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Smile! The IRS Wants You To Send Selfies to a Facial Recognition Company

Plus: What the U.S. should do about Ukraine, America’s geriatric music market, and more…

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 1.24.2022 9:32 AM

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"No Identity Left Behind." Americans who want to access tax return transcripts, check on child tax credits, or do other tasks through the IRS website will have to turn over their image to a facial recognition company called ID.me.

To get verified through ID.me, a person must "provide a photo of an identity document such as a driver's license, state ID or passport" and "take a selfie with a smartphone or a computer with a webcam," the IRS website explains.

"The IRS emphasizes taxpayers can pay or file their taxes without submitting a selfie or other information to a third-party identity verification company," an IRS spokesperson said.

But that's not so for tasks like accessing tax account information—including your tax records—online, using the Child Tax Credit Update Portal, setting up an online payment plan, or getting an identity protection pin. And "additional IRS applications will transition to the new method over the next year," the agency says.

The IRS began rolling out the new requirement for child tax credit accounts last summer. By this upcoming summer, it will be required for all IRS online service accounts (existing online account credentials will no longer work). "The new process is one more step the IRS is taking to ensure that taxpayer information is provided only to the person who legally has a right to the data," states the IRS website.

Of course, turning over private data to ID.me—including Social Security numbers, ID documents, etc.—risks exposing them through security breaches and through the company's own policies.

ID.me offers relatively broad criteria under which it can share your data.

"Information we receive about you can be accessed and preserved for an extended period when it is the subject of a legal request or obligation, governmental investigation, or investigations of possible violations of our terms or policies, criminal and other investigations, or otherwise to prevent harm," states its privacy policy (emphasis mine).

We access, preserve and share your information with regulators, government agencies, law enforcement and other third parties if we have a good faith belief:

  • It is required to meet or comply with any applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request (like a search warrant, discovery request in a civil proceeding, court order or subpoena).
  • It is necessary to investigate, detect, prevent and address fraud, suspected or actual prohibited activities, unauthorized use of the ID.Me Service, violations of our Terms of Service or policies, or other harmful, criminal or illegal activity.
  • It is necessary to protect ourselves (including our rights, property or the ID.Me Service), you or others, including as part of investigations or regulatory inquiries or in response to requests from law enforcement; or to prevent financial loss, property damage, death or imminent bodily harm."

As for security, ID.me notes that "no data transmission over the Internet or any wireless network can be guaranteed to be 100% secure. As a result, while we employ commercially reasonable security measures to protect data and seek to partner with service providers that do the same, we cannot guarantee the security of any information transmitted to or from the Website, and are not responsible for the actions of any third parties that may receive any such information."

In a press release (which touts something the company calls its "No Identity Left Behind initiative"), ID.me CEO and founder Blake Hall said, "privacy is core to our mission and we do not sell the personal information of our users."

tl;dr IRS trying to fight fraud so they're forcing Americans who want to get tax data from the IRS online to submit biometric data in the form of a selfie (to a third-party company) to verify themselves.

This is very, very bad, and every tech-aware American should fight it. https://t.co/uigvLVS1Zj

— Jackie Singh (@HackingButLegal) January 20, 2022


FREE MINDS

With Russia potentially preparing to invade Ukraine, the Biden administration is threatening more economic sanctions against Russia and has sent two shipments of weapons to Ukraine. (Surely, none of those will get in the wrong hands…). Still, some on the right are accusing President Joe Biden of being weak. But what more would they actually have him do?

A lot of critics' pronouncements about what should be done are vague/platitudes ("we simply need to let Putin know that the United States stands with our Ukrainian friends," Iowa Republican Sen. Joni Ernst told ABC's This Week on Sunday) or stress steps Biden has taken or is considering taking. The real aim seems to be scoring political points, using a pending war across the globe as yet another opportunity to trash the Biden administration. But while there are plenty of things to criticize the administration for, not being more hawkish toward Russia-Ukraine is certainly not one of them.

Whether reasonable responses will prevail in the face of all this is unclear. The New York Times reported yesterday that "Biden is considering deploying several thousand U.S. troops, as well as warships and aircraft, to NATO allies in the Baltics and Eastern Europe, an expansion of American military involvement amid mounting fears of a Russian incursion into Ukraine."

