Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns
It would be a mistake to see these lockdowns as a foreign oddity to be pitied and tweeted.

Shanghai is reportedly coming out of lockdown this week, moving toward some modicum of freedom after two months of residents locked inside their apartments with little to eat, parents forcibly separated from COVID-positive toddlers, and all around a blatant authoritarianism that many young Chinese people have never personally experienced.
It's doubtful that Beijing has anticipated how those younger generations might be inclined to respond. Draconian strictures have "prompt[ed] a rethinking of life plans among the young," the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday, relaying stories of young Chinese adults who have decided to skip having children, abandon their career plans, move back in with their parents, give up on finding love. "Let it rot" has joined the anomic "lying flat" as a catchphrase among disillusioned 20- and 30-year-olds, the Journal reports. Threatened by authorities with consequences that would last generations, a young Chinese man in a since-banned video verbally shrugs: "We are the last generation."
China's lockdowns in Shanghai and beyond were far more severe than those seen anywhere in the United States, including in COVID-hawk nests like California and New York. No one here walled off neighborhoods or killed dogs with shovels in the name of fighting the virus; we have constitutional recourse China's residents lack; and it's hard to suppose Americans would react to this degree of totalitarianism with the resignation of "let it rot."
But it would be a mistake to see these lockdowns as just a foreign oddity. Much as with Chinese mass surveillance, they should be a warning about the modern state's capacity and tendency to oppress.
That comparison is particularly apt because this kind of control can't happen without surveillance. A Shanghai-style lockdown relies in part on brute force: neighborhood walls, family separations, and hazmat-suited enforcers snatching people off the streets.
But it also relies on information: where people go, whom they meet, what they say. The Chinese government has invested heavily in surveillance cameras and thermal imaging (to detect fever, among other uses) during the pandemic, scaling up an already uniquely pervasive spying regime. COVID controls in Shanghai, though temporary, eerily echo social controls in Xinjiang, argues Asia tech columnist Li Yuan at The New York Times, down to the reuse of slogans.
Mass surveillance is by nature self-preserving—the cameras watch you try to take them down; the censors hear you arguing against them—but for any invasive state apparatus, expansion is a natural preservation mode. Absent sturdy limits of law, this is how it goes: A security measure turns into social control; an entitlement becomes a means of regulation. A social credit system comes in handy when you have a pandemic; the USA PATRIOT Act finds a second life in the drug war.
Chinese-style autocracy probably isn't right around the corner. The police aren't about to wall off American neighborhoods. Big Brother here is not that big, compared to the Chinese equivalent. But he's capable of a growth spurt, given the right turn of events. The post-9/11 era was one such moment, and the digital and transit surveillance state it gave us—now, for most Americans, just part of the scenery—makes future spurts easier.
That rapid acceptance of major new intrusions into our lives is why trusting that Americans won't take tyranny "lying flat" is naive. There are substantial cultural and political differences between the United States and China, yes, but relying on something as amorphous as culture to stave off authoritarianism is a fool's errand. Cultures change. People get scared, and sometimes fear prompts them to protest government overreach, but sometimes it prompts them to beg for it.
However, the same inertia that makes overgrowths of state power difficult to reverse also gives legal protections of our liberties real staying power. Law usually doesn't rapidly follow the whims of public feeling, nor does it immediately shift to accommodate new technologies of surveillance and suppression. It's law, more than culture or circumstance, that stands between us and Shanghai. And it's lawmaking—bolstering constitutional safeguards of our civil liberties, heading off power grabs before they're entrenched—to which this shocking omen from Shanghai should have us turn.
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Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns
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Read the article. Yes, what some US jurisdictions did in 2020 was wrong. But even their worst pales in comparison to what is going on in Shanghai.
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The Constitution doesn't mean anything if the public is scared to death. A virus that kills mainly people of the generation that is in charge of all levels of society will do that, especially when that fear is promoted. The Media and the Democrats did everything they could to promote maximum fear, and exploit it for political purposes. They did it to change the rules so they could win the 2020 election, and it worked.
Current virus versions are mild. You have to ask yourself - if a SARS2 version evolves in the US that is 10x deadlier than Delta Variant, how much more scared will the public be? How much more power will the people in charge grab for themselves?
The fear doesn't have much to do with the absolute nature of the virus. Believing that leads directly to lying about the virus in order to lie about the fear someone 'should' have.
