California Court Rules That Bees Are Fish
Insects aren't a category protected by the California Endangered Species Act. So state officials classified four bumblebee species as fish to get them listed.

In the latest installment of a yearslong legal debate over whether bees are fish, a California appeals court has ruled that, for the purposes of the state's Endangered Species Act, they are.
Environmentalists petitioned the California Fish and Game Commission to add four bumblebee species to the list of at-risk plants and animals governed by the California Endangered Species Act (CESA). Roughly 250 plant and animal species are protected by the CESA, which prohibits the import, export, possession, purchase, or sale of listed species. The Commission provided notice in 2019 that the four bumblebee species were candidates for CESA protection, prompting lawsuits from agricultural groups that were concerned about the costs of adherence to the new requirements.
They also questioned the Commission's legal authority to designate bumblebees for protection. Insects aren't a protected category under the CESA. Candidate species may include "a native species or subspecies of a bird, mammal, fish, amphibian, reptile, or plant," according to the state's fish and game code. And while California does protect some species of insect, these are listed under the federal Endangered Species Act. That left state officials without an intuitive avenue.
Rather than let pesky biological standards get in the way, they had concluded that designating bumblebees as fish was the most fitting way to get them protected under the CESA. Legally, a fish refers to "a wild fish, mollusk, crustacean, invertebrate, amphibian, or part, spawn, or ovum of any of those animals." Because bumblebees are invertebrates—a protected subset of fish—the Fish and Game Commission argued that they could reasonably be designated as fish per the CESA's terms. The trial court wasn't having it.
But yesterday, the California Court of Appeal for the 3rd District ruled that bees could in fact qualify as fish, despite the (understandable) challenge brought forth by state almond growers and other groups. "Although the term fish is colloquially and commonly understood to refer to aquatic species, the term of art employed by the Legislature in the definition of fish…is not so limited," reads the decision. "Accordingly, a terrestrial invertebrate, like each of the four bumble bee species, may be listed as an endangered or threatened species under the Act." Invertebrates is certainly a broad category, and bees admittedly don't have backbones, but the ruling boggles the mind nonetheless.
"We certainly agree section 45 is ambiguous as to whether the Legislature intended for the definition of fish to apply to purely aquatic species," the decision continues. "A fish, as the term is commonly understood in everyday parlance, of course, lives in aquatic environments." Because a snail (a terrestrial invertebrate) was previously listed under the Act "and could have qualified as such only within the definition of fish," the court opted to liberally construe the Act and the legislature's intent when drafting it.
As Volokh Conspiracy blogger and law professor Ilya Somin points out, courts may interpret a "term of art" in seemingly counterintuitive ways. Those rulings frequently lead to confusion and messy implementation. "Imagine an ordinary Californian reading the state Endangered Species Act to try to figure out what actions might violate it. Such a person would be hard-pressed to figure out that harming bees is a no-no because the latter legally qualify as fish!" Somin argues.
Californians may now have to worry about what else qualifies as a fish since yesterday's decision establishes that "the Commission may list any invertebrate as an endangered or threatened species" if the invertebrate meets the requirements of the relevant statutes. Enter ladybugs, scorpions, moths, and butterflies.
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It doesn't go far enough. The bee should be able to identify as an elephant if it likes.
California Court Rules That Bees Are Fish
Oh, boy! This will be right down Mother's Lament's alley! He spent so much time justifying why The Holy Bible and Jackleg Preachers consider the whale a fish and how The Mother Church even considered otters fish.
One thing's for sure:, to paraphrase the band Rush:
Fish Fryers shouldn't be for rent,
To any God or Government. 🙂
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Yes. It's it was all about gender identity. Now it's species identity. These people are absolute idiots. Maybe I will identify as a fish now too. Do i still have to pay taxes? HMMMMM.
After a lifetime studying fish, the biologist Stephen Jay Gould concluded that there was no such thing as a fish.
When you don't like the law, redefine the words to change it.
