Political Violence Escalates in a Fracturing U.S.
Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies.

After a week featuring a House hearing into the Capitol riot, the attempted assassination of a U.S. Supreme Court justice, the firebombing of an anti-abortion group, and the arrest of extremists apparently ready to rumble at a Pride Month event, it's fair to say that political violence is now part of American life. With the right and left at each other's throats, the U.S. resembles Italy in the 1970s when ideologically motivated clashes plunged the country into years of turmoil. Italy eventually got its problems (mostly) under control, but the U.S. might suffer less pain by decentralizing power and restraining the state's reach so that people need not fear abuse when enemies win office.
Political violence-wise, Thursday's House hearing into the riot on January 6, 2021, was supposed to be the headliner. Video "showed people rushing Capitol Police officers and fighting them, tearing down barricades, and throwing tear gas" in the words of Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown, as they tried to interfere with the count of electoral votes cementing then-President Donald Trump's loss to Joe Biden.
But the day before, a California man was arrested outside Justice Brett Kavanaugh's house for attempted murder. The threat was cut short when the would-be assassin turned himself in. He was reportedly motivated by pending decisions regarding abortion and gun rights and targeted one of the conservative justices who have been on the receiving end of protests at their homes after the leak of a draft opinion that could overturn Roe v. Wade.
On Tuesday, prior to the drama in D.C., a center near Buffalo, New York, operated by the anti-abortion group CompassCare, was firebombed. It was one of several such incidents in recent weeks. In May, there was a similar arson attack in Madison, Wisconsin, for which a group calling itself "Jane's Revenge" claimed responsibility as part of a campaign to force the "disbanding of all anti-choice establishments." On Friday, there was another attack in Gresham, Oregon.
To cap things off, on Saturday, 31 members of Patriot Front, a white nationalist group that uses fasces as a symbol, were arrested in Idaho near an Idaho LGBT Pride parade. They were uniformed, with their faces covered, and traveling in a rental truck. "They had shields, shin guards, and other riot gear with them including at least one smoke grenade," according to Coeur d'Alene Police Chief Lee White.
So, it was a busy week, for a certain definition of "busy." And these recent incidents are only the latest in a series of violent assaults across the political divide in a country in which people with conflicting views are, too often, no longer opponents but enemies who fear and despise one another.
"Support for partisan 'violence today' is similar to what it was early this year--or even a little higher. In February, 20% of Reps & 13% of Dems said violence was at least a little OK," political scientist Nathan Kalmoe pointed out last summer. "In June, 24% of Reps & 19% of Dems said the same."
Before the 2020 election and subsequent Capitol riot, Kalmoe co-authored an article warning of growing "willingness of Democrats and Republicans alike to justify violence as a way to achieve political goals."
Since then, some researchers have suggested that surveys disengaged from real life overstate support for political violence. But they emphasize that "any amount of support for political violence is troubling." And, of course, events such as those of the past week offer grounds for concern.
The U.S. isn't the first country to face violent political woes. Starting in the late 1960s and into the 1980s, Italy suffered battles between far-left and far-right factions that became known as the anni di piombo, or years of lead.
"As the 1960s ended, some Italians decided liberalism was doomed," The Economist noted in 2017. "Marxist extremists, notably the Red Brigades, began kidnapping and assassinating 'anti-worker' officials: policemen, judges, journalists. Their right-wing opponents bombed civilians to 'drown democracy under a mountain of corpses'. Both sides hoped to weaken the state and to spark revolution or a military takeover. Members of the Italian secret service nudged things along, working with neo-fascist killers to frame the left."
Italy eventually broke the terror groups, though it took two decades, and the legacy lingers in politics and culture. The U.S. might spare itself from years of similar conflict if it were to address Americans' fear of abuse at the hands of government controlled by opponents who scare the hell out of them.
Polling last fall by the University of Virginia Center for Politics found three-quarters of Democrats and Republicans alike believe supporters of the other side represent "a clear and present danger to the American way of life." People cede power to those with whom they simply disagree, but government by "a clear and present danger" looks like an existential threat when politicians use far-reaching laws, taxes, and regulatory authority to punish opponents. That's an increasingly common practice under politicians of both major parties through efforts like Operation Chokepoint's weaponized financial regulations, or the revival of politicized "seditious conspiracy" charges. A toxic political culture inevitably gnaws at institutions intended to allow for the peaceful transitions of power.
"The most common outcome of episodes where democracies reached pernicious levels of polarization was some form of major democratic decline," Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Researchers wrote earlier this year in a study that ranks the U.S. as more polarized than Italy was during the years of lead. "There are no peer analogues for the United States' current political divisions—and the track record of all democracies does not provide much consolation."
But we could dial down tensions by reducing the danger of people being at the mercy of their enemies. We would need to reverse decades of centralization and expansion of government so that people could live by rules and arrangements that don't constitute malicious threats. That is, people should be able to escape governance by those who wish them harm, so they don't feel driven to extreme measures.
"Democracies in sectarian societies often create institutional arrangements to protect the minority, like minority or group rights, power-sharing agreements, devolution or home rule," Nate Cohn observed last year in The New York Times before tensions reached current levels. "Otherwise, the most alienated segments of the minority might resort to violence and insurgency in hopes of achieving independence."
"Reforms should aim to lower the high stakes of elections and give voters more voice and more choice," agree the Carnegie authors.
There's no clear solution to what appear to be America's own years of lead. But tensions won't simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies. That won't happen until government is less powerful, less centralized, and less of a dangerous weapon in the hands of those in office.
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1 / 6 was literally worse than 9 / 11.
#Resist
The strangest thing about 1/6 is the democrats braying about the dozen or so cops injured. Yet not one word nor investigation of the BLM riot in D.C. where they burned down a church. Tore down WH barriers. And 150 cops were injured. Not a single whisper. In fact the media mocked Trump for going to his bunker.
They didn't "burn[] down a church." They lit a fire in the nursery in the basement of the St. John's Episcopal Church parish house (next door to the church itself) that was extinguished before it did much damage beyond that room. The antifa/BLM goons who set the fire may well have intended to burn the church down, but they fell far short of that goal.
It's still appalling that the Episcopal bishop of Washington was more upset that Donald Trump stood in front of the church holding a bible than she was at the arson itself.
I half-assume the Episcopal bishop was more offended by the Bible than anything else.
Probably didn't know what it actually was.
"Strange book, looks like an old dictionary or something.
A bible? Yeah, I heard of those back in divinity school... the prof's said not to read it. Judgmental and demanding or something"
Nah. No such luck with an Episcopalian. Only with a Unitarian Universalist.
Trump stood there very resolutely while holding the bible upside down.
1) Even Snopes has had to admit that is a lie.
2) If it were true, what exactly would that mean to you???
He's not quite sure... but it must mean something.
Stupid Citizen. FIFY.
Social Credit systems, calling free speech "disinformation" is all coming from the left. Changing the number in the SC..again the left. Pushing personal choices via govt (is "pride" any different than having the moral majority pushing govt to celebrate traditional families in the 80s?). Calling anyone who disagrees with war in the Ukraine a traitor (calling Eugene Debbs?). Pushing for govt funded "therapists" to roam govt elementary schools to "protect and support child abuse and on and on...it is always the left. Has been for 30 plus years. Bolshies, socialists and cultural marxists are the threat..not some "Trump voters." These folks are nuts..."math is racist".."whiteness is a disease"..who the hell says this crap? The left today in the US is very similar to the Bolsheviks who tried to overthrow multiple central European nations in the 1920's...total anti religion and anti liberty scum.
