Dave Chappelle Is a NIMBY
The comedian doesn’t want a new subdivision behind his house. Fortunately, he can’t stop it.

Dave Chappelle is literally opposed to new development in his backyard. But private property rights prevent him from doing much more than talking about "not in my backyard" (NIMBY) views.
At a Monday meeting of the Village Council of Yellow Springs, Ohio, the famous comedian joined his fellow residents in speaking out against the plans of local developer Oberer to construct a new neighborhood in the community.
"I'm not bluffing. I will take it all off the table," said Chappelle at the hearing, an apparent threat to pull his planned business investments out of Yellow Springs. The Dayton Daily News, which first reported on the story, says that the comedian has plans to launch a restaurant and comedy club in the town.
Later that evening, the village council failed in a tied 2–2 vote to approve a rezoning ordinance that would have allowed Oberer to move forward with its project; a mix of single-family homes, duplexes, and townhomes totaling 140 units on a 55-acre site recently annexed into Yellow Springs.
That was the outcome Chappelle and other Yellow Springs anti-development activists were hoping for. But it's not going to get them what they want.
While Oberer's proposal for a mix of housing types is dead, it still has every ability to move forward with its initial plan for the property: a single-family subdivision that could add 143 new homes to the village.
There's every indication that Oberer intends to follow through on building a single-family neighborhood. Workers for the company were cutting down trees behind Chappelle's house—which abuts the site of the proposed development—just days after the Monday village council vote, says Yellow Springs Village Manager Josue Salmeron.
The company will still have to get a subdivision plan approved by the village and then obtain building permits for the single-family homes it will now build. But that's all a routine administrative process, says Salmeron. The village has basically no discretion to stop it.
People who had hoped that a village council vote sandbagging Oberer's rezoning request would kill the new subdivision or get the developer to modify its plans were wasting their energies, says Village Council Member Marianne MacQueen.
Opponents "were misinformed and did not understand that the village negotiated as good as we could do," she tells Reason. The rezoning Oberer had requested from the council, she notes, had been the product of over a year of talks between the company and the village.
When Oberer first purchased its Yellow Springs site, it had initially talked about building a new, solely single-family subdivision. MacQueen says that vision didn't mesh well with the village's stated goal of attracting a more diverse set of more affordable housing types to the community.
Shortly after Oberer bought the property, village staff approached the company with the idea of building a neighborhood with a mix of housing types. After some initial trepidation, the company proved receptive to the idea of working out a planned unit development (PUD) agreement with the village.
Eventually, Oberer and Yellow Springs hashed out a plan for a neighborhood featuring 64 single-family homes, 52 duplex units, and 24 townhome units. The latter two types of units would sell for about $100,000 less than the single-family homes, says Salmeron.
Oberer also agreed to build a public park and donate 1.75 acres to the village to be used as the site of a future income-restricted housing development. Village documents suggest that 20 or more units could end up on that site.
It's not necessarily ideal from a libertarian perspective that the local government would have so much input into Oberer's project. Indeed, the developer and village staff negotiated on everything from homeowners association rules in the new development to the angle of outdoor lighting fixtures.
Still, the company always had the option of pressing ahead with its original single-family development plan, so the PUD seems voluntary enough. (Oberer didn't respond to Reason's request for comment.)
In order to legalize those planned duplexes and townhomes, the village council needed to vote on a rezoning of Oberer's property from its existing single-family residential zoning to higher-density residential zoning.
That process brought out a lot of opposition to Oberer's planned development, including from Chappelle.
"I just want to say I am adamantly opposed to it," he said at a December hearing, reports WHIO TV 7. "I have invested millions of dollars in town. If you push this thing through, what I'm investing in is no longer applicable."
MacQueen separates opposition to the Oberer development into three factions.
The majority of opponents, she says, wanted the city to renegotiate a different PUD agreement with more affordable housing, better environmental protections, and other public benefits. Another smaller group preferred having an exclusively single-family development.
A third faction, which MacQueen says included Chappelle, was generally opposed to development on the site. "They felt that if they defeated the PUD they could find ways to continue to put roadblocks in the way of the developer," she says.
MacQueen says she, like the majority of opponents, would also have preferred a PUD with more affordable housing. But the city has no leverage to compel Oberer to agree to something like that. Stopping development outright wasn't going to happen either, given that Oberer's property was already zoned for single-family housing.
