Seaweed Is a Promising Food Tangled in Regulations
Regulatory uncertainty is keeping the seaweed market from reaching its full potential.

As the popularity of harvesting and eating seaweed grows in America, a new Maine Public Radio investigation, along with other recent news, suggest that regulations—too strict in many cases, nonexistent in others—may be hampering the market from reaching its potential.
Seaweed is the collective name for a variety of marine plants and algae. It's a common food in many cultures, including in Japan and among many coastal Native American tribes. Seaweed is prized for its versatility, health benefits, and high degree of sustainability when compared to other foods. Various types of seaweed "can be used as fertilizer, animal and fish feed, biofuels, pharmaceuticals and cosmetics…. and have been marketed as a 'super food' containing dietary fiber, omega-3 fatty acids, protein, essential amino acids, calcium, iodine, magnesium and vitamins A, B, C and E."
Harvesting seaweed is a topic that's interested me at least since I discussed it in my 2016 book, Biting the Hands that Feed Us: How Fewer, Smarter Laws Would Make Our Food System More Sustainable, in a profile of a well-known California forager who helps guide paying customers to harvest everything from mushrooms to seaweed.
Seaweed demand has boomed in recent years. And raising and harvesting seaweed, which requires few inputs, can be lucrative. In Maine, commercial seaweed harvesting grew more than fivefold from 2018 to 2019. The global annual market for seaweed is already at least $6 billion.
"The economics are wonderful," Joth Davis, a kelp farmer in Washington State, told the Pew Charitable Trusts recently. "Kelp isn't difficult to grow, and it doesn't use freshwater or added nutrients. The value proposition is really there."
Seaweed proponents are aware of some ongoing challenges to increasing its popularity as a food, starting with its unsexy name: seaweed. But other challenges—particularly reports suggesting regulations appear to be hampering seaweed sales from growing even faster—amount to a higher bar to increased harvesting and sales.
The first (and seemingly lower) barrier seaweed farmers face is federal law. Under FDA rules, the Maine Public Radio report details, "seaweed isn't really a food at all. Neither seafood nor vegetable, seaweed is regulated by the FDA as a spice because of its historic use as a dried product eaten in small quantities."
The more onerous regulations in question occur at the state level, and pertain chiefly to food safety. That's unfortunate, given that seaweed is a comparatively safe food. Foodborne illnesses caused by seaweed consumption are rare globally, and rarer still in the United States. While some studies have noted "concerns about the potential for seaweed to contribute to foodborne infections," others have found seaweed contains antibacterial compounds that can hinder or destroy bacteria that can cause foodborne illnesses.
A study on seaweed and food safety, published in 2020 by Connecticut Sea Grant, in partnership with state government, was billed as the first of its kind. While the Connecticut guide is no doubt useful, that usefulness is largely undermined by a flawed assumption that seaweed should be regulated like other foods from the sea.
Indeed, the study reports Connecticut law regulates seaweed the same as it does other seafood. That's highly problematic. Regulating water quality for seaweed production using standards for shellfish production, which Connecticut does, ignores the fact that seaweed—unlike shellfish—is not a filter feeder. That means seaweed can be safe to eat when harvested in waters that would be unsafe for harvesting shellfish, whether or not Connecticut allows it.
Very much to their credit, researchers in Maine appear to recognize this. For one thing, the goal of their research is to "help develop proper regulations that will protect eaters without overburdening the growing industry." And, as the Maine Public Radio report implies, they recognize that regulations requiring seaweed to meet shellfish-related water quality standards is a needlessly onerous requirement.
"We wanted to do this [study] because maybe seaweed shouldn't be treated like shellfish," Prof. Kristin Burkholder told MPR, helpfully distinguishing the study she's leading from that carried out in Connecticut.
While the question of how to regulate seaweed appears to be an open one among many states, in other states the primary regulatory challenge is more one of whom than of how.
Recall Joth Davis, the kelp farmer in Washington State? As Pew explains, he's also the only kelp farmer working Washington's waters legally. That's because, despite demand, the state makes it nearly impossible for others to join Davis in his profession.
"Many others want to grow kelp in Washington's waters, but Davis' farm for now is the only one operating," Pew reports. "The reason is simple: The state's permitting process involves nine different agencies, and the paperwork is so burdensome and time-consuming that few people bother."
Washington State isn't alone. "Many coastal states have an equally cumbersome process to administer ocean aquaculture, [forcing] would-be farmers [to] face a tangle of red tape," Pew also reports.
Seaweed is a tasty, abundant, sustainable, profitable, and healthy food. If you're not eating it regularly, you likely have government red tape to thank for that fact.
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Seaweed, the other kale.
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Selling seaweed?
I look out in my yard and I see weeds, but I wouldn't want to try eating them.
If the Biden economy stays on track you might be and soon.
Dandelions are edible. No idea how they taste.
Make a good salad. Slightly bitter so choose young plants before flowers set and be sure to wash off the dog pee.
Also used to make wine.
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Not really to make wine, the flowers having no appreciable amounts of natural sugars, they are instead used to flavor "wine" made from fermented table sugar.
