Johnny Depp and Amber Heard Demonstrate How Not To Handle a #MeToo Case
The torturous trial calls to mind Title IX investigations on college campuses.

Johnny Depp's defamation trial against ex-wife Amber Heard has entered its sixth and final week, with closing arguments expected on Friday. Depp is seeking $50 million in damages in order to punish Heard for implying that he was a domestic abuser in a Washington Post op-ed; Heard contends that Depp was indeed abusive, and has countersued for $100 million.
Their conflict is messy and salacious, and the public can't seem to look away. But the fraught attempt by everyone involved—trial participants and onlookers—to condense a rocky relationship into a neat, uncomplicated story about a hero and a villain, should give pause about the wisdom of formally arbitrating such things.
If anything, the Depp-Heard trial calls to mind the sort of student hookup disputes that frequently occur on college campuses and were previously adjudicated in accordance with ill-conceived federal Title IX guidelines, where obvious instances of unwise behavior on both sides were frequently ignored in favor of simplistic victim-perpetrator narratives. In practice, this meant automatically believing female accusers and depriving the accused of basic fairness. (Such campus adjudication is expected to make a comeback; the Biden administration is planning to release new guidance any week now that will likely push colleges and universities to go back to the old, illiberal way of handling these things.)
In short: Heard and Depp began dating in 2009. They married in 2015 and divorced 15 months later. In December of 2018, Heard wrote an op-ed for The Washington Post in which she came out as a domestic abuse survivor. The article in question did not mention Depp by name, but Depp was perceived to be the abuser in question. (During the trial, it was revealed that employees of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) actually wrote the op-ed, with Heard promising to give the organization $3.5 million from her divorce settlement.) Depp filed suit, arguing that the article was defamatory—and that, in fact, Heard had abused him, not the other way around.
What has emerged at the trial is good evidence that both Depp and Heard have treated each other very badly. Witnesses have testified to Depp's overuse of alcohol and drugs and how they affected his behavior, though they have not substantiated Heard's most serious claim that Depp raped her. Heard was manipulative and cruel, admitting to throwing pots and pans and even, at one point, striking Depp. Conclusive evidence that Depp was the more abusive of the two has yet to surface, and plenty of testimony suggests that Heard is telling exaggerations or outright falsehoods about the extent of her injuries due to alleged sexual and physical abuse. As The New Republic's Natalie Shure explains in a perceptive piece about the trial:
[Heard's] most significant eyewitness is her own sister Whitney Henriquez, whose former colleague and roommate has claimed that Henriquez had apparently moved out of Depp and Heard's home because she was scared of her sister, and contemporaneously confided that Henriquez saw Heard attack Depp, not the other way around—an account corroborated by Depp's bodyguard on duty.
I realize that nitpicking a victim's story to justify disbelieving them indeed fills up several chapters of the patriarchal playbook, and one could easily explain away one or even several of the holes in Heard's case as examples of an imperfect victim acting in self-defense or as reflective of the internalized misogyny of whoever pointed them out. But the extreme brutality of what Heard alleges—coupled with an utter lack of independent corroboration of anything even approaching the extent of her story, and the fact that several of Depp's former partners have insisted he displayed no abusive behavior before Heard met him, when he was in his fifties—makes her account very hard to swallow. Resting the integrity of feminism on Amber Heard's word is an awfully shaky bet.
Given that Heard is demonstrably not a reliable narrator, Shure warns against drawing any broad, sweeping conclusions. "This trial is just a referendum on the reputation of two rich and famous actors who treated each other jaw-droppingly terribly, in the most dramatic fashion possible," she writes.
That's a solid retort to op-eds in The New York Times that have mourned the resulting "death of #MeToo" or complained that the trial is really about the historical, misogynistic desire to watch women suffer. "This is a good old-fashioned public pillorying," writes Times contributing editor Jessica Bennett, "only memes have replaced the stones."
Heard was undoubtedly wrong to try to turn her bad marriage into good PR for her personal brand as an aspiring #MeToo feminist and ACLU mouthpiece. That doesn't mean that filing suit was the correct response on Depp's part, though. The defamation bar is extremely high, and Depp could lose even if he is broadly correct that Heard's abusive behavior is equal to or worse than his own.
Sexual encounters, relationships, and marriages are often difficult. Trying to account for all the ways in which one embittered partner has harmed another in an attempt to assign abuser and abused status is a highly fraught exercise.
