Biden Conflates a Broad Category of Rifles With Intolerable 'Weapons of War'
The administration's slippery terminology illustrates the challenge of distinguishing between "good" and "bad" guns.

The Biden administration says H.R. 7910, a bill imposing new age restrictions on sales by federally licensed gun dealers, "would ensure that individuals under 21 years of age cannot purchase weapons of war." But H.R. 7910, dubbed the Protecting Our Kids Act, sweeps much more broadly than the phrase "weapons of war" suggests, covering all semi-automatic centerfire rifles that accept detachable magazines.
President Joe Biden and other politicians who support a federal ban on "assault weapons" often call those arbitrarily defined firearms "weapons of war." But this bill applies to many guns that do not fit the legislative definition of "assault weapons," which hinges on military-style feature such as folding stocks, pistol grips, and barrel shrouds. That ambiguity suggests Biden is not sure which guns he wants to ban or why, and it illustrates the challenge of deciding which firearms are too dangerous to be tolerated.
"We need to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines," Biden said last week. "And if we can't ban assault weapons, then we should raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21." H.R. 7910 aims to achieve the latter result, but its scope is much wider than Biden suggested.
The distinctions drawn by H.R. 7910 actually make more sense than the distinctions drawn by H.R. 1808, the proposed federal "assault weapon" ban. While the latter bill focuses on functionally unimportant characteristics, H.R. 7910 focuses on the type of ammunition (centerfire vs. rimfire) and the ability to use detachable magazines, both of which have practical implications. But those differences cut both ways: The same characteristics that might make the rifles covered by the bill more effective in a mass shooting can also make them more suitable for self-defense or other legal uses.
California recently imposed age restrictions similar to those that Biden wants Congress to approve. Unlike H.R. 7910, which applies only to sales by federally licensed dealers, California's law applied to all sales. But it targeted the same age group and the same broad category of rifles. It did not deal with "assault weapons," which California has long prohibited.
Last month the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit concluded that California's law imposed an unjustified burden on the Second Amendment rights of young adults. Since California had already prohibited 18-to-20-year-olds from buying handguns, the 9th Circuit said, the new rule left them with few viable options for home defense.
"Non-semiautomatic rifles are not effective as self-defense weapons because they must be manually cycled between shots, a process which becomes infinitely more difficult in a life or death situation," the Court said. "Rimfire rifles generally aren't good for self-defense either, because rimfire ammunition has 'poor stopping power' and [is] mostly used for things like hunting small game. So for self-defense in the home, young adults are left with shotguns."
The 9th Circuit noted that the shotgun option—the one that Biden thinks should be adequate for everyone, not just young adults—has significant drawbacks. "Even acknowledging that shotguns are effective weapons for self-defense in the home, shotguns are outmatched by semiautomatic rifles in some situations," the appeals court said. "Semiautomatic rifles are able to defeat modern body armor, have a much longer range than shotguns and are more effective in protecting roaming kids on large homesteads, are much more precise and capable at preventing collateral damage, and are typically easier for small young adults to use and handle."
In light of these considerations, the 9th Circuit said, "California's ban is a severe burden on the core Second Amendment right of self-defense in the home." The same analysis presumably would apply to H.R. 7910, notwithstanding its exception for private sales.
What about the Biden administration's claim that the bill targets "weapons of war"? Vice President Kamala Harris used the same phrase when she touted a federal "assault weapon" ban after the May 14 massacre in Buffalo.
"You know what an assault weapon is?" Harris said. "You know how an assault weapon was designed? It was designed for a specific purpose: to kill a lot of human beings quickly….An assault weapon is a weapon of war with no place, no place in a civil society." Contrary to that claim, "assault weapon" bans exempt guns that are just as deadly as the guns they prohibit, as Biden himself has conceded. But if semi-automatic centerfire rifles that accept detachable magazines are "weapons of war," as the Biden administration now says they are, it follows that they likewise have "no place in a civil society."
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul pulled a similar bait-and-switch when she pushed new gun control laws after the attacks in Buffalo and Uvalde, Texas. New York, like California, already had an "assault weapon" ban, but Hochul thought it did not go far enough. "How does an 18-year-old purchase an AR-15 in the State of New York [or the] State of Texas?" she asked in May. "That person's not old enough to buy a legal drink. I want to work with the legislature to change that. I want it to be 21. I think that's just common sense."
Hochul seemed to be proposing new age restrictions on sales of the "featureless" AR-15-style rifles that remain legal in New York, even though they fire the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity as the prohibited models. But A10503, the bill she signed into law this month, is even broader than California's law or H.R. 7910, covering all semi-automatic rifles.
While these laws do not affect sales to adults 21 or older, Hochul's equation of semi-automatic rifles with AR-15s, like the Biden administration's description of the rifles covered by H.R. 7910 as "weapons of war," reflects a broader tendency to expand the definition of firearms that are supposedly intolerable because they are especially suitable for mass murder. Advocates of a federal "assault weapon" ban commonly conflate that relatively narrow category with "semiautomatic rifles" or "semiautomatic firearms" in general.
Such confusion is inevitable when politicians vainly try to distinguish between "good" guns that Americans have a right to possess under the Second Amendment and "bad" guns that have no legitimate uses. It turns out that supposedly good guns can be used for evil purposes.
Handguns, which the Supreme Court has described as "the quintessential self-defense weapon," are also overwhelmingly preferred by violent criminals (including mass murderers). By contrast, "assault weapons," which include some of the most popular rifles sold in the United States, are rarely used in homicides. Even shotguns, which Biden sees as the best weapon for home defense, are used by criminals about as often as rifles, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons." Since firearms are tools with no inherent moral properties, the attempt to identify guns that have "no place in a civil society" inevitably produces laws that are illogical, flagrantly unconstitutional, or both.
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Shall not be infringed.
It ain't that hard. If he really wants to disarm the American citizenry, all he has to do is repeal the second amendment.
Because nothing else will do.
You've said that many times before, and so have others. You are all idiots for thinking that resolves the issue, or even would in a sane world. You have no problems with keeping guns from prisoners or ex-felons, or the insane, or the senile, or infants. You accept those infringements in spite of "shall not be infringed".
You aren't changing any minds by being so deliberately fake naive.
You aren't changing any minds by being so deliberately fake naive.
The problem isn't fake naivetè. The problem is your fake smart by solving self-solving problems isn't working any more.
I think he was just stating that utilizing this argument isn't persuasive to anyone on the fence on the issue. There are other arguments that would be just as effective. I agree with the shall not be infringed argument but realize that it's not necessarily the most persuasive argument. And I don't have any problem with returning gun rights to people who have served their sentence, including parole.
You have no problems with keeping guns from prisoners or ex-felons, or the insane, or the senile, or infants. You accept those infringements in spite of "shall not be infringed".
