Elon Musk Buys Twitter, Twitter's Biggest Egos Melt Down
The SpaceX/Tesla founder and billionaire has articulated lofty free speech ideals. Can he make them reality?

Over the last week, SpaceX and Tesla founder Elon Musk arranged $46.5 billion in financing to follow through on his unsolicited offer to Twitter's board to buy the social media site from them. This afternoon, the board accepted Musk's offer to buy the company for $54.20 a share.
Long a Twitter power user/troll/loudmouth, Musk bought a 9.2 percent stake in the company last month, becoming the largest shareholder, before deciding he'd rather have the whole thing.
Cue hysteria! Musk haters have taken to the site to declare that Donald Trump will now probably win the 2024 election, that Musk's bid is really about white power, that Section 230 must be reformed, and that, yes, Musk's new policies will be lethal. (Perhaps the death toll will be even larger than net neutrality's!)
So, for users of the platform, what's likely to change?
Musk has panned the site's existing content moderation policies, saying they are too restrictive and encroach on people's ability to speak freely without being censored. Some liberalization of these policies and the re-platforming of controversial figures like former President Donald Trump—who was banned in the wake of the January 6 riot for inciting violence among his fans—seems likely, though unpopular with droves of users.
At the mid-April TED conference in Vancouver, Musk talked about his interest in making Twitter's algorithm open-source. The Diff's Byrne Hobart took this a step further, outlining how "Twitter should monetize a protocol rather than run an app," and explaining the tension between Twitter as a consumer product and as "a way for individual users to update a universal shared database, which can then be filtered based on who's interested in what." Hobart claims that it's possible that Twitter has been "radically miss-monetized," and that Musk could potentially realign its priorities. However, little of the online discourse has focused on the technical possibilities.
The new Twitter owner has, through coy tweets, hinted that his new policies will not be applied arbitrarily and that consistent application will mean some number of right-wing users currently cheering his new ownership will surely be disappointed:
I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 25, 2022
A social media platform's policies are good if the most extreme 10% on left and right are equally unhappy
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 19, 2022
Elsewhere, Musk has said that Twitter is a "town square" or "public square," and that banning people from using the platform effectively prevents them from participating in the important discussions of the day.
Though people who care about fostering a culture of free speech may agree with the tenor of Musk's comments, the analogy is a terrible one. For most of America, the public square is the school board meeting and the town council meeting. There are also numerous other privates spaces for civic engagement: the church pulpit and the post-sermon fray it inspires; neighborhood listservs and the cesspool that is NextDoor; or maybe it's Facebook, in-person conversations, and email lists. For many millions of Americans, Twitter is not integral to hashing out values, concerns, and disagreements. Think of the implications if we expected the government to treat such companies—which have their own terms of service and standards that they are free to decide and we are free to consent to—as something akin to public utilities.
If anything, the new owner of a social media company should convey an inflated sense of the platform's worth! But Musk has at times, despite his forceful defense of free speech culture on the internet, repeated confused talking points that indicate scattered thinking while simultaneously failing to fully flesh out what day-to-day operations will look like. For example, a lot of content moderation involves the unsexy—and not very ideological—challenge of keeping spam under control. And, as Mike Masnick points out at Techdirt, Musk doesn't seem to have a particularly robust understanding of "hate speech" and how much of what we call hate speech is, in fact, protected by the First Amendment.
A lot remains to be seen about how Twitter will change and what Musk will bring to the table. Optimism, with some reservations about Musk's ability to execute, seems warranted. Hysteria—like declaring that it's now open season for white supremacists, that Musk's vision for free speech will be "lethal," or that Musk is an echo of imperialist, colonizer forebears because he wants to go to Mars—is not.
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I always enjoy seeing SJWs lose their shit. Hope they all have a mass suicide.
They're all going back to MySpace.
I'd hate to do that to Tom. Last I saw, he basically took his money and is wandering around living a good life and ignoring the tech industry.
tumblr*
Nah, tumblr banned porn. That site is dead.
Facebook doesn’t have porn. A pity that Facebook is still around. Hopefully it tanks in the next few years.
Not as long as the boomers are still around.
I just want Zuckerberg to be really, really sad.
Sorry to break it to you, but he doesn’t feel emotions.
We can only hope. Every Marxist face down in a landfill is striking a blow for freedom.
+1
Oh, I'm sure they'll just fuck off to some other social media vendor the way they all moved to Canada when Trump was elected.
-jcr
Yeah, I took a look around Twitter. All the Marxist twits and twats are having a meltdown. Robert Reich is calling in Biden to create a government controlled social media platform moderated by the government (Marxist democrats). So only they could have access.
The faster we dispose of these Marxists, the faster we can secure our constitutional freedoms.
Hey, free speech is not for everybody!
Robert Reich is calling in Biden to create a government controlled social media platform moderated by the government[.]
So, Biden does, and then Trump is reelected in '24, and Robert "The Third" Reich finally fucking strokes out. 😀
For the sake of honesty in media, I call for all platforms to include software to automatically change "Robert Reich" to "Robert 'Third' Reich".
The fear of a collapsing echo-chamber is palpable.
At the very least watching their heads explode.
I'll supply the kool aid
If there is a mass egress of employees, I will seriously look at applying to the company just to see what the fuck it's like.
I mean... If it pays well enough. It's not a terrible idea, and I'd be a *lot* closer to the right time zone than my current gig.
Unfortunately, the Twitter quitters will just spread their moral disease elsewhere. Better if Musk organized some sort of separation "event".
