On the Pride Parade Route With the Libertarian Hoping To Challenge Marjorie Taylor Greene
Angela Pence is running against the controversial Republican congresswoman, but first she has to clear Georgia's anticompetitive ballot access requirements.

"I'm at city hall," Angela Pence says via text message. "By a guy with a 'Don't Tread on Me' flag."
Even amid the vibrant scene along Broad Street in Rome, Georgia, on Saturday morning, the modified Gadsden flag—a rainbow-colored one, but with the familiar coiled rattlesnake and slogan—stands out. Before crossing the street to meet Pence, however, I have to make way for a drag queen riding in the bed of a bright red pickup truck and fist-pumping along to a blaring Lady Gaga song. It's a message of defiance as subtle as the rainbow-colored Gadsden flag—particularly here, at the first-ever Pride parade in Rome, a city of about 37,000 nestled in the state's deeply conservative northwest corner.
Pence is a part of that spirit of defiance even as she is hoping to capitalize upon it. A political novice, Pence is running for U.S. Congress as a Libertarian against incumbent Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, the controversial first-term congresswoman who in many ways embodies the GOP's post-2016 fixation with culture war politics and conspiracy theories.
Earlier this month, Greene warned that straight people could go extinct "probably within about four or five generations." In another tweet, Greene claimed that "an entire #PrideMonth and millions in spending through corporations & our government on LGBTQ sexual identity needs to end." Against that backdrop, simply showing up to an event like this sends a message.
Before Pence can even start a real campaign, however, she has to gather more than 23,000 signatures from registered voters in Georgia's 14th congressional district by July 12 in order to satisfy the state's difficult ballot access rules. She came to Rome on Saturday hoping to gather some of that total. It's tedious work, one that requires volunteers to carry clipboards and the willingness to explain—over and over again—how the state's ballot access laws work to people who may not care.
"I think the people here deserve to have another choice," she tells me as we walk with a few hundred other parade-goers, heading for a small park along the Coosa River where the rest of the day's festivities are planned. Once there, she circulates among the attendees and vendors, working with a handful of volunteers and friends who have come along to help collect signatures.
Often, all she has to do is mention that she's running against Greene to get attention, though Saturday's parade is not a true cross-section of a district that President Donald Trump won by more than 50 points last year despite narrowly losing the state as a whole. (When Trump wanted to hold a post-election rally in Georgia to pressure the state's officials into reversing the outcome, the event was held at an airstrip not far from Rome.)
"Realistically, Democrats don't have a chance here," Pence repeatedly tells people. A Libertarian might not either, but arguably might have a better shot of carrying the district's few blue spots (like Rome, where Trump lost every precinct in 2020) while also engaging Republicans who are fed up with Greene or open to a true small-government message.
If the state will let her on the ballot, that is. In all likelihood, Pence's effort will fail, and a ballot access law will once again deserve credit for protecting an incumbent.
There's not much love for the incumbent on display Saturday. "I came to this just because it is in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district," says Melanie Kelly, who lives in Atlanta. Her wife, Krista, is open-carrying a pink and white AR-15 at the parade—the most ostentatious, but not the only, celebration of the Second Amendment at Rome's Pride event.

The Pride parade and the visitors it attracts to Rome illustrate the changing cultural tides in northwest Georgia—even in a place that's undoubtedly Trump country. "This could never have happened here" 10 or 15 years ago is a common refrain when I ask people to share their thoughts on the city's first Pride parade. It's easy to see how some conservatives, like those holding protest signs along the parade route, could interpret this as a triumphant march of progressive ideology that until recently was contained to more urban areas and specific subcultures. The mainstreaming of LGBT culture means a higher level of acceptance of individual autonomy and human freedom, but it's also generated a political reaction that increasingly defines the conservative movement—and one that encourages the wielding of government power to limit the self-expression and free choices of others.
It's been three years since commentator Sohrab Ahmari, then an editor at the New York Post, set off a conservative schism by calling out conservatives like The Dispatch's David French for being insufficiently militant towards drag events that include children. In that time, "drag queen story hour" has become a source of viral rage for a segment of the political right. Greene recently escalated the rage into a threat of using actual government force by announcing her intention to introduce a bill banning drag events that include children.
"This needs to be illegal," she said earlier this month. "What's the difference in children stuffing cash in a drag queen bra and a stripper's bra? Nothing. It's wrong and it's indoctrination."
Rome's Pride festival included a drag queen story hour.
"I don't see what the harm is in drag queens reading stories to kids. Politicians do it all the time," Pence says with a shrug, though she also draws a line between events where reading is the main activity and taking kids to outright drag shows where provocative dancing might be the focus. "I think that if parents want to take their kids to a drag queen story hour, that's their choice to make," she says.
It's the kind of sentiment that probably needs a more prominent place in our civic discourse—one fundamentally at odds with the notion that members of Congress should get to decide how anyone raises their kids. Later, when Pence crosses paths with India Mills, the head of a local drag troupe and the queen who'd led the parade down Broad Street from the back of a pickup truck, the two share a quick laugh about the heat ruining their makeup.

The fact that Rome's parade attracts crowds from outside the area actually complicates Pence's effort to get on the ballot here. Only signatures from registered voters who reside in the district count toward the tally she needs, which means her volunteers have to collect addresses as well and check them against the state's voter rolls. With redistricting having been completed in Georgia only a few months ago, she says, lots of people aren't even sure which district they reside in now.