More Ukraine-related commentary and news:

  • When It's Not about Ukraine
  • How to Retreat From Ukraine
  • The U.S. State Department is pulling nonessential staff out of the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine and urging U.S. citizens in the country to get out.

FREE MARKETS

America's geriatric music market. Information from music analytics firm MRC Data shows that 70 percent of the U.S. music market is composed of old songs. And "the news gets worse: The new-music market is actually shrinking," notes The Atlantic.

All the growth in the market is coming from old songs.

The 200 most popular new tracks now regularly account for less than 5 percent of total streams. That rate was twice as high just three years ago. The mix of songs actually purchased by consumers is even more tilted toward older music. The current list of most-downloaded tracks on iTunes is filled with the names of bands from the previous century, such as Creedence Clearwater Revival and The Police.


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— Samuel Sinyangwe (@samswey) January 21, 2022

• America is bombing a Syrian prison where hundreds of kids are housed.

• Older women share tales of abortion in a pre–Roe v. Wade world. (Saturday marked the 49th anniversary of that decision.)

• How cryptocurrency is helping Afghan families.

• "No, there were no litter boxes on school grounds for students to use if they identified as furries": The rumor was bred by people opposed to unisex bathrooms in Michigan schools.

• West Virginia is doubling down on fentanyl myths.

• Legislation in Florida would ban schools from discussions of sexuality and gender identity.

• When people are symptomatic and have high viral loads, rapid tests are proving about as effective at detecting omicron as they were other COVID-19 variants. But tests may not be as effective at picking up on omicron more generally.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Americans who want to access tax return transcripts, check on child tax credits, or do other tasks through the IRS website will have to turn over their image to a facial recognition company called ID.me.

    Don't worry, IRS agent. That extended finger is a natural part of my face.

    1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      And pay no attention to the sign I am holding that says: Fuck Joe Biden. 🙂

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        If you were really committed, you would go to a tattoo shop.

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        2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

          Nah. Use Henna or temporary tatto medium, so you can remove it and have plausible deniability.

    2. Ronbback   4 years ago

      how much did ID.me pay the IRS to make this a requirement. i hope someone sues to stop this. need id to see my own taxes but no id to vote

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        Don't worry, you don't need ID to pay taxes. You just need ID to access proof that you did.

        1. KAR-en   4 years ago

          Do you get a deduction for the money you tithe or donate? If you do that’s BS because your church donates it to explicitly evil causes. Prop 8, pro LGTB discrimination groups, groups working to eliminate the establishment clause, prohibition causes.

          All in the name of a pervert god that’s been disproven…

          1. Trollificus   4 years ago

            Not quite flamboyant enough to be a Hank sock...but stupid enough, for sure.

    3. Griffin3   4 years ago

      This is the stupidest thing I have seen in a long time. Not only is id.me a private company that is long on talk, and short on actual security experience -- but facial recognition over the user's hardware is ridiculous. In fixed locations, using certified equipment, like a building entrance or border customs, it works, but on unknown equipment it is a joke. I can slip any video into the camera stack of this laptop, running Linux*, and the application software will be none the wiser. If you think that a system where I just have to get an SSN and a short video clip of anyone in order to dig through their taxes is a good idea, you're fuckin' nuts!

      [* sure, disallow Linux, it's the OS of anarchists anyway. But it is just as easy to do the same thing for Windows running in Virtualbox or VMware, which is at the mercy of it's host OS for inputs. We control the vertical, we control the horizontal, etc ... ]

    4. mad.casual   4 years ago

      My nose is 10" long and I have a really strong cleft chin.

      Seriously, how Facebook was making it by offering "Hey! It recognizes my friends and family!" automagic in return for stealing your info. How the IRS isn't going get just deluged with dick pics I have no idea.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        I understand how FB was making it, I should say.

      2. Minadin   4 years ago

        Years back, I posted a pic of my car on Facebook, and their cutting edge facial recognition technology asked me to tag my five-spoke alloy wheel rims.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    With Russia potentially preparing to invade Ukraine, the Biden administration is threatening more economic sanctions against Russia...

    Hopefully the Bidens don't have financial interests in Ukraine.

    1. SQRLSY One   4 years ago

      If the Russian Government Almighty was smart, they'd buy some Hunter Biden art, and then they'd likely be able to get away with FAR more!

      https://nypost.com/2021/12/06/wh-flags-art-market-as-money-laundering-haven-amid-hunter-biden-shows/

      https://www.vox.com/2021/8/3/22601671/hunter-biden-art-sales-walter-shaub

      I wonder if the Trumpaloos will now show up to say that Vox is liberally biased, and can't be trusted?

