Twitch Removed the Buffalo Shooter's Livestream in 2 Minutes
Maybe it's not a good idea for the government to prohibit all viewpoint-based moderation on social media.

A white teenager opened fire on a supermarket in a black neighborhood in Buffalo, New York, on Saturday. At least 10 people were killed and three were wounded. Most of the victims were black.
The alleged killer, 18-year-old Payton Gendron, released a lengthy manifesto outlining his white supremacist and anti-Semitic beliefs. He claimed that he was radicalized by reading online about the "great replacement theory," the conspiratorial idea that ethnic Europeans are gradually going extinct as part of a plot by immigrants and Jewish people.
Gendron, who was taken into custody, livestreamed the beginning of his attack on Twitch. The social media company confirmed that it removed the live footage in the first two minutes.
"We are devastated to hear about the shooting that took place this afternoon in Buffalo, New York," said the company in a statement. "Our hearts go out to the community impacted by this tragedy. Twitch has a zero-tolerance policy against violence of any kind and works swiftly to respond to all incidents. The user has been indefinitely suspended from our service, and we are taking all appropriate action, including monitoring for any accounts rebroadcasting this content."
Most people will probably recognize this as the right move for Twitch, but it's worth pointing out that such a decision might very well have been illegal under a controversial Texas social media law that was revived by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals last week. That law, HB 20, permits users to sue social media sites for practicing viewpoint-based "censorship."
"A social media platform may not censor a user, a user's expression, or a user's ability to receive the expression of another person based on: (1) the viewpoint of the user or another person; (2) the viewpoint represented in the user's expression or another person's expression; or (3) a user's geographic location in this state or any part of this state," the law reads.
Buffalo is in New York, not Texas, so the law wouldn't have applied. But HB 20 was approved by a Republican legislature, and is being defended in court by Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton, an important conservative figure who enjoys the support of former President Donald Trump. The law is, in other words, exactly the kind of thing that the new anti-tech consensus on the right would like to implement everywhere in order to fight back against alleged censorship of their ideas.
But the horrific events of Saturday show that viewpoint is an inherently broad term. The alleged shooter possessed a political viewpoint; it's a psychotic and violent viewpoint, but a viewpoint nonetheless. If private social media companies want to disallow such speech, why should the government prevent them?
https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1525630093858525184
Techdirt's Mike Masnick pointed out that Democrats attempted to include a provision in the bill specifically exempting content that promotes "domestic terrorist acts," but Republicans nixed it. One can understand why: Domestic terrorism is a murky term that undoubtedly encompasses some edgy but legitimate political speech. The question is this: Who gets to decide these boundaries?
It may not always be ideal for social media companies to do so, but substituting their judgment for the judgments of legislators, and ultimately, trial attorneys—as in the case of HB 20—is a recipe for a much worse internet: an internet that is poorly equipped to handle tragedies like the one in Buffalo.
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Robbie take on a psycho lefty shooting up black people is that Texas is bad for wanting more free speech, got it
Lefty?
Self-identified as such in his manifesto.
Got it. Thanks
He states in his manifesto he grew up communist and moved slightly right to become a moderate left authoritarian.
Jeff and shrike have been lying about him being a right winger all day though.
Because to those two totally not leftists, all bad things are done by those on the right.
all bad things are done by those on the right.
Nope. Team Blue does plenty of bad things as well.
Such as?
It’s not about left and right, it’s about right and wrong. You retards are easily distracted.
The article advocates censorship of a psychopath.
I say, what are you afraid of? He has no credibility. Everyone already knows he’s a psychopath.
It would help to hear why, in his own words. To identify other psychopaths.
Maybe he was more concerned about left and right, than right and wrong.
The left is consistently wrong. Like your authoritarian socialist pal Hitler.
Look at George W Bush. Hahaha.
WMD
Lying Jeffy isn’t a lefty. This comment was just a random comment.
Yeah, according to you:
- Team Blue wears socks with sandals.
- Team Red is worse than Hitler.
Nope, I would say it's more like this:
Team Blue has a few decent ideas, but also some pretty awful ideas.
Team Red has a few decent ideas, but also some pretty awful ideas.
What really distinguishes them in my mind is the general approach to governance. I simply see Team Red as less willing to use evidence-based, fact-based approaches to crafting public policy, and I find that disappointing.
Do tell, what sort of recent policies advocated by Team Blue have shown their commitment to considering evidence and facts in crafting policy? To me, it looks like a tribe of unmitigated feel-goodism.
It's unfortunately impossible to evaluate what exactly this moron meant by identifying as a "populist" or as a "left-wing authoritarian," since the original document has been taken down. We are forced, instead, to deal with the talking points being parroted by people who haven't read the manifesto, either.
But it should suffice to observe that this kid didn't target a grocery store in a predominantly Black neighborhood because he believed in a robust welfare state or equal rights for trans kids. He targeted those shoppers because he feared that Blacks were "replacing" whites in this country, and was angry about the benefits the Black community has received from the various governments.
So the constant repetition of this point - he's a self-identified "lefty"! - is irrelevant, and in fact is a sly misdirection. Because people cite his political leanings to deflect blame from the right-wing... only to go on and affirm the truth of the "replacement theory" that actually motivated him, and is being repeated by countless right-wing pundits even in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
If there is anything the antisocial, disaffected, bigoted, shambling adolescents (of all ages) at 4chan are known for, it is self-awareness with respect to their deplorable lives and rigorous honesty with respect to material posted online.
Same problem occurred when the Unabomber was trying to blow stuff up. Turned out his moronic manifesto was what it took to identify him as soon as it hit the stands. (The guy is really into the initiation of force, just like over 90% of all voters shows votes get counted). The fool who shot people at Walmart likewise imagined the initiation of force some sort of panacea for all ills. The upside is that there are lots of truculent blacks where this latest idjit is headed, je je je...
His ideology is 100% leftist totalitarianism, like Simon's.
Are you saying that despite slavery, the Civil War, Dredd Scott, Jim Crow, the KKK, voter suppression, Segregation, and opposition to the Civil Rights Act straight down the party line - along with welfare reforms that have had the effect of destroying the Black communities across the country, that white supremacy is only a right-wing thing?