But when it's the legislature, just change the law? Oh wait, this is Federal law. So why not make a California law? Because they would rather have a bigger hammer to hit people with. Sad.
No, this is talking about the California Endangered Species Act (CESA). It said they already protect some species of insect, but only because they are protected by the federal Endangered Species Act. The CESA doesn't allow protecting insects, so the appeals court decided bumblebees are fish.
Read the article.
This is about CA law and CA courts. The whole article repeats that multiple times.
I think I found the culprits behind this decision. 🙂
Monty Python--Find The Fish
https://youtu.be/kRqo7kRLHTI
That's not Monty Python - that's video of the California judges during their deliberations.
You lie about what the gun grabber video you link to is.
That’s what religion does with reality.
Good idea! Pregnant women aren't really individuals. Avatars of Satan aren't really plants. The contents of these imported Red Chinese snacks aren't really insects. Anarchy isn't really communo-fascist socialism.
But how does this support open borders, for bees, fish, and Ukranians?
If a bees splats on your windshield do you get fined? Jail?
Not to worry. In order to let motorists comply with the ruling California will now mandate that autos sold in the state have bumble bee deflectors as standard equipment.
If you're driving an electric vehicle, you get a pass.
If you're driving a gas vehicle, you can't afford to drive in CA and thus did not hit the fish.
Now they’re handing out teslas to illegal immigrants? Great.
Depends on if your fishing license is up to date.
Once again confirming that California is the land of fruits and nuts.
And Flakes.
Frank Zappa--Flakes
https://youtu.be/jKE3ZLj7_V8
“When I use a word… it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
"How many fingers, Winston?"
There are 4 lights.
and people wonder why we question the "Science of our experts".
This case had nothing to do with the scientific definitions of fish or bees. It was entirely about the legal definitions in the law.
Which, we are told, are informed by the Best Scientific Experts.
Technically, you are a lobed-finned fish.
In CA, the laws are written almost exclusively by pols who claim to "believe in science", and "follow the data".
Except when the data shows that a virus isn't actually dangerous to children, or that masks don't really affect the spread of Covid in schools, or that nuclear power is the only viable non-CO2 emitting option that can really meet the needs of 40 million people.
Can't blame the legislators for this. unless they voted to confirm these three clowns. The law does not say that insects are fish. The robed clowns pulled that out of their butts.
The way the court justified their ruling is that the written law was updated to classify "invertebrates" as fish, but fails to restrict that inclusion to only species that dwell in some kind of water. That update may have been necessary to the spirit of the law in order to cover the many kinds of aquatic invertebrates which would commonly be considered to be within the category of fish, but the sloppy wording of the law is what opened the door to this bizarre reasoning.
I'm fairly certain that all judges in CA are elected, but I'm not 100% sure.
Are you a biologist?
In a split decision, SCOTUS finds laws protecting fish and not bees violates equal protection.
No, but I play one on TV. And as with sex on the TV, I keep falling off. :]
So long as they're consenting adults...oops, you said *insects,* never mind.
When is a bee a capybara?
I guess when it acquires all the traits listed here:
Capybara--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capybara
Mind you, you'll be waiting as long as Trofim Lysenko waited on wheat to grow in Siberia. 😉
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/capybara-beaver-muskrat-lent-approved-foods
Someone else decided at some point to redefine a few creatures as fish.
"In the latest installment of a yearslong legal debate over whether bees are fish"
It took a lot longer to reverse the even more outrageous proposition that fungi were part of the plant kingdom.
So mushrooms shouldn’t be in the vegetable section at the store?
Should honey be next to caviar?
A fungus is an ophistokont, and so are you.
"The courts have determined that current meaning of 'up' is 'down.'' And some lawyers wonder at the poor reputation the profession has among the public.
So when do women seeking an abortion identify as bees?
When will Republican judges start redefining fetuses as bees or fish?
Did that strike you as a clever thing to say?
