States Can't Ban Out-of-State Travel To Get Abortions, Writes Kavanaugh
He also nixes the idea that states could "retroactively impose liability or punishment for an abortion that occurred before today's decision takes effect."

After a leaked draft opinion revealed in May that the Supreme Court was likely to overturn Roe v. Wade and upend U.S. abortion laws, one big question that hung in the air was whether states with abortion bans would be able to stop residents from traveling out of state to get abortions. The answer to that question is no, suggests Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
Kavanaugh was one of four justices who joined Justice Samuel Alito's ruling, released today, in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. True to the draft opinion, the Court did indeed overturn Roe, the 1973 decision saying the U.S. Constitution protected the right to get an abortion. Justice Clarence Thomas and Kavanaugh also filed their own concurring opinions.
"The issue before this Court…is not the policy or morality of abortion" but rather "what the Constitution says about abortion," writes Kavanaugh in his opinion. And "the Constitution does not take sides on the issue of abortion.…The Constitution is therefore neither pro-life nor pro-choice. The Constitution is neutral and leaves the issue for the people and their elected representatives to resolve through the democratic process in the States or Congress." In short: Each state can decide for itself about the legality of abortion.
But can states decide that their residents can't travel out of state for an abortion?
No—and it's not even "especially difficult as a constitutional matter," writes Kavanaugh in his concurring opinion.
To be clear, this opinion does not carry any legal weight in terms of setting precedent. But it does provide a view of where at least one justice is on the issue, and as such may inform decisions made by lower courts.
A state cannot bar its resident from traveling to another state to obtain an abortion because people have a constitutional right to interstate travel, suggests Kavanaugh.
He also nixes the idea that a state could "retroactively impose liability or punishment for an abortion that occurred before today's decision takes effect."
Additionally, Kavanaugh rejects the idea that the Dobbs ruling means the Court may reverse decisions related to birth control (Griswold v. Connecticut), same-sex marriage (Obergefell v. Hodges), or interracial marriage (Loving v. Virginia). "Overruling Roe does not mean the overruling of those precedents, and does not threaten or cast doubt on those precedents," he writes.
This runs somewhat counter to what Thomas suggested in his opinion: "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents including Griswold, Lawrence"—relating to sexual activity between same-sex partners—"and Obergefell," he wrote. (Thomas did not mention revisiting Loving.)
But Kavanaugh's vision on these precedents is more in line with the majority opinion, which distinguishes between Roe and another abortion precedent (Planned Parenthood v. Casey) and Loving, Lawrence, Griswold, and Obergefell. These decisions "do not support the right to obtain an abortion, and by the same token, our conclusion that the Constitution does not confer such a right does not undermine them in any way."
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The man who needs cue cards to know when to sit down is telling us that he has studied this SCOTUS ruling and believes the 6 constitutional experts are wrong.
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Of course Thomas stayed quiet on Loving.
Loving was decided on equal protection grounds.
It was decided on both equal protection and due process.
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That's because Thomas believes that race and sexual orientation are fundamentally different, so Loving and Obergefell are fundamentally different cases.
When a jurist is doing what the SC is supposed to do, interpreting the Constitution rather than making up rules based on nothing but his own preferences, there _is_ a fundamental difference. The 14th Amendment specifically banned racial discrimination. Show me the amendment banning discrimination for sexual orientation.
He’s not wrong.sexual orientation ties into behavior and actions. Race does not.
States Can't Ban Out-of-State Travel To Get Abortions, Writes Kavanaugh
That seems obvious to me. Even with our disgustingly distorted concept of interstate commerce these days, people moving from state-to-state should be pretty much free.
I'll not take on the question of Substantive Due Process because I don't know enough about it. It seems reasonable what Thomas is saying though.
Tell that to the USSC and the no fly list.
They said it was ok to restrict air travel because you could always *walk*.
Obvious to you? The crazies think a fetus is a baby. You can't bring babies across state lines to murder them.
A fetus is a baby you stupid shit.
I would question what state is considering banning out of state abortions given that they are not able to do so.
Absolutely right.
State A can't prosecute for action taken in State B. If the action taken was legal in State B then no legal action can be taken.