Greens are also good blanched and then sauteed - kind of like a poor man's rabe. But once they get spiny forget it.
Lemongrass gives a great scent when cut and some people like Dandelion Wine. Strawberries, blackberries, and muscadines all grow wild in some woodsy backyards and I always loved them as a kid (verified and washed, of course.)
Cook with lemongrass a bit. I’ve got both wild raspberries and blueberries growing in my woods. The raspberries can kiss my ass. While they taste good, they grow into giant picker bushes all over the place.
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Just as long as it’s not the other quinoa. That shit is awful.
I beg to differ about Quinoa. It's not much diifferent than Couscous, Barley, Chicken Stars Pasta, or the great Southern staple known as Grits. All depends on what you use to flavor quinoa and the dishes you serve beside it.
Quinoa's fantastic as long as it's eaten hot. Use it like rice.
Do other people not do this?
Cold in salads. Awful salads.
Do I need to teach you people about herbs and spices?
Doesn't make quinoa taste better. Just hides its taste. It doesn't enhance the actual flavor of it.
Well sure, but if the salad tastes good, and the quinoa adds healthy protein, what’s the problem?
Meat is a much better protein.
Of course. Unless it’s in a salad sitting out for awhile. Look, if you really don’t want to eat it I’m not trying to coerce you!
I've eaten it. It is terrible.
Far be it for me to be a Food Fascist, but as with Grits, you could serve Quinoa with butter, cheese, onoins, peppers, sausage, bacon, with an omelete, boiled in your fvorite broth, and as a side with meat for double your protein.
Or you could just give me yours and I'll eat it. 🙂
Wait, couscous is awful, too.
Are you still in elementary school?
I'll have your Couscous too.
Such picky eaters around here. But, means more for me. 🙂
By the way, that picture looks like The Punisher skull logo with a Natural Afro. 🙂
Sounds like cultural appropriation and should be banned? My ancestors ate German sausage and sauerkraut when they moved here in the 1830's. Not seaweed because they were sensitive to the native Americans?
"Not seaweed because they were sensitive to the native Americans?"
Sensitive enough to steal their land.
...and what "stolen land" do you live on? Any plans on turning it back to its former owners?
"Any plans on turning it back to its former owners?"
I'm too busy appropriating seaweed to worry about any of that.
Too busy spreading bullshit.
And how did those Noble Savages, at least the ones that the evil white people robbed, get the land they occupied?
They were always on it, silly!
One of my pet peeves is how most leftists will fight to the death to deny religious interference with modern society and government, many of them swoon when natives start using their creation myths and "sacred places" as arguments for special status and legal policy.
It's like he doesn't know what "Indigenous" means.
"get the land they occupied?"
They pitched their teepees and started living there.
I guess all that stuff about tribes conquering, displacing, and enslaving others is just white culture propaganda.
And even the "first" settlers in any area were despoiling nature, right?
Despoiling is such and odd term.
To spoil something is to ruin it, so wouldn't despoiling make it better?
"I guess all that stuff about tribes conquering, displacing, and enslaving others is just white culture propaganda."
Colonial propaganda. Like North American natives being uncivilized and worthy of extermination. Don't fall for it.
Or the Mexica enslaving the Maya for human sacrifices?
Or the Sioux, despite creation myths about the sacred Black Hills, originating in Kentucky until they were run off by technologically superior tribes borrowing English and French technology, then themselves displacing prairie tribes by borrowing Spanish technology (cavalry).
"Or the Mexica enslaving the Maya for human sacrifices?"
What? Slavery is bad now?
slavery has always been bad, if you're a libertarian.
so is pretending it was invented in Jamestown in 1619.
"slavery has always been bad"
Surely it's not as bad as culturally appropriating the dietary habits of a nation you're bent on exterminating.
Damn you’re ignorant. But at least you’re exceptionally smug to make up for it.
"But at least you’re exceptionally smug to make up for it."
I blame seaweed.
Something about a giant beaver bringing up dirt from under the water but I forget the details.
Beavers all the way down?
While I am a Naturalist and hold the Universe has always existed, this Creation account at least piques the pruient interests. 🙂
Crossing the bering straight and then
the genocide of the toletecs?
"the genocide of the toletecs"
What? Genocide is bad now?
Don't forget wiping out nearly every species of megafauna within 2000 years of arriving on the continent.
Why are you ending statement sentences with a question mark? Are you a Millennial? Are you one of those Southerners who does "up-talk?"
No, Just an angry old white guy with poor punctuation. But I did live in the south for a couple of years. Some Nazi's stole my ancestors land so this is just "reparations" I suppose. Just checking if anyone can define the latest rules that we live by in this society. I am a simple man and the current world is a bit more complicated than I expected. And it seems to change a lot.
Stole your land? Do tell.
Sorry for accidentally flagging someone's comments. That's it! I'm getting a bigger tablet! My fingers are too stumbly and my vision too janky for this smartphone.
It doesn't do anything anyways. It is a placebo for rage clickers.