Agreed. More "both sides" crap from reason. Waste of pixels.
Really? Such hyperbole!
Nearly 3000 American Citizens died, World Trade Center towers destroyed into a pile of rubble, the Pentagon attacked (which is a seat of government power, just like the Capitol), loss of freedoms from the resulting rush to "do something," that something being the misnamed "Patriot Act," and you think a bunch of idiots being allowed into the building by Capitol Police was worse?
OBL is a parody. Catch up.
Not smart enough, from the writing, to notice the fairly clear trend of sarcasm in OBL's posts. Catching up seems unlikely, claiming victimhood seems more likely.
IOW, a philistine. Art is lost on such.
Hey now! Yhat's racist, man!
9/11 is greater than 1/6.
Take a look at the mathematician over here.
I'm an engineer, not some numerical abstractionist.
"I'm mad at numbers. There is like too many of them."
That's why they invented the imaginary ones.
I like to think of them as complex.
Next up: Heisenberg jokes.
Heisenberg jokes can be considered to be both funny and unfunny at the same time.
Unfortunately they collapse upon observation
Motorcycle cop thru loudspeaker: "Sir, do you realize you're going 90 miles an hour?"
Heisenberg: "Thanks a lot, asshole. Now I'm lost!"
Well you do need them for quantum mechanics..calling the Schrödinger equation...
Lol. A B&B reference. Nice.
Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop
fearingwanting power in the hands ofenemies. anyone.FTFY, 2Chilly.
Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop
fearingwanting power in the hands ofenemiesanyone.FTFMe. 🙂
Fortunately, Patriot Front's staged arrest allowed for headlines about right-wing groups organizing to get everyone back to talking about January 6th.
Well, that's what they hope anyway.
After all, an attack or protest or something on a pride parade or gathering in some small town in Idaho truly merits the front page news it's been touted as.
Particularly when it's from the group that in no way appears to be a bunch of feds larping what leftists think the right is like.
they have said as much out loud. Their last hail mary with the economy spiraling into the shitter, is to try and make J6 a thing again.
Unfortunately for them half the country doesnt give 2 shits, and 100% of the country has to deal with the recession
I'm guessing of the half that give 2 shits, about 80% barely do, and not enough that it matters nearly as much as their pocketbooks. My usual batch of blue-check typos on my Facebook friend list didn't post shit after the first night of TV. The same people were posting hardcore about gun control for the previous 2 weeks.
"Particularly when it's from the group that in no way appears to be a bunch of feds larping what leftists think the right is like."
That was kind of my impression: Did somebody hire actors to cosplay Nazis? Sounds like it.
Bought them matching outfits with brand new, unworn boots too
The damndest thing was that even though the cops nicely kept them masked for some reason, two of the arrested Nazis were obviously black.
I can't help but think of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
If Azathoth's "larping" theory is correct (as I think it is), I don't see what moral scruples would prevent these people from actually killing innocent Americans if it helps keep Democrats in power.
None at all. I'd suggest that there are some who want such violence. Were someone to kill a Justice, the first response from the left would be "one more seat for us."
Thank you. Thought it was just me.
How long before someone notices a lack of condemnation of the summer riots in the article, and then claims that equals full support?
After all, failure to condemn equals support, and failure to support equals condemnation.
By the fourth post--some asshole named 'sarcasmic' brought it up.
hes just trying the old 'poisoning the well' gambit
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Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a type of informal fallacy where adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1864).[1] The etymology of the phrase lies in well poisoning, an ancient wartime practice of pouring poison into sources of fresh water before an invading army, to diminish the invading army's strength.
More like heading it off at the pass.
you dont have to project your fears...
if you are tired of the phenom you describe then ignore.
If you are frustrated that there is no decisive counter to the arguments you are anticipating - deal with it.
I think that what you fear is just the thesis that those not condemning such actions are generally 'condemnation blind' to just one side of the political duopoly. If such is the case in reality then it does heavily suggest [though obviously not necessarily so] that lack of condemnation IS support - if not the specific policy - certainly for the political team.
You fear that because (I believe) you know it to be true.
BTW... I think i have been noticinging (and appreciated) an increasing number of you comments that have been more balanced of late. Maybe its just because of the various topics, but either way - not obviously trying to trigger. This preemptive comment above is not of that class and can only serve to provoke.
I'm just tired of the strawman factory saying "So-and-so didn't say anything about this subject! That's because they think [insert strawman here]! Now here's all the reasons why they're wrong!"
For the love of God learn what a fucking strawman argument is.
I’m surprised he isn’t raving about the ‘jerk store’.
This made me choke on my coffee. I can almost visualize it.
Maybe he’s planning on slipping one of us a ‘Mickey’.
You're reading way too deeply into this. I'm not afraid of whatever it is you say I'm afraid of. No, I'm just tired of certain individuals shitting up the comments with "What they don't say is telling! This is what they didn't say!" followed by the creation, and then destruction, of a strawman that exists only in their imagination.
You were just trolling.
We all know how much you hate hypocrisy.
There's nothing hypocritical about disagreeing with your many strawmen.
Please learn what a strawman is.
Jack del Rio of the Washington Commanders NFL team did. His employers are fining him 10 grand for comparing the noble BLM riots to the dirty Capitol riot.
They go after whoever they can identify, usually because they were caught on camera. Rioters wearing hoods and masks are hard to identify, even when on camera. (wearing masks in public is still illegal in many places, even when it's required, for that reason)
That is the simple reason why these guys are being targeted for prosecution while those guys are not. It ain't politics. You can't prosecute people you can't identify.
People who know they're committing a crime will try to hide their identities. People who are not set out to commit a crime will have no reason to hide their identities.
Perrhaps you can tell us how many BLM rioters who *were* identifies and arrested are still in prison? Now how many Jan 6th trespassers are?
Nope. Hundreds if not thousands of positively identified rioters and thugs on leftist cities all over the country have had charges dropped by Soros elected DAs.
Add i to that the fact that police have been routinely told to stand down whenever BLM were rioting and it means there is even less chance that more people won't be identified or arrested.
Actually, while it is true that George Soros has poured money into a targeted set of state DA races, that set contains only six states total, and few of them were really the hotbeds of BLM violence that would make an accusation of Soros-disruption relevant (with perhaps one notable exception). The Soros-targeted states are: Florida (where they have passed one of the country's most aggressive anti-riot laws), Illinois (which I grant you), Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico (my own state) and Texas.
It was actually $100k. His team is also trying to raise public money for a new stadium.
"His employers are fining him 10 grand for comparing the noble BLM riots to the dirty Capitol riot."
Actually ten times that amount.
Democrats are absolutely terrified of the truth, and need to crush all opposition to their Big Lie.
The question is what to do. If you know a storm is coming, prepare.
For my part, it is to get small and withdraw; bide my time. It will take time for this cycle to end - years and years, not months and months. Concurrently, I am looking at moving to a more rural area of the country with lower taxes than the People's Republic of NJ. What do I really need beyond a concrete pad, electric/sewer hookup, and a halfway decent manufactured home in the hills? I have pretty simple tastes, and a lower budget lifestyle.
Get yourselves out of any debt, have a cash cushion. Keep investing in your 401K, Roth and taxable; everything went on sale.
The point is: Prepare.
Get an 80% lower kit while you can.
