Putin's Aggression Is Isolating the New Nationalists
Hungary's Viktor Orbán becomes the latest Kremlin crony to break ranks.

In a decree announced quietly via government gazette on Monday, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán reversed his recent position by authorizing NATO troops to be deployed to western Hungary and weapons shipments to cross Hungarian soil, though not directly across the country's 85-mile border into Ukraine.
The move marks the latest tap dance, not just for Hungary's most dominant politician, but for all anti-multilateral European nationalists who have spent the past several years cozying up to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Orbán, who as recently as five weeks ago visited Moscow and described Putin's demands on Ukraine as "normal," has, since the invasion, expressed support for the same European Union economic sanctions he had previously predicted were "doomed to failure."
The flip-flop is not hard to understand. Orbán faces an uncomfortably close election on April 3, and Hungarians have some of the sharpest memories on the continent when it comes to the horrors of an invading army from Moscow using overwhelming force to put down a ragtag rebellion in an allegedly sovereign country. As the Hungarian daily newspaper Pesti Hírlap put it on the cover of its February 24 edition, "Russians, Go Home!"
That phrase, since chanted at demonstrations in front of the Russian embassy in Budapest, has special resonance in Hungarian politics. Not only was it a rallying cry during the 1956 Revolution, but it was also re-popularized during 1989 protests by a rising young political star named Viktor Orbán. While adopting multiple personae throughout his 34-year political career, Orbán has never wavered from being venerator-in-chief of 1956. Choosing the Russian side of this latest invasion would mean political suicide.
Similar come-to-Jesus moments have recently visited such longtime Putin pals as Czech President Miloš Zeman and French nationalist Marine Le Pen. Shared complaints about the E.U., NATO, and the liberal international order now share priority with a refreshed anti-Russian alliance, even among politicians who have benefited directly from Putin's oligarchical state. "How Putin made the EU great again," came the recent cheeky headline in Politico Europe.
The Russian incursion laid bare one of the fundamental dissonances within the industrialized world's populist, right-wing, nationalist movements. Having long made the argument—with some cause—that multilateral institutions are elite, anti-democratic bodies corrosive to national sovereignty, the populists have never gotten around to proposing a replacement, but have instead cheered on whichever local strongman shares their critique.
Well, it turns out that nationalists untethered from mediating institutions tend not to be the nicest of neighbors. And their commitment to "sovereignty" is skin-deep.
Former vice president and putative 2024 presidential contender Mike Pence raised some eyebrows in September when he traveled to Hungary to kiss Orbán's ring and participate in a gruesome gathering of Euro-nationalists titled the Budapest Demographic Summit. But even there, Pence got a whiff of how American conservatives' purported ideological brethren actually have very different attitudes about Moscow and Beijing, when his attempted applause line about "stand[ing] with the U.S. against China" was met with stony silence. Small-country nationalism is client-state corruption waiting to happen.
Putin and his oligarchical state have spent two decades cultivating politicians, buying media outlets, and signing long-term gas contracts all over Europe, preferably with partners who share his self-interested hostility toward the post–World War II multilateral institutions that were largely designed to contain Russian-dominated communism. But to the extent that Putin's foreign allies care about their own domestic popularity in 2022, they're dropping the Kremlin like a hot rock.
There are lessons to be learned here for the small U.S. coterie of Putin-curious pundits and would-be politicians. But will the New Nationalists take the hint?
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>>putative 2024 presidential contender Mike Pence
lolz
Maybe McMuffin can be his VP.
GIF animators, unite!
1. Start with that 'Z' in a graphic.
2. Turn it into two 'Z's.
3. Flip them both over backwards ('S' orientation).
4. Rotate one 'Z' until it interlocks with the other, forming a swastika.
5. Post on every social media site til it leaks into Russia proper.
6. Let simmer for 1 week.
7. Serve cold.
Great. now we’ll have to get by with a 25 word alphabet.
Letters you mean. 25 words would be really stultifying for a language. 🙂
People on Reason comment thread's been getting by with that for years
Not enough homophobia.
While calling Ukrainians Nazis, Putin has in the past also accused them of being part of an LGBT conspiracy. So Z is for Zorro vanquishing the Gay Blade!
Please. Don Diego is cool. Don't beSMERSH him by associating Zorro with Putin.