But Pence is determined to work it. The monthslong effort to get enough signatures to become the first third-party candidate to qualify for a congressional race in Georgia since the 1950s requires the kind of grit that she might have learned from an earlier career as a professional dancer—"Fighters Keep Fighting" reads the tattoo on her right arm, the letters intertwined with a pair of pointe shoes—or perhaps from being a mother of eight children, all of which Pence homeschools. (A ninth is on the way, due in January.)
Even if the effort ends in failure, it's worth it for the party to pursue races in what would otherwise be single-party districts with high-profile incumbents, argues Chase Oliver, the man carrying the rainbow-colored Gadsden flag and marching alongside Pence. He's the Libertarian Party's (L.P.) candidate for U.S. Senate in Georgia—and he's already on the ballot since the L.P. has done well enough in recent elections to secure automatic ballot access for statewide candidates. Bizarrely, it's more difficult to get on the ballot for a state legislative or congressional race than for a gubernatorial or senatorial race in Georgia.
"I call them 'the sexy races,'" Oliver says. "Having people run for those offices raises awareness about the party and helps us recruit and compete in lower-level races too."
Among some longtime L.P. types, there is concern that the party's new leadership will shy away from backing candidates like Pence who are challenging conservatives. Oliver specifically expresses frustration over some of the maneuvers at the recent Libertarian national convention, where the party's delegates voted to remove a longstanding plank in the L.P.'s platform condemning bigotry as "irrational and repugnant." But circulating within traditionally left-wing spaces, like Pride events, and pushing for a society that's more accepting of self-expression and individuality has always been foundational for libertarians, he argues.
"I'm trying to remain myself in this whole sea of people who constantly want me to be something else," Pence tells the owner of the Frisky Biscuit, a Rome-based sex shop, who is enthusiastic about signing a ballot petition for someone to be challenging Greene.
She could be talking about her place in the broader spectrum of Libertarian politics or her status as the ultimate outsider in a congressional district where the outcome of November's election is practically assured by a combination of ballot access laws and partisan redistricting.
The local entrepreneur signs as Pence wraps up her pitch: "We're here to fuck up the system."
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"...simply showing up to an event like this sends a message."
That message is, "I'm pandering for votes."
Arent they all though? Aside from the fact that few gays and lesbians who have productive careers and lives, avoid gay events like the plague, it seems both sides are engaging in echo chamber campaigns. See Matt Taibbi's excellent column:
Taking the Neither Pill
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/taking-the-neither-pill
Yeah, I casually swung by a Pride-type event once several years ago because I was in the area, it was going on, and I thought I'd check it out. I left after about 5 minutes. It was just a collection of the most maladjusted human beings I have ever encountered, all just deliberately doing shocking, provocative, and lewd things just to do shocking, provocative, and lewd things. It wasn't a fun celebration. There was just a weird undercurrent of aggression to the whole thing.
I'm not sure how agressive lewdness constitutes positive advocacy for a cause. Seems pretty unconstructive to me.
It kind of made sense when social norms were much more against homosexuality and the point was to tell people "we exist, so learn to deal with it". Now that few people care about who is gay, it seems to be about pushing boundaries until you find something that people are bothered by so you can then continue to call them bigots.
We're here! We're queer! Get used to it! sounds so quaint these days.
I don't think "get used to it" is part of the platform anymore.
We're used to so they can stop trying to make us aware.
Herb Caen, a San Francisco Chronicle columnist once said "In San Francisco the love that dare not say its name won't shut up."
In 2020, MTG got over 200,000 votes.
If an opponent can't get at least 20,000 signatures to put them on the ballot, then they don't stand a chance anyway.
Which isn't to say there aren't problems with ballot-access laws, but this doesn't really showcase them.
Yeah, this is performative nonsense by someone who isn't even a serious candidate for office in that district. Pandering for the LGBT vote in MTG's district is a 100% losing strategy and one of the reasons people don't take LP candidates seriously.
There are plenty of libertarian positions that you might be able to talk to people about in this particular district and gain some traction, but "we're here to fuck the system up," isn't one of them.
you dont like her CV either huh?
A political novice, Pence is running for U.S. Congress...
https://www.angelapence.com/platform
She introduces herself as a "homesteading, homeschooling, military wife," which means she a dependapotamus.
And her platform is vapid. Reason has done at least two stories I've seen on her, and neither of them even discuss her platform or ideas. Because she doesn't have any.
She also volunteered for Jo Jergenson. So, no thank you.
She says she's a small business owner. What is her business? Some stories and articles describe her as an entrepreneur. That's fine, I like business owners. What is her business? Tell me what business you're in! Do you sell anything? Can I buy your products? How does your business experience inform your political positions?
The reason I ask these question is because I've been bombarded with ads where Stacey Abrams claims to be a "small business owner," which is clearly bullshit. She is funded through her politics, she's a political creature, and makes a lot of money through speaking gigs and people buying her shitty books to virtue signal.
Apothecary...
https://cobbcountycourier.com/2022/03/q-a-with-angela-pence-libertarian-candidate-for-the-14th-congressional-district/
“Also, everybody jokes around — I’m a mother of eight kids — and several of my friends were like, ‘you should just run on that only and say, I can deal with eight kids so I could deal with the babies in Congress.’ I mean, that might qualify me.
“I’m a small business owner, I run a local apothecary, I have done that for years. So as far as my background with regard to management — especially fiscally — they translate and on a much larger scale."
