years?"

        Some things were labeled so by the appointed DGB head herself, incorrectly, and purposefully.

        Libertarians for openly corrupt wasteful govt boards?

      4. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        I don’t think you want to die on the hill of sticking up for anything Cyber Ninjas did. Your argument would have been much stronger leaving them out.

    6. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Logic isn't youre forte is it.

      1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        If i can follow correctly this dumbass chemdude is trying to argue that the new Disinformation Governance Board is actually some kind of effort to curb illegal immigration, and he not only believes that, but he's defending it's existence for that reason? Am I reading this madness correctly?

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          They openly stated the board was to help misinformation and fight foreign interference in elections. They never mentioned immigration as the impetus for the board. But jeff is such a lying fuck he think he can just rewrite history and nobody will notice.

          And then you have sarc defending him like the happy little nut hugger he has become as they both tilt at the evil windmills of the right like they are Don Quixote joined in battle.

          It is just embarrassing at this point.

          1. JimboJr   4 years ago

            I think he is having some sort of tantrum and his argumentation is next level bad/disingenuous today

            Tony level gaslighting with Sqrsly level argumentation. Its hard to watch

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              Tony level gaslighting with Sqrsly level argumentation.

              That's an apt description.

              Maybe they assigned a new Jeff to the sock?

              1. Ted   4 years ago

                Like how there was a new Number 2 in each episode of The Prisoner?

    7. R Mac   4 years ago

      Seriously Jeffy, you should take a break from this place. It’s broken your brain, and you’re embarrassing yourself.

      1. Ted   4 years ago

        He’s also been working hard trying to complete his LBO of NAMBLA. He’s taking them in a new direction. With his ‘open borders for sexual predators ‘ plan. Which is full endorsed by the Biden administration and the DNC. Heck they’re even taking care of the abortions for the underaged girls!

        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/07/nolte-biden-admin-flies-illegal-alien-minors-out-of-texas-for-abortions/

        So our Jeffy has really been burning the candle at both ends.

    8. Dariush   4 years ago

      Whah whah!

  9. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    His position atop the party became untenable in recent days as a flurry of resignations called into question Johnson's handling of a sexual misconduct scandal involving a Tory lawmaker.

    "Keen for a pinch and a spot of whipping, guv'na?"

    -Deputy Chief Whip Chris Pincher

  10. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The Federal Reserve is preparing to raise interest rates by another 0.5 percent or 0.75 percent when its board meets later this month.

    Whip Inflation Now.

    Now being later this month. And not really.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      What’s the rush?

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        After all, it’s Putin’s fault, so what’s the federal reserve got to do with it?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

          By whipping, they mean convincing just enough voters before November that inflation had nothing to do with any Democratic policy, and Joltin' Joe has done everything he can (to blame all the usual socialist scapegoats).

  11. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    Hey Peanuts isn't this Biden economy amazing? Liberal capitalist Jeff Bezos made $903 million yesterday. I didn't make quite that much, but I'm also a liberal capitalist which allows me to celebrate other people's accomplishments as if they were my own.

    #TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug

  12. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Wayne M. Garvin faces 13 months in prison after being convicted of evading taxes for at least five of his 26 years as a manager in the Philadelphia office of the IRS' Taxpayer Advocate Service.

    Filthacrapia's Ron Swanson.

  13. JimboJr   4 years ago

    "Well, if the memo promised the board wouldn't be bad, how could anyone argue with that? "

    NYT showing they are fully comfortable with being useful idiots, not questioning the govt narrative in any way. No shame in it whatsoever.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      They will respect you in the morning.

    2. Illocust   4 years ago

      Is the NYT a useful idiot, or do they just see no issue with a burecrat who already agrees with them wielding government power to suppress speech they don't like?

      1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

        Yup. Odds were it would only benefit them by identifying things that NYT doesn't like-such as a project Veritas-as Russian propaganda.

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        The nyt is known to be scum. Remember their pulitzer winning story about ho the polocks invaded nazi Germany? Or how holomodore was a great agricultural success?