Wow wow wow wow wow wow wow this Biden economy is amazing! Check this out Peanuts. Warren Buffett made $3.55 billion yesterday. That's how you can tell wingnut.com is lying when they say Biden has a low approval rating, especially on the economy.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
Not gonna lie, I’d rather you posted than him.
"As the popularity of harvesting and eating seaweed grows in America..."
I guess I have missed another trendy fad.
That should have read "in the [other] America". You know the one where men can get pregnant and all those other things the left would have you believe.
It's not too late to get on the jellyfish bandwagon.
Mmmm. Possible dish for a trendy restaurant. Poached jellyfish on a bed of sauteed seaweed.
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/241346/sesame-jellyfish-salad/
Florida always on the cutting edge of cuisine.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g34182-i111-k750297-Seaweed_and_Jellyfish-Destin_Florida.html
Sounds like a cannibalistic nightmare for Spongebob Squarepants. 🙂
crickets are at least cruncy
crunchy (no edit button)
had to go back three times (posting too fast, because there's no edit button)
but the spam filters still don't work, at all
Although I am literally shaking because of the Supreme Court's reversal of my favorite SUPER-PRECEDENT, there is a bright side — the brilliant legal analysis of #Resistance Twitter. Here's legendary journalist Dan Rather, finally free to tell us what he really thinks after decades as an impartial news anchor:
If it takes 50 votes to confirm a Supreme Court justice, it should only take 50 votes to overrule them when they act like highly-partisan politicians.
Just tremendous insight.
#LibertariansForRather
Off topic, but interesting. Do you attribute it to him eating seaweed or just using too much weed?
Dan Rather is older than my grandparents so whatever he's doing to maintain such a sharp mental state, all senior citizens should do the same. Hopefully he'll reveal his secret some day.
#RatherIsAlmostAsSharpAsBiden
"It's not a lie if you believe it" George Cos---, er , Dan Rather.
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The whole point of democratic governance is to create an alternative to violence.
When the government is no longer democratic, you’re supposed to go back to Plan A.
And when democrats lose elections we know it is no longer democracy. Democrats are always allowed to riot.
Hey, sometimes achieving democratic utopia requires over-ruling the will of the people (at least the people who refuse to obey their betters).
No no, it’s only Republicans who ever do anything wrong. Democrats are just venting their frustration at a broken system that’s horrible and wrong.
They are protecting democracy sir.
About that...
https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1540778428798234624?t=alw9AU-S1-oU38b-PQBWNg&s=19
BREAKING: The Pentagon has stated that any abortion laws enacted as a result of the Supreme Court's decision will not be recognized.
What the Defense Department *actually* said:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3073618/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-on-the-supreme-courts-ruli/
"Nothing is more important to me or to this Department than the health and well-being of our Service members, the civilian workforce and DOD families. I am committed to taking care of our people and ensuring the readiness and resilience of our Force. The Department is examining this decision closely and evaluating our policies to ensure we continue to provide seamless access to reproductive health care as permitted by federal law."
So your garbage right-wing Twitter bot is feeding you garbage right-wing junk.
And are we just ignoring democrats introducing a bill to fund military abortions?
https://speier.house.gov/_cache/files/6/d/6dbed22e-0fd9-4b91-908d-70d2a7921c50/7B42C7BC7639D45C29EC7689CF758AD7.march-act-final-bill-text.pdf
Or this letter written to Lloyd?
https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Secretary%20Austin%20Dobbs%20Letter.pdf
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1540737862894637059?t=mdsn0CHrdLo9CI-ey45r3Q&s=19
BREAKING: Leaked DHS Intel Report Warns Wave of Terror for ‘Weeks’ over Abortion
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No no. They're just "'passionate".
It's only terrorism when parents are upset with their schoolboard.
Won’t be in my neighborhood. Have at it libs, burn your shit down.
My “I’m with Her” yard sign has saved me numerous times.
Nice.
Snoop Dogg is on a see weed diet.
Well, that's quite an endorsement. He looks so healthy.
Who knows. Unless you see him in person, it could all be makeup.
Dee made a funny!
What an amazing day to wake up as a Black and gay man who is GOP Proud like Caitlin and Milo. I don’t understand all the gnashing of teeth here. I live in California and am a gay man. Does this Supreme Court decision affect gay and Black men from California. No, I’ll still be able to eat at the French Laundry. Rubes from Tupelo might not be able to, but they made their bed, right? Stop crying liberals! Geesch.
Still terrible at this shrike. Usually people get better at something the more they do it. But you may actually be getting worse. The Hannah Gatsby of parody.
Too much seaweed. Micro plastics and all that, you know.
I’m sorry, but how can I think when I’m surrounded by nanny-staters in the most unfree state in America. Could you write good if you were surrounded by such tyranny?
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/24/west-coast-states-launch-new-multi-state-commitment-to-reproductive-freedom-standing-united-on-protecting-abortion-access/
This is what I mean. Youre just terrible at this.
He can never get the first difference in between parody and strawmanning. Probably because it he doesn't know or understand the motivations of his target.
It’s because most leftist lack basic empathy, so they just can’t mentally put themselves in someone else’s shoes.