Yes.
What’s that like - being clever?
This is all over Volokh, too.
Obviously, the opinion is generating a lot of buzz.
Just putting a little something in your bonnet
These redefinitions really put the bass in my bonnet.
No treble now...
Nectar for puns.
I am not joining this hive mind of pun lovers.
So the legislative history would suggest that the language that includes "invertebrates" under "fish" was intended to include marine creatures that could be considered seafood under the law. It was unlikely to be ntended to include terrestrial insects, but the court bends over so as not to deny the bureaucracy its pony.
fuck that court who are they to tell a bee it isn't a bear?
Never mind secession, what is the process for evicting a state?
I propose we take CA, WA, OR, and HI and set them up as the Socialist Republic of Pacifica. Well, at least the coastal cities and Sacramento.
(only because "Oceania" is taken)
Unfortunately we need a West coast port. When this finally happens, Itll be interesting how we choose to do that.
And also wtf to do with Illinois.
wtf to do with Illinois.
Force Canada to take it. And make them take Detroit too
Trabsphibians Unite!
that's 'Transphibians', of course.
Don't eat and type at the same time, kids.
The new insult to hurl from this will be TERF - Trans Enviro Radical Fishist
Parts, spawn and ovum are fish, but fetuses aren't humans.
I would be so sad if people that hold both of these beliefs were woodchipped.
Individual is the word Sharia Law nationalsocialists seek to expunge from womanhood. Life began billions of years ago, not at erection. Individuals begin at birth according to the constitution Christian National Socialist politicians swear to defend and instead uphole.
Why doesnt the state just rewrite the law?
Because then the legislature would have to do something, instead of letting it's alphabet agencies just govern by proxy so that the legislatures can wash their hands of any action they like.
Why is the terrestrial snail used as justification for the bee, rather than the terrestrial snail being invalidated?
The terrestrial snail lobby had something to say about it. They really didn't like the "species appropriation" by bees either, but it beats erasure. Baby steps. 🙂
The riparian snail was erroneously declared eligible and subsequently listed under the falsely applied authority of the 1970 version of the act, and the whole list to that point was grandfathered by the 1984 version which replaced it. The court unpersuasively claims that this grandfathering means that the Legislature approved of the claims of authority behind all of the listings to that date. There is of course no authority for the court to "invalidate" a designation the Legislature chose to let stand.
A bee is a fish. And there are four lights.
Next, transgender people will demand to be identified as fish, so they can get protection under the CESA.
Declaring sperm cells fish would thrill California Republicans. Gays could then be indicted for violating game laws and that could be renamed genocide.
So Newsome, the invertebrate , is a protected specie. Great
Even if they agree with this outcome, why would the legislature tolerate such reasoning. The judges voting for this ruling should absolutely be removed. You cannot allow this sort of nonsense, not if you wish to have "rule of law, not rule of men".
The legislature is to blame here, for neither fixing the law nor reigning in the court.
It's "reins", as in what is used to control a horse, not "reigns", as in what QEII does in England.
"Because bumblebees are invertebrates—a protected subset of fish—the Fish and Game Commission argued that they could reasonably be designated as fish per the CESA's terms."
This means that many humans are also fish.
what about the Babylon variety?
Buzzfeed probably also has something to say on this.
California Dem legislators must now subsidize the Babylon Bee, over the objections of Republicans eager to subsidize the Landover Baptist Church.
This will not replace the capybara as the first non-fish i think of when people mention fish
From the same knuckleheads who declared a tomato to be a vegetable.
Different batch of knuckleheads.
Only these three are worse. Tomatoes are both fruit and vegetables, depending on context (science or food), but bees are NEVER fish.
I meant attorneys/judges in general, so it's the same bunch of knuckleheads.
If a bee can be a fish, then a pigeon can be a bee, and we've got plenty of pigeons, so there's no such thing as any endangered bees.
irrefutable logic.
god is love
love is blind
ray charles is blind
ray charles is god
If woke men can have babies, why can't bees be fish?