Is white superiority the same as white supremacy? Asking for some upper middle class wine box moms.
Civil rights act was signed into law by a democratic president. The things you listed were supported by southern conservatives. They overwhelmingly vote GOP today.
James Eastland, Strom Thurmond, and all the Confederate traitors would be Republicans today.
"Civil rights act was signed into law by a democratic president..."
Does cherry picking pay much, steaming pile of lefty shit?
"...James Eastland, Strom Thurmond, and all the Confederate traitors would be Republicans today..."
Assertions from steaming piles of lefty shit =/= argument or evidence.
Fuck off and die.
What happened to “Asshole flag” Sevo?
Civil rights act was signed into law by a democratic president
Eisenhower was not a Democrat.
The things you listed were supported by southern Democrats.
FTFY
Do you think the Democratic Party of today is the same as the Democratic Party of the 1850's?
Do you think the Republican Party of today is the same as the Republican Party of the 1850's?
Here is an excerpt from one of the party platforms from 1856. Guess if you can figure out which one it is.
1. That the Federal Government is one of limited power, derived solely from the Constitution; and the grants of power made therein ought to be strictly construed by all the departments and agents of the government; and that it is inexpedient and dangerous to exercise doubtful constitutional powers.
2. That the Constitution does not confer upon the General Government the power to commence and carry on a general system of internal improvements.
3. That the Constitution does not confer authority upon the Federal Government, directly or indirectly, to assume the debts of the several States, contracted for local and internal improvements, or other State purposes; nor would such assumption be just or expedient.
4. That justice and sound policy forbid the Federal Government to foster one branch of industry to the detriment of any other, or to cherish the interests of one portion to the injury of another portion of our common country; that every citizen and every section of the country has a right to demand and insist upon an equality of rights and privileges, and to complete and ample protection of persons and property from domestic violence or foreign aggression.
5. That it is the duty of every branch of the Government to enforce and practice the most rigid economy in conducting our public affairs, and that no more revenue ought to be raised than is required to defray the necessary expenses of the Government, and for the gradual but certain extinction of the public debt.
The democrat party today still supports segragation based on race.
Why are you in such denial?
Sure, some do. Just like some Republicans do.
Point out the Democratic politician that's against race-based hiring and affirmative action.
I don't know. Maybe none of them do. But you understand that supporting affirmative action is not the same as supporting racial segregation, right?
There's a bunch of different options on how the law should deal with race:
1. The law should be completely color-blind with regards to race.
2. The law should take race into consideration in order to try to correct past racial injustices.
3. The law should take race into consideration in order to oppress racial minorities.
It's my opinion that Republicans, by and large, claim to be at #1, while Democrats, by and large, are not at #1, and are closer to #2. However, option #2 is not the same as option #3. Neither party is at #3 at an institutional level.
But you understand that supporting affirmative action is not the same as supporting racial segregation, right?
No grasshopper, it is.
Collectivist Jeffy defends race based politics. If he didn’t, he’d attack Hank, but he’s not allowed to do that. Because he’s paid to defend people like Hank.
But maybe you could answer the question.
Is the Democratic Party of today the same as the Democratic Party of the 1850s?
Is the Republican Party of today the same as the Republican Party of the 1850s?
The Republican party is significantly greedier and stupider. The Democratic Party was evil then and it's extraordinarily evil now.
At the current moment the Democrats pose a far greater danger to liberty and anything close to a free, open society and market economics.
I'd say they support it again, after opposing it for a decade or two when it seemed to be politically advantageous to do so.
-jcr
Dems. The General improvements were the "American" system of protective high tariffs and government spending to buy votes in places like Illinois. The assumption of debts was an issue with Texas' admission to the Union, but I believe balking was overcome when it joined as a slave state a decade earlier. Maybe Kansas wanted federal assumption of its debts? That last line in #4 is like original Libertarian platform language. The last line in #5 echoes dissatisfaction with protectionism and securitization of federal debt.
Ding ding ding, you are correct.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1856-democratic-party-platform
But reading that platform through modern eyes, you would think it was written by a Republican think-tank.
The fact of the matter is, in the 1850's, the Democratic Party was the right-wing party. They were socially conservative and fiscally conservative. It was the Republican Party that was the SJW crowd of the day, willing to go to war if necessary in order to eliminate a social and moral evil.
There's nothing moral about SJW's.
Castrating children, late-term abortion, pedophilia, race-baiting and encouraging segregation are purely evil stances.
Don't you dare equate today's Moloch worshippers to the abolitionists.
Do you even know what the phrase "social justice" actually means? Hint: It is not tied to a specific set of policies.
Do you even know what the phrase "social justice" actually means? Hint: It is not tied to a specific set of policies.
Well, yeah, cultural marxism has always been a malleable ideology.
So what precisely is cultural Marxism, from your perspective?
So what precisely is cultural Marxism, from your perspective?
Appealing to pedantry again, I see.
There's about 50 years worth of scholarship that you can indulge in, but Marcuse tends to be the godfather of most of it, embodying the shift from the economic to the cultural realm within the New Left during that time.
I ask because, in common use, the phrase "cultural Marxism" is used rather sloppily. Kinda like "fascism" or "racism".
Would you consider this article to be a fair description of what you mean?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/just-because-anti-semites-talk-about-cultural-marxism-doesnt-mean-it-isnt-real
Would you consider this article to be a fair description of what you mean?
Why lazily pull up a commentary article when you can go right to the source? Start with "Repressive Tolerance" and "Counterrevolution and Revolt."
Or, you could try a more recent work by another prominent scholar:
Mapping the Margins: Intersectionality, Identity Politics, and Violence against Women of Color Author(s): Kimberle Crenshaw Source: Stanford Law Review, Vol. 43, No. 6 (Jul., 1991), pp. 1241-1299
It was the Republican Party that was the SJW crowd of the day, willing to go to war if necessary in order to eliminate a social and moral evil.
The GOP didn't go to war with the South to free the slaves, you idiot. They went to war because the South fired on a Union military garrison.