What do you mean? The left always argues to help the poor by taking yours and giving it to someone else. That is the definition of empathy isnt? Involuntary giving?
I mean sure places like Seattle and Portland spend billions to help the homeless that primarily goes to activists and leftist groups that never actually really help the poor. But they have empathy for the poor.
Do you even good intentions, bro?
I have been properly shamed.
Leftists struggle even more with humor.
"I live in California ... I’ll still be able to eat at the French Laundry"
See what I mean?
You abandoned your clever American Socia1ist character for this painfully unfunny Ali Akbar routine, but you lack the writing skills to give the new sock a unique voice. You might as well have called Drumpf "Dear Leader" for the 10,000th time; it would be just as obvious.
Please just resurrect AmSoc. I want to hear about how Biden is doing a great job because rich people like him got 30% richer in the first year.
#VoteDemocratToComfortTheComfortable
I’m sorry… this sounds like something that someone who hasn’t eaten at the French Laundry would say. Just because you’re poor doesn’t mean you get to envy those who have more than you. Geesch… get over your poverty, ok?
Why is it every time I read you, I hear the voice of RuPaul in my head? I'm Pan and I'm not a living characture like this. 🙂
Sorry. I was directing this at AAA.
Finally! Someone gets my gay (and Black) ass.
Caricature? Sir, if I’ve said it one I’ve said it a million times. I’m a Black and gay man who is GOP PRoud like Milo and Caitlin. I’m not living a lie, ok?
You know how ready bad impression comics have to start their bits telling the audience who they are making the impression of... yeah.
Here's my impression of aaa
Comment hidden because this user is muted.
Youre not missing much. Shrike is basically admitting his entire political philosophy wrong by essentially running the terrible sock full time.
Can I just say how proud I am as a Black (don’t forget gay) man who is GOP Proud like Milo andCaitlin to be part of the GOP/ Libertarian/Mises alliance. Libertarianism is all about formulating policy that one finds appealing and then having the government ban everything else. That’s what I’ve learned from you guys.
If you are asking permission then the answer is NO. Permission denied.
Though I'm no fan of the troll characture, if all you ever knew of Libertarianism came from these comments, you would be perfectly justified in that assertion.
However, I've studied Libertarian philosophy since age 15 and I know better.
“andCaitlin”
Woah, woah, woah. You actually type that whole thing in every time? I assumed you have a shortcut key or a copy and paste file.
Next I’ll find out SQRLSY types his entire rants in from scratch every time.
God! More tyranny from California!
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/california-senators-approve-bill-to-legalize-possession-of-psychedelics-like-lsd-mdma-and-psilocybin/
Does anyone know a good moving company? I’ve had it with this place. It’s time for this gay and Black man to move my Black ass to Alabama where I can really be free.
There's an amusing anecdote about VP Nixon's visit to Ghana to join in her 1957 independence celebrations. People from all over the world attended. Nixon approached one of the participants, assuming he was a local, and asked him 'how does it feel to be a free man?' The man replied 'I wouldn't know, I'm from Alabama.'
Nixon WAS surrounded by idiots.
As president he surrounded himself with intelligent, capable men who understood him and would know when to ignore his emotional outbursts. He got into trouble when he took on yes men like Colson who didn't have that knowledge and would follow blindly any intemperate orders he received.
Go be racist somewhere else, shrike.
How’s that legalized weed in Cali working out? Speaking of which, I’m about to spark up some legal home grown here in Michigan. I hope the Soviet figures out all the regulations so you and your comrades actually get to partake.
“But there are consequences when you don’t. You cannot choose to put at risk your co-workers. You cannot choose to put at risk the people sitting beside you on an aeroplane,” Trudeau told broadcaster CBC.
“We all know people who are deciding whether or not they are willing to get vaccinated, and we will do our very best to try to convince them. However, there is still a part of the population (that) is fiercely against it,” Trudeau said and added, “They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist. It’s a very small group of people, but that doesn’t shy away from the fact that they take up some space.”
“This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people? ” he added.
"Do we tolerate these people? ” he added."
Needs more seaweed.
Hey, Trudeau asshole, it’s my body, my choice except— well— when it isn’t.
That's a little better.
D+
He's working straight out of Mein Kampf now. One of his scriptwriters probably thought it was funny and that everyone would catch it before Trudeau actually said it, but is shocked that they ran with it instead.
I hope you at least have an exit plan.
I'm Métis, and we always disappear into the bush whenever Ottawa gets killy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-West_Rebellion
Milder than a weekend in Chicago.
At least Poutine-boy is using The Science properly, as justification for COVID authoritarianism, and not for trying to deflect people's feelings about embryos.
Although local reports described demonstrations as being peaceful throughout the day, the situation got tense late when demonstrators began to bang on the windows and doors of the Senate building, trying to break the glass, according to 3TV/CBS 5.
This was while the Arizona legislature was in session. Oddly nobody was shot by police.
Videos posted to social media showed scenes from those hectic moments. Among them was a video showing the moment that the Senate, which was in session, was cleared by President Karen Fann, citing a "security situation."
By the way, I missed Baylen's column last week. I hope he had a great vacation or other time off.