She's just a vapid AWFL
“How [Greene] has been with her rhetoric, I think, is probably one of the things I most dislike about her — is just how she speaks and treats other folks. But also, she’s painted out this district to be absolutely horrible, just because of her rhetoric, and she has gotten nothing done. I think the most successful thing she’s been able to do was require a roll call, which I do think is good, but other than that, she really hasn’t done a lot.
“So looking at it…I knew that for me, it’s multifaceted, I knew I was a good enough messenger of the things I believe in which several people in this district believe in, which is just freedom in general and treating people right. I knew I was a good enough messenger for that, but also, understanding what I was going to be facing — which was a ballot access restriction — I definitely wanted to be able to shed light on that.
“And again, the way [Greene]’s painted my district, it couldn’t be further from the truth. She has made it look like we are a bunch of racist homophobes, which is so wrong on so many levels.
“I wanted to be able to represent my district for what it truly is, which is a district that really is truly full of caring, loving people. I have seen that all through the pandemic — people just stepping up to help other people, whether it was getting them groceries, paying a bill, multiple things that they weren’t asked to do, they just did it. They didn’t ask for who it was, they just stepped up, so that was a lot of it.
“And also, of course, I just want to be able to actually do things for my district and represent my district in that way. That is what caused me to decide to run for this office."
I run a local apothecary
Sounds like something Homer has to continue working at the nuclear power plant to support.
So she's a dealer with a Mideaval motif to her hustle? Hmmm...Doth she useth burlap sacks instead of yon Zip-Lok baggies? 🙂
Yeah, I was trying to find that information. What business? The reason I wanted to find out was because I know a BUNCH of "homesteading, homeschool moms" who are also "business owners," but that means hawking MLM products on Facebook.
She says she's a small business owner. What is her business? Some stories and articles describe her as an entrepreneur. That's fine, I like business owners. What is her business? Tell me what business you're in! Do you sell anything? Can I buy your products?
I've stopped asking these questions. Maybe "Is it for profit and profitable?" The government throws money at minorities and women to start and run unsuccessful businesses for a couple of years. "I'm an entrepreneur!" used to mean "I saved two pennies, rubbed them together, hung a shingle, built a franchise at over two dozen locations, and sold the whole affair to investors for well more than two pennies." Now it just as often means "I filed the proper paperwork, ordered my stock online, and sit behind a counter 20 hrs. a week until I can no longer afford to."
I personally have no beef with her trying to run. But I'll side with MTG because I want the establishment to be knocked over and MTG is far more likely to do that than Pence is.
But good luck to Pence in her efforts. I don't see any way they succeed.
The LP exists to advance the goals of totalitarian leftism.
This is in service to that mission.
Why we should fear gun registries
https://thereload.com/new-california-ag-website-leaks-massive-trove-of-gun-owner-private-information/
Will they keep their out-of-state-abortion registry any more secure?
Boehm reports on the Libertarian candidate attending a Pride parade in a conservative area and has the gall to say that it is the GOP incumbent who is fixated on culture war issues, as if it is a bad thing.
The way social progressives fight the culture war is to deny that there is a culture war while screaming "Stop Resisting!" as they apply the choke holds and baton beatings.
There is a big difference between drag queens and politicians reading stories to children. In one of those instances the children are having stories read to them by a dangerous narcissist who is a threat to them and to American values. In the other, the children are having stories read to them by a man wearing a dress.
having stories read to them by a dangerous narcissist who is a threat to them and to American values. In the other, the children are having stories read to them by a man wearing a dress.
Kudos on the former but the politician likely knows people who can pull levers for a constituent as to a career, break in the industry. I have met, worked with and befriended a few drag queens. All were miserable, unhappy, conflicted men who used drag as a way to redirect their inner conflicts. The better drugs to buy in gay circles were acquires from drag queens who had access to them.
OTOH, most people today are in bad shape: obesity, multiple prescription meds, failed marriages, dysfunctional children, and soulless folks. Its not like they were not warned over the decades of their lives
Totes nothing narcissistic about dressing up and making a ridiculous spectacle of yourself for attention, then demanding everyone submit by treating your delusion as if it were true.
Good call
In the other, the children are having stories read to them by a man wearing a dress.
Someone's bout to get canceled.
Drag Queens are Drag with clothes, accessories, and make-up Politicians are Drag with their philosophical views.
Hell, MTG has to rank in the top 10 most libertarian-leaning sitting congresspersons. One of many things I don't like about the LP (at least before the Mises caucus takeover) is them strongly running a candidate against an incumbent who is about as "libertarian" as anyone could hope for (Dave Brat) to help elect some CIA "centrist" like Abigail Spanberger.
Oooh, bad timing, Angela Pence. Unfortunate name too.
The most telling thing about this article is that it was written at all. Reason almost never does profiles of non-presidential LP candidates, but they decided to do one on a woman with no political experience who probably won't even make it on the ballot because she stands for the two most important things to Reason's 'libertarians' - pride parades and defeating Republican 'deplorables'.
https://www.angelapence.com/platform
This is her campaign website. It's awful. She's obviously not a serious candidate for office.
I think it would be worth Reason's time to do more profiles on non-presidential LP candidates. But maybe they should do ones on candidates that actually stand a chance of making some headway for LP candidates generally. This broad just makes the LP look silly and unserious.
They don't give a shit about Pence or the LP, they're trying to gaslight votes away from Green
Her platform seems generically libertarian. I agree, that I wish we'd run more people, more seriously, for a broader amount of local offices.
Easier said than done. The "serious" candidates are Democrats and GOP. They are leeches that want to feed at the campaign funding trough. "Serious" candidates are why this country is as fucked as it is.