I'd argue that the fear is significantly affected by whether people actually choose to understand what they are facing.
Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns
It would be a mistake to see these lockdowns as a foreign oddity to be pitied and tweeted.
Would have had more impact in 2020 or even 2021, but I guess I'll take it. And you don't have to go to far-flung, exotic places like Shanghai to be horrified at lockdowns. You can go to places like Canada and Australia.
I think the thing that really gives us any protection is the 2A. Without that, democrats would try and roll right over the populace.
In Australia and the UK, where the population has been disarmed, the cops were all about kicking down doors and going after people in parks for breaking the lockdown rules. While the US had more than its share of lockdowns, you never saw anything close to the level of insanity in enforcing those lockdowns that you saw in places like the UK, Canada and Australia. I think the public being armed is the main reason for that.
It is an impediment to them. Much easier to just roll over any and every one if they cannot fight back.
exactly this.
Do cops break down doors and enter recklessly in the US? Hell yes. But you can be damn sure there are tons of areas they would never think of needlessly knocking down the door (other than during a school shooting, incidentally) and entering because theres a good chance it would be the last door they knocked down. You can usually mark those locations with a "dont tread on me" sign in the front yard.
Cops don't do dynamic raids when they honestly believe the people inside could be a threat. They do those raids because causing terror gives them pleasure.
When someone is actually dangerous they wait outside for the person to get their mail in their pjs, and then surround them with guns.
Not universally, fr too many of them like to put on a show of force.
This is the correct answer. It's not the Constitution, it's one specific part of the Constitution.
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Came to say the same without guns we are toast just look at what they got away with in Australia. We know Fauci was liking his lips wishing he could lock down entire towns
Oh, and the constitution failed to stand between people's businesses and jobs and general livelihood being gleefully canceled by Blue State and city governments. Sure, we won't lock you in your house, we'll just make it so you don't have anywhere to go. Progress!
The constitution didn't fail, lawyers, government officials and especially judges failed to stand up for the people. The judges sat around with the teeth in their mouths doing nothing for months allowing this to go on until finally when the political winds changed deciding that maybe there really were some limitations to "emergency powers". Thanks a lot pal. After a year of the most widespread abuses of Americans' civil rights in history, the judiciary finally decided that well maybe the government had gone a little far.
Fait, but since the constitution isn't a person, it can't really 'fail' at anything. It requires that the people in our institutions pay attention to it. And yes, they failed spectacularly.
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
― Ronald Reagan
IOW, the Constitution is like a restraining order; if not respected, it's nothing more than a piece of parchment.
The Constitution doesn't mean anything if the public is scared to death. And the judges were scared too. A virus that mostly kills old people will terrify the generation that is in charge of everything. Just think what would happen if the reality of the virus matched the level of fear at the 2020 peak?
Well, sure Bonnie.
Except for the free speech cancellations, the forced labor of cake decorators, the 'shall not be infringed' infringements, the asset forfeiture aspects of searches, the door busting service of warrants, the bank refusals to give a legitimate business an account, the open election interference of the Steele Dossier from Ms. Clinton, and so forth, the Constitution has been a stalwart defender of individual freedoms.
Most of the time.
If convenient to the elites.
Reason is absolutist about individual rights provided those rights relate to pot, abortion, immigration or gay sex. All the other rights? Well those things are just racist right wing bullshit.
It turns out that the biggest lockdown aficionados don't have families or livelihoods impacted by lockdowns. It also turns out that these same people are the first to call you out for being selfish for wanting life to return to normal.
The people working from home with no kids in school who never missed a paycheck were all about punishing everyone else so they could feel safe.
It was a coalition of many different people:
1) White collar workers who could treat the whole ordeal as a staycation.
2) Generally older people who were especially concerned for their health and could live off of savings and wealth.
3) Hypocritical fuckheads who had "good reasons" to breach the lockdowns when they did it. That included the many governors and other officials who couldn't be bothered to change their habits. But it also included even millennial kids who would scream about masks and social distancing before running out to a protest in the streets.
"Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns"
Well, it would if the courts were willing to review public health measures when it matters, but they aren't.
According to the comments I've read, we already had Shanghai style lockdowns.
We did. They just didn't last as long and were not enforced with the same level of brutality and lunacy they are in China.
Your second sentence contradicts your first.
