Former New York Times Reporter Denies in New Book That Hugo Chávez Was a Socialist
A new book vividly portrays human beings coping with daily existence in a disintegrating society but offers an incoherent analysis of what went wrong.

Things Are Never So Bad That They Can't Get Worse: Inside the Collapse of Venezuela, by William Neuman, St. Martin's Press, 352 pages, $22.08
The Bolivarian Cable Train was an elevated railroad planned for a poor neighborhood in Caracas, Venezuela. It ended up running for only three-fifths of a mile and connecting to nothing.
By 2012, four years into the project, the government had spent about $440 million on it and the project was only partly finished. But the country's socialist leader, Hugo Chávez, decided that he wanted to take a ride on live television. The contractors told his handlers the train wasn't ready yet; the cable, motors, and machinery had not even been installed.
"No European engineer is going to tell the people of Venezuela what can or cannot be done," Chávez's lackey replied. So the government paid an extra million dollars for a temporary setup that might fool the TV audience. An ebullient Chávez (seemingly oblivious that the fragile, makeshift operation nearly sent him hurtling down the track during the broadcast) boasted that "this is the work of a socialist government so that the people will live better every day."
Today the train runs intermittently, the Brazilian company overseeing its construction has pleaded guilty to corruption in 12 countries, Chávez has died from cancer, and Venezuela, after more than two decades under the control of Chávez and his successor, Nicolás Maduro, has been transformed from a constitutional democracy into a brutal dictatorship. The whole cable train saga is vividly recounted in Things Are Never So Bad That They Can't Get Worse, a new book by former New York Times reporter William Neuman.
The book gives voice to a woman named Hilda Solórzano, providing a snapshot of what life is like for the Venezuelan poor. Her son's teeth turned black and fell out from lack of calcium. Her uncle and brother were murdered. Her 10-year-old daughter was kidnapped, tortured, killed, and tossed in a garbage dump. After Solórzano started a successful baking business, a relative stole the money she needed for ingredients. She lives in the same Caracas slum where the government spent around half a billion dollars on the Bolivarian Cable Train.
Neuman also introduces us to bookstore manager José Chacón, the "Last Chavista," who can't afford the mayonnaise, beef, and tomatoes he once loved. He skips meals and drops 15 pounds. But Chacón is unswayed. He reveres Chávez and is grateful that the socialist state taught him "to eat healthier." Someday, after everyone has fled the country, Neuman writes, "you'll see Chacón, sitting atop the great pile of rubble and ash, holding firm, chewing on the last lentil."
These are powerful depictions of human beings coping with daily existence in a disintegrating society. But when it comes to explaining why this oil-rich nation experienced one of the largest economic contractions in modern world history, the book is a muddle.
Neuman won't accept Chávez's word that he was a socialist. Although the Venezuelan leader used that word relentlessly to describe his policies after 2005, Neuman insists it was just a marketing ploy. "Chávez was neither a Marxist nor in any real sense, despite the rhetoric, a socialist," he writes. It was "showcialismo."
Was it? One classic definition of socialism is government control of the means of production. Chávez nationalized banks, oil companies, telecommunications, millions of acres of farmland, supermarkets, stores, the cement industry, a glass container maker, a gold-mining outfit, the steel industry, a fertilizer company, a shipping company, the electricity industry, vacation homes, and more. He imposed capital controls that put the government in charge of all foreign trade, turning Venezuela into a command-and-control economy—aside from its burgeoning black market, another typical feature of socialist societies.
In industry after industry, nationalization led to deterioration, abandonment, and collapse. In 2008, Chávez boasted that he would transform the steel giant Sidor into a "socialist company owned by the socialist state and the socialist workers." By 2019, at the Sidor plant in Guayana City, "everything was stained with rust," Neuman writes. "In all that great expanse, nothing moved." The book is filled with similar accounts.
So it was dumbfounding to read on page 82 that "Chávez made no serious effort to dismantle the market economy." The book claims he was merely continuing longstanding Venezuelan policies but painting them "a different color." Neuman is a journalist who tells powerful stories and then misinterprets his own material.
Chávez was not the first Venezuelan president to nationalize companies, fix the exchange rate, or impose price controls. But he pursued these policies on a much larger scale than his predecessors. Chávez also gutted property rights, destroyed the currency, dismantled the judiciary, corrupted the military, and undermined the separation of powers. One lesson of his reign is that when it comes to building sustainable prosperity, institutions matter more than possessing the world's largest oil reserves.
Neuman's analysis gets ridiculous in the post-2013 era, after oil profits (which plummeted because of a collapse in production and the end of the price boom) could no longer paper over the hollowed-out economy. That, Neuman writes, meant the state was "reduced to the absolute minimum." Services disappeared and crime ran rampant, which in his view shows us what happens when "private initiative can flourish, unencumbered." But "private initiative" depends on the rule of law. In 2019, the Fraser Institute's Human Freedom Index ranked Venezuela 163 out of 165 countries in the category of "Legal System and Property Rights."
Neuman sees nothing necessarily wrong with nationalizing industries; he just thinks Chávez did a bad job of it. "You can make an argument that certain industries or certain types of companies might be better under public control," he writes. But "you ought to make an effort to run them well—to invest in them and to hire competent administrators."
This argument reminds me of comedian John Oliver's 2018 claim that Venezuela's collapse is best understood as a case of "epic mismanagement," not socialism. It is certainly true that Chávez and his cronies mismanaged the businesses they seized. The country operated as a "mafia state," a concept developed by the Venezuelan journalist Moisés Naím. Writing recently in The Wall Street Journal, Naím observed that the country's socialism often served "as little more than a narrative that the powerful used to cover up their plunder of public assets." But that is true of many socialist regimes. Indeed, it is what we should expect of them.
In his 1944 book The Road to Serfdom, F. A. Hayek argued that the transition to government ownership of the means of production will invariably be spearheaded by the worst types of people. Only a "skillful demagogue," Hayek wrote, can bring the "gullible" together around "hatred of an enemy"—the United States, in Venezuela's case—and then show the "ruthlessness required" to centralize an entire economy. For the apparatchiks, "the readiness to do bad things becomes a path to promotion and power."
Neuman's claim that nationalization might make companies "better" also fails to recognize that when governments steal from citizens, they scare off capital. "Investment in Venezuela has disappeared," said Marcel Granier, the CEO of Radio Caracas Televisión (RCTV), in 2007. "Nobody is going to invest in a country where they're threatened with expropriation." Granier made those remarks during RCTV's final broadcast before Chávez forced the station off the airwaves.
Speaking of RCTV: At one point in the book, Neuman travels to a café in Berlin for an interview with former RCTV producer Andrés Izarra. Izarra, who used to serve as Chávez's minister of communications, is depicted as a pained ex-official "trying to make sense" of everything he went through.
Neuman does not inform his readers that Izarra is one of Chavismo's great villains—an ideologue who spent more than a decade excusing government crimes. He was central to the propaganda campaign defending the shutdown of RCTV on the grounds that the network had supported a coup attempt in 2002. In 2008, he defended Chávez's decision to expel Human Rights Watch from the country, accusing the organization of being a cover for planned U.S. interference. In 2010, he broke into uproarious and dismissive laughter during a CNN discussion of Venezuela's exploding murder rate. That same year, he tweeted: "Franklin Brito smells like formaldehyde." Brito was a martyred farmer who had died in a hunger strike after the Venezuelan government expropriated his land.
Izarra eventually fled Venezuela and now lives comfortably with his family in Germany. Hilda Solórzano remains stuck in a violent slum, worried about her next meal.
Socialism in Venezuela caused millions of personal tragedies, and I'm glad that Neuman brings many of them to life so vividly. But paying tribute to the victims should also mean being clear-eyed about the cause of their suffering. Otherwise, such catastrophes are apt to be repeated.
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I don't know about Hugo Chavez. But I do know that in the US, modern "socialists" are basically establishment Democrats. They want the same things the wealthy and powerful want — $40 billion for Ukraine, open borders, Biden in the White House.
Establishment dems are neoliberals, which is pretty based. I never heard any dem candidate advocate for the worker controlled means of production. Also free immigration is based AF.
#CheapLaborAboveAll
Hey Peanuts remember how terrible the Trump economy was? And not just the pandemic year. 2017 through 2019 were awful too. Remember when your investments tanked as soon as Trump "won" just like Paul Krugman said they would? Thankfully the Biden economy is much better. You should be making way more money now.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
$6 gas is a small price to pay to get the mean tweets nightmare behind us.
When you're a successful liberal capitalist, you can afford to pay a little extra for gas to put in the Ferrari you bought with your #BidenBoom earnings.
#BestEconomyEver
Pfffbbt! *The* Ferrar*i*? Plebs! Gas goes in The Cullinan, the Ferrari*s* sit in the garage.
My maid drives a Maybach.
Can't afford a full time chauffeur, eh? I know, times are tough. We must all make do with what we can.
Of course the mean tweets are still there, it is just that they are from democrats and other fascists directed at those who prefer individual freedom.
Given the awful state of Venezuela. it's obvious it was never socialist since socialism - true socialism - leads to a paradise on Earth,
Thanks! But I came here to say that! Hardcore socialism has NEVER worked, as history shows! The more hardcore it is, the more hardships it leads to! ... But never mind THAT; we proud AMERICANS can make it WORK, 'cause we're better than all of those un-American fools!
Lest the "R" party fans get too smug about all this, and blame all American socialism on the Demon-Craps... Let me remind you, ONE-PARTY rule has never worked, either! And here are the Trump cultists lusting after 1-party rule! Drool for that 1-party rule, fool!
I'm still waiting for Trump to take BACK His Big Lie!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
"I'm still waiting for Trump to take BACK His Big Lie!!!"
Speaking of big lies, how about that multiyear propaganda episode put on by the Democrats and almost all of the media about Russian collusion? You know, the one that fundamentally destroyed any faith in our constitutional Republic.
I am waiting for the media and Democrats to admit that their "dirty trick" morphed into a BIG, VERY BIG, VERY UGLY LIE, with tragic consequences for our fragile Republic.
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/08/18/senate-panel-concludes-russia-interfered-in-2016-us-election/
Senate Panel Concludes Russia Interfered in 2016 US Election
The report from the Republican-led panel lays out significant contacts between associates of President Donald Trump and Russian officials.
The Republican-led panel MUST have been led by RINOs, right? Tribalism uber alles!!!
Your link is two years old. Since that time the "investigator" who provided the "evidence" used in the report to the the Senate Armed Services Committee, has been arrested and charged for lying about and manufacturing the evidence himself.
For example he misrepresented mass marketing emails from Trump's real estate company that went to Russians along with tens of thousands of other clients, as communication between Trump and Russia.
Furthermore it's been discovered that George Soros hired and commissioned the investigator, not the Senate Armed Services Committee, and that John McCain knew that and deliberately hid the fact. McCain knew that most of the evidence was manufactured but included it anyway. McCain also knew that Soros had funded the investigation and allowed it.
McCain used the committee as a personal smear machine to cast innuendo and make insinuations without actually perjuring himself.
You're right about tribalism being involved. McCain was a prominent neocon warrior, and his establishment neocon tribe hated the fact that an anti-war bigmouth got elected and was hurting their Raytheon stock.