"As a long time Twitter employee, you are invited to a good-bye cruise on the Titanic 2."
Assuming they get hired someplace else.
Maybe North Korea, China or Cuba is hiring?
They could "graduate" to a better reality through the ritual of Carousel.
There will NOT be a mass egress of employees.
Aren't they all moving to Canada?
Yeah, the number of people who say they'll quit will be in the hundreds but the number who actually quit will be in the tens.
I'M FRIGHTENED FOR DEMOCRACY.
I HEARD THE FIRST THING HE'S GOING TO DO IS BAN POSTING IN ALL CAPS.
˙ʇooɟ sıɥ uo ʞooɥ ɐ pɐɥ ǝɥ ʇnq ʎɹoʇs ǝɯɐs ǝɥʇ pɹɐǝɥ I
How do you comment with this appearing upside down?
That is brilliant!
Put on your face mask and assume the fetal position.
I'm frightened OF democracy. Would you want to live in the kind of USA that the majority wanted?
but a landslide majority voted for Trump!
Nope. About 29% of voting age Americans voted for Trump.
The new trust and safety team will be the homeless people Musk wants to house at Twitter HQ. Fun times ahead.
Better yet move the headquartes to Texas and open the SF headquarters to the homeless before BLM buys it.
First thing- change the blue twitter bird to a pterodactyl with blood dripping from its talons.
Officially license the bird of prey logo from the cover of Screaming For Vengeance by Judas Priest.
Damn it, you tricked me into putting on Screaming For Vengeance again. Damn your powerful manipulation skills.
80s metal at its finest.
I disagree, but only because Judas Priest is metal at it's finest, now and forever.
I was more of a Dio fan back then, but Priest holds up better.
JP is top shelf (just saw Halford and the current iteration last month - still solid) but nothing topped Maiden's Piece of Mind and Powerslave in that timeframe, IMO.
I can get behind this.
Breaking the law
Breaking the law
breaking the law
Ptwitter?
Overpaid.
Certainly more than it's worth with current management, but if he cleans house and kicks the lefturds out, Twitter could be worth more than he's paying. It could replace all the other SJW-infested companies from FaceBook to YouTube to GoFundMe.
-jcr
I wish him luck getting returns.
He already made money on his 9% stake.
But will he make money on the 100% stake? 😀
He's the "richest" man in the world for a reason. Yes, he probably will somehow make returns. Do you have any idea how many other things he's done that tons of people initially said he wouldn't be able to do???
Part of that reason is his nack for getting tax dollars to fund his companies.
It would be glorious if he just shut it down.
Or renamed to ‘MAGA Country!’. Even if it’s just for a week.
Just turn the bird red and put up a banner: "MAKE TWITTER GREAT"
It obviously wouldn't include the "AGAIN", because, well...
If he has a picture of a smiling Trump included, all the better. Just for the troll factor.
If there is one thing Musk does well, it's trolling.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1470898920146542592
Whenever you see one of our progressive #Resistance allies pretending to be anti-billionaire, keep in mind it's all an act. They only do it to manipulate low-info poor voters into believing Democrats are still the working-class, "f***-the-rich" party.
Twitter will be fine with the world's richest person in charge. Just like WaPo is fine with the world's second richest person in charge. 🙂
#BillionairesKnowBest
#OBLsFirstLaw
The wisdom you regularly impart to our boards really drive home the value you derived from your humanities degree.
I was told that washed up TV actors like Rob Reiner knew best.
Or was it Father knows best?
It certainly isn’t Meathead knows best.
I'm starting The Great Unbanning of Orangemanbad clock.
Biggest question is would he even bother to "come back"?
Are you saying Trump would turn down a megaphone?
Cool if Musk puts Trump on the board.
Ok, most hilarious suggestion so far, I think.
Dude. He's definitely coming back.
I could see him making a big deal out of not coming back for a certain amount of time.
Could be. I could see a big promotional lead-up to his first tweet.
He'd play it up, but I have no doubt he'd come back quick. I'd even take the under on most bets of how long it would take.
I would enjoy the thermonuclear levels of apoplexy on the left if he did so.
He said he's going to stick with Truth Social. That may *change* in ten minutes, but it's what he said at first, anyway.
Why would he when TRUTH Social is such a resounding success.
Welcome to MAGA Country!
Reason's biggest egos meltdown too!
Poor Mike, still waiting to get on .
Of all your odd, unhealthy obsessions, this is one.
The Doomsday clock is already at 100s.
I hate 'links' that go to a paywall (hello NYT) or look like phishing.
Monetizing Twitter as a protocol rather than a platform seems like a great idea. But the fact is that is what failed in the transition from Web1 to Web2 There is no reason to believe it will work this time just because Elon musk is rich enough to lose money, likes free speech, and doesn't realize that social media doesn't scale well after all.
Reason writers probably simply assume that everyone subscribes to the NYT.
You don't know how to dodge most any paywall? It's easy.
dying for a followup to cofeve.
^^^THIS
Oh, fucking, THIS^^^
*covfefe
Hahahahahahahahaha. Trump gets his account back, only ever makes one more tweet.
"CovfeFEEEEEEELINGS... NOTHING MORE THAN FEEEEEEELINGS..."
"Despite the constant negative press CovfeFEEEEEEELINGS... NOTHING MORE THAN FEEEEEEELINGS..."
I don't know why, but that seems kinda well-rounded to me.
I mean because it kinda expresses a timeline, from negative press to ban to return (as in the song). I'm explaining myself now so I don't appear full-on autistic with that last comment.