LOLZ! None of those meet the the definition of an infringement. Those people either forfeited their right by their own action or are non compos mentos.
non compos mentos.
Trying to translate this. Not of sound Breath? I'mma use it that way next time I describe someone who could use a freshmaker.
It's psychological jargon associated with the irrational fear that drinking diet coke and eating certain candies will cause one's stomach to explode. Slang for people who are stupid and crazy.
Ackshuyally, though it won't make your stomach explode, combining Mendos and Diet Coke does make a messy but beautiful fountain when open and can launch missiles and explode when enclosed.
Mentos and Diet Coke--American Chemical Society
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/adventures-in-chemistry/experiments/mentos-diet-coke.html
Oh, I have to add a disclaimer oj the latter two practices; DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! 😉
The reason police have AR15s is for 'defense'. If the police are allowed to have them, ordinary citizens should be aloud to have them. No loop holes or cut outs for police and ex-military!
When they hire a kid out of high school to join the police - he gets a revolver until he hits 21.
BTW, if police buy APCs, citizens should be aloud to buy weapons that can disable the APCs...
If he really wants to disarm the American citizenry, all he has to do is repeal the second amendment.
And how many divisions does the second amendment have?
If roughly half of gun owners participated it would be around a 1000 or so. Or to put it another way 100 times more than the Army has.
The Army alone has 128.
I do solemnly swear to defend the Constitution of the United States of America against any enemy foreign or domestic and swear allegiance unto the same... Yeah, said those words two days after turning 17 and no one has told me that my oath has been revoked.
When do yall plan on fulfilling it?
When there are no other solutions left except violence.
I don't believe you.
To clarify: I think you (vets generally) will keep living in denial as this country slips over the edge into irreversible totalitarianism.
We're at the precipice, the event horizon, now. What they're doing is nothing less than war on the American people, and Biden's purpose is to be the kamikaze pilot who establishes these economic conditions as status quo. He is the scapegoat for The New Normal. But even after he's tossed aside, conditions won't change. They will get worse. And this destruction is 100% man made, intentional, and planned.
You really think elections will change anything now?
2020 was a phase shift to a new state, and started a clock on a very small window where Soviet/Nazi totalitarianism, amplified by tech, could be fought against. That clock is running out of time quickly.
The left is wholly psychotic. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop.
And we are fucked. They crossed the line with covid, and nobody did a damn thing. They crossed the line with months of blmantifa riots, and nobody did a damn thing. They crossed the line with Russiagate, and nobody did a damn thing. They crossed the line with the blatantly corrupt election, and nobody did a damn thing. Jan 6 The People started thinking about doing something, but ultimately didn't. Now those people have been held as political prisoners for 18 months, and nobody does a damn thing.
You vets did not uphold your oath. You're supposed to defend The People from threats foreign and domestic. You did not. But you're not alone- we all failed. We were all too comfortable and too cowardly.
The line is gone. Now, meek and obedient, we wait to be executed.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Ah, but this was the man who, after being expowed to the freedom of the U.S.A. and The West, denounced it and went back to Putin's Russia even when people under his regime were trying to "rehabilitate" Stalin. Yeah, fuck this guy!
“Yeah, fuck this guy!”
Do you ever shut the fuck up?
Nope.
And the Army doesn't have 128 divisions, it has 128 battalions.
Yeah, but try to explain that to an Idiot.
Even if the 2nd Amendment were repealed, it wouldn't be sufficient to disarm me. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms--and every other Individual Right--is a product of Man's nature as a Rational Animal and needs no enumeration in legal documents in order to exist.
And with Jackleg Religious Right Assholes like this taking up space on this Planet, there is no way I will ever be disarmed:
Hate Preacher Gives Vile Sermon Calling for LGBTQ+ to Be ‘Shot in the Back of the Head’
Emily Hernandez
https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-pastor-dillon-awes-of-stedfast-baptist-church-calls-for-lgbt-people-to-be-shot-in-the-back-of-the-head
This man is not only utterly evil, but stupid to boot for evidently thinking that firearms were around in Biblical times. Well, his Biblical boom-boom won't save him the day he and his Crusaders come for me!
The phrases "All Life Is Precious" and "All Lives Matter" really need some big asterisks and long footnotes.
What? Of course firearms were around in biblical times!
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2cf7d22a-67fe-4a67-83f8-aabc5dc1a0ce
Jesus and Moses used firearms to conquer the Romans.
Thatcwould havexto be Family Guy.
Thanks for referring me to GetYarn. I plan to have much fun with this. 🙂
Glad to bring a little mirth to your day.
I see you once again had to bring up your Theophobia. Yeah, it's evil right wing Christians who are the real danger.
Theophobia isn't a thing because God does not exist,but God-fearing people who feel called to enforce the edicts of an alleged God like this Pastor and this Church do exist.
If Stedfast Baptist Church wasn't jonesing to be a much more rabid, dangerous version of Westboro Baptist Church, I wouldn't have to give these gentle reminders.
You can't prove God doesn't exist anymore than I can prove he does exist. And your need to attack Christians in every thread, seems fairly phobic to me. Also, Theo means study of religion, it doesn't require the religion to be true. So, even if you're right, Theophobia is still appropriate description of your knee pathological need to attack Christians and make us out to be some form of great danger.
Correct
How many idiots actually belong to that Church anyhow? Compared to how many Christians in America? Or the world? Bringing up one idiot pastor as some example of a real danger is just asinine and can only be explained by either irrational fear or bigotry. And you've had several atheists and agnostic posters tell you the exact same thing.
Agnostic is a subset of atheist. It's the honest side.
The other type, the type who so enthusiastically call themselves "atheist", are liars.
A more accurate label for the latter would be "antitheist". They do not believe god(s) is, but they do in fact believe god(s) is not.
They try to sell themselves as more rational than theists, skeptical of faith. In fact, antitheists are just as reliant upon faith, though it's often more blind, than any theist. Far from being skeptical, their primary assertion is that they know the unknowable. Because, as you stated, the existence or absence of god(s) cannot be known. Affirming or denying the existence of god(s) is a leap of faith.
Further, theism is far more rational than antitheism generally. Theism evolved because, at the very least, it has utility.
I'm going to stop here.
Yeah, I've often stated atheism requires as much faith as theism requires. Also, the only true scientific take, as it's an untestable hypothesis, is agnosticism. I fully admit my theism is faith based and not a scientifically defendable position.
I'm jealous of theists.
I laugh at antitheists.
Your mere saying that about Atheism doesn't make it so.
And Agnosticism as a phlosophical position is self-conþradictory, because saying that something (or everything) is unknowable is itself a knowledge claim that requires knowing enough about everything in existence to be able to claim that something (or everything) is unknowable.
Can you prove God doesn't exist? Can I prove he does exist? The answer to both is no. Keep digging.
I've given proofs for my positions before. To repeat would be to enable Sealioning.