        1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

          It's bolsheviks all the way down...

      3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        ^ @illocust Yes.

      4. damikesc   4 years ago

        "Is the NYT a useful idiot"

        Idiot? Yes.
        Useful? If you do not own birds, I fail to see how.

    3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      They are the new Pravda, no question about it.

    4. R Mac   4 years ago

      I just hope ENB starts doing the roundup again soon so she can share their wisdom.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Depends on how her interview at the Times turns out.

  14. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

    That union pension bailout is going to be a train wreck. Some of these plans were robbed by union leadership, and we just incentivized that malign behavior.

    Why just bail out union pensions? That discrimination against private pension plans seems tailor-made for a SCOTUS case. Personally, I do not believe in federal bail-outs, and it should not happen. Did TARP really help, or hinder the recovery from the GFC?

    1. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      Don't you understand, they were too big to fail!

    2. JohannesDinkle   4 years ago

      The biggest unions in the US are public sector unions, which represent mostly Democrats working for some level of government. Lots of those pension funds, like CalPERS, have sold off holdings in companies they consider to be against equity or saving the planet, so almost none hold oil stocks. The holdings apparently make the fund managers feel righteous, but terribly underperform.
      They are supported by reliable Democrat voters, so the connections are pretty clear.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        The public sector unions biggies investments are in democrats. They are getting a return on their investment at our expence

    3. Overt   4 years ago

      "Did TARP really help, or hinder the recovery from the GFC?"

      Oh it hindered. Too Big to Fail banks are zombies. They have no competitive spirit left in them. They spend all day answering to federal audit committees who demand that they institute thousands of governance jobs to ensure that every t is crossed and i dotted.

  15. Yatusabes   4 years ago

    Good news: Democrats are bailing on Hunter Biden's dahdee

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-beltways-case-of-biden-remorse-media-democrats-president-cnn-washington-post-11657145527

    The Beltway’s Case of Biden Remorse

    The Democrats and media who pushed his agenda now blame the President for failure.

    You know it’s bad when the press corps start to elevate as potential party saviors Govs. Gavin Newsom of California and J.B. Pritzker of Illinois, two states that taxpayers are fleeing in droves. “As some Democrats grow impatient with Biden, alternative voices emerge,” headlines the Post. Sorry, Mr. President. The party needed you to beat Donald Trump, and you made the mistake of adopting the left’s agenda. Now that you’re down in the polls, you’re expendable.

    FJB

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      Biden is awesome, the economy is the strongest ever, and any negative stories about this administration are just wingnut.com lies.

      #MoreButtplugInsights

      1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        OBL....Matzos is up since 1/20/21. What gives? That ain't wingnut.com; my Streits went from 2.79/box to 3.49/box.

        #BidenMustHateMatzos

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Are they made out of spittin tobbacy ? That’s the only thing that has gone up in price.

    2. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

      You know, that’s another reason I joined the GOP/Libertarian alliance as a gay, Black man. It’s sense of loyalty to one man. It’s kind of touching (and not in a grooming DemocRAT) in a way. I mean, no matter what Dear Leader did (downplay a lethal virus, run up a 4 trillion dollar deficit) libertarians in the GOP/Libertarian alliance could always be counted on to support the Mises/GOP agenda. You don’t often see this kind of luv in today’s cynical times. Very sweet.

      #Love_Is_Love

      1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

        Dear faux black gay bottom boy, you need a White hung alpha Sir to drive in your little white backside a can of Whup Ass

        Whup ass, 99% Reagent from Aldrich
        https://imgur.com/a/23vxO

        Ive known gay Asians come across as credible black gay men compared to you.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          There's a lot of racism in Shrike's performance.

        2. Ted   4 years ago

          I don’t really doubt that he’s been bottomed.

      2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        If Trump could hear you, he would do an adorable little dance.