Seaweed recipes:
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/seaweed-recipes
One of my kids goes through bouts of consuming massive amongst of roasted nori snacks. The seaweed is essentially a substrate for the salt.
"Eat the bugs, bigot" isn't just for 2030 anymore.
Aspire Food’s new plant will produce 9000 metric tons of crickets every year for human consumption.
I doubt that it will be getting hit by a light plane or having a mysterious fire soon.
Beyond beef didnt work even with heavy discounts in major retailers to make it only 1.5x the cost of real meat.
fake meat should be cheaper than real meat, because there's no expensive cows to raise
And of course it is the Davis crowd forcing all this shit. From Bill Gates.
“I do think all rich countries should move to 100 percent synthetic beef,” he said.
“You can get used to the taste difference, and the claim is they’re going to make it taste even better over time.
“Eventually, that green premium is modest enough that you can sort of change the [behavior of] people or use regulation to totally shift the demand.”
Yeah, like with EVs.
And you'd better damned-well be cooking your plant-burger on a solar oven BBQ.
they'll have synthetic bbq flavor by then, genetically modified into the seaweed/cricket paste
Heads+pikes
It's the only way
Soylent green is people?
Aspire Food’s new plant will produce 9000 metric tons of crickets every year for human consumption.
Would they be lizard people?
wow, now even crickets are plant-based.
though I prefer free range crickets over the factory farmed ones.
Cricket rights!
wait til California requires every cricket to have 1 square foot of space
Learned to like it pretty quickly in Japan.
I learned there is so much better food in japan..
McDonald's Tokyo?
Well, the bar is pretty low...
Fresh dolphin?
Flipper will not like that!
"Seaweed is a tasty, abundant, sustainable, profitable, and healthy food"
You may need to have some taste buds installed.
While there may be benefits to adding it to our food supply it being 'tasty' is nowhere on that list.
Yeah, cuz after a few hundred thousand years people went to so much effort to find things to eat besides seaweed.
Baylen will have a hard time convincing anyone who has ever visited a beach (especially after a storm) when it is covered in washed up kelp. Within hours it is a stinking, fly covered mess.
On the other hand, sushi.
And properly processed it's a delicious snack.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B094X7L4K3/reasonmagazinea-20/
so are pork rinds
Some people eat bull gonads. So?
So’s your mom.
The same could be said of fish left on the bank to die. The difference is that fix at least had a chance of being delicious.
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This thread is another example of a quality I find on the right, but almost never on the left: a desire to use public policy to hurt people on the other side.
Just ignore the entire pandemic and the lefts calls yo jail, arrest, deny employment, etc to those who wouldn't submit to their demands.
Also ignore the entire j6 committee.
Ignore the BDS movement.
Ignore the anti racist movement.
Ignore schools trying to suspend kids who don't use "proper" pronouns or firing teachers who don't use them.
Ignore Bidens attacks against the energy industry.
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The progressive view of victory envisions that conservatives will enjoy and benefit from progressive policy, despite their misgivings. This belief may be naive or wrong, but it's quite sincere!
Ohhhhh. It is benevolent authoritarianism. It is good for them. They sincerely believe they are helping through their attacks.
Everyone is enjoying the progs’ high inflation/high crime achievements! You betcha!!
UH OH! Libs golden girl back to being spawn of Darth Cheney.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/liberals-turn-on-liz-cheney-after-she-celebrates-downfall-of-roe-v-wade-it-was-going-so-well-liz/
Wonder how her email recruiting dems to switch parties to vote for her in the GOP primary is going.
Is it possible, if given the opportunity for power, she’s more evil than her father?
She’s more like Kylo Ren than Darth Vader.
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1540700604124758016?t=62ehEgn6_PA2T9IByi33RQ&s=19
Kirkland & Ellis has reportedly told former Solicitor General Paul Clement and his colleague Erin Murphy that they have to end defending the Second Amendment or leave the firm. This occurred after they won one of the most impactful decisions in history.
...It is a chilling example of how conservative litigators and causes are being banned from law firms, including national campaigns by groups like the Lincoln Project with the funding of other lawyers...
...After prevailing in a historic constitutional case defending individual rights, Kirkland & Ellis has effectively booted the lawyers. It appears that they should have had the decency of losing if they wanted to fight for the Second Amendment.
...Can you imagine a firm taking this position with regard to any other constitutional right? At one time, firms were afraid to fight for abortion or civil rights due to the backlash. Now, lawyers are proudly fighting to prevent colleagues from defending the Second Amendment.
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self defense is a civil right
Typical leftist:
https://twitter.com/johnVcorbett/status/1540679772719775744?t=4OtoGAFa6MCrwTBb-Bb7_g&s=19
Clarence Thomas:
Just another dumb field nigger.
It's okay when they're horribly fucking racist, because their motives are pure and they're on the right side of history... also something, something, Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/far-left-radicals-find-targets-uga-professors-map-pro-life-clinic-addresses
But ENB swears it's just some sort of pro-life black op.
https://twitter.com/AmandaMilius/status/1540754066875326465?t=_1Us4GHghiTU90OjTSr9Lg&s=19
“As Secretary of State, I usually avoid commenting on Supreme Court rulings”.