She is out there trying to get shit done. I can respect that. Getting signatures to qualify for the ballot is tedious and expensive and LP candidates rely almost exclusively on using their own time and money to get it done. There is no gravy train funding their efforts.
I once helped a candidate get the required signatures in out state before the rules were gamed to make it almost impossible. We went specifically to registered LP households and it was still nearly impossible to get done.
To many people bitch about who is running without any knowledge of what it is actually like to do it.
Pretty sure it's the Libertarian Party that does that.
first-term congresswoman who in many ways embodies the GOP's post-2016 fixation with culture war politics and conspiracy theories.
Wait, what?
You know like the conspirisy theory that Obama had the survalice state spy on political opponents
Reason is confident that history will record the culture war as having started in 2016 for reasons unknown and that you're on the wrong side of it.
Earlier this month, Greene warned that straight people could go extinct "probably within about four or five generations."
Honestly, I put MTG on the same level as AOC. Unpowerful congressbitches with big mouths that people love to hate. Otherwise, you can mostly ignore them.
However... it has been gay people who have been warning that the Trans movement is attempting to "erase gay people". And it ain't Marjorie Taylor Greene (had to look her up to verify if she had an 'e' at the end of her name-- tells you how much I follow MTG) who suggested this... *ahem* to wit:
And:
The above email excerpt was released by a group of very, VERY liberal parents within the Glendale School District who are becoming increasingly disturbed at the Trans ideology being jammed down their children's throats. These are not Fox News Watchers, these are Glendale School parents, around 100% of which vote Democrat.
So who's the conspiracy theorist now?
Writing for Reason == having the uncanny ability of standing in the middle of a hurricane and pointing at people boarding up their windows as "conspiracy theorists".
But the queer Marxists have stated that having straight people extinct is their goal
And hurricane is an apt analogy as, once again, this isn't just an "Oh my! Kids are identifying as queer!" issue either. Progressively more debt is being heaped on a populations that are increasingly unable and unwilling to support it, even increasingly contributing to it. That's not to say that we should incentivize reproduction, but that there are many ways out of the fantasy land situation and the specific issue is a nexus of the universal reply, "No."
The Pride parade and the visitors it attracts to Rome illustrate the changing cultural tides in northwest Georgia—even in a place that's undoubtedly Trump country. "This could never have happened here" 10 or 15 years ago is a common refrain when I ask people to share their thoughts on the city's first Pride parade.
So before Trump, this wasn't possible. But in The Era of Trump, this is now a reality.
Drag Queen Kitty Demure asks why heterosexual women want Drag queens to read stories to their children?
that was a terrific video. My husband and I nodded in agreement when we watched it, then sent the link to our gay and lesbian friends who replied with laughter.
Here is the thing about gays and lesbians like us: we have careers, we have goals, we have future to build towards, and flag waving, parading, and walking around butt naked with our dicks in g-strings will do nothing to build towards our goals and dreams. Of the many professional gays and lesbians we know, none of them participate in these types of public events. Its like heterosexuals cringing about the Kardashian and Britney Spear sexual antics. Really embarrassing and insulting to people as a whole.
Earlier this month, Greene warned that straight people could go extinct "probably within about four or five generations.
Yes, when you clip her out of context, it DOES sound ridiculous.
https://rumble.com/v16iebf-mtglive-ep.-3-something-doesnt-add-up.html
Go to the 52-minute mark and actually listen. She's talking about the data about how there's been a vast explosion of people identifying as trans, but that we're not allowed to question the ridiculousness of it. She's being facetious about THEIR logic, and saying, "Well I guess if this trendline is real and not some manner of social contagion or conditioning, it just means straight people will be extinct in four or five generations!"
It's not at all bizarre when you TRY to be good faith. For fuck's sake, this woman is not so scary that you have to strawman her, you can actually address her dumb positions instead of pretending she's a raving lunatic.
What else did she tweet that you deemed insane?
An entire #PrideMonth and millions in spending through corporations & our government on LGBTQ sexual identity needs to end.
The movements goals were achieved, were they not?
The fact that broad acceptance of LGBTQ has been successful to the extent that people are DESPERATE to hire LGBTQ members in most industries probably is evidence that they've achieved goals. And yes, it's fair to wonder why they need a whole month of corporate shilling-it's not like it's completely okay to repress the gays the other 11 months.
I'm just so fucking tired of the disingenuous fucking bullshit. "I can't believe she said this!" It's because it's unbelievable, that's why you can't believe it. But you want to, so you'll frame her in that clipped out segment without looking for the full context. Not only that, you will SPREAD that in an article just to cast aspersions on her, even though it's clear bullshit.
If you dislike her on substantive policy grounds, it can't be this hard! It really can't. Honesty gets you so much farther than mendaciousness. She really does say a lot of things that are problematic, but in your need to pretend she said the most outrageous thing ever, you make her appear more reasonable. It's like when you overhype a good restaurant to your friends, so when they finally eat there and the food is pretty good, they say, "Well that's it?" and they're disappointed.
Go to the 52-minute mark and actually listen. She's talking about the data about how there's been a vast explosion of people identifying as trans, but that we're not allowed to question the ridiculousness of it. She's being facetious about THEIR logic, and saying, "Well I guess if this trendline is real and not some manner of social contagion or conditioning, it just means straight people will be extinct in four or five generations!"
Jesus, no matter how cynical I get, I find I'm still naive. Reason has done this a LOT lately and they need to stop it.