What is that, sarcasmic? = '80% lower kit'
https://www.5dtactical.com/categories/build-kits/
With a jig, a router and a drill, you can make your very own AR15 lower sans serial number. Putting the parts together isn't super difficult, and when you're done you have a totally legal ghost gun. You just can't legally transfer it to anyone.
The only part I needed help with was the detent pins. Those sucked. The rest was fairly easy.
???
sarcasmic
November.19.2021 at 1:45 pm
I don't carry a gun. I'm not a great shot and I lack training. Doing so would be inviting trouble that I don't know how to handle.
https://reason.com/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-has-been-acquitted-on-all-charges/?comments=true#comment-9219393
Wow, he REALLY can’t keep track of his lies.
Why not just buy lowers? They are everywhere and you can get them in p2p sales.
Principle.
And there's the satisfaction of being able to say "I made this."
Do you claim you made your bed because you put it together from IKEA?
Not in many states
Good advice
Well getting out of that experimental State [New Jersey = what life would be like in all states had we lost the Revolution or the Cold War] would certainly be a major step in the right direction.
Avoid states with an significant urban population; even if you don't live near them they have a way of fucking up elections and sticking you with an arbitrary government.
My litmus test has often been those places that are 2A friendly are usually good on most accounts. But if a plurality of citizen embrace the belief that it is the state's job to protect and provide for you, forget about it.
Rural Florida, away from the coasts.
"I am looking at moving to a more rural area of the country"
It was the more rural areas, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, that suffered most in the USSR under Stalin. That's where the most state theft of food took place, and the most profound social engineering was enacted.
I'm not under the impression that it will work that well in a country with 400,000 guns, most of them in those rural areas. There won't be any shooting, but nobody will be stupid enough to try and take shit from the rural area.
"I'm not under the impression that it will work that well in a country with 400,000 guns"
You'll have to take a trip into town if you want to buy ammo, won't you? That will mean passing through government road blocks and check points if the USSR under Stalin is to be our model.
Most rural locations are and rural homes are way better stocked than you assume they are.
If it's at the point that there are armed checkpoints, I would only need to go as far as the closest checkpoint for ammo. Operationally you could expect 1 minute for each mile the backup had to travel to get there. (And that's if you don't have friends waiting to surprise the backup).
It’s 400 million guns, and I don’t think you grasp the fact that everyone has been stocking up on ammo since Obama’s first term. I know plenty of people with thousands of rounds of ammunition, or more.
"I know plenty of people with thousands of rounds of ammunition, or more."
You'll find plenty more if you visit Ukraine. It's no way to hold off a modern army determined to do their worst.
You know that it’s illegal to turn the military loose on the American population, right?
No, of course you don’t. Nor do you care. That’s ok. The bulk of the military favors us Americans, not you democrats.
"The bulk of the military favors us Americans, not you democrats."
The germ warfare agents the military is cooking up makes no distinction.
So the democrat solution will be to commit war crimes against it’s own people? Damn, that’s pretty evil, even for democrats.
"So the democrat solution will be to commit war crimes against it’s own people?"
You should read a history of the US civil war. Armed bands stealing food from the populace, conscription, whole cities burned to the ground, prisoners kept in appalling conditions. I expect much the same in any future civil war, only this time with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.
My inlaws live in Dixie County, FL (just south of the Georgia line). I pity any Leftist who thinks they can tell those Florida Crackers how to think, talk or vote. Hell, even my 70+ year old mother-in-law carries.
"Hell, even my 70+ year old mother-in-law carries."
Her enemies carry an army, navy, air force, and a space force.
Listen, I'm going to try and explain it.
A totalitarian government wants control of humans, not irradiated glass.
You can't control an entire country and it's people with nukes, tanks, jets, battleships, drones or anything that idiots like Swalwell think trumps citizen ownership of firearms.
Nukes, tanks, drones and battleships can not stand on street corners and enforce "no assembly" edicts. A fighter jet can't kick down your door at 3 AM and search for contraband.
None of these things, especially nukes, can maintain the needed police state to completely subjugate and enslave a nation. A government doesn't want to kill everyone and blow up it's own infrastructure. These are the things it needs to be a tyranny in the first place.
If they used nukes on everything outside of DC, they would be the absolute rulers of a big, worthless, radioactive pile of crap.
Police are always needed to maintain a police state. Boots on the ground. And no matter how many police you have on the ground, they will always be vastly outnumbered by civilians, which is why in a police state it is vital that your police have automatic weapons, while the people have nothing but their own limp dicks.
BUT, when every pedestrian has a Glock, and every homeowner has an AR-15, all that goes right out the window, because the Stasi are now outnumbered and face the real possibility of defeat.
If you want living examples, look at every insurgency the US military has tried to destroy.
They're all still kicking with nothing more than AK-47's, pickup trucks and improvised explosives, because the big, scary military machines are all but useless in dealing with them.
"A totalitarian government wants control of humans, not irradiated glass."
You haven't read your history. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot didn't need nukes or weapons to control humans. Food and famine were enough. Glocks are wonderful things, but not very nutritious.
They didn’t have a populace that was armed to the teeth to contend with.
What has this armed to the teeth populace done for us lately? You seem to have high expectations of them, and I think you'll be in for a disappointment. They lack organization, don't trust each other, are self satisfied, self indulgent and believe that gun violence is the answer to their problems.
That can change real fast. And most of the food isn’t produced in de o rats strongholds. So you might be very surprised who gets starved out.
I’m sure you’re just giddy at visions of the democrats fully transforming into a Marxist Soviet.
So does my 86-yer old MIL.
Spoken like a conurbation-dwelling sophist and apologist for communism. If you knew anything about rural areas other than what you assume, you would be able to offer insight.
I'm just giving you the facts. You mute this user if you don't like them.
I’m sure you’ll be properly muted, soon enough.
It’s also where most of the illiteracy was. Makes me wonder: how much did Soviet literacy statistics improve from exterminating people who most likely couldn’t read?
Not that they targeted people explicitly for being illiterate when they killed millions of their own people (heaven forbid I accuse them of that level of evil).
"It’s also where most of the illiteracy was. "
Never heard of Tajikistan? That's the name of the USSR republic which enjoyed the reputation as being the poorest and most backward. The notion that the Ukraine was particularly a focus of illiteracy is ludicrous and wrong. The notion that Ukrainians were targeted for extermination to boost official literacy statistics is also ludicrous and wrong. Read Solzhenitsyn's Gulag to educate yourself on the nature of the period. The abridged version will do fine.
"Makes me wonder: how much did Soviet literacy statistics improve from exterminating people who most likely couldn’t read?"
I promise you, those communist party members and military officers who were targeted in the purges could read. You can rest assured on that matter.
Rural areas and farmers were where illiteracy was the highest. It’s also where most of the victims of the Terror Famine were. These are just facts.
"Rural areas and farmers were where illiteracy was the highest."
If you've found some statistics on the matter you feel are trustworthy, I invite you to share them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez
I don't see anything about Ukraine or how Stalin organized a famine there to exterminate illiterates and inflate Soviet literacy statistics. That appears to be an invention of your own making. And a silly and pointless one, at that.
I never said they targeted people for being illiterate. I said they killed people who had the highest rates of illiteracy in society. That’s different.
Colonels, generals, admirals and political commissars all have their shortcomings. Illiteracy is not among them.
That's very true, but then there's the other huge swaths of their own people that the Russians killed. Millions.
They were hardly all colonels, generals, admirals, and political commissars.