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        On a tangent, if you want to see some truly disturbing art, search for “Putin art”.

        1. SQRLSY One   4 years ago

          My fave art featuring Putin-went-a-tootin'!

          https://society6.com/product/putin-riding-trump1654197_print

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            Damn you!

            1. SQRLSY One   4 years ago

              Yes, this art is rather repulsive... Hard to un-see, and-or, hard to forget! Tag, you're it!

              1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

                Not playing!

    2. SQRLSY One   4 years ago

      https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      It is nice that they are already telling Americans they are going to be left behind.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Here’s a more detailed overview of what Americans in Ukraine are being told. More accurate than “they are already telling Americans they are going to be left behind”:

        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/europe/us-orders-embassy-families-ukraine-says-staff-may-leave-well-rcna13235

        What would you have them do differently?

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Caw caw!

        2. damikesc   4 years ago

          State Dept official quote: "Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The US government will not be in a position to evacuate US citizen. So US citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly."

          In other words, Biden is leaving people behind. Again. As a coward and somebody who does not seem fond of his country.

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            What precisely would you have them do differently?

            1. R Mac   4 years ago

              Just when you think Dee can’t get more pathetic.

        3. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

          Ride a boat pulled by a team of sealions home?

    4. Sevo   4 years ago

      "Hopefully the Bidens don't have financial interests in Ukraine."

      Maybe droolin' Joe's finally found something he can't fuck up.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   4 years ago

        The Ukrainians do have financial interests in the White House though.

    5. Longtobefree   4 years ago

      They quit paying Hunter for doing nothing; why do you think Joe is letting the Russians in?
      Payback.

    6. Utkonos   4 years ago

      You know who else invaded Ukraine?

      1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Just about everybody.

        1. Utkonos   4 years ago

          Huh. I thought that was Poland…

  3. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    America is bombing a Syrian prison where hundreds of kids are housed.

    To show you the president isn't rusty being four years out of the game.

    1. HorseConch   4 years ago

      Gotta keep that trigger finger itchy. I've heard you lose the ability if you spend too long not bombing innocents.

    2. Overt   4 years ago

      We shouldn't be bombing Syria at all, obviously, but does anyone doubt that when they say "hundreds of kids are housed" here, it is a euphemism for "hundreds of kids are held here as human shields"?

      1. Unable2Reason   4 years ago

        Don't worry. It's just the cast from West Side Story.

      2. American Mongrel   4 years ago

        Or perhaps, hundreds of 16 & 17 yo boys known to be members of the local militias?

        1. JasonAZ   4 years ago

          I'm sure they like young nubile boys for "some" reason...

    3. mad.casual   4 years ago

      Again, I'm reminded of the Trevor Noah own-goal "joke" where Trump, in the awkward face-to-face WH tour/exit interview, doesn't have to explain to Joe where The Situation Room is.

  4. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "With Russia potentially preparing to invade Ukraine"

    Always remember anything bad that happens during Biden's term is actually Drumpf's fault. We saw this when Mr. Buttplug (quoting Juan Cole) informed us those embarrassing final couple weeks in Afghanistan were actually set in motion by the Drumpf Regime. Likewise if Putin misbehaves during the Biden Administration we know who's really to blame.

    GOP Blames Biden for Russian Aggression. Don’t Forget About Trump.

    #DefendBidenAtAllCosts

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      PS — Putin is actually terrified of Biden's mental sharpness and decades of foreign policy wisdom.

      Vladimir Putin doesn’t want me to be President. He doesn’t want me to be our nominee. If you’re wondering why — it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s ever gone toe-to-toe with him. - Joe Biden, February 21, 2020

      #LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussia
      #BidenIsAsSharpAsEver

      1. HorseConch   4 years ago

        Joe was right. I bet that little pussy Vlad is hiding in a closet somewhere. Nobody wants to be on the other end when Big Bad Joe comes for them.

        1. Unable2Reason   4 years ago

          Just ask Corn Pop.

          1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            Putin was Corn Pop?