Pop-Up Video Factoid: Zorro, along with The Scarlet Pimpernel, was an inspiration for Bob Cane's Batman. The similarities abound. A rich guy in w corrupt society takes on a costumed alter ego and fights for justice and has a unique symbol that makes him well-known.
You think they care about being called Nazis?
They were communists, ffs - same thing.
It really is
Putin has actually been calling anyone he disagrees with Nazis. He claims the Ukrainian government is run by Nazis. The Russian state-run media has been saying the same thing.
Literally neonazis do have considerable influence in the Ukrainian government because they are the street muscle of Zelensky's sponsor.
Neo-Nazis that answer directly to the Jewish President?
Nice neocon article from Reason.
Lotta that going around these parts lately.
They lied about covid to take totalitarian power, but I'm sure they're telling the truth this time!
"'This jet is made from paper. But what if it were steel?' New York based artists are calling President Biden for a No Fly Zone over Ukraine and a full embargo on Russia."
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1500901408345886732?s=20&t=pSCeXdteJuHdWpCChMG0fA
Everyone's a superhero. Everyone's a Captain Kirk.
This is it boys, this is war!
We make a no fly zone by covering the air space with red ballons.
Is this a joke?
"The Russian incursion laid bare one of the fundamental dissonances within the industrialized world's populist, right-wing, nationalist movements"
"Populist, right-wing, nationalist" are bad names you can call anyone who doesn't toady to the Davos crew. The opposite being "elitist, left-wing, global-imperialist", and those are apparently good things.
+10000000000000
Nice, in this formulation pro-Putin is anti-imperialist. That takes some creativity, kudos.
Kidding of course. Orwellian inversion is the norm.
Similar come-to-Jesus moments have recently visited such longtime Putin pals as Czech President Miloš Zeman and French nationalist Marine Le Pen. Shared complaints about the E.U., NATO, and the liberal international now share priority with a refreshed anti-Russian alliance, even among politicians who have benefited directly from Putin's oligarchical state. "How Putin made the EU great again," came the recent cheeky headline in Politico Europe.
Here at TeenReason nothing's hotter than neocons, globalist imperialism and intra-governmental bureaucracy.
Zenan got a Fact Czech.
Since Chumby isn't here, you are the Vaclav Havel of the Velvet Revolution of Puns!
Say, speaking of, where is Chumby? I hope and trust not in the middle of all that.
Reason is really obsessed with Orban.
Funny they don't cover other world leaders much.
Well they got rid of Shikha because everyone was exhausted hearing about Modi.
I mean, Modi's an ass. But Shikha Dalmia was utterly insane about it.
Seriously, Dalmia wrote, and Reason actually ran, a hagiography of a Marxist-Leninist whose vocal support for Maoist terrorists got her fired from her own family's newspaper.
Nationalism is an anachronism of the disastrous early 20th century, preceded by it's 19th century horrors and earlier colonialism. It's dysfunctional in a shrunken interdependent world which is not a matter of choice but simple reality, and which in fact has been a positive force for political, economic ,and technological advancement as well as the decline of racism. More people live in democracies now than in the past you seem to nostalgic for. Wake the fuck up! We're not going back to that nonsense, alive that is.
What on earth makes you think Nationalism is the opposite of democracy?
But Sky, I didn't say it was. I did say democracy has flourished in our modern interdependent world.
By what metric? Ratings of actual democratic values continue to fall in the "free world."
Salted, the numbers of humans living in democracies has slipped some in the last decade, but still higher than at any previous time as both a percentage of the human population and in total numbers.
As to metrics, that gets complicated and with more people each voice has less weight. Which do you consider more freedom - the ability to own a slave or the ability to marry a black person if you choose? In America, the first right has been taken away while the second is constitutionally protected.
Modern nationalism goes back to the Treaty of Westphalia, you ill-read moron.
Red Rocks you twit, the early 20th century was a calamity of hyper nationalism as ultimately expressed in fascism and hopefully the last of that kind. I didn't say it was it's beginning.
Fascism believed that fractured local communities should be bound together into one big nation under a single totalitarian government. That was its “nationalism”: the erasure of local differences.
Instead of learning from that mistake, you compound it, by trying to bind together the entire world. You aren’t just a fascist, Joe, you are a hyper fascist.
NOYB, you're wrong. Fascism required worship of the nation and whatever strong man was running it. The term originated in Italy but has been commonly used to describe the other nations of that period including Germany and Spain. Japan similarly promoted religious like obeisance to the state and it's leader.
Thank you for reinforcing NOYB's point.