    3. Nardz   4 years ago

      He's a prop, and the plan has always been to use him as a scapegoat when the time comes.
      They can blame it all on Biden, then act like replacing him will fix the ills.
      But by then the New Normal has already been instituted

      1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

        Newsom or Pritzker would be so much fun though. The amount of material on them to construct memes and gotchas....limitless

      2. Overt   4 years ago

        Rabban! I place you in charge of Arrakis. It's yours to squeeze, as I promised. I want you to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze!...Drive them. Drive them into utter submission! Do not show the slightest pity or mercy! Never stop. Go. Go! Show no mercy!

        And then, when they have had enough, I will send you, Feyd. Sweet Feyd.

    4. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      Next up is blaming the wreckers and the kulaks.

    5. American Mongrel   4 years ago

      Lol. Pritzker, the billionaire that gets tanked and drives his boat in Wisconsin.

  16. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

    Thinking of moving there (from California… gah!) so I can enjoy Liberty and just be my (gay, Black) self.

    The new Texas Republican party platform calls homosexuality “an abnormal lifestyle choice,” says President Biden "was not legitimately elected," and says Texas students should “learn about the Humanity of the Preborn Child.”

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      California is the best state because, despite the homeless people defecating on the streets, rich people like American Socia1ist can enjoy $1,000-per-plate restaurants.

      How is AmSoc's portfolio doing this year? I don't think you've updated us since you boasted it had grown 30% in the first 12 months of the #BidenBoom. Are you doing even better in 2022?

      #BringBackAmSoc

      1. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

        Sadly I converted all my S&P500 holdings into Bitcoin/ETH funny money so I can’t even afford the $5-per-plate special at Arby’s now. Sad.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          Hey shriek, you hicklib pedophile, why does your side always threaten to move to Canada when it doesn't get its way?

          1. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

            You mean that libertarian hellhole where humans with icky and smelly vaginas can get an abortion without restriction in any of its socialist Leninist provinces? [Shudder] Yuck. This gay and Black man WILL NOT be moving there any time soon.

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              That's the left coaster dreamy vision of Canada, not what conservatives think. If you want to do actual parody you have to imitate the actual thing, not pretend to be your own strawmen.

              1. JimboJr   4 years ago

                dont try and teach it how to do parody. Teaching a lefty to parody/meme well would be about as fruitful an endeavor as teaching a cripple ballet.

                1. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

                  Wait… I’ll try better, ok?

                  I don’t want to move to Canada because it’s fascist, tyrannical government will give you a ticket and impound your truck if you leave it in the middle of a busy city street for a couple of weeks. What kind of literal Nazi bullshit government are they running up there?

                  1. R Mac   4 years ago

                    The only way for you to be better is to turn yourself in for your crimes against children.

                  2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                    That actually was much better.

                2. Ted   4 years ago

                  ‘Cripple Ballet’ would be a great name for a band.

                3. BigT   4 years ago

                  dont try and teach it how to do parody. Teaching a lefty to parody/meme well would be about as fruitful an endeavor as teaching a cripple ballet.

                  The problem is that one cannot tell Donkey parody from Donkey commentary.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              You mean that libertarian hellhole where humans with icky and smelly vaginas can get an abortion without restriction in any of its socialist Leninist provinces?

              Uh, that's not exactly true, and if you weren't a hicklib pedophile you'd know this.

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      Definition of abnormal
      : deviating from the normal or average

    3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      why would anyone have any problem with having children 'learn about the humanity of a preborn child"? Like seriously, are you in a death cult or something? I'm an atheist but the abortion fanatics have become downright ghoulish IMO.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        "Like seriously, are you in a death cult or something?"

        They really are. As soon as they start explaining the "benefits" to society they get all eugenicsy.

      2. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

        I'd have to see a lesson plan. Since the politics of abortion are unsettled, getting into it during school could well be state propagandizing.

        In such vague terms, I can't say it's a problem, but I also don't like the sound of it.

      3. JimboJr   4 years ago

        "Like seriously, are you in a death cult or something? I'm an atheist but the abortion fanatics have become downright ghoulish IMO."