"[Oberer] bought the property. They have the right to do that. It doesn't have to come to council. It's not something that we'd vote on. It's by-right," she tells Reason.
At Monday's meeting, village staff said that any effort to rezone Oberer's property to stop development without the company's consent would see the village hit with a lawsuit it would almost certainly lose.
Chappelle, in his brief public comment, suggested that the city should be more worried about him withdrawing his investment from the village than a lawsuit from Oberer.
"Why the village council would be afraid of litigation from a $24 million company while it kicks out a 65 million-a-year company," he said. "I cannot believe you would make me audition for you. You look like clowns."
That warning seemed to be enough to kill the PUD. Whether it will goad the village into taking further action to stop Oberer's development isn't clear. (Council members who voted against the PUD didn't return Reason's request for comment.)
It's not obvious that the village has either the legal ability or political will to stop the developer from moving ahead. As mentioned, the company is already at work clearing its property to make way for new homes.
That detail distinguishes the Yellow Springs episode from many other development spats around the country.
Whether it's rural Ohio or downtown San Francisco, plans for new housing often spark local opposition from residents who worry about the impacts new homes will have on traffic, property values, or sunlight.
The difference is that in San Francisco, the law gives politicians and NIMBY neighbors boundless opportunities to stop or delay the approval of new housing. Its elected officials have near unchecked discretion to deny even totally zone-compliant projects. Individual citizens or special interest groups can also gum up the works with cynical environmental lawsuits.
As a result, the city builds much less housing than it could, and what does get built takes much longer than it should. San Francisco is one of the worst offenders in this regard, but it's hardly the only city that makes development painstakingly difficult. Hostility to new housing is the primary reason that these cities have become so unaffordable.
While Yellow Springs is a small community, its growing popularity is also putting upward pressure on home prices and rents.
Oberer's plans for dozens of new homes in the village will help suppress those rising housing costs. That's a good thing, and there's not a lot that angry residents (even famous ones) can do about it.
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Saw that on the Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10495129/Dave-Chappelle-speaks-against-housing-development-Yellow-Springs.html
This article greatly over-simplifies these issues.
140 units have an enormous effect on a small town.
The people already living there will have to suck up massive increases to infrastructure.
Who is paying for the new waste treatment plant and the increased burden on water and sewer infrastructure?
The new roads and parking it takes to transport all those people.
Police, fire, ambulance services?
Residents already living there will be forced to pay for all that, and that increases the net coercion people of that town will have to deal with.
Zoning laws, and the power to influence your local milieu, are not anti-libertarian in moderation.
SO those new residents won't be paying property taxes, fuel taxes, sales taxes and every other fee and tax levied upon the current residents? Give me a break.
I think he's saying that total per-capita local government spending is going to increase, along with everyone's property taxes.
And he thinks the solution is to force families to buy more real estate so the bureaucrats can tax it?
One "break", comin' up.
The development will not pay taxes equal to their use of resources.
That's because taxes at the county level are not assessed by the person, but on the value of the property.
So, a newcomer with a family of 5 with a 1/8 acre plot will pay far, far less in taxes than Chapelle, who owns several hundred acres. This is despite the fact that they are using far more infrastructure resources than Chapelle.
Zoning laws are a way to address this disparity. If people don't like them, they can simply vote out the old town board.
It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.
"The development will not pay taxes equal to their use of resources."
Your evidence for that is? Sure, Chapelle pays more in taxes than someone with a 1/8 acre lot. The system was designed that way. In general, right or wrong, that's what society decides to do. If you're viewed as more wealthy, you get taxed more. Everyone argues about the proportions, but that's how the system is set up. Personally, I think EVERYONE should have to pay taxes if any of us do. You make $100.00 a year? Then pay 5%, you make a million, pay 25% or something. Everyone should have skin in the game, but that's a different topic. All those new homes will bring revenue to the local community in the form of taxes, but that's shouldn't be the goal, it's just a side effect. The owner of the land isn't creating an un-shielded nuclear reactor on the property, harming everyone in the surrounding area. They bought the property, and they're entitled to fair use of it, just the same as if you owned it. If those new homeowners/tenants don't pay enough to support the share of goods and services they use, then either cut services, or raise taxes. You can complain about the change to the neighborhood, but if it's not your property, and it's not being used for some unusual use that overtly harms surrounding residents, then you're just doing the NIMBY dance with different words.
We can fantasize about changing the way taxes are assessed, or cutting services based on one's level of payment.
