Georgetown Suspends Ilya Shapiro, Student Protesters Demand Place to Cry
More than 100 law professors agree that "academic freedom protects Shapiro's views."

Georgetown University Law Dean William Treanor has suspended Ilya Shapiro—a conservative-libertarian legal scholar slated to take the helm of the school's Center for the Constitution—pending an investigation into controversial statements he made on Twitter.
"I am writing to inform you that I have placed Ilya Shapiro on administrative leave, pending an investigation into whether he violated our policies and expectations on professional conduct, non-discrimination, and anti-harassment, the results of which will inform our next steps," Treanor said on Monday.
Shapiro has repeatedly apologized for the tweets, which were poorly phrased and caused some people to think the author and former vice president of the Cato Institute had described black women generally as less qualified for the Supreme Court. Instead, he decried President Joe Biden's stated commitment to choosing Justice Stephen Breyer's replacement from a specific race and gender pool because it would preclude him from selecting Court of Appeals Judge Sri Srinivasan, whom Shapiro believes to be the best candidate.
"I'm optimistic that Georgetown's investigation will be fair, impartial, and professional, though there's really not much to investigate," Shapiro said in a statement.
Georgetown's Black Law Student Association disagrees. Student protesters held a sit-in at the Law Center on Tuesday morning. Treanor attended and was questioned at length by the students, who want Shapiro fired and perhaps the entire center eliminated.
National Review notes that the students' demands include that they be provided with a place to cry:
At another juncture, a student demanded that the dean cover for the classes that the activists had missed as a result of the sit-in, suggesting that the move should be part of a "reparations" package for black students. She followed up by insisting that students be given a designated place on campus to cry. "Is there an office they can go to?" she asked. "I don't know what it would look like, but if they want to cry, if they need to break down, where can they go? Because we're at a point where students are coming out of class to go to the bathroom to cry."
"And this is not in the future," she added. "This is today."
The administrators took the law student's query seriously. "It is really, really hard to walk out of class or a meeting in tears, and you should always have a place on campus where you can go," Dean Bailin told her. "And if you're finding that you're not getting the person that you want to talk to or not getting the space that you need, reach out to me anytime — anytime — and we will find you space."
This level of emotional opposition to Shapiro might make Treanor inclined to fire him; it is not easy to go up against students on an issue like this one. Nevertheless, retaining Shapiro would be the right move—indeed, Georgetown's stated commitments to free speech preclude any other outcome.
More than 100 law professors have signed an open letter calling on Georgetown to abide by its principles and end the investigation in a manner favorable to Shapiro.
"Academic freedom protects Shapiro's views, regardless of whether we agree with them or not," they write. "And debate about the President's nomination, and about whether race and sex play a proper role in such nominations more generally, would be impoverished—at Georgetown and elsewhere—if this view could not be safely expressed in universities. Indeed, to the extent that people do think it's proper for a President to promise to fill a position with a member of a particular group, they can only have real confidence in that conclusion if they know that the contrary view can be freely supported and discussed, and has been found unpersuasive on the merits rather than silenced by fear of firing. That is famously the way academic discourse about science operates. And it is true for moral and political judgments as well."
The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education rightly described Georgetown's investigation into Shapiro as an "embarrassing capitulation" and "antithetical to the tenets of liberal education." The best way to resolve this matter is for Georgetown to end the investigation and reinstate Shapiro so that everyone can move on.
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Shapiro has repeatedly apologized for the tweets
His first mistake. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the original tweets.
which were poorly phrased and caused some people to think the author and former vice president of the Cato Institute had described black women generally as less qualified for the Supreme Court.
No they weren't. Well, perhaps they were poorly phrased for people who can't read. Ie, Journalists and other blue checkmarks.
Treanor attended and was questioned at length by the students, who want Shapiro fired and perhaps the entire center eliminated.
Now we're getting to the real matter.
This level of emotional opposition to Shapiro might make Treanor inclined to fire him; it is not easy to go up against students on an issue like this one.
If grownups were in charge, it would be extremely easy. But we've dug ourselves a kind of hole and so alas, we've emboldened this behavior and as such, it's... a lot harder to fight that which you've fed, nourished, nurtured and allowed to grow into the tangled mess its become.
That's the thing, it is easy to stand ip to students. You expell them. Good luck getting a law degree with an expulsion on your record
For that matter, good luck getting a job to pay off your student loans with a law degree that your own actions have demonstrated to prospective employers is worth less than toilet paper.
I do wonder if he was an ethnic (Murphy, Rizzo, Kowaski) if he would have been defended as much. For some reason if Irish or Italian I doubt it..
Do you think the vehemence of his attackers has something to do with him being Jewish? I do.
I'd tend to doubt if Shapiro would've been defended as much if he were of Irish, Italian or Polish-Catholic heritage, because unlike the Jews here in the United States, the Irish, Italian and Polish Catholic ethnics have the numbers, if one gets the drift.
