Florida Sued by Activists, Students, Parents, and Teachers Over LGBT School Censorship Bill
The vague wording of the bill has led to a culture war fight about what the text means, and that’s never good for the First Amendment.

Activist organizations and families affected by Florida's bill restricting discussions on LGBT issues in public schools have filed suit to stop it, arguing that it violates the First and 14th Amendment rights of students, parents, and teachers in the state.
H.B. 1557, known by its opponents as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, was passed by Florida's Legislature earlier in the year and signed into law by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis in March. The bill's supporters insist that its purpose is to stop inappropriate discussions of sex and gender in front of young school children from kindergarten through third grade.
But that's not what the law actually says—it instead bans discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" in those grades, not sex. It further bans any discussion about topics that are not "age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students" without identifying what any of that means. It also allows parents of students to take schools to court and seek financial damages for violations of this very vaguely written law.
Nonprofit group Equality Florida filed suit Thursday in the U.S. District Court of the Northern District of Florida, joined by some gay and trans students in Florida schools, several gay couples with children in public schools, and a teacher.
The lawsuit describes H.B. 1557 as a bill that does not, in fact, stop overly vivid discussions of sex with children but instead attempts to censor speech about LGBT issues, sexual or not:
It offends principles of free speech and equal protection by seeking to censor discussions of sexual orientation or gender identity that recognize and respect LGBTQ people and their families. It offends due process by using broad and vague terms to define its prohibitions—thus inviting discriminatory enforcement and magnifying its chilling effect on speech. And it arises from discriminatory purposes and outdated sex-based stereotypes that offend deeply rooted constitutional and statutory requirements.
The lawsuit explains what people mean when they call it the "Don't Say Gay" bill, even though the text of the bill doesn't technically forbid saying "gay." The bill authorizes families to sue over violations of terms that are never defined by the bill:
H.B. 1557 recruits every parent as a roving censor, armed with a legal warrant to sue schools for damages whenever they believe a teacher, a student, or any "third party" has provided any "classroom instruction" that may be perceived as relating to "sexual orientation" or "gender identity." The potential for arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement here is self-evident—and it reflects a choice designed to maximize the law's in terrorem (threatening) effects. H.B. 1557 thus operates in a manner antithetical to reasonable requirements of an age or developmentally appropriate education, instead creating a scheme in which parents can use the threat of litigation over vague statutory terms to menace school boards and intimidate teachers into offering a skewed, discriminatory curriculum.
The lawsuit lists a bunch of potential discussions of LGBT issues that aren't inherently about sex or gender identity and questions whether they run afoul of the law. "Can a student of two gay parents talk about their family during a class debate about civics? Can that student paint a family portrait in art class? Can a lesbian student refer to their own coming out experience while responding to a work of literature? Can a transgender student talk about their gender identity while studying civil rights in history class?"
If you believe people who say that H.B. 1557 is about stopping only sexual discussions around children, you might think that the answer to these questions would be "yes." But that's not what the bill actually says, and this lawsuit is intended to highlight that fundamental flaw. In fact, when one lawmaker attempted to amend the bill to make the language more explicitly about prohibiting discussion of "human sexuality or sexual activity," he was shot down.
The lawsuit lists six counts of potential First and 14th Amendment violations. Plaintiffs argue that the law should be considered "void for vagueness," a judicial principle that requires that laws (particularly criminal laws or laws that have penalties like this one) have clear definitions of their prohibitions. In this case, because all the terms go undefined and the "state standards" the bill refers to do not yet exist, the plaintiffs argue that they are uncertain about what they can legally discuss without violating H.B. 1557.
The lawsuit further claims that the bill violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment by targeting LGBT people and treating them differently from other people. (Under the text of the bill, a teacher could quite vividly discuss sexual behavior with school children as long as it's heterosexual behavior.) They argue the law violates the First Amendment rights of students to receive information for reasons unrelated to pedagogical concerns and by creating a chilling effect that censors speech.
The lawsuit asks the court to stop Florida from implementing and enforcing H.B. 1557.
As a reminder, the last big bill Florida passed out of political spite, S.B. 7072, their "anti-Big Tech" bill that attempts to wrest control away from social media platforms, has been blocked by a federal judge for violating the First Amendment rights of the social media companies. The judge further warned that several of the bill's provisions were "especially vague," an issue because the bill also threatened massive fines. Don't be surprised if the exact same thing happens here.
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Pretty safe to assume Shackford wants children to be sexual objects at this point.
No. He just wants to teach kindergarteners that some men have front holes and some women have ladydick. Why are you such a prude? It's 2022!
No hash tag?
#LibertariansForTeaching6YearOldsAboutLadydick
#aremenwithfrontholespussies
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Speaking of sexualization of children, one the biggest perpetrators of this atrocity just fessed up to doing so, along with other atrocities, in Canada:
Pope apologizes for Church's role in Canada's Indigenous school system
https://abcnews.go.com/International/pope-francis-apologizes-churchs-role-canadas-indigenous-residential/story?id=83806881
Ironically, public schools DWARF the Catholic Church in terms of molestation issues.
Activists: We don't teach this at all.
Also: How dare you stop us from teaching this.
A lot of folks are weirdly committed to teaching trans behavior to 4 year olds.
It's amazing how well they are able to talk out of both sides of their mouth.
I just had this exact debate with a handful of tony types on another platform.
They literally argued exactly this:. A)
There is no issue because nobody ever does any of these things, therefore Florida has politicized the classroom for no reason.
And then
B) this bill makes LGBTQIA+ people unsafe, because they need support and resources from a young age to let them know that they are accepted as they are. Blocking teachers from talking about this with students is literally putting their lives in danger.
This was followed up with much discussion of how girls can get their period at 8, so they need to have education about gender identity and orientation issues by the age of 6 and 7 so that they will be able to properly understand what is happening if they do get their period at 8.
So.... You must teach 1st and second grade kids about sexual orientation and gender identity.
Literally "that does not exist" and "that absolutely must exist" from the same person in the same conversation, multiple times.
And I actually believe this was a true case of willful doublethink, an extreme version of cognitive dissonance. Even when quoted back, they were incapable of understanding that they were being completely contradictory. When truly cornered, all they could do was pull different examples of "some Republican said this random unrelated thing that I think is offensive". There was no comprehension of their own position at all.