Other than a few Boston Brahmins like the Shaws, the vast majority of Union soldiers didn't give a squirt of piss for the slaves.
The SJW abolitionists within the Republican Party were willing to go to war if necessary to free the slaves. Example: John Brown's Raid. Is that clear enough for you?
The SJW abolitionists within the Republican Party were willing to go to war if necessary to free the slaves. Example: John Brown's Raid. Is that clear enough for you?
Fuckin' hilarious that you would choose that as your evidence:
"You charge that we stir up insurrections among your slaves. We deny it; and what is your proof? Harper’s Ferry! John Brown!! John Brown was no Republican; and you have failed to implicate a single Republican in his Harper’s Ferry enterprise."
You can google who said that.
Oh I'm aware that Lincoln and the Republicans denied having anything to do with John Brown, the whole thing was quite scandalous at the time. I don't think it's too hard to guess though whom John Brown would have voted for in 1860.
Oh I'm aware that Lincoln and the Republicans denied having anything to do with John Brown, the whole thing was quite scandalous at the time. I don't think it's too hard to guess though whom John Brown would have voted for in 1860.
Speculation isn't fact, and the reality is that Brown found the high-brow urban abolitionists of the early GOP to be far too moderate for his liking.
https://reason.com/2022/05/13/netflix-dave-chappelle-artistic-expression-company-culture/?comments=true#comment-9494363
I think you argument rests on a logical fallacy.
It goes something like this:
Progressives believe minorities are inferior.
The Democrats of the 1850s believed minorities are inferior.
Therefore the Democrats of the 1850s are Progressives.
But this is a fallacy: it is a type of the Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_the_undistributed_middle
More succinctly illustrated with the following fallacy:
All cats have two eyes.
Humans have two eyes.
Therefore humans are cats.
It is also easily disproved by noting that in 1850's America, virtually every white person believed minorities were inferior. Including Lincoln himself.
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/the-lincoln-douglas-debates-4th-debate-part-i/
So, a belief that minorities are inferior is not unique to Progressivism. Instead it was simply accepted wisdom of the time. What the early 20th century Progressives tried to do is to attempt to explain perceived racial differences with scientific methods.
But going back to the original point, reading that platform through today's eyes, particularly the portion I quoted, it is quite plainly NOT what the Democratic Party of today would advocate. Keep taxes low? Pay down the national debt? The Federal government can't spend money on infrastructure? That is complete 180 degrees opposite of what Biden & Co. are advocating right now, and it is much closer to what the Republican Party of today currently advocates for.
Furthermore, the South's defense of slavery was fundamentally based on a socially conservative premise: because that's how things were meant to be. That's how things have always been. Slavery was the norm of human existence up until very recently at that time. As any social conservative of today would argue, if an institution has been around for thousands and thousands of years, it must be doing something right, and overturning thousands of years of tradition based on modern conceits is fraught with peril. And then they threw in crude biological rationalizations and Biblical scripture into the mix to justify slavery.
The Democratic Party of the 1850s was right-wing by today's standards.
By contrast, the Republican Party of the 1850s and 1860s wasn't socially conservative and they weren't fiscally conservative either. They instituted the first income tax. They created the first land-grant colleges, the first intervention of the federal government into education. They gave direct subsidies to railroads to build rail lines. They were the ones who wanted to use muscular federal government power to enact economic and social change. We would correctly identify them as progressives today.
Progressives believe minorities are inferior.
The Democrats of the 1850s believed minorities are inferior.
Therefore the Democrats of the 1850s are Progressives.
This is not based on assumptions. This is what they've said. This is what's apparent in their actions.
The Republicans at the birth of their party were NOT conservative. They had no traditions to conserve. They were new. They were BUILDING then the ideas that they try to conserve NOW.
And those ideas did not include the rampant collectivism of the Democrats, that horrific idea that allows for societal stratification and slavery.
'Conservative' does not mean 'right wing'. Conservatives conserve the ideas they support, the traditions they value. Democratic conservatives harken back to Roosevelt and Wilson, to wartime socialism. And further, to the elites owning literally everything, land people and means of production. And it is a status quo they pursue with vigor.
A status quo that the right stands in the way of.
There are pictures of it online as people have downloaded it. But keep protecting your team at all costs.
Where are these pictures?
In yesterday's comments, you lazy fuck. Do you want us to do your fifty-centing work here too?
Just checked - nope not there.
Oh but wait, there is a link to a tweet that has a screenshot of one page of the manifesto. That's it.
Where's the manifesto itself?
You almost had rational, critical thought, w/o your typical bias, until the third paragraph.
Nope. He’s a leftist.
Clearly, a guy repeating Tucker Carlson talking points is a lefty. /sarc
Umm. He didnt. Maybe stop repeating msnbc talking points. Lol.
Just in case you aren't familiar:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/09/28/fox-news-tucker-carlson-adl-great-replacement-theory-reactions/5897547001/
Right and left are Euphemese for christian national socialism and pagan or less-christian international socialism. Both are socialist, collectivist and anti-libertarian so Tucker and Bernie fit that force-initiating altruist spectrum just fine. It's libertarians that don't.
Take your meds, grandpa.
They need to turn his morphine drip all the way up. To end our pain here.
You mean "leftist"? You say "lefty shooter", I think left-handed.
If lefty still means anarchist-communist-altruist-socialist, what better way to help sell the idea of doing away with the Second Amendment? All these fanatics accomplish is to help secure the passage of broader Kristallnacht laws. Recall that those nazi laws were passed after a youth shot a German National Socialist. It was the pretext totalitarianism had been hoping for--only the Gestapo had guns.
Don't worry, be happy! Saint Babbitt will SAVE us ALL!
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
You’re a real piece of work.
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out. Karma is a bitch! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
Refute it, bitch!
This was a false flag intended to push the Orwellian disinformation board that Biden wants so bad. Look what happens when people get told false information.
Did anyone notice the kid said he didn’t do it?
Whoa! Check your LSD dosage!