        2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

          Putin hides from Biden just like his daughter hides from showers

        3. Brett Bellmore   4 years ago

          Even dictators sleep more easily knowing that a powerful foreign adversary is at least led by somebody who is mentally competent.

          1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            Now dictstors stock up on Jello Pudding Cups to throw at Biden as a distraction.

      2. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

        This is how you know the leaders of other nations laugh at biden when his back is turned, decades of thinking his HS football career meant something.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Well, he did score four touchdowns for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game. That’s pretty impressive.

      3. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

        Biden's mental sharpness

        Any chef will tell you that a dull knife is more dangerous.

  5. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "The IRS emphasizes taxpayers can pay or file their taxes without submitting a selfie or other information to a third-party identity verification company," an IRS spokesperson said."

    LOL

    1. Claptrap   4 years ago

      ID.me CEO and founder Blake Hall said, "privacy is core to our mission and we do not sell the personal information of our users."

      This is an even bigger LOL from me. My wife and I were already forced to enroll to opt out of the advance tax credits (even though we file jointly, which makes total sense), and I expect to get fucked sometime on account of it.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Yeah, we're not selling your personal information. We're just giving it to the IRS! They're treating us like idiots.

      2. Eeyore   4 years ago

        Until they change thier mind.

    2. Anomalous   4 years ago

      By selfie do they mean dick pic?

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

        Not if they tax by the inch.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      Just like voting?

  6. Chumby   4 years ago

    Here’s my selfie:

    mIm

    1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      Multi-Level Marketing? A picture of Amway products?

  7. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Older women share tales of abortion in a pre–Roe v. Wade world.

    They must be old if they still don't identify as birthing persons.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      The horror of federalism where states could decide what they want

  8. Libby Terry-Ann   4 years ago

    o get verified through ID.me, a person must "provide a photo of an identity document such as a driver's license, state ID or passport" and "take a selfie with a smartphone or a computer with a webcam," the IRS website explains.

    How will minorities access their tax info? This new rule requires an ID, internet know how, etc. Sounds racist.

    1. Claptrap   4 years ago

      Minorities, being poor, don't have to file or pay taxes anyway. Don't you know anything?

      1. Paulpemb   4 years ago

        "Poor people are just as smart as white people!"

        -'President' Joke Biden

      2. VULGAR MADMAN   4 years ago

        Didn’t you know that black people are too dumb to get an ID?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    No, there were no litter boxes on school grounds for students to use if they identified as furries...

    Candidate Beto has found his central plank.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      If they poop on the floor in a classroom, should we rub their noses in it?

  10. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "Legislation in Florida would ban schools from discussions of sexuality and gender identity."

    Absolutely outrageous.

    What we should really ban is transphobic material like "adult males have higher testosterone levels than adult females" or "you can usually tell by examining a skeleton if the person was male or female."

    #ILoveScience

    1. Zeb   4 years ago

      Ordinarily I don't think much of specific bans of certain subjects. But when there is significant disagreement in society over the correct way to deal with a certain issue, as is the case with gender/sexuality at the moment, it seems quite appropriate for government run schools to steer clear of the whole subject.

  11. Rich   4 years ago

    To get verified through ID.me, a person must "provide a photo of an identity document such as a driver's license, state ID or passport" and "take a selfie with a smartphone or a computer with a webcam," the IRS website explains.

    So, don't worry about this, folks. It'll never pass the racial litmus test, because minorities are inherently unable to obtain identity documents.

    1. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

      Was thinking the same, how is this ever going to work in the left-leaning fantasy world where the mere suggestion of requiring an ID card is tantamount to Jim Crow and voter suppression? The left's absolute trust of government entities and their use of information that could be used for identity theft aside, this is.

    2. Trollificus   4 years ago

      Follow the science, man. This is an evolved trait. For many thousands of generations, member of the tribe who tried to avoid being eaten by providing ID documents to the predators, were, in fact, eaten.

      Why this evolutionary track was followed in some places but not others, I can't say. Not that I don't know, I'm just not allowed to say.

  12. rbike   4 years ago

    On Saturday, my Pandora music account decided to switch the station I was listening to for no apparent reason. It was planning a song I liked from the Cars CandyO album. It switched to a Drake? song after I restarted the car while doing errands. Pandora could not have made me angrier at this to realize that after I started my car that I would have to listen to that. What awful crap current music is. I will likely cancel my Pandora account. Where would they get the idea to suggest that? It is not even February yet and they are pushing black music at us

    1. Claptrap   4 years ago

      The Canadian takeover of the uppermost echelon of pop music may go down as the worst development of the teens, which is a high bar.