I can say this:. The Democrats really believe that this issue is a stone cold winner for them. They are ecstatic that DeSantis has taken the bait and outed himself as a transphobic bigot who is literally worse than Hitler.
Grooming and indoctrination are more effective when started at an early age.
Third grade, dude.
Keep your goddamned hands and gender off of the children, why is this so hard for “committed activists”?
Because they're pedos or enablers of pedos committed to destroying Western society and all it has created.
They want Weimar and are too stupid to know where that leads,
Nonprofit group Equality Florida filed suit Thursday in the U.S. District Court of the Northern District of Florida, joined by some gay and trans students in Florida schools, several gay couples with children in public schools, and a teacher.
I can only presume that the judge will throw the lawsuit out for mootness since none of those students are in K-3, and if none of the members of that org have children that age.
Of course, I don't understand why these fuckers that are so into this can't just tell their own kindergarteners about anal if they're so het up that they know about it.
https://twitter.com/lone_rides/status/1509933344737398785?t=ZECUGVCdipzi9I6fULPdqA&s=19
The Left has a groomer and pedophile problem and until they address it, they have no moral authority on anything.
"Republicans hate the LGBT community!"
First, verifiably false.
Second, what does the LGBT community have to do with groomers and pedophiles?
Unless you're saying that the groomers and pedophiles are using the LGBT community as shields, which means they should be driven out.
See, you're not dealing with the old school conservatives.
They're still around, they just exist in your party as "former Republicans" grifting off your stupidity.
You're dealing with the conservatives who don't rightly care if men marry or women live together. Hell, if a man wants to become a woman and his husband is cool with the transition and they become straight-by-definition, we don't care.
Not our circus. Not our monkeys.
Dye your hair pink, slap a Trans Lives Matter sticker on your car, and wear socks with sandals. We don't care.
Just get our coffee order right. That's all we want.
The problem is when you decide you're going to start telling our children that they're not really hims and hers, but they're zes and zers.
Who the actual hell do you think you are, confusing them like that?
Just because your mental illness has effed up your life doesn't mean you get to spread that shit to other people.
See your therapist. Get well.
"But your kids are growing up with gender and pronoun norms and they may be trans or gay or fluid."
And when they decide that, I will be there to talk to them. But it will be their decision, not some gender studies loser who was dumb enough to take loans out for a shit degree.
What kids think about:
Can I go play? What's for dinner? Can I have a snack?
What kids don't think about:
What are my pronouns? Who do I find sexually attractive?
If you're actively trying to change what kids think about, you're a groomer.
An eight-year old equally aware enough to be a part of a straight or LGBTQIA2+ community sounds like a precocious puberty (or maybe molestation) sufferer.
“Equally” was supposed to be “sexually”.
In 2022, we have been told those words are equivalent.
An eight-year old equally aware enough to be a part of a straight or LGBTQIA2+ community sounds like a precocious puberty (or maybe molestation) sufferer.
Or a child of progressive activists.
The Left has a groomer and pedophile problem
There's also a small number of libertarians who see age of consent as a NAP issue.
Well it is a NAP issue. That is, you are violating the Non Aggression Principle by engaging in sex with someone without their consent. And a child simply cannot give their consent.
It really is that simple.
If only it actually were. Unless you think a pair of 17 year olds having sex are actually raping each other because neither is capable of consent. I certainly thought I was capable of consenting to sex when I was 17 years old, and with someone who was well over 18 at the time as well!
And since they absolutely are considered children legally, that means the line isn't that simple. Which is where they keep prying at, of course, to widen the gap of what's considered acceptable.
^This
Here's the thing. To "not care" is the worst thing you can do. It's worse than calling them names. It's worse than physically attacking them. You have to care, man!!. Caring means validation. Your indifference means you're not giving your full attention. Not caring means their lives have no meaning.
A long time ago, there was a Simpsons episode where the family goes to Hollywood and on the tour of the stars' homes they pass by the house of Ellen DeGeneres and Anne Heche (that's how long ago it was - prehistoric) and they're on swings shouting, "Look at us, we're lesbians!"
The whole point is your attention and that you care, really care!
#DeathSantis — along with Drumpf and Joe Rogan, of course — is responsible for literally every covid death in the US since Biden's inauguration. As if that wasn't enough, he's just made it illegal for anyone to say "gay" in the state of Florida.
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But that's not what the law actually says—it instead bans discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" in those grades, not sex. It further bans any discussion about topics that are not "age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students" without identifying what any of that means.
you answered your own 'whatever that means' in the very next sentence.
You what's not developmentally appropriate for kindergartners? Their school teachers talking about sex and genderqueer studies theories with them.
There are volumes of medical and psychological research about what's developmentally appropriate for children at particular ages. And I'm sure the state dept of ed probably has some kind of standards document. It's not that hard to figure out the answers to this question.
The answer to the question is actually in the bill but Scott's too fucking mendacious to show it to us.
His kind can’t win an argument without lying.
And they are also full of shit. The law specifically directs the DISTRICT to establish what "age-appropriate" means. The law says, "Hey, you need to define these standards, and then your schools are required to follow those standards."
It's always good to get someone's agenda written down so people can more easily see what it is.
Scott's a fucking liar. What the bill says is, "in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards." Meaning there are STATE STANDARDS which specifically spell out what is considered age and developmentally appropriate.
Scott cuts off the point where it specifically refers teachers to where they can get clarification, and then calls it vague because he's a disingenuous fuck.
Scott, if the bill really is that disgusting, just tell the truth. People will see. If you have to lie about the bill to make it sound bad, it's probably not very bad, or at least people will be more likely to think it's not bad because you fucking LIED.
To reiterate what I addressed to Scott yesterday, get your head out of your ass and grow the fuck up.
Just like Sullum’s article about Trump’s 1/6 speech, where he “quoted” the end of the speech, except he took out “go in peace”.
Reason has become a dishonest clown show.
Compare the coverage of Garrett Foster and Ashli Babbitt.
+1, beat me to it. I am amazed at the gall of this overt deception.
I’m reminded of the Southpark episode where Garrison is teaching the kindergartners all of the different unorthodox sexual positions.
We need to get the sociopolitical activism out of schools, left and right.
we need to eliminate public schools. period.
Agreed.
And until then we need to keep the pedo freaks from spending public moneys grooming a captive audience of grade schoolers.
Because that's just fucked up.
+1
word.
And until then we need to keep the pedo freaks from spending public moneys grooming a captive audience of grade schoolers.