In the end though the fraudulent allegations still couldn't be substantiated. As your own link says, "the report from the Senate intelligence committee does not reach a conclusion about whether the Trump campaign and Russia criminally conspired to sway the election".
Contrary to your claim that the report was bipartisan, your own link says, "A group of Republicans on the panel submitted “additional views” to the report saying that it should state more explicitly that Trump’s campaign did not coordinate with Russia."
That "group of Republicans" was all of them.
So in the end the Democrats on the committee used the committee in the same way McCain had. As a smear machine to cast innuendo and make insinuations without actually saying anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#2020_developments
Links between Trump associates and Russian officials
Main article: Links between Trump associates and Russian officials
During the course of the 2016 presidential campaign and up to his inauguration, Donald J. Trump and at least 17 campaign officials and advisers had numerous contacts with Russian nationals, with WikiLeaks, or with intermediaries between the two. As of January 28, The New York Times had tallied more than a hundred in-person meetings, phone calls, text messages, emails and private messages on Twitter between the Trump Campaign and Russians or WikiLeaks.[388]
In spring of 2015, U.S. intelligence agencies started overhearing conversations in which Russian government officials discussed associates of Donald Trump.[389] British and the Dutch intelligence have given information to United States intelligence about meetings in European cities between Russian officials, associates of Putin, and associates of then-president-elect Trump. American intelligence agencies also intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Trump associates.[284] Multiple Trump associates were reported to have had contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016, although in February 2017 U.S. officials said they did not have evidence that Trump's campaign had co-operated with the Russians to influence the election.[390] As of March 2017, the FBI was investigating Russian involvement in the election, including alleged links between Trump's associates and the Russian government.[216]
Chest height portrait of man in his sixties wearing a suit and tie
Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak met with a number of U.S. officials.
In particular, Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak has met several Trump campaign members and administration nominees; the people involved have dismissed those meetings as routine conversations in preparation for assuming the presidency. Trump's team has issued at least twenty denials concerning communications between his campaign and Russian officials;[391] several of these denials turned out to be false.[392] In the early months of 2017, Trump and other senior White House officials asked the Director of National Intelligence, the NSA director, the FBI director, and two chairs of congressional committees to publicly dispute the news reports about contacts between Trump associates and Russia.[393][394]
Paul Manafort
Further information: Paul Manafort and Trials of Paul Manafort
Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had several contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016, which he denied.[390] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump.[187] The Mueller investigation and the Senate Intelligence Committee found that, as Trump's campaign manager in August 2016, Manafort shared Trump campaign internal polling data with Ukrainian political consultant Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Mueller Report linked to Russian intelligence, while the Intelligence Committee characterized him as a "Russian intelligence officer."[395][396] Manafort gave Kilimnik data for Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, states the Russian Internet Research Agency specifically targeted for social media and ad campaigns. Trump won those three states by narrow margins and they were key to his election.[395][397][398]
In 2017 Manafort was indicted in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on various charges arising from his consulting work for the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine before Yanukovych's overthrow in 2014, as well as in the Eastern District of Virginia for eight charges of tax and bank fraud. He was convicted of the fraud charges in August 2019 and sentenced to 47 months in prison by Judge T.S. Ellis. Although all the 2017 charges arose from the Special Counsel investigation, none of them were for any alleged collusion to interfere with U.S. elections.[399] On March 13, 2019, Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Manafort to an additional 43 months in prison.[400][401] Minutes after his sentencing, New York state prosecutors charged Manafort with sixteen state felonies.[402] On December 18, 2019, the state charges against him were dismissed because of the doctrine of double jeopardy.[403] On May 13, 2020, Manafort was released to home confinement due to the threat of COVID-19.[404] On December 23, 2020, U.S. president Donald Trump pardoned Manafort.[405]
Michael Flynn ... And more!!!
All made-up bullshit from the Lizard People, no doubt...
Umm... that still doesn't back your assertions.
Also Manafort was sentenced to prison for allegations unrelated to Trump-Russia collusion.
So his prison sentence enhances his innocence and veracity? Or is it his Trump pardon that does that?
Sending someone to prison for unrelated charges and having no actual evidence of their wrong doing on the charges you accused them of makes you look like an idiot and a fucking political hack.
You capable of reading? From my linked quote above... Just 'cause the politicians will NOT see fit to call the evidence indicative of "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt", does NOT mean that the wrong-doers are innocent! Was OJ Simpson pure as the driven snow? 'Cause he got off on the criminal charges?
The Mueller investigation and the Senate Intelligence Committee found that, as Trump's campaign manager in August 2016, Manafort shared Trump campaign internal polling data with Ukrainian political consultant Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the Mueller Report linked to Russian intelligence, while the Intelligence Committee characterized him as a "Russian intelligence officer."[395][396] Manafort gave Kilimnik data for Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, states the Russian Internet Research Agency specifically targeted for social media and ad campaigns. Trump won those three states by narrow margins and they were key to his election.[395][397][398]
In 2017 Manafort was indicted in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on various charges arising from his consulting work for the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine...
In cahoots with Russian spies up to his eyeballs!
"In 2017 Manafort was indicted in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on various charges arising from his consulting work for the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine"
Whoops! You accidentally-on-purpose left off the subsequent sentence, Shillsy.
"He was convicted of the fraud charges in August 2019 and sentenced to 47 months in prison by Judge T.S. Ellis. Although all the 2017 charges arose from the Special Counsel investigation, none of them were for any alleged collusion to interfere with U.S. elections.[399]"
What's the word for the sort of misrepresentation you just did? Fraud? Lies of omission? Dishonesty?
What would M. Scott Peck say?
"Manafort gave Kilimnik data for Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, states the Russian Internet Research Agency specifically targeted for social media and ad campaigns."
This was ordinary polling data and Manafort gave Kilimnik the data at a press conference alongside other journalists who also received the polling data.
The Clinton campaign also gave Kilimnik their polling data in the same way.
The NYT and the WaPo tried to make an ordinary event that happens hundreds of times every election sound sketchy because of one of the press reps present. And rather than relying on intelligence sources the Mueller Report instead referenced the newspaper pieces without comment, hoping to parlay the same insinuation without actually having to comment on their veracity.
This is called a smear campaign, Shillsy.
Shorter Mammary-Fuhrer: Trump and Trumpistas can do NO wrong! Just as OJ Simpson was-is pure as the driven snow, simply because the criminal jury couldn't find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt... So, too, since politicians and politician-judges won't convict Trump and Trumpistas, so that it sticks... And Trump doesn't go off and pardon them... So then they, too, like OJ Simpson, are pure as the driven snow!
"If the shit doesn't fit (PERFECTLY!), you must acquit!"
Also Sprach Mammary-Fuhrer!
"Shorter Mammary-Fuhrer: Trump and Trumpistas can do NO wrong!
Shorter Shillsy: "I got caught lying and misquoting Wikipedia and now I'm mad".
Hey Mammary-Fuhrer! Here is YOUR style of arguing (see further below). Post up a PDF file to "prove" shit that's not even discussed in the PDF file!
Here, see the attached file, which will PROVE that you are incurably stupid! Beyond all hope of repair!
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/A17_FlightPlan.pdf
"Post up a PDF file to "prove" shit that's not even discussed in the PDF file!"
It was all in that PDF you lying swine. If you actually read it instead of trying to Ctrl+f images like a retard, you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself.
Not owned, loaned! Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer loaned out Her Perfect So-Called "brain", and forgot to ask to get it back!
Hey Dizzled-Frizzled-Sizzled-Fizzled-"Brains" and Mammary-Fuhrer... Search through ALL of the non-text-searchable photos in the below link, and You will find written, "Many Conservaturds are Totally Idiotic, MOST certainly to include Dizzled-Frizzled-Sizzled-Fizzled-'Brains' and Mammary-Fuhrer." It is written!
To PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt, that You are lazy and not willing to put in the hard work... I am NOT telling you page number, approx. location in the doc, or photo description, or ANYTHING like that! Lazy scum!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/sonograms/
SQRLSY One is a fascist propagandist and serial liar.
People still pushing the senate report and ignoring all new known facts are quite frankly partisan idiots. It is the same crew in denial about their leftist leaning all pushing that report still.
I notice NO citations from you OR from Mammary-Fuhrer. Gee, I wonder why?
Sure thing pumpkin. Will you read them? Probably not, but I like showing you for what you actually are.
Here are the court documents showing that George Soros, paid for his own investigator to work for the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee to plant the fake Trump-Russia story–and that then-Senator John McCain let him do it: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/JonesV.Alfa_.pdf
https://www.thebulwark.com/the-alfa-bank-hoax-hoax/
TRUMPISM CORRUPTS
The Alfa Bank Hoax Hoax
MAGAs once again think they have proof Hillary did the Russia scandal—and once again they are full of shit.
by TIM MILLER MAY 23, 2022 5:30 AM
I posted actual court documents...
Shillsy responded with a propaganda piece from NeverTrumper central, The Bulwark.
Nothing like recycled Lincoln Project fanwank to refute actual court documents and sworn testimony.
I searched Your Perfect PDF file for "Soros", and it didn't come up at all! Neither did "George"! Got any more Perfect lies for us?
McCain doesn't show up either! What a Perfect Lying Bitch you are!
Read the white spaces below for PROOF that the Lizard People have taken over Your Perfect Brain!
"I searched Your Perfect PDF file for "Soros", and it didn't come up at all!"
They're photographs of the court documents you stupid twat. It's done that way so that they're not editable. You can't Ctrl+f to find anything, you have to do it the old fashioned way and read it.
Every time that I think you can't ever possibly get more idiotic, you blow my expectations out of the water.
Here's the indictment of Sussman that shows the same issue. Again, it's not searchable, retard so you'll actually have to read it and learn:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/9901e223-403a-47ce-93e0-1d78a5ff6627.pdf
Here's the subpoena on Thomas Kirk McConnel. Lucky for the you are this one is searchable. Hooray! You don't have to read and learn:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/9901e223-403a-47ce-93e0-1d78a5ff6627.pdf
Here's the tax information for the The Democracy Integrity Project.
The group's purpose was to pick up the work started under the Clinton campaign by Fusion GPS and former MI-6 agent Christopher Steele seeking to link Trump to Russia collusion. Its tax filings show it raised $7 million in 2017 to start its work. A Soros spokesman said that Soros supported TDIP financially as demonstrated in the returns.
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/TDIP2017TaxForm990.pdf
and
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-09/TDIP2018Tax990Form.pdf
These are the guys who provided the phony info on Russian connections to McCain.
ML, nowhere in the Sussman indictment is anyone claiming that the DNS data between Trump and Alfa Bank is fake. The disputable question is how the DNS data should be interpreted - as some nefarious "back channel"? Or as usual Internet traffic? Sussman made his case and presented his evidence. The Senate committee looked into it and made its determination. Where is the fraud here?
Here are the court documents showing that George Soros, paid for his own investigator to work for the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee to plant the fake Trump-Russia story–and that then-Senator John McCain let him do it:
It does? YOu're going to have to point out where George Soros is mentioned in the document, because as far as I can tell, it's not there.
Read harder fifty-center. It's in there. Also look at the two tax forms above.
Fuck, Soros even publicly said he wrote the check to TDIP.