But in the real world, we need to use the tools we've got in the box, not the ones we wish we had. And the only tool we've got here are zoning laws.
One need not build a "nuclear reactor"
to "overtly harm" the surrounding community. The classic example is the farmer who dams a brook on his property, thereby putting all the farms downstream out of business.
The developer, or more to the point, the people who will buy the units are doing the same thing.
They're radically changing the nature of the place in a way that detracts from the "fair use" for other residents.
In this way, Mr. Chappelle is no "NIMBY". That implies hypocrisy...the snooty liberal who constantly talks up "low income housing" then fights it when one is planned in his neighborhood.
As far as I know, Mr. Chappelle is merely trying to preserve the character of the place he calls "home".
He's invested his heart and soul (and a good chunk of his money) in a quiet, rural town, and he'd prefer not to see it transformed into yet another sterile, cookie-cutter suburb. He's resisting this with the tools at his disposal - zoning laws.
Except that it sounds like Chappelle and his wealthy neighbors don't have a legal leg to stand on. That company that OWNS the property wasted years planning low income housing and a bunch of other garbage that would have brought down the value of the nearby homes. Inadvertently(so he says), Chappelle has helped this company to now ignore building any low income homes. I get the suspicion that this is what Chappelle really wants but I'll believe his malarky. I'll believe that he wants nothing built in his back yard. Too bad. I hope they build a school right behind his house so he gets to hear those upper middle class kids screaming, and laughing, and playing all day.
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Chapelle could buy it and then not develop the site. But why pay for the cow when the milk is free?
I hope they put the park directly behind his house.
Didn’t want dingers moving in.
“Dave Chappelle Is a NIMBY”
That’s racist.
Nigger in my back yard is definitely over the line
A third faction, which MacQueen says included Chappelle, was generally opposed to development on the site.
Why should I trust MacQueen's description of Dave's motives? Nothing in the article backs up her claim. If he is just against the PUD, and is fine with the development else wise; then I take no issue with that. Get government out of housing.
Exactly. But Christian wanted to make Dave sound bad, so . . .
Is he trying for honorary White?
Trying for honorary White was some of his greatest work. See Clayton Bigsby:
https://youtu.be/BLNDqxrUUwQ
Clayton Bigsby School, anyone?
I'm a NIMBY too - at some point the county is going to pave the road Infront of my house, install water and sewer mains, and want me to pay for it.
And I do not need or want that stuff.
Actually, you're a NIMFY (Not In My Front Yard).
Yes in Your Back Yard!
Also, it sounds like the developers are getting exactly what they want - a market value subdivision without all the government carveouts normally mandated in order to exercise power and buy votes.
Damn! He called Chappelle the N-word.
Lol, well played
Yellow Springs sounds like a place a former president would be interested in . . . according to anonymous sources that have totally not been (directly) paid for by his political opponents.
Chappelle just got the huge benefit he probably wanted. He doesn't have to worry about "neighbors" that can only afford the duplexes and townhomes and gets the middle/upper class neighbors that can afford market value homes.
If Yellow Springs would actually support a $65 million per year business, someone else will build it if Chappelle backs out. It didn't mention if he has already presented plans presented for zoning and construction approval or if there has been a feasibility study that supports his "planned business investments."
Is it real or just a red herring to "take my ball and go home" attitude if he didn't get his way.
Chappelle just got the huge benefit he probably wanted. He doesn't have to worry about "neighbors" that can only afford the duplexes and townhomes and gets the middle/upper class neighbors that can afford market value homes.
Yeah, MacQueen separates the oppositionists into 3 categories, but that doesn't mean the oppositionists do. I could absolutely see a member being in the opposition and falling into all three groups (or 2 of the 3) with a with a "If I can't have that then..." between each tier.
Moreover, from a libertarian perspective, this is kinda how things are supposed to work. SJWs cry to the city, "WE NEED MORE
HUD SUBSIDIESAFFORDABLE HOUSING!", the residents say, "No way, I'd rather have open fields than high density or affordable housing." and the city, the developer, and the residents all arrive at a plan that gets houses built without spoiling whatever je ne ce quoi (some of) the residents feel they have or bought into. At least, I don't see a libertarian case to be had in the inverse 'real estate developers working with the city plunked down a high density development that the residents don't like' situation. Dave's presumably a big name in the community and Oberer presumably has big pockets, I find it difficult to say whether the NIMBYs or the YIMBYs should win. Certainly not a case for libertarians outside Yellow Springs to give a shit about.Bear in mind that Yellow Springs is close to Dayton (and WPAFB), Cincinnati, and Columbus, Ohio, and an easy drive from Indy.