If you're contending that Stalin disproportionately targeted illiterates for extermination to inflate literacy rates, again, I invite you to share your statistics. You might be confused with Kampuchea under Pol Pot, who intentionally targeted urban dwellers and literate people for extermination. It's worth noting that Pol Pot was more a follower of Mao than Stalin and party cadres in Cambodia typically wore a watch on their wrist and a fountain pen prominently in their jacket pocket, even if they couldn't understand their use.
I'm asking a simple question: did the people the Russians killed tend to be more or less illiterate than the population at large?
It's a difficult question. Sure, the Terror Famines killed lots of agrarian people, who traditionally were amongst the most illiterate. On the other hand, they explicitly targeted for execution people who read and wrote unapproved thoughts. They were most undoubtedly literate. So did the killings help or hurt Russian literacy rates? Hard to tell. That's why I'm asking.
"So did the killings help or hurt Russian literacy rates?"
Literacy rates under the Bolsheviks rose from something like 30% to 97%. I doubt the killings would have helped that much if at all.
They also changed the literacy standards, though, such that an adult who could read and write his own name was deemed "literate."
I assume that was out of efficiency. If the only thing you need to read and write is your own signature on a false confession during torture, what more do you need?
"...Literacy rates under the Bolsheviks rose from something like 30% to 97%. I doubt the killings would have helped that much if at all."
Hint: It takes a fucking idiot like trueman to accept the credibility of ANY data offered by the Soviets, but that is a true measure of his imbecility.
""So did the killings help or hurt Russian literacy rates?"
Literacy rates under the Bolsheviks rose from something like 30% to 97%. I doubt the killings would have helped that much if at all."
If you kill off (mostly) the ones not smart enough--or educated enough--to be literate, then a larger percentage of the survivors will be literate. Good idea to be literate enough to read the handwriting on the wall....
"If you kill off (mostly) the ones not smart enough--or educated enough--to be literate, then a larger percentage of the survivors will be literate."
If you kill off the literate ones, then a larger percentage of the survivors will be illiterate.
They did kill a lot of people for reading and writing unapproved thoughts.
I wonder how they felt, being forced to learn to read in order to eat, and then given a consistent diet of agitprop, all deviations from the reading menu punished with death.
You might think of it as “systemic literacism.”
BTW, before wasting bandwidth engaging the asshole trueman, here's a sample of his 'intelligence':
"mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
with lower taxes than the People's Republic of NJ
Way to narrow it down, XY. And fuck Phil Murphy.
Yes....Phuck Phil Murphy.
Borrow and buy hard assets. I got a 2.75% rate to buy home improvements or whatever.
I don't live in Berkeley or Portland thus not worried.
"To cap things off, on Saturday, 31 members of Patriot Front, a white nationalist group that uses fasces as a symbol, were arrested in Idaho near an Idaho LGBT Pride parade. They were uniformed, with their faces covered, and traveling in a rental truck. "They had shields, shin guards, and other riot gear with them including at least one smoke grenade," according to Coeur d'Alene Police Chief Lee White."
31 guys in a rental truck? They had no weapons; and holy shit their faces were covered! I'm unclear how being *near* a pride parade or having defensive gear qualifies as "political violence".
I am curious what the charges actually were. What law did they break....motor vehicle?
"All 31 face charges of conspiracy to riot, a misdemeanor. Additional charges may be pending."
"Police said those arrested come from at least 11 states, including Washington, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Colorado, South Dakota, Illinois, Arkansas, Wyoming and Virginia. At least one is from Idaho."
So why does 31 guys from around the country, converge on CDA, Idaho? Stange...
https://cdapress.com/news/2022/jun/11/local-law-enforcement-derail-rioters-plans/
Will there be any mug shots?
List of names: https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/jun/12/sheriffs-office-releases-names-of-31-patriot-front/
Reddit thread including various twitter links with pictures: https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/varwp7/all_these_detained_suspects_get_to_keep_their/
The reddit thread is r/conspiracy, so I'd ignore the comments themselves (and the post title) and just scan it for things colored like hyperlinks.
Names:
By 8 p.m., 18 members of the group had been booked into the Kootenai County jail: Dylan C. Corio; Kieran P. Morris; Thomas R. Rousseau; Derek J. Smith; Dakota R. Tabler; Steven D. Tucker; Robert B. Whitted; Brandon M. Haney; James M. Johnson; James J. Johnson; Justin M. O’Leary; Forrest C. Rankin; Spencer T. Simpson; Devin W. Center; Winston W. Durham; Garret J. Garland; Nathaniel T. Whitfield.
31 were taken into custody.
Oh FFS....A misdemeanor?
So no actual violence occurred, but somehow we are under threat from the Patriot Front? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit, like the Hutaree shit from MI.
Mind you, actual violence instigated by marxists to disrupt protests have faced no consequences for years and their propagandists like Tuccille cheer their bloodshed on.
and their propagandists like Tuccille cheer their bloodshed on.
And that's part of the problem. When all the rhetoric is swept away, you don't get political violence as a one-off, however much you may want to. Once you open that Pandora's box it's open for all sides. And the ultimate political winners on both sides aren't the Reason magazines who gave those willing to use violence a wink and a nod. They're not the ones who get political results. It's the thugs who get results that gain political power. Because the "respectable" then find themselves in need of the thugs protection from the other side's thugs.
Agreed. And this must be repeated.
TooSilly is indeed an asshole who has done nothing but make more violence likely.
He's also an idiot who wants to pretend he wasn't repeatedly warned about the problems that are inevitable when political opponents cross bright lines and make themselves into enemies
But that's what we get from a publication chocked full of red diaper babies who were taught to think that the Weathermen, SLA, Black Panthers et al were just hunky dory.
Wouldn't be surprised to find out that FBI agents organized this group, and then urged locals to arrest them (just so left wing media propagandists could falsely claim that both left and right wing groups are causing lots of violence (when in fact left wingers have caused 100 times more violence and property damage).
"Wouldn't be surprised to find out that FBI agents organized this group, and then urged locals to arrest them "
Arrest them before they did any rioting? Highly doubtful. That's not how agents provocateur work.
"(when in fact left wingers have caused 100 times more violence and property damage)"
That's how it's supposed to work. What's the point of going to the trouble of organizing a group if the intended violence doesn't happen?
I suspect the group got turned in before the FBI agents embedded in the group could start the violence. All it would take is one "concerned citizen" calling the local PD about a bunch of guys wearing masks.
"I suspect the group got turned in before the FBI agents embedded in the group could start the violence."
More plausible. The idea that the FBI 'urged locals to arrest them' before the pride march began is less plausible.
They don't want actual violence, which might inspire actual insurgents to act, they want the appearance of a threat of violence.
"they want the appearance of a threat of violence."
Then they failed. Idaho Bob tells us they had no weapons.
Local law enforcement intervened too early.
Wouldn't be surprised if they were at least half FBI agents.
So the same charges that Nixon's DOJ brought against the Chicago Seven (f/k/a the Chicago Eight). I hope the defendants pull some Abbie Hoffman disruptive shit at the trial.
Not that strange, actually. The neo-Nazis used to converge on CDA every summer, mainly because the media loved to broadcast it and play up the compound in Hayden Lake, all 24 members.
“The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Patriot Front as a “white nationalist hate group” that formed after the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Va. in 2017.
The organization reportedly broke off from Vanguard America, a neo-Nazi group that participated in the Charlottesville rally, and focuses on “theatrical rhetoric and activism” that can be distributed as “propaganda.””