It pisses me the fuck off. It makes me ashamed to use the word "libertarian" if people who consider themselves the public face of libertarianism are this pathetic and sleazy.
Seriously, it's NOT THAT HARD to be authentic and honest.
Perhaps without realizing it, they are supporting dreadful deadly earnestness which does not understand humor and sarcasm, while still personally relying on sarcasm and ironic snark. The knives will be out for them by the earnest, eventually.
Reason has done this a LOT lately and they need to stop it.
Edit buttonMute Articles buttonOften, all she has to do is mention that she's running against Greene to get attention
And this is part of my criticism of the libertarian party right now. I agree that people in that district deserve to have a strong alternative candidate, and that Georgia's bullshit signature requirement for minor parties needs to go away.
My problem is that they're so focused on simply getting their names into big races for visibility. They jump into races where big name candidates already exists, hoping to get some votes just due to the proximity, but without putting up major challenges.
What the party really needs to do (and yes, it's very difficult) is to figure out how to get a candidate into nearly every local race. We don't just need a libertarian gubernatorial candidate, we need a libertarian option for Hayfield County Commission Post #3, for HayTown (county seat of Hayfield County) City Council Seat 5, for HayTown Mayor, For Haytown District Attorney. We need to get the possibility of people voting a libertarian straight ticket. People will actually take the party seriously if we can do that.
It may need to happen one state at a time, but if you can become a major force in any single state, you'll have the bona-fide credential to spread.
"I call them 'the sexy races,'" Oliver says. "Having people run for those offices raises awareness about the party and helps us recruit and compete in lower-level races too."
And this just kind of proves my point. You're just trying to get name recognition. There's very little policy coming out of this, it's trying to jump on the stage without the groundwork. It's fine to get someone on the ballot for those bigger races, but you come out and say you're only doing it for messaging and visibility. You need to actually be prepared to win the seat. You're not there to "start a conversation," that's what the progressive already want to do, and they have no reason to turn to libertarians for that. You're there to represent people's best interests by winning a seat and reducing the horrible scope of government. Have a strategy that's not about messaging but about winning.
Here's the messaging the Libertarian Party achieved for libertarianism in their last 2 presidential campaigns:
Bake the cake, bigot, and it's not enough to just bake the cake, but you must be actively anti racist.
Let me put it this way: I'm like 30 miles away from being in MTG's district. I'm in Georgia's 9th, she's in Georgia's 14th.
There's no libertarian running against my Congressman. There has never been. It's a two party race since 2000. It's a deep red district, to the extent that the Republican ran unopposed in 2018. But there's no article about the libertarian candidate desperate to get on the ballot in the Georgia's 9th district, to give voters more choices. Why is that? Because Andrew Clyde doesn't have the name recognition that Marjorie Taylor Greene does (and I still don't get why she's so famous).
It's kind of pathetic, really, this approach. C'mon, LP, I dare you. Just get a freaking name on the ballot in the 9th district.
Right. Start at the local level and develop candidates with an actual resume and some developed policy ideas that they can point to, not some "homesteading, homeschooling, military mom" with a nose ring who goes to Pride parades and says the F word to look "edgy" and cool.
In many states, achieving a certain percentage of votes for a statewide constitutional office can secure a party ballot line for the following 2 or 4 years. I can remember, when I worked on campaigns, getting that locked in by obtaining 1% of the vote for Secretary of State.
In GA, the LP has to hit 20% in the Governor's race to be a ballot-qualified party. That's an obnoxiously high threshold, and if the third parties sued, it might be struck down.
https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
Correct.
The best strategy would be to pick a county, or a couple counties, and make a real push at getting a majority of office holders.
Then you can hold it up as an example of libertarian governance.
But... methinks libertarians are terrified of actually having to put their money where their mouth is. They, at least a certain segment, would rather sit on the sidelines and make fun of the people who actually do stuff, because that is what allows them to feel special and superior.
Maybe this is why they hate the Mises Caucus so much- the MC wants to make the LP marketable to the general public.
It's funny they call the Mises Caucus edgelords, but it seems like the Reasonistas would rather posture and blow smoke online than actually put forward any cadidates who don't actively suck.
2020 was such a HUGE missed opportunity for the LP. With Trump and Biden running, there was a chance of putting forth a serious candidate, focused on winning, to actually BE the adult in the room. Put aside the petty sniping and cultural war nonsense and be serious.
Instead, JJ just plays follow the leader with BLM. They nominated a notorious troll as VP candidate. They didn't attempt to be the grown-ups in the room.
The LP candidate needs to be the person to say, "Wake up, make your bed, and get to work. The government isn't here to be your mommy. I'm here to get government out of your way so you can take care of yourself." And it's not the message at all.
Just imagine taking Ron Paul, like, 2004 Ron Paul, when he was at his best, and putting him on a debate stage with Biden and Trump. LP should have taken 10% of the vote in that election, at least. The two actual candidates were such ass-clowns.
It's ridiculous, listening to the Reasonistas crying about the Mises Caucus. This could be the "Libertarian Moment" they're always talking about, but which never seems to arrive because the LP squanders it on ridiculous candidates.
The state of American politics is so absurd at this point, anyone who isn't already a die-hard R or D would give a good LP candidate a serious look because they're so desperate for an option that isn't "hold your nose and vote for whatever human trashbag is less foul."
MTG = meeting. Needs better nickname.
>>pushing ... has always been foundational for libertarians, he argues.
as long as the pushing is non-aggressive I suppose
Taylor Not-so-swift.