        Im quite agnostic and have always been in the legal/safe/rare camp and these people have just gone so far I dont ever recognize the "pro-choice" side anymore.

        Have heard a lot of arguments about not even the obvious life-impacting syndromes like downs, edwards, patau's where the kid has an objectively shitty life. Ive heard them now talking about "well the mom didnt have much money and the kid grew up poor and now has anxiety" as if it would be better if she just killed the kid. Like literally wtf is wrong with these people.

        1. BigT   4 years ago

          Or, it was a girl. Like they do in China.

    4. Outlaw Josey Wales   4 years ago

      Try Austin. You'll fit right in.

  17. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1544998569572274176?t=51sgoTksfEcMMB2uoK5PLQ&s=19

    IT'S HAPPENING : Italian farmers are rising up in protest, threatening to take their tractors to Rome. "We are not slaves, we are farmers! We cannot make ends meet!"

    [Video]

    1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      Eat the bugs!

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        No.

        1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

          You vil have nuffing and you vil be happy!

          Also, farmers are icky conservatives so we must crush them and grow bugs in factories instead.

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            Try to find some of the videos.
            These guys are hilarious.
            Absolutely no fear with using their tractors to fuck up police vehicles.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      Just another local story that global and US media can ignore.

    3. markm23   4 years ago

      "We are not slaves" Wrong. That was settled when you elected socialists.

  18. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/06/german-chancellor-olaf-scholz-proactively-blames-russia-for-pending-global-food-shortage/

    They are not saying there might be shortages; their statements are emphatic, there will be shortages.

    Accept this basic cornerstone. Then ask why not a single proactive step has been taken by any of the aforementioned institutions or governments to alleviate what they declare is a certainty. Why?

    Simple question, “why?”

    If all of the western nations, non-govt organizations and heads of state, are aware of a coming food crisis, why is there no proactive response?

    It is a question that even the most hardcore leftists will not answer, because there is only one answer. No action is being taken because they do not want to take action. No effort to avoid the crisis is being done, because they do not want the crisis avoided.

    Peel all the layers of obfuscation and causation away, and what we find is the epicenter of the food shortage is directly the result of the Build Back Better agenda. A post-pandemic western government deliberate decision to radically change global energy development. In succinct terms, the climate change agenda.

    However, regardless of how you feel about the validity of “climate change,” the cause of diminished food supplies is purposeful. It is not climate change causing food shortages. It is the purposeful action taken under the guise of mitigating climate change that is causing the shortage of food.

    The collective Build Back Better energy policy of western governments’ is the reason for massive increases in energy costs, massive oil price jumps, gasoline price increases, significant increases in chemical costs, increases in diesel fuel costs, shortages of fertilizer created using natural gas, and the end result is lower crop yields, higher farming costs and eventually, food shortages. They know this.

    1. Ronbback   4 years ago

      this is so true. the Russia /Ukraine war is not help full but they are using it for their gains. Just look and what they are doing in the Netherlands by shutting down farming when they also know there may be food shortages. its all planned to make it worse than it is in the hope we will give up more control to the controllers.
      BTW still noting about the Dutch farmer protest on any news network , including Fox or on Reason

      1. Ronbback   4 years ago

        Also California shutting down more farms due to drought while not shutting down the watering of golf courses and Biden requesting more corn be turned into fuel instead of food even though it has been found that ethanol is not safer than regular gas

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

          ethanol is not safer than regular gas

          Safer? In my experience the decrease I saw in MPG when the season changed and 10% ethanol was added was nearly 9%. The government has been paying farmers to water down gas.

          1. BigT   4 years ago

            The government has been paying farmers to water down gas.

            No, YOU have been paying. Same price for a fuel that has about 60% of the energy per gallon.

      2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        “its all planned to make it worse than it is in the hope we will give up more control to the controllers”

        Never attribute to malice what can be explained by common incompetence and dumbshittery.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          And ignore them when they admit what they’re doing.