You don't have proof because it's an untestable hypothesis. You have what you believe is proof, but it isn't anymore than anything I could provide as proof God exists.
Gibberish, all gibberish. And the only "utility" that your blind brain-scrambling faith has is for people who want to rule and be ruled.
Yeah sure buddy. We all want to rule. That'd all we talk about on Sunday's you found us out. Idiot.
Welp, dare I say it? Third time's the charm for Stedfast Baptist Church. They're telling the Westboro Baptist Church: "Here! Hold muh grape juice!"
Same Hate, Same Death Threats, Different Day
https://dallasvoice.com/same-hate-same-death-threats-different-day/
Oh and that proves what? That idiots come in all shapes, forms and beliefs.
Stalin killed a lot of clergy, and was an atheist, does that mean atheists are dangerous?
It’s 100% religious bigotry, of which libertarian message boards seem to have in spades.
Proposing to murder Homosexuals in the name of God is indeed religious bigotry, if that is the subject of your reply.
Your hatred of all Christians because of a small minority is even greater bigotry. Most Christians don't want to kill homosexuals, most agree with you that this pastor is a moron. Even the ones who think it is a sin also don't want to kill homosexuals, because that's old testament and Jesus teaches us that we can't judge others because we are also sinners and that forcing people to adopt our beliefs is also a sin. We are taught to live by example and persuasion not force.
Jesus said in The Sermon On The Mount that he came to fulfil the law, not to destroy the law, so evidently Leviticus still applies.
If you live by persuasion not by force, then you are clearly better than your religion.
Bullshit, you're painting all Christians by a few bad examples. And you obviously once again didn't get what Jesus was saying. The Law was how you could be saved. Jesus was saying that it wasn't the law that saves you, but his grave that saves you. That is what he meant by he came to fulfill the law. He also taught let those among you who have not sinned be the first to cast stones, and remove the plank from thy own eye before worrying about the splinter in your neighbors eyes. Also, he stated that the greatest commandment is love and to love your neighbor as yourself. Paul further explains this in his letter to the Romans and Corinthians when he said, if you live by the law, live by the law, if you don't, don't, because it isn't the law that saves you but only the grace of God. I think we've gone over your complete lack of understanding of Bible versus and their meaning. You take stuff out of context and miss the entire point of what was being said.
One, this is the second idiot pastor from this Church that proposed dewth for Homosexuals. Two, it wws proposed in the past by people from Jerry Falwell, Sr.'s Church. It is a continuous doctrine of Chiristian Identity and Christian Reconstructionist/Dominionist Theology. We have also seen either the death penalty or hewvy imprisonment proposed and implemented for Homosexuals by Christians in Africa and Putin's Russia, with support of Christiwn ministers in the U.S.
For all of your admirable military and firearms acumen, you have forgotten one of the most crucial lessons of The Twentieth Century: When someone says they wwnt to kill you, believe them.
Correction: Sorry for all the 'w's where 'a's should be. I'm getting a new pad bigger than my smartphone.
How many parishioners? I see you still are focused on besmirching all Christians because one or two idiots.
One parishoner is too many, but they seem to get a big audience in town meetings.
And I don't hate Christians, just their doctrines and the alleged barbaric Abrahamic God they worship that blesses the murderous threats of these Jackleg Pastors.
What doctrine? Because it isn't uniform across all denominations and you really don't seem familiar at all with common protestant or Catholic theology. Someone who is ignorant and hateful of what he doesn't understand. There's a word for that.
As for other Atheists or Agnostics, I cannot help if they are oblivious or delusional about the danger posed by Theocrats who openly proclaim a desire to murder in the name of God.
I've equally scrapped with Socialist Atheists who've proposed gun confiscation by pointing out the danger of these Theocrats.
I've also pointed out that Madalyn Murray O'Hair only lasted as long as she did in the face of non-stop death threats because she and her family owned firearms. (What did Ms. O'Hair in was the HR mistake of practicing 'inclusion' of a low-life criminal scum who murdered her, her Son, and Grand-Daughter, something I would never do with an Atheist organization.)
Nobody gives a shit about your stupid fucking opinions on Christians and queers you beta male cuck.
You seem to care.
Here is a hint dipshit, most Christians don't want to rule you. We don't even really care if you sin. We don't believe the Earth is only 5000 years old or that man lived with Dinosaurs. We don't believe in murdering people, even people who are sinners. We believe in forgiveness, loving our neighbors and turning the other cheek. We aren't trying to create a theocracy. We aren't trying to overthrow the government or the Constitution. It's all irrational fear on your part.
Also Christians run the political gambit from ultra progressive to ultra conservative to libertarian and anarchists. We are 63% of the country, if we wanted to take the country over we would have a long time ago.
Fuck that guy. That is all.
Fuck that guy and the "holy" book he wants to rule this nation!
Go eat a bag of dicks, bigot.
You seem to express more contempt for condemning would-be murderers than for just would-be murderers. I guess that comes with "Judge not..."
that bag of dicks ain't gonna eat itself. so shut the fuck up and start chewing
"all he has to do is repeal the second amendment."
All he (and the rest of the Nazi's invading the USA) has to do is IGNORE the U.S. Constitution has they've been doing for over 100-years...
This nation is so far away from being the USA and is undeniably a Communist or Nazi-Nation by all forms its practically already conquered.
"would ensure that individuals under 21 years of age cannot purchase weapons of war."
Halberd industry hardest hit.
So sawn-off shotguns are fine now?
Actually short barreled shotguns that have never had a stock attached are now legal.
Technically, short barreled smoothbore pistols have always been legal. The definition of shotgun in the NFA includes a shoulder stock, so a short barreled smoothbore weapon that never had shoulder stock is not a shotgun for purposes of the NFA.
As I understand it, this definitional oddity goes back to when the NFA was first passed.
Not too short, mind you. IIRC, less than 12 inches is classified as a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" by the BATFE. (I guess Iraq could have had some after all.)
Entraping Randy Weaver to saw a shotgun below the legal limit was what led to Ruby Ridge.
it's "Sawed" you Poltroon
Sawn-off is in usage also.
So is "Woke" by Effing (in usage) idiots. Doesn't make it right.
No more sling-shots?
But they can, of course, BE SENT to war.
Makes total sense.
Some damn fool on the Volokh side said several times that gun control was necessary because ordinary Joe Blows are better armed than Navy SEALs. He got slammed every time and kept repeating it. Obviously a Biden / DNC speech writer and fact checker.
Was it Joe friday?
To be fair, the difference between my AR and a "weapon of war" is like three parts.
That doesn't excuse the emotive language being used by people using dead children as their soap box to preach for gun control.
All weapons are weapons of war if that's what you have and there's a war happening around you.