"This could never have happened here" 10 or 15 years ago is a common refrain when I ask people to share their thoughts on the city's first Pride parade. It's easy to see how some conservatives, like those holding protest signs along the parade route, could interpret this as a triumphant march of progressive ideology that until recently was contained to more urban areas and specific subcultures.
Or it could just mean that conservatives actually don't hate the gays all that much? Maybe it's not about hatred, but some specific concerns about policy? They were in a deep, deep red district, pretty rural. Rome is a small town. And yet there wasn't the mob of hicks and hillbillies with clubs trying to beat away the awful gays. Maybe it's a sign from the left that they don't need to demonize their political opponents.
Vast swaths of America honestly want the right to not give a shit.
Because, I don't give a shit who you like. I don't even define myself in terms of sexuality. I don't think about that shit all day every day, and about the only thing that annoys me is that people won't just let me ignore them to go on with their business.
Because, again, I don't give a shit.
I'm convinced this is the attitude of an awful lot of people. The loudest folks everywhere get all the attention, most of us just roll our eyes and get on with whatever it is we were doing anyway.
Libertarian Ron Paul ran and won as a Republican. So what's the problem?
Reason needs to be okay with this, too. Look at the coverage they give to Amash compared to Rand Paul. One guy converted to make himself relevant after he could no longer be re-elected, the other guy continues to stay in government and advocate for libertarian positions. One of them is a far more effective libertarian than the other will ever be, and yet they keep talking about the loser who prostituted himself for attention.
Yeah but one of them made criticizing Trump his hobby horse. Maverick!
So much courage to bravely stand up to Trump and reap massive personal benefits from doing it. Reminds me of the stunning and brave speeches you hear at the Oscars.
The Maverick made Trump his hobby horse and the other dared question Grand Inquisitor Fauci and The Science.
Any chance that she will run for some local office if she loses? Would probably be very helpful to get libertarians in something like that, and possibly more likely.
Candidates like this don't WANT to win. They just want to get some notability from standing next to famous people. It's like the people who try to pick fights with movie stars, just to get some attention.
She can run as Grand Wizard of Pride or something. I'd vote for that.
That's definitely the final boss in some weird Christian video game based on fighting the 7 Deadly Sins.
it appears our problems will disappear in the world very soon. Good news. There will be no Civil War 2.0
https://www.space.com/satellites-falling-off-sky-solar-weather
Wild solar weather is causing satellites to plummet from orbit. It's only going to get worse.
The change coincided with the onset of the new solar cycle, and experts think it might be the beginning of some difficult years.
Phew! Saved by the Sun!
I've completely gone off on this one article, and I'm not done.
Chase Oliver doesn't look like a terrible candidate. He needs to address the elephant in the room of pandemic restrictions, which was the biggest infringement of government in our lifetime, but otherwise, he's saying many of the right things. I'd tweak some other things here and there, but fine.
Reading his words in this article have sealed it, though. Chase, I'm not voting for you. You're not here to seriously win a race, you're here to send a message.
Oliver specifically expresses frustration over some of the maneuvers at the recent Libertarian national convention, where the party's delegates voted to remove a longstanding plank in the L.P.'s platform condemning bigotry as "irrational and repugnant.
That's an emotional reaction on your part, Chase, not a rational one. You're not trying to understand the logic, you're condemning people who largely share your ideology because they're not virtue signaling.
But circulating within traditionally left-wing spaces, like Pride events, and pushing for a society that's more accepting of self-expression and individuality has always been foundational for libertarians, he argues.
So it's important for libertarians to go to left wing spaces? Why not right-wing spaces? I thought the idea wasn't to recruit in a certain place, but to tell people that we can be individuals who can just co-exist. That there can be right-wing and left-wing spaces and that's completely fine as long as nobody is infringing on anyone's liberty. Libertarianism is the lesbian open-carrying her pink AR-15. She's just missing her legal weed and unlicensed hair salon. Why isn't SHE on the fucking ballot?
The local entrepreneur signs as Pence wraps up her pitch: "We're here to fuck up the system."
That's really not what I want to do. I'm not here to fuck shit up as a libertarian. I just want government that gets out of everyone's way and doesn't tell me what to do. I also don't want government to tell YOU what to do, and that's the real power of it.
There's a really great quote from Michael Crichton (the late sci-fi writer):
Media carries with it a credibility that is totally undeserved. You have all experienced this. …
Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. … You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. …
You read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know. …
In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. … But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. … The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.
It's worth keeping in mind. I try to, but I fully admit I so often forget it myself and find myself nodding along until I stumble upon the next article where I have the bare minimum amount of knowledge to recognize how many errors it has.
I fucked up my italics. Sad.
Only first and last paragraph were my own, the middle parts are the quote.
There's a script or something that closes italics at the end of every paragraph. You have to edit in an extra open italics at each new paragraph. I think it's a response to an old issue on this website where it would mess up the page if people forgot to close italics by the end of a reply.
There's not much love for the incumbent on display Saturday. "I came to this just because it is in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district," says Melanie Kelly, who lives in Atlanta.
So... not a constituent. Came in from out of town.
You couldn't find one actual constituent who opposes her could you?
So... not a constituent. Came in from out of town.
Which is kind of the point, and why Pence wants to run against her. She's a lightning-rod of hate. Just elevate yourself by standing next to someone other people hate. Garner attention, even if it's not helpful. You get the attention of people who aren't even in a position to vote for you, and you have no obligation to ever deliver anything for them.