You make it sound worse than i already pictured.
Jargon alert:
WPAFB = https://www.wpafb.af.mil/
Dave invested a bunch of money in the town and now he's appalled to find out it's growing.
The town currently has 300-400 fewer residents than it did in 1970 (when the population was barely over 3 times what it was in 1860).
It's hard to imagine there's really an urgent need for a single development that could accommodate a 3-4% growth in the population from its current level. The stronger argument against the development would seem to be a questionable investment, but they should be free to make that mistake if they choose to (and their investors are on board with that level of risk).
Correction, it had about 400 more residents in 1980, not 1970.
It's also had negative population growth in every decade since then except for 2010-2020.
I'd like to see more recent trends. I've visited Yellow Springs a few times. It's a bit of a unicorn, being a left-leaning rural town in the Midwest. There is a destination-vibe in the area so I could definitely see it growing quickly. I'm guessing it will have that kind of growth in the coming years
The more recent trend would seem to be a bit of growth. 2010-2020 is the only decade in the last 4 that the census shows an increase in population.
2020 census was so recent that I'd probably assume a bit of growth is the most recent trend. 140 new families would likely be a number of people equal to at least 3-4 times the population growth over the last decade, though. Unless the construction is going to be paced in some kind of tranches (say 10-20 homes at a time), I'm not sure there's a reason to think that much new housing would have a market in a short-term scenario though.
Even with the tech diaspora of more people working remote, people coming from major urban centers on the west coast would generally consider Dayton to be fairly "rustic" with a population of only 140k, and those just looking to get to a low cost of living in the "rust belt" will have a lot of rural options throughout the region. I'd expect the majority of such migration would be to "college towns" in places with low/no income tax; or the ultimate tax dodge destination of Vancouver WA, live where there's no income tax but shop in Portland where there's no sales tax and still be "on the coast".
U of Dayton is nearby. The Flyers have a decent NCAA basketball tradition. (Atlantic 10.) UD Arena hosts the Men's Tournament "First Four," aka the "play in" games.
based on the median listing prices and price per sq-ft, housing costs half as much in Dayton as it does in Yellow Springs.
For someone planning their next move based on the convenience of attending two particular NCAA Basketball games (or is it 4 games, one for each region? I follow football much more closely than B-Ball personally), living in Dayton "proper" is going to be a more affordable option than the "affordable" housing options that were removed from this particular development. Not to mention the 1200+ "abandoned" homes in that city, which could probably be occupied free of cost entirely for anyone who can avoid drawing much attention or annoying the neighbors. With just over 1900 total homes in Yellow Springs, it's even possible that there are more abandoned houses in the Dayton area than there are houses in that particular village.
The more data Iook at stats, the more I wonder why any developer decided that building anywhere in the Dayton area would be a promising investment in the near to medium term, especially with the near certainty of mortgage rates going up will put downward pressure on sale prices, and the still elevated cost of building materials and supply issues for certain equipment (a friend whose 2-year construction project wrapped up last spring was told their local utility company won't be able to get an electric meter until the end of 2021).
Looking at the stats on realtor.com, it seems possible that the "Village" where Chapelle lives might be the most expensive community as far as home values go in the entire area, and by a significant premium.
He invested based on zoning rules in effect at the time. All he did was try to stop a change in the zoning rules. I see no problem with that. If you don’t like zoning rules, I can see that (although I doubt most readers would want a paper mill built next to their home). But if there are rules, and people make decisions based on them, it’s reasonable they wouldn’t want those rules relaxed.
Dave Chappelle is literally opposed to new development in his backyard. But private property rights prevent him from doing much more than talking about "not in my backyard" (NIMBY) views.
Um, I assume you don't mean 'literally' in his backyard.
And the article even mentions that buildings are still going up, just not duplexes.
step 1: build a comedy club
step 2: obstruct new housing so fewer people will patronize said club
step 3: profit?
Step 1: Build a comedy club.
Step 2: Obstruct housing for poor people, wind up favoring housing for middle and upper-middle class people who have money and leisure time.
Step 3: Profit.