And, of course, the right to own weapons of war is exactly what the 2nd is there to protect. Militias aren't deer hunting and trap shooting clubs.
true
Boiling oil was a weapon of war but now we use it to make freedom fries.
freedom fries kill more people than guns.
Air frying offsets that and Man! Are they crisp and delicious!
So Give Me Liberty, Give Me Air-Fried Sweet Potato Fries, and Save The Crisco to Give Tyrants Death!
Everything is a weapon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0M26WgSjKs
On a side note, I am amazed that a character like Rom Samson exists on a fairly recent network TV show.
A humorous way of putting it, but also the exact same premise of "Avoid, Deny, and Defend."
https://youtu.be/j0It68YxLQQ
Everyone at my store watches a version of this video every 90 days or after every mass murder event, which ever comes first. During the first week of the George Floyd riots, our store windows were boarded up and Manager also explicitly told us we could use a brick, a walkie-talkie, a shovel, a broom, anything on hand on anyone trying to attack us. Wise insights.
Remember: The Life, Liberty, and Property You Save May Be Your Own!
Interesting enough this law wouldn't cover the M-1, as it doesn't have a detachable magazine. So, it wouldn't actually even regulate a rifle designed specifically for war and used in at least three American wars effectively.
I had the opportunity to shoot a Garand recently. It was nice.
Wait until someone tells them how easy it is to load a bolt action rifle with a stripper clip. Almost all bolt action rifles today utilize a derivative of the Mauser bolt that they developed specifically for military use, ergo, all bolt action rifles were also designed as weapons of war. Same for muzzle loaders, the Hawkins rifle, which are the most copied muzzle loader pattern hunting rifle, were copied from the Springfield M1803 military rifle. All shotguns are descendants of musket and musketoons, which evolved into fowling pieces, which were also used in warfare, and then into shotguns. You can't find a single gun type today that can't trace it's heritage back to military use.
And the most popular hunting cartridges are the .30-06 and it's derivatives, which was specifically designed for warfare. Another popular east coast and Alaska bush gun is the .45-70, which was designed specifically for the Springfield 1873 trapdoor military rifle.
They're talking about current use. The M4 is the workhorse right now, right? That's an AR with an auto sear and a few other parts. Though the difference those parts make have a much bigger impact than any of the cosmetic stuff that offends the gun grabbers.
Are they though? Are they even aware of the technicalities of what they propose? Or is the ambiguity on purpose so that they can continue to expand the definition, via executive orders, infinitely?
I'm betting for some it's definitely the latter.
Is there any part of government that doesn't continue to expand?
The OMB? DOJ's OIG?
OMG
No, I'm pretty sure the intent is to pass an "assault weapons" ban, then "oops, that covers almost all firearms, now, doesn't it? Oh well, sucks for you."
Oh,I think this plays into it to. Probably a lot of both of my options and a lot of your option. Probably equal thirds. One third idiots, one third who want to use it as a gateway to keep redefining and one third a group that consciously is aware this covers much more weapons than they claim, but pretend it doesn't, because it's actually their goal to ban all weapons eventually.
To repeat my favorite - -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_minute
The Mad Minute was a pre-World War I bolt-action rifle speed shooting exercise used by British Army riflemen, using the Lee–Enfield service rifle. The exercise formally known as "Practice number 22, Rapid Fire, The Musketry Regulations, Part I, 1909", required the rifleman to fire 15 rounds at a "Second Class Figure" target at 300 yd (270 m). The practice was described as; "Lying. Rifle to be loaded and 4 rounds in the magazine before the target appears. Loading to be from the pouch or bandolier by 5 rounds afterwards. One minute allowed".
The first Mad Minute record was set by Sergeant Major Jesse Wallingford in 1908, scoring 36 hits on a 48-inch target at 300 yards (4.5 mils/ 15.3 moa)
Note this is aimed fire, only hits count.
Yeah. For purely suppressive fire they could achieve speeds comparable to early machine guns.
That’s fucking crazy.
German troops encountering BEF troops for the first time in combat reported that all the troops seemed to be armed with machine guns. BEF records showed it was a single calvary battalion and a single infantry battalion with only a couple machine guns and no artillery that effectively held up the German 6th Army for a couple hours, almost all were armed with either the Enfield rifle or the Enfield carbine.
My father was issued one when he served in the army back in the 50’s. He still speaks well of it.
Join the CMP and you can get a really sweet one (or just do like I did and buy one from someone in the CMP, no background check either, unless they have an FFL)
https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand
I've thought about it. Would love a M1 and or an M1 carbine. Just for the sake of owning a fine weapon.
Yeah, I wanted to get an M-1 and a Mauser to put in a side by side display.
I was going to call it "why we won".
But never had the money to spare for either one.
If I had the money though, as much as I like the M-1, I would spend it probably on 19th century weapons. A 1873 trapdoor, maybe a Sharps, a 1866 Winchester, a .56 Spencer repeater, etc. I also wouldn't be opposed to some antique Hawkens rifles, a Harpers Ferry M1803, Kentucky Long Rifle, Brown Bess and a Springfield M1860/1856 rifled musket. A Baker Rifle to go with the M1803 would be a cool display as well, a tribute to the rifle regiments of both sides in the War of 1812.
3 Parts" you've obviously never handled a Select Fire version, the full auto parts are the Auto Sear, Disconnector, Hammer, Trigger, Safety (and the pin for the Auto Sear as your AR shouldn't have either, or the hole for the pin,, Bolt Carrier, hmm, I'm forgetting one,
Oh yeah, an "AR" lower receiver would need to be milled out for clearance for the Autosear, and have the hole drilled in precisely the right spot, with the right diameter.
So that's arguably 8 parts,
care to show off your ignorance any more?
Frank
You know how an assault weapon was designed? It was designed for a specific purpose: to kill a lot of human beings quickly
Kinda makes me wish homicide weapons were a thing, and that I owned one. Alas, I don't think the military is willing to give up their monopoly on homicide weapons.
Weapons of war is exactly what the Second Amendment is about.
Notice that Biden stopped saying people couldn't own a cannon?
Biden repeats FALSE claim that you couldn't buy a cannon when the Second Amendment was ratified after paying tribute to victims of school shooting in Texas
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10870061/Biden-repeats-FALSE-claim-buy-cannon-Second-Amendment-ratified.html
Even the Brits knew that was a bunch of bull.
To be fair, the Second Amendment was ratified when the Crypt Keeper in Chief was a small child.
What's funny is many of those who claim it's a right for the militia are saying it's not a right about weapons of war.
That's the entire problem with the Federal Firearms Act, is it specifically bans weapons that would be most useful for militia service. Then again at the time it was passed, in the 1930s, even America still mostly used bolt action rifles for military service and semi automatic weapons were considered unsuitable for military service. Submachine guns also weren't widely considered as useful military weapons, despite the German Army using them effectively in the 1918 spring offensive. Machine guns were heavy and required a squad to operate efficiently. So, even the Miller decision, if applied to today's standards of military arms (the lower courts ruling, not the Supreme Court, since they remanded it back to the lower courts because the lower courts erroneously ruled shotguns were not suitable for militia service) would seem to imply that not only semi-automatics but fully automatics could not be banned, as they have legitimate use as a military weapon and therefore would be suitable for militia usage.