Invoking SPLC doesn’t help the credibility of this article. The whole thing appears vague and unsubstantiated. Especially when according to the DNC, anyone not bowing to the democrat agenda is a ‘white supremacist’.
Reads like antifa, except for the getting arrested part - - - - - - - -
Meanwhile....
ShutDownDC
@ShutDown_DC
Last spokes council, grounding ourselves in why we’re going to #ShutDownSCOTUS tomorrow. These unelected extremists are trying to steal our rights and roll us backwards on issue after issue - abortion, guns, environment, due process, &c. They are illegitimate & the people say no.
Will a single one be charged and held in solitary for a year?
I don't mind them arresting 31 larpers I just wonder why they are not as vigilant with BLM/Antifa rioters who also show up at places with mask, shield, gas bombs, weapons etc. I want the law to be equal and we are not getting that for political reason and why violence from both sides will get worse since when one side is silenced violence becomes their only recourse to promoted violence.
Democrats and Republicans alike believe supporters of the other side represent "a clear and present danger to the American way of life."
Obviously the solution is for the Rs and Ds to produce primetime specials clearly explaining why their sides do not represent "a clear and present danger to the American way of life."
"Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
No, tensions will not diminish until Americans stop pushing ideological doctrines that require everyone else to submit to their puritan delusions.
"...ideological doctrines that require everyone else to submit to their puritan delusions."
It's not ok to want to be left alone. Words are violence and so is silence, right?
At least one side says they want to reduce government involvement in your lives while the other promises to increase it.
"...but the U.S. might suffer less pain by decentralizing power and restraining the state's reach"
I think you just described the progressive ethos. Centralizing power and reaching out and touching you is what they do.
"Reforms should aim to lower the high stakes of elections and give voters more voice and more choice," agree the Carnegie authors.
Only partially correct. We can reduce the stakes of elections by reducing the role of government in running society and the economy.
Word.
Shouldn’t that be “…reducing the role of government in ruining society and the economy “?
Not if leftists get elected, and continue to dominate the federal bureaucracy
"the U.S. might suffer less pain by decentralizing power and restraining the state's reach so that people need not fear abuse when enemies win office."
Who is going to do that? The same people abusing power? The people keep re-electing them.
Didn't know what a fasces was so I looked it up (from wikipedia):
The fasces is an Italian symbol that had its origin in the Etruscan civilization and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction.
So a bunch of anti-government types use a historic symbol of government/collective power. Totally not feds.
Well of course they do, because "They wanna put ya'll back in chains!" [Joe Biden, 2014]
Sorry comment skipped around an responded to wrong person.
And then there is the whole US Army PSYOPs group admitting they control everything:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93bxwz/armys-new-recruitment-ad-looks-like-a-terrifying-video-game-cutscene
They have next to 0 impact in the US, it's a promotional video, a commericial, a bragging LARP masturbatory fantasy to get people to join. Contrast the impact of the bias in news media, social media, 'fact-checking,' and political rhetoric on day to day life in the US, the over-reaction from some quarters to the PSYOPS recruiting piece is approaching Chicken Little status.
You didn't know what a fasces is? Clearly you've never seen a Winged Liberty Dime.
Just because he's seen a winged liberty dime that doesn't mean he would know what the bundle of sticks is called. It's not like it's labeled on the dime.
Yeah, because my point was about what the icon is actually called and not that Tuccille is trying to impugn someone for using the exact same symbol the government minted.
It wasn't minted by any existing government. The symbol is thousands of years old.
You had a point? That's not at all clear from your original reply.
What's yours? These people should be considered guilty because a reporter can associate them with a thousand-years-old symbol?
Those same fasces (one with an axe, one without) also flank the US Flag in the US House of Representatives.
(Their use a symbol of republican authority long predates their cooptation by totalitarian Italian socialists and Marxists.)
It’s a bundle of sticks that symbolizes strength in numbers. One stick can be easily snapped in two. A bundle of sticks can not easily be broken. It’s used as a symbol for fascism, but it isn’t limited to government. It is also used as a symbol in fraternities.
To cap things off, on Saturday, 31 members of Patriot Front, a white nationalist group that uses fasces as a symbol, were arrested in Idaho near an Idaho LGBT Pride parade.
Nothing about how police admitted informants were in the group? How they look like a bunch of feds? Why were they allowed to keep their masks on during photos of the arrest? Ever think these things through?
Yes it's all a conspiracy. The whole threat of domestic terrorism is made up.
God, you are one of the biggest dumbasses here, and that is saying a lot. Keep trying to live in your own force field of ignorance.
After the details of the Whitmer kidnapping plot, it's perfectly defensible to assume all political violence is a glow-op until proven otherwise.
Of course, there's domestic terror groups. Antifa, ALF, ELF, BLM, and so on.
Oh. You didn't mean those terror groups, did you?
The whole threat of domestic terrorism is made up.
Pretty much, yeah. What makes you believe Patriot Front is an organization to be feared? Literally 10% of their membership was swept up in this one arrest.
I missed the part where Patriot Front has Burned Looted and Murdered.
I mean they are so dangerous! But actual BLM/ANTIFA show up with war gear on and the police kneel.
Nothing suspicious, ha!
The arrests didn't even disturb the pride event.
Totes not fed agents.
"Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
Tensions won't simmer down until Politicians stop abusing their power and giving people reason to fear.
FIFY
So... until 3% of the population consistently vote libertarian... THAT sort of thing changes laws in a big hurry.
"There's no clear solution to what appear to be America's own years of lead."
They could start by putting those who organized and egged on 1/6 in prison. Start showing people there are actual consequences.
But no, that might be a step too far to actually uphold laws.
NO RIOTS FROM THE WRONG SIDE!!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!!
/shitlunches
That's an increasingly common practice under politicians of both major parties through efforts like Operation Chokepoint's weaponized financial regulations, or the revival of politicized "seditious conspiracy" charges.
The problem with that "both sides" argument is that both examples are from one side. It isn't the right doing these things. And, unsurprisingly, many on the right have a growing hostility to a state that has been weaponized against them. And let's be entirely honest, it isn't the right that needs to be convinced of the virtues of decentralization and federalism.
Until the regime libertarians at Reason can come to terms that its the modern American left that has decided on a policy of political aggression, it's hard to come to terms with their attempts to indict the American right.
They have come to terms with the left, those terms are just surrender and continuous appeasement. They have surrendered any hint of libertarianism they might claim through those terms.
JD wrote: "Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
Correction: "Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop lying left wing Democrats, their woke media propagandists, selfish corporate partners, racist BLM/CRT, fascist Antifa and perverted transgender thugs from destroying our nation."
When Dems control the White House, House, Senate, CA, NY, IL, Washington DC and virtually all other large cities, its convenient (but deceitful) for Democrats and their allies to blame the GOP,
Like with everything else, the core problem here is democrats. They’re always the problem.
"Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
Well, that won't happen until political enemies stop bludgeoning political opponents with warped laws!
Liberals ignore the laws for voting as a huge example, and implement new policy without proper authorization!
"Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
With the constitutional limits on the size, scope and power of the federal government having largely failed, those fears are largely rational.
You want to simmer down the political violence? Shrink the federal government.
You can start by shrinking city and state governments, that’s where a lot of these power-hungry assholes get their start enacting truly odious laws. By the time they reach the federal government, it’s too late.
