Cincinnati Cop Union Head Pouts Over Nixed Publicity for Gay Sex Sting
It's "about values," Sgt. Dan Hils said, while mayor's office wishes cops would focus on violent crime.

A series of sex stings in Cincinnati parks has spawned a fight between city cops and the mayor's office.
Over the course of a six-week operation, Cincinnati police arrested or cited 20 men in Mt. Airy Forest, a huge and heavily wooded park on the city's west side.
For decades, a remote area of the park has been known as a place where gay men meet up for sexual encounters. City cops recently targeted this area, with undercover officers posing as men on the prowl.
Police were set to release video of the stings as part of a big public relations push surrounding the operation. But the mayor's office asked them not to do so, while also criticizing the premise of the stings more broadly.
"Given the historic rise in gun violence in our community, our resources should be specifically targeted at preventing and prosecuting violent crime," said Mayor Aftab Pureval, who took office in January, in a statement.
Pureval said he told police to "look for opportunities to cite nonviolent offenses to court rather than directing resources towards shaming people or jailing nonviolent offenders."
It's a step in the right direction. Ideally, police wouldn't go searching for or setting up people for park-sex offenses in the first place. (There's a big difference between "public indecency" at a time and place where people may actually see it and hooking up in a secluded area of a forest at night.) If these types of stings are going to take place, however, then citations seem much more reasonable than jail time and highly publicized criminal charges.
But Fraternal Order of Police President Sgt. Dan Hils isn't happy with this outcome. It's "about values," he told The Enquirer.
Hils seems apt to make this into a referendum on the new mayor. "I really wanted to give the new city administration a chance on law and order issues. My immediate thing is concerned that they are not going to support the police department and law and order activities," he told WKRC Cincinnati.
City leadership fired back that the city was still punishing people for park sex, just not overreacting or turning their escapades into a media circus. "The offenders in the police operation have been cited in court and will be prosecuted according to their offense," said Pureval. Interim City Manager John Curp noted that "all of the individuals referenced were cited with misdemeanor offenses, none involved sex with minors, acts of violence or sex trafficking. It is the position of this administration that the justice system will hold these individuals accountable, and that a public relations campaign related to the arrests was unnecessary."
Lawyer Scott Knox, described by the Enquirer as "a long-time defender of LGBTQ rights [who] used to frequently represent men arrested in these stings," worried that public shaming campaigns like the one police planned could lead to suicides and said the arrests hearkened back to the bad old days of police relations with the city's gay community. "Certainly if they're going into parks and engaging in illegal activity, they need to be cited, but they don't need to be put at risk for committing suicide," said Knox. "When it becomes a media event, historically these were closeted gay men, there's real potential to them doing harm to themselves."
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They were issued tickets for gaywalking.
"Don we now our gay apparel" is now a criminal conspiracy!!!
(Do NOT get me started on figgy puddings, or packages of packed fudge, either!!!)
Err, umm, thank you for your valuable input into the conversation?
Oh, yeah, sure! You're welcome!
I was ONLY thinking about the excessively high calorie counts in figgy puddings, and packages of packed fudge, actually and factually! And "gluten free" is totes irrelevant, to that fatty fat!
I'm siding with the mayor. Has the violence in the city been eliminated so that the cops are forced to troll for hookups in the park? Maybe they just got too many cops and some, starting with the chief, need to be pressured into an early retirement.
The taxpayers of Cincinnati must be thrilled to hear how their dollars are being spent.
It's ENB reporting here and it's interesting that you bring up the chief despite his conspicuous absence. Pureval, a Dem came into office after Claney and the line of Dems goes back to Chief Isaac's appointment back in '04 (and before). So the question becomes did Isaac just suddenly go rogue and set up a unilateral PR stunt without tipping off the Mayor (either one) or did the Mayor (either one) know this was going on an just said 'Meh.' (or both)?
said the arrests hearkened back to the bad old days of police relations with the city's gay community.
Go on...
Taking a cue from the Johnson administration and naming it after a football position (Operation Linebacker), they originally called it Operation Tight End. But then later renamed it Operation Wide Receiver.
How do they handle cases of straight sex in the park, I wonder?
Police don’t work as hard to find violations of the penal code. And perhaps those cases don’t stand up as well in court.
Put Dick Tracy on the case.
Joe Friday would like to get on top of that.
This reminds me of the old Benny Hill Joke:
What does a man do standing up, a woman do sitting down, and a dog do with one leg lifted?
Answer: Shake hands. 🙂
How do they handle cases of straight sex in the park, I wonder?
Probably ignored it "for decades" and then, when they did pay attention, get scolded for being to uptight. It's not like Cincinnati was world-renowned "for decades" for its prudishness until they started going after teh gays in their hom... I mean in public parks.
Progressives/fascists use gay men to gain power, then send them to the camps. They did it a century ago and are still doing it.
It's amazing how the entire story of the Nazi Stormtroopers and their leadership is always glossed over.
Mayor After Pureval
Retarded naming double-take achieved(?).
Ah, his name is actually Aftab Pureval. Great work literally phoning it in ENB. Hope the baby's getting better care than the Reason readership.