We are talking 1934 for the NFA. Thompson submachineguns, designed for clearing trenches, were available mail order. Clyde Barrows’ favorite gun, even over a Tommy Gun, was the WW I BAR - and in the hands of cops, is probably what killed him. It shoots the same 30-06 as the semiautomatic M1 Garand, which was under development throughout the 1920s, and was standardized on in 1936, as well as the earlier bolt action 1903 Springfield.
Notably, the first half of the 1930s involved the military holding trials to determine the replacement for the Springfield, and one of the requirements was that it be semiautomatic. As we know, the Garand ultimately won (in 1936), but by the late 1920s the military knew that their next main battle rifle was going to be semiautomatic. This turned out to be prescient - it easily outperformed the bolt action rifles fielded by the Axis Powers in WW II.
Yeah but at the time the NFA was passed the US was the only military actively developing semi-automatic rifles (the French were exploring them but still put most money into developing better bolt actions). The Thompson SMG was still not a Frontline weapon in most units and only the BAR was considered normal issue.
Additionally, most troops weren't armed with M-1s until late 1942. The Marines are Guadalcanal were armed exclusively with M1903 as were several, especially support troops, during Operation Torch. Most National Guard units and reserve units didn't receive M-1s until after the war or until they were activated. In fact, the M1903 remained as an official service rifle until the start of Vietnam, especially as a dedicated sniper and marksman rifle. Some Naval units even deployed to Vietnam with M1903, early in the Vietnam conflict.
The M1903 was officially retired in 1975 in the last Army units.
A muzzle loading musket was a weapon of war.
So was a rock.
Bingo.
You know what they used to call rocks specifically chosen and set aside for use in a sling? Bullets.
It was good enough for King David.
Careful now, we don't want to offend any slingers that may be reading
Yea olde pointy stick.
Ignoring the threat of pointy sticks is how you end up with the blind leading the blind.
Detachable magazines are actually safer than internal magazines. First, most semi automatic firearms can't be operated, even if a round is chambered, if the magazine is removed. Second, removing the magazine and then clearing the chamber eliminated the possibility of accidental discharges. Cycling the bolt of a semi-automatic with an internal magazines may actually chamber a round, increasing the chances of an accidental discharge. Additionally, unloading with an external magazine doesn't require you to feed every round through the firing chamber, whereas, in most semi-automatic and other weapons with internal magazines requires you to chamber each round to unload it. Not all, but the vast majority.
I'm not a fan of mag safeties. I tend to remove them.
Personal preference. I'm not a big fan of trigger safeties only either. I like an external safety as well as the trigger and grip safety. It's the one thing I don't like about my wife's XD-40, it only has the grip and trigger safety, so I don't usually have a round chambered. It's all preference.
I have accidentally discharged a shotgun because I didn't unload the internal magazine, and after cleaning it I cycled it and set the trigger. Luckily I always point it in a safe direction. I'll never make that mistake again. I was always taught to store a gun with the trigger set, not with the hammer cocked. Now I cycle that shotgun multiple times (has a three round plug, so I cycle it four times and check the magazine manually) before I set the trigger.
BTW smokeless powder isn't smokeless, it filled up the living room and set off the fire alarms.
Hah, yeah. Hard way to prove that, though.
I shot the house at the trap range once. Did nothing wrong, chambered a round (benelli shotgun, semi auto but we'd only chamber a round just before our turn and leave it open for the rangemaster to see otherwise) closed the bolt, and bam! I did NOT have my finger on the trigger, it was just a one in a million thing on a very well-used shotgun.
I have excellent muzzle discipline. (And the marine gunny who was teaching me would NEVER allow me to touch the shotgun if I didn't) so I was of course always pointed downrange. But there's nothing like that sort of wakeup call to remind you why that was ingrained in you, over and over, from the first day you learned how to shoot.
Yeah it's why it's the first rule of gun safety.
Dick Chaney??????
No, I had it pointed in a safe direction (straight up).
And trust me, I still wake up in a sweat thinking about it, three years after it happened and am still really embarrassed about it and have gotten far more safety cautious as a result. It also was a good teaching point for my kids about why muzzle discipline is always necessary, even if the gun is unloaded.
No problemo (Man!) I had an accidental discharge of my Remington 7600 (infamously known as the rifle JER used to kill MLK), great rifle, thought I'd loaded 3 rounds, fired 3 shots instead of the usual 4, stood up, cycled the action out of habit, pulled the trigger, Hilarity ensued, (and a nice bruise)
Frank
Clearly these machines should be sold at the toy aisle alongside Legos.
Idiot doesn't understand that using basic safety measures meant no one got hurt when an accident happened. Thinks he is clever when he clearly doesn't fucking understand what happened.
The little mini-army of millennials socialists pulling Biden's strings are not old enough to be president. It is unconstitutional to let them continue to act as president until they are order.
People who have never held a gun need to stfu.
Well, that includes what? 80% of democrats? It didn’t used to be that way, but since democrats have eschewed any kind of patriotism, or reverence for the constitution, they’ve turned into a pit of weak, Marxist soyboy pussies, and conniving, totalitarian sociopaths.
I love getting lectured by Hollywood actors, who almost always walk around with their finger on the trigger in movies and shows, while pretending to be gun experts. Yeah, you're such an expert you're breaking the third rule of firearms safety. Rule one, always point the muzzle in a safe direction. Rule two, always treat a weapon as if it was loaded unless you personally just unloaded it (although I tell my kids the second part doesn't apply, to treat all guns as if loaded). Rule three keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
Rule 4: Know your target and what is beyond it.
But the problem with a movie or TV show is that the actor's job is going to _require_ breaking rules 1 and 3. The script will call for him to point the gun at another actor (or sometimes the camerawoman, like James Baldwin) and pull the trigger. The only way that can be safe is to assuredly have the gun empty or loaded only with blanks. So it was the armorer's job to make sure of that when she handed Baldwin the gun; they don't count on the actor knowing how to clear a gun, or even to cock it. (OTOH, Baldwin was one of the producers, so hiring a competent armorer and allowing her the time and control of the set to keep things safe was _his_ job.)
It shouldn't be that difficult. Have no live ammo on the set at all, and the worst accident that can happen is shooting someone with the wad from a blank. But the props department had put together a fine collection of authentic "Old West" guns, and some of the crew and actors wanted to go target shooting with them, so now there were live rounds...
"dude you're 18 goto Somalia for us and take this gun"
"dude you're IN America and 18 so no guns"
Which is the exact argument the progressives used to pass the 26th amendment.