"The so-called “manifesto” of the terrorist included a lot of the standard tropes of the far right, including the so-called Great Replacement Theory. Often linked to antisemitism, this conspiracy theory holds that “the Left” is supporting “open borders” to replace the “original people” with “immigrants”, who are inferior and therefore easier to control. Variants of this theory go back to at least the original Populists of the mid-19th century, but in its current iteration it has been around since the start of the 1980s postwar far right in Europe.
When I started to study the far right in the early 1990s, similar theories were pushed by radical right parties like the Dutch Center Party or the French National Front. At that time, these parties polled in the single digits and were kept out of political coalitions and the media by a so-called cordon sanitaire. Today, these actors and ideas have become part of the political mainstream."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/16/republicans-are-fueling-extremism-and-terror-like-the-buffalo-shooting
Uh huh, right…..
This guy is a leftist. He’s violent, jus t like the rest of you. Like your Bernie brother pal who nearly murdered Steve Scalise. And just like your fellow travelers in antifa, and BLM.
Payton Gendron whines that he objects to replacement.
But Gendron -- like all bigoted, on-the-spectrum, backwater, right-wing clingers -- will be replaced. By his betters.
"...But Gendron -- like all bigoted, on-the-spectrum, backwater, right-wing clingers -- will be replaced. By his betters..."
We can assume some mouth-breather will the 'better" replacing you, asshole bigot?
"like all bigoted, on-the-spectrum, backwater, left-wing clingers"
Fixed that for you, Arty.
Don't misgender his political identification, you transphobe.
“For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs,” the Buffalo manifesto reads
"Left" and "we" are at odds according to the shooter himself. Deepest sympathies with how inconvenient this is.
Y’all don’t be too hard on Artie or he might be the next dumb leftist piece of shit to lose it.
The way to replace him would be to execute him.
But New York state thinks executing people is unconstitutional.
So the best thing would be if President Biden ignores his campaign promises and invokes the federal death penalty, right?
Even if given a death sentence, would take years if not decades before he would be executed. Apparently he was going to blow his head off after the shooting, not sure why they tried to stop him.
1. Should Twitch have taken down the livestream?
2. Should Twitch be required by law to take down the livestream?
3. Should Twitch be forbidden by law from taking down the livestream?
Why take it down? I see violence and gunfire in movies and television shows all day long.
You don't understand, gamer violence is REEEEEEE
/retards.
The game Robby and Jeff are playing is that it isn't already kinda illegal for a perpetrator to livestream the commission of the a crime. That somehow it's currently solely at the discretion of Twitch.
Pretty dumb sleight of hand attempt. A platform banning video of murder seems pretty in line with common decency. Political viewpoint discrimination isn't involved when the content is violence and the commission of crimes. If he wants to talk about issues of viewpoint discrimination then platforms removing the manifesto fits the bill. But we understand content such as that needs to be hidden so the media can claim what they wish to change the narrative
This was my thought as well.
Stopping the live transmission of a violent crime in progress is not “viewpoint discrimination.”
This is definitely a very bad sleight of hand attempt.
4. Should everyone be prohibited from buying Twitch?
Only those approved by the US Disinformation Governance Board should use any form of social media.
I was expecting demands to burn the book the turkey claims to have read. Incidentally, this "race-suicide" hysteria was circulated and amplified by Republican President Theodore Roosevelt in his "race suicide" letters of 18OCT1902 and 03APR1907. TR urged (not explicitly at gunpoint) women to reproduce lest the nation run out of cannon fodder, for the sake of altruism! These letters are reproduced at a conservative blog, progressingamerica.blogger.com
No.
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
His defense lawyer could point to the streaming as "prejudicial" to the client your taxes pay to defend, and raise the spectre of "tainted" juries and demand a change of venue to somewhere less thickly populated with grieving relatives. It's a cinch he's headed to someplace thickly populated with black prisoners with few kind feelings toward nationalsocialist brainwashees. At least there is some justice.
None of it matters - the only thing people watch on Twitch are titty streaming e-girls and moronic socialists.
If you think live streaming murder is political speech, I might have found the root of your problem…
an internet that is poorly equipped to handle tragedies like the one in Buffalo.
The internet's purpose isn't to respond to, or handle, tragedies. It's purpose is to present the information, to the extent legally allowed.
Dude, the purpose of all human organization is to soothe our feelings and achieve ideological goodness.
Wasn't the internet's original purpose to survive a nuclear war and enable Americans to communicate in the aftermath?
Technically, it was to allow academics to exchange papers without having to ship them. (ARPANET)
Then the feds got in and fucked it up. (DARPANET)
Then the democrats took over and chaos reigned. (Al Gore)
Which one of them turned it into primarily a delivery system for pornography?
When the headline said, "Buffalo Shooter," it conjured an entirely different thought in my head. A shooting spree in Buffalo turns out to be a lot more prosaic than someone shooting buffalo in this day and age, which really made me wonder.
Am I the only one who finds this LOL-funny? Treating the video like the act itself?
You'd think Twitch went out and intervened in the shooting. Meanwhile suspending someone's account looks like a hilariously inadequate response to mass murder. "All appropriate action"!
Hey, if even being aware of a visiting speaker, let alone hearing the speech, is violence, then online representation of violence is like mental rape.
"Most people will probably recognize this as the right move for Twitch," but not me! Instead of, "He's coming this way, let's clear out of here," it's, "Wish I knew where he was going next and could respond appropriately, but his video cut off."
Did we learn nothing from Scream?
Never mind that, he was streaming a literal viewpoint — one that could've been life-saving!
Covid is over, Ukraine failed to catch on for a WW3 push among the public, and people's opinions on Roe and abortion are not quite as passionately pro as leftists and pajama class cosmos hoped for... thus it's time to activate the racial terrorist mass shootings.
Hey, if COVID is over, then why the masks in the photo? Someone forget to tell the people in Buffalo?
Have you seen the poll numbers? Gotta pull out all the stops. It'll be interesting to see what the media thinks the lag on Ghislaine Maxwell and Cuomo is before suddenly discovering some GOPer found a pubic hair on his coke can or superficially credibly assaulted a woman 3 decades ago.