Candidates like this are what cause people to look at the LP and say, "These aren't serious people."
She is not, but she's not abjectly terrible.
She has very vague, superficial notions.
A couple policies she did specify:
-pro choice (and I say choice, not abortion, because, while she didn't explicitly say it, it appears she does not favor covid mandates)
-pro constitutional carry
-pro flat tax
Other than that, nothing you can really pin her down on.
She did say she's anti BLM, the Marxist organization, but pro the protests... which is meh, but she REALLY does not understand what was going on there.
“What I am in support of was the protests that were happening. I know people have a lot of mixed feelings about that in general, and I think a lot of that falls back to just the varying narratives of course, around it. These are people that are crying out because they have been oppressed for years, decades, centuries, and if this wasn’t an issue, they wouldn’t be out in the streets.
They wouldn’t be out in the streets protesting, they wouldn’t be putting themselves in a line of danger in regards to how a lot of those protests are handled. You have to really, truly believe in something to be putting yourself in that position and I absolutely support those protests."
She believes in "market competition", but...
"As far as minimum wage, I am a proponent in the push for the $15 an hour minimum wage. It’s not what it was when I was growing up, and that’s everybody’s argument, they’re like, I worked for $5 an hour, but the reality is times are changing, especially when we are seeing what we’re seeing now where costs of living are going through the roof.
“People can’t support their families on $5 to $7 or $8 an hour, they just can’t. That’s really affected an entire generation. The millennial generation, I think we know that better than anyone just how hard it is to survive and get through these hurdles of owning a vehicle or owning a house, things like that. It just isn’t truly attainable, so I do feel like the minimum wage should reflect what we’re facing, especially economically."
Climate change cultist.
Big red flag!
Not one word in this article about Pence's actual positions except for drag queen story hour.
Is this for real?
'Earlier this month, Greene warned that straight people could go extinct "probably within about four or five generations."'
Sound absurd? Go visit a humanities department at any US college.
And it's a complete lie based on what she was really saying. Clipped her out of context sarcastically playing up the credulity of the explosion of the school trans population.
I posted a link to her actual statement with full context up above. You can decide for yourself if the framing is remotely fair.
In other Pride news, 29 year old trans woman beats 13 year old girl in a skateboarding competition:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10956003/29-year-old-trans-woman-Los-Angeles-beats-13-year-old-girl-place-NYC-women-skateboarding.html
She must be so...proud.
Is this the one that Tim Pool made whole on the difference in prize money or *another* skateboarding competition where a subhuman* in a dress beat a girl?
*Forgive the bigotry, I come from a time when adult males beating minor girls in honest competition was considered utterly underhanded and despicable.
In chess these days computers beat humans of all ages and sexes. Bobbie Fischer played the 'game of the century' against IM Byrne when he was only 13 years old.
"Earlier this month, Greene warned that straight people could go extinct "probably within about four or five generations."
I'm afraid that straight drag queen story hours will go extinct long before that.
Hyperbole aside, Greene would probably support and vote for laws that promote borders language culture, a balanced budget and a term limits and protect rights of free speech, religion and the right of law abiding citizens to bear arms in public. Pence? Other than handing out more parade permits, it's not clear where she comes down on the basics, i.e. the existence of America as a Constitutional Republic.
Get 'em,Kanty! And since you've done a good turn for this Pansexual with your post, could I start a double good turn tab with you? (Referring to the Satanist version of the Reciprocity Ethic.)
The mainstreaming of LGBT culture strengthens nuclear families, because it allows protection of nuclear families formed by two men and two women. It reduces STDs because LGBT organizations have long been at the forefront of education on those issues. It reduces cultural rot by encouraging more people to participate in the culture.
It also reduces grooming by reducing the power of the #1 cause of grooming: traditional conservative family values. Traditional conservative family values empower groomers by encouraging kids to be unquestioningly obedient to adults and encouraging parents to treat molestation as a private family matter instead of a crime. "Family values" also oppose sex education, which keeps kids ignorant of the significance of what the groomers are doing to them until it is too late.
I agree that unleashing mentally ill freaks upon society is not a good thing, we saw that when a mentally ill freak was elected president back in 2016. We also saw it when he refused to accept his loss in 2020 and encouraged a bunch of mentally ill freaks to have a pointless riot back in January 6, 2021. And we see it with insane conspiracy theorists like Marjory Taylor Greene, and all those idiots who think telling elementary schoolers that gay people exist is somehow "grooming" them. But other than the mention of Greene, I don't see how that is relevant to this article. LGBT people are not mentally ill. The mentally ill ones are the conspiracy theorists who are targeting them.
But LGBTQPPPIA pride is an American value! It's what George Washington wrote about in the declaration of independence.
I feel like people who write comments like this on the internet have some secret homosexual feelings. I've never met a straight man who was truly straight that gave two shits about what two men were doing with their penises/buttholes/mouths, because they simply weren't interested. They were literally too busy thinking about pussy.
It's just weird to think and talk so much about something you find "disgusting," that literally has nothing to do with you (if you are indeed straight).
There are people right now in their houses sniffing their own poop, which I find disgusting, but I think this is the first time I thought about it to mention it.
I just don't get it. If you don't like it, look away. No one has a gun to your head. Just get your ass up and walk away. Turn off your phone or computer and go outside to look at those completely sexless trees out there and leave everyone else who isn't bothering you alone.
What is LGBT culture, you piece of shit groomer?
Ghatanathoah ghats where it's at! Especially about the demented Great Orange Pumpkin-Father!