Isn't it interesting that 18 yo have rights to vote but not to drink and now they want to take away their rights to keep and bear arms?
lucky for us nothing will ever happen to the 2A Cash Cow
This. If they really cared about schools they would do what's actually worked in countries like Israel, which wasn't banning guns, but hardening schools and arming teachers.
I’m sure gun sales are further skyrocketing. On a side note, has anyone heard where that kid got the spare change to buy dual AR-15’s at over $2k a pop, plus ammo and accessories? He had a minimum wage job. Something seems very off about that.
Depends on the rifle, I just bought an Armstrong AM-4 for $550. The Smith and Wesson was a $100 more. Of course they want to cover this too, by slapping a 1000% tax on guns.
Apparently he posted pictures of the weapons and they are of the $2000 variety. Two of those plus everything else puts him around 5 grand.
Yeah. Wonder how he got that kind of money.
From the FBI?
Not to mention the kid left a Glock and some ammo in mags in his backpack when he ran from the $US50k+ truck he stole from his grandparents.
So my M1 and M1D, Springfield 1903A3, and Browning P35 are on the list for confiscation?
Weapons of war, as are the bayonets for the rifles.
Interestingly enough, in a lot of states, the M-1 is OK.
If the law requires "two or more" of the evil looking things, it is legal, because it only has a bayonet lug. All the other bad things, detachable magazines, thumbholes, folding stocks, etc. aren't there, so an M1 is just fine.
In the states where only one is disqualifying, you're out of luck.
Leave the flash suppressor off the "D" model and it is probably OK.
Five round bolt action rifles are loved by even democrats.
The Browning alone is OK, but check your local infringements for the magazines allowed.
A question for these people, who focus only on the tool, not the people who committed these acts. If he had been armed with a hatchet or knife and locked in a room full of 8 yo kids for an hour, would the body count have been any less? How about a muzzleloading musket?
I mean all he would have had to do is attack the adults first and then are a bunch of 8 yo kids really going to be able to stop him? I mean, gun control didn't stop homicides in England and now you can get arrested for having a knife or a screwdriver without permission.
You really think they care about what they say they care about?
They want to disarm the public because they are state supremacist totalitarians.
Tony as much as stated that is why he is bringing up dead kids, to get his preferences enforced, not to actually stop these types of crime.
Yes. The cops would have stormed without hesitation.
Next question.
Why did Law Enforcement wait to go in for an hour when these are the people you dickheads point to when asked who is going to protect us if we are disarmed?
Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile killed more people than all of the Guns I've ever owned (and loved)
The point a lot of people seem to miss is that "weapons of war" is exactly what the second amendment protects.
I would like to find anything that hasn't been a weapon of war at some point.
So defend your homestead with a shovel.
Shovels are most definitely weapons of war.
Arguably the most consequential weapon wielded by the Roman legions.
We would sharpen one edge of our e tools in the Army. Great close quarter weapon.
Shit the army and marine Corp has been sharpening e tools since WWI. Many preferred a sharpened e tool to a bayonet for close quarters work.
What a beautiful compromise we have reached! Politics ain't dead yet.
No, the only compromise is that you're an idiot who made a stupid comment and got called out for it.
Tony, here’s a compromise. You leave our guns alone and we allow you to live. Which is pretty fucking generous of us.
Whoosh the point went over your head again. With a sharpened e tool and the time given the murderer in Uvalda he would have killed the same number idiot.
It doesn't take much work to put an edge on an e tool either, as they are designed to put an edge on one side to cut limbs and such, as well as use as a close quarters weapon.
Ah, interesting. My initial instinct is to call you delusional, but why not try to get some real work done instead?
Since shovels are equally deadly as AR15s, let's simply ban AR15s, and for that matter all other guns, and allow shovels for all manner of personal defense. Progs will shut up about the issue, I guarantee it.
Given an hour, against unarmed kids? Yeah the only one who is delusional is you if you think that the outcome would have been any different.
Tony is not delusional. Tony is dishonest.
It is pointless to engage with Tony and his points since all his points are just rhetorical constructs intended to derail logical conversation and/or divert the conversation into emotional exchanges.
Tony does not care if limiting a particular weapon would reduce deaths in general or those described as "Mass Killings". Tony views all incidences of this nature as beneficial as they can be used in his rhetorical constructs in support of his preferred policies. It is disarming the public in order to better implement unrestrained government control that he supports and anything that can be used to advance that cause is great with him.
It has been clear for a long time that Tony is not a libertarian or a classical liberal in any form. He is a socialist/fascist (and no, I am not accusing him of any form of racism nor alleging he is not since I just don't know).
The goal is to remove the power of "wrong-thinking people" to resist the ability of "right-thinking people" like himself to impose those "right-thinking" policies on everyone. Firearms are just one of those things, the goal is also to "fix" the democratic process to assure that the "right-thinking" people are always in power and to censor speech so that all those "wrong" ideas don't get spread about.
So discussing how best to protect children or to enhance public safety more generally is not a genuine concern for Tony. He only values the actions of the evil or mentally disturbed as fodder for the broader effort to impose "right-think" on all.
You can kill dozens of people in minutes with a double-barreled shotgun if no one tries to stop you. Especially when they are small and defenseless and packed into a confined space. Heck a pair of 1870s six shooters can kill a dozen people in a few seconds, too.
Yeah, if you're the only one armed, killing a dozen people isn't difficult with just about any firearm in a short amount of time. Muzzleloaders may be the only one not capable of achieving that. But given an hour, with no one trying to stop you, except unarmed 8 yo in an enclosed space, even a Brown Bess Musket would be sufficient, especially if you used buck and ball rounds.
No. We won’t won’t bam anything. There is no negotiation here. Now go away. We have a lot of work to do ending the democrat policies that cause these murders.
Probably the cops amassed outside would not have hesitated as much if at all with an intruder armed with a knife. That's what you get with an intruder carrying as much firepower as the cops. It's human nature and even in Texas the tough guys hesitate from going Jack Reacher.
On the other hand, it probably would never have gotten that far if schools were not "gun free zones" and the teachers had guns and the training to use them.
It is striking that nearly all of these incidences take place in locations that are "gun free zones". It is almost as if the perpetrator KNEW he would be the only one there with a gun.
I’ll go even further amd say that if this kid were not stifled from any masculine behavior by democrat teachers and democrat administrators, and not pushed on to unnecessary medication by same, that this never would have happened in the first place.
The blame here is in Joe Friday and Tony. All of it.
That lady in West Virginia didn't hesitate.
USA Today:
CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people that had gathered for a party, authorities said.
Dennis Butler, 37, was killed Wednesday night after he pulled out the rifle and began shooting at dozens of people attending the birthday-graduation party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, police said in a statement.