Yet it is, of course, the exact exercise undertaken at all publicly funded institutions of higher learning since the Obama administration, under the auspices of compliance with Title IX, the federal law that mandates sex and gender equality in schools. The Obama-era Education Department's Office for Civil Rights instructed universities to adjudicate sexual misconduct disputes in a manner granting extraordinary deference to whichever student filed the first complaint, often placing the accused in situations where they essentially had to prove their innocence against a presumption of guilt. (For a recent example, read about the fall of David Sabatini.)
The Trump administration reformed these policies such that accused students and faculty members enjoyed considerably more due process rights. Importantly, Trump-era policies allowed for parties in a sexual misconduct dispute to settle the matter informally, through mediation; the previous guidance had required institutions to conduct investigations—often involving a single employee with total authority over the procedure—even without the approval or participation of the so-called victim. The reforms also stipulated that the accused should have knowledge of the charges against them and the opportunity to scrutinize the accuser, which should be considered very basic components of due process that were nevertheless in doubt under previous guidance.
Unfortunately, the Biden administration has given every indication that it will undo some or all of the changes. The department has said that it will unveil the new guidance in June; it's not clear how extensive the rollback will be, but with Catherine Lhamon, Obama's Title IX czar, back in her old position, there's little reason for optimism.
Anyone concerned by the extent to which two people can destroy each other's lives and reputations when given the opportunity to air their grievances should be against this return to form.
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Bitches like her should content themselves to being the fuck toy for a rich guy.
She was worth 7 million or so prior to getting married. She was not doing too shabby for herself (coming from someone who has retired twice and is still not worth 1 million). That the two of them acted so *NUTS* to each other and in general, allows me to watch/ignore their marriage and divorce and legal wrangling with minimal swings of my emotions but I have gotten the occasional chuckle from them. Whatever happened to the people who used to entertain by playing a character *on screen* and just sort of lived a good life in private away from the screen? Sorry I know narcissists flow towards a lifestyle of rabid 24/7 attention so this craziness is what results.
Brahe wants the ultra rich lifestyle. She isn’t a good enough actress to make that kind of money on her own. So she needs to be a hot fucktoy for someone really rich. Look how she tried to get her claws into Musk.
She should stay in her lane.
The funniest part to me is that Heard never gave the $3.5M to the ACLU, in spite of having apparently sworn in a UK trial or deposition that she had; I saw some mention of perjury charges should she ever return to the UK.
Otherwise, yeah, just entertainment. They both come across as terrible neighbors.
Sorry, but the accusations came from a woman. Drop should be behind bars and all his money goes to Amber. #beliveallwomeneventhecrazies
Never give them your true name and never, ever take them back to your place.
No, Depp was right to sue. He lost movie contracts to her accusations. The trial is the only reason his reputation isn't still in tatters. Forcing the facts into the public record, where rumors an insinuations are harder to push, is an undeniable benefit to him that dwarfs his legal costs, even if he loses.
It's right to sue liars when they lie. And she is an astonishing liar.
Reason being staffed by journalists, all of whom are liars, disagree and think no one should ever be sued for lying lest they ever be held accountable for their lies.
Depp needs the money too, apparently.
Me too proved that women never lie about rape or domestic abuse. Lock up Depp and throw away the key.
Neither of them have come off looking particularly good--both are clearly a couple of high-drama drug addicts--but that's not what's at issue here. As you said, what's at issue is the damage she did to his career, and whether she lied about it because she's a vindictive nutbag. And she's done a pretty effective job of torching her credibility during this trial.
This should also be an object lesson that, if you stick your dick in crazy, make sure it doesn't go beyond a one-night stand of freaky-deaky sex; don't get involved with them, and for God's sake, definitely don't marry them.
Absolutely. With no defamation suit it just looks like he sexually abused her, and any protests on his part would he deemed worthless.
When the Title IX stuff reverts back, I would advise any guy who has sex with a girl, gurl, or another guy, to immediately file a grievance with the college Department of Grievance Mongering. Apparently, if you report it first, you get all the benefits and the other party gets screwed.
You only get the benefit if you lack a penis.
You identify as a chick when you file. Puts the Grievance Mongering Department in a quandary about who to support. First claim in gets the cheese.
I don't like this at all, and wish we'd not cover it. I really dislike cult of personality stuff, all the more when this is so ugly and personal.
Look, this is just one single case, and there's no broader implications or narrative to take from it. It's just worth remembering that women can sometimes be abusers in heterosexual relationships.