Aflac would have been funnier.
Now it's getting into the realm of bestiality.
My immediate thing is concerned that they are not going to support the police department and law and order activities
Fuck off, you piece of shit. "Supporting the police" does not mean cheering for them when they're whomping dirty hippies upside the head any more than "anti-racism" means cheering for black people when they murder cops. You get the support you deserve, nothing more.
There's a big difference between "public indecency" at a time and place where people may actually see it and hooking up in a secluded area of a forest at night.
Uh, no.
First, I can Google "Mt. Airy Forest" and see that the hours are 6 a.m.-10 p.m. Around here, they close the parks and preserves at sunset both because of hookup culture but also because of drug culture and squatters (and probably several other reasons I haven't thought of). That's not to say hookups after dark are a crime but hours are hours and public indecency is public indecency. You don't have an expectation of privacy in a public park (Hah! Another reason to set hours!)
Second, if they come and stand just the other side of your property line naked after dark, you're cool with that? My bet is you'll go on record as being cool with it until someone actually does it. Moreover, I've got some pretty solid precedence that you'd be cool with it unless they Tweet (as in publicly, on Twitter) "Hey ENB, I could use a sandwich." while doing so. Then, we can all separate your "public indecency is just a social construct, like open borders" principles from your posturing bullshit for ourselves.
Another reason to *observe* set hours (and public indecency laws), that is.
They linger creepily in the woods and wait for another closet fag to come spread their diseases to. There was one of the places near my college and these people are shameless and disgusting. Out them to their beards , they deserve it.
Sooo...Can you give us the GPS coordinates for this place near your college?
Not asking for many friends this time, but seeing if you'd do great as one of the ladies who "doth protest too much, methinks" in Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing.</ii
That’s Hamlet.
Lawyer Scott Knox, described by the Enquirer as "a long-time defender of LGBTQ rights [who] used to frequently represent men arrested in these stings," worried that public shaming campaigns like the one police planned could lead to suicides and said the arrests hearkened back to the bad old days of police relations with the city's gay community. "Certainly if they're going into parks and engaging in illegal activity, they need to be cited, but they don't need to be put at risk for committing suicide," said Knox. "When it becomes a media event, historically these were closeted gay men, there's real potential to them doing harm to themselves."
Another reading of this statement is that "Because gay men have been victims of their own privacy issues and demons in the past, we need to grant them special expectations of privacy in a public setting."
Agreed, they shouldn't be arrested, but that's in line with the Mayor's statements about nonviolent crime. This piling on carries over as, presumably, these citations just as much a part of the public record as parking citations and firearm transfer applications. If historical risk of suicide in the large is all it takes to get a public record expunged, why is the privilege extended to homosexuals who are actually breaking public indecency laws and not everyone?
The difference is that they are not being plastered over the news.
The over-publication of sex crime enforcement is more than a bit baffling. Public shaming of "johns" or these men being arrested for minor trespass and public indecency charges makes no sense and serves no purpose.
To be clear, I'm not exactly pushing back against the Mayor's decision not to broadcast this (I'm a little confused as to how this got rolling in the first place, if it wasn't a publicity stunt by the current admin, a departing gift from the previous admin, or something else). I'm pushing back on the notion that it shouldn't be broadcast because they're gay and at risk of suicide both within the community and under equal protection (actually *un*equal protection since firearm transfers get published for not breaking any laws). They're at risk of suicide either way. It's long been touted that it's because of social persecution, but that's long been proven to be more bunk than masks preventing the spread of COVID. Especially given that, frequently, the 'attempt suicide unsuccessfully' incidents usually get counted multiple times recursively (% considered suicide in the last [whatever] months), a statement that is equally true relatively between heterosexual men and women (women attempt *far* more often but men are *far* more successful, so the record shows that women are at greater risk for suicidal behavior than men).
The crime stands as the crime. We should ameliorate any punishment because the punishment is cruel and unusual. Repeating the lie that they commit suicide after the fact for any given reason (that we, supposedly, don't understand) should have no bearing and only incentivizes the Jussie Smolletts, Rachel Dolezals, and myriad of other hate crime hoaxers of the world.
both within the community
Within the gay community that is. Telling gay men and women they commit suicide because of social persecution when they, in fact, commit suicide because of some other cause does them no favors and exploits their suffering in order to achieve socio-political aims/score points. I freely admit that I have very little concern to their suffering. It's theirs and they're free to make their own choices in light of it. But my interest in not being subject to socio-political gamesmanship advances both my aims and theirs as well as others.
Okay, I can agree with that. I'm thinking more of how many times I've seen the evening news plastered with a line of men whose only crime was "soliciting prostitution". Every time they do this, I have to ask whether this was a valid use of police resources and why the media was bothering to let us know, as even a petty thief has a greater negative impact on the public.
The solution to unequal justice is simple: Don't require a government permit for firearms sales and concealed carry, sell the public parks so no one of any orientation is engaging in public sex, and leave Gays alone. Sounds perfectly libertarian to me.