The woman, who was attending the party, drew a pistol and fired, killing Butler, the statement said. No one at the party was injured.
“Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night,” Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett told news outlets Thursday.
But you won't see that every hour on the hour on CNN and MSNBC.
Of course not, they don’t care about human lives, just disarming the public so there can be no opposition to the Marxist democrat agenda.
"I would like to find anything that hasn't been a weapon of war":
Pillows. They have been used as a murder weapon and as a "silencer", but are rather impractical for combat.
Baked goods, except for poisoning. Terry Pratchett's dwarves are fictional, and so are the assault buns they baked.
Alec Baldwin's killed more Peoples with a Prop Gun than I have with real ones.
Clearly you need to up your game.
I'm stealing that.
I've been saying that the thousands of rounds I've fired at paper targets and not killed *anyone* must mean I'm using my "weapons of war" wrong.
According to that great philosopher, Lazarus Long, there is no such thing as a dangerous weapon. There are only dangerous men.
How many of you jacked off to the dead children? Be honest. You have no genuine political beliefs other than being aroused by the shredded bodies of children.
The only person who seems turned on by dead kids is you because you are an opportunists who is using the dead kids to push for your desires, as you admitted this morning.
Remember you said it doesn't matter if the laws actually work, you just want guns banned. And you don't care if it takes rights away, because you want to make everyone live by your preference.
Yes I'm mentioning the dead children in an effort to rationalize gun control. If there weren't so many butchered children, I'm not sure I'd care so much. It's all rather recursive.
Bullshit. You have stated multiple times you hate kids and wouldn't mind if they all disappeared or were killed (said that when discussing abortion). No, you only are using the dead kids as a means to try and force everyone to live by your rules. Which is the very definition of authoritarian.
The only reason you’re “upset” that those children are dead is because now you sick fucks won’t get a chance to groom and molest them.
You have made it abundantly clear several times that you have no use for women and children.
Tony, you’re the groomer here. And you killed these kids. Not us. But you won’t resume to that because you know I’m right.
You fucking cowardly little poof.
So, they will come out with a ne 5.56 rimfire cartridge? Seems like a mostly effective workaround.
I think that a high-velocity rimfire would be impractical. The hollow rim is a weak point in the cartridge, so chamber pressure has to be limited or the base breaks away from the cartridge. The .22LR is probably getting close to the limit. OTOH, I think there actually were .45 caliber rimfire black powder cartridges once. The muzzle velocity must have been subsonic, but the big slug hit hard.
Or if you challenge a modern cartridge designer and allow $10 casings milled from exotic alloys instead of cheaply pressed from brass, it's likely that he could create a high-power round that precisely fit however the law defines "rimfire", without looking anything like any current rimfire casing.
Not one inch!! The liberals want to turn us into Canada - see Trudeau the dictators actions over the last several years. If you want Canada style governance - then move to Canada!
American rights > democrat lives
The usual confusion sowing article on gun control by smug gun nuts with an obsessive firearm fixation. Note the author does not define what would be a reasonable definition of guns that should be either banned or under heightened control, and that's the point - sowing confusion while offering no solution.
Try this: Weapons combining high velocity rounds capability with semi-automatic operation. As noted time and again by ER docs who have tried to clean up the mess, high velocity rounds explode tissue and organs, even those adjacent to bullet travel. If you don't like that, offer an alternative or STFU. Those not looking for a solution - like this author - should honestly say that.
No guns need to be banned. Mass shootings are a result of democrat policies, not guns. Guns are just a tool. To solve the problem, get rid of the democrats.
America needs Americans, not democrats.
Major General Paul Eaton was the commander in charge of training Iraqi troops during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
"As the former Commanding General of the Infantry Center at Fort Benning and Chief of Infantry, I know a bit about weapons. Let me state unequivocally — For all intents and purposes, the AR-15 and rifles like it are weapons of war.
Let me state unequivocally — For all intents and purposes, the AR-15 and rifles like it are weapons of war. A thread:
Those opposed to assault weapon bans continue to play games with AR-15 semantics, pretending there’s some meaningful differences between it and the M4 carbine that the military carries. There really aren’t.
The military began a transition from the M16 to the M4, an improved M16, some years ago. The AR-15 is essentially the civilian version of the M16. The M4 is really close to the M16, and the AR-15.
So what’s the difference between the military’s M4 and the original AR-15? Barrel length and the ability to shoot three round bursts. M4s can shoot in three round bursts. AR-15s can only shoot single shot.
But even now, you can buy AR-15s in variable barrel lengths with Weaver or Picatinny rails for better sights and aiming assists like lasers. Like the military, but w/o the bayonet.
But our troops usually use single shot, not burst fire. You’re able to fire a much more accurate (deadly) shot, that way. Note: you can buy our Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight on Amazon. So troops usually select the same fire option available on AR-15.
That is why the AR-15 is ACCURATELY CALLED a ‘weapon of war.’ It is a very deadly weapon with the same basic functionality that our troops use to kill the enemy. Don’t take the bait when anti-gun-safety folks argue about it. They know it’s true. Now you do too."
https://twitter.com/PaulDEaton52/status/1532492803271544833
"That is why the AR-15 is ACCURATELY CALLED a ‘weapon of war.’ It is a very deadly weapon with the same basic functionality that our troops use to kill the enemy. "
Except for burst mode and full-auto. Sure, that black poly frame and adjustable shoulder stock with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time make it so much more deadly. Just gloss over the full-auto.
Let's review the history of the AR-15. Armalite was an advanced materials company that primarily focused on advanced plastics and metal alloys for jet aircrafts during the 1950s. They however had an exploratory unit dedicated to examining if these advanced polymers and alloys could be used in small arms manufacturing. This department was headed my an Aeronautical Engineer named Eugene Stoner. Stoner experimented with 15 rifles, mostly chambered in the 7.62 mm NATO cartridge, then the standard NATO cartridge for small arms. The Army and Marine Corp were not interested in Stoner's designs, however the USAF continental security forces were. Together with Remington they created the .223 Remington, a derivative of the .222 Remington. This was a widely popular small game center fire cartridge designed by Remington and introduced in 1950. The main of the USAF was not to design a battle rifle, or even a very lethal rifle. It was to cut down weight that security forces had to carry for 12 hour guard shifts with little possibility of actual enemy contact. The M-14 they felt was to heavy, and the M1911A1 only had a seven round magazine. The USAF adopted this rifle, for it's Continental security forces only in 1957. They expanded this to overseas security forces in 1961.