No it doesn't. The rules were the same. They just were not enforced with the same level of brutality and were more widely ignored in the US as a result. That doesn't make the lockdowns any different in principle. It just made the ones in the US less strictly enforced.
My understanding of what is meant by "Shanghai-style lockdowns" is not being allowed to leave your home. Period. No grocery shopping, no family visits, no nothing.
Even in principle the lockdowns in China were very different than the lockdowns here.
What exactly is your argument here? They didn't reach Shanghai levels here so people were wrong to be mad at the lockdowns that occurred in the US? What point are you trying to make here?
I'm not dealing with your lies and strawmen today. Do be a dear and fuck off.
all lockdowns are Shanghai-style.
Dude, that's retarded. Seriously. Nobody prevented you from going to the store or visiting family. Meanwhile people in Shanghai are literally starving. We're not talking about food insecurity. So saying all lockdowns are Shanghai-style is ludicrous.
any lockdown is antithetical to America and ergo "Shanghai style" whether you think I'm retarded or not.
my pops & wife in NorCal were forbidden from leaving their homes for some period of time. so was my mother in Iowa. Shanghai style.
and my brother on Nantucket. verboten from outdoors. Shanghai style.
I didn't say you are retarded. I said what you said is retarded. Unlike the trolls here, I can separate what a person says from the person.
Did the people you mentioned run out of food because they were not allowed to go shopping at all? If so that's the first I heard of that happening in America.
Any infringement on freedom should be shunned, not tolerated because someone infringed harder.
Talk about a lack of principles.
Any infringement on freedom should be shunned, not tolerated because someone infringed harder.
Who is making that argument?
Talk about a lack of principles.
Saying all lockdowns are the same is dishonest and stupid. It's as stupid and dishonest as when you equated Australia's quarantines to Nazi concentration camps.
What Dillinger said was retarded, but he's no retard.
You on the other hand are not very bright.
Many of these lockdowns were a real ‘Shanghai Surprise’. And just as unpleasant.
Who is making that argument?
I asked you for your intention, you refused to state what it was. It appears that because someone is worse, then nobody can complain. See your first comment in the thread.
In Wisconsin it absolutely was illegal to visit family. (At least purportedly.) And I'm sure our governor wouldn't have done that unless other Democratic governors were doing it first.
What lies dummy? I asked what your intentions were with your post.
Sorry Jesse. I delivered Sarc’s welfare check to him today. Look for him to get really surly before he goes dark for a few days to sleep it off.
And your excuse for Jeff? You canceled his Uber Eats?
Can we have a little bit of perspective here? Nuance? Shades of gray?
Something can be bad without being THE WORST EVER.
First the rules were not the same. To my understanding, the lockdown orders in the US made exceptions for things like "necessary trips to the grocery store". In Shanghai there was no exception like that. You were locked in your apartment and you had to have your food delivered and if the delivery guy forgot well then you just went hungry.
Read this for a little bit of context:
Here is the link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2022/china-shanghai-covid-lockdown-food-shortage/
I did a couple quick googles to see how many people have died from starvation in China from lockdowns. The official number is zero, but that's got to be bullshit.
What nuance jeff. In what way were the lockdowns in the US good? Removed a year of educated from children. Caused them social harm. Caused economic harm including spending. Why ignore this because someone did it worse?
What nuance are you asking for dummy?
Ohhh, this is you engaging in retard logic again. When someone says "the lockdowns in Shanghai were worse" you hear "the lockdowns in American were good and wonderful." I used to think you were dishonest. But you're not. You're just really, really dumb.
No, this is you engaging in retro logic. Alternately known as a day ending in ‘y’.
‘Retard logic’
I am asking him for what nuance dummy. What is his intention in comparing it to US lockdowns the way he has.
Only you two idiots have tried attacking those who were against US lockdowns for some reason. Based on the fact that China was worse.
You made the comparison here, not anyone else.
What is his intention in comparing it to US lockdowns the way he has.
How about, ACCURACY?
How about, TRUTHFULNESS?
Only you two idiots have tried attacking those who were against US lockdowns for some reason.
Oh, well this statement is rather revealing. It demonstrates, yet again, that you think of these conversations in terms of personalities and not ideas.
Neither sarcasmic nor I attacked Dillinger or Briggs. We criticized their characterization of the lockdowns. But in your mind, criticizing their idea = criticizing the person.
What truthfulness and accuracy? What comments here besides yours and sarcs are making a comparison?