No, you are going to have to be more specific in the proof of your claim. You allege these dark conspiracies and point to huge legal documents without explicitly showing how anything in the document proves the existence of these conspiracies. Go ahead, construct the argument if you can.
Look, you obviously got this court document from some other article that purported to "explain for you" what it meant. What is their argument?
Mammary-Fuhrer reads and reads (whatever vaguely related materials she can find), until Her so-called Perfect Brain gets tired, and then... Concludes that what She had already decided, MUST be true, and is backed up by the evidence! A LOT like most of our tribalistic politicians!
On page 22 of Mamma's NON-SEARCHABLE crappy PDF file, it labels some of its contents as "Draft Research Report: Not for Public Dissemination"... Meaning, the lawyers will NOT stand by what they submit to the court, and say so, to protect their lying asses!
"Submitted to court" NOT equal true, Perfectly lying Mamma! As evidence that what I say (above) is true, I submit to you, fully SEARCHABLE links! And STOP wasting our time with crap that doesn't support what You say!
Lawyers will submit to the court, ANY and EVERY lie, if you PAY them enough! Period!
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/?comments=true#comments (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
"And in Chemjeff head if no one comes along to point him to the exact paragraphs with college level citations then it he can make believe it doesn't exist at all."
Hey Dizzled-Frizzled-Sizzled-Fizzled-"Brains" and Mammary-Fuhrer... Search through ALL of the non-text-searchable photos in the below link, and You will find written, "Many Conservaturds are Totally Idiotic, MOST certainly to include Dizzled-Frizzled-Sizzled-Fizzled-'Brains' and Mammary-Fuhrer." It is written!
To PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt, that You are lazy and not willing to put in the hard work... I am NOT telling you page number, approx. location in the doc, or photo description, or ANYTHING like that! Lazy scum!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/sonograms/
Collectivistjeff is simply lying, because collectivistjeff is an evil totalitarian clump of cancer
Has it resorted to its ‘Tim the Enchanter’ copypasta yet?
I guess he feels like he hasn't lost quite yet. I'm sure that it's incoming though.
Ask for wisdom, and ye shall receive the treasure in full measure!
Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!
So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…
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And Shillsy waves his white flag.
I'm waiting for this TDS-addled asshole to eat shit and die.
You first, SmegmaLung! You hypocrite! If you are NOT a hypocrite, you will GLADLY lead by example!
(PS, WHEN are you gonna refute a DAMNED thing that I write, with something more intelligent and well-informed than grade-school diaper-shitting?)
Eat shit and die. Make your family proud.
Well, he’s already completed the first step in that process.
Someday, after everyone has fled the country "you'll see
Chacón,SQRLSYsitting atop the great pile of rubble and ash, holding firm, chewing on the last
lentilturd.""I'm waiting for this TDS-addled asshole to eat shit and die."
You might be waiting a while, he's been eating shit for years.
Some folks are smart enough, and well-informed enough, to discuss ethics, morality, and politics. Others are so damned stupid, all they can talk about, literally, is shit!
So you're going to grace us with another of your rabbit hutch poop stories again?
It is true that Mammary-Fuhrer and R Mac both need to take more "smart pills", yes indeed. It is shown to be true by the VERY low and utterly tribalistic nature of their so-called "discourse".
Ohhh, almost. And what were those "smart pills" made of again?
The "smart pills" are made of all the concepts documented in the 2 links below. When you can read and understand them, please get back to me for a deeper understanding...
PS, just 'cause I'm right and You're Perfectly Wrong, does NOT mean that I am trying to steal all of Your blow-up dolls away from You!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
I don't want to go to your creepy website. Just tell us what were those "smart pills" made of, here.
The moral-ethical bright lights emanating from my "creepy website" hurts Your Perfect Eyes, Perfect Servant of the Evil One?
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
What does that have to do with the topic at hand, you gibbering retard.
Just tell us what your "smart pills" were made of.
Learn to READ, Bitch!
The "smart pills" are made of all the concepts documented in the 2 links below. When you can read and understand them, please get back to me for a deeper understanding...
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Speaking of big lies, how about that multiyear propaganda episode put on by the Democrats and almost all of the media about Russian collusion? You know, the one that fundamentally destroyed any faith in our constitutional Republic.
Oh give me a break. It was a scandal, not unlike many other scandals that this Republic has endured.
There was actual evidence of some type of relationship between the Trump campaign in 2016, and Russian interests. Some of the evidence turned out to be rather weak, that is true. It was looked into, Mueller wrote his report, Congress ultimately decided to do nothing, end of the story.
I don't see how this scandal is fundamentally any different than any of the other recent scandals from other admins, such as the Valerie Plame "outing" scandal, the IRS targeting scandal, the Benghazi scandal, etc. In each case, there was real evidence that something scandalous had taken place, but the real evidence of course was dwarfed by the much larger partisan circus that each tribe attempted to create about the scandal with their own narratives about "what really happened". Congress and the DOJ looked into each one and decided on a course of action, whether prudentially or not. How is the Trump-Russia scandal any different?
My tribe innocent! Your tribe guilty!
Well then yes, not all that different from past scandals...
Speaking of scandals...
Trump and His Top Trumpistas are all innocent, 'cause Trump is goading on and girding up all of His Supporters to stand back for now, but stand by to throw some more riots if too many facts unfavorable to Trump are disclosed! THIS is how we get "justice" around here!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/05/politics/donald-trump-preparations-january-6-hearing/index.html
Trump mobilizing his MAGA allies to defend him ahead of January 6 hearings
Proud Boys are SOOO proud of Him!
It looks like the new talking points are out. We're watching the transition from "he really was guilty" so "it was no big deal".
They must have realized denying reality doesn't sit will with normal voters.
It was, by far, the biggest political crime in US history (unless it comes out that LBJ+CIA killed JFK).
But collectivistjeff says "no biggie", because collectivistjeff is an evil totalitarian piece of shit.
When I call Jeff evil, I'm not doing for the purposes of rhetoric.
No there wasn't. It has all been debunked dummy.
Totally not a TDS addled partisan.
And those (in abundance here) who favor a 1-party state? A TrumptatorShit? They're not partisan at ALL?
WHEN are ye lusters after the 1-party "R" state, in which all non-"R" votes are fraudulent... WHEN are ye gonna name for me, ONE historical example of a 1-party state that provided long-term peace and prosperity? For peons and others, other than the ruling party kleptocrats, that is?
Socialists denying socialism. I wonder why?
Hey, visionaries don't have time to deal with reality (or dead bodies).
Should the Misinformation Police ban this book? Will Twitter ban any account repeating or promoting this?
"Former New York Times Reporter Denies in New Book That Hugo Chávez Was a TRUE Socialist"
Dude obviously didn't socialism hard enough. That lesson is not lost on the Democrats in DC. This time they'll get it right.
Anyone who supports or defends the leadership of any country, even with selective criticism, should be sent to live in that country, to enjoy the claimed benefits, and, perhaps, to make them even better.
Don't give Fiona ideas you madman.
No True Socialist fallacy has existed for a century. Not sure why this is shocking. They continue to do it with Germany prior to WW2 as well.
I guess the more apt headline would be "yet another NYT reporter identified as a commie"
Also, a stooge and/or liar.
"Germany prior to WW2 as well"
National Socialists aren't socialists!
At least not the good kind.
The SRT sockpuppet was trying to pull that yesterday.
Karal Marx wasn't a true marxist
Plus he was an old, white, male. How unsocialist is that?
Karl Marx also mainly wrote something descriptive: socialism is the stage of history after democracies achieve universal suffrage and vote for the supposed interests of the proletariat. That’s clearly what has happened in Venezuela.
This must also be an example of how trustworthy mainstream media reporters are as compared to right wing sites that jeff was talking about yesterday.
If Hugo Chavez was a showcialist, then William Neuman is even moderately intelligent.
A nyt writer is an evil retarded peice of subhuman trash that deserves to be killed?
My shock
Not killed, just sent to a place more aligned with his ideology.
I'd be fine if these commies who also, incidentally, align themselves with companies and corporations that kowtow to China...were sent to live there.
Also, I would like a weekly video feed from them where we get to watch them beg and plead to be allowed to come back to America.
It would be a good PSA
It would be enough to watch them beg and plead to be allowed out to buy food.
In fact, I think the PRIDE and abortion folks who complain about the "Christian fascist Nazi's" should be promptly sent to a Muslim country to live. Being that they are so sensitive to Islamophobia (and regularly elevate Muslims as brave victims), they should have no problem living amongst them. And it would spare them from these evil Christians here that are ruining their life.
If they happen to get thrown off a roof for their lifestyle choices, well, I guess its better than them having to have a Christian not honor their pronouns, or being restricted to ONLY a first trimester abortion
In fact, I think the PRIDE and abortion folks who complain about the "Christian fascist Nazi's" should be promptly sent to a Muslim country to live.
Oh good grief. "Because they're not as oppressed as they would be in Saudi Arabia, they should shut up about their oppression here." Oppression is oppression whether it happens here or in Saudi Arabia. That some oppression is worse than others does not justify or excuse the smaller oppression anywhere.
Besides we would never tolerate the same argument used against us. "All those libertarians complaining about merely being forced to wear a mask during a pandemic should be sent to North Korea so they can learn what REAL oppression is like." So why would it be a valid argument against the people you don't like?
"Oh good grief. "Because they're not as oppressed as they would be in Saudi Arabia, they should shut up about their oppression here.""
The key is not only do actual libertarians abhor the mandates our govt put out, they also decry more authoritarian countries and say we need to stop the overreach here so we dont end up like they are there.
Contrast that with the left. Arguments made by people like Tony on here. The Christian fascists (TM) in America are literally the worst, causing the handmaids tale to happen, enslaving women and committing genocide against LGBT people. I wish this was a parody of their language, but they truly say this stuff. Simultaneously they praise Palestine. They have absolutely nothing to say of Chinas MODERN SLAVERY that is happening as we speak. They will openly bash Christians while upholding Muslims as virtuous a breath later, despite the fact that both women and LGBT folks have significantly worse lives in Muslim countries, not even anywhere close to the freedoms they enjoy under this terrible American tyrannical society
They live in a fantasy world where everything here is the most unfair, the most "fascist", the most bigoted, etc. And thats not a by mistake. The people pushing this stuff need western (specifically American) culture and identity to be THE boogeyman.
Sure, when you put it like that, it sounds ridiculous. The Left thinks that Christian fascists are committing literal genocide against LGBTQ folks here while ignoring or even praising the much worse atrocities happening abroad. Clearly they really just hate America and love authoritarian dictatorships abroad. Clearly they are just using the occasional story of domestic homophobia to gin up fake outrage in order to accomplish their wider goal of imposing domestic left-wing fascism. They don't sincerely care about LGBTQ rights or minority rights generally, after all, if they did, why would they praise Palestine? Why would they say absolutely nothing about the Uighurs in China? I mean, that is the lesson you want us to draw here, right?
The problem with this argument is that it is based on a simplistic caricature of "the Left".