Biden is pretty good at this:
America can be defined in a single word. ... 'Asssfhhhtlllmmnfff'
He just suddenly realized he needed a new ass muffler.
Next up: FaceBook
If Musk really is the free speech absolutist he claims to be, the only real answer is to only remove tweets under court order, such as for defamation / libel, military secrets, etc.
For the trolls and spammers, let users rate them, and let other users rate the raters. Slashdot has a pretty good example. Require a year and some minimum number of good-rated tweets before you can rate other tweets, etc.
Also let users be curators, so other users can follow just the tweets in whatever bubble they want.
It's not hard.
Self governance? With no "one" in charge? Dude that's some scary shit right there.
I'll bet you believe in free range kids, too.
Yeah it isn't substantially hard.
I think there is something to be said about immutable identities and reputation graphs attached to them. As a monetized protocol, I could see Twitter opening this up for countless services to try and use.
Court order? Ok so now you are talking about thousands of different legal systems with courts. Many of which have no interest in 'free speech'
And actually it is real hard to do this on one centralized platform. Tons of different platforms - each of which does its own curating. That can work but only if the platform leaves the ad money to those different platforms.
And don't really need ratings to control spam. Charge for tweeting . If you want to give voice to those without money to pay upfront, then yeah it would be easy to have micro donations.
But ultimately 'social media' only provides voice to someone with money who can sell what they want - or someone without money who can attract gawkers and create traffic accidents
Oh bullshit. Add a table of ban orders, and add a foreign key reference to every tweet. Index it by whatever jurisdiction floats your boat.
Don't "need" ratings to control spam, no, don't need red socks either. Charge per tweet? What planet are you living on to think that's a viable business model?
This is not hard to anyone with a modicum of experience.
Of course you can charge per tweet. Elon musk knows the value of 80 million followers - as does every social media 'influencer'. Those are the people who would pay for tweeting - not the nobody railing at the clouds
Without the nobodies, there wouldn't be 80 million followers.
Why screw up his fantasy with logic?
As regards your last sentence; don't we already have that? You're already free to follow only those in whatever bubble you want. You just stop following users that send tweets that don't fit. The only real problem comes when some users aren't satisfied that others have a different (world) view; they can't accept that; you have to confirm to their views. So then you get a lot of people fighting with each other...lol
Does he claim to be a free-speech absolutist?
Slashdot has a pretty good example.
Not anymore. /. is maggoty with CCP bots, which is why I gave up on it. After I started routinely pointing out that the CCP is engaged in two active genocidal campaigns, my comments started getting systematically downmodded days or weeks after I posted them.
/. was fun for many years, but it's a lost cause.
-jcr
Reddit has a good example of how to do this poorly.
Sure as hell wish I could be a fly on the wall at Twitter corporate in SF right now. It would be delicious.
And then like any good fly I'd move on to the piles of shit on the streets.
I would like to be in SF wearing a MAGA hat and a shirt that says ‘Go Elon Go!’
I would definitely like a pay per view for that.
They will be deleting emails and rewriting code at a furious pace for the next few days.
I read the source code has been locked to prevent this exact thing. Of course that doesn't really mean it's happened, or that they weren't deleting for the last week, but......
For most of America, the public square is the school board meeting and the town council meeting.
I don't know where Liz was going with this, but for most of America, the town square is not someplace you have to observe Roberts Rules of Order to make a comment and can be told to sit down and shut up or be forcibly removed.
I'm unclear as well. I read it as related to the fact that Twitter is actually not used by most Americans. I'm not clear on what that has to do with anything, but I think that's what she was saying.
I would say if they want it to be a platform for a specific ideological and narrow form of discussion they should make that explicit and encode it in there ToS.
I think there are three points:
1) Twitter doesn't represent america.
2) The tweet as a protocol is not the sort of communication you want for "town square" type conversations.
3) It is more a place for shows of grandeur like political posturing and cancel culture.
Yeah, I don't think she's ever actually been to a local government meeting.
We ain't one-at-a-timin' here. We're MASS communicating!
Nicely done, guv.
And what’s with the swipe at Nextdoor? It’s just neighbors looking out for each other. Plus the occasional nature pic. The only time it gets political is an announcement about the next school board meeting. Anything more than that gets tossed. It may not be free speech but I wouldn’t call it a cesspool.
For many millions of Americans, Twitter is not integral to hashing out values, concerns, and disagreements.
I thought this was pretty naive. No, not everyone is on there directly, but the conversations that happen on Twitter, and the conversations that are allowed to happen on Twitter, affect what those people will end up hearing.
^ How many commentators are on Twitter? How many react to what’s on Twitter because ENB links to it several times every morning?
How many people see the news anchored by people who do use Twitter, or read newspapers... Ok, nevermind on that one. But I suspect most people these days have friends who send them things, so stuff gets around. And if there's less appearance that everything is all one sided, I hope things might calm down some.
Probably a foolish hope.
Both sides will hate this. Both. Sides.
Got to love anything that unites both the Left and the Right in moral outrage.
"Got to love anything that unites both the Left and the Right in moral outrage."
That would be the literal equivalent of war.
Amen
Only because you are a hate filled monster.
No one on the right hates this. You really need to talk to someone about the voices in your head.
Asking corporations to not wade into politics is moral outrage?
The left had zero problems pressuring Disney to do just that. And look how that worked out for them. If Disney stock continues to drop, it might be the next target for a takeover. The market cap for Disney has dropped from almost $240 billion to $218 as of today. Much bigger than Twitter, but not undoable. It doesn’t even need to be taken private. Maybe just get enough shares to oust the current board and for the CEO.