The reason it's so salacious is that Heard makes outlandish and constantly-changing claims (Robby, her story sounds like that famous Rolling Stones story you've covered). She had testified to being completely naked in Australia after Depp tore off her nightgown, and she was constantly tripping over broken bottles on the floor, slipping on broken glass. Her feet would have been bleeding all over the place. She testified to being penetrated with a whiskey bottle while Depp had his hand wrapped around her throat, pinning her down on a bar, after he'd chopped off the tip of his own finger.
I can believe stuff like this does happen, the kinds of horrors that are usually reserved for movies. But Heard is constantly in the public eye, she's a celebrity, there's barely a day in her life when she was not photographed. She testified to at least three separate occasions when he broke her nose, but she never sought medical treatment or plastic surgery for her flawless model's nose, and there's never any photo where there's any swelling or blood, despite the thousands of photos she took every week.
This isn't a case about some larger phenomenon, it's a single case about an outrageous and incredible liar. Among the things she has lied about, and lied repeatedly, is that she has donated her divorce settlement to the ACLU and to a Children's hospital. To date, she has made one single payment to both of those, for 10% of the amount. Elon Musk later made a $500,000 payment for each on her behalf, which accounts for most of the money she's actually paid into those charities, even though she continues to go around and claim that she's already paid/donated the money. She's potentially facing charges of perjury in the UK for claiming she already donated the money.
Depp is no angel. He yells, he gets drunk, he passes out, he shows up late to film due to his drug binges, and he's trashed a condo or two. (Also interestingly, Amber let slip that it was her own sister who taught Johnny Depp how to snort cocaine, and nobody testified that he ever used cocaine prior to his relationship with Amber, who had cocaine usage that predated that relationship-one might imagine she was the one that got him hooked on that particular substance) The damages claimed are really tenuous on legal grounds because Depp's career was on the decline anyway. But that's not why people are following this story, they're following it because Heard wanted to become a public ambassador for battered spouses when all indications show that she was incredibly abusive toward him, including shattering his finger with a vodka bottle.
This isn't a case about some larger phenomenon,
I disagree with this. The larger phenomenon is when you provide a weapon without constraint on its use some people will use it when it isn't warranted.
Every individual case should be judged on its own merits. There's not going to be many cases where someone is as blatant a liar as Amber Heard is, so trying to generalize this into some bigger narrative is foolhearty.
I mean, for Christ's sake, she testified he was kneeling on her back and slamming her face repeatedly into a table (or maybe it was the floor). She's made claims about things that would cause horrific facial injuries to a woman who makes her living off of her pretty face, and yet she can't show injuries. Ever. That's sensational, it draws headlines. You can't generalize that to every case where there's murky, questionable facts because Heard's bullshit is obvious and shameless.
How extremely obvious it is that the things she said couldn't have happened, yet she was still deemed credible enough for Disney to cancel a contract with Depp, is why this story is part of a larger narrative. MeToo is a movement that the female accuser must be assumed right and any questioning of any aspect of her story no matter how obviously ridiculous is victim blaming and rape apology. Such an extreme stance will result in rampant abuse, and should have clear lines drawn to how it protects abusers and is an inherently pro abuse philosophy.
I'm not interested in judging cases, I don't give two shits about either of these people nor do I follow this closely enough to judge the specifics. I'm interested in defeating the societal norm that MeToo and Title IX are appropriate frameworks to judge interpersonal conflict, which does effect people worth caring about. I assert this principle in any circumstance even when someone distasteful like Depp is the beneficiary.
MeToo asserts we should Believe All Women (which the Biden exception proved was always a politically driven lie). Depp is famous enough that it seems to be acceptable to defend him as well. But Joe Average gets hosed, that's the problem with handwaving the issue. The outcome here is going to be applied to a great many people with no wealth or platform to defend themselves. To prevent that we have to defeat this framework in the cases we do have.
The trend here is the same as it's always been, though. Not all accusations are made equal, and some accusations are true. The only thing you can learn from this is the idea that's the entire basis of our legal system: accusations aren't proof, and wait to see the evidence.
There's no broader moment happening here that you can't say about every single accusation we hear.
The trend here is the same as it's always been,
This is obviously false. There is a specific effort by feminists and their leftist allies to change how these cases are judged and what the penalties are.
The only thing you can learn from this is the idea that's the entire basis of our legal system: accusations aren't proof, and wait to see the evidence.
This is exactly what the extreme left is trying to change, largely successfully since they have near total control of our institutions. They want judgement made based on the victim hierarchy rather than the facts of the case. Believe All Women does not suggest looking at facts. Likewise Title IX training specifically rejects obvious indications of lying such as changing stories when independent evidence incontrovertibly contradicts the initial assertion, the result being the ability to retrofit any accusation after the fact.