How about the truth that ALL the lockdowns were bad you fucking authoritarian shit.
And I have made no argument except yours and sarcs comparisons are idiotic. All the lockdowns were bad dumbass. Show me criticizing anyone but you and sarc in the thread you dishonest strawman eating fat fuck. Lol.
How about the truth that ALL the lockdowns were bad
Were they all EQUALLY bad?
LOL @ Jeff
Holy fuck youre an embarrassment jeff. After showing only you and sarc making comparative declarations you go make another.
You crossed the fucking line, and you deserve to die for it
Fine. If you want nuance on restrictions of fundamental rights, let's talk about nuance and rape.
Shanghai style is far more than stay at home orders. China hauled everyone who tested positive off to quarantine camps and killed their pets.
According to comments you've posted, Australian quarantine camps were common and no big deal.
According to you the people arrived in rail cars and we're still finding mass graves.
Citation? Here is yours.
https://reason.com/2021/11/24/ahmaud-arbery-alleged-murderers-almost-escaped-charges-prosecutorial-misconduct-jackie-johnson-george-barnhill/?comments=true#comment-9228119
So? You guys said they were concentration camps and I said you're full of shit. And you still are.
No no, you need to learn Jesse-speak.
Team Blue creates "concentration camps for undesirables".
Team Red, however, creates "detention centers for illegals".
Totally different.
When his homies cram illegals together is disgusting conditions and separate families, well they're doing humanity a service. After all, being without papers is worse than murder. Heck, illegals aren't even human beings. They're illegal, and they deserve whatever happens to them.
But when people are temporarily quarantined and then sent home, it's exactly the same as putting them into railcars before gassing them.
Tell me, in what jail setting do children stay with adults?
So when someone commits a crime in the US, they aren't jailed because they have families?
You really are not an intelligent person sarc.
Jeff doesn't understand the difference between prisons for viruses and prisons for those intentionally violating the law.
Weird.
That is you defending them as just quarantine camps. I provided my citation, now provide yours.
Anytime a government imprisons people against their will even for those who didn't even test positive for the virus, it should be shunned. You did not do so. You said it was just a quarantine camp. EVEN FOR THOSE WITHOUT POSITIVE TESTS.
There is no walking that back. You can see what you put in the comments. You have no principles.
You don't know what quarantine means, you don't know shit about what actually happened in Australia. All you know is what your right-wing media liars tell you.
And by the way Jesse. Something can be bad, but not Nazi-level bad. It is possible you know. But you intentionally catastrophize anything that Team Blue does as much as possible because you are not an honest person.
Jesse: Look what Biden did, it's horrible! It's WORSE THAN HITLER!
Normal people: Well, it's not great, but I don't know if I would go that far...
Jesse: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BIDEN? IT'S TERRIBLE!
You pull that crap all the fucking time. It's dishonest, but that is what trolls do.
I do know what quarantine means. And I know what defending locking people up against their will is. Do you?
The only people here making comparative statements is you and sarc. Nobody else is. Everyone else is saying the lockdowns in the US are bad. Only you two are not doing so. Apparently because Shanghai was worse.
You two are the ones making this comparative discussion. LOL.
You lying about what is apparent in the thread is hilarious as you call others dishonest. Sarc is the one who made a comparative statement, I asked why he made one.
You are the one attacking those who said the US was bad as well.
Neither of you are honest. Neither of you are libertarians.
Jesse, did ANYONE in this discussion say that the US lockdowns were "good"? Anyone? Hmm?
The answer is no. No one said they were good.
But in your little black/white tribalistic mind, every lockdown is equally bad.
Jeff are you capable of reading and understanding the written word? Sarc made the comparative strawman, nobody else. Holy shit jeff. How fucking dumb are you? He was trying to mock people for saying us lockdowns were bad. Are you that fucking stupid?
He was trying to mock people for saying us lockdowns were bad.
No, he wasn't. That is one of many of your problems, you don't even understand what he was trying to say.
He wasn't mocking people for saying the US lockdowns were bad.
He was mocking people for saying US lockdowns were AS BAD AS the Shanghai lockdowns.
Do you understand the difference?
According to Jesse, Biden is banning handguns as we speak. He is personally setting fire to the Smith & Wesson factory, while cackling an evil laughter that only supervillains can master.
Amazing how I provide citations and you just make up bullshit because you're defending lockdowns because they weren't as bad as other countries. Youre not a libertarian.