If Chapelle can get "name" talent to come to his club (probably seating somewhere in the range of 80-200 people, depending on the site he uses), it's probably possible to fill it 3-4 nights/week at least with people driving the 10 miles from Dayton as well as the surrounding rural areas. It's not as if the club would be facing competition from hundreds of other entertainment options being located near the border between two counties with a total combined population of about 300k.
Yellow Springs has a current population under 4k and is located 10 miles from the 6th biggest city in Ohio (population under 140k). Has Chapelle ever weighed in on whether there's anywhere else in the area where it would be a good idea to build that new development? Is a local population growth of 3-4% expected to hit that village in the near future?
The developer should be free to make whatever questionable investments they choose to, but not wanting something in one's "backyard" is only half of being a NIMBY; the other half is railing for the importance of building whatever is being opposed in that spot.
And 10 miles from Wright-Patterson AFB.
Where they keep the alien craft.
Hangar 18.
Don’t tell anybody where you heard it.
history channel?
Megadeath
140 new units would house an increase in population of the village equal to or greater than the amount that they're down from what the population was in 1980 (and twice the amount the population has grown by since 2010).
If the base had been recently constructed or expanded, that could hypothetically drive some amount of local growth, but Wright-Patterson has been there for over a century (first established in 1917), and doesn't appear to have been expanded significantly since the early decades of the Cold War in the 50s and 60s.
Actually, I used to work on the base and they've been building new buildings on the base regularly over the last decade. WPAFB is often a beneficiary of base closures, with organizations moved from closed bases to WPAFB. There are quite a variety of organizations on the base. A person could have an entire career there and work for a new organization every few years.
Many WPAFB workers prefer to live in local cities/towns that DON'T have a city income tax. Since WPAFB is federal property, if your home town doesn't have a city tax, then you don't have to pay any local income taxes. Yellow Springs has a 1.5% income tax, which is lower than many others. However, a lot of base personnel live in Beavercreek, which has no local income tax.
Did anyone question him about the increase in traffic and crime from building his comedy club? All those people driving in from 10 miles away? And what if he offends someone? The whole town could be canceled.
Presumably his comedy club is in an area zoned for that sort of thing.
Unless Chapelle is a silent partner in the Development. Think about it. The Local government keeps it's Liberal happy by paying lip service to low income housing and expands it's tax base. The Developer can say we offered low income housing and gets to build it's more expensive homes and Chapelle gets more customers for the businesses he wants to build.
While the population of Dayton is under 140k, the Dayton Metro area is close to 1 million. Dayton is a city of suburbs.
Yellow Springs is a cool little town, I would hate to see it change too dramatically.
As expected, the commisars at Reason fall on the side of a top-down planned community designed by people who won't live there for the greater good.
And, Dave Chappelle, once a brave speaker of truth to power, must now be reviled for his 'transphobic' veiws.
It's astounding not just how they can falsely 'BOWF SIDEZ!' at the top level, but how they then proceed to 'MY SIDE!' at any and all lower levels, even when there is no real libertarian side or their side is the clearly anti-libertarian one, and just assume the people won't recognize that they're full of shit.
Bingo
Dave Chappelle is sufficiently woke, and Reason always follows its marching orders
*Dave Chappelle is NOT sufficiently woke
When Oberer first purchased its Yellow Springs site, it had initially talked about building a new, solely single-family subdivision.
I thought we didn't want any more of those.
The latter two types of units would sell for about $100,000 less than the single-family homes, says Salmeron.
While the physical properties themselves probably net more than the single-family homes. If I could subdivide my $400,000 lot, I could sell each half for $300,000.
"Single-Family Only" zoning is a contributing factor to housing shortages in some major urban centers, especially in CA (L.A., SF, maybe SD to some extent) and makes "sustainable" development harder to implement either by public or private operations. Some of the affordability problems in L.A. would definitely be mitigated if denser multi-unit construction could be mixed into some of the parts of the city where zoning won't allow it; the raft of additional regulation and laws (some of which have been weaponized by NIMBY's, Unions, and other activists looking to shake down developers) in combination with the insufficient numbers of approved permits by city/county government for new construction are a bigger factor, but some of that is also rooted in SFO zoning.
That's in a metro area comprised of five counties with a total population in excess of 20 million people.
This story is about an attempt to build a new neighborhood in/near a town of 3700 people in rural Ohio that's near the line between two counties with a combined population of about 300 thousand (smaller than Anaheim, CA which is a single suburb in the L.A. area that's best known for being the location of the world's first theme park).