There's no broader moment happening here
This is one high-profile instance of a much broader trend.
This is obviously false. There is a specific effort by feminists and their leftist allies to change how these cases are judged and what the penalties are.
I agree. That's going on irrespective of the Depp/Heard allegations. And the prescription is the same: every case has to be examined on its merits. We all hate wife-beaters, but not every man accused of beating his wife is a wife beater.
If you want a shining moment of bullshit allegations, you can look back at the Kavanaugh hearings. It was a case where a man with a very clean record of respecting women was suddenly a gang rapist. But that was enlightening about how shameless the media was for entertaining that nonsense when it was obvious bullshit. We've known for a long time that women make shit up to discredit ideological opponents because it happened to Clarence Thomas as well.
I don't think there's anything to more to learn from this case that you shouldn't have learned at least four years ago.
I suppose if you've been living under a rock and this is the first time you've ever seen a woman weaponize a false claim against a former partner, then sure, this case is big. But it's honestly not novel. That's why I said there's no "Big Moment" here-the big moment already happened years ago. If you're taking lessons from this particular, they're probably the wrong lessons.
Actually accusations are proof in the metoo era. The only way to get justice is to jail Depp immediately.
Right, this is in no way a refutation of the "believe all women" mantra pushed by the left. This is an unfortunate aberration and we should of course believe all women regardless of how outlandish their claims, got it. That's a bit overly harsh, but the broader and welcome context is the retreat from uncritical belief of victims and back toward the idea of believing the truth, not the critical theory victim of choice.
I just don't see "believe all women" as something that needs to be refuted. It's obviously bullshit to the degree that some of the most significant figures in #MeToo have had to acknowledge false accusations when they happen to them, or to their family.
I don't see this trial as breaking new ground in the slightest, it's just extra spicy and salacious because Amber Heard is fucking insane with the shit she makes up.
There's not going to be many cases where someone is as blatant a liar as Amber Heard is,
If you followed Title IX you would not say this. Unbalanced institutions tend to drive extremism because the craziest story receives the most positive feedback. The is how the UVA rape case happened, which was even more impossible than this but was widely believed and un-criticized within the feminist movement.
Cults and feminists (among other extreme social groups) apply the same strategy. People looking to join as often social outcasts. Cult membership includes emotional bonding and a sense of place in society in exchange for loyalty. You can't prove loyalty by believing in gravity. You prove loyalty by disputing reality to conform to the cult belief system.
So the Kavanaugh gang rapes happened in your world?
He’s always been an asshole. One of his movies was shot just a few miles from where I live. Several friends of mine worked on the film on various capacities and all said that he was regularly a loud volatile abusive asshole. This was many, many years before anyone had ever heard of Heard.
Also interestingly, Amber let slip that it was her own sister who taught Johnny Depp how to snort cocaine, and nobody testified that he ever used cocaine prior to his relationship with Amber, who had cocaine usage that predated that relationship-one might imagine she was the one that got him hooked on that particular substance
Yeah, he was already an addictive personality, and I'm sure Winona could confirm what he was on if they ever brought her on the stand, but he seems to have largely gotten his life straightened out after he and Vanessa Paradis got together, and that relationship ending took away the one thing that kept him somewhat grounded.
Honestly, one of the funnier parts of the trial is that old-ass bag Ellen Barkin heavily emphasizing for the court that Depp was jackhammering her during her MILF years in the late 90s.
Robby's mistake here is trying to distinguish between using MeToo as a weapon and a legitimate MeToo focused on actual crimes and abuses. But in reality MeToo, like Title IX, was always intended as a weapon. Actual crimes and abuse is already actionable under the law and thus these newly developed tools are not necessary in those circumstances.
What we see in the Heard case [and essentially all Title IX cases] are these tools used to inflict emotional revenge when an encounter or romance does not develop as the woman desires. In the feminist view equity demands that if women can be emotionally damaged they deserve a weapon to ensure men can also be damaged. Since men have "the patriarchy" women deserve the ability to ruin men's lives in return if they so desire.
I think the biggest thing about this trial is that it is opening people's eyes to women being the perpetrators of domestic abuse. My wife had her eyes opened to how common it is and that shitty women will lie and abuse their female privilege to destroy men.
In a sense, this seems to be a typical metoo story in that a woman exaggerates or outright lies to hurt a man. In another sense it can be a rallying call for men to justifiably say metoo regarding domestic abuse.