Yep that should have been the end of the statement.
What did I tell you about all these agencies thinking they’re these sovereign islands that govern themselves? Also yr in DC dude, chill out, yr …
… employees can continue killing their children so they can spend all day in that dreadful building inventing new ways of wasting $ if they want.
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@CapitolPolice why are there 20 pallets of bricks placed one block from the House Office Buildings?
https://twitter.com/AmandaMilius/status/1540754066875326465?t=_1Us4GHghiTU90OjTSr9Lg&s=19
Wrong link: https://twitter.com/RepBoebert/status/1540486821330620416
50/50 chance she’s just being paranoid, but the pallets of bricks and frozen water bottles at 2020’s summer of love mostly peaceful protests does at least justify some concern.
I’m sure some of our favorite posters will be repeating the same lines that some of those twatters were spouting, completely ignoring what happened in 2020.
It's not just paranoia. It is narrative pushing. To push the narrative that ANTIFA is everywhere and dangerous and a violent threat. You know, much like how many on Team Blue push the narrative that right-wing extremists are domestic terrorists and a violent threat.
Never read Nancy Rommelman, I see.
Ready to get aborted, pedo?
Or to push the narrative that your allies like to throw bricks while rioting. Which is accurate.
I do love my seaweed snacks. Last box I got was a mix of kimchi and wasabi. They say if you're addicted to seaweed, seek kelp. So I did.
I invested in a seaweed farm once, but it's underwater now.
I was trying to help boost the American agricultural economy, but the other investors insisted on off-shoring.
Must have been a kelpless feeling
Lot of good seaweed around Cuba I hear.
I'm pretty sure it ain't the gummint regs that are limiting seaweed consumption. It's the lack of recipes and/or food ideas. Kind of like sardines. WTF can you do other than just open a can? Even the high end sushi place doesn't do much with seaweed and it flies much of its food in from Japan.
Another disastrous new low polling aggregate for Sleepy Joe Biden, at -17%, 39.1 approve and 56.4% disapprove:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
Never, ever forget that the far left lowlifes who are screaming "My body, my choice!!!" once again spent two years deliberately shutting down the economy to win an election, insisting that we all wear face diapers that do absolutely nothing whatsoever, and taking an experimental mRNA vaccine that turned out to be pretty much completely ineffective, or else become second class citizens.
Biden is awesome, he's kicking Putin's butt, the economy is the strongest ever, and any website reporting otherwise should be dismissed as wingnut.com.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
"39.1 approve"
Even that baffles me. Because unless you're part of the scam, how willfully blind and stupid do you have to be to still support the Democrats.
It's a fucking cult, that's the only possible excuse.
Quite a few of them are regulars at reason.
you're underestimating the number of government employees, and retired government employees
Adam Conover has a new series on Netflix called The G Word. He said something like 20 million people work for the government. That’s like 6% of the population right there.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/government-is-a-relentless-freedom
Today we have more than 21 million government employees. And while I’m sure that plenty of them are perfectly wonderful people, it’s the nature of governments to grow. After all, if you solve the problem your agency was formed to solve, why would you still have a job? Pretty soon you’re spending $165 million on homelessness but not actually getting anywhere solving the problem. (Clearly the answer is a bigger budget and/or more regulatory power!)
Biden's got a 70% approval rate among black Americans. They must be stunned by his golden calf hairs.
I'm nowhere close to being an ecowhack, but even I can see the problem with this. 'reason' seems to think seaweed grows in a vacuum. It doesn't -- it supports major biomes. Why would seaweed end up any different from whales or cod? We could probably harvest coral reefs and turn their polyps and algae into soup, too, but would that be a good idea? You should look into the California die-off and learn something about otters, abalone, and red urchins. This article is just more proof that 'libertarian' is the long form of 'stupid.'
Seaweed doesn't grow in a vacuum. Dust bunnies grow in a vacuum. But they probably taste even worse than seaweed.
Well, Baylen, all food is tangled in regulation.
It is just like the fascists don't want any freedoms at all.
Remember, remember, the eighth of November.
I've had seaweed soup on international flights.
The seaweed market is as big as it needs to be already.
Perhaps, both the teacher AND the students should be armed at school!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-children-should-be-trained-with-firearms-to-ward-off-a-mad-man-with-a-gun-in-schools/ar-AAYRj4M?li=BBnb7Kz
Yes.
Almost as bad as Biden calling a USSC ruling against the constitution.
"This ruling contradicts both common sense and the Constitution, and should deeply trouble us all," Biden said.
Or democrats now saying the USSC is illegitimate.
Bunch of damn insurrectionists! Lock them all up.
"If my children are in school and a mad man with a gun comes to a school to kill people, unfortunately a psychologist is not going to be able to just talk him out of it," she said in a conversation with Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland. "That is not a good way to protect kids."
Asked by Raskin whether she thinks the students should be armed, Greene said, "I think children should be trained with firearms."