Not the world's first theme park. Sorry.
The entire concept of 'affordable' housing is fraudulent and needs to end.
If you want to live in an area, you should pay for it.
In the bay area, and I'm sick of all these selfish bastards who want to live in SF because they love the city etc but want others to pay for it. You have no right to force other people to pay for you to live in the city you want. If you can't afford it, move.
I don't live in SF, but if I wanted to, I wouldn't be a selfish prick and use the government to steal from others so I can pay less on rent
Where's sarc? We need somebody to remind us how the only two-party duopoly that matters is Dems and the GOP and how libertarians like him are the only bright and truly principled ones for opposing the D/R duopoly equally. Go YIMBYs! BOWF SIDEZ!
Oberer should put a sign on their property facing Chappelle's that says "I'M RICK JAMES, BITCH".
"Fortunately, he can’t stop it." he just did, by threatening to pull his investment.
affordable housing is building new housing. expecting developers and the taxpayers to subsidize rent for low income earners is a failed policy. building more homes will increase supply and make housing more affordable, a win win
How much of the new housing was supposed to be affordable, thus prompting Chappelle's investment?
Did that stipulation fall off the table?
why is Dave any more special and worthy of scorn than any other resident in any other town fighting against over development?
Every single suburb in america is pretty much a nimby spot. Why focus on Dave?
Because Twitter did. That's what drives Reason these days.
Not sure. I would assume any homeowner who enjoys a bit of space from neighbors and local undeveloped land will also be opposed to developing all around their property. Not everyone likes being crowded like those living in the city. Not everyone wants added traffic and regulations in their area.
I'll say that Reason has been consistent in giving the middle finger to suburban and rural homeowners opposing urban sprawl. It's interesting to see who they side with when there is a conflict of individual interests and liberties
I have no problem with housing being unaffordable. No one has a right to live anywhere if they can't afford it. Chappell has every right to fight and win. He is protecting his investment. The developers don't care about anything except their returns. I guess Reason doesn't either.
Kind of one sided there Bob. That Developer is protecting their investment the same as Chappelle.
First thought: 143 new houses is better than 1 comedy club.
Second thought: Dave Chappelle is a racist.
I hear Clayton Bigsby is a big Chappelle fan. So is the Niggar Family.
Many of the comments amount to personal attacks on Dave Chappelle. Why? Because he disagrees with his local government? I don't see the problem here. Mr. Chappelle has every right to voice his opinion and lobby his elected officials for whatever he wants. The elected officials can listen or ignore him. He's no different than any other citizen. Who cares!
I am looking for a second house somewhere very quiet. If it got developed in 5 years, that would defeat the whole purpose.
Chappelle has enough clout to fight it, good for him.
I am looking for a second house somewhere very quiet.
Buy the surrounding land, instead of assuming it will always be empty.
The problem isn't just with the land being empty. It's also with the increase in traffic, noise, etc, that comes with increased development. Adding a couple hundred new housing units to a small town means A LOT of changes to the town, not all of which are welcome by the residents.
Like a Dollar General store!
Or you can simply set up an HOA and tell politicians to go eff themselves.
HOAs have a habit of turning on their masters.
In my experience, HOAs are excellent at preventing me or nonconformist development. If that’s what you mean by “turning on”, they are working as intended.
This article is just a cheap shot at Dave Chappelle. Did he previously say he thought the town needed more affordable housing and that development was wanted? If not, then Britsigi has no case that he's a NIMBY.
I know his pain. Twelve years ago I had open woods and a small lake/large pond behind my house. I watched glorious sunrises and saw herons, ducks, moose and deer every day.
Then it was turned into a subdivision and I get to watch my new fat neighbor let his yappy dog out for a shit instead.
If I had Chappelle's dough I definitely would have bought that land up myself.
Dave needs to move to LA like any normal celebrity where he can get his head screwed on straight.
^This is why I like Tony around here. Every once in a while I agree with him^
Tony was looking for a fastball and that is what was pitched.
NIMBY usually means the person supports something, so long as its not in their back yard. Does Chappelle support dense affordable housing in someone elses back yard?
Usually that's implied, because the thing the NIMBY doesn't want in his backyard is necessary and has to go somewhere. The necessity of subsidized lower-income housing in a particular community is debatable.
Right and that doesnt appear to be the case here. Chappele isnt running around sayign we need affordable housing. So hes not a NIMBY.