Put someone tough in charge that will clean house and get rid of the activist left employees and executives. With smart management in place, Disney could focus some of it’s resources on producing content that appeals to conservatives. Maybe some faith based content. Or even just more generic stories that have overtly conservative characters as the protagonists, as opposed to trying to make everything about gays and trannys. Which are a tiny market to begin with. Plus, the activist left are never satisfied with anything, so pandering to them is really a waste of time.
Disney could focus some of it’s resources on producing content that appeals to conservatives.
I mean, isn't that basically just "go back to making Disney films"? I don't think it's a sign of vast age that I recall a time when Disney movies were for, y'know, children, not "liberals" or "conservatives". Madness, I know.
More than just that. There really is an underserved market for more mature, but conservative friendly content. Content that is free of hamfisted leftist lessons about race, sexual orientation, trannys, socialism, etc..
Like “ The Mandalorian”
Disney hit a home run with this western in outer space with a single dad.
And baby Yoda!
Sounds like iNsURrecTIon to me
I take issue with your final point.
Just because there are other avenues to speak does not mean that banning people has no impact.
Just because there are other town squares does not mean that arbitrary restriction from one of the biggest, which includes actual political figures.
As a precedent, I present none other than Donald Trump. The courts ruled that him banning people on Twitter was a violation of the constitutional right of petition. This is despite the fact that the ban could be circumvented with the click of the "logout" button.
Access to Twitter cannot be both mandatory and completely unimportant. It must be one or the other. As one side has legal precedent and the other does not, which I follow should be clear.
One of the issues here is that Reason often fails to recognize that private companies controlled by political parties effectively become the equivalent of government at some point if their powers are left unchecked.
No. It is not what he said. What he said was taken out of context. The 10% on the right he is referring to will be disappointed by what the 10% on the other side has to say, not with the existence of a free speech platform or Musk's ownership. If you heard some of his previous conversations you would know this. He is basically implying that free speech only exists when you are willing to let people you don’t like say things you don’t like. Just because the right 10% he is referring to doesn’t like what the left has to say doesn’t mean they don’t like a free speech platform.
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Prof volokh recognizes it as an expert on the first amendment. The writers here just don't care.
I think we’ve been giving the writers here the benefit of the doubt when we say they don’t care. I think they care plenty. I think they support it. It’s been very effective achieving political goals they support.
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"The new Twitter owner has, through coy tweets, hinted that his new policies will not be applied arbitrarily and that consistent application will mean some number of right-wing users currently cheering his new ownership will surely be disappointed"
This is a completely unsubstantiated claim. Leave it to reason to constantly misrepresent the views of the right.
That's what Musk said, more or less.
No. It is not what he said. What he said was taken out of context. The 10% on the right he is referring to will be disappointed by what the 10% on the other side has to say, not with the existence of a free speech platform or Musk's ownership. If you heard some of his previous conversations you would know this. He is basically implying that free speech only exists when you are willing to let people you don’t like say things you don’t like. Just because the right 10% he is referring to doesn’t like what the left has to say doesn’t mean they don’t like a free speech platform. It is the left constantly calling for censorship, not the right.
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That some right-wing users will be disappointed that policies won’t be arbitrary?
Leave it to reason to constantly misrepresent the views of the right.
Reason was paraphrasing Musk's representation of the views of the right.
No, reason snipped out a comment and misrepresented it ignore the 99% of the other conversation musk has had regarding free speech.
I was about to commennt on the same. It reads as the author's desperate wish that both sides would be equally upset by free speech, rather than anything related to reality.
The author is taking advantage of free speech to misrepresent what another person stated. Bad as that seems, I'm glad it is possible.
Bad as that seems, I'm glad it is possible.
Disagree. Fine if they want to present it as "One interpretation is..." but paraphrasing "Being sarcastic, I have evidence that Jim Logajan fucks goats." as "I have evidence that Jim Logajan fucks goats." you're, at best, acting in bad faith and that's not good, free speech or otherwise.
I do think this issue is interesting though. I do not have a strong answer to what needs to happen. I tend to sympathize with Charles Cooke's argument that more explicit rules applied transparently are reasonable. The specifics I don't know.
I think Twitter is less important than journalists think, and the tenor of the argument shows more about journalism than the nation as a whole. It's particularly damning commentary on certain places like Reason. We see a private interaction with a private company attempting to bring about a change that the private owners view to be its best interest. I find the consternation expressed at that to be surprising.
I find the consternation expressed at that to be surprising.
It is cute you find that surprising or think that reason or anyone who writes there has any interest in actual private companies being free to do what they want, unless that something involves pushing the leftist culture war.
The vague rules along with inconsistent application is exactly the problem most people who dislike Twitter have issues with.
I'm just glad Musk made it work, simply because I want to see what happens.
I'm digging up my grandmother's recipe for caramel corn.
Share please!
brown sugar and butter...real butter, not yuckey margarine.
Was it a tattoo?
^Ha
Well done sir.
as Mike Masnick points out at Techdirt
Masnick is yet another disingenuous commentator holding water for the Democrats. First off, he's taking Musk's tweets as the sum total of his thinking on content moderation. Anyone who creates an assumption on what anyone believes based solely on Tweets is simply a fucktard.
And I love this one:
I know that the narrative — which Musk has apparently bought into — is that Twitter’s content moderation efforts are targeted at stifling conservatives. There is, yet again, no actual evidence to support this.