This reminds me of a scene in the original Star Trek pilot ‘The Cage’. Where Captain Pike is strangling one of the Talosians. Who uses it’s telepathic powers to create illusions of it becoming a dangerous beast to trick Pike into releasing it.
It didn’t work on Pike, and the it isn’t working on the American people.
Since the great replacement theory, Tucker Carlson's favorite subject, is in the news, here's a very good investigative report into Carlson, how his politics changed from libertarian to nationalist, and also more broadly on how Fox News has transformed into a legitimate news organization into an organization that deliberately stokes outrage and grievance because that's what their audience wants to hear.
https://archive.ph/3Jik8
The news guy made the shooter? Or something.
John Oliver does a Lord Haw Haw number on Tucker, but did not stoop to using him to smear libertarians by association. But do listen to what the GOP and Dems say about each other. They are The Kleptocracy in action.
Now do all the conspiracies about how whitey is trying to exterminate The Black Man.
You mean like Louis Farrakhan? Does he have a prime-time TV show on a major cable channel?
No, but Joy Reid does, on MSNBC.
She does? Do you have a cite for this? I'd be interested in reading it.
Stop asking for cites, you mindless troll. She's a celebrity news personality.
Work the google on the internet machine like a fucking grown up. All the psychotic shit she's ever said is right at your fingertips.
I'm not asking for people who merely say outrageous things. There are an uncountably large number of those. I'm asking about people who, like Tucker Carlson, have advocated for the validity of great replacement theory.
But since you don't have a cite, I'm going to assume that no, you don't have any evidence that she has specifically advocated for the validity of great replacement theory, and you just bring her up as a left-wing agitator as an attempt to BOTH SIDES the discussion.
Another Tony, regularly triggered to the max by tucker but not a single clue about the other side of the coin on CNN/MSNBC doing the same shit.
So where is your link to the "same shit" happening on CNN or MSNBC? In this case, with prime-time cable TV personalities advocating for blacks to kill whitey, or advocating the legitimacy of 'great replacement theory'. Can you find that one?
Tucker advocated racial killing? When?
And Reid's fucking obsession over race is pretty well known. And MSNBC does employ Sharpton, who did cause racial killings in NYC.
Tucker Carlson has never advocated for violence against anyone. You’re the one who needs to post a citation. The left calls for violence all the time.
ChuckSchumer: threatened Gorsuch and Kavanaugh
Maxine Waters: incited democrat drones to aggressively confront Trump staffers
Joy Reid: explained above
Nancy Pelosi: called for uprisings against Trump’s immigration policy
Kamala Harris: in 2020 said ‘protests should not let up’ as her followers rioted, burned and killed across America. Also raising money to bail out the rioters who got arrested.
Do I need to go on?
And a devout follower of Critical Race Theory, which is most accurately described as postmodern nazism.
It’s a radial version of Critical Theory, which is probably more Leninist than Nazi. Although at this point we’re probably splitting hairs.
Do you really need aist of all the race baiting democrats on cable news? How dishonest are you?
No, just the list of left-wing cable news personalities who are advocating "conspiracies about how whitey is trying to exterminate The Black Man." Do you have that list handy? With citations?
How about the ones who are advocating great replacement theory on air?
Do you want to discuss their theories on how police target unarmed black men and kill them in insane numbers (almost double digits once).
Or how Michael Brown had his hands up.
Or how Zimmerman was really white and Trayvon didn't do nothing.
Or how the 2020 riots were really pretty peaceful.
You’re a lying obese douchebag. When Carlson, and many others talk about ‘replacement’ they’re referring to democrat actions that increase the movement of illegals into the US. Displacing US citizens socially, and economically. This includes blacks at least as much as anyone else. So blacks are VICTIMS of replacement. Not perpetrating it. With democrat politicians being the perpetrators. Along with useful idiots like you who obsess about open borders.
So stop with your slander of Tucker Carlson and other right of center Americans.
You mean like Louis Farrakhan? Does he have a prime-time TV show on a major cable channel?
No, like the universities that all your lefty neighbors primp about.
Which university is teaching that whitey is trying to exterminate the Black Man?
It's called critical theory and "whiteness" studies, fat boy, maybe you've heard of it.
Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies
I didn't see where Whiteness Studies says that whitey is trying to exterminate the Black Man.
Probably because you're using Wikipedia.
Okay, so what is a better source for this topic?
Francis Cress Wellsing.
Never hear of her.
Reading her Wikipedia page, she sounds like a real nutjob.
So, what is the connection between her and Whiteness Studies?
More specifically, the vast majority of them.
He does have a Twitter account.
Wasn't there a Trumpanzee sockpuppet here named jimboboiii?
I like how you are ignoring this theory is taught in colleges including Harvard in the 90s and was learned by many in bidens cabinet. Lol
You really have a need to protect your team. That's all you've done today.
This theory was taught at Harvard? Really? Do you have more details on this claim?
Yes. But you have no interest in it. Hint. It was brought up in the last 3 months regarding one of bidens appointees. She wrote a paper on it and an article in the newspaper.
Are you referring to Ketanji Brown Jackson? What did she supposedly do, teach the theory at Harvard in the 90s? Do you have a citation for this?
My hunch is that you are misrepresenting the truth. But hey, feel free to prove me wrong here.
I mean fuck, look at even some of his other nominees like Kristin Clarke who talked about black superiority in college.
You have a special gotm of ignorance.
At this point it is intentional.
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Are you referring to this episode?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/15/story-behind-viral-clip-gop-senator-asking-whether-kristen-clarke-believed-african-americans-are-genetically-superior/
In that article: "She said back then that these views were not her own and that she was being provocative."
But EVEN IF she actually does think that blacks are genetically superior to whites, that is STILL not the same as a belief in great replacement theory.
Do you even understand what this theory is?
Totally not left-leaning though. And a radical individual, not a hivemind member.
And even you were talking about the permanent majority for democrats based on minority growth rates lol.
It was a central tenant of democrats under Obama. Lol.
Jesse, I wasn't even around here during the Obama years.
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Jesse, I wasn't even around here during the Obama years.