>and caused some people to think the author and former vice president of the Cato Institute had described black women generally as less qualified for the Supreme Court.
No, they didn't.
I call shenanigans. This is an entirely manufactured crisis to paint someone not completely left-progressive in the worst light possible. Nobody who shouldn't be under the care of mental health professionals runs and cries because someone states so banal an opinion, no professional journalist gives unquestioning credence to their complaints unless they are complicit in the propaganda.
If I'm wrong, what kind of a fucking pussy do you have to be to not only have to run to the bathroom to cry over something like this, but to admit it in public? The correct response to this is "Geez H, get the fuck over yourselves, children. "
Forcing students to run to the bathroom crying is grounds for removal from collage campus? Chipotle hardest hit
Crying? Man, don’t ever hire a black lawyer from this school.
Yeah, it's not that hard to understand unless you really try hard.
Sri is the best candidate (in his view). Therefore, any other candidate is less good. Sri is not a black woman. Therefore a black woman will not be the best candidate.
So the only point of disagreement is who is the best candidate. And it shouldn't be controversial to say that if you are constraining your choice to one race and sex, then you may be overlooking the best person for the job. It's just obviously true simply by logic.
A fun game is to corner someone who believes that the best candidate is a black person (or gay or trans), then ask them what being black, gay or trans brings to the table that no other candidate can. It then devolves into an uncomfortable downward spiral into stereotypes and tropes--- offered by the person who believes stereotypes and tropes are being challenged by the skin-color/what-I-do-with-my-genitalia nomination.
Hostile interpretation is the bread and butter of the legal profession.
So, ironically I think this whole thing is on topic and fair game for a law professor.
Live by Twitter, die by Twitter.
The law professor opposed the president’s decision to apply discrimination on the basis of race and sex to choose the next Supreme Court judge from a pool of only black women.
And you have a problem with the law professor.
A nation ruled by emotion is one ruled by fear and anger.
You totally misunderstood the comment. He said so much of the legal profession is the same kind of bullshit that that's going on. It's not an indictment of the professor. It's an indictment of the legal industry as a whole. They don't necessarily win cases because they are right. They win because they convince a panel of jurists to agree with them.
I don’t think I misunderstood.
I’d let the author defend their argument.
Not seeing the love.
It's actually not that hard to state the special qualifications.
"lived experience"
Repeat ad naseum. If you need a variation, "it's a black woman lawyer thing. You wouldn't understand."
ad nauseam (ending 'a' in nausea goes to -am for accusative)
http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/prepsumm.html
Application:
Twitter faux pas incantation sequence: “Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.”
Half of the commentators on Volokh support the firing. More leftists there than here. Oddly one of them goes by Sarcastro. Apparently all lefties are shit at understanding sarcasm and all seem to be leftists.
They need to start expelling these punk kids who can’t handle go8mg to class or who cause trouble. Although they should be given a 9n ace to cry. Where I can stand over them on a stage cackling loudly and gleefully at their pain.
These students have convinced me that we should probably avoid putting any more black people on the Supreme Court. They don't seem to have the temperament for it. What a bunch of fucking crybabies.
Those students should be failed out for not going to class or taking an exam.
Never apologize, ever.
No you really should sometimes.
Do any of you live in civilization, or is it all raccoon meat and the internet?
No, it's just that you either don't get what he's saying or you are purposefully engaging in the standard leftist game of playing dumb.
I don’t think tony is playing.
Sure: you apologize for forgetting someone’s birthday.
Apologizing to fascists and socialists, however, is a mistake.
That was actually Shapiro's first mistake: deleting the tweets and apologizing. If he believes them then he should stand his ground and make his argument.
Shapiro completely bollixed this one.
Shapiro’s first mistake was to want to work for an American university.
Apologizing is pointless when you know the apology won't be accepted and forgiveness offered.
"Do any of you live in civilization, or is it all raccoon meat and the internet?"
Ask that question of those who refuse to accept an apology and offer no forgiveness in these cases.
And don't apologize for other people's interpretations of what you said.
Locals are now trawling American University bars since Hoya gals have become humorless twats.
If Catholic girls are less promiscuous then the Methodist, I don't want to live in this world anymore.
Mormon girls are where it’s at.
Perhaps GT should focus on practicing Catholics as students and facility. Private school they can admit anyone they want and hire anyone they want.
This is why never to apologize to woketards. You not only won't get any credit for it, it will encourage them to do it again.
Shapiro never should have apologized. The non-cis grandchild of a Holocaust victim might have benefitted from some intersectionality, but Shylock deserved his fate.
The inmates are running the asylum, good luck reasserting that you're in control of the dumpster fire you worthless shitheads.
Why doesn't anyone tell these students to grow the fuck up, toughen up and stop being such pussies?