To bee or not to bee, that is the question.
But seriously, isn't it obvious? The ruling was fishy, therefore it was right.
Someday a fish will serve on the Supreme Court.
Salmon P. Chase already served.
more likely some gal that cannot determine if she is a woman or not. or if some other gal is one. or guy. or fish or bee.
we're fucked
Of course, California is being ridiculous. The point is they are trying to protect honeybees, which is a good idea, and this is how they are doing it. Clumsy, yes, but necessary. We need bees or we will start paying mucho bucks for fresh food.
Thank you for that defense of legislative dereliction of duty! You may pick up your Ministry of Truth decoder ring in the lobby gift shop!
Fortunately their ruling will have no unintended side-effects. /s
Try "dishonest" and "unlawful", not "clumsy".
And "California" isn't doing this. Three kritarchs did.
"Necessary" is a word you do not remotely comprehend.
These aren't even honeybees.
It's bumblebees all the way down.
These are European bees, an invasive species. There are many other pollenating insects in the world.
And if they want to do this, then the Democratic party has a supermajority in both houses of California and the governorship. If the party wished, they could pass a quick correction law in far shorter time than this farce of a judgement.
I make my comments, and for the most part, ignore the replies. But Ben of Houston, occasionally I see something from a DUMMY that sets me off. No, there are not replacement pollenating insects that can take their place. Cough up a few. This is a good site except for the MORONS that troll the articles and offer STUPIDITY up as wisdom. Oh wise one, may we hold the hem of your gown?
“Once your faith persuades you to believe what your intelligence declares to be absurd, beware lest you likewise sacrifice your reason in the conduct of your life…. Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.”—Voltaire
thank you vernon for reminding us that few if any thinkers can be found in modern life. i will be using this.
thank you
The 28th Amendment should read :
Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of species as fish, prohibiting the free substitution of stinging insects in tuna salad, or abridging the right of the people to swarm peaceably over the Capitol dome if all the drones inside cause them to mistake it for a beehive.
Well we know the Supreme Court Justices are not biologists. This really proves the point. Yet if they can't tell a simple classification even a small child can determine easily, a man from a woman, or an insect from a fish, how can they rule on cases like this?
Maybe all Supreme court Justices must be between the age of 3 and 5 and mandatory retirement at age 6? I bet we would saner court decisions.
That isnt the problem. The problem is the way the law is written. In this case the court did not legislate from the bench, they ruled on the law which is what they are supposed to do. Blame the legislators for a badly written law
"And congress shall make no law restricting the freedom of production and trade." That should be in any American LP platform.
SCIENCE! The enlightenment is over. But we'll all soon be so poor that the air will be cleaner than during the last Ice Age. And no more mean tweets! Everything is great!
The problem really isn't the courts here. Rather, California legislators incorrectly defined "fish" to include "invertebrates"; that's at the root of the problem.
Sure, I eat Bumble Bee Tuna all the time!
OHHHH! i'm embarrassed that you beat me to it. i'm going to go buy some and sue because it has no bees. bumble or otherwise
Eh, everybody knows bananas are fish.
If a bee identifies as a fish what business is it of yours, bigot?
On the plus side, this ruling now protects politicians as few have spines
The majority of Californications must be fish too. Those people are without spines and therefore invertebrates. Too bad they aren't endangered.
Judicial activism at its finest, i.e. when the plain-meaning text of a statute doesn't fit their desired goal---change the meaning of the words and rule accordingly!
What makes a bee not a fish? Wings? Wings are a kind of fin. Fish have fins. Legs? Some fish have legs. What about them? Flying? Some fish fly.
When experts tell you a bee is a fish, who are you to disagree? Are you a biologist?
California Court Rules That Bees Are Fish.
of COURSE they did...this is california after all. the catch of the day will never be the same. it will also need an allergy warning and an epipen
christ on a crutch we are fucked up