The court has previously held that states cannot restrict interstate travel.
Thomas' concurrence read more like another shot at "substantive due process" rather than at those cases in particular. He doesn't just talk about revisiting those opinions grounded in substantive due process - he also talks about maybe potentially upholding some unenumerated rights because they are '“privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States” protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.'
> After overruling these demonstrably erroneous decisions, the question would remain whether other constitutional provisions guarantee the myriad rights that our substantive due process cases have generated. For example, we could consider whether any of the rights announced in this Court’s substantive due process cases are “privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States” protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
He's been riding that horse for a long long time. I wish he could convince others. In the debates over the 14th Amendment, both pro and con, in Congress and concerning ratification, agreed with Thomas. It was the Supreme Court Slaughterhouse case which threw all that out and made it into a big nothing burger, and by then Reconstruction was almost over, everyone was tired of it and wanted to get on with their lives, and nobody wanted to correct that misconception.
A state cannot bar its resident from traveling to another state to obtain an abortion because people have a constitutional right to interstate travel, suggests Kavanaugh.
He also nixes the idea that a state could "retroactively impose liability or punishment for an abortion that occurred before today's decision takes effect."
Captain Obvious. Was that really necessary?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law-missouri-00018539
...and I don't think it would have any chance of surviving a challenge.
And that's why the statement was necessary. Because Republican legislators were already considering such restrictions.
You mean like Dems who are looking for ways to circumvent yesterday's 2A ruling.
Both teams look for ways to circumvent the Constitution in order to implement their agenda, yes.
You only care about one of the teams doing it though.
Pretty sure politicians do things knowing they are totally unconstitutional.
Sure they do and the courts should be quick to slap them down when they do.
Indeed.
Still, it was proposed. So, yes, it was not so obvious that it wasn’t worth Kavanaugh spelling it out.
You see when the second amendment was passed they only had muskets so you can't possess modern guns; so he's saying that when the right to travel was enacted we had horses, so taking a car to another State is not protected. (Got that from a libertarian).
^ in a way, this is how they've decided when it comes to planes... sigh
You cannot bar them but you can apply the consequences as if they has sought the service in-state. Look at how taxes get applied for both income and sales/use tax procured across state lines if you want a long standing example.
Yes, because it disarms some of the more ridiculous delusions of the leftists.
As Socialist Jugghead exemplifies.
This the same one that said the states CAN impose infringements on the second amendment?
If they can infringe one, they can infringe all.
I can just see it now, all you need to cross state lines to kill a baby is a full background check, 40 hours of instruction on the pregnancy process and the risks in terminating the same, and approval from the local sheriff. No big deal.
Tell me when you became a well regulated militia.
I'll wait.
as soon as I said i was. next question?
I've always been a well regulated militia.
Your reminder that Roe would still be there without Trump.
Worth every mean tweet.
People like you are the perfect argument for abortion.
Embrace your racism and seethe harder.
At my age, I’m a bit less regular.
Make your move, bitch.
States Can't Ban Out-of-State Travel To Get Abortions, Writes Kavanaugh
What about for covid/vaccines etc?
I'm pretty sure you're allowed to go to another state to get Covid as well.
What he read or hear the last 48 years, that made him think this would become an issue? Before Roe when the world was sane, people used to say the girl, (usually white and from middle to upper middle class) '...had to take a Tijuana taxi...'
Kavanaugh implied what should have occurred. Abortion is regulated by laws. Therefore, absent Congress passing a law, it is up to the States. For 48 years, Congress could have passes a law. They specifically chose not to. Even in the 80's, based on how Reagan expanded abortion rights in California as governor, there was a chance to get it passed and signed. But of course then, the strongest opponent was Teddy Kennedy. He was a practicing Catholic, as opposed to some Democratic leaders today.
Based on this decision, the court appears to have foreclosed action by Congress. They appear to be saying that the Federal Government has no role here at all and it entirely a state issue.
Every single country in Europe has more conservative abortion laws than places like Texas and Missouri except for one, which I think is the Netherlands.
It's gonna be ok .