It's actually a bit of a typical Reason 'borders for thee but not for me' bait-and-switch. The typical public/private lynchpin that they love to overlook.
The typical NIMBY wants more affordable housing and then gets pissed when a private developer decides to give it to them good and hard. In this case, and as is generally more frequently the case, the developer puts in a myriad of proposals and the city tells their own tax payers that they're going to get affordable housing, whether they asked for it or not, good and hard. Yes, they're both saying "Not In My Back Yard", but one is saying it to a private developer and the other is saying it to the city. Libertarians should be able to and should make an effort to parse the distinction.
I grew up in Fairborn, a small town a stone’s throw from Yellow Springs. Back in that time, Antioch was one of the better colleges in the country, and Yellow Springs was a mellow, who-gives-a-fuck place. (Famously, Rod Serling lived there.)
I have wonderful memories of the Springs, one being my first acid trip (‘70) in the adjoining state park. But then the chilling winds of wokeness slowly turned Antioch into a laughingstock, and it lost accreditation. The town is still quaint to the casual observer, but full of Karens and Neil Youngs - and a host of NIMBYs.
My personal belief, knowing the area, is that the development isn’t particularly needed - wanted or not. But it appears the developer can go ahead with building the single-family units, whether Dave likes it or not.
Antioch!
Shannon Doherty and Chris Farley on SNL....
https://vimeo.com/57162303?ref=em-share
..transcript....
https://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93bdaterape.phtml
The village could try taking the property by eminent domain saying they needed to make a road to Chappelle's show or something equally dubious.
Silly person. If he REALLY did not want anyone living that close to his precious house, he should have bought up all that land when it was empty or underdeveloped. Now someone else as bought it, and is making it what THEY want.
Didn't spend the bucks to isolate yourself, now you are not going to be isolated. Sigh...... no tears here.
We buy into neighborhoods and developments based on CCRs and zoning laws. Those conditions shouldn’t be changed based on political whims of outsiders.
So what are you building in your backyard, Britschgi? Why are all you smug hypocrites YIYBYs -- Yes, In Your Backyard?
Britschgi can’t afford a back yard. He’s envious and that’s why he wants to destroy yours.
Well, the pattern is that people establish some pleasant and safe community, with a high general morale and standard of living. lots of green spaces, little crime, no crowds.
Because what they have created is a desirable place to live, developers judge that they can monetize the long-time resident's creation, by bulldozing everything and building crowded, high density construction. The developers are not going to live there, they only care about monetizing and moving on.
The results are that everything that made the place pleasant to live in is destroyed. The residents might move on to create another pleasant place, more remote, but as soon as they are established there, the developers will show up and bulldoze the view.
A NIMBY because he doesn't want the seed to be planted in his nice neighborhood? The seed of single mother's with children from different dead-beat dad's? The seed of Baby Momma/Daddy issues? Because he knows the reality of what's at stake? I don't blame him.
I live in a once "nice" part of Long Beach, CA. Now we are seeing a "certain" demographic build up and with them more street crime. That's just the raw brutal truth. I'm not talking about Hispanics or Asians...
Chapelle is the reason this is getting headlines but IMO, this just highlights how arbitrary zoning rules pick winners and losers. I understand using zoning to separate housing from industrial or manufacturing purposes that could be harmful to people who live in that area. Zoning laws should be agnostic to whether the land will be used for single family or multi-family dwellings.
Really? Why should zoning laws be agnostic about the type of building? Why shouldn’t home owners be able to decide what kind of neighborhood they want to live in?
If they want to decide for themselves, they should use their own money, not zoning policies. It should not be up to them to decide where and in what type of houses other people wish to live.
They are using their own money, to fund the city. A city is just a representation of all the people who fund the city, and they all decide they want zoning. Moving into that city means you agree to the zoning, until you convince everyone to change it.
Municipalities limit density to, among other things, limit future costs to the local school district that would lead to higher property taxes. Privatize the schools and that would be less of a problem.
All these problems and issues are traceable to the fact that voting on things like property taxes, schools, etc. has been extended to people who don't own property.
In a libertarian world, HOAs would likely still provide services like schools, security, fire fighting, roads, etc. very much like towns do right now. The difference is that only the people who pay for those services (the property owners) would be able to vote on them, proportional to how much they pay.
Would you agree that I should be able agree to binding CCRs ("HOA") with other private home owners that restrict what kinds of houses can be built on the member properties?