Under which nominally democratic leftist government is dissent from conforming diversity tolerated?
Hell, one need not have nominal democratic government or nominally fair or nominally just policies or administrations for dissent from the monoculture's viewpoints on equity, diversity, curbing freedom of expression, in fact curbing all basic individual rights to not be tolerated.
Salted, define your terms. By leftist, you mean? In modern North America and Europe it is a rarity that political dissent is not allowed.
Yeah, no country like Canada would ever declare martial law to deal with non-violent protestors who simply disagreed with basic policy.
UR kinda stupid Joe... NOYB2 said exactly what you just said while you called it "wrong".
NOYB2, "communities should be bound together into one big nation under a single totalitarian government"
YOU, "Fascism required worship of the nation and whatever strong man was running it"
Then (while not stating it specifically) believe/infer that so long as that totalitarian NATIONAL government/strong-man was "Democratically" elected it somehow dismissed Fascism....
JUST LIKE HOW HITLER CAME TO GERMANY.... "Democratically".
What will save the USA from Fascism; Well lets start by saying National Governments (i.e. Federal) shouldn't be totalitarian (EXACTLY WHAT DEMOCRATS PUSH FOR) and in the exact same sense say that there shouldn't be a Strong-Man but perhaps a STRONG Supreme Law of "the people" over their government.
One just has to love how Democratic "indoctrination" has learned so many that obvious reality and common-sense if "a lie".... lol..
I agree. Specifically, fascism required worship of the nation and its leaders in place of local communities, churches, and civil institutions.
No, I'm right, and you just agreed with me: fascism is worship of the nation and its leaders, destroying all other forms of human self-governance and association.
What is dysfunctional is a “shrunken interdependent world” where everybody is an interchangeable cog in some gigantic global governing machinery.
Sadly, fascism/socialism has won and taken over the world, and people like you think it’s great.
There's little evidence of that NYOB except for some reactionary movements like Trumpism, Marie Le Pen in France, etc.
How many of your posterboys have shook Klaus Schwab's fundraising hand again?
DK who that is Salted.
Reactionary movement for what Joe?
Trump Campaigned on LIMITED (i.e. DE-REGULATING) the Federal Government.....
Your "evidence" couldn't slap you in the face any harder...
Are you to deny that Trumps De-Regulating Administration wasn't an attack on the ever-growing Nationalism, Socialism and Fascism created by leftards???
NOYB2 pegs you right on the head with, "people like you think it's great."
Joe, you are a fascist, you simply don't realize it.
You are setting up an false dilemma here of Nationalism vs. Multinationalism/Internationalism. There is also the Rational Patriotism that treats the nation like a good parent does his or her offspring. A Rational Patriot loves the good things about his or her Nation and tries to steer it towards a good course and away from destruction. Also a rational love of one's Nation does not preclude loving good things about other nations.
Nationalism, by contrast, is the love of Stepford children for an abusive Fatherland or Motherland. And Multinationalism/Internationalism is a Home Owner's Association of an Intentional Community of Stepford Karens and Chads, all trying to jockey and one-up each other and rival factions of Karens and Chads for ultimate power.
I guess I'll have to buy the program Encogit. I'm not getting what may or may not be an amusing analogy.
Maybe you could stop being ignorant and buy the program of LIMITED government and Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
And democracy in general is in a decline because your one world order totalitarian lefties only tolerate approved diversity and believe with the right hammer, everyone fits in their designated space.
Racism is boosted and on life support as your panic of Karens hunts down any perceived slight and segregate people for safe spaces while bestowing rewards and punishment based on melanin count.
Progressives are evil hypocrites who need to go away and not come back.
Confusing Salted how you think increased diversity is a decline of freedoms. Surely you agree that racism is declining, or you have no sense of history.
But apparently your idea of freedom includes eliminating those you disagree with. Why am I talking to you?
"your idea of freedom includes eliminating those you disagree with" --- says those perky as h*ll to weild the POWER of gov-guns at anything and everything.
You lefties are a contradiction in every sense of the word.
Diversity in the US is imposed by the government at the national level; that is a "decline of freedoms".
And what does "diversity" have to do with "racism"?
No, that is what the progressive/fascist idea of freedom includes: your idea.
https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2022/03/02/the-history-behind-the-russia-ukraine-war/
I’m not entirely sure why libertarians would be happy about NATO extending its tendrils further.