For example, here is an article from Jacobin (are they lefty enough for you) condemning the Chinese oppression of the Uyghurs.
https://jacobin.com/2021/04/uyghur-oppression-ccp-surveillance-reeducation-war-on-terror
Here is another article from Jacobin where they compare the Russia-Ukraine conflict to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
https://jacobin.com/2022/04/palestine-israel-occupation-solidarity-ukraine-russia-al-aqsa-mosque
And before you say "AHA they are praising Palestine!", if you actually read the article, they are standing in solidarity with Palestine because they view Palestine as the victims of aggression by Israel, much like Ukraine is the victim of aggression by Russia. They aren't saying "Everywhere should be like Palestine". They are saying "Palestine would be a better place if it wasn't for Israeli aggression". Maybe the claim is true, maybe it is false, but it is a different claim that "Palestine is great and we totally support Palestinians murdering LGBTQ folks".
But what do I know, I'm just a college kid with "very few sound arguments", right? Isn't that how you attempted to describe me yesterday? Clearly someone with a gigantic intellect such as yourself would understand the fallacy of arguing against a strawman, right?
"For example, here is an article from Jacobin (are they lefty enough for you) condemning the Chinese oppression of the Uyghurs."
Well there is a daily, non-stop screaming about slavery in this country. You know, a country where a huge amount of people died in a war that ended slavery. There are no shortage of daily articles about how terrible we are, and how racist we are, and how we bear the eternal sin of slavery here. The peep from Jacobin hardly stands up to the drumbeat from all of the left about slavery that was ended generations ago.
Do you think we should hear an almost infinitesimally small amount about a current human rights atrocity involving slavery that we seem to be cool with right this minute, or a million times more volume about an atrocity that happened generations ago that we actively stopped doing because it was wrong?
A quick search on Jacobin gets you about 500 articles regarding slavery and 12 regarding uyghurs. It seems like they, the left, have a hyperfocus on how bad and terrible America is with barely a mention of a current atrocity, slavery, that the most of the left refuses to mention because their financial interests outweigh them actually giving a shit about slavery. They would have made good plantation owners.
The thing is, its only a strawman if I am actually arguing against a caricature of the left. Based on the distribution of articles on Jacobin, it seems like you helped me make my point.
Well, JimboJr, you are shifting the goalposts. First you started in with a strawman about "The Left thinks Christian fascists are committing genocide against LGBTQ people in America". Now, you have a strawman of "The Left is totally obsessed with American slavery to the exclusion of every other problem". Are you even going to try to stay on one topic?
You wrote: "Simultaneously they praise Palestine." I demonstrated this to be not true.
You wrote: "They have absolutely nothing to say of Chinas MODERN SLAVERY that is happening as we speak." I also demonstrated this to be not true.
Finally you wrote: "Simultaneously they praise Palestine." I further demonstrated this to be not true.
So, will you admit that you were wrong in your caricature above?
And just counting articles after doing a quick web search is a very stupid way to judge an institution's priorities. Jacobin Magazine, like Fox News or Reason or any other domestic media outlet, is going to cover more extensively issues of domestic concern over those of international concern, because they serve a primarily domestic audience. How many times were the Uyghurs mentioned at Fox News over the past several years, compared to their other topics? Just did a quick Google search:
"site:foxnews.com slavery" yields 9,340 results
"site:foxnews.com uighur or uyghur" yields 268 results
Wow I guess that means Fox News is really obsessed about hating America over slavery that ended so many years ago and they don't care about the Uyghurs etc. etc. Why is there "daily non-stop screaming" coming from Fox News about slavery? Why does Fox News hate America? Hmm?
You are using a bullshit standard to rationalize your strawman, rather than examine the evidence in front of you.
Slavery didn't end after the Civil War.
Explain the 13th and 14th Amendments, then.
Even more than they uphold Muslims, they absolutely adore indigenous peoples, in the US and elsewhere. Now if you really want to see some hyper-conservative, theocratic patriarchies, check out tribal customs and laws.
They’re not being oppressed here though. Not in any real sense in 20fucking22.
^this.
They are nothing short of celebrated on every channel, by every corporation, all through hollywood, and the govt has the pride flag up at its embassies now.
What they are is a bunch of activists who cant be satisfied even with the current state where they are openly celebrated by most, and at a minimum tolerated by just about everyone. No, its never enough. We have to pretend the current state of affairs puts them in "constant danger!" and they are living under threat of violence every day! Gimme a break
They are nothing short of celebrated on every channel, by every corporation, all through hollywood, and the govt has the pride flag up at its embassies now.
But you complain about this, all the time. Isn't this evidence of "woke virtue signaling"? Isn't this evidence of dangerous capture of corporate America by woke activists?
So when a corporation waves the pride flag, which is it? A proud testament to how non-oppressive the US is compared to its harshest critics? Or a disturbing descent into wokeism that ought to be resisted? You can't really have it both ways.
You can't really have it both ways.
Stupidly wrong and indicative of why left wingers are incapable of reason. In their world you cannot oppose favoritism while also noting favoritism exists. Absurd, but defending the left's program requires absurdity because their beliefs are so obviously wrong.
LGBT rights are liberal values, not left wing
Not quite, liberals have demanded special privileges that come at the cost of others.
Lol. Classic Jeffy.
And if progressives condescended to use logic, the might have to give up the fundamental lie about "institutional" oppression. Given that wokeness dominates academia, K-12 education, media, Hollywood, government, and, increasingly, corporations and the military, what institutions are left to spew racism and sexism? A few bakers and red neck bars?
They’re not being oppressed here though. Not in any real sense in 20fucking22.
"So what if the state forces people to wear masks during a pandemic. It is a trivial inconvenience. It isn't REAL oppression!"
Do you really want to get into an argument about what constitutes "REAL" oppression?
Oppression exists here, and elsewhere, and trying to compare relative levels of oppression only serves to minimize or discount the very real problems that oppressed people here do face.
Besides, the US ought to hold itself to higher standards than those held by theocrats or dictators in foreign countries. We can always be better.
I know that was your position for the last two years Jeff, and as pointed out multiple times: Yes, the state FORCING you to do something is real oppression.
I’m gonna need a cite on how the government is oppressing LGB people and women.
By not funding rainbow parades every day?
First, not all oppression occurs at the hands of the state.
Second, even still, it still happens. One only needs to look at how adoptions and foster care are treated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption_in_the_United_States
In many places, a heterosexual couple wishing to adopt a child, or serve as foster parents, have far fewer hurdles than a same-sex couple. And there is no valid empirical reason for this discrimination.
Hey, I’ll give you that, there is no reason the state should be determining who can and can’t adopt and should be 100% left up to the adoption agency.
except for the evidence showing that having a mother & father in the home is the best thing for children.
The evidence shows having two loving parents is all that’s needed.
But it’s not the governments job to social engineer best outcomes, even if that wasn’t the case.
Here’s Jeffy making the argument that lgbt had more mandates than everyone else, and he’s too stupid to realize it.
Not a blind leftist guys.
"Because they're not as oppressed as they would be in Saudi Arabia, they should shut up about their oppression here."
This is a stupid summary of their position, which is better restated as "if they lived with or understood real oppression they'd be embarrassed by their larping as victims." But an honest summary wouldn't give jeffy the emotional thrill of pretending to stand against the hoards of darkness. You'll find that most people on the left never came to terms with modern life and invent life and death struggles to justify their self-image as heroes.
Anyone who uses the term Christo-fascist in an American context is an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about either Christians or fascists.
No no, thinking women shouldn’t be able to abort their fetuses (feti?) all the way up to the little crotch goblin crowning can only be arrived at because of a deep Christian faith.
It’s not like reasonable people can argue it’s a violation of the NAP without one shred of religiosity.
They don't think straight because they're not trying to reason to a conclusion. Instead they assert the most demonizing principle they can devise.
For example the claim it's men trying to control women. This is often wrong because the most fervent anti-abortion people are women. But mostly think abut what their assertion means: at any point a woman can abort even if the woman is in labor. They will counter that no one wants this, but that is irrelevant (and brings in its own failed principle as well). They're trying to claim they accept late term restrictions, but why isn't that also men trying to control women? The answer is that it is, but they drop the hateful language because they're applying it to everyone.
Further their assertion that there's a difference because "no one wants that" reveals the principle that they will support it as soon as someone does want it.
The result is that an argument about when is too early vs too late where reasonable people disagree becomes a life and death hate fest. This is what they want because they have the loudest megaphones via their institutional and media control.
The lies, demonizing, and inability think straight demonstrate they are despicable people. It's not their position on abortion, but rather how they engage politics.
Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes before deciding to judge if anyone is truly oppressed, or just "larping as victims"
Now there’s a convincing point.
That’s an impractical and ridiculous standard. Especially coming from you. At least some of us have actually travelled the world seen some of this first hand.
You wouldn’t want to walk a mile as Jeffy’s shoes. They take a pounding.
The gulag? The concentration camp in China after the US demands that, and follows through on, China free the Uyghurs? The most dangerous intersection in Minneapolis, with no phone, no shoes, and a few hundred dollars stapled to his back?
As Biden debates loan forgiveness universities debate raising tuition again.
https://campusreform.org/article?id=19644
Study shows much of the tuition increase going to funding required CRT indoctrination sold as student services.
https://campusreform.org/article?id=19633
Hey, expanding university DIE staff allows for more comprehensive indoctrination (and policing), and also hires more graduates of grievance studies departments. Win-win!
I mean why the fuck not right? Govt will now not only guarantee you can take out exorbitant amounts of loans for a college gender studies degree that will never be able to pay for itself, and then push to pay them back for you. In what scenario is the college not going to say "oh ill have some more of that unlimited money, please and thank you"
Whats funny is they went after Corinthian College to sue them over false advertising and closed them down. Buden just forgave all those student loans to the tunes of billions.
Many of these colleges also make false claims of what their degrees are worth, especially under the humanities colleges.
One of the primary reasons colleges cost so much is that universities have to hire their own humanities doctorates to keep the game alive. Then they force even engineering grads to take lower level humanities bullshit to graduate. But they keep growing it.
At my Alma mater they actually, most likely illegally, directed research 1 grant money from engineering colleges to the humanities College. Humanities colleges has smaller teacher to student ratios in the 300s and 400s since they had hired so many professors. Using grant money obtained from engineering and science.
Humanities departments, and progressive colleges in general, like all left-leaning political parties and institutions, promise socialist utopia. How dare you ask them to demonstrate the cost-benefit of actual outcomes?
Perhaps the equivalent would be physics and engineering departments promising to teach perpetual motion and negative entropy technology, and the struggles of their graduates to find employment (at least in the private sector).
Many of these colleges also make false claims of what their degrees are worth, especially under the humanities colleges.
Cite?
Have you not seen state schools boast about how great their degrees are? Every college does this and exaggerates how much alumni go on to earn.
Gauzy marketing campaigns about how great State U. is, are different than demonstrably false claims about the value of a particular degree.
It was the same thing corinthian was accused of retard.
Cite?
http://www.google.com
Fuck off sea lion. You've been more idiotic than usual this weekend.
Look up the NYU graduate program in film making.
I bet if you ask him about this in a week or two he’ll act like he never heard anything about it.
What about it? Do you have specific evidence that this school made false claims about the marketability of their degrees?
One of the primary reasons colleges cost so much is that universities have to hire their own humanities doctorates to keep the game alive. Then they force even engineering grads to take lower level humanities bullshit to graduate. But they keep growing it.