No, no evidence at all. None. What a hack. Says this with a straight face. Yes, there's no objective studied analysis of this...and you know why? 'cause it's fucking Twitter, you douchebag. As if they tell you all the shit they're suppressing.
Masnick tries to wrap his whole article around how hard it is to write AI that screens real spam. THAT'S NOT THE DEBATE. Twitter kicked the sitting President of the United States off its platform. That's not some fucking AI filter. And Masnick doesn't even have the nuts to address that.
I agree, it's also pretty telling that Masnick loves to pretend legal knowledge superiority over the "rubes"
If Twitter isn't suppressing right wing views, then why are hacks like Masnick so angry about Musk potentially putting a stop to it?
He doesn't have the nuts to address it, or he knows that it will prove him wrong?
Who cares? Twitter will still suck no matter who owns it
Yeah. Glad that Musk bought it. Still not signing up/touching it.
The fuck is Yakult?
You mean the yogurt shot? If so, it's a little thing of fermented milk, more concentrated than yogurt. It's was a breakfast thing in Japan or something and has gotten popular as probiotic drink. It's not bad. I used to get it a lot.
The Yakult Swallows (lol) are a baseball team.
Is Tony in their team. He could audition for catcher.
^^^
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This!
Well, he IS used to balls flying at him from all kinds of angles.
I totally disagree with the author's take re: Twitter. It's a de facto monopoly, especially for journalists and the class of people who follow them, who collectively wield a lot of influence (sadly) on society. I think that means it must be kept free and open, like a public space. Don't want that? It should split itself up, and thereby stop being a monopoly. Or help foster reasonable competition (which would be very hard to enforce).
If Twitter is an equivalent to a [privately owned] town hall, then anything less than free speech is little more than censorship by proxy.
And we all know what side they take in that matter.
"The new Twitter owner has, through coy tweets, hinted that his new policies will not be applied arbitrarily and that consistent application will mean some number of right-wing users currently cheering his new ownership will surely be disappointed:"
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Not sure why that sentence was thrown in. That's been the main problem with Twitter. News articles or statements are banned arbitrarily based upon with they support the left or the right. Conservatives want the policies applied equally, not based upon the political views of the poster or which political candidate an article supports. (See Hunter Biden laptop story for Example A). More views and more discussion is better than one side's opinion being silenced. That is how knowledge is obtained.
I'd like to know why the author refers to NextDoor as a cesspool? The ability to communicate with your neighbors and get a better understanding of how your neighborhood works is a powerful tool. Considering the crime in my neighborhood, having a heads up about things is important. I'm sure there's gossip hounds and nosy Nelly's, but that doesn't negate it's utility.
Next door is perfectly fine. My guess is that it is a cesspool in the sort of leftist yuppie shit holes where journalists live. Where normal people live, it is fine.
You thinking of Taylor Lorenz?
Careful....she's suffering from PTSD
Taylor Lorenz, Megan McCardle, and a lot of others.
We have that where I live; unfortunately it quickly mimicked Facebook, with "moderation" of "misinformation" and neighbors telling neighbors what they should believe and do.
I can live without it.
90% of Nextdoor posts are about scary homeless people, scary coyote sightings, scary UFOs, and super scary loud booms.
And that 90% of posts is made by one person. It really lets you get a gauge on the fact that at least one of your neighbors is absurdly paranoid.
Yep. We have one of those. My concern is with the rash of package thefts, cars being ransacked, and the unstable people wandering around the streets where my kid plays. I want to know what others see so I can protect my family. Yes, I have a healthy paranoia of the city I live in because I know where the criminals are, what they are capable of, and the level of safety we have in the place where we live. It's a large city, but not so large that I don't know the mayor, or see him out and can talk to him, not so large that I don't know quite a few members of law enforcement. I can gauge reasonably well the direction our city is going, and NextDoor actually helps. All the radical leftists love to post their BS on there, so I know where they'll be gathering, what they're pissed off about, and who to call who will go film their lunacy and post it for the world to see. It's a lot of fun. But they're starting to get more violent recently, so I'm keeping my distance. When they start fighting with cops over a noise complaint, you know it's bad.
Odd - seems most of the NextDoor posts here (Rapid City, SD) are requests for recommendations on business or services and regarding lost pets.
And recipes for jello with Miracle Whip on top.
In Methodism, that's a sacrament.
90% of Nextdoor posts are about scary homeless people, scary coyote sightings, scary UFOs, and super scary loud booms.
You've pretty much nailed the content on the Nextdoor for my neighborhood.
You left off the scary unmarked van lurking within 5 blocks of a school, daycare, park, playground, candy store, or school bus stop.
Don't be fooled by the attempt at trying to strike a rational tone here, the overwhelming majority of fugazi libertarians here at Reason are enraged and terrified right now, just like all lefties. This may not apply to Liz Wolfe, I haven't seen enough of her work to get an honest feel for where she is.
And the bad news for all the far left media scumbags is that making Musk the latest version of America's Hitler is going to be a lot tougher than it was for Trump. Musk is not only a lot wealthier than Trump is, he's a lot smarter as well.
The issue with Twitter is selective content moderation and less with free speech. At the end of the day, conservatives will approve of Elon removing Tweets that call for the rape of Sarah Palin. Private companies can indeed remove certain speech at their discretion.
We could live with Twitter policy If it banned Trump and the Iranian government. But that is not Twitter. They are VERY much a partisan organization that selectively enforces their rules on doxxing, bullying and hate speech. Notice that they blocked the Hunter Biden story for apparently violating "illegal leak" policy but they let snitches post personal info on freedom truck convoy.