NOYB, maybe because we in the west exist as democracies with freedoms because of successful defense, or it's threat.
Except that NATO kept creeping in on Russia with "defensive" military bases and missile platforms and against decades of Russian warnings.
Who could have imagined that might make some people nervous?
Gee, I'm nervous my neighbor has a shotgun. I better blow up his house tonight.
Are you talking about Democrats plans to steal everyone's shotgun by the force of Government Tactics? You also project just like lefties do.
Well, that's the way Putin thinks. That's the way Putin announced he would act. That's the way Putin has acted.
The fact that you think that that is not a reasonable way for Putin to act doesn't change that he predictably acts that way.
But the brilliant minds running Western democracies decided to ignore all that and expand NATO anyway, saying that they were fully justified in doing it and that it didn't matter to them what Russia wanted.
That's how we got here: the arrogance of Western diplomats and governments who ignored what was predictably going to happen.
"Democracies with freedoms" are not libertarian.
And spreading Western democracies to unwilling other nations through military threats, occupations, and taxpayer bribery is about as anti-libertarian as you can be.
Hungary is in the EU. They are kissing the ring because they don’t have a choice.
So how are these "former" totalitarian breakaway States different from, say, the U.S. Republican Party in 1936 or 1940? Or even 2022? The biggest difference is the GOP can no longer point to Hitler as Jesus Christ's bulwark against the horrors of Judeo-Bolshevism. All they have left is Duterte, Widido and some Monroe Doctrine caudillo puppets.
It was American progressives and intellectuals who had a love fest with Hitler and Mussolini, just like American progressives and intellectuals had embraced racism, Keynesianism, propaganda, eugenics, segregation, and slavery.
Many of them still do to this day.
Articles like this should mention that Reason used to be buddy buddy with Russia's state owned propaganda outlet, Russia Today
I think it only stopped because of the Fox Business Channel picking up the Independents show (and that mostly because of Kennedy)
Yeah, its one thing to have to give your boyfriend a BJ occasionally; its another when he moves in and takes over your place.
I'm a little bit confused about the notion that he's wrong or flip-flopping on 'economic sanctions he had previously predicted were "doomed to failure."'
Is the argument against him that they would've prevented Russia from invading the Ukraine or that he's saying they could only succeed if Russia has already invaded and he couldn't have known they would or they still won't?
Or is Orban's flip-flopping on not being wrong proof, absent other evidence, that Reason is right?
Or it's a case of him not thinking Russia is being unreasonable when they're demanding things, then still finding the invasion unreasonable at a later date because that's a different thing. If you used to think your neighbor was cool, then he later went on to shoot up a school and you said he's a douchebag, are you really flip-flopping, or just updating with new information?
This whole article seemed disingenuous as fuck.
Exactly. You can't reason with a bully when he's standing over you with clenched fists.
And he his response about Russia having valid concerns doesn't mean he supported war, just that he felt Putin had some valid concerns that the west was ignoring. Once Putin invaded, it isn't a flipflop to condemn Putin's invasion.
Iraq had violated almost all of the cease fire agreement from 1991 by 2003, acknowledging that doesn't mean that you also couldn't say the US was wrong to invade Iraq.
Orban bad. Because Tucker. Or something
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Y'know, I coulda stood to live the rest of my life without a mental image of Putain bobbing Orban's knob.
*shudder*
Russiamanbad!
Tucker Carlson
It's because the remaining piece of shit Koch is nothing but Soros' stooge now, and Soros absolutely hates Orban.
Agreed; opinions are updated on the fly. This was a poor attempt at explaining the situation, with a dig at one welch's preferred bogeymen, icky nationalists.
I was left with the same impression. Ironically, what this article calls a "flip-flop" actually undermines the author's entire argument about nationalism. As the article unwittingly points out, becoming a client-state of Moscow is not in the national interests of the Hungarian people, and their highest elected official has changed his track to reflect the attitudes of the electorate.
If cosmopolites actually cared for the well-being of the world, they would advocate to preserve the U.S. hegemon that has led to unprecedented peace and prosperity over the last 70 years. If the United States cedes its position atop this pecking order or allows itself to be displaced by the emergence of another superpower, there would be obvious and significant consequences for the greater geopolitical order, many of which would be next to impossible to anticipate.
Instead, this article makes it painfully obvious that the cosmopolitan concern for the "collective good" is nothing but pretext to remove democratic processes that hinder global elitists from imposing their views on as many people as possible.