If you have to leave a class to go cry and "break down" because someone said something you don't like, that's a problem with you, not the rest of the world.
Are they pussies? Probably.
I think it’s mostly virtue signaling though.
I don't know about the ones who actually go cry. There are some fucked up, damaged people out there. And they seem drawn to thin kind of activism.
At that age I just wanted to get laid. Damn kids.
This!
These kids have thrown away everything their grandparents fought for.
Damaged my ass. Dumped into a society which didn't give a shit about their wokism, they straighten up within days.
I am not claustrophobic. Trapped in an elevator, I'd get bored more than anything, lie down on the floor and take a nap. I think, if I got very bored, I could imagine trying to make myself claustrophobic, and might even succeed for a while. But I'd get tired of it. These wokidiots are in exactly the same mind. They are bored because the purile trash they take classes in is not challenging. It's boring as fuck. Memorize a bunch of pronouns, then what? They are bored and have talked themselves into wanting a crying space because they are bored as fuck.
Dumped into a non-woke society would snap them out of it in a flash.
You are probably right about a lot of them. Most people will do what they have to. But I really do think there are a lot of people who meet the description who are completely fucked up in how they see the world and relate to other people.
Why doesn't anyone tell these students to grow the fuck up, toughen up and stop being such pussies?
Because raising pussies and crybullies is exactly what the establishment and the clerisy want? A nation full of Tom Parson's kids.
Yeah, but why that? Do all of these people really have so much to gain (or believe that they do) from whatever the fuck they are trying to turn the world into? Or is it just mass psychoses of some sort?
At least they acknowledge when they lose an election.
It's all really proving their point. Only white men are allowed to whine constantly about every fucking thing that makes them infinitesimally uncomfortable.
That's just natural!
Lefties never really acknowledged that Bush beat Gore.
And how did that work out for America?
Stacey Abrams makes you 0 for 2. Keep swinging, maybe one day you'll be right about something.
Lol. Proving what point, tony? That they’re as fragile as you?
And what the fuck does an election have to do with it? You think these children ever acknowledge anything that doesn’t feed their victim fetish?
What is wrong with you?
Yeah because no one is criticizing the white men who complain about the election.
Their parents and teachers infantilized them. And their Gen-X and Millennial college professors are continuing the process.
(Should specify that it's mostly the younger Gen-Xer profs along with the Millennial ones, based on my observations.)
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Wait, Buzzfeed has a retail business? WTF?
I guess Buzzfeed employees are about to discover their "authentic selves".
The crybullies their way.
This is the sort of gaffe that low level GOP officeholders were getting ripped for a few years ago, but you cannot phrase every statement perfectly, especially when the people judging you are fundamentally dishonest.
It's not that Shapiro is a racist. He was just upset they were giving away one of the SCOTUS Jew-chairs to a Schwartze.
Sarcasm?
Just a little light antisemitism.
"Muh private cumpany"
Reason should have expected this when they were chortling over the deplatformings of Orange Hitler and the deplorables. This is the also the wages of shouting "both sides" when it was very obviously just one side.
^^This.
First they came for ... and so on.
Yeah but they *should* have come for *those* people, and they crossed a line when they came after the people I like.
You can only divide the world in two for "boaf sides" analogies so many times before running out of sides.
*sigh*
People just don't understand the pressure that comes with $50,000,000 a year!
I think Ray Barboni said it best in Get Shorty when he said, and I quote, "What a bunch of fucking bullshit."
I blame law professors for such foolishness. Over the past two or three decades, they have bowed down to the crying law students who feelings have been hurt because they were denied a participation trophy. You reap what you sow. The students are in charge now.
They are not required to learn anything about law while in law school, but simply have to nod their head and write their papers to adhere to "wokeness". Sucks to be you, law professors. May I suggest you learn to code?
Those law professors didn't bow down. They, along with administrators, trained this cadre to act this way to justify firing people they don't want around.
Academic freedom is a myth. Neither taxpayers nor private universities have any obligation to employ people whose teachings conflict with the goals and principles of the university.
Hey, Shapiro, I'm sure you'll be happy to give up your job for some migrant! America becomes more competitive and diverse that way! You said so yourself!
Fuckin' Progs.
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Ah, the asterisk guy.
I decree that this is free speech for which any tenured professor should be absolutely protected.
Keeping it up (which Shapiro was too cowardly to do) would give us the opportunity to criticize the opinion, for example, as founded in an infantile bigoted notion that there's an alarmingly limited supply of intelligence in judges of color.
If you think that's what he was saying, you perfectly epitomize the problem in our society.
Oh, there are lots of really smart judges of color.
Biden and the Democrats have opposed them, smeared them, and insulted them when they have been nominated.
You might want to check the ethnicity of who he thought was the most qualified candidate for the Democrats.