By the way Jesse. There is this concept called a liberal education, which has been around for a very long time now. It's the idea that a properly educated person should be knowledgeable in areas other than one narrow field of study corresponding to the person's major. And in this country a Bachelor's degree generally signifies that a person has received a liberal education. If a person doesn't want to take "lower level humanities bullshit", they don't have to - but then that person isn't working towards a Bachelor's degree, but some other certification, like a technical certification.
“If a person doesn't want to take "lower level humanities bullshit", they don't have to”
They do have to though. That’s the point. Are you even reading what you’re responding to, or just barking out your sea lion canned responses?
He's not wrong. You can avoid the humanities bullshit by working towards something other than a Bachelor's degree. Are you even reading what you’re responding to, or just barking out your sea lion canned responses?
He is wrong. Every major university degree requires some fork of humanities classes. I know your IT 2 year cert from some off shoot of ITT doesn't require it, but we are talking about universities here dumbass.
Hey retard, he said if you want to avoid humanities, get something other than a degree. So he's agreeing that you humanities are required for a degree. You're compelled to disagree with people even when they agree with you. Pathetic.
Oh, and this is another example of you making stuff up like the piece of shit liar that you are. You don't know my education.
If you want to change the subject, then no, you don’t need any humanities classes.
You also don’t need any humanities classes to work at a gas station.
Nothing you've said disputes what I said.
The college of victim studies are actually causing harm in this country and should be shunned liberal fuck.
Seriously, we are on the edge of losing our STEM intellectual and academic capacity. More science fields are bowing to woke SJWs, from within their own ranks and from university administration. Actual scientists are now being told--NOT MAKING THIS UP--that "science" has to embrace other forms of developing knowledge, mostly ones that do not use data, logic, objectivity, etc.
The few more concerning things I have seen regarding STEM:
1. exactly as you said - "science" has to embrace other forms of developing knowledge, mostly ones that do not use data, logic, objectivity" - and this point is almost entirely because inner city kids arent doing well in it so we have to find some "other" way we can not fail them because after all that would result in disparate outcomes
2. STEM courses being badgered into not having kids show work (white supremacy) or getting the right answer (white supremacy) - these two things are absolutely foundational in STEM.
3. STEM professors at the college level and above being told they have to morph their courses in demonstrable ways, showing that they are diversity-equity-inclusion approved.
What this tripe results in is kids who spend more time learning touchie feelie propaganda over actual science, excusing kids who cant hack it and passing them on to higher level material they will certainly not be ready for, and the next generation of graduates being woefully unprepared relative to other countries (especially Asian countries who are doing things basically 180 from the DEI approach)
Are you accusing The American Anthropology Association of discriminating against Republicans?
i went back to my alma mater ( state university college of engineering) as a judge of senior projects to help with the grading. I evaluated presentations from the students. One question was How does this pertain to social justice issues. I refused to answer this and gave them all zeros. I noted on each one that I would not answer this crap question. When I turned my work in they mentioned that I was not done and when I explained why they pretty much shushed me away and as far as I can tell they tossed all my answers. My point is that they are devaluing my degree.
So are you referring to "the college of victim studies", or are you referring to "lower level humanities bullshit"?
If you want a Bachelor's degree, that curriculum includes classes to deliver a well-rounded education. Because the purpose of a Bachelor's degree is not merely job training, but a liberal education.
If you don't want the "lower level humanities bullshit" then don't pursue a Bachelor's degree. It's that simple. Get a different type of certification in the field that you want.
Colleges are not just job training centers, and aren't supposed to be.
That was the purpose of a bachelors degree 100 years ago (a well rounded education). That has not been the purpose of a bachelors degree for the last 20 (if not 30-40) years.
It has absolutely been used as jobs training and a work around for companies to weed out people in their hiring practices. Worse still, it has been used by the entrenched establishment to stifle competition from younger and hungrier new recruits through state mandated (read force) education requirements for occupational licensing.
Honestly, I see the value in learning about 15th century poetry or whatever, but it shouldn’t be required to get a Bachelors of Science in, well anything. Because at the end of the day, I don’t care if that engineer who designed the bridge I drive on every day was able to understand the intricacies and historical causes of the Spanish-American War, I care if they have a firm grasp on the physics of how a suspension bridge works and how deep does the piling need to be when you’re building in the flood way of a river that has 30’ deep sand embedments and another 20’ of black gumbo clay before you hit bedrock.
No, that is the purpose of a Bachelor's degree now, not just 100 years ago - a liberal education. Universities cannot control how others choose to use a Bachelor's degree.
If you want to argue that pursuit of a Bachelor's degree should not be marketed as a jobs training program, then I agree.
If you want to argue that a Bachelor's degree alone should not be used as a proxy for technical knowledge only, then I agree. It's the content knowledge within the program of study, not the overall degree, that matters most.
Die today, groomer
One of the primary reasons colleges cost so much is that universities have to hire their own humanities doctorates to keep the game alive.
This is why these institutions welcome Title IX and DEI. First women's studies and then the other grievance studies majors need jobs. If jobs can't be produced those majors will dry up and place the faculty at risk.
At my Alma mater they actually...
Purdue avoids tuition hike for 11th straight year.
An 11th consecutive year of tuition unchanged at 2012-13 levels; base undergraduate tuition would remain at $9,992 per year for Indiana residents and $28,794 for out-of-state students through 2023-24. Per state statute, Purdue trustees will approve the extended tuition freeze officially in spring 2023.
That’s pretty impressive actually.
Good for them.
So a bunch of criminal parasites are criminally diverting money from legitimate research to prop up grievance studies? Figures.
Good intentions produce good results. Socialists have good intentions. They want everyone to have free school, free housing, free medical care, and so on and so forth.
But when all this central planning goes wrong, it can't be the fault of the socialists. They're trying to create utopia. They have good intentions.
So it must be the fault of someone else. The rich. The capitalists. Foreign meddlers.
It couldn't be something inherently wrong with socialism. That's unpossible.
As a result these people are honestly confused as to why their schemes don't work. They have good intentions. It can't be their fault.
I get your point, but most of those caring people have far-from-good intentions when they consider people who disagree with their communal utopian vision. Show me a typical socialist do-gooder, and I'll show you a vicious ideological killer.
"far-from-good intentions when they consider people who disagree with their communal utopian vision"
And we frankly have accumulated enough evidence that this is the logical endpoint, that anyone openly pushing for full on socialism or even communism (it is literally making a comeback among the German philosophy programs today...surprise surprise) must be considered an enemy. Whether its due to ignorance or its fully intended, the price for suffering these fools is far too high.
From their point of view inequality is evidence that capitalism doesn't work. Vast accumulations of wealth are proof that capitalism oppresses the poor. If you support capitalism then you support robbing the poor to give to the rich. You're an apologist for the rich. You lick the capitalist boot that is on your neck.
You certainly aren't going to convince them of anything different by calling them the enemy and dehumanizing them.
Yes, but we actually have facts and empirical evidence on our side (the pro capitalism people).
Then use that instead of declaring them to be your enemy. Once you declare someone to be your enemy then every conversation is a conflict instead of an attempt at persuasion.
It’s been used as long as I have been posting here. Posters spend plenty of time refuting in great detail people like Tony and shrike and Joe Friday with facts and logic.
But, to put it frankly, they ARE the enemy of freedom and liberty.
They don't think so. That's the thing. So if you start off by calling them the enemy you'll never get anywhere.
Always defending what few people you think still like you lol.
Exactly. They show up explaining how stupid everyone is, and it never persuades anyone.
I understand that Totalitarians and Authoritarians think they’re shit doesn’t stink, but they are emphatically and empirically wrong. Especially when it comes to the tenants of socialism, whether of the National or International variety.
Why should we try to “get anywhere” with people who are diametrically opposed to individualism and liberty? And I’m not trying to be snarky here, I’m genuinely curious if you have any thoughts in regards to this.
Why should we try to “get anywhere” with people who are diametrically opposed to individualism and liberty?
But they are not, in their own mind. That is part of the point here.
A socialist might argue that socialism promotes individualism, because a socialist system that removes the burdens of individuals to have to work a crap job that they hate just to pay for basic living necessities, frees up that individual to pursue meaningful work that reflects that individual's true passions.
Is this argument wrong? Probably, but the point is, they don't view themselves as "totalitarians and authoritarians who want to control everything". They view themselves as being just as virtuous as we view ourselves. Calling them a bunch of evil monsters does no good, just like them calling us a bunch of evil monsters does no good.
Collectivistjeff doesn't view itself as an evil totalitarian clump of cancer, but we can all see from his behavior that it is indeed an evil totalitarian clump of cancer.
Perhaps that is why step 1 in embracing post-modern wokeness is claiming that objective truth, i.e. facts and empirical evidence, does not exist.
Yeah. When everything is relative then there is no right or wrong.
You certainly aren't going to convince them of anything different by calling them the enemy and dehumanizing them.
This is of course in great contrast to sarcasmic, who tries to convince people by claiming he fucked their mothers. Maybe someday sarc will live by a single standard he applies to his enemies, but I doubt it.
Gee I don't know, I think there's a qualitative difference between "Hey Marshal, I fucked your mom last night" and "Hey Marshal, you're a subhuman piece of filth who doesn't deserve to exist". Just sayin'.
Then a lot of people must have fucked your mother, because to most people there’s not much difference between those to insults.
It's revealing how you phrase this, that "there's a qualitative difference". The true test is whether his comment passes the standard he judges others by. You rephrase that specifically to obscure that failure. Leftists aren't interested in reason, they attack and protect solely based on power politics.
Of course to you and the other leftists the only difference necessary is that one came from your in-group and thus should be defended while the other (if it even exists) did not.
I doubt Marshal gets invited to many parties.
Definitely doesn't get invited to split a 500k air bnb with 10 friends like you.
Keep making stuff up and proving my point about you. You're on a roll!
You didn’t make that claim? Next you’re going to tell us you’ve always known about Cuban sandwiches.
I mentioned something about an 80% lower party true. But literally everything in his comment is made up. It must be because it's not true. My guess is that he's trolling and hoping I'll clarify over his made up bullshit, but I'm not falling for the bait. As I said, he lies, makes shit up, puts words in peoples' mouths, and is a general piece of shit. That comment is a perfect example.
Are you honestly saying you didnt crow about a typical air bnb rental? LOL.
This is why everyone calls you a committed liar. You can't help yourself.
Must have been shitfaced when you posted it since you seem to have forgotten.
It's a troll party!
are you referencing Sarc bragging about spending a weekend with ‘cool dudes’ at a ‘half million dollar lakehouse’?
On a lake. Don’t forget it was on a lake.
Wrong again.
The ‘half million dollar lake house’ with ‘cool dudes’.
500k?
So... 3 br, 2 bath?
Must've been crowded.
I doubt Marshal gets invited to many parties.
Ideas!
Show me a typical socialist do-gooder, and I'll show you a vicious ideological killer.
How different is that from the host of conservatives on this board who consistently wish death upon anyone who disagrees with them?
First, Mass graves =\= comments on an internet site.
Second: “the host” and “consistently” are weasel words sarc.
They are exactly the same bigot.
Supporting socialism equals knowingly and willingly supporting mass graves. Right?
When the majority of socialist experiments at the country level fail and end in death. Yes.
But keep claiming you're not a leftist as you try to defend socialism.
Just because you are incapable if seeing things from another point of view without agreeing with that point of view doesn't mean that everyone else is similarly retarded.