Oh, and leave "Johns" and hookers in their consenting activities alone too.
Being publicly exposed as a homosexual
Being publicly exposed as overstaying a parking meter
These two things are not like one another. Try to explain why, and I'll come back and check your work.
As I suggested, if parks and other venues for hooking up were all private, and if private venues didn't risk being fined or closed as "bawdy houses," no one would be at risk of being publicly exposed. Private property rights and no laws against consenting adult sex take the law and public records out of the equation.
And parking meters? Do you even Über or Lyft, Brah?
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Ban the public sector unions.
And fuck Joe Biden.
Just not in a public park or while mad.casual is near.
In the early 90's there was a rumor going around that gay men were using the restrooms of a State Park to meet up and have sex. The Park promptly closed the restrooms. The rumor then changed to them using the trails to have sex in the woods. The State Police got funding and created a task force to stop this. In over two years the "task force" NEVER caught anybody having sex. They did charge dozens of people with indecent exposure. The people they charged were hikers and fishermen who were urinating in the woods because THE RESTROOMS WERE CLOSED. A bit later the local Sex Offender Registry was running out on it's initial funding so the people who ran it talked a Judge into allowing them to add the people caught by the "task force" to the list because it was a public park and children could have been present. It took over five years to get them removed from the list.
In the early 90's there was a rumor going around that gay men were using the restrooms of a State Park to meet up and have sex.
In the current era, you can go to the remote parts of many state parks (I can't speak to Mt. Fairy directly) and find 'recreational flora' growing there. It's generally a no-go zone for 2 reasons: 1. the people who planted those herbs aren't too keen on people walking into 'their' 'field' and 2. DNR and other LEOs frequently monitor and detain people for showing up in the vicinity of these plants. It's difficult to prove that a private individual owns the plants growing on public land (which is why they're there in the first place) but that doesn't stop the harassment. It should also be noted that not all the wildlife deals well with marijuana or other flora in their natural environment, so the DNR and other LEOs aren't exactly swerving too far outside their lane in harassing people.
I'd say end public parks, but there are political interests that refuse that idea. The only/current working solution is to have curfews and other byzantine rules and insist attendees follow them and continue to award stupid prizes for stupid behavior.
I'd say end public parks, but there are political interests that refuse that idea.
I say say sell the public parks, fuck the political interests, let Gays and everyone else get rooms or dedicated private outdoor space and finally live normal lives*, and make law enforcement pursue real crimes with real victims, and make Gay-Bashers just get lives period.
* (If private establishments such as bars, restaurants, and hotels were allowed to cater to Gays without being busted and closed for "running a bawdy house," Gays wouldn't be meeting in weird, dangerous places like public parks and restrooms and Mob-run clubs for sex in the first damn place. The Stonewall Uprising was the end result of this very government policy in New York City. Gays kept getting pushed out and pushed out until law enforcement pushed them where the couldn't run anymore.)
But, Jim, the good people at the State Park and the State Police just mean and intend so well...
Does "meeting in city parks to have sex" mean having sex in the park, or would it include meeting there and going elsewhere for sex?
Well, to compare/contrast this stupid hot take with ENB's other stupid hot take about releasing police videos, the release of this video would actually clear any legal question about that distinction right up whereas the other would serve to, uh, prove that the police were present at a SWAT raid or something.
I would presume the officers aren't arresting people who aren't indecent in public for public indecency but, presumably, ENB seems determined to save these officers from any public shame or risk of suicide by keeping these videos under wraps.
I don't see any "stupid hot takes" on Roberta's part. It is a legitimate question. But I do see mad.casual being more mad than casual about this whole story that would otherwise be written off as "too local" if it didn't involve teh Gayz.
It's "about values," Sgt. Dan Hils said, while mayor's office wishes cops would focus on violent crime.
Isn't Dan Hils the guy who sang "Sometimes When We Touch"...Oh, wait...
Sometimes When We Touch--Dan HILL-- Official Video 1994
https://youtu.be/IATz8ZVTALo
Over the course of a six-week operation, Cincinnati police arrested or cited 20 men in Mt. Airy Forest, a huge and heavily wooded park on the city's west side.
Pop-Up Video Factoid: There is a town called Mt. Airy in North Carolina that was the model for Mayberry on The Andy Griffith Show, Mayberry, R.F.D., and Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.. Evidently, there are parallels, too:
Barney Fife--Nip It!
https://youtu.be/de_P2aUZJyA
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise--Gall-lee
https://youtu.be/tXd09NDQW3w
You go to "heavily wooded" parks to have gay sex because they are private.
I don't actually think it would be a huge social harm to have two people fucking right in the middle of Time's Square during opening night of Doc McStuffins the Musical, but I suppose we must give some measure of respect to the remaining Christian pants-police of society.
But for Christ's sake, do these donut-munchers know what the internet is? What harm is coming to teh children from two consenting adults blowing each other in a secluded glen? Take all the fun out of life, that's what the moralists do!
I have never been to Cincinnati but Mt. Airy Forest looks like a lovely place for a quick fuck.
Thanks, Officer Hils, for the tip.