You were too busy getting kicked off of Ace of Spades HQ during that time. It’s amazing that you have cultivated the same amount of hate against you here at reason as you did at Ace’s place. You were going on and on about the same shit back then too. Republicans! Waahhhhh!
Oh, are you a commenter at Ace's place? How is he doing anyway?
I was a commenter in good standing at Ace's place right up until they decided to go all-in on Trumpism. No I don't support Trump, I never did. And then when it became clear that Trump was not an aberration, that the Republican Party was going to become the party of paranoid nationalistic xenophobia, then that is when I soured strongly on the Republican Party overall. But up until that point? No problems.
He’s the same rapscallion he’s always been and funny to boot!
Unfortunately for the rest of us you are still the same person you’ve always been, shrill, dishonest, bitter, angry and resentful.
It’s weird how gleeful you are over this shooting. It’s like it made your day and vindicated you at the same time.
You’re an odd duck, Jeff.
I'm not gleeful. I wish these murders had never happened. It's horrible.
“I'm not gleeful.”
LOL.
Goddamn Jeff, you’ve been tap dancing all over those dead people to dunk on Fox News personalities, the “modern Republican Party”, JesseAz and the rest of the Trump loving posters here. Come on man!
Well, I'm being honest. I'm not happy at all that anyone got murdered.
This is a trait of the left-leaning and progressive in-groups. They go well beyond not letting a crisis or horrific event go to waste, they relish the opportunity to use them to smear their sociopolitical opponents. Don't get me wrong, the rightists do this as well, but given the dominance of the 'left' in academe, entertainment media, news media, and on social media, it is the 'left' that is gleeful about atrocities every time.
You weren't?
Here's a comment of yours on Reason from 2016.
Now, here's a toughie -- who was President in 2016?
Wow. I'm surprised you went through the effort to dredge that up. Yes, I popped in and out very occasionally. I think I made my account here sometime in the early 2010's. But I was not a regular commenter here until after 2016.
Man those goalposts move fast.
Well, yes, of course you're surprised, if you had thought you'd be caught in your lie, you would have told some other lie in its place.
Confession via projection, as usual.
Yall love writing articles celebrating the "black and brown" demographic growth that will make "whites" a minority, but you're suddenly oUtRaGeD when people notice...
Cease existing, groomer.
"Uncredited MSNBC analyst dislikes FNC host who blows MSNBC's ratings out of the water"
You didn't know he was an MSNBC analyst? You'd think NYT would have mentioned it if they had a sliver of ethics.
Correction: NYT did mention it. 60 PARAGRAPHS INTO THE FUCKING ARTICLE. Not the first one...the SECOND one.
It's the usual "If you disagree with Leftists, you're racist" BS they've used for decades. They called John McCain a far right racist, too, which shows how serious one should take this.
Do you miss the full information?
https://www.topinfoguide.com/crime/payton-s-gendron-twitch-full-video-jimboboiii-twitch-buffalo-ny-instagram-social-media/
Now do MSNBC and Joy Reid, you leftist hack.
That was for Jeff. Fuck these squirrels.
What did Joy Reid do?
Joy Reid is notorious for saying extremely incendiary things on her show and also on social media. Seriously. Just glance at her twitter feed. It's LOADED with what can only be described as seriously psychotic shit.
Has she advocated for great replacement theory, as Tucker Carlson has done?
she has advocated for much more controversial things, on a regular basis
She is a militant activist, and open racist.
The fact that you are acting completely obtuse to this is telling
I confess, I don't watch MSNBC.
So where did Joy Reid advocate for the validity of 'great replacement theory'? Where has she advocated for blacks to kill whitey?
I get the impression that you all don't watch MSNBC either, and all you know about what happens there is what right-wing media tells you about (in their heavily distorted way).
You've mentioned this repeatedly.
When has Tucket advocated racial killings?
Also, the way you come here non stop asking "but does X person advocate for the great replacement?!?!" stinks very much like when you got on your:
..."OK so you got your info from Dr joe Rogan?!?!" schtick
You wreak of a lefty that got the marching orders from the days talking points then you head to the message boards to distribute.
Useful idiot
Wanting proof of claims and wanting precision in arguments is all that counts now for calling someone a 'lefty'? Huh.
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Stop responding to Jeff. Jeff adds no value to any thread he participates in. His arguments are juvenile, dishonest, and made in bad faith. Responding to him only encourages him to comment more, resulting in comment threads that are hundreds of comments long. It's very annoying to have to scroll through a wall of Jeff's bullshit to find comments that are actually interesting.
Jeff is an idiot and he's not worth engaging with.
If you don't want to read my comments, you can always use the "Mute User" button.
However that's not enough for you, you want to deplatform me. Huh.
I forgot about the mute button. Much better.
And I admit, I've been writing many comments over the past few days. Mainly because I'm procrastinating. Don't worry, when it's deadline time at work again, I'll be scarce.
But I would submit that what really contributes to low signal/noise ratio around here, is when people like Jesse or ML decide to respond to every.single.comment that I write and offer nothing but LOL YOU'RE A LEFTY or YOU'RE A PROGTARD LIAR or other insult which offers absolutely nothing to the discussion at all. Those are a complete waste of electrons.
So, what used to happen is, I would have Jesse and ML on mute, I would write a comment, they would offer their puerile insults, I wouldn't read them or respond to them, and that would be that.
But recently, I have decided to respond and take issue with their behavior. That, more than anything, is what contributes to very long comment threads.
This entire problem could be solved if the junkyard attack dogs like Jesse or the attack poodles like ML would offer comments of substance instead of wasting screen space doing nothing more than generating an immature insult.
Now, I don't want to deplatform them. They have every right to be here. And, very occasionally, they do offer something of substance. But I submit that their overall substantive contributions to the discussions around here are very, very low. I would urge them to make a more concerted effort to be more serious with their contributions.
But you are a lefty.
Your raging right wing hate boner is proof.
I don’t know who is more pleased with the Buffalo shooting, the guy who did it or you?
Having contempt for the modern Republican Party does not make one a lefty. What makes one a lefty is subscribing to lefty views. Which I don't.