Because that's just fucked up.
But almost certainly, somehow, not worse than slavery.
We need to get the sociopolitical activism out of schools, left and right.
The problem is trying to get left-wing sociopolitical activism out of schools is itself now considered right-wing sociopolitical activism.
dude those topics are not age appropriate for government employees and children.
Nothing says free speech like telling a bunch of 5 year olds about ass sex, complete with pictures. Any any push back means the downfall of democracy.
also, that's definitely not happening. but the law to stop it from happening is an attack on gay people
It's not even about free speech. The legislation was about public school curricula - ie. the stuff you pay "teachers" to say.
Can Shackford get any more dishonest about this?
You bet he can; just wait.
To be sure.
https://twitter.com/BullyMaus/status/1509744988409798665?t=L4E2pLr_50gBVWR4Q0CseQ&s=19
The Left: Student loans should be forgiven bc 18 year olds were too young to fully understand what they were doing. Society failed them.
Also the Left: Kids know their true selves. Their identity should be affirmed no matter the cost. Discussion & asking qs are hate crimes.
18 year olds were too young to fully understand what they were doing
They should definitely be voting, though.
The true mark of any progressive policy is that it is hypocritical in nature.
i.e: Private social media companies can kick off who they like, but government must be allowed to mandate who they hire.
We must tar all white people / gun owners with the same brush as the homicidal nut jobs, but not all Muslims are terrorists and must be protected.
The same rule can often be applied the other way, but often in less egregious ways.
"i.e: Private social media companies can kick off who they like, but government must be allowed to mandate who they hire."
That isn't hypocritical at all. It is treating two very different things differently.
"We must tar all white people / gun owners with the same brush as the homicidal nut jobs, but not all Muslims are terrorists and must be protected."
That would be hypocritical, if it happened.
And in this case it is bad that a law removes immunity from civil suits from a class of government employees.
Not really a fan of this bill, but these arguments seem disingenuous.
Can a student of two gay parents talk about their family during a class debate about civics?
I don't see anything in the bill that would prohibit it, since the bill is about what discussions the teacher is initiating.
And do we do a lot of class debate about civics in third grade?
Can that student paint a family portrait in art class?
Again, what in the bill would say they can't?
Can a lesbian student refer to their own coming out experience while responding to a work of literature?
In third grade? Again, probably they could, since the bill is about what the teacher does, not the students, but . . . do we really have a lot of third-grade lesbians reflecting on their coming out experience while discussing the poetry of Adrienne Rich?
Can a transgender student talk about their gender identity while studying civil rights in history class?
In third grade? Again, probably yes (see above), but I do wonder sometimes why it's become so important to nail down kids' sexual preferences before they get to fourth grade.
Again - I'm not particularly a fan of the "don't talk about gender or sexual orientation" language, because it's vague, but it's not as vague as its critics are making it out to be, and mostly the bill is saying "schools don't have a right to presume that parents are abusers and to hide information about their children if there are no grounds to treat them as abusers under the already robust mandatory reporting requirements, which cover all forms of child abuse regardless of the gender or sexual orientation of the child."
I.e. it's saying "schools don't have a right to hide information from parents unless there's an actual reason to believe that the parents are a danger to the child."
Yeah, that entire passage is ridiculous. We're talking about kids in grades K-3. The only example that might be relevant is the one about a kid drawing a picture, and like you said, the law is about what the teacher can do, not the student.
It wouldn't be that hard for the state dept of ed to establish some standards for what's "age and developmentally appropriate." There's a wealth of research out there on early childhood development.
Public school curriculum is not a free speech forum for public school teachers. Their job is to deliver instructional material to students. I'm not sure why it's so goddam important for them to inject sexuality into elementary school curriculum.
I don't think sexuality should be a part of it at that age, the only thing that should be taught is from a biological standpoint of how babies are made.
Nothing really to do with sexual preference, or behaviours. Nobody would think twice about introducing BDSM or sex swings in classes. Stick to the biological aspects.
In a just world, where reality is not subject to the gatekeepers in politics, media and academia, these people should be afraid to put forth these ideas lest they be run out of town for being the paedo groomers they are.
Wanting to talk about your sexual exploits with kids is creepy and about a step away from literally sharing them with them.
I posted on the same stuff below. The arguments are idiotic, because the law and the arguments APPLY TO THIRD GRADERS OR YOUNGER. People have become so unhinged by their ideology that anything approaching reasonable thought is gone.
I didn’t do kindergarten but I can’t imagine Mrs Hornbuckle or Mrs MacDonald wanting to have a discussion about anything related to sex in first or second grade. Neither did Miss Espy in third which is unfortunate because she was a young hottie.
I know that my kids had loads of civics debates in PreK 4 that touched on issues of gender identity in the family unit. It really does come up surprisingly frequently when discussing the impact of the Enlightenment on US government structure.
I.e. it's saying "schools don't have a right to hide information from parents unless there's an actual reason to believe that the parents are a danger to the child."
And,even then, the 'right to hide' is exceedingly narrow. If the parent grills a teacher between the end of school pickup and the time the teacher or principal can call the police, maybe. Otherwise, if the parents are accused of something they have a right to know. The school isn't responsible for collecting testimony or evidence. The conversation with the child has no reason to go much past "Did somebody at home touch you in a way that made you feel uncomfortable?" and the vagueness ambiguity is explicit for all kinds of reasons from preserving evidence to including all kinds of touching from all kinds of people who may've told them not to talk.
There is unequivocally no reason for the schools to be hiding information if a teacher is the one taking all the action. You have zero right to privacy in your role as a public school teacher.
The more I read here, the more I keep seeing the sixties poster "reality is a crutch".
I don't think the constitutionally of the law is really of any concern to the Governor or legislature. It was about signally to the base and that has been accomplished, no matter what happens in the court.
The fact is that the Republican politicians seem pretty ok with sex and drugs, maybe even rock n roll, as reported by their own member. It might be better to focus on their own problem with orgies and blow. And just leave the gay kids alone.
You’re clearly a breeder. Gay men have the best sex in the world because we know how to mix parTying (T = crystal meth), BB (bareback, no condoms), poppers (amyl nitrite) to relax anal sphincter, PrEP and BDSM.
Really, if gay men needed your help in defending us against politicians, where the f*** were you when we needed your assistance in gay marriage, that neither Obama, Hillary nor Pelosi proposed in Congressional legislation? Stop using us homos for your bullshit politics. We have made it this far in spite of breeders like you.