Okay, so Shapiro only gets off the pillory because he also favored a race/ethnicity minority candidate? If who he thought was the best candidate for the particular slot happened to be a white male, he would be guilty of something. -- Hmmmm.
caused some people to think the author and former vice president of the Cato Institute had described black women generally as less qualified for the Supreme Court.
His tweets did not cause anyone to believe this. People lying about his tweets may have caused some few idiots to believe this, but why is that his problem?
It’s not about what anybody believes. Shapiro is nominally a libertarian, and as such hated by progressives and intellectuals. They are using this issue as a pretext to get rid of him.
I don’t see a libertarian objection to Georgetown firing anybody for any reason.
Beyond that, I might feel sorry for Shapiro if he actually were a libertarian, but he really is not anyway.
“President Joe Biden's stated commitment to choosing Justice Stephen Breyer's replacement from a specific race and gender pool “
This is clearly discrimination on the basis of race and sex. We have a longer way to go when we’re heading to the wrong direction.
“Emotion” should carry no weight in rational decisions. We’re heading toward a society where people make decisions based on their fear and anger.
The best person for any job is not based simply in their ability to perform it, but on what they learned how they learn and their capability to not only improve the job but impart their knowledge to others.
This capability is different for every person and is THE SOLE REASON WE VALUE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
Picking from a pool based on race and sex DOES potentially exclude the best person from the job.
Yeah, that brings up a very interesting conversation.
It would be pretty easy to sue the Biden administration for racial discrimination right now. He has publicly stated racial motivations for hiring specific people on more than one occasion. Others applying for those jobs have a pretty much open and shut case.
Ironically enough, the prospective applicants for the highest court in the land won’t seek justice because of fears of repercussions from the corrupt establishment.
What chance for justice do the rest of us have?
Fuckwits don’t like free speech because it allows anyone to demonstrate how stupid you are.
If reality was based on what we chose, then there wouldn’t be death, disease and learning would be meaningless.
Right. Same with leftists ("progressives") -- they don't like free speech because it allows anyone to demonstrate how awful their policies are.
Exactly. Truth exposes lies and secrets.
Whenever two or more people share a lie or secret, it’s a conspiracy.
Censoring free speech is a strategy. The best trick Satan ever played was to convince us he didn’t exist.
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And they shouldn't have. These are college-age students demanding a place to cry because someone Tweeted something they didn't like. Emotionally speaking, these people are not adults, they are toddlers and their complaints should be treated exactly the same way you treat a toddler crying about something insignificant; you ignore it at first, and if they become violently angry in response you punish the violence.
The correct response should be:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
"...the students' demands include that they be provided with a place to cry..."
In my day, this would be addressed with the response,"I'll give you something to cry about."
This should not be a hard call for any administration, particularly at top level schools like Georgetown law.
They turn away thousands of applicants every year. It would be extremely simple to tell them to pound sand. The first mistake was made a couple of decades ago when they began entertaining this kind of nonsense.
I don't know who the first administrator was who decided to cave in to safe spaces and language being hurtful, but there needs to be a monument built to them as a warning to future generations.
This is an easy call. The administration should have immediately said they support free speech and anyone who felt that people should not be allowed to speak their mind should find another school to attend. Done and done.
The problem arises from our tolerance of politics expansion to permeate all aspects of society.
Opinion, voting, popular opinion doesn’t determine justice.
It shouldn’t matters whit when anyone says something you don’t like. All that should matter is if it is true or not.
If true, acceptance should be a prerequisite of rationality which is a prerequisite for justice.
Society has strayed far from rational behaviour and justice.
“Matter a whit”
Gutless, mindless, clueless sheep. They deserve everything coming their way in the great reckoning.
Just want to be absolutely certain: these are law students? Not some pre-law undergrads. But folks who aspire to become litigators? Who need a place to go crying other than the bathroom. THESE are our future sharks?!
I'm not saying we should intentionally make graduate school traumatizing, but how are these folks going to stand up the first time a judge yells at them or they need to cross examine someone they disagree with?
A cynical political purge is a cynical political purge. No point in apologizing any more. Sue the hell out of the people who are out to get you. Our institutions are rotten to the core because of the spineless, cynical people who have risen leadership posts in those institutions, not the lynch mob they bow to and hide behind.
It is past time for "the cancelled" to sit back and lick their wounds. It is time to go on the attack. everywhere.
Betting the alumni are proud of their alma mater. Try ceasing any donations.
Shapiro did make a mistake, which merited an apology. He said that Biden's pledge to nominate a Black woman meant that his nominee would be less qualified than Sri Srinivasan.
That was an error. The only constitutional requirement for nominees is that the President must nominate them. That fact alone means that the nominee is a priori better qualified than other candidates for the nomination.
We have raised a generation of dictatorial big babies. I wonder if that will end well?
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