  19. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/status/1544915098774503425?t=XQ98yC-IPO3bvo-ucjV-Cw&s=19

    #Netherlands

    [Videos]

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Netherlands Police Open Fire at Farmers Protesting Globalist ‘Climate Change’ Restrictions

      Meanwhile how many articles have we had about edgy cartoonists lately?

  20. Sevo   4 years ago

    The EU is a blind squirrel:

    "EU lawmakers back gas, nuclear energy as sustainable"
    [...]
    "BRUSSELS -- European Union lawmakers voted Wednesday to include natural gas and nuclear in the bloc's list of sustainable activities, backing a proposal from the EU's executive arm that has been drawing fierce criticism from environment groups and now looks set to trigger legal challenges..."
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/eu-parliament-set-cliff-edge-vote-green-investments-86286972

    And it will be amusing watching watermelons eat each other.

  21. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1544847396206788609?t=7v_JqE9dVxvwEPA0yVxe4w&s=19

    Tucker Carlson Reacts To Biden Admin Demanding Americans Suffer For The "Liberal World Order"

    "How's that working for you by the way? Is there anybody who is happier because of it, except for people like that? No. But they don't care. Because you will own nothing & be happy."

    [Links]

    1. middlefinger   4 years ago

      Certain Pravda outlets shall receive better accommodation and rations under the unelected urban policy wonks that shall ration the global populations. Think Gavin Newsom French Laundry.

  22. Nardz   4 years ago

    That's a shame

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wnba-player-pleads-guilty-drug-charges-russian-court

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Russia is asking the US release a weapons dealer in exchange for a WNBA player. What are the odds Biden concedes?

      1. JimboJr   4 years ago

        its a womyn of color, so he pretty much cant say no.

        Also, I think that would instantly qualify her for any position that comes up whether its press secy, VP, or SCOTUS justice. She meets all the important criteria that the others have met. So win win!

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Simple arithmetic says yes. A brave but oppressed (womyn's sports) black female is worth at least 50 evil (weapons! Russia!) white men.

  23. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boris-johnson-resign-prime-minister-after-government-collapses

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      The good news is that Volodymyr Zelensky has agreed to serve as interim Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

      1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

        LOL

        +1

  24. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/erichhartmann/status/1545055491314704386?t=c9DJR0ttgWpcC_TC-5NVhA&s=19

    On October, 5 1789 the lowly Fish Women of Paris were the ones who took it upon themselves to storm Versailles, where the out of touch rule-making elites thought they protected from the growing populist blowback to their bureaucratic decrees.

    [Link]

  25. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    So it's looking more and more like the story about the 10-year-old rape victim, who was denied an abortion following the Dobbs decision was complete bullshit.

    And of course it would be. I think it's pretty safe to assume at this point that every wild story that advances the Democrats narrative is completely made up.

    So who was peddling it here? I thought it was Joe Friday and Sqrlsy, but maybe I'm wrong. But I remember someone was pushing it hard and I'd like to hang that albatross around their neck for a while.

    1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      I'm at the point where by default I assume any big news story is either completely false or spun so hard the truth is beyond recognition.

      And it's shocking to myself how often I'm right.

      1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

        try disabling Java script and land on "news" cites. It is instructive to read then the content of the articles, all 3 sentences. It is all crap and my disabling java script has become my default news search mode

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      It's a 3 hour drive from Columbus Ohio to Pittsburgh PA and that isn't even the shortest route to get an abortion if you're in Ohio.

      This story is complete bullshit on its face.

    3. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      I actually never bothered believing. I figured if more information came out to prove it, I could just read up on it then, and if it quietly disappeared, that's evidence that it's bullshit. And if it was ever debunked, very few people would want to talk about it.

      Maybe the 10 year old raped herself ala Jussie Smollett to start a conversation? Stunning and brave.

    4. R Mac   4 years ago

      Is there any database of all the big media stories over the past, I don’t know, six or so years, that have turned out to be complete fabrications? I’ve seriously lost track.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        "Is there any database of all the big media stories over the past, I don’t know, six or so years, that have turned out to be complete fabrications?"