In 2006, I voted against the amendment to the Wisconsin Constitution that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. I have supported gay marriage for a long time. So enough of that faux outrage.
The reality is this law is just red meat for the base and has no basis in reality.
If that were true, nobody would be opposed.
And just leave the gay kids alone.
Of course, the bill doesn't restrict the kids in any way, just the teachers. So, yes! Just leave the gay kids alone instead of forcibly outing them at school.
And, again, not just the gay kids. Straight teachers are prevented from grooming straight kindergarten through third graders equally.
Or straight teachers grooming gay kids, etc.
"just leave the gay kids alone"
That is actually 100% what the bill does. Your welcome. Clearly you didnt come prepared
"It was about signally to the base"
If you're not part of the base against sexually grooming very young children, then you're probably part of the problem, Shrikesock.
So, you think gays should be denied access or orgies and blow or do you just think they have plenty of their own?
"I don't think the constitutionally of the law is really of any concern to the Governor or legislature."
1. You don't really think. You rationalize.
2. The Constitutionality of the law is plain. Would you have the same problem with a law that said schools should not discuss Young Earth theories during geology?
No he wouldn’t. But he’s hide behind the skirt of science to justify his rank hypocrisy.
"Can a lesbian student refer to their own coming out experience while responding to a work of literature?"
What "work of literature" in 3rd grade would be even remotely relevant to a lesbian coming out story? The Very Hungry Caterpillar? Give me a fucking break, Shackford.
Also, the correct pronoun is "her," because lesbians are women who are sexually attracted to other women. And transwomen are not women. They are transwomen, which is a completely different thing.
“Also, the correct pronoun is "her,"”
It’s fucked up you have to say that.
Who are all these people who want to teach sexual related stuff to kids third grade or younger? They’re so hell bent on indoctrinating children that they can’t even consider the harm in what they’re doing. These laws are vague and stupid, and the enforcement mechanism is bullshit (as a Texan I should apologize for our having started this trend) but the laws wouldn’t be necessary or even happening if the woke/intersectionalists/anti-racists being sooooo dames focused on indoctrinating little kids.
And the lawsuit point about a lesbian not being able to come out is ridiculous. Is there really a lot of that happening with third graders or younger? Of course their isn’t.
*there isn’t. Fucking autocorrect.
You noticed that and not "dames focused"?
From a certain perspective, a lot of this does trickle down, if only indirectly, from the women's lib movement.
They are surprisingly common in our school district (which is excellent, but in far left Broward County). Even our elementary school features several openly gay teachers who display pride paraphernalia in the class.
Most teachers would self-identify as allies. They often slide leftist ideals into class via reading and writing exercises (the same way they have to wedge science and history lessons in.) Teachers here get paid based on reading, writing and arithmetic. And PE is mandated by the state. So that is almost all they get.
At the Junior High level my kids have attended 2 different schools thusfar. Both kids had teachers who are LGBTQIA and display such in the class and who run LGBTQIA+ clubs. So far as I can tell, they have not brought anything that I would classify as harmful to the school as relates to this topic, but there is quite a lot of far left, even Marxist ideology that filters out. Many of the very best teachers have this as a baseline belief system, in fact.
My wife and I volunteer at the school a lot (hundreds of hours each), so we have a much better handle than most on what is up. As libertarians, our toes have not been stepped on thusfar. But if you were a religious conservative who taught your kids that homosexuality is a sin, you definitely would not be happy. The same goes for those who would not be happy with their kids hearing that premarital sex is OK.
Overall I am quite happy, even impressed with our schools. But saying "this doesn't exist" is just flat dishonest.
In my house we try to prepare the soul such that only healthy plants can take root, and weeds find no purchase. It remains to be seen how successful that is, but sofar they seem to be following our values.
It remains to be seen how successful that is, but sofar they seem to be following our values.
As a farmer, there's only so much tilling that can be done and no amount of it stops pesticide, pollen, or seed drift.
Is your kids’ school in Wilton Manors or Oakland Park?
Who are all these people who want to teach sexual related stuff to kids third grade or younger?
Welcome to the victimocracy. The only way to the top is to drive everyone around you into justifiably hating you so much that they want to strangle you with their own two hands and then using the law to stop them.
Once again, Leftist activists are disingenuously claiming the clear is vague and trying their to make the clear impenetrable. Fuck off Scott, you and the rest of the pro-pedo leftists are lying and evil.
"LGBT School Censorship Bill"
That's a funny way to talk about what is an "anti-grooming bill".
Also it doesnt censor LGBT topics, it prohibits all sexualized topics in very young children.
"Anti-Sexualization of Children Bill" would be much more apt
it prohibits all sexualized topics in very young children
Actually it doesn't. The specific language at issue in the bill is this:
A school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.
From TFA:
"In fact, when one lawmaker attempted to amend the bill to make the language more explicitly about prohibiting discussion of "human sexuality or sexual activity," he was shot down."
Actually it doesn't.
Holy fuck.
The bill pertains only to orientations and genders contained in Aleph null. Genders and identities outside the set are unfairly discriminated against.
You identify as the square root of negative 1 and your gender is imaginary isn't it?
Jesus Fucking Christ you people are actively encouraging others to go insane and shoot you.
The bill pertains only to orientations and genders contained in Aleph null.
Which =/= "all sexualized topics."
Which, again, as noted, was deliberate.
Which =/= "all sexualized topics."
At this point if teachers wanted to teach kids the merits of slitting your throat and skull fucking your corpse, gay or straight, I'm convinced we'd all be better off.
No shit because "gender identity" isn't about human sexuality so they were trying to change the scope to neuter it.
I replied to this in another comment as well, but that isn't in fact what the bill as passed says. Scott linked to an earlier version of the bill.
I remember the days when gays were often trying to dispel the incorrect notion that being gay doesn't mean being into kids.
Now it seems they openly advocating for the right to groom schoolkids.
Florida Sued by Activists,
Students, Parents, and TeachersOver LGBT School Censorship BillFixed the headline for you, Scott.
Maybe it's time for you to stop pretending that vociferous groomers and child castrators are a grassroots movement, though. It's... oh, what's that word... oh yeah, "evil".
"(Under the text of the bill, a teacher could quite vividly discuss sexual behavior with school children as long as it's heterosexual behavior.)"