I'm reminded of the mayor of Champaign , IL, who whipped out her emergency decree a few day into the COVID panic. It gave her sweeping authority over pretty much everything (including "Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of
explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;"), even claiming powers up to 2 miles outside city limits.
I imagine that she had had this list for a long time, in a special red folder, just waiting for the moment when she could whip it out.
The City Council had some oversight, but clause 11 said she could "Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor."
J.D. Tucille must of forgotten about all the violence in the U.S. in the 60 & 70's lots of bombing and protest etc. good times good times
Yeah, that was what occurred to me. If you're going back to the 1970s for an example of political violence, why not mention the US? The aftershocks of the 60s continued. Two different Kennedies were assassinated. Not to mention a somewhat-famous Southern Baptist preacher and a notable Nation of Islam member also got gunned down. The police were actually dropping bombs on certain neighborhoods inside the US,, even.
We haven't even come close to the political violence we've actually seen in our own country's history.
I've pimped this book before, but Bryan Burrough's "Days of Rage" is pretty comprehensive look at most of the violent radical left movements of the mid-60s-early-80s. Burrough is a leftist himself and actually quite sympathetic to these people, which is why a lot of them ended up agreeing to sit down and talk with him for the book.
As dramatic as things are now, they are nowhere close to how bad it was during those times.
Leftists are literally cancer.
Reason authors included.
"Leftists are literally cancer."
No. Figuratively or metaphorically, you mean. Carry on.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I wouldn't compare leftists to cancer....more similar to rabies or monkey pox or a similar STD.
So, today is a day that left-leaning 'libertarian editors' believe and support police statements? Patriot Front seem like a group of jackasses, but this arrest is for pre-crime, which as has been discussed here, is a violation of civil liberties and individual rights.
I'll wait until we see more of the evidence. Conspiring and planning to commit violence is also a crime. I'm not complaining that they arrested the guy who wanted to kill Kavanaugh even though he didn't do it.
I'll agree the whole thing seems pretty "glowy," but I'm waiting a few days on this to see where it goes before really looking at it.
Think we are still a long way from 1970s Italy levels of violence, then again, violence against your opponents is the ultimate expression of political power. Think most Americans are still too lazy to pick a side, but if that guy had succeeded in killing Kavanaugh, that might have done it. If Trump runs and wins in 2024, think we will definitely see the deep blue states secede, then things will get very interesting
"but if that guy had succeeded in killing Kavanaugh, that might have done it. "
Im betting if it ever comes about that a justice is assassinated while the opposing party holds nominating/confirming power it would be a spark for something very nasty.
Hell, the left was ready to burn shit down when RBG died, and losing her seat was 100% due to the hubris of her and the DNC.
Sorry, but did the 'hubris' emanating from RGB's literal deathbed contribute to Barratt replacing her?
I would add that in the context of D senators saying they had a reckoning coming, and D friendly news outlets either barely covering it or trying to spin it...we aren't very far from a bad event happening.
Who wants to bet money WAPO would print a "well he got what he had coming to him" op ed.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
think we will definitely see the deep blue states secede
Best reason ever to vote Trump. Pretty sure the other 45 states would let CA, NY, IL, WA, and OR leave.
Why should we let CA secede? We should give it back to Mexico.
That's just being mean to Mexico. Haven't they got enough problems already?
northern Mexico could have just as many golf resorts as Arizona does it's a shame we can't be friends
That's just being mean to Mexico. Haven't they got enough problems already?
Mexico unloaded all there problems up North. Would be ironic getting all their problems back, plus most of our our problems.
Maybe but would the Mexican people put up with Gavin Newsom?
Why should we let CA secede? We should give it back to Mexico.
Erm... Are we NOT supposed to fear power in the hands of enemies? I mean, power is iffy even in the hands of supposed friends.
Right, the sub headline was weird. The article did a much better job of explaining the problem-the government has too much power to be trusted. The way to get people to trust the government is to defang, to the point that it's too weak to wield against your political enemies. That way you don't need to worry about trying to hold power forever, because then it can't boomerang back on you.
Unfortunately, a very large percentage of the country loves the idea of using political power to punish people they hate. They want to wield that power, they're thirsty to use it to destroy.
It's literally the core of progressivism
Yeah, and libertarians had a century to get this point across to the American people, and they have failed. They have failed because, when it comes down to it, most "libertarians" are really progressives who disagree with other progressives on some of the finer points of policy, as demonstrated in just about every article here in Reason.
You must be talking about the leftists.
It's true of plenty on the right, as well. There's a lot of conservatives who are still very interested in stepping up the War on Drugs, for instances, or for cracking down on Doctors they think are overprescribing opiates. You need to find the actual sensible Republicans.
There's a lot of Republicans who look at Biden using the Army to emergency fly in Baby Formula, for instance, and they think the problem with that is that he didn't do it earlier. Because they don't understand the reasons there's an ongoing issue with supply chains and talk about how we need better leadership.
Give me another Ronald Reagan who'll just come out and say "Government isn't the solution, government is the problem." Republicans are still better for individual liberty, but vast swaths of the party are also pretty shitty. Many on the right think we should be declaring Ukraine a No-Fly zone and shooting down Russian planes, despite the insanity of essentially declaring war on Russia for basically zero benefit.
>>With the right and left at each other's throats
the Ruling Class lolz all the way to the bank
Civilization ends when people stop acting civilized.
So, about 2 years ago.
Bob Costa lying on CBS news about 5 dead police on 1/6 seems like a new career low.
I didn't think there was anything to low for creepy Costa. This though, sinks to new lows.
Just a week or two ago a "journalist" for the WaPo claimed George Fentanyl was shot and killed by a cop. I don't believe it was Taylor Lorenze though.
“it's fair to say that political violence is now part of American life. “
Stop being such a pussy. We ain’t even scratched the surface. I’m sorry your safe space was disrupted or that AOC and tribe got their panties wet.
Sorry to break the news to you, but political violence is embedded in Americans. It explains how we fundamentally became America. It’s more traditional then baseball and apple pie.
In fact, I seem to recall some dude writing about how it is our duty and right to abolish despotic government
or when the government becomes destructive of certain unalienable rights.
His name and where I read that should come to me in a moment.
Than for then.
and the arrest of extremists apparently ready to rumble at a Pride Month event
The fact that you added this in but never mentioned all of 2020's BLM riots in a segment discussing "political violence" tells me a lot.
In other words, you are an enemy of the progressive state and you favor policies that progressives believe make you a supporter of white supremacy and racism. And you are a cis-gendered, heterosexual old white male anyway. Good luck trying to inveigle yourself into the progressive intelligentsia.
In fact, political violence and polarization are just symptoms in the US. The root cause is a failing social welfare state and economy coupled with a changing culture that increasingly embraces statism, racial divisions, progressivism, and socialism.
It shouldn't be surprising that it has come to this point either with ridiculous characters like you being the advocates for small government and liberty. People like you dropped the ball decades ago on education and advocacy and now Americans are all facing the inevitable consequences.
It may be hard to recall now, but there was a time when most Americans were decidedly more blasé about bombing attacks. This was during the 1970s, when protest bombings in America were commonplace, especially in hard-hit cities like New York, Chicago and San Francisco. Nearly a dozen radical underground groups, dimly remembered outfits such as the Weather Underground, the New World Liberation Front and the Symbionese Liberation Army, set off hundreds of bombs during that tumultuous decade—so many, in fact, that many people all but accepted them as a part of daily life. As one woman sniffed to a New York Post reporter after an attack by a Puerto Rican independence group in 1977: “Oh, another bombing? Who is it this time?’”