Well, zoning laws are like CCRs. The major difference is that zoning laws can be changed by people who have no private property interest in the homes they vote on.
So, in a sense I agree with you: all zoning laws should be replaced by CCRs, and only property owners covered by the CCRs should be able to vote on them.
You say that as if NIMBY is somehow bad.
I paid a lot of money to keep a lot of crap out of my backyard. You bet I’m going to defend that.
Hear hear man!
Using restictive laws that have no place in a free society?
Oh, believe me, I would love to replace those restrictive laws with private contracts (CCRs).
The major difference to what we have right now is that it would immediately remove people from decision making and voting on issues they have no private property interest in.
A world in which you own a plot of land and can do with it whatever you want without pesky zoning laws/CCRs, however, is not a libertarian world, it's a communist pipe dream.
So he only has "plans" for a restaurant and comedy club? Show me the money.
Abolish all zoning restrictions, period. They're not violating anybody's rights by building apartment houses without parking lots. Forced parking lots robs families without cars. Zoning imposes distances people must travel to work, shopping, or alcohol drinking; and that means more vehicle traffic.
A 100-family apartment house leaks less heat than 100 single-family homes. It's better for the environment.
End the War on Walkers. If they have money for a street, they have money for a sidewalk. If they have money to plow the street, they have money to plow the sidewalk, instead of plowing snow onto the sidewalk and leaving it there until it melts. If they have money for traffic lights, they have money for crosswalk lights. Zoning restrictions are generally imposed by bureaucrats who see the world through a windshield and think it blasphemy if you won't join the Great All-American Love Affair With the Automobile.
Abolishing zoning restrictions is a massive government takings. And, yes, it does violate the rights of private property owners.
When I buy into a single family neighborhood with 2 ac minimum lot sizes, I have a reasonable expectation that those restrictions aren't changed haphazardly through the political process.
While zoning is widely abused by bureaucrats and politicians, that doesn't mean that the absence of zoning is any better.
The real solution is to replace city-wide zoning with private, local CCRs and let only property owners alter the content of those CCRs.
The hilarious thing is how bureaucrats look at it. They think affordable housing is good, and protecting residential property values is good, but these are opposite goals. They want housing to cost less, and they want housing to cost more.
Meanwhile, in S.C....
GREENVILLE, S.C. —
A community within Greenville is asking for more answers from a developer building half a million dollar units as part of a luxury townhome project.
Leaders within the historic Sterling community in Greenville said the developer is taking their community's name and putting it on the units.
The units, in development off Anderson Street, include wood-tone accents and high-end appliances, according to the website.
But their price and the project's name -- 'The Sterling' have drawn nearby concern.
"We've made phone calls. We've gone by to actually speak to someone and we've been ignored," said Dot Russell, a community leader within Sterling, which is a historic Black neighborhood in Greenville.
Russell is the president of the Sterling Neighborhood Association. She, along with other residents, said the developer doesn't have the community's blessing to use its name.
She said she knew there would be some kind of development there as far back as May 2021, but said she didn't expect units to be in the half a million-dollar price range.
According to the website, the townhome community is described as being located in Greenville's West End neighborhood.
"Not only did the developers take our name and violate us this way," she said. "But using our name and not even having a conversation about it, they turned around and slapped us in the face by saying, yes, we'll take your name but we won't even honor you and say that we're using your dirt."
So what? Every homeowner in America is a nimby. Every single one, and if they tell you they aren't they're liars. It's common sense, you do not want something in your backyard that is going to affect your property values in a negative way or decrease your quality of life. The people that feign outrage over this are urban liberals who don't own property or are wealthy enough for it to never be an issue they have to face. STFU.
Yeah, putting an expensive sounding name like "The Sterling" on townhomes that are as cheap as half a million dollars sounds deceptive to me.
Pretty sure Christian got the story entirely wrong. Chappelle's opposition was to adding the low-income housing to the site. Christian based the whole angle of his story on a third-person account of where Chappelle stands. Very sloppy.
reason has been against zoning since I've been reading it. Here's an article I encountered in the late 1970s.
https://reason.com/1978/02/01/houston-defies-the-planners-an/
Yep, he could buy the property and prevent development.
If he was feeling charitable, he could even donate it to the state or local government for public use as an ecological park or game preserve or undeveloped common ground.
I used to love Dave but not any more. He's just like everyone else.
Maybe even a homeless camp. The possitrilities are endless!