Pedo Jeffy defends his master. He’s a democrat henchman.
According to Jesse, there actually was a child pedophile ring in the basement of Comet Pizza - but it wasn't John Podesta who was there, it was Florida elementary school teachers. That's why brave, heroic DeSantis had to pass his law in Florida, because he discovered the truth and leapt into action to save Florida kids.
See? There you go again. Salivating at the chance to groom the kids.
According to Jesse, Madison Cawthorn was right, there are cocaine-fueled sex orgies in DC - but it's not with Republicans, it's with Pelosi and AOC. That is how the establishment wing and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party "mend fences".
The democrats do have them. They just don’t invite you. They have a ‘no fatties’ rule.
According to Jesse, if scientists were to discover an asteroid that would strike the planet tomorrow, wiping out all life, Jesse's initial reaction would be "well, sure, but what about Hunter Biden's laptop?"
That was weak, even for you.
The bear in the trunk will take care of the asteroids.
According to Jesse, the only thing Ben Garrison gets wrong with his over-the-top cartoon depictions of Trump, is that he doesn't draw Trump as muscular enough.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/583c906ebe659429d1106265/1584211639348-E1GWQW6NBIRX9N1KHN1O/EO56ADdVAAI4Jiv-1024x755.jpg?format=1000w
According to Jesse, Democrats are treasonous communist unAmerican evil supervillains. But Republicans? They *may* have done one or two things wrong. Maybe. The jury's still out on that though. And that's over a 150-year timespan, so really, their record is not too shabby. Jesse, being the fair-minded person that he is though, he points out that he criticized Republicans for the couple of things that they might have done wrong, so therefore you can totally believe Jesse's rational and logical characterization of Democrats as evil alien creatures from the planet Mordor to wipe out all life on earth.
Lol. You are still spinning because enough didn't know the prominent gun using 9mm are handguns. Sorry youre an idiot jeff.
And please add citations. I'll add the one for sarc since you've asked nicely.
I think Sarcasmic and Pedo Jeffy are in love with you. Sarc tried to show me his JesseAZ erotic fan fiction, but some things can’t be unread.
Youre Sarcasmic’s only friend in the whole world.
I'll never visit a concert with him.
According to Jesse, Big Tech is so in league with the Democratic Party, that Joe Biden is actually an animatronic robot controlled by Google's AI software. And the real reason Pelosi is not seeking to be Speaker of the House again? Because she knew she would be next. According to Jesse anyway.
According to Jesse, the 2020 election was totally stolen from Trump, because it is utterly absurd to think that ANYONE could have been even the teensiest bit upset about Trump's antics and behavior while he was in office and to vote against him based on that. The ONLY logical explanation for Trump losing the election was massive vote dumps of illegal ballots in the middle of the night by shadowy DNC operatives. Because who in their right mind could possibly vote against the wise, charming, well-mannered, enlightened, heroic, and principled man that we know as Donald J. Trump?
According to Jesse, Critical Race Theory is taught everywhere. And I mean *everywhere*. Just the other day, when Jesse's dog barked at him to be let outside, Jesse was positive that he heard from the dog's barks a message of "whitey is racist". That is why sadly Jesse had to put the dog down. Can't have those CRT dogs running around, now, can we?
According to Jesse, illegal immigrants come to America to steal jobs that rightfully belong to good hard-working patriotic native-born citizens; illegal immigrants come to America ALSO to suck on the teat of welfare, because they DON'T want to do any jobs at all; AND, amazingly enough, illegal immigrants come to America ALSO because of the mind-control microchips that were implanted into their bodies. You see, as Jesse read about at his favorite and trustworthy right-wing media outlets, Pfizer's first tests of the COVID vaccines were secretly conducted on Mexicans, complete with the microchips that Bill Gates generously donated to the cause.
Good ol Bill. Knew I liked that guy for a reason.
According to Jesse, the only thing worse than an aborted fetus is when he was not allowed to go to the all-you-can-eat Golden Corral buffet in March 2020.
According to Jesse, if more women just showed a little bit of personal responsibility with their sexual habits, there wouldn't be any need for an abortion so therefore it is not a big deal for abortion to be banned. And as exemplars of personal responsibility for women to emulate, Jesse can point to the January 6, 2021 protestors at the US Capitol, who, when given the opportunity to riot, instead calmly took a self-guided tour of the Capitol, complete with selfies. Now that's personal responsibility right there!