How? The bill makes no distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality. If the bill prohibits talking about homosexual sex, it necessarily bans talking about heterosexual sex, because heterosexuality is a sexual orientation just as homosexuality is.
Scott's practicing a special journolismerist technique popularly called "lying".
A widely used practice by journo terrorists like CNN, NYT,WAPO, MSNBC etc.
I can't decide if it's just that Scott is this stupid, or if he thinks we're stupid enough to not notice that he's just flat out speaking blatant falsehoods that are obvious to anyone who is capable of reading, which is presumably 100% of his audience as an author. Though, if it's #1, and it's that Scott is just this stupid, maybe he hasn't actually thought that far ahead.
There is a difference between "discussion" and "instruction", though it's probably easy for one to morph into the other. Is there a reason to could not simply quote the relevant passage from the bill and had to paraphrase it instead?
From the article:
But that's not what the law actually says—it instead bans discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" in those grades, not sex.
The bill says:
"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age
accordance with state standards."
I can understand that they would use a "nickname" of the bill while it was unnamed, but it now actually has a name - Parental Rights in Education. The writer should probably start using that if they want to keep any air of balance to their reporting.
It was also called an "anti-grooming" bill by its proponents, but has Reason ever said this when they were reporting on it? Or have they stuck to just always calling it what the people against it call it?
^THIS x1000^
Just for the record:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF
Now you don't have to take anyone's word for what the bill says; just read the damn thing for yourself.
What K-3 class has “civics debates”? If there are any, that’s a problem that should be addressed first. There’s no point whatsoever other than indoctrination to have 7 year olds have a “civics debate.”
Seems a legit question. My 2 Dads/Moms is a thing, and it’s quite common for K-3 aged kids to paint/draw their family. And I can see how this could negatively complicate matters in the classroom.
There are no lesbian K-3 aged children. That’s just an average 7 year old girl who thinks boys are yucky, or likes playing with trucks.
There are no transgender K-3 aged children. That’s just a normal 7 year old boy who likes to wear his mom’s high heels.
So 1 of 4 questions posed has some legitimacy. The other 3 are absurd from the get-go.
If that’s the best they have, it’s not a good sign for them.
My 2 Dads/Moms is a thing, and it’s quite common for K-3 aged kids to paint/draw their family. And I can see how this could negatively complicate matters in the classroom.
Nope. Unless the kid draws mom(s)/dad(s) having sex there's no sexual or gender issue any more than if they'd drawn a picture of their Mom/Dad and Aunt/Uncle. If the kid draws their moms/dads having sex, the appropriate discussion immediately orients around the child's witnessing/involvement and potentially contacting the authorities, not educating the children.
Moreover, all of the above in a non-biased, according to the law, manner. Hetero parents shouldn't be including their kids in sexual activities any more than homo parents.
"Nope. Unless the kid draws mom(s)/dad(s) having sex there's no sexual or gender issue any more than if they'd drawn a picture of their Mom/Dad and Aunt/Uncle."
What? That doesn't make any sense. The law bans instruction on gender identity and sexual orientation. That is about a whole lot more than "sex." Two married people are expressing an orientation simply by getting married. People express gender identity every time they talk about "boys and girls." If a teacher says "Draw a picture of your family" or "Boys line up in one line and girls another," that could be read as instruction under this law.
Reminds me of legislation in the USA in the 1950s directed at getting communist propaganda out of the schools. To this day, activists misrepresent it as making it illegal to teach about communism, rather than to teach communism.
The lawsuit further claims that the bill violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment by targeting LGBT people and treating them differently from other people.
They're wrong. Teachers can't teach about heterosexual relationships either. Heterosexuality is a gender orientation, and discussion of gender orientation is banned. So is talking about gender identity, which means you can't teach about what makes and what makes a girl. You can't. It's the same restrictions on the LGBTs as on the straights.
Bunch of mendacious fuckheads involved in this.
(Under the text of the bill, a teacher could quite vividly discuss sexual behavior with school children as long as it's heterosexual behavior.)
No, they fucking can't, because the bill requires them to adhere to STATE STANDARDS. I doubt the Kama-Sutra is listed on the State Standards for third graders. A teacher simply can't come in and talk about nipple clamps or anal beads to kids.
THESE. PEOPLE. ARE. FULL. OF. SHIT.
The idea is absurd. As if a hetero teacher can just graphically talk about sex in the classroom at ANY grade level just because he's straight, and it's just fine.
Any discussion of a sexual nature with a younger minor used to be considered sexual engagement with them and reportable.
It still is. Scott is rather explicitly arguing to grant special protections to school teachers. Because, I guess, he doesn't actually give two shits about libertarianism.
As the article clearly points out, the law does not ban conversations about sex.
Did you read the entire article?
"In this case, because all the terms go undefined and the "state standards" the bill refers to do not yet exist, the plaintiffs argue that they are uncertain about what they can legally discuss without violating H.B. 1557."
I do think the sentence you quoted is inaccurate, but for a different reason--the law bans any instruction on sexual orientation, which goes far beyond sex. A straight couple in a fairy tale getting married and kissing at the end is an expression of sexual orientation---is Snow White now banned under Florida law? (Of course, no one is going to sue over Snow White, but they are likely to sue over a similar story that ends in a same-sex marriage, because the former is not considered to be about orientation and the latter is.)
Bunch of mendacious fuckheads involved in this.
It's gaslighting and it works as demonstrated by the gay marriage debate and its general acceptance today. History is practically remembered and recounted as Conservatives lynching homosexuals when, in fact, the earliest salvos by Conservatives in the debate was how homosexuality is a choice and race isn't. And the return salvo came back that it's genetic (you know, the way you don't develop your eye color or detached ear lobes until you hit puberty and start interacting with other people) and opposing gay marriage was the same as opposing miscegenation.
And here we are now.
And the return salvo came back that it's genetic (you know, the way you don't develop your eye color or detached ear lobes until you hit puberty and start interacting with other people) and opposing gay marriage was the same as opposing miscegenation.
I get that for some portion of the species, the "appropriate" gender didn't become interesting to them until they got older, but for at least some of us, we always knew they were interesting. I circled the pictures of the girls in my grade that I thought were cute in my yearbook. In kindergarten. I have effectively always been interested in girls.
I presume there's some homosexual out there with a similar story.