I don't think that's true. I just looked up the first 3 countries that came to mind (France, Italy, Germany) and in France it's on demand for the first 14 weeks; in Italy for 90 days (and it's free); in Germany it's much stricter, but if you get counseling, you can still get one in the first trimester. I think in Texas the new law is no abortion from conception, except to save the life of the woman or to prevent a grave health risk--health being defined so as to rule out mental health issues.
It's interesting that the German law is so strict, though; I didn't know that. Looking into it more, in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, abortion is available on demand throughout the first trimester.
The first trimester is really long and I think there is a HUGE difference between a 6 week fetus and a 12 week baby. It really doesn't make sense to divide it up by trimesters. To me, abortion at 6 weeks is very sad but.... there are a ton of miscarriages at 6 weeks too. Life is very tenuous and uncertain at that point. By 12 weeks, you have a teeny tiny baby.
Most state laws recently passed are 20 weeks...
wait, 15 weeks... but Germany first trimester. That's 12 weeks.
What am I missing here, that feels more conservative than American pro-abortion activists would abide.
France is 12 weeks. It's technically illegal in Germany but with counseling available in the first trimester and severely restricted after that.
Most of Europe is 12-15 weeks.
I believe Texas is a heartbeat state ... so more like 4 weeks I think.
That was true yesterday. It's not true today.
If most justices thought interstate travel was constitutionally protected, wouldn’t they have said so in the majority opinion? That they didn’t and only a concurrence did is a worrying sign.
They also can’t pass a law making it a,low to gamble out of state in Nevada.
Some problems here.
1. The federal government has already made it illegal to travel to use drugs or engage in prostitution. It's already made it illegal to cross state line for ev n 'immoral purposes'. It's been modified but never overturned.
2. The USSC saying we have a right to interstate travel means we have a right to the *means* of interstate travel. Which counters previous precedent upholding the No Fly List.
3. It does cast doubt on those other rulings. The 'right' to abortion comes from the right to privacy which comes from the 'penumbras and emanations'. Ie, it's not an enumerated right. It's in the hazy list of 'we have all the rights'. There isn't a limiting principle that protects access to any of that other stuff anymore.
AG, on e can get a blowjob in NV, a blunt in CA, and mushrooms in CO without any consequences at home.
Other than with your wife.
You mean if I do those things, Mrs. AG will hunt me down and the consequences will be dire?
The man who needs cue cards to know when to sit down is telling us that he has studied this SCOTUS ruling and believes the 6 constitutional experts are wrong.
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Now that the radical extremist, and corrupt, far-Right Conservative activist justices have ruled that women are property again - The Maker/Contributor Blue States should pass laws forcing all Conservative women to have abortions.
That, children, is how you start to fight back to expose what the faults with Conservatism are.
^^^THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes..........................................
If Gov-Guns can FORCE people to reproduce....
They can FORCE people to NOT reproduce........
Individual Liberty took a huge hit by this Supreme Court ruling....
But the puritan dictators couldn't be happier with their Gov-Guns out "saving" their unicorns from those 'nasty evil' pregnant women.
But they are not forcing anyone to reproduce, they are just saying that ending it once you start is can be regulated by the individual states.
If they suggested that forced impregnation was within the rights of the states you will have to point that out to me.
"The Maker/Contributor Blue States should pass laws forcing all Conservative women to have abortions."
You're aware that this "study" could not have been more bullshit if possible...wait, no, you probably are not.
To think a state can ban residents actions when they are out of the state is the height of stupidity and would make governors dictators. That is against both the US and States constitutions.
As the Supreme Court just ruled and Pro-Life keeps insisting...
SHOW ME THAT RIGHT in the Constitution that says State's can't ban residents actions when they are out of State... I see no such right...
Kavanaugh really does a double take pretending the Constitution doesn't grant a right to abortion (right to privacy on PERSONAL matters) and at the same time claiming all these other PERSONAL rights still exist...
It really is an activist judgement....
True, especially since the precedent already exists for prosecuting people for doing things that are illegal at home, but perfectly fine in the place where they did them.
The entire "right to privacy" argument is either poorly done, on stupid. I leave will leave the selection to you.