So, Jesse, what do you have to say for yourself? You obviously believe a lot of outrageous things, as I demonstrated above. Are you going to apologize for your ridiculous and horrible statements? When are you going to admit that you are a liar? Hmm?
You are so bad at this. Although I bet you were masturbating bitterly, and furiously while you typed out that word salad with your other hand. It just kills you that deep down, you know he has it right.
His comments don't even make sense.
I actually provide citations to those two hypocrites and point out their argumentation flaws. They just make up crap and say "see, the same!!!" because they are both quite unintelligent people. It is hilarious they get so triggered by it.
And tomorrow Jeff will be back saying I'm the troll despite his ongoing outburts.
Your citations are, more often than not, some right-wing media piece that is intentionally dishonest, and/or only tangentially relevant to the discussion intended to deflect and distract rather than to inform.
This is the type of shit that you pull:
Jesse: The sky is purple!
Me: I don't think that's right, can you provide a citation?
Jesse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Color_Purple_(1985_film)
Me: That's about a movie, not the color of the sky...
Jesse: It's about purple! It's a citation and everything, that means I'm right!
My citation here is of Sarc saying Australian camps were just quarantine camps, while people complained about the lack of freedom associated with them.
How is that a link to a right wing site dummy?
You continue to lie here. Why? You are just proving that in reality you are the troll.
Does information that is factual matter if it comes from a right wing site? I know you've dismissed doctors for the sole reason they appeared on Rogan despite the dozens of citations they cited on the podcast. You seem to be the one against information that isn't pre approved by your political betters.
You're flailing here dummy. You look like a fat overweight child who dropped his ice cream. LOL.
Quarantine camps by their nature restrict the freedoms of those inside. No one disputes this.
The question is, are they equivalent to CONCENTRATION CAMPS??? Like in Nazi Germany? Hmm?
Does information that is factual matter if it comes from a right wing site?
Partisan media sites lie. That is the reason they exist. Most commonly, they lie by omission. That is, they leave out important parts of the story in order to leave readers with a dishonest impression. The parts that they leave in might be completely accurate. But that's not the lie. The lie is what they omit. This was illustrated when I pointed out what the Fox News story was about Biden's 9mm ammunition comments. The Fox News story said Biden "took aim at handguns". That was a lie. He didn't say anything about handguns. But the purpose of partisan media isn't to inform people. The purpose of partisan media is to make the partisans feel better about themselves. You would be well served to spend a month not going to any explicitly partisan media news site, either left wing or right wing, and get your news from a place which is much closer to neutral. (Nobody is perfectly neutral, but there are places, such as AP and Reuters, which try much harder not to be nearly as bad as Fox News or MSNBC.)
No they arguments made in that thread were australia was locking even non infective people up through police actions you retarded fuck. Using a descriptive qualifier like concentration camps was just that. The use of that term doesn't defend the police actions you authoritarian fuck. Sarc dismissing those authoritarian actions as just for quarantine even for people not infected is supporting authoritarian actions you retarded fuck.
God damn. Just admit youre a statist piece of shit already.
Then you don't know what quarantine means.
Jeff do you know concentration camps existed before nazis and what the term means? Lol.
Please cite the evidence of quarantine effectiveness on people not infected. Holy fuck jeff. Keep defending police rounding people up sometimes violently even with negative tests.
Are you taking lessons from shrike?
Are you this mad that I point out the idiocy of you and sarc's argument that it wasn't shanghai so stop complaining? LOL.
Glad to see you so triggered, maybe you can stop your sophistic trolling now.
I'm just doing what you do, Jesse. I'm making up shit about you, stuffing words in your mouth, and then demanding that you be held accountable for the words that I stuffed in your mouth.
I even provided a link to illustrate the made-up words that I put in your mouth! How can you complain? It's a link! That makes the words totally fine!
No you aren't Jeff. you're trolling like you usually do.
You didn't provide a link, you provided nonsense. I provided the link to the thread and comment from Sarc. You're really bad at this.
Can I call you fat shrike?
you provided nonsense.
I was just emulating you, Jesse.
Again no you aren't you retarded shit. You're trolling like you always do. are you too stupid to see how quoting someone's past sentences is different than making up strawman arguments? Lol.
Fat shrike it is.
And here we have one more piece of evidence, that when you enter the discussion, it immediately goes to shit.