The underground groups of the 1970s were a kind of grungy, bell-bottomed coda to the protests of the 1960s; their members were mostly onetime student leftists who refused to give up the utopian dreams of 1968. While little remembered today, there was a time during the early 1970s when the U.S. government—the Nixon Administration—considered these groups a genuine threat to national security. Alarmed by a series of Weatherman attacks, Nixon told J. Edgar Hoover during a June 1970 Oval Office meeting that “revolutionary terror” represented the single greatest threat to American society. Hoover promised to do what he could, which wasn’t much.
And it was actually far worse in Europe.
You must be talking about Chesa Boudin's parents, both of whom were Weather Underground, who took part in a botched attempt at robbing an armored car which resulted in the murders of two guards and a cop. His mother was sentenced to twenty years and his father to forty years.
Chesa was then raised by another member of said terrorist group, Bill Ayers and his girl friend.
This explains Boudin's Marxist philosophy regarding crime and punishment.
Oh and Boudin has had his little arse kicked out of the club.LOL
Ayers' girlfriend, who later became his wife, is Bernardine Dorhn. She was actually one of the worst members of that organization, a true-believing marxist who legitimately wants to see the country burn to the ground. She and John Jacobs, who she was in a relationship with during the Weather Underground years, were open advocates of using political violence to destroy the United States.
NPR refers to people like that as "passionate".
I'd fear power in the hands of Democrats less if they weren't overt totalitarians many of whom publicly profess their desire to kill me.
The objective of the "LGBTQIA+ Pride parade" isn't to promote tolerance or gay rights, it is to annoy and to provoke.
The calculation is simple: either there will be a violent reaction, in which case the organizers can wallow in self-righteous indignation and demonize conservatives, or conservatives will acquiesce and become more demoralized and subjugated.
As a gay man, I find this reprehensible. This kind Alinsky-esque approach of the left is what's destroying this country.
There’s a reason the DNC put a black women who had tortured, starved, raped and murdered a gay man, over a two week period, on the convention stage.
Some Intersectionality identify politics are more equal than others.
You know, I'm also a gay man, and my problem with your analysis is that it doesn't leave any room for good faith actors within the context of gay pride events.
And speaking as someone who still remembers the rush of solidarity and validation from attending the 1993 march on Washington, I can assure you that there are indeed many of us who feel these sorts of events can and do engender good community relations and boost personal self esteem. They serve to normalize being gay and help kids (like me) realize there's nothing wrong with who they are (or who I am).
I'm not dismissing your take out of hand; but I am saying you're not leaving any room for my experience, which has to be at least as valid as yours.
BTW, happy Pride month, my brother~! (I mean that sincerely.)
So, white-supremacist domestic terror is so prevalent on the right-wing that this group needed to seek out and import participants from a dozen states just to get a 30-member quorum?
Sure, sure.
And how many of these will turn out to be FBI agents?
The Patriot Front is a FBI honey trap. How many of those 31 were actually not working for the government?
And why were they arrested before actually doing anything, while antifa/BLM regularly commits violence and gets off basically scott free
Yeah, they were might possibly thinking about doing something so a hunnert and fitty of them were rounded up and thrown into UHAUL vans!
Who is Ray Epps?
The democrats in Congress did not have “a mandate” to transfer wealth from anyone deemed property owner/kulak to their voters or bankrupt cities. They’re doing it anyway through inflation and public charge immigration. I mean holy fuck, ISIS over the border and the plot to go after George W.
If the Democrats refuse to follow laws they don’t like they can change those laws. Immigration laws or codify Roe. No, this is Bernie’s revolution.
#publichargeimmigrationwillfixeverything
#evenifitsparamilitarymarxistsandterrorists
"Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
It is rational to fear power in the hands of your enemies.
The point is to make the power they have so tiny that no one gives a shit. Keep the power in the states where it belongs.
It's not like USA Patriots haven't been predicting this result all along or that such a result isn't utterly obvious...
Nazi-Democracy shouldn't have been allowed to conquer the USA's Constitution and it's principles of !!!!-------LIMITED-------!!!!!! Government..... Politicians SWORE an oath to uphold it above and beyond [WE] mob congress votes...
Treasonous traitors (and that is EXACTLY what they are) who are proudly VOIDING the U.S. Constitution for Power-Mad National Socialism/Communism YOU PEOPLE are the problem..... You do not belong here - UR the enemy of the USA no matter how much you pretend this nation is but a [WE] mob nation of rulers (i.e. pure democracy).... You want your universal healthcare??? Amend the Constitution!!!! You want drug prohibition??? Amend the Constitution!!!! You want fake-fiat checks (national welfare)??? Amend the Constitution!!!! You want national environmental Nazi-Agencies???? Amend the Constitution!!!!
Pretending the Constitution doesn't exist (the very DEFINITION of the USA) to enact UN-Constitutional National Agencies *********IS********** the problem and the falling of this nation.. Stop being CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!! Follow the Supreme Law of the Land!!!!!
I expect the left is planning to burn the Constitution.
Years of lead? What lead? There have been very few political killings in the US versus 100s in Italy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
It is irresponsible to exaggerate what is going on because MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT LEADS TO FEAR WHICH LEADS TO MORE VIOLENCE.
You may want violence because it brings eyeballs or creates an argument for the decentralization you love more than truth. But misrepresenting polical violence, is INVITING political violence.
Stop it!
And, oh yeah, let's tax the super rich! Heavily! They are a greater danger to democracy than Trump or even the Left that the rich play like a fiddle.
"...And, oh yeah, let's tax the super rich! Heavily! They are a greater danger to democracy than Trump or even the Left that the rich play like a fiddle."
Eat shit and die, slaver.
What was that, slave?
Oh GOD no! Not a smoke bomb! Oh the humanity!!
Tax the super rich? You are a moron of the highest order.
"Tensions won’t simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies."
It would be a great help if people protesting against the Ds didn't have to fear legal prosecution.
We have every reason to fear so much power in the hands of the left.
"But maybe if I keep my head down and spout the correct nonsense, they will not hurt me... much." -- Tuccille
'I'll be last at the wall' - Tucille
Seriously, how detached from reality can you be? The political violence in the US in the 1960s and 1970s wasn't a patch on Italy's Years of Lead, and the political violence in the US today isn't a patch on the violence in the 1960s and 1970s.
Real Americans, who love freedom and liberty should be very concerned as well as every reason to be fearful of the Marxist radical left that has taken control of nearly every branch of the government. They are using the government as a weapon against anyone who dares to either defy or question left wing Marxist agendas such as CRT, radical gender politics and LGBTQXYZ propaganda.
The fact is the left has used the FBI, Dept. of Justice and attempted to create a Minsitry of Truth, they are running show trials, allowing radical left wing mobs such as BLM and ANTIFA to get away with looting, burning, attacking police, causing nearly $2 billion in damage to small businesses and assaulting and even murdering people....all without a peep from the left/democrats.
The left is now attempting to disarm the American people. It has nothing to do with the violence in the democrat controlled cities, in fact they condone it. The left wants Americans disarmed so they can take total control and convert America into a Marxist/socialist
state where political enemies are neatly disposed of. In short, they want anyone who dares speak out or defy them.... dead.
When Americans are disarmed, those in power will have nothing to fear when they come for you and your family.
Don't say "it can't happen here". Consider what has already happened and just how much further they're going to take it.