The duplicity of these SM companies is that they whine they can't possibly monitor billions of their users and at the same time deploy an army of fact checkers and algorithm that tailored to catch violation that offends liberal sensibilities. If historical YT channels get demonetized because some of their vids show the swatstika, oh well.
This is the sort of hackish behavior we're hoping Musk can address. I'm not under any illusion that Twitter will be a true haven of free speech. It doesn't need to be, it just has to be at least somewhat reasonable. A restaurant can have a no shirt no service policy, but they shouldn't just kick out people who ARE wearing shirts.
Trump was banned for life but the Iranian government and Putin tweet to this day. People like Andy Ngro get death threats by the hundreds and nothing is done. Yet, thousands of conservatives have been banned for saying a mean word to the wrong blue check liberal.
That isn't moderation. That is making the platform into a propaganda organ.
Censorship and propaganda by [privately owned] proxy.
Privately owned but very much in the service of left-wing government.
At the end of the day, conservatives will approve of Elon removing Tweets that call for the rape of Sarah Palin.
See, I dunno. On one hand, I can see why she'd prefer to have that sort of thing taken down. On the other, just capturing it and making a collage of the plethora of rape threats and using it as a billboard demonstrating Democrat values...
Sort of the Libs of Tiktok approach. Amplify how terrible these people are.
there's something to be said for this - but its more of a long game view of the potential.
Truly unfettered freedom allows everyone to expose their true selves. Whether that is a good thing overall - not too sure. It could be , I suppose, if the potential for redemption could also be recognized. Let people show themselves and hopefully any blowback can lead to enlightenment and self improvement.
The thing about social mores and comunity standards in as much as they encourage self censoring is that it potentially allows an intemperate person some time to reflect and internally go thru the process described above without going thru public humiliation.
I think I come down on the side of even an intemperate rape threat deserving some measure of public humiliation. Or at least not feeling too terribly poorly if it occurs.
I think you guys are on to something here. Another benefit of allowing this type of speech, but then calling it out: the amount of liberals that wouldn’t say anything like that themselves, but would feel the compulsion to defend it.
Just look how many of them willing to come out in defense of pedo groomers. They can’t help themselves.
It's not like the left doesn't do the exact same thing over even ridiculous stuff. Cancelling someone for something they said when they were 15, or some retarded "microaggression". And they do it by amplifying it.
Karma's a bitch.
“Substack is hiring!” Lulu Cheng Meservey tweeted, though she quickly added an important caveat. “If you’re a Twitter employee who’s considering resigning because you’re worried about Elon Musk pushing for less regulated speech … please do not come work here,” the Substack executive added."
https://republicannation.com/substack-vp-triggers-twitter-employees/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CSubstack%20is%20hiring%21%E2%80%9D%20Lulu%20Cheng%20Meservey%20tweeted%2C%20though,not%20come%20work%20here%2C%E2%80%9D%20the%20Substack%20executive%20added.
PRIVATE. COMPANY.
It will become a private company, but Twitter has been a public company with fiduciary responsibilities to its stakeholders. Given that the stock value has been flat (except for a covid dip and bump) for a decade, an argument can be made that the Twitter BoD and management has failed in its duty. Bag holders finally saw a way out from under the millstone and pressured the BoD to accept Musk's offer.
A private company in full and enthusiastic service to left-wing government.
Sort of like the private companies in the military-industrial complex.
And what of the the individuals, including the entirety of the media and political sphere, who do see Twitter as a public square?
Who gives a shit what “most Americans” do?
Since when should libertarianism be boiled down to “what most Americans do” (except when that thing is something the left likes)?
And, as Reason has so often argued in the past.
Private company, bitches, and there’s a new owner in town.
The leftist meltdown over the promise that Musk will allow voice to those who counter the preferred narrative betrays the author's attempt to downplay that Twitter is the de factor town square.
Twitter advertised itself as a town square since the very beginning.
Hey Reason, it is a national public forum - even with it's overt bot control of what actually "trends". Just think, some alternative thoughts - might actually be allowed to trend - you know, like 5-6 years ago when it last happened. The current backlash is only the start. As current users become frustrated trying to debate in the arena of free thought, they will lash out with expletives and threats beyond the pale. Remember, the vast majority of current users still believe Trump colluded with Russia/Putin and that children are safer being triple vaxxed.
The progs will go nuts when challenged and the challenge isn’t silenced.
I don't comprehend Twitter's business model. I've never seen an ad on it. If they're selling your information how do the buyers then track you? Do blue checks somehow pay for the privilege of being a blue check? Or do other companies like Coca Cola et al pay fees to keep the undesirable off? It's known that Coke and others were calling for censorship and threatening to remove sponsorship.
Personally I'd have preferred that Musk tank their stock. Twitter is sludge and I don't see how it gets any better.
What the fuck is this twitter thing everyone is talking about?
On a more important note, if CRT offends you then you might be racist!
Cathode Ray Tubes have the potential to illuminate charged subjects, so should be avoided.
I've had to pack up a lot of them for reman and I to date I hhhhhaaaavvvveee nnnoooo ppprrooobleemmss
Obviously not very large ones if you avoided back problems. 😉
Yeah, I did pack a lot of 25" but the one that got me was a 19" when I touched the 2nd anode on the back of the tube...the one that connected to a transformer. Damned near dropped the picture tube.
My instructor( TV service and repair) admitted he made sure the crt was fully charged before he dropped it off.