It’s fun watching you defend socialists.
Supporting it at a national level? After 100 years of other nations “trying” it? Yeah, kinda.
Hey, learn to do victim culture. Mean words are exactly the same as being marched into a pit with hundreds of others and shot.
That’s different. Conservatives are the victims, fighting back against overwhelming odds.
Read R Mac's reply above.
sarcasmic
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I wish he's talk his shit to someone's face. He wouldn't be commenting for a while because he'd be in the hospital.
sarcasmic
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I was going to add something about people who might be splattered by the mess, but nobody cares about your alone ass. Shit. Nobody will know you're missed until they shut the power off and things start to smell.
Ideas!
That's because you're a liar and a general piece of shit that takes people words and twists them around, sticks words in peoples mouths, lies about what people say, attacks what people don't say by making up strawmen, and generally talks shit about people all day long.
I'm talking about people who wish death to others simply because of politics.
How did I twist your statements there sweetie?
Maybe don't be a hypocrite.
They were a non sequitur, a red herring. My contempt for you is not over politics. It's because of your behavior.
No they weren't. Stop twisting my intentions hypocrite. They are to prove you are a hypocrite. Which they do. Youre a hypocrite. Lol.
Even if I am (which I'm not because I don't wish people death over politics) it wouldn't make me wrong.
Calling someone a hypocrite is a textbook ad hominem.
"He's wrong because he's a hypocrite! Ignore what he says! It doesn't matter because he's a hypocrite!"
Just like a leftist, you can only win arguments by fellating fallacies.
“Calling someone a hypocrite is a textbook ad hominem.”
Not if their statements frequently contradict each other. Which yours do. So calling out your hypocrisy is appropriate.
Don’t want to be called a hypocrite? Stop being a hypocrite.
You really can't help trolling these days, especially in defense of the left lol. Someone criticizes socialism and you jump in to deflect. Lol.
That's exactly what I mean.
Agreed. You deflected a criticism of socialism by pointing to capitalists. That is what you did. Thank you for agreeing.
Keep twisting what people say and putting words in their mouths. It's what you do best.
Anyone? No. Just Marxists.
That’s true of many ideologies, of all stripes, who think they are victimized defenders of the moral high ground. Nothing unique to socialist ideologies.
other than the fact that millions of people end up in mass graves when they get their way. That's not true of many ideologies who have this same thoughts about themselves.
When the end result is a shittier society, and the only way to enforce said shitty society is to execute any dissenters, the only end result is a very bad state of affairs for the citizens (at best) or death.
when capitalism runs amok we have the crimes against humanity known as ...gasp...billionaires on yachts.
To be fair, when crony capitalism runs amok it does lead to some horrendous shit. It’s just that crony capitalism is more appropriately called fascism and requires the government giving cover to their allies in business.
From the socialist point of view it's all crony capitalism.
Forgive me if I don’t take them seriously when they don’t even acknowledge the realities of the system that they advocate for. At least most free-market/capitalist people will acknowledge that the system doesn’t always work for everyone.
I didn’t think it was possible to try and both sides with socialism, but damn if you aren’t just the disingenuous fuck to attempt it.
She’s not a lefty though.
But only one of those ideologies is currently distorting one major US political party and thus laws and policies. And that same ideology dominates many components of American society. So right now, I care mostly about US socialists.
I suppose so. The Republicans don’t have an idealogy anymore. They are letting themselves be distorted by cult of personality, and cowardice.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Your lack of self awareness is breathtaking
“I’ll show you a vicious ideological killer”, who is so vicious because they think they are fighting the good fight against the bad guys.
Only one ideology produced 2 billion in damages, 30 or so deaths, and hundreds of assaults recently.
And anyone who disagrees with you politically praises all that damage and death. Isn't that right?
Cite?
I love how you claim actual cut paste arguments of yours are twisted and then freely make shit up when you want.
Was your IT certification actually in hypocrisy?
That right there is an example of my above comment. Thank you for proving my point.
No it isnt. Again it is calling out your hypocrisy. Stop twisting words buddy. It makes you look like a hypocrite.
It's a perfect example. I was talking about wishing people to die over politics. So you post me wishing you'd behave the way you behave here to someone's face in hopes that they'd smash it. That has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with you being a piece of shit liar. And then you make shit up about my education.
You deflect and make shit up, and then accuse me of deflecting and making shit up.
Pathetic.
You ARE twisting things around.
It's what you were accusing me all summer long.
Cite?
I'm not a pathetic internet troll who catalogs what other people say. Sorry. That's your job.
So…… you have no cite?
Also Marxism and socialism is a push for constant revolutions until utopia happens
The cycle is this
1: break down current society
2: create revolutionaries
3: have violent revolution
4: purge those who are left
5: replete steps 1 through 4 until step 6
6: something
7: utopia
The socialists really are missing that slightly important step 6
Given that hundreds of groups (and billions of people) have failed to complete step 6, perhaps no mortal human can achieve step 7.
Meanwhile, as a soulless capitalist, I’ll gladly take inexpensive options for school, housing, and healthcare over free, every time.
No you wouldn't. That's not what everyone says about you. You must be lying.
Good point.
Admitting that you're lying? Glad to know you've started your repentance.
Hold on to your last 3 leftist friends. Hold them tight. Never let them go.
Hold onto your 3 conservative troll friends. Hold them tight. Never let them go.
There’s lots of us. We don’t fight amongst ourselves normally because we’re reasonable people. You could always try putting down the bottle and being honest, even when you get angry.
Why do we keep presuming that they have good intentions?
Why would people willingly support a system that they know will result in poverty and death?
Sure it's easy to think anyone who disagrees with you has bad intentions or is stupid. But that's a cop out. It's an easy way to avoid actually looking from their point of view. And you're never going to convince someone of another point of view when all you argue against is a caricature.
Good intentions doesn't replace bad execution. Benevolent authoritarianism is even bad even though done under good intentions.
Weren't you just fucking agreeing with this above?
Oh, someone you despise said something sp you have to attack it now.
Good intentions doesn't replace bad execution. Benevolent authoritarianism is even bad even though done under good intentions.
Yep. Socialism will always fail because good intentions don't equal good results.
Weren't you just fucking agreeing with this above?
Yep.
Oh, someone you despise said something sp you have to attack it now.
Project much?
“ Why would people willingly support a system that they know will result in poverty and death?”
Because they assume someone else will be on the receiving end.
Lots of these “revolutionary socialist” cultures are founded on the ideas of rounding up, imprisoning, and executing people of the wrong class. And they love the sound of it.
Ans when everything turns out broken and dis functional, they don’t even have an idea why.
From their point of view, you have bad intentions. You're an apologist for the rich. You support inequality. You don't believe in the labor theory of value. You know, where the workers should get all the profits from their labor, not the capitalists who built the factories and machines. You're just plain evil because you hate the poor and love the rich, even though you'll never be rich. You're fucking stupid living in a dream world where the rich let stuff trickle down to the poor when it's really the other way around and the rich get rich off the backs of the poor.
Why should they presume you have good intentions?
Who gives a fuck about any intentions besides leftist idiots? Government isn't benevlone tor malicious. It is authoritarian in nature. It's actions matter. That's it.
When you assume people have bad intentions then they're going to be on the defensive, and you'll never convince them that they're wrong. That's my point.
Who gives a fuck about that?
Politics is a bloodsport.
You really can’t say what their point of view is with any factual basis.
I don't care what they think of me or my intentions, actions are what matter.
Is Neuman the spawn of Walter Duranty? Does the NY Times ever employ a writer that isn't an apologist for Marxism/Socialism/Communism?
The fall from grace for the NYT is an epic one.
To go from the "paper of record" that the common person associated with reputable news, to an overtly partisan, America hating, socialist apologizing disaster that is hardly distinguishable from a liberal hack opinion blog.
Was it ever really the paper of record or did it just call itself that?
The point of being an elite is the authority to judge oneself as elite.
Yeah. Journalists award themselves The Pulitzer FFS. It's like social media companies awarding each other The Zuckerberg Prize for exceptional work in objective journalism and social education.
See, the thing is, the "fall from grace" in question isn't because the NYT got any worse. It's because the filter bubble protecting its reputation collapsed. Whether you're looking at the paper that published Walter Duranty's fiction about the Soviet Union in the 1930s, the paper that propagandized for the Kennedy administration in the 1960s, the paper that published Andrew Rosenthal's fiction about Bush being amazed at a supermarket scanner in the 1990s, or the paper that publishes today, the NYT has always deserved the same reputation.
It wasn't even Duranty's fiction. That depraved degenerate was just printing what the Soviet propaganda bureaucrats told him to say.
-jcr
Same as today, the Soviets are just domestic now
There was also Jayson Blair. Two years of plagiarism when he wasn't just making up stories, and the NYT editors and "fact checkers" never suspected until various internet posters had flagged many problems with his work.
it was never good. the nyt covered for the holocaust & stalin.
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1533430604389396481?t=8diHSUTfSz-v-SuqoWANyA&s=19
Sunday shows will be flooded with coverage of Thursday’s prime time January 6 committee hearing.
Will GOP leaders and influencers use this opportunity to finally confront Dems, Cheney/Kinzinger, and the media about the lies and coverups surrounding that day?
Americans don’t…
need to hear “but baby formula and gas prices!” They’re smart enough to see Dems lopsided priorities.
GOP can’t pull any punches. This is easy:
•Demand release of surveillance video from January 6. Ask why January 5 video was purged.
•Demand all records from Pelosi…
Capitol police, Bowser to shed light on why they left Capitol intentionally unprotected.
•Demand release of FBI records related to undercover agents and informants involved before and during Jan 6. (This isn’t a “conspiracy theory,” GOP. Be not afraid.)
•Ask for all reports…
of police misconduct, excessive force including Michael Byrd. Force committee to admit it didn’t investigate use of munitions against crowd or why cops allowed people into the building.
•FINALLY talk about the political prisoners and harsh sentences for petty offenses.
More…
than 800 Americans have been charged by Biden’s DOJ for protesting Biden’s election. This is flagrant political persecution. Don’t make this about you, Congressional Republicans—this is about your voters who are STILL being rounded up and destroyed by this DOJ.
Pull no punches.
The odds say that the Republicans are going to bend over a little further and spread their cheeks a little wider.
The fact that the FBI/DoJ arrested Navarro as he was about to board a plane to make it the most public spectacle they could is very telling. The second fact they took him to jail and applied leg shackles is also very telling.
They generally handle these crimes with a call to the individuals lawyer and arrange a time to turn himself in. Remember, this is a contempt charge. And a legally and constitutionally questionable one based on the make up and structure and actions of J6. Congress is not a police body but they are acting as one as the use legislative subpoenas to generate police arrests with referrals. It also violates the House rules on the structure of committees.
I'm sure reason will be able to dedicate a sentence on Monday to this abuse and show arrest.
I think inflation is a much greater priority than your low IQ theories
Well, Jim (and all your 'editor' buddies), it turns out that socialists lie.
Wild
https://twitter.com/notblaccbrry/status/1532803935538380804?t=WiB0Q-h9lsCjTGqEyGhEKA&s=19
If a tornado doesn't appear to be moving to the left or right of you and it's getting bigger, that means it's coming TOWARDS you... But thanks for the footage
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The country that the Democrats admire and want to emulate. The situation that Reason largely ignores.