This (below) poetry inspired by the REAL facts of a REAL nightmare!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
"The Sound Of Despots"
Hello darkness, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again
Because a nightmare in jackboots, left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the nightmare that was planted in my brain, still remains
Within the sound of despots
In nightmares I ran alone, narrow streets of cobblestone
Neath the halo of a streetlamp, I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of an orange blight, split the night
And touched the sound of despots
And in their naked greed I saw, millions of sheeple, maybe more
Sheeple talking without speaking, sheeple hearing without listening
Sheeple’s thoughts, sanity never shared, and no one dared
To question the despots!
Fool, said I, you do not know, despots, like a cancer, grows
Hear my words and I might teach you, take my arms then I might reach you
But my words, like silent raindrops fell, and echoed in the wells of despots
And the morons bowed and prayed to the orange god they'd made
And the sign flashed its warning in the words that it was forming
And the sign said the words of the despots are written in the echo chambers
And tenement halls, and shouted, in the sounds of despots
The mainstreaming of LGBT culture strengthens nuclear families, because it allows protection of nuclear families formed by two men and two women.
Leas than 10% of homosexuals are in stable, long term relationships. Aside from carrying s shitload of baggage and dealing with it solo if you possess testicular fortitude, gay men and women are notoriously ill-prepared for intimate, supportive relationships as to sexual, romantic or platonic. Heterosexuals, OTOH, are even more fucked up because they have every conceivable community provision, resource and familial, community, employer support yet STILL fail at long term stable relationships.
as to STDs, you really ought to consider reading the data on national trends, even if it is from the massaged CDC data. No muy bueno. Better yet, create a profile on any popular gay hookup app like Grindr, and you will get an unvarnished look at what is taking place as to high-risk sexual behaviors. Young kids today (under 35) are fucking with little to no concern as to consequences, much like heterosexual women did back in the 70-90s. The latter remedied their consequences with abortions, while the former are just fucked for life. The liberal news media wont report any of this but you have now been informed reliably by your favorite homo. cheers!
^This. By orders of magnitude!
MTG is actually one of the better reps on liberty, often bringing up infringements others don't (such as Jan 6 political prisoners).
This is why Readon "libertarians" hate her.
Also because they're pathetic groupthinking simps desperate for "elite" approval.
Right. I don't get anyone's obsession with her. She's not that dangerous. She's a bit of a throwback of social conservativism, but she's not toxic about it. She's also not so charismatic, well-spoken, and well-reasoned that she's an actual threat. There's a lot of ways libertarians and democrats who have issues with her could critique her on policies.
But instead, they go hunting for ways to make her seem like the most evil and dangerous woman in Congress. She's as controversial as wheat bread, when you really get down to it. I wouldn't for her if I lived in her district, but I don't understand the hatred of her.
And she forces actual votes instead of voice votes from aides.
Remember Reason's article on a recent anti-war vote? I believe it was headlined 'aoc votes against" then made a cursory mention that MTG voted against it too.
Too lazy to look it up, but it's interesting how the totem pole is constructed.
She is trying to demand floor votes on anything as we were spending billions on COVID with no votes being taken at all.
I applaud that whole heartedly. And she is close with Massie who is an amazing Rep.
He has basically said he used to like drag queens when they were fun and campy.
Those days are way... WAY over.
The Great Orangish-Whitish Pumpkin-Father HAS indeed mind-raped MANY of us, but somehow I have escaped! So far at least!
I thought he wrote about the need to take your shoes off before getting into a boat for europ?
^^^^^
Geiger has half a dozen butt plugs, all XXL size, tubs of Crisco, a dozen silicone dildos made from impressions of dicks from alpha male film actors he wished he could be in vivo, has a drawer full of bottles of amyl nitrates "video head cleaners" and wonders why no one wants to fuck him or ride his 3" dick, not that his BMI of 40 and C-PAP mask help his prospects.
OTOH, there was a time when I relished humiliating "straight married" beta males who could be made to turn beat read and break out in a sweat, when called out for their homophobic shrieks, but wouldnt dare come near me because they knew Id beat the shit out of them. Luckily I became a conservative homo and changed my ways. Those were the days fornicating with men and making straight married types whimper like the insecure, self-loathing lard ass homophobes they are.
SQRLSY One, your posts are never worth reading. MUTED. I recommend all readers mute this insane person. Maybe then with no outlet and no purpose in life he'll just kill himself.
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
I'm pretty sure sqrlsy was the motivation for adding a mute feature
Sqrsly is salivating at the thought.
I think he just proved your point about '(in)sufficient societal pressure on them to keep their shit to a minimum'. That was just abjectly retarded. At least the 00s-era multi-millionaire, collegiate-athlete-turned-Navy-SEALs married to a bevy of underwear models had the decency to avoid spilling their masturbatory jizz on everyone else.
It was Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid at Jonestown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Aid
Wheat bread? Ah-ooooogahhh! Gluten alert!!!!!
I think the lady doth protest too much.
You care to show a shrink sheepskin and studies with evidence for this, Goldie? Or is this as baseless as your concern-trolling about Ukraine?
You created a Grindr huh? Just to get an "unvarnished look?" Hoo Boy. Lots of y'all on here today.
You could get Monkeypox as easy as any Gay man, since it can be spread by contact or by aerosols! Is 'Dizzle' in your case Hip-Hop talk for 'Dumb?'
Go get 'em, Mangy! See my post below. I have a new pad and it put my reply in the wrong spot.
I mean Mangy. Gotta stop autocorrect. ????