That's what's so disgusting about Leftists. Obviously, this was a horrific crime, and a terrible tragedy for the families of the people killed.
But lefties are inmediately all over the social media, raging about Tucker Carlson, and stroking it to thoughts of more gun control.
They're ghouls who are not even secretly gleeful about it whenever anything like this happens. It's revolting.
Is Jeff one of those Grey boxes?
Seconded. The mute feature seems a good option as well. The number of shills and sophists is unfortunate.
Maybe, if your arguments cannot stand up to even the mildest criticism and you find yourself frustrated and resorting to insults, that suggests that your arguments were never very strong in the first place.
Maybe, if your arguments cannot stand up to even the mildest criticism and you find yourself frustrated and resorting to insults, that suggests that your arguments were never very strong in the first place.
Like putting "bad people" in scare quotes when it comes to child molesters.
Like putting "bad people" in scare quotes when it comes to child molesters.
That depends on what you mean by a "bad person". I tend to separate a person's actions, from a person's innate character. A person may do something bad, but that person may or may not be a "bad person", i.e., have an innately bad character.
When it comes to child molestation, which is undoubtedly a horrible crime, there is no doubt that it is a despicable vile act. Does that make the perpetrator a "bad person", i.e., a person with an innately bad character? It could, sure. Or, it could be the person is suffering from mental illness. Or it could be the person is suffering from a trauma. Or it could be the person is simply mentally underdeveloped. So since I don't know the particular details of any specific act, I don't want to condemn a person's soul as evil until I have more information.
So, that is what I mean when I use "bad people" in quotations. It's just easier to use the quotes instead of typing that out every time.
When you have to tie yourself into this kind of rhetorical pretzel to act as an apologist for child molesters, it shows what a useless waste of carbon molecules you are.
Did you cry when your fellow kiddie-raper Rosenbaum was shot?
I'm not apologizing for child molestation. That's a horrible disgusting crime.
But, let's suppose a mentally challenged person molests a child. Obviously the person committed a terrible crime. But would you call the perpetrator a "bad person"? The person may not even have the mental capacity to know that his/her actions were wrong.
I have found that often, situations that on the surface appear to be clear-cut, black-and-white, right-and-wrong, often contain hidden nuance when the details are explored. Not ALWAYS - yes, there are evil people who commit evil crimes and they ought to be condemned as evil - but often enough that I pause to cast sweeping judgment.
Sorry, there's no nuance here.
But, let's suppose a mentally challenged person molests a child. Obviously the person committed a terrible crime. But would you call the perpetrator a "bad person"?
Yes.
The person may not even have the mental capacity to know that his/her actions were wrong.
I don't give a shit. If they don't have the capacity to distinguish between right and wrong, they don't belong in regular society.
I have found that often, situations that on the surface appear to be clear-cut, black-and-white, right-and-wrong, often contain hidden nuance when the details are explored.
That's not the case when it comes to child molestation.
Child molesters are literally bad people. If you can't bring yourself to admit that, then you're an apologist for them.
I see. So, in your mind, what is the distinction between a bad person, and a person who merely commits a bad act? Is there any?
I would argue that the distinction lies in the individual's mens rea. What is the person's state of mind? Does the person *know* that the action is wrong? Is the person purposefully committing the act knowing that it is wrong? If the answer is yes, THAT'S when I would consider the person to be a genuinely bad person, and not just a person who commits a bad act. And that is certainly the case, unfortunately, for a lot of child molesters. But not all. And that is my point.
I see. So, in your mind, what is the distinction between a bad person, and a person who merely commits a bad act? Is there any?
Now you're trying to generalize because you know that simping for child molesters makes you look bad.
I would argue that the distinction lies in the individual's mens rea.
And you'd be full of shit for doing so.
I hope the Reason health plan covers whatever Robbie strained with this overreach.
Censorship of opinion seems to me to be different than violent content. Not sure anyone would disagree that video of a rape should be taken down.
Yeah, Twitch almost certainly took down the stream because of the violent content -- not because of the viewpoint. The difference between content-based and viewpoint-based restrictions is basic textbook law about speech in the US.
Soave should have gotten input from someone who knows law instead of a hot take from a techbro blagger.
ENB frequently cites Mike Masnick. Masnick alternated between explaining how the government needed to regulate the internet and bitching about how Ajit Pai regulated the internet, as if Ajit Pai wasn't the perfect example of government regulating the internet. And now he's bitching about how Texas is regulating the internet. Does he really think the government of Texas isn't the government?
Some ruffian was trying to rape a girl in a Brazilian sex toy shop, and three customers walked in and literally beat him to death. The news feed omitted the final culmination but general sentiment was that the bully deserved it and the scene was karmic as all get-out.
Why? Couldn't people see it and know to avoid that person?
Asian 60%
African 19%
European 17%
Is he wrong?
Smooth-brained take. I've come to expect this from Reason these days, unfortunately.
Does the Texas law allow censoring illegal activity? It wasn't censored because of the viewpoint of the streamer, but because the streamer was live streaming murder.
Concider I g that he didn't kill everyone can we call it "a mostly peaceful trip to the grocery store?"
Has anyone identified this idiot's FBI handler yet? Are the shredders at the Hoover building going at full blast?
According to some sources, his manifesto was basically a cut and paste of the NZ shooter's, but he replaced "Muslim" with "black."
The feds are getting lazy. Can't even write a new manifesto for their new shooters. What are my taxes even paying for?
it's worth pointing out that such a decision might very well have been illegal under a controversial Texas social media law that was revived by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals last week. That law, HB 20, permits users to sue social media sites for practicing viewpoint-based "censorship."
I can't believe anyone is stupid enough to regurgitate the left's fearmongering on this point. All the site has to do is establish and enforce guidelines which do not change based on viewpoint. So if they have a rule against violence they have to enforce it against everyone. There are decades of jurisprudence defining this very issue on a range of topics including the First Amendment.
How do people write such garbage?
How do people write such garbage?
You're assuming Robby gives a shit about the 1A rather than defending fascist tech companies and sticking it to TX Republicans.