And while, of course, back in 1983, being a gay 6 year old might have been really confusing, because at least I had lots and lots of modeled relationships to go on, and gay couples were significantly more rare, these days... what kid these days doesn't know that gay people exist and are basically boring and normal people with mortgages and shit.
I circled the pictures of the girls in my grade that I thought were cute in my yearbook. In kindergarten. I have effectively always been interested in girls.
Since before I could talk I was infatuated with an orange 1969 Dodge Charger. The first, more visceral, infatuation I remember was the smell of Strawberry Shortcake dolls. Justice is blind, so my infatuation with Chargers and Strawberry Shortcake dolls is immaterial, even as a mitigating factor, relative to my choice of actions regarding running moonshine or collecting pre-pubescent "dolls" that smell nice.
Related:. I can report that in our middle Schools, lesbianism is a fad of epic proportions. Lots of the 12 and 13 year old girls talk about it, brag that they are lesbians, have a lesbian girlfriend (the kind that is from Canada, you don't know her) and variously toss the topic around as a fashion accessory. As near as I can tell, none of the girls that I know who are playing that game have hit full on puberty yet. Once the hormones kick in with the unrelenting power that we all remember from being teens, those sorts of musings dry up quickly as overpowering hormonal urges take control of their every thought.
If my daughter were to participate in any kind of fad, I suppose I would rather it be the lesbian fad than that getting-pregnant fad from a while back.
Related: my oldest daughter is gay. She said she liked girls when she was about 15, she's 18 now and still likes girls. It was not a surprise at all, since she never showed any interest in boys even after she hit puberty.
When she told me, I was actually relieved because it meant she wouldn't get pregnant in high school.
Related:. I can report that in our middle Schools, lesbianism is a fad of epic proportions.
Related: I can report first hand that this has been the case since at least the late-80s. I spent my Jr. High and early HS years getting turned down and thirst trapped by "lesbians". The Summer between Jr. and Sr. year, I worked with a 17 yr. old lesbian who got herself emancipated and was living with her 20-something girlfriend. It was a very edifying experience. Especially when her 20-something girlfriend came in one night to pick her up and started flirting with me behind her back. Second hand, I know it's been, if not fashionable, at least knowledgeable both ways ("Bug off creep. I'm not into guys.", "Stay away. She's a dyke.", and "*We* can show you a good time.") since the late 60s/early 70s.
While I can agree I would probably want my daughter, if I had one, into the lesbian fad rather than the pregnancy fad, I remain unconvinced of the benefits of the "Let's use sex to manipulate *more* people." fad or fads in general. As the father of sons, the whole thing looks a lot like yet another bit in the libertine feminist victimocracy psychodrama.
..and you would be correct in your impression.
Yeah, there is a huge amount of pressure on teenagers to identify as some kind of non-hetero 'unique special snowflake'
Something like 60% kids felt that pressure with about 30% identifying as said snowflake.
I'm going to go all old man and blame social media.
We used to have a song…I think we started singing it 4-5th grade though…
I love you,
You love me,
Homosexuality!
People think that we’re just friends
But we’re really LESBIANS!
(Yeah, well…we thought it was hilarious at the time)
Wow! You were a very creative prodigy even then! 🙂
For those of you not in Florida, I can report that the age appropriate sex education classes begin in 5th grade, per state standards.
Our school system includes 2 days of instruction about sexual orientation and gender identity. It only features 1 day of discussion about boy parts and girl parts and gametes and babies. It features a second day on issues like dating, masturbation, etc.
I don't remember the details, but the instructions as not that bad. I read all of the materials before the classes, went over our family version well before the classes and related my criticism to the school administration and the system board and superintendent... 40% of instruction about LGBTQIA+ is way, way out of proportion.
In the real world, it turned out that the balance was only that way when printed on a syllabus. As to actual instruction, it was more like 10%
When I went through sex ed in HS, it had been unofficially mandated that sex ed cover gay/lesbian sex. So they took a good couple of minutes to discuss anal tearing. This was considered to be propaganizing and removed. This when the country was still in the throws of the AIDS epidemic and when sex ed was still only taught at the HS level so the kids could see and remember exactly what kind of bullshit both sides were playing. And I say "both sides" in the sense that one side didn't want to talk about sex and, if forced, wanted to talk about the risks and the other side wanted you to try it all and remain ignorant of the consequences.
In my old age, I have reached the conclusion that abstinence is really the best approach for kids.
It's not prudish, I think there are plenty of things for kids to get up to sexually, without having to play russian roulette with their futures just to commit one sex act.
No risk, no disease, no pregnancy.
Yeah, "abstinence is the best" policy was relegated to somewhere between impractical, therefore useless, therefore not taught, and moralizing, therefore religious, therefore not allowed to be taught.
Imagine how much less stupid everyone would be if sex ed consisted of "Don't have sex until you're independent and/or married. Otherwise, always use protection." and that's it.
I recall sex ed in 5th grade (1977-78 school year) when we got to finally see THE FILM! To our disappointment it was diagram drawings. That is where I learned about menstruation (I already knew where babies come from.)
In our High School health studies class there was a section on protected sex. I remember the teacher saying “But you know what the best contraception is?”And one girl said, “Oh PLEASE don’t say abstinence!” So she (the teacher) didn’t say it. She just smiled and nodded.
Except it just doesn't work.
Abstinence or public education in general?
Yes.
Trick question. Abstinence does work. Teaching it doesn't.
The cool thing is that we have an easy way to see if abstinence-only education works: compare STD, pregnancy, and abortion rates in regions with abstinence-only education with those same rates in regions with comprehensive sex ed. Many studies have been done on this topic, and they overwhelmingly show that regions which have comprehensive sex ed programs have lower rates of all of these things.
A reminder to those LGBTQ and Feminist activists who think we didn't see this coming (keep in mind Georgetown is the oldest Catholic University in the country):
In 2000, Robert Swope, a conservative contributor to a Georgetown University newspaper, The Hoya, wrote an article critical of the play [The Vagina Monologues].[27] He suggested there was a contradiction between the promotion of rape awareness on V-Day and the monologue "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could", in which an adult woman recalls being given alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman[28] as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation "It was a good rape."