The takeaway for me is just how immature some people are, and the sense of entitlement they develop. The first Title IX case I read about was a guy whose accuser had hooked up with him several times as a freshman but then both moved on. There was no indication of bad blood. But then as a senior she found out he was going on the same trip abroad as she was and filed a Title IX claim so his presence wouldn't ruin the trip she was looking forward to. She totally F'ed up his life because she didn't want to deal with him on her idyllic trip.
When you see shit like this it helps explain why we developed codes for sexual behavior, especially among young people. This girl needed someone to tell her if she can't deal with people after a sexual encounter she's too immature to have sexual encounters.
terrible actress.
I don't know what Elon Musk saw in her.
Yes I do.
She should go ahead and do porn while anyone would still want to see it.
Going from Aquaman to porn is a big step up.
the costume would be a plus.
With an easy access modification so she can do an airtight scene.
As The New Republic's Natalie Shure explains in a perceptive piece about the trial:
You had me...
I realize that nitpicking a victim's story...fills up several chapters of the patriarchal playbook
...aaaand you lost me.
Yeah, holding women to basic requirements for honesty is just pure patriarchy.
Why do modern feminists seem to think women are so dramatically inferior to men?
It's about equality--they actually believer there's never any consequences when men lie, so they think they should be allowed to lie with impunity.
fills up several chapters of the patriarchal playbook
What, you never got your copy of The Playbook?
This wasn't so much a trial as the only acting gig these two could get. Depp looked like he was about to say "line?" half the time, and Heard was obviously given a script to memorize.
Heard SHOULD have been given a script. Her problem is that she kept going off-script. She can't keep the facts straight.
Did you see the shrink that testified for her yesterday? Holy fuck.
I'd say he's an embarrassment to the field of Psychiatry, but then I remember just how embarrassing that field is already. My favorite part was when he argued that Depp is likely an abuser because he's a narcissist, and when ask to prove that Depp is a narcissist, he said, "Well, I'd include the fact that he's an abuser." Great circular logic and arguing backward from a conclusion.
And his own lack of understanding about the APA's own standards for offering expert opinions was insane.
Facts are irrelevant. The only fact that matters is that an allegation was made, so guilt has been established.
'....Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out....' That appears to be the only relevant portion of the article that 'accuses' him and him alone of being a domestic abuser while she is completely 'innocent'.
He has never written he is holier than thou or claimed to be a public figure representing domestic abuse, but the evidence is overwhelming she has not told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so I think she's libeled him and should pay.
If he wins and she loses would I hire him back to any of those franchises? Do I look that stupid?
So in Robby's mind the real problem here is Depp fighting back and not the actions and lies from Heard.
That doesn't mean that filing suit was the correct response on Depp's part, though. The defamation bar is extremely high, and Depp could lose even if he is broadly correct that Heard's abusive behavior is equal to or worse than his own.
Robby is clearly overlooking the fact that their divorce included an NDA, and Depp's filing for defamation might be the only way to get out his own side of the story. Even if he loses the case he's won, in that he's convinced a lot of people that he isn't an abuser. This case has been fantastic for PR. And if you're a high profile figure who makes a living on your reputation, filing a lawsuit may be the proper remedy if you're falsely accused since it gives you a chance to clear the air.
I don't think it's going to start a trend where actual victims are going to be scared to come forward as a result of one woman who is an obvious liar.
"the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) actually wrote the op-ed, with Heard promising to give the organization $3.5 million from her divorce settlement."
I knew that they had become whores who'd do anything for a buck, but wow!
"and the public can't seem to look away."
Is that really true? Who are these people? Everyone I have talked to have absolutely no interest at all.
By public they mean the MSM. By and large I believe you are correct. The only reason most people even glance at it is because of the prevalence of stories. On the gossip scale it’s only a 4 or so with salacious tidbits sparking a comment here and there because of the extremist nature of something. 7 days after this trial ends people will be Amber who? John Dip?
Does defamation standard change a bit if I'm directly suing the person accusing me of abuse, rather than a publication reporting on that allegation?
Either my accuser is telling the truth or he or she is knowingly lying. I would still have to prove damages but that shouldn't so hard.
Hey Soave, how much did AH's new PR guy pay you to include a quote on the bullshit imperfect victim line they pushed to at least 7 different media outlets over the weekend and then had their complete hack of a psychiatrist push on the stand?
The only remedy Depp had was a defamation lawsuit, especially since winning the lawsuit was a secondary consideration. The primary consideration was exposing AH for the lying abuser she is. Hell, she and her legal team submitted into evidence not one, but AT LEAST two forged photos into evidence along with the original copies. You have to be a special kind of stupid to do that.
Do we need celebrity gossip on Reason? I don't.
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