        It's called the internet, and you're reasonably safe to assume all of them.

    5. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      I never heard that story but just from the outset it smells.

  26. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    So Joe Biden decided to export 5 million oil barrels, taken directly from the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve, to Europe and Asia; despite his rhetoric about US gas prices.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/joe-biden-exports-oil-barrels-despite-us-gas-prices-report/

    1. Yatusabes   4 years ago

      it is a wonder he hasnt made Venezuela most favored nation status... yet

  27. Dillinger   4 years ago

    Boehm you ready to impeach yet?

  28. Ewald Von Kleist   4 years ago

    votes from favored constituencies don't just buy themselves! https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj_l5StkOf4AhVLbDABHX-oAzEQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1pgIQlaPqWvswgUqpaCLft

    1. NOYB2   4 years ago

      “It’s a big problem for agriculture because it’s not sustainable,” said Anne Schechinger, senior economics analyst at the Environmental Working Group,

      EWG is an organization that is pushing for the Green New Deal, trillions upon trillions of dollars in handouts and subsidies to people and corporations that produce nothing of value. Talk about "not sustainable".

      The concern trolling is strong with this one.

  29. Use the Schwartz   4 years ago

    "With today's actions, millions of workers will have the dignified retirement they earned and they deserve,"

    Dignified, like when Max is eating Dinki-Di dog food out of a can.

  30. TJJ2000   4 years ago

    Biden celebrates STEALING everyone's credit cards...

  31. NOYB2   4 years ago

    It's just a warmup for the trillions that will be needed to bail out public sector pensions.

    Also on the agenda: destroy our retirement savings but then "coming to the rescue" by "fixing social security". Talk about moral hazard.

    Remember: You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy.

  32. Dillinger   4 years ago

    long live Sonny Corleone.

  33. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

    Yesterdays discussion of protesters blocking traffic is dead, so I am going to post here for anyone who hasn't followed this story.

    Daniel Perry is the ex-army Sergeant who shot Reason's buddy Garrett Foster in 2020. To be clear, there were 4 shots taken at Perry's vehicle with pistols after he shot Foster for aiming an AR-15 directly at him while illegally blocking his vehicle. That would suggest to me that his claim of self defense has a lot of validity.

    The DA waited 11 months for the furor to die down and for people to forget how bad the protests were and then charged Perry with murder. The police detective that investigated the incident accused the DA of criminal behavior in the DA's failure to present all the evidence he had collected to the grand jury. A full year since his indictment has passed and Perry has still not had his day in court.

    1. NOYB2   4 years ago

      From a purely practical point of view, avoid using an AR-15 for self-defense because people will be prejudiced against you. Use a handgun if you can.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        I would think that Perry would have shot Foster even if Foster had been a pointing a handgun at him. In this case, hopefully, the brandishing of an AR-15 does prejudice the jury that Perry was justified in fearing immanent harm.

  34. Iwanna Newname   4 years ago

    But no mean tweets?

  35. middlefinger   4 years ago

    Selling our strategic oil reserves to China India is a bigger story than Democrats shuffling billions or trillions to leftist mobs or illegals - everyone knows that.

    One world rationing government is libertarian?

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      "everyone knows that."

      Not Reason.

    2. Tony   4 years ago

      Where are these mobs and how do I sign up? I'd like for my highly paid work to be in the service of good, for a change.

  36. The Glibertine Party   4 years ago

    > "With today's actions, millions of workers will have the dignified retirement they earned and they deserve,"

    if you oppose preserving pensions you are a shithead and should kill yourself

  37. Liberty Lover   4 years ago

    Bail out with printed money, stolen from you and me, sure to fuel even more inflation just like the cancellation of student loan debt. Biden has a Pez dispenser to give out funny money.
    The government has no money to give anyone, this nation is over $30 trillion in debt.
    How to destroy in one Democratic presidency term.

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