Outcry from the play's supporters resulted in Swope's being fired from the staff of The Hoya, before the piece was even run. Swope had previously criticized the play in an article he wrote entitled "Georgetown Women's Center: Indispensable Asset or Improper Expenditure?" His termination received critical editorial coverage in The Wall Street Journal,[29] Salon,[30] National Review,[31] The Atlantic Monthly, The Washington Times, The Weekly Standard, and by Wendy McElroy of iFeminists.[32]
Keep in mind that Georgetown
Not being very hip or up to date on things, I just need someone here to explain to me why it's important - apparently really, really, REALLY important - to teach kindergartners about transgender and homosexual issues. Whyzat? These are illiterate tykes barely past the rug-crawling stage. Why is it so SO important? I really need to know.
It's the rug-crawler to rug-muncher pipeline!
And in old-news; Commie-Education creates a Power-Mad conflict.
As-if "Commie" didn't have a history of such outcomes.
Sorry, flagged in error!
We went through this in East Germany in the 1970s. The idea was to disrupt capitalistic norms, all of them. That included morality and traditional family values.
I don't think it likely that here in the US it will get to the point of 8 year olds pressured into having sex at school, if only because parents are now paying attention.
Any teacher who feels like they really need to talk to little kids about sex is a person to watch out for. They are not doing it for the benefit of the kids. Either it is subversive politics, or they get off on talking about sex to little kids.
Neither option is good news to parents.
So parents push legislators to put a stop to it, before it gets too out of hand. Even though such legislation is going to be clumsy, it is better and more civilized than how parents might instinctively respond to a teacher being sexually inappropriate with their kids.
Cultural marxism...and look who is pushing this crap? Look at the Admiral...nuff said.
Why does Shackford feel the need to lie about the Groomer Doomer?
Can we please now just admit the obvious: That Republicans are hateful, lying sacks of shit? The "groomers" label is a very old homophobic lie and repeating it shows just have awful Republicans are. They are buggers who would fit it in much better in Saudi Arabia then the US.
You mean only LGBT has the right to instruct Commie-Education???
Maybe Commie-Education is the problem from the start....
Maybe Individual Liberty and Justice doesn't begin with [WE] mob indoctrination...
Oh fuck off.
You'd know that "buggers" is a mild slur against gays?
I am using it as a reference to a particular activity, not specific to orientation.
Mighty white of you.
Uh, OK. Republicans are hateful, lying sacks of shit. That's still better than hateful, lying sacks of shit that want to diddle kids as policy.
The fact that the people who's side you're taking would get tossed off a building in SA isn't exactly the message you think it is.
lol, it's breaking. I cannot wait for your crying at midterms.
LOL
https://twitter.com/GPrime85/status/1509934661065187333?t=3YrB9XZSXZw9pGzosFhKnw&s=19
Trans Man: "It feels like everyone avoids me now, like a predator. I feel lonely and mad all the time. When I reach out and share my feelings of emotional starvation with other men, they tell me to shut the fuck up and deal with it, as if this is supposed to be normal."
When I'm feeling emotionally starved, I emotionally feed myself like an adult. No wait, that's just regular starved and regular feeding myself.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'd say, "sack up, cowboy," but I think the doc took that option.
"Nobody warned me it'd be like this. I thought doors would open, not find even more bolted shut. I feel trapped in my own body & mind. Other men suggest they're ALL going through this, but that's just not possible! How do ANY of them get out of bed in the morning?"
Prospective transgender men ought to learn about the territory they wish to inhabit before committing to the journey, because “shut the fuck up and deal with it” is the norm in male society, as is a distinct lack of sympathy for those pussies who don’t shut the fuck up.
It should have learned about stoicism beforehand.
Whomever thought doors would open for men didn't do the least bit of research.
How do I get out of bed in the morning? One leg at a time, just like everybody else. Welcome to the real world.
Not LOL
Not at all
https://twitter.com/Antman0528/status/1509998282990305282?t=-ooyboPf4yrzpulhfMgrrw&s=19
Transgendered dolls are now being sold in toy stores. The assault to normalize this on young children is only going to get worse. Why are they so adamant about exposing kids to this?
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https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1510076811056717826?t=Eezch0ElMItQMms_4XSlZw&s=19
Teachers who like to talk about sex and sexuality with Kindergartners are quitting their jobs in Florida.
Awesome outcome!
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I can’t believe I would defend Scott against John.
Children being indoctrinated by adults for sexual perversion is never good for a nation.
Sexually 'liberating' the women while oppressing the men doesn't generally turn out well either.
These days my three year old daughter consistently pretends she is a dog. I'm in a Blue state, so I worry about not affirming her personal body image.
I want to say she's still biologically a human, but I'm not a veterinarian.
Should I bring a leash on walks to stay conpliant with city ordinances? I haven't found anyone willing to spay yet, so I hope I don't get fined.
I haven't found anyone willing to spay yet, so I hope I don't get fined.
It's a delicate balance but current research suggests you've still got plenty of time. If you spay her well before her first estrus, you can virtually eliminate her chance of breast cancer. However, for larger dogs and breeds with orthopedic issues, it's better to wait until the bones have fully elongated before spaying, usually as close to the first estrus as possible. (And people think I'm a monster because I have a because I have a bright red line that delineates between dogs/livestock/property and people.)
Better hope she doesn't want to be Batman, cause not only would she have to transition, you'd have to die.
Any story that uses the "don't say gay bill" moniker but doesn't give the actual name of the bill, Parental Rights in Education Bill, is propagandistic bull crap and I'll have no part of it.
Koch whores go to bat for welfare queens having the right to talk to your kids about their perverse sexual fetishes, but if you don't want to bake a cake then it's complicated and you're a bigot.
Pedo friendly messaging from Shack of shit
Govt schools teach about sexual reproduction in middle school (we used to call that junior high). There is zero need for govt schools to provide education or "support" for a child's own decisions as they reach puberty and adulthood.
The issue is the gay and "confused biology" lobby honestly believes parents are "stopping" new members of their tribes from becoming members. The Trans lobby itself is very small and has convinced itself trans are almost a majority in society and they just have to reach the kids first before...well before the parents don't let them make life changing decisions before they are eight years old. Honestly if someone is Gay, not having a govt school talk about it isn't going to stop them from being gay.
As for the Trans lobby, you are looking at some issues when someone who is a biological man for example "decides" they are a woman...in a free country they can call themselves what they want but it doesn't change reality.
So now the government of the State of Florida is starting to rumble about removing Disney's special status under the Reedy Creek Development Unit.
So, what is the over/under on when (not if, but when) the Reason article appears explaining how this special arrangement that excludes Disney's Florida properties from local governance is really some sort of super duper libertopia?