The Army and Marine Corp considered the rifle to finicky and not lethal enough. However, in 1961 Robert McNamara was appointed SecDef by President Kennedy. McNamara was a technocrat who had the goal of uniforming all equipment, from boots through jet aircraft, across all branches as a means to cut cost and improve efficiency. McNamara also had a reputation of ignoring the grunts and listening only to other technocrats. McNamara was impressed by Eugene Stoner and the "futuristic" rifle built from space age materials (that was actually Armalite's ad campaign). In 1964 he instructed the Army and Marines to begin the process of field testing the AR-15. After extensive testing, the Army returned a verdict that the rifle was not suitable for combat, and among other things listed it's small caliber that wasn't adequate or lethal enough and the lack of chrome plating on the chamber and breach. McNamara stated "if the engineer had wanted chrome plating he would have designed it that way". The Army and Marine Corp both understood the importance of chrome plating in tropical environments, as it reduces rusting and jamming, problems they had both experienced with early models of the M-1 and BAR in WW2. McNamara overrode the decision of the Army and forced the Army and Marine Corp to adopt the AR-15, now relabeled the M-16.
Armalite wasn't able to meet the contract needs, so the contract was given to Colt. Colt manufactured the M-16 from 1964-1967, however, multiple reports were making their way to Congress for a variety of failures on the M-16, which were costing lives. The troops also reported that the bullet was to weak and often it took multiple hits to stop a target. An investigation was launched. It concluded that the .223 was to weak, that the M-16 needed chrome plating, that the rifle needed frequent cleaning (McNamara had stated it was so advanced that it didn't need to be cleaned at all) and that the ball powder used to try and increase lethality was causing chambered rounds to swell overnight and jam the rifle. A new design was ordered and the M-16A1 was adopted. Colt, however, lost the contract, which was awarded to FN to produce the new rifle. Colt still owned the copyright for the name AR-15, and had been designing a long stroke gas piston semi-automatic rifle for varmint hunters and ranchers and farmers, chambered in the .223 Remington. A marketing ploy stated that the long stroke gas piston was the same as the one used in the M-16, and since they owned the name AR-15, and still had many of the machining for producing parts, why not make it look like the M-16 and sell it as the AR-15 and maybe that would get some police and security companies interested. So, that's what Colt did. They took a rifle that they had been designing specifically for civilian varmint hunters, made it look like a military rifle, and marketed it as a "civilian assault rifle". Sales however were not high, and Colt withdrew this rifle from the market in the mid 1980s.
The M-16A1 performed much more reliably than the M-16, but the round was still considered to light and not lethal enough for combat use. So, the Army worked with FN to retool the .223 Remington cartridge, a cartridge designed on a varmint load considered to light for use in combat by the Army and Marine Corp. However, the services owned 100,000s of rifles chambered in .223, and therefore the new cartridge had to be able to be chambered in these same rifles. The result was the 5.56 mm NATO introduced in 1980. The Army also adopted a newer M-16, the M-16A2. However, combat experience in Panama, Desert Storm and Somalia revealed the 5.56 mm still lacked the lethality the military desired. The Army and Marine Corp has redesigned the 5.56 mm, going from a 55 grain bullet to a longer 75 grain round, about a dozen times. In 1998, Remington introduced the 6.8 mm SPC to replace the 5.56 mm. The Army was interested and even fielded it with special operations troops, however, Congress would not authorize the cost to upgrade the M-16A2 to the 6.8 (which was designed specifically to fit the bolt and magazine well of the M-16 model rifles and just needed the upper receiver rather than the whole rifle replaced). Combat in Iraq and especially Afghanistan shower beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 5.56 was inadequate as a combat round and the Army and Marines began issuing some troops the old M-14 to increase the firepower of a rifle squad. In 2018 the Army announced a new rifle design competition for a new battle rifle chambered for a new 6.8 mm x 51 mm round to replace the M-16 and the 5.56 mm. SigArms was awarded the contract for both the ammunition and the rifle April of this year.
As you can see the AR-15 was not designed as a weapon of war and it's not very lethal. In fact they were not even popular rifles until Biden and Clinton worked to ban them in 1994.
And just like that, George Takei clearly expressed the reason we have the 2nd Amendment.
"Crazy thought, but those 20 million AR-15s now in this country could sure arm a lot of Ukrainians. "
Bonus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_the_Soviet_Union
All guns are designed to kill people. Actual weapons of war are so cost prohibitive that ordinary people can't acquire them, legal or not.
Anti-2A need to stop watching movies and shoot some real guns. Automatic fire is a boogeyman. Banning automatic weapons did nothing except make would-be killers more proficient with guns.
Ukrainians are using WWII surplus weapons to defend their country. Age is just a number.
I also want to specifically address the notion that the founding fathers could not imagine modern weaponry. Madison was the last founding father to die and he passed in 1836. By that point in time, lever action technology entered the market. The founding fathers oversaw and lead wars where new weapon technologies were deployed. Even though firearms became more lethal during their lifetime, not a single one of them began to express doubts or question 2A. The next generation that succeeded them didn't remain silent. They doubled down on 2A and fought to make sure that freed slaves were not stripped of their right to bear arms. It wasn't until the mid 20th century that actual gun control became palatable.
And so we say: SHALL.
That all went over Tony and JF’s heads. They’re retarded democrat drones.
Some colonial militia even faced breechloading rifles, the Ferguson rifle. It had some weaknesses, but they could have been fixed. Unfortunately for the British troops in this and the Napoleonic wars, the British Parliament wasn't willing to buy a private a gun that was as expensive (I'm guessing) as a lieutenant's full-dress uniform; Major Ferguson used his own money to equip one small unit, and when he died, the experiment was over, no matter how successful.
As long as he stays away from Trump stuff, sullum is one the best journalists in the country.
Some comments based on experience from a northern neighbour. The single, absolute and non-negotiable goal for "gun control" advocates is to totally eliminate private ownership of firearms. They have no half-way position, despite their claims to the contrary. Any talk of "common sense" restrictions is just to notch them one more step towards their ultimate goal of taking away all firearms.
We have seen this in Canada, with at first a few semi-auto rifles being prohibited, then with thousands of different types of semi-auto rifles being prohibited, then with hand guns being banned and now with increasing restrictions on bolt action rifles.
I was born and raised in NYC. Lived there for a number of years too. Departed, never to return in 1967. Why? I enjoy a somewhat odd activity, shooting rifles at paper targets. All was well till city legislation enacted in 1967, which I testified against at city council hearings created hoops that I, a law abiding citizen was unwilling to abide by. I therefore removed myself from the jurisdiction of this idiocy, unconstitutional idiocy in my view. By the way, I’ve yet to find error in my decision to move.
Respecting unfortunately ongoing stupidity, legislative and otherwise, the following FACT might possibly interest some. Semi-automatic rifles, in various calibers, various configurations, internal and external magazines, have been readily available since PRIOR TO WORLD WAR 1. That’s more than 100 years, without observable problem.
The second amendment is all about "weapons of war;" it ain't for hunting deer.
So, what happens when the military goes to a different caliber than 5.56? They will no longer weapons of war.
Are we raising the age of young men that can fight in wars as well?