Since the states regulate EVERY medical procedure, including who may perform it, where it can be performed, what medications can be used, who may get it, often how much it can cost, and who will pay for it, please explain why THIS particular medical procedure is protected via personal privacy and NONE of the others are.
This is why the Roe decision was so absurd. It conjured a right to a particular medical procedure on "personal privacy" grounds while leaving every other medical procedure a privilege.
Absolutely and completely intellectually dishonest and illogical.
To add on to this, if it is a "right" then how could it be restricted by the magical trimester formula? Roe was not only wrongly decided, by was a ticking time bomb that was either going to require resolution as a real right ... and consider what all the ramifications of that would be, or overturned and sent back to the states.
Yes they can. Its not affecting state travel to ban them from committing a crime.
If they want to move and no longer be under the state's jurisdiction, they can and that can't be banned.
Don't be silly. Alabama can't prevent you from flying to Vegas because they think you might hire a hooker once you get there.
If states could really do that Vegas would be empty.
As long as it is not a penalty, right?
You want to impose a tax on a person who goes out of state to enjoy what the other state offers?
but I see no reason why they cannot impose, say, a tax.
Commerce clause.
Okay, then no questions but a request. Please explain what you meant.
I mean, any comment made by a dumbass like yourself doesn't deserve the bytes spent sending it.
The same powers that allow the states to pass laws. Nearly every country has abortion laws at the sovereign level. Even Italy has a 90 limit for legal abortion. The US is an anomaly that the legislature declined to pass a law.
Not too different from the courts shooting down Executive Orders with comments that law is the responsibility of the Congress, not the President.
In this case, it was not the responsibility of the Courts to pass law. Congress was responsible to make law.
Commerce clause? Seems to allow basically anything these days.
I don't see why they couldn't?
The only laws that Congress can't pass laws on (generally) are laws that would be in violation of the constitution, or go beyond the enumerated powers.
I don't always like to agree with you, but you're dead on here.
What Kyle might be missing is that the federal government is constitutionally extremely limited. That document is an enumeration of, specifically, what powers it has, period.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Obviously a couple hundred years of politicians trying to circumvent the rules have watered it all down. commerce clause. But the point was to very clearly state that, if it ain't here, it belongs to the states and people. Not the other way around.
It would likely fall under the Ninth Amendment that puts it back to the people.
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Laws are passed through their representatives, whether the State or Federal level. Unenumerated rights are not ignored or denied. If the Ninth didn't exist, then it would fall to only the States by the Tenth.
you're absolutely correct but that ship sailed a long time ago.
All jurisprudence today, even this recent ruling, is based on teh theory that the ONLY right you have are explicitly stated in the constutition and everything else is up for grabs by the government.
It's frustrating and depressing but that's how our enlightened masters see it now days.
Read the holding. There is no federal jurisdiction in regards to abortion.
Read the ruling. He clearly states there is no constitutional provision for federal abortion control.
And yet here you are.
You’re not very bright. While we are. At least much more intelligent than you.
lmao... And that has ever stopped them when???
Oh yeah; Roe v Wade stopped them - but that's over now...
Thanks F'ers....
Remind me to come back to your comment in about 2027 when Kavanaugh is hearing arguments regarding a 2025 nationwide ban on abortion. Brett's going to pull out his magnifying glass and find the place where the Constitution says the federal government _can_ regulate it.
Please explain where the enumerated powers includes healthcare..
It seems the general consensus in this Nazi-Addled Nation is that whatever 'Right' isn't specially spelled out to a T (and even then is questioned to it's thinnest possible thread) or isn't specifically granted by a Supreme Court precedence doesn't exist.
WAY TOO MUCH LOVE OF THOSE GOV-GUNS (i.e. Too many mental dictators; who want's to make PLANS for everyone else) and can't mind their own F'En business. Individual Liberty can't exist in such a Power-Mad society.
Exactly!
NOPE. States have use taxes, and they have been held constitutional.
This would be the RARE proper application of the Commerce Clause.
Excellent point! That is a side benefit of the decision.
If they do it will get struck down immediately.
Nope.
Yep, and I pretty sure that if they were able to run off half cocked and pass a nationwide abortion ban anyway that a federal court would put a stay on it immediately.
You’ve really lost your shit over this.