"If you have any poo, fling it now."
You know, exploitation of children is way less of a problem in institutions which you can legally leave. DeSantis could have proposed a "Don't-Say-Or-Do-Compulsory-Schooling" Act and that would be wonderful!
You know, exploitation of children is way less of a problem in institutions which you can legally leave.
Not if the institution can legally deceive you or otherwise prevent you from knowing what's going on in the first place. You're granting honesty and good faith to people actively voiding it. Even under the bill, a school can teach orientation/gender curricula, they just can't do it without the parents' knowledge/consent. Seriously people, read the bill.
If you could legally leave for any reason or none, it wouldn't matter. Get behind "Don't Say Or Do Compulsory Schooling" and you won't have to tie yourself in knots as I see you usually do over this subject.
There are non-sexual ways to talk about sexual orientation to kids. For example, you can explain that in some families there are two mommies or two daddies.
Same-sex couples adopt. Kids have relatives that invite them to same-sex marriages. It's a topic that kids deal with in this modern age even if there's no mention of sex. It's worth introducing the topic in schools.
For example, you can explain that in some families there are two mommies or two daddies.
The bill is written such that two mommies or two daddies is immaterial. We don't teach kids about one mommy and one daddy sexually in K-3. The opposition, by demonizing it as "Don't say gay", is showing their hand and saying they want to teach them about homosexuality and transgenderism sexually (and, as I point out above, showing their hand *again* and, in context, in a distinctly non-objective light). Even if you agreed that it should be taught, the whole thing indicates that the advocates have no business being anywhere near education, sexual or otherwise. We all read "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." some of us, somehow, came away with the lesson "We need to teach nee preschoolers about sex."
You keep adding in the word "sexually," even though that appears nowhere in the law. We don't teach kids about one mommy and one daddy sexually in K-3, but they absolutely do learn about family structures including a mommy and a daddy, and they understand that mommies and daddies are sometimes married to one another. This is instruction on sexual orientation (marriage) and gender identity (mommies and daddies are gendered terms). This is, under the law, illegal. Sexual orientation has to do with a lot more than just sex. When kids read a fairy tale that ends with a prince marrying a princess, they are seeing sexual orientation in a way that they can understand at their limited level. No parent is going to sue over this. But they WILL sue over kids being read a nearly identical fairy tale featuring a prince marrying another prince, because all of a sudden, that's about sex. The law is designed precisely to get this discriminatory effect; that's the reason it's so vague and the reason it relies on private rights of action.
Schools are not funded for this purpose. They are funded to teach kids reading, writing, math, and hard science. Sexual reproduction as part of biology class and methods of contraception. It would be nice to have classes in Austrian economics and basic finance/personal finance as well. But why in hell should schools be covering same sex marriage or any marriage for that matter...cultural marxists are always having issues with freedom in society and need govt to push their agenda.
Teachers read stories to their students. Many of those stories are fairy tales. Most of those fairy tales end in marriage. Is this "instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity?" What if the marriage involves two male characters?
I honestly don't ever recall any stories that end in marriage in elementary school...and if so just don't use those. Schools should not be giving any guidance on sexual matters at that age.
Ridiculous. Your teachers didn't read you Cinderella? Snow White? Sleeping Beauty? Just because you don't remember these things doesn't mean they didn't happen. And no elementary kids see a couple getting married at the end of a fairy tale a "sexual matter."
It is really weird to see conservatives sexualizing everyday aspects of life like this. Just admit you're fine with depictions of straight marriages in children's stories and not with depictions of gay marriages.
"But that's not what the law actually says—it instead bans discussion about "sexual orientation or gender identity" in those grades, not sex." -Reason
BUT THATS NOT WHAT THE LAW SAYS
It actually says
"A school district may not encourage classroom
discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in
primary grade levels or in a manner that is not age-appropriate
or developmentally appropriate for students."
It does not ban discussion, it bans SCHOOLS from ENCOURAGING discussion.
It's kind of pathetic that everyone's discussion of "what the bill actually says" uses the OUTDATED original version that was linked to in the article, instead of the final version at https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF
Specifically, the important section reads: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
By the time the bill passed, almost all of the complaints this article made had been addressed.
Damnit, youre right. I used Reasons link. But my point is still right. The bill doesnt ban discussion, it bans 'instruction'.
The two additional ORs bother me. Also the lack of current state standards. As stated in the article the second two conditionals apply to any grade in Florida public schools. Where are the state standards? They really should be in place. Also why is the onus only on the school system to pay for the magistrate or attorney fees in a lawsuit and not the parents? Can a parent continually file frivolous complaints without some skin in the game?
Good libertarians should want a cost benefit analysis done on any proposed legislation. In this case where are the exemplars that demonstrate this is a current issue? Also what is instruction about sexual orientation or gender identity? Is referring to the make up structure of different families in violation of that standard? Is a picture book showing two individuals romantically kissing no matter what their gender a violation?
Good questions. Almost no one in the comments cares about the answers, because they'd rather just be angry at LGBT people.
Not angry..just protecting from a very fringe group who are pushing child abuse..
Thank you for conceding you cannot answer any of MikeinIowa's questions.
BS..."good libertarians" don't do cost/benefit but have core beliefs. Should you apply cost/benefit to free speech? Firearms? Hell Keynsian economics or central banking?
This idea that there are "millions" of five year olds who are being oppressed by their Catholic Parents from embracing their transgenderism and only govt schools can liberate them and allow them to join the tribe is crap. And that is what this is about..a very small group that is focused on increasing their numbers. A sexual preference is something very individual for a young person to decide as they reach adulthood...not at five years old.
What is the "core libertarian belief" behind this law? It isn't a libertarian measure at all. It's a socially conservative one.
I am interested to read what this author opines after reading the Colorado 2019 HB19-1032. In that bill, the exact opposite is enshrined into law - that all children have to be exposed to all aspects of sexuality if sex ed is offered. The Florida law is a protective reaction to the sex grooming that other states are putting as requirements into their laws.
You are lying. The bill does not say anything close to "all children have to be exposed to all aspects of sexuality" if sex ed is offered. You can read what it does require here. If you think this covers "all aspects of sexuality," you have led a very sheltered life. And of course, nothing in this bill is anything close to "grooming."
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/02/27/colorado-sex-ed-bill-fact-fiction/
Lol.