They already have rules against violence, and regardless of the Texas law, moderating it is perfectly within their rights and the right thing to do. This whole article is built on a ridiculous strawman premise.
Mr. Soave, is the problem that you're too fucking stupid for the English language to adequately express, or that you're an utterly disingenuous piece of shit who thinks your readers are that stupid?
I mean, seriously. It is incredibly obvious that if some lawyer were stupid enough to try to take an analogous case to court in Texas, TikTok would answer "We didn't take it down because if its viewpoint, we took it down because it was a livestream of murders-in-progress. We move for a dismissal, and sanctions on the lawyer who wasted everybody's time with this nonsense."
Given that it's so obvious, either you are so fucking stupid it's a miracle that you can manage to actually post anything, or you expect your intended audience to be so fucking stupid they can't close the Velcro on their shoes.
Please indicate which, and then try to come up with any plausible explanation why that answer shouldn't result in your ass (which is, apparently, what you think with) being fired.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-15/multiple-people-shot-at-church-in-laguna-woods-o-c-sheriff-says
In other news, someone shot up a church luncheon in CA. 68 year old Asian man in custody for opening fire on a Taiwanese church lunch. The church members hog tied him with extension cords.
Dahyum. No one alerted me to the mass shooter season. I still have my abortion decorations up!
CBS Los Angeles
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#UPDATE: OC Sheriff reveals shooter in Laguna Woods shooting is an Asian man in his 60s. When deputies arrived, he was hogtied by an extension cord after churchgoers detained him and confiscated at least two weapons.
"Only" one person killed. It quotes a cop as saying the assassin might have shot more people if the would-be victims hadn't stopped him (excellent deduction, Holmes!). Also, the congregation has many ex-military and that may account for them reacting promptly to stop the gunman.
So I guess this won't be catalogued as a "mass shooting."
https://twitter.com/bonchieredstate/status/1526012102477070336?t=50jk4hr12Ttw2JfRvfuu6Q&s=19
Beyond parody
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https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1526014131513413632?t=q0HMm_ZxdqOkz4K1FkSqFw&s=19
The car still did it according to Twitter publishing. This is called proving the point.
"Buffalo shooting is part of an ‘epidemic of hate,’ VP Harris says"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA1IpZGWDhw
She has a point; she is hated by a large proportion of the US population, so of course she sees it as an 'epidemic of hate'.
Rational people see her regarded as hateful for the very good reason that she it.
They are constantly moulding us with this relentless bombardment of highlighting we are different and therefore must be separate from each other. The thought of blacks and whites teaming up is their worst nightmare. But it’s not just race, it’s old vs young, m v f, hetero vs lgbt, religion vs atheism, cops vs everyone, rich vs poor, roe vs wade, - whatever identifiable traits you might have will be exploited against you in an effort to further divide the country.
It’s black or white thinking - the same shit cults do get and retain members. Which makes sense, the government has turned into a charismatic leader over its believing subjects. It is the sole arbiter of their truth, and they will defend it as if it were themselves being attacked. Just like believers do.
The government has become a religion.
This would be a great "gotcha" moment if they broadcast only murders committed by communists but not by white nationalists who identify as leftists. That would be viewpoint discrimination.
I presume that Soave has some proof that they engage in such discrimination, and they aren't simply enforcing a viewpoint-neutral rule against broadcasting murders in progress?
How can we convince them that we need to be determining what is true and false? That false info can lead quickly to extremism and violent deaths - all over false info?
Idk let’s just have someone shoot up a place again. We can say it was from his right wing ideology.
Yeah but where’d he get it from?
I know, just list all the right wing sources we hate - done!
Ok this is good this is good. So who is this guy?
He’s older, late 40’s.
No way man we can’t keep doing that shit.
Fine - we haven’t done teenager in awhile?
Perfect yes! Look what could happen to “the kids” if they get false info. This is gonna work. Ok great when can I have it operational?
With manifesto?
If possible, yeah.
Give us a week.
A week? I need like yesterday.
Ok, how bout this weekend?
If he yelled "Worldstar" before he started shooting, the stream would still be up.
There are 50 million K-12 students. They are constantly being told by their teachers to view each other as members of different racial groups, with one group being demonized and others being portrayed as helpless victims without agency.
It shouldn't surprise anybody that this produces racial hate crimes and terrorism, both from white kids and from black kids.
In other words, progressives and the left are responsible for these kinds of hate crimes.
They think they can mitigate any bad effects of emphasizing racial identity by inducing self hatred in the demonized race. I expect this will bite our civilization in the ass.
Already has. Is.
Why would white kids allegedly being told by their teachers that they are racist because they are white, cause them to go on a killing spree against blacks? I mean, these teachers are not telling kids that their supposed inherent racism is justified, are they?
No, but they are telling them that race is really important and central to everyone's identity. Do you not see how that might make white supremacists thing they are onto something? The ideologies of white supremacy and anti-racism aren't all that far apart philosophically.
And we should probably also discuss the difference between *creating* racial division, and *discussing* racial division that already exists.
So, the difference is "if I don't like them, it is creating racial division"
That's a ridiculous argument. Taking down the video of an active shooter (or any other violent crime in progress) is not "viewpoint discrimination".
OK Soave, but do not bitch again when your content is deplatformed for violating arcane rules like not showing clips from a Trump speech.
Seems like a policy against post depicting actual violent crime would suffice without any need for viewpoint based moderation.
I subscribe to the idea that letting people with bad ideas express them in public is the best way to deal with bad ideas.
I'm good with removing videos of people getting murdered. But I question the wisdom of removing his manifesto and working hard to keep people from seeing it. It is a legitimate public interest to know what a person like this claims as his motivation. And censorship creates kind of a forbidden fruit effect.
Seems like a policy against post depicting actual violent crime would suffice without any need for viewpoint based moderation.
I was going to comment much the same thing. Refusing to show a man engaged in a murder spree has nothing to do with the views of the murderer. To believe, as Robby seems to, you'd have to believe that, if this psychopath engaged in a murder spree simply because he was a sadistic freak, keeping him on board would be a-okay.
This take is just dumb.
Killing people live on camera is not a viewpoint.
This isn't very hard.