The Uyghurs in China now live in a giant, open air prison camp
“The party apparatchik leading the meeting shouted out to the assembled Uyghurs, “Is there a God?”
The shocked crowd paused, before answering, “No.” They had to—members of the neighborhood watch were scrutinizing their reactions as they stood around the flagpole. Terrified, Zumrat moved her lips, but didn’t actually speak the words denouncing her faith that first time.
“Who is your new god?” the meeting leader called.
“Xi Jinping,” the crowd dutifully chanted back.
If only you deplorables would say "Chou Bai-den".
Lefties: "Republicans want to literally enslave women by having even reasonable restrictions on abortion"
Lefties regarding continued real slavery which is happening in both China and Africa, as we speak...*crickets*
Im starting to think they don't have a good grasp on what words actually mean...
Reason Editors - "BOTH SIDES!!!!"
we should terminate all trade with china immediately
Massie: "The country needs [drafted soldiers] whose brains are not fully formed?"
Nadler: "In certain respects, yes."
Jerry Nadler on why we should not allow 18 year olds to own guns for their own purposes, but the government can require them to be armed and put in harm's way for the government's purposes.
I also love how, Nadler, when attempting to respond to Massie's off the cuff proposal to raise the draft age to 21, responds by appealing to the Selective Service's authority rather than answering the question.
You are a member of Congress, Nadler. Your branch of government makes the rules the Selective Service has to follow.
Nadler: "In certain respects, yes."
He's not entirely wrong here - part of the point of basic training is to break down the individual's will and to make that person more obedient to the orders of the commanding officer.
Of course you would defend the cognitive dissonance.
He defends all democrats. See him claiming biden doesn't actually want to ban guns despite his past quotes yesterday lol.
A tale of two videos. Remember, when the Democrats all start saying this you need to believe them.
Democrat Rep. David Cicilline: “spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights”
Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-NY): "You will not stop us from passing [gun control]. If the filibuster obstructs us, we will abolish it. If the Supreme Court objects, we will expand. We will not rest until we've taken weapons of war out of our communities."
They're not just talking big.
The Democrats really hate civil rights these days.
Come on, man, freedom of speech and assembly, free markets, property ownership, etc. are NOT civil rights.
Those were taken out of context and they didn’t say they wanted to ban bullets.
...didn't say they wanted to ban handgun bullets.
But Republicans are bad on the budget too!
The problem with these Marxist clowns is how their “we can perfect man” ideology leapfrogs from dictatorship of the people to enemy of the people.
Somebody like Mao or Stalin or Castro or Chavez invariably shows up, and the whole place turns into a totalitarian shithole. The blindness induced by the ideology, coupled with a statist power freak and boom! There goes the neighborhood.
Hmm, you make delusion Marxists sound like delusional battered women who bounce from wife-beater to wife-beater, always hoping for a better outcome.
Decent analogue. Identical twins born of a different mother. Both parties foolishly sacrifice individual primacy; the commie ideologue to the state, the beaten wife ( syndrome-victim) to her abuser.
They do so from an illusion that some pot of gold will follow from their surrender. Inevitably, the respective ( and imagined) guardian turns out to be a monster.
Cause we ain’t angels.
But "liberals" are convinced they're so enlightened! Oh, to be China for a day!
At this point, anyone surprised that a New York Times reporter (former or not) is claiming that another marxist disaster "wasn't true socialism" is in complete denial that the NYT is nothing more than a mouthpiece for marxists.
Yep. What once had a prima facie case to be the “ Paper of Record,” the NYTimes has morphed into the Pravda of the Progs.
I have bad news. When it was "the paper of record", it was a Marxist mouthpiece.
Maybe. Still, I’ll give the NYT credit for its erstwhile defense of the 1A; I.e., speech/press. (I’m thinking of its publishing the Pentagon Papers, mainly.)
Lose that, and we are all fucked.
The Top 10 Creepiest & Most Dystopian Things Pushed By The World Economic Forum
The next president should revoke the passports and seize the assets of every American that attends the wef. They are literal traitors
I have a prime minister that is flat out ignoring democratic norms, the Canadian constitution and the will of the people in order to enact WEF diktats.
"They failed because they did Socialism wrong, but this time we'll get Socialism right."
Lather, rinse, repeat.
You left out rioting mobs, imposed famines, and mass graves.
A succinct description of South American politics.
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1533496277761130497?t=2ZJnpE3UfncpcFpGpYBK-g&s=19
These parents are being praised for entering their sons into drag competitions for cash prizes.
The NYC “drag kid” competition scene is beyond gross.
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The book claims he was merely continuing longstanding Venezuelan policies but painting them "a different color."
This proves something because it's impossible there were any other Venezuelan Socialists.
This argument reminds me of comedian John Oliver's 2018 claim that Venezuela's collapse is best understood as a case of "epic mismanagement," not socialism.
Why do left wingers always defend socialism even when the claim to not be socialists? It seems much more likely they are but know they need to pretend not to be.
Apparently left wingers cannot understand that picking people for political reliability rather than for competence ensures any organization will be mismanaged. Further leftists desire this because while excellence is hard and rare while political reliability is easy. Since excellent people focus on excellence the mediocre can rise above their ability.
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1533490002843340802?t=n1VkYC2kc8CX0fKEGLgRrg&s=19
Life in California is now about 50% worse than during a zombie apocalypse
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“One classic definition of socialism is government control of the means of production.”
No it isn’t. That is the straw-man definition as that definition also encompasses state-capitalism, fascism, and countless other non-socialist politico-economic systems.
Socialism can be defined as “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Therefore, government control of the means of production is only socialism if the government is legitimately controlled by the people.
Authoritarian regimes can call themselves socialist just as North Korea can call itself a democratic-republic; that doesn’t mean they are correct.
Perhaps if everyone who has ever attempted something has fallen into the same problems it can be considered an inherent problem with that thing. "Real socialism/communism has never been tried" every college socialist will tell you. If only everyone would listen to them and do exactly as they say, it would work perfectly. The Russians, the Chinese, the Venezuelans, the Vietnamese, the North Koreans, etc and so on... all those millions of people were just dumb, but if a smart person came along it would just work, right?
It never occurs to them that perhaps it is the very concentration of power and the ignorance and hubris Top Men that causes all that misery.
"Socialism can be defined as “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Therefore, government control of the means of production is only socialism if the government is legitimately controlled by the people..."
Gee, keep trying to excuse the inevitable disasters. Someone as stupid as you might be fooled.
Eat shit and die.
To be fair, he’s not wrong, in a textbook definition kind of way. What these idiots always seem to ignore is that every single time it’s been tried, it’s been lead by a “dictatorship of the proletariat” that quickly turns into a dictatorship as soon as all of the competition has been eliminated.
It’s almost like the force required to overthrow the existing system doesn’t want to give up that power once it has. Complete mystery that.
I think it's more that altruism, or the claim of altruism as primary motive, is the easiest way for psychopaths to seize power, and blinds supporters to the evil they do/are.
Everything collectivistjeff says is a great example, always lying about actions and motives as do-gooding.
I think that’s a fair observation too, at least for some people.
Authoritarian regimes can call themselves socialist just as North Korea can call itself a democratic-republic; that doesn’t mean they are correct.
It's interesting the Reasoner extensively notes how Venezuela meets the underlying definition of socialist, yet this fool acts as if the accusation is based solely on the name. It's another indication left wingers simply can't win arguments, which is why they focused on controlling our institutions so they don't have to.
“ Therefore, government control of the means of production is only socialism if the government is legitimately controlled by the people.”
Ha: these are the same people who say “the right of the people to keep and bare arms” means the government’s right to have all the arms.
Socialism can be defined as “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
That was never anything but the sales pitch. Socialism has always been a creed of looters.
Authoritarian regimes can call themselves socialist just as North Korea can call itself a democratic-republic; that doesn’t mean they are correct.
Fuck you and the "no true scotsman" pile of bullshit you rode in on.
-jcr
Soooo...No True Scotsman and No True Socialist,,eh?
Fuck Off, Tankie!
Ownership means the right to determine the use and disposal of property. If The State dictates the use and disposal of property then the State owns it, no matter what any piece of paper (deed, title, etc.) might say.
"...Was it? One classic definition of socialism is government control of the means of production. Chávez nationalized banks, oil companies, telecommunications, millions of acres of farmland, supermarkets, stores, the cement industry, a glass container maker, a gold-mining outfit, the steel industry, a fertilizer company, a shipping company, the electricity industry, vacation homes, and more. He imposed capital controls that put the government in charge of all foreign trade, turning Venezuela into a command-and-control economy—aside from its burgeoning black market, another typical feature of socialist societies..."
Dunno who was the intended audience, but if it was the author of the book, you might just as well 'reason' with Joe Asshole or a random handful of dirt.
So, more of that misinformation we were talking about, right? Government has to censor this man.
^
https://twitter.com/mdrache/status/1533435557413625858?t=NIWWsn8BRqnhDfK4QG-Gooding.
Brendan Donovan was 14 in 2011 when he made a gay joke. ESPN decided his 4 RBI/game winner night was the time to make it a NATIONAL FUCKING STORY. I want every ESPN writer’s text history back to 8th grade.
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You know who else was making gay jokes in 2011? The entire known universe.
Fucking fags
Fag jokes are so gay, queer!
*No homo*
Leftists are cancer, a thread
https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1533608629584134144?t=f5oHkdBzUXVZp1yn0Ia_3g&s=19
NEW: President Biden has run up against the limit of his powers.
The White House has grown increasingly frustrated by its inability to turn the tide against a cascade of challenges - most out of its control - threatening to overwhelm the administration
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LOL, what a thread
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1533590718878466049?t=wZXvzNW9ezOmwbXoUYhsSQ&s=19
For those scoring the various victimhood points at home, among the starring marginalized actors in the WPost oppression drama, 2 are graduates of Harvard University (Sonmez and Del Real) while the other was raised in Greenwich, CT, and educated in Swiss boarding schools (Lorenz).
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Hand me the popcorn: it's fun to see these people tearing into each other and showing us who they really are.
https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1533619651325960192?t=3fIJDd7MPfPDUhYMd7xdzg&s=19
This stuff misses the point. Do not look for some kind of logic. They don't care. They want to disarm you so they can kill you. It's not haywire programming on their part, where their minds could be changed by new information. Don't project normal people thinking onto them.
Above all else people need to know that there is not a debate occurring. They are not discussing their genuine thoughts and motivations with you, and do not want a "good outcome" if their policies are implemented.
American crime is not a mystery. It is so obvious what is happening in the US that the FBI chose to not even release crime stats this year, as it would make it even more obvious. The Left supports crime and opposes self defense. It really is that simple.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1533626077272330243?t=p7r6QA5Dy537PGVw1scO8g&s=19
In case you wondered what Queer Theory (Queer Marxism) thinks about childhood innocence, it believes it is an ideological narrative created by normal people to shelter their kids so they'll be more likely to grow up normal.
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Those, like nardz, stupid enough to assume a tweet is a source, should be treated every bit as reliably as anything Joe Asshole ever proposes.
nardz, you are an ignorant pile of shit. Please fuck off and die.
To be fair, Hitler and the rest of the National Socialists constantly used the S word, yet somehow they are not seen as real socialists, because they were national and not international socialists.