I was working at an electronic supply/wholesale at the time.
That wasn't the worst I would get .
500 volts don't feel so good. either.
"Though people who care about fostering a culture of free speech may agree with the tenor of Musk's comments, the analogy is a terrible one."
Twitter literally advertised itself as a public square at the start. Jack Dorsey said that was its original intention in 2009. Is it too much to ask for at least one article where our bien pensant Reasonistas don't try to lie to and gaslight us with establishment left talking points?
If I had Twitter I would be gleefully scrolling through all the “literally shaking” tweets that are probably flooding the platform right now.
Slurp! Slutp! Yum! The liberal tears after Elon Musk bought Twitter are delicious!
A. Twitter wound up accepting Musk's offer, because analysts expect Twitter will announce a lousy Q1 on Thursday. If the Board waited, Musk might have reduced his offer or pulled it, because of lousy numbers.
B. I like Next Door. It's the only social media platform that I post to regularly. And it doesn't make stupid friend suggestions like Facebook.
He probably is overpaying mightily for the business as it is, but under new management the service might rebound. Twitter has a lot of room to grow by reaching out to people who aren't extreme left liberals.
I sure hope Elon sets his sight on that Acme Corporation next.
Take your business elsewhere you stupid Canis latrans!
First thing he should do is hire a new Quality Control chief.
"For many millions of Americans, Twitter is not integral to hashing out values, concerns, and disagreements."
That's mostly the banned people.
Nothing pleases me more than thought of the leftist Twitterati going into a melt down. I can see thousands of cry bullies sobbing themselves to sleep tonight knowing when they wake up in the morning Elon Musk will still own Twitter. The poor things.
Some one needs to start a collection so doses of Haldol can be sent to each and everyone of them. Make that three or four doses.
Their lives are ruined, don't you know. The sun will no longer shine and Mickey Mouse has just been run over by Elon Musk in one of his Teslas.
THIS JUST IN: Workers at Twitter headquarters threaten to blow themselves up in effort to stop Elon Musk from turning the media site into a free speech platform. Many have tapped cherry bombs, M-80s and packets of ammonium nitrate to their heads in protest of the upcoming change. Some of them also threaten to begin eating homeless people.
In somewhat related news, Joe Rogan has gained 2 million more subscribers since Lying Jeffy and his friends started attacking him.
Libs of Tik Tak has gained something like 300,000 new followers after they tried to dox the woman. Every torpedo these people fire seems to circle back at them.
BTW, did you see Reason's own favorite staff alpha wife Megan McArdle say that it was okay to dox the woman because she was an Orthodox Jew and unlikely to be harmed? Those Jews stick together you know. McArdle goes full Leni Riefenstahl on us.
I can't wait for lyin' Lorenz attempts to take on Rogan. If she thinks she's been so butt hurt up to now, when Rogan gets done with her, she'll probably commit suicide.
Commentariat on fire tonight! BTW, I think Liz's work was better on here Twitter feed than here.
What the hell was the end of the article all about?
Musk is somehow not a clear thinker and lacks vision? He doesn't understand what hate speech is? He doesn't know how to handle spam?
What in the ever loving hell is she on about? He stated a very clear reason for buying the platform.... stopping the political censorship. He also stated that he thought there were things he could do you monetize the platform and get profitable.
But she expects a detailed treatise on the intricacies of spam filtering? In the middle of a buyout he needs to stop and explain to her exactly how hate speech is going to be defined?
I just don't understand these folks.....
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1518782147405963265?s=10
Unreal
Holy shit.
I'm... flabbergasted. Is that guy *really* freaking out publicly over the fact that his team just lost the ability to do exactly the thing he talked about?
I think the only possible appropriate level of karmic retribution for this deep and abiding a display of hypocrisy would be if someone managed to find wherever the morons at the FBI "lost" Hunter Biden's laptop, and beat this guy to death on his own television program with it.
While this clip plays on a loop in the background.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RBReich/status/1518655243541618689
Robert Reich turns on a dime....
I saw that too. He really is a lying sociopathic little turd.
HYPOCRISY LEVEL NINE THOUSAND!!!
I did not realize that Robert "The Third" Reich was a Dragonball Z character.
I want Elon to buy Facebook next
I'm not a libertarian, but I am a civil libertarian and have been reading Reason since about aught-2. Whenever I know that there is no real conservative side/liberal side to an issue and it's all trumped up hysteria by the powers that be, I come to Reason for an honest take. I must admit I'm a bit disappointed in this piece, as it analyzes the "what they want you to see" reaction of the left instead of really fleshing out the "both sides are probably overreacting" bit--which is what the piece is really saying, but somehow wants to hide, just to stick it to the perceived reaction of the libs. In all honesty, I don't know any of my liberal friends who truly care one way or the other about this. I'm not sure why the mainstream media wants to make the left look like it's losing its mind over this. I also think the right should be careful, as well. It's likely that Musk just wants what he wants, and will never fulfill his promises of free speech. Then again, just this week, I saw the Right cheer literal political retaliation by a government against a corporation over a political view, so I suppose anything is possible.
Favoring white supremacists over all the other types of racists for censorship, is racist. It is, flat out. Its not just ethnomassochism "racist," it's also white supremacy. Hows that? By censoring out spoken white supremacists from public display forums you hide from the public's view their twisted logic and false conclusions. This allows the more insidious dixicrat types to flourish in an environment where no one would suspect them. Its just like how censoring "black" serial killer atrocities lets scores more people shrug it off as just rhetoric when maxine waters opens her filthy racist stink hole.