What is controversial here jeff? Kids used to have rifle classes at schools. Are you that afraid of guns? Or is your reading comprehension so bad you think she is saying students should be carrying guns?
Considering the question she was asked, yeah, I do think she is saying students should be carrying guns. The discussion isn't about a rifle class, the discussion is clearly about school security.
Do you think students should be carrying guns?
She used the same rhetorical trick you use here often when you dont answer the direct question but answer with a related but different answer.
She did not say yes they should carry. That is you dishonestly presenting her statement.
So I'll chalk it up to reading comprehension.
I'll just put it this way.
MTG wants students to carry guns in school, in the same sense that Biden wants to ban .22 caliber bullets.
She never said that. Can you please cite where she said she wanted to carry guns in school?
And odd you say .22 bullets when his comments were about one of the most common rounds being 9mm. Again argumentation from ignorance. I already gave you all of his comments prior. Please stay in denial.
He has also come out to shut down a 5.56 manufacturer just recently.
https://gatdaily.com/no-more-lake-city-green-tip-has-bidens-administration-cut-more-ammunition-off/
He has also come out to shut down a 5.56 manufacturer just recently.
That's not true. Not even your article claims that he is shutting down anyone. Why are you misrepresenting your own article?
I mean it literally talks about them coming after an ammo manufacturer. What the fuck jeff. How dishonest are you?
It literally says this plant can't sell this ammo to the civilian market. Are you this fucking dishonest? Are we not talking about civilian rights in this conversation?
If the TTAG source is true, then he’s not shutting them down, just banning them from selling to civilians.
That’s not much better….
We were having a discussion on civilian sales. Silly of me to think jeff could discuss this honestly.
Apparently nobody is seeking to ban guns now because the military will still have then based on Jeff's logic here.
Jesse, you claimed that Biden "has also come out to shut down a 5.56 manufacturer". And when *not just* I point out that you're wrong, but DesigNate as well, you cannot admit that your initial characterization of that story was wrong. You refuse to admit you are wrong because, I suspect, you view it as a sign of weakness.
If you are genuinely in the wrong, it is not a sign of weakness to admit as such. Instead it is a sign of moral strength.
JesseAz has never been wrong. Ever.
I mean here is a direct quote from biden.
I'm the only guy that ever got passed legislation, when I was a senator, to make sure we eliminated assault weapons. The idea you need a weapon that can have the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots from that weapon, whether -- whether it's a 9-millimeter pistol or whether it's a rifle, is ridiculous. I'm continuing to push to eliminate the sale of those things.
So do you want to try again? I provided my evidence. Provide yours.
Sorry I meant 9mm bullets.
So, using the same standard that you just applied to MTG above, did Biden literally declare that he wants to ban 9mm bullets?
I mean I literally just gave you a quote where he wants to ban 9mm pistols. Find any quote where MTG wants kids armed in school.
You do realize this is why people call you a leftist right?
You attack a conservative with the most dishonest reading of her quote as she promotes an American right.
Then you ignore all information while defending a Democrat seeking to take that right away.
Biden has a history of talking about banning 9mm weapons and even all semi automatics which covers such a large swath of owned weapons in this country.
And here you are dismissing a direct quote from him about banning 9mm pistols.
I mean. You do understand why you're called a leftist right?
No no, Jesse. We're talking about holding Biden to the same standard that you hold MTG. None of this about Biden's "history of talking about banning 9mm pistols". Because MTG's history of staying completely stupid shit didn't seem to matter to you earlier.
Can you hold anyone on Team Blue to the same standard that you routinely hold the people of Team Red? (Or vice-versa, for that matter?)
So, let's parse Biden's quote literally, the same as what you did to MTG's quote.
When he says:
I'm continuing to push to eliminate the sale of those things.
the "thing" that he is referring to is clearly
a weapon that can have the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots
So what he is seeking to ban is NOT the entire class of weapons known as 9mm pistols. He is seeking to ban the class of weapons "that can have the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots", a subset of which are *certain* 9mm pistols.
So it's lazy and inaccurate to claim that Biden wants to "ban 9mm pistols" in their entirety. He wants to ban SOME of them, the ones that have the specific quality of "the ability to fire 20, 30, 40, 50, 120 shots".
If we are to parse his words in the same manner as you parsed MTG's words, that is how we must interpret his statement.
Otherwise, just give it up and admit that you will look for reasons to condemn Team Blue while looking for reasons to excuse Team Red.
“A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body. So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of — there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection, hunting,” Biden said. “And remember, the Constitution, the Second Amendment was never absolute.”
That is clearly alluding to banning or restricting those two types of bullets.
"If my children are in school and a mad man with a gun comes to a school to kill people, unfortunately a psychologist is not going to be able to just talk him out of it," she said in a conversation with Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland. "That is not a good way to protect kids."
Asked by Raskin whether she thinks the students should be armed, Greene said, "I think children should be trained with firearms."
She obviously dodged directly answering that question, but being trained to use firearms does not directly allude to them also being armed.
It boggles my mind how he calls himself one of the few honest posters here lol.
but being trained to use firearms does not directly allude to them also being armed.