But they are called right wing, somehow tieing that into smaller government
The reason is that by the time Hitler entered politics, it was clear that international socialism had failed: the workers of the world weren't going to unite. That's why socialists in the West tried to figure out some new kind of social conflict and victim status to exploit for political power. Other than its choice of victim status, fascism is pretty much the same as socialism: the means of production are under government control, a single party is in power, and dissent is brutally repressed, like in any socialist regime.
That was a post-WWII PR stunt because socialists and the left didn't want to be associated with the horrors of the holocaust.
If you read pre-WWII writers, the American left was singing the praises of Hitler and Mussolini, just like they are frequently admiring China, Chavez, and Castro.
"If you read pre-WWII writers, the American left was singing the praises of Hitler and Mussolini,"
You might want to read American socialist W E B du Bois, who was a lover of German culture and spent half a year in pre-WWII Nazi Germany. He was critical of Hitler and Nazism.
All of Hitler's fellow lefturds acknowledged that he was a socialist right up to the day that he double-crossed his partner, Josef Stalin.
-jcr
There were some Nazis who had harbored socialist tendencies. Goebbels was probably the most prominent. When Hitler said in mid 1920s that socialism was a Jewish creation and that a Nazi government would not expropriate private property Goebbels wrote in his diary "I no longer fully believe in Hitler. That's the terrible thing: my inner support has been taken away."
The Strasser brothers were early Nazis committed to Socialism. Gregor the elder was murdered in 1934 during the Night of Long Knives, and Otto, the younger, survived by going into exile.
"To be fair, Hitler and the rest of the National Socialists constantly used the S word, yet somehow they are not seen as real socialists, because they were national and not international socialists..."
This has been made clear by Tooze ("Wages of Destruction"), Pipes ("The Russian Revolution"), and even the lefty Figes ("A Peoples Tragedy..."), among others. Which in no way keeps lefty ignoramuses like turd, Tony, and likely Joe Asshole from claiming otherwise.
A reading of how Lenin dealt with the economy and the capitalists soon after the revolution in either Pipes or Figes offerings compared to Tooze's treatment of Hitler's similar efforts puts lie to the claim of any principled divide between the international Socialists and the national ones, except the geographic reach of their *stated* desires.
As it happens, Stalin did manage (through terror) to spread socialism beyond the boundaries of Russia until the collapse of the USSR; Hitler failed to establish it (except in diluted, post-war form) in Germany.
Neither had any idea of how wealth is created.
O/T: New poll on guns.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-10-republicans-think-mass-180032135.html
I'll just leave this part here:
One of the questions in the poll asked respondents if they feel that mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society" or "something we can prevent and stop if we really tried."
In response, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are inevitable "as part of a free society." Meanwhile, 85% of Democrats and 73% of Independents said mass shootings are preventable "if we really tried."
Eat shit and die, asshole. A2.
There is no contradiction between those statements: Democrats want to create a collectivist, totalitarian, single-party regime.
Of course, even nations with strict gun control actually do have mass shootings. And mass shootings are not the main problem with gun violence in the US anyway, individual shootings related to gangs and inner cities are.
individual shootings related to gangs and inner cities are.
But you can't say so, or you get tarred as a racist. Funny how black lives don't matter unless it's convenient for the tankies.
-jcr
"And mass shootings are not the main problem with gun violence in the US anyway, individual shootings related to gangs and inner cities are."
That's part of doing business and defending territory. Our border guards routine arm themselves and are trained to use them and nobody bats an eye. Mass shootings irk Americans because they are not defending territory, eliminating business competition, or any of the other traditional legitimate purposes gun violence has furthered. They are random and gratuitous, which puzzles and frightens people. Americans know that if they want to avoid being victimized by gangland shootings, they can avoid gangland activities, like buying or selling drugs. How to avoid random and gratuitous shootings? Avoid school, work, church? Not so easy.
Actually, Americans have been doing a good job:
https://reason.com/2022/05/26/uvalde-texas-mass-shooting-statistics-gun-crimes-misleading/
You're making the mistaken assumption that school shootings are like a roulette. They're actually anomalies.
"They're actually anomalies."
You can call them anything you like, they still take their toll on the national psyche, eroding trust in our neighbors, governments and institutions, edging the nation further towards a final solution where all problems and conflicts are to be resolved through gun violence.
Which answer do you agree with Jeffy?
the key part of that question is "if we really tried." the "we" in that question is really "government". of course dems believe that government can solve all the problems. and the more refined translation is pass more draconian laws and limit our liberties even more. dems love that idea.
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John Oliver, like many useless idiots on the left, will ignore reality and lay claim that regardless of how many times an action has failed it will not do so when people they like do it because its obvious people they like was way smarter and more capable.
This is the constant lie they tell themselves. In a nation where they cannot even get the Veterans Affair hospital system to be accountable and provide great care they want us to believe they can accomplish both with the industry as a whole. When the issues seen in other countries are demonstrated their reply is always the same, they are better and won't make those mistakes
Was Chavez a socialist? One of the best indicators is adult literacy which climbed from 85% in the capitalist ruled Venezuela of 1981 to 97% today. Neighboring capitalist Haiti's adult literacy rate is close to 60%.
Tsarist Russia and Nationalist China both had adult literacy rates well under 30%, a number which climbed to close to 100% after their socialist revolutions.
I’m a little skeptical of the numbers: without official, reliable counts of the millions murdered, who knows how many of those could read?
There are always good reasons to be skeptical. I think however there are decent proxy measures that back up the figures on advances in adult literacy in socialist countries. Look at the number of schools built or the number of teachers employed, for example.
"without official, reliable counts of the millions murdered, who knows how many of those could read"
There are fairly reliable counts I believe, at least in the USSR. You might want to read Solzhenitsyn on the gulags, even if in abridged form. You can be sure that the millions of members of the communist party victimized during the purges could read and write. The party was not about to recruit illiterates into her ranks.
I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. If you read Solzhenitsyn on the gulags, you'll notice that there were huge swaths of people swept into the gulags with little or no "trails" and accounting. Solzhenitsyn admits his estimate is a guess, and is much larger a number than official Soviet records.
Communist Russia was a state of secret police, secret arrests, secret purges, etc. If you want to trust their statistics on teachers, schools, and literacy, go ahead. I'm not so easily persuaded.
"If you read Solzhenitsyn on the gulags, you'll notice that there were huge swaths of people swept into the gulags with little or no "trails" and accounting. "
Solzhenitsyn never claims that these people were disproportionately illiterate. That seems to be your own invention.
When they were relocating huge surges of foreigners from occupied territories into the gulags, do you think they taught them to read in the gulag? Or would they wait ten years to see if they would survive first?
My advice, check Solzhenitsyn. I can only offer speculation. Kazakhstan was probably the biggest attempt at social engineering in the USSR under Stalin. It was originally a nomadic goat herding desert dwelling tribal people. By the time Stalin was finished with them, they were city dwellers working in industries like mining and other extractive enterprises. They were still Muslim, but the women no longer wore head scarves and were encouraged to work for wages outside the confines of the family compound. An effort by the government to promote literacy and scientific socialism is entirely plausible to me.
Solzhenitsyn wrote of secret police desperately looking for groups to arrest to fill their quotas, sending them to most likely death in the gulags. If there weren’t enough political prisoners, they’d look for others. Maybe petty criminals, foreigners, etc.
Do you ever think they saw, perhaps, some older illiterate people and thought, “hey: if they vanish into the gulag system, the literacy rate goes up!”
How much of an impact do you think killing illiterate people had on the literacy rate vs education?
"How much of an impact do you think killing illiterate people had on the literacy rate vs education?"
Minimal. As I already mentioned the great purges under Stalin targeted communist party members. The party was not admitting illiterates to join them.
"Do you ever think they saw, perhaps, some older illiterate people and thought, “hey: if they vanish into the gulag system, the literacy rate goes up!”
I can only speculate, but I doubt it. The secret police are concerned with security, teachers are concerned with education. I don't think Solzhenitsyn mentions anything about this. Again it seems another of your inventions.
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“Minimal. As I already mentioned the great purges under Stalin targeted communist party members.”
I’m sorry, but you are incorrect.
“The Polish Operation of the NKVD (Soviet security service) in 1937–1938 was an anti-Polish mass-ethnic cleansing operation of the NKVD carried out in the Soviet Union against Poles (labeled by the Soviets as "agents") during the period of the Great Purge.”
“The following categories of people were arrested by the NKVD during its Polish Operation, as described in Soviet documents:[4][5]
All "antisoviet and nationalistic elements" from districts and region in the USSR where there existed a Polish community.
All immigrants from the Second Polish Republic.
Political exiles from Poland.
Former and present members of the Polish Socialist Party and other non-communist Polish political parties.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
That’s why I’m asking: if there’re targeting Polish immigrants, did they make sure they could read before they sent them to death camps, or after?
"I’m sorry, but you are incorrect."
The great purges under Stalin saw about a third of the communist party membership murdered or sent to the gulags. Significant numbers of high ranking officers, even admirals and generals, were also targeted. I'm not sure why you are so keen to minimize the enormity of this crime in a perverse attempt to call into question the advances made in the USSR in their promotion of adult literacy. USSR was a socialist country. They stressed education and literacy. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to accept. Maybe you think literacy is good and USSR evil, an overly simple and facile view of what socialism is all about. Stalin was concerned about literacy. As a youth he was a published poet and was a multilingual editor and translator. In power, he lifted Lenin's ban on the publication of Dostoevsky's work, rife with anti-western mysticism, and intervened on behalf of anti-bolshevik writers like Bulgakov.
"That’s why I’m asking: if there’re targeting Polish immigrants, did they make sure they could read before they sent them to death camps, or after?"
I'm not sure why it's so important to you to believe that those victimized by the Soviets were illiterate, or why a Pole is somehow more likely to be illiterate than any other nationality. Solzhenitsyn doesn't write about this. It appears to be entirely an invention of your own making.
http://library.lol/fiction/42FAFBBB6F4C2C129946773D81A2A510
That's a link to Bulgakov's Master and Margarita. It's worth the read if you can spare the time. Heart of the Dog is a shorter work, but also critical of the bolsheviks and their ways.
The Likbez program had little success in the 20's, and there were still many illiterate people in Russia. There was also high illiteracy in rural areas and villages.The statistics improve into the 30's, but so do the purges. Clearly all communists did not become literate upon the insistence of the Soviet government, or else the programs wouldn't have needed to exist in the first place.
So the question is this: to what extent did the statistics improve due to education, vs. simply exterminating illiterate people? That's an important distinction, but it doesn't appear you have an answer.
Are you saying that Stalin deliberately and disproportionately exterminated illiterates to boost the percentage of literate adults? Do you have any evidence for this? Of course you don't. It's yet another invention of yours. How about Hugo Chavez, surely he too did the same thing, even though there is no evidence for this either. Who needs evidence anyway?
I’m asking a simple question that you don’t have an answer to: to what extent did the literacy statistics improve in Soviet Russia during the late thirties due to education, vs. simply exterminating people who likely couldn’t read?
No need to pretend I’m accusing the Soviets of intentionally executing illiterate people.
In my defense, though: the matter would be a lot more clear if the communists hadn’t killed so many millions of their own people.
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