Remain armed, even if you have to go to great extremes to hide your firearms just as the original colonists did when they fought tyranny for freedom.
Start with electing people whose response to abortion and boys in girls lockers is “that’s a state issue.” Then we’ll have less federal government.
Ditto for gun control and marriage (straight or gay).
31 members of a supposedly paranoid anti-government organization, masked, with uniforms and riot gear, all getting into one truck at a location they could be observed doing so, as if that isn't a weird thing to happen. I realize they are not criminal masterminds, but I also realize that climbing into the back of a U-Haul and letting someone close the door on you takes a level of trust these guys are not supposed to possess.
And while I understand not wanting to get your personal vehicle identified or impounded, they could have just removed the plates on a few old pickups with camper tops, transported 31 guys and been effectively invisible in that part of the county. Plus, which alleged white nationalist used his credit card to rent the truck?
Meanwhile, people who actually made it to the park were carrying weapons openly, while these guys ready to tussle were all unarmed? Color me unconvinced.
Even if this is the real deal, Democrats really want a balkanization of the U.S.
Thanks media, for putting identity politics, chemically castrating 6 year olds and arbitrary melanin levels over the constitution and meritocracy. then doubling down on it for five years. What does this administration expect from parents when a 6-5 260 pound naked dude is legally placed in their daughters locker rooms, or, when parents are labeled domestic terrorists.
No surprise from Reason. No mention in this article about political violence from:
BLM riots in 2020 that causes 10s of billions in damage and dozens of deaths.
Antifa laying siege to Portland for months on end.
Far left radicals taking over Seattle police station and create an autonomous zone.
Racist, red SUVs that kill white folks in Christmas parade.
Hmmm, what do ALL of these have in common. They're all mostly peaceful?
Reading the comments--just the comments--displays what the article is saying. There is an obvious lack of civility in tone among discussants. Each point of view has some merit--some less than others, but at least some--but neither side seems to want to find a common ground.
Permit me to suggest an experiment. State your position and why you have it. And then stop. Other readers can decide whether they agree with it, disagree, or partly agree. I've tried this with friends who have very different political views than I hold and it seems to work well. But disagreements we can usually trace the to axioms on which basic opinions are based. It doesn't usually become ad hominem. And if a friend can't restrain himself or herself, the friendship ends and that, as they say, is that.
Just a modest suggestion....
"Just lie back and think of England"
Fantastic comment, Tekcoyote, as well as a fantastic suggestion.
When I read comments, I see so many people absolutely furious as they respond to the positions that no one has actually yet articulated in the comments section. Which is fine. I'm angry at some of the positions held by my political opponents. But never to the extent that I find them MORE my opponent than they are also my American sister or brother, no matter how vehemently we disagree.
Your own language completely encapsulates and betrays how out of control and extreme libertarian views are. American must stop "fearing power in the hands of enemies. That won't happen until government is less powerful, less centralized, and less of a dangerous weapon in the hands of those in office." The government didn't shoot 19 kids at Uvalde, nor 20 at Sandy Hook, nor 17 at Stoneman Douglas, nor 33 at Blacksburg, nor 12 at Columbine. The list of mass shootings - by our fellow citizens - is long. Libertarians and the don't tread on me militia types will of course point to Waco, or Ruby Ridge as lethal government action against its citizens. But in both instances the governments claim was that it was rightly responding to an unlawful situation with respect to firearms. And the political, the governmental, answer to that is to arm citizens even further? To make schools a lethal environment? Who exactly is the enemy? Who am I to fear?
We should fear those who gain money and power by selling fear. Yes, those absurd democrats, but even Reason too, it seems.
Nothing is happening that deserves this civil war level rhetoric.
Jan 6 was impressive in a cinematic sense, a ton of people around the Capitol. But what horrible thing happened? Obstruction of government for a few hours? That doesn't rise to the level of trying to assassinate a Supreme Court justice, which, however, doesn't seem to matter. If he or she is not democrat.
And that would be a long way from a civil war if it had happened. Stop wishing tragedy on the country.
And once upon a time; people of the USA gave their life's for Liberty and somehow Non-Nazi citizens don't find that 'extreme' and 'out of control' at all...
I guess today; It's 32% 'labor camps' (taxation) and growing by the year and 6,340,000 in prison waiting for a ?shower?... But hey man --- as long as the almighty Nazi-Gods are in charge and protecting us from those nasty mass shooting criminals....
Oh wait; the Nazi-Gods DIDN'T save the EXACT 100 you listed now did they???? In fact many were saved by citizens packing guns.. Seriously; how F'En retarded does one have to be to believe that being 'disarmed' and 'weakened' will make the mass shooters stop???? Is that like some kind of step on the gas and the vehicle stops theory or what???
It's more like the "step in the gas chamber and you will get a refreshing shower" theory.
I bet you fear a virus that 99.99% of people survive
"...The government didn't shoot 19 kids at Uvalde,.."
Correct. Nor did the government provide any protection from the shooter.
Up your ass with a running, rusty chainsaw, slaver.
Tuccille's views are in no way "libertarian". Like most of the Reason staff, Tuccille is a slightly contrarian progressive and professional intellectual (and I don't mean that as a compliment).
Wounded Knee.
Sadly, see no fix for the problem. Expect things to simply get worse and worse.
but government by "a clear and present danger" looks like an existential threat when politicians use far-reaching laws, taxes, and regulatory authority to punish opponents. .... like Operation Chokepoint's weaponized financial regulations, or the revival of politicized "seditious conspiracy" charges.
These are tactics of the democrats/the left in our government. I have not heard of anything like this being done by republicans/the right.
IT appears REASON seeks moral equivalency where there is none
No mention of the mostly peaceful protests?
I'll slog thru the comments thread later, but for now, in case nobody else has brought it up, why not compare our times to the late 1960s, which was said to have been the last peak of violence in the USA and various other not-usually-violent countries? What were conditions then that led to such violence? Were they the same as, or different from, the ones Tooch Jr. is flogging now?
The 1960's also saw a rise of left wing extremism, and most of the terrorist groups were radical left wing groups.
And if you read Radical Chic by Tom Wolfe, the elites were behaving pretty much the same way. In fact, people like Feinstein, Pelosi, etc. were part of that crowd. Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers, also by Tom Wolfe, shows the same kind of government dysfunction in San Francisco we see today.
There were a couple of decades of sanity in between as Americans rebelled against that crap. But then the US got wealthy and safe again, a new generation of rich kids was born, and the cycle repeats.
At the end of the article the line "tensions won't simmer down until Americans stop fearing power in the hands of enemies." is telling. As long as we consider Americans with differing views "enemies", how can we ever work together to deescalate the violence?
Even if nearly all Americans were to decide today they do not want an infinitely-powerful Political State, that information would have to somehow find its way to the government, right? There ought to be some credible mechanism through which those Americans could notify politicians of their change of preferences--something as convincing as bribery but not yet prohibited by law...
The Patriot Front thing is such an obvious joke. I mean does LEO go to a BLM/ANTIFA rally and just arrest folks because they might riot?
Actually it would be far more productive.
Only Democratic liberal violence. Conservatives have been illegally and unconstitutionally cracked down on. The corrupt FBI is still trying to entrap conservatives even after the Michigan Governors kidnapping was proven a FBI entrapment fraud. Liberals on the other hand can break any law. Illegally harass Supreme court justices, fire bomb pregnancy help centers, and attack and burn federal building without consequences.
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