Sarc and Briggs and Dillinger and I were having a reasonable discussion, and then you come in, guns a-blazing, in full attack mode, barking and snarling like the junkyard dog that you are. Your barks and snarls drown out the entire rest of the conversation so that you can get in your cheap shots and your strawmen and your logical fallacies and your offensive insults.
You are the troll, you ruin conversations.
Jeff you posted more than a dozen strawman posts not based on any reality and you call others a troll?
Lol.
What good faith arguments did you try and have here? Youre defending police quarantines in Australia. Lying about what I've said.
Are you this self unaware Jeff?
This started with me asking sarc what his intentions with his strawman were. You and him turned it into shit throwing. Lol.
You stupid motherfucker. China is a dictatorship and the US is a democracy with constitutional rights protection of minorities.
Did a middle schooler right this?
Did a middle schooler right this?
*write
was too easy.
Joe is especially frothing at the mouth today.
"China is a dictatorship and the US is a democracy with constitutional rights (sic) protection of minorities.
Did a middle schooler right (sic) this?"
Oh the irony.
Joe couldn’t pass the entrance exams to get into middle school.
You stupid motherfucker. China is a dictatorship and the US is (SUPPOSE TO BE) a Constitutional Union of Republican States NOT a Democratic National Socialist Country with a few Constitutional Rights (Bill of Rights) that ironically you like to throw to the wind anyways (2A)...
You stupid motherfucker. China is a dictatorship and the US is a democracy with constitutional rights and protection of minorities.
Did a middle schooler write this?
The headline reads "Constitution saved us from Shanghi style lockdowns". Your response is "you idiot, we have a constitution and are not a dictatorship like China, what are you a five year old?"
It is really amazing to think you are so stupid you can't understand that you just said the exact same thing the article is saying while calling the author stupid for saying it.
Jesus, you really are a whole other level of moron aren't you?
Did you even read the article?
Silly me, bots can't read.
You stupid motherfucker. China is a dictatorship and the US is a democracy with constitutional rights and protection of minorities.
You literally just affirmed the premise of the article.
Man...I'm almost coming to believe Joe Friday is Joe Biden. He'll sagely explain how the Democrats are very wise stewards of our state. But then point out how much misery his policies are causing, and it's right back to the "ponysoldiers" and "motherfucker" swearing.
JF is Biden's troll account.
Now wouldn't that be something. And I've called him every expletive I know.
Ditto. It would be just wonderful if that was the case.
Well, I don't know if it is true, but Imma pretend it is going forward.
It's doubtful that Beijing has anticipated how those younger generations might be inclined to respond.
Yeah, aside from already having the laws on the books, the correct politicians' pockets already lined, the jail cells for uppity journalists to be disappeared into already built, the disinformation campaigns already reinforced, the firewall locked down, the paid structured opposition operatives in place, the stacks of bullets ready to fire, the soldiers ready to fire them, and the mountains of cash to insure party members immunity to any exigent circumstances beyond that, it's doubtful they've prepared for the youth of Shanghai to take action that would supersede those measures.
> Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns
Not true. The Constitution is very important, but a piece of paper is not what saved us. It was the total unwillingness of Americans to be slaves of the state that saved us. Some leeway was given due to the emergency, but Chinese style total lockdowns would have resulted in mass revolts. Even in Europe without a Constitution they could not have gotten away with that.
Chinese style lockdowns happened because Chinese citizens have been trained for decades (centuries actually) to be utterly obedient to the whims of the state.
I would like to think the American public would not sit in its houses and starve because the government told them to do so. I think that is the case and certainly hope so. I, however, am unable to convince myself that it is certain.
Some people would definitely just sit there and starve. Or at least sit there until their lower brain made them revolt. But most people would say "fuck no!"
We are a nation of immigrants, and our grandparents did not come here to follow orders. That's just not in our DNA.
What the fuck would you know about our DNA, you wear-the-mask take-the-vax little bitch?
I agree that there is definitely a cultural component.
Saved us?
Our economy has been trashed. Our political system ravaged. So many people died from the lockdowns, so many more are hideously scarred.
We have been dealt a terrible blow.
Only time will tell if it was a mortal one.
Remember the difference between our already terrible lockdown policy and Australia's...where govt authorities could show up at your house and take you against your will to a camp for 2 weeks or more on nothing more than the suspicion you could possibly have encountered COVID.