News flash folks, the word "race" is a british equivocation fallacy meand to turn families into a competition so as to justify nepotism while slippery sloping(non fallacy, actual effect) support for aristocracy.
"Race" is and always was a tool of british foreign and domestic policy. By making you forget your nepotist/aristocracy oppressors behavior by making you think you're part of a bigger whole. Darwin was the first racist and totaly british, not to mention, buried in a catholic cathedral.
Frankly, "racists" are all just stooges for their respective carpet baggers. By censoring the stooges you just let loose their SS to do as they please. There's more than one way to skin a cat, but you cant beat automation.
I wonder tho if musk will censor claims that he's just trying to build a wwZ summer home.
Colonizing mars is honestly impossible.
The first woman in space figured it out in the 80s A human(and everything else on earth) fetus gestates inside out in zero gravity. Its actually a big coverup funded by several opposing forces who all have a motive to suppress public information about it.
The primary actors in this coverup conspiracy:
~august 1997 or 1998
Sifi industry. With the hopes of living in space crushed like a bug, startrek kinda loses its meaning.
Nasa. Kinda makes it hard to find funding support
Catholics. Unequivocally proving the theory of evolution doesnt sit well with ji-zeus.
I even remember the catholic bargaining chip being that nothing can stop them from making up bullshit for dying trench fighter constituents to hear, "god imprisoned us here on earth to stop the spread of evil, blah blah blah."
So, given that nothing on earth can reproduce in space except a few bacteria, no other degree of geotropic force could be a substitute either. Note all the supposed nonsense about using centrifugal force to replace earths geotropic force(note im saying geotropic instead of simply, gravity. I'll bring this up again later) we're already evolved with a measure of centrifugial force but in the opposite direction they'd suppose to you it could be used to replace gravity.
Geotropic force is used to refer to a set of known and unknown forces exhibited here on earth: gravity(whatever the fk that is), magnetic field, counter balanced centrifugal force, radiation, etc.
Note the complete lack of any publicly reported tests using centrifugal force. Rather stark contrast with, first women in space for the,previous mention. With around 40 years to conduct such expiramentation on centrifugal reproductive, it's absence is much too conspicuously missing.
Ive heard of some but citations were not forthcoming.
In short, musk is planning to kill you.
Doom.
The biggest problem is that the field of study needed to correct this issue can much more easily be used to kill us all and depopulate the earth for whatever oligarch that did it. And, a simultanious interest with space colonization proves this is exactly someone's plan. We could all be almost completely immortal. All 8 billion of us? And what kind of overpopulation issue would you have after that?
Does anyone understand the predicament we're in? Why we're all fkng doomed? Uncheckable overpopulation crisis.
Space exploration to fix that? NOPE.
Knowing musk and bezos already knows all this while you're all still perfectly ignorent, whats it mean to you if not this?
First, many Americans may not fully understand what free speech is and why it matters. Free speech protects speech and activities that many view as offensive or obscene.
It’s not designed to protect speech we always agree with or support. Not designed to protect speech that government agencies always want to hear.
It’s highly likely it will be “impossible” to have genuine free speech when it’s funded by advertisers. Advertisers have an audience to cater to, both customers and share holders. In this scenario, some speech will always be highlighted and other speech penalized. For example: a corporate sponsor might not like speech that exposes some of their labor, environmental and safety standards. The advertiser doesn’t want to fund things to harm it’s share holders.
Also, government regulators will prey on “free speech” activity. Government regulates corporate advertisers with unlimited legal capabilities (financed by taxpayers). It takes a really rich corporation to fund lawsuits over offensive or obscene speech.
For example: The Washington Post and other major newspapers were the few government-watchdogs providing checks & balances on the Bush torture program. Taxpayer funded judges, IGs, GAO and government watchdogs did virtually nothing for 8 years.
Billionaires like Jeff Bezos were a strong bulwark to taxpayer financed lawsuits by the Bush Administration’s DOJ. The Bush DOJ threw Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio into prison for several years. Maybe Musk could be a force for good?
Wrong, "free speech" simply referes to a victorious argument reflecting natural law. Respecting natural law is respecting peace. By not limiting eachother's natural rights you breed less war and strife. People all become hostile when acted upon unnaturally. "Free speech" is meant to quantify that, "you cannot shut me up or make me say what you want me to say. You could torture me but it would still be my decision to either endure more torture or say what you wanted to hear. Thusly, you should not have way to torture me as that would be unnatural tyranny and reason for me to open you to the path of death.
I think most of what you're refering to actually referes the tge codification fallacy braught on by natural enculturation to our first god, "milk machine."
By appeasing the milk machine and acting just like it, you get the habit of of thinking you need to combat anyone and anything that doesnt make the milk machine apear, anything that doesnt act like the milk machine.
Advertisers(catholic slime bags, mostly homos) apeal to their patrons by doing their will. It has become a very bad habit.
Unnatural force is tyranny. Cesorship is unnatural. Censorship of natural law means war.
Advertiser based censorship is both furtherance of advertising and unnatural.
I think a law prohibiting advertisers a hand to further advertise by removing their advertising, would be a good step. As it stands the stand to gain from catfishing a competitor just to then cite their own catfish as grounds to pull advertising. And lets face facts, facebook does that sht. To crush competitors they catfished as white supremacists on a competitor media cite and then cited their own catfish as grounds for censorship.
Its not hard for anyone to act like hitler on the internet. Jews do it all the time.
"...Jews do it all the time."
And here I thought Misek did fuck off and die.