Umm, you can't properly train someone to use a firearm without first arming that person.
And if we are going to go with the loosey-goosey interpretation, the one that makes each politician look as bad as possible, then absolutely - Biden wants to ban handguns and bullets, and MTG wants kids running around in school with guns.
So you admit you started off with the loosey-goosey interpretation to make her look as bad as possible
Oops.
1. I’m not sure how looking at Biden’s actual quote, in the context of a gun control debate going on nationwide, is a “loosey-goosey” interpretation.
2. You and I both know that when you say armed, you’re imagining them roaming the halls with a gun on their side. Being trained with firearms does not require such a scenario. Come on, man. (Read that last line in Joe Biden’s voice)
That went well Lying Jeffy, thanks for the chuckle.
I was a kid in the 80’s, so some of you older gen xer’s can confirm for me, but weren’t there gun clubs that trained kids how to use firearms?
You don’t have to be reflexively against everything someone on the right says Jeff.
Yeap. They had it in a few schools here until the 80s and maybe even 90s. Think they may have switched to air soft here. I'm sure if I went to some of the smaller towns they may even have target shooting as a sport.
I know my high school didn’t have it, but I loved target shooting when I was in the scouts.
It was the best part of scout camp. That and archery. Actually exploring taking the latter up again.
I actually taught archery at summer camp. I should look into how much a good bow is.
It isnt actually that much. I mean sure they have the very high end. But a decent compound is about the same as a decent entry rifle. About 1k.
Just checked a few if my bookmarked sites. For just targets 600ish. For hunting about 1k.
If you say so.
Not actually sure what the fuck youre trying to imply. Yes there are cheap rifles as well, but not the ones I look at.
https://www.marineapproved.com/best-long-range-rifles/
Looking to troll tonight as well?
Keep in mind sarc’s poor.
I'm saying that hickock45 disagrees with your assertion that you must spend a thousand dollars for an entry level rifle.
So obviously he's a complete dumbass and everything he's ever said was wrong.
Also, everyone I know tells me that you don't need a long range rifle when you hunt in a forest, because most shots will be under 50 yards.
They must all be dumbasses as well.
Good to know. Thanks!
You can get a decent compound bow for $400-$800. Same with hunting rifles. Sure you can spend more, but there are diminishing returns. Something that costs twice as much isn't going to be twice as good.
I can think of several reasons to train kids with firearms at school, but warding off bad guys isn't one of them.
Please tell me this is faked. It is just too perfect an example of saying the quiet part out loud:
“MAGA Rep. Mary Miller Thanks Trump for Giving ‘White Life’ a Win”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-rep-mary-miller-thanks-trump-for-giving-white-life-a-win?source=cheats&via=rss
It doesn’t even make sense logically, since it’s not just white babies who would be saved from abortion. (Well, it doesn’t make sense logically, because women are still going to have abortions, just more clandestine.)
Kudos to Trump for his quick denunciation of Rep. Miller as a blatant racist.
Nobody believes you hope this is fake.
She said "President Trump… I want to thank you for the historic victory for Right to Life in the Supreme Court yesterday". Not "White life".
Mike and the Daily Beast know this, but because they're both Democrat shills and this is all they've got, they're running with it.
What awowt a wight to wife?
(Well, it doesn’t make sense logically, because women are still going to have abortions, just more clandestine.)
I still don't understand the rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth over this. All the Supremes did was make it a state issue. They didn't outlaw abortion. And it's not like people in abortion-unfriendly states won't have any options. I'm sure Planned Abortionhood and other organizations will finance bus tickets and whatnot to help women kill their unwanted children.
All correct. Women will still be able to get abortions, although it may involve travel.
I do get how women feel like it is an attempt by the Christian Right to make them second-class citizens.
There is always rending and gnashing, as standard way American’s do politics.
I do get how women feel like it is an attempt by the Christian Right to make them second-class citizens.
Are men banned from having tumors removed from their bodies? No. Well what's the difference between that and a growing baby? None. No difference at all. So this is Christians making women into second-class citizens.
Clearly it’s not just Christians that can make a moral case against abortion. And they’re definitely not the only ones who think some restrictions are acceptable (as I keep getting told, it’s only the most rabidly pro-abortion activists that think it should go all the way to crowning). So those women are just wrong.
Well, the next concern is that the next step is a nationwide abortion ban, brought to us by the magic of the Commerce Clause.
Of course Democrats will try to stop it tooth and nail so it isn't likely to happen in the near future.
However, if you take a look at the electoral map, particularly the Senate, there is a very real chance that Republicans could have a filibuster-proof majority after the 2024 election. So if that happens, who knows.
The left dropped the ball on this one. They had 50 years to legislate abortion on the federal level and never did.
No, it doesn't make sense because abortion has caused there to be much fewer black babies than any other demographic, which is why it was popular with Margaret Sanger and other eugenicists.
Marry a Southeast Asian girl and you'll soon find seaweed a regular part of your diet. I've learned to eat a lot of things that I never dreamed existed growing up in the Midwest in the 50s/60s.
Seaweed just is collateral damage from the activists very successful anti-aquaculture campaign.