Govt is not meant to have this much power, and when they do, they never, ever give it back. Think about this when they are "just" coming for AR15's.
Australia is no longer part of the civilized world in my opinion. It is just another totalitarian hell hole. There is a right wing magazine out of Australia called Quillette. It is run by this fairly hot Australian MILF. It was a very enjoyable magazine until pandemic hit. And then it was all about how great Australia was doing controlling COVID and how concentration camps were not really concentration camps and a good thing even if they were. It was shocking how quickly they turned into the worst sort of authoritarians. And the magazine claims to be on the libertarian right.
No, a heavily armed population stands between us and Shanghai-style lockdowns. That, and a population with a mindset that’s much more inclined to use bolt cutters and crowbars to actively break any of the Shanghai style barricades.
But we have assualt weapons that use 9mm ammo and can blow the lungs right out of your body.
You make that sound bad.
...can blow the lungs right out of your body.
So a pretty effective covid treatment then?
Mass surveillance is by nature self-preserving—the cameras watch you try to take them down.
And they say there's no good use for an AR-15.
Masks are more effective at hiding your identity from surveillance cameras than they are at containing microscopic virus particles.
Only the constitution stands between us and being held without charge in federal prison.
that of course depends on which protest you attended.
The real danger is COVERT activities - without a judicial warrant - where the target is never confronted. In other words the goal is not conviction but covert punishment by constitutionally oath-sworn officials.
They know there covert activities are illegal, so the goal is NOT to confront their targets - ever! This illegal practice totally bypasses the authority of judges to provide judicial review (ie: Marbury v. Madison).
In the recent “Carpenter v. United States” ruling (surveillance that results in personal mapping clause), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the surveillance itself was a “search” and governed by the 4th Amendment. Of course there is no real enforcement by the court at this time.
If you can get shanghai'd in Shanghai, you can get stood on in Tucson.
"Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns"
So with the current crop of liberal "woke" justices and cowardly conservative justices nothing "Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns"?
China is now transitioning from a total lockdown regime to a mass, frequent testing regime. They are regularizing a requirement for everyone to be tested every other day, nationwide, and anyone who is positive goes off to quarantine. You have to ask why? Does China know something about the virus we don't that scares them? After all, they made it, and they know what bits of code they put into it and why. And will something like that happen here? Current Omicron versions are mild, but what would happen under a Dem Administration if a truly deadly version evolved in the USA?
The Constitution stands between us and many tyrannies that have been successfully inflicted upon us. The Constitution is only as strong as "We the People" who enforce it.
It's the Second Amendment that stands between us and a tyrant.
Except judges don’t care about the constitution.
Judges were happy to let public health officials do more-or-less whatever for over a year. Shanghai lockdown wasn’t a year long.
The constitution didn't really play much of a role.
The belief: Give away your rights to others by voting and you will be protected. Authorize those "others" to force your choice on all, on pain of death. Why? Freedom to choose, e.g., individualism, personal sovereignty, is chaos. Being ruled by force is security.
Is this, "The Most Dangerous Superstition"?
Voting is NOT choosing. It is forfeiting choice to an elite who are granted the power to make law. Law is rule by the initiation of force, threats, backed by the ultimate power to kill. It's legalized tyranny.
While a reasoned argument may disguise a specific threat (law), if all arguments are refuted, exposing no justification, the sham is dropped with "the law is the law", meaning, "do it or die".
When individual sovereignty, expressed by one's conscience, one's value judgements, one's life choices, is not allowed on political principle, as expressed in the rule of law, then right to life, liberty, property, happiness, is denied. That is the worldwide political paradigm, justified as benefiting the "common good". But, is the sacrifice of reason, rights, personal choice, to violence, ever good?
Constitution?! We don't need no steenking Constitution!
At least that's what certain democrats in Congress are saying right now. Traitors.
If the communists(dems) remain in power after this fall's elections, you can kiss the Constitution goodbye.You will have no rights. The United States will be no better than that dictatorship to the north, run by Fidel's love child.
The Democrat party has finally revealed themselves as enemies of America, they always have been. Anyone with even a modicum of reasoning and intelligence should never vote for a democrat.
Otherwise the consequences for allowing the Dems to remain in power are too awful to even think about it.
Only the Constitution Stands Between Us and Shanghai-Style Lockdowns
Hardly reassuring with the liberal woke justices and cowardly conservative justices currently on the court.