      My favorite part about Pandora is that no matter where I start or how much I try to tune the station, Spirit in the Sky always shows up around hour three.

      1. ErictheRed   4 years ago

        For me it's the goddam Pina Colada song...

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

          Who the fuck likes getting caught in the rain?

          1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            The Eighties were the time for wet T-Shirt Contests.

        2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

          Yacht Rock, Baby!

    2. Zeb   4 years ago

      You goddamn kids get off of my lawn!

      1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        I say this from my second floor apartment to the parking lot and that really scares 'em!

    3. Eeyore   4 years ago

      The paid promotions made me stop using pandora a long time ago.

      1. Briggie   4 years ago

        Pandora is ok to just tune into a station and listen to random stuff. I mostly keep mine around because I have been using it since 2007 and I am used to it. Recently have gotten a Spotify subscription and so far it has been worth it, and mostly use that now.

    4. Trollificus   4 years ago

      I like a lot of music that doesn't even have drums in it. Pandora informs me that it "can't even with this".

  13. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "Older women share tales of abortion in a pre–Roe v. Wade world."

    Just women? No nonbinary uterus owners? No transmen?

    TBH I prefer my abortion advocacy a little more intersectional.

    #DoBetter

  14. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    West Virginia is doubling down on fentanyl myths.

    If word is it's not in fact going to start the zombie apocalypse then I know you're lying.

  15. Rich   4 years ago

    "No, there were no litter boxes on school grounds for students to use if they identified as furries":

    However, such students had to be "taken outside for a walk" when nature called.

    1. Utkonos   4 years ago

      Um…Stay out of the tan bark playground during recess.

    2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      Cat litter is a good thing to have on hand...for automobile traction in mud anď snow and for the home fallout shelter, not for the kid who comes to school in Pikachu pajamas.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Legislation in Florida would ban schools from discussions of sexuality and gender identity.

    THEN HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO TEACH MATH???

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      Beautiful.

  17. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

    With regards the Russia crap ENB shows her extream lack of knowledge. There are plenty of things that could be done.
    1. Don't force eastern Europeans and middle eastern allies such as Isreal tk close pipelines. This strengthens europs dependancw on Russia for energy
    2. Same goes for feacking which take Russia oil market... Until it was banned.
    3. Sanction Germany for working with Russia behind other countries backs violating Nato and EU agreements. I know the ukrain isn't in the EU and that pisses Germany off, but there are alot of other EU countries that are nervous about that

    1. Overt   4 years ago

      Or just withdraw from NATO. The only reason Germany is selling its soul to Russia for natural gas is that they think the US will consistently be there to bail them out if Russia gets uppity. The US should unceremoniously declare that if Germany is so interested in setting up trade with the country that precipitated the formation of NATO in the first place, we obviously don't need it any more.

      1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        Tempting, but I think not = withdraw from NATO

        We could relocate troops to the Baltics and to our easternmost NATO allies (as well as bringing many home). That would 'sting'.

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          Conflict with Russia hurts, not helps, the American people.
          NATO, and especially NATO expansion to Eastern Europe hurts, not helps, the American people.

          1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            Neither Russia nor NATO helps the American people. Get rid of NTO and let Russia deal with multiple little superpowers instead of just one. And let both the U.S. and Europe start sending out tankers full of Light Sweet Crude and natural gas for sale and watch Putin draw in his fangs.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

        Got to wonder how many Germans think the wrong side dominated after reunification.

        1. Briggie   4 years ago

          There is a German language learning channel I follow on YouTube called Easy German. About a year or so ago they had a video doing street interviews called “What do Germans think of Capitalism?” Let’s just say the responses nearly made me write a comment saying, “This is a friendly reminder that Eastern Germany and the Soviet Union don’t exist anymore for a reason.”

        2. CE   4 years ago

          The Stasi were much more efficient, after all.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    But tests may not be as effective at picking up on omicron more generally.

    As long as they don't differentiate from colds or influenza, we can keep this party going.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      The variant that will break out in record numbers around October 15 will have no symptoms at all.

      1. RabbitHead   4 years ago

        And be undetectable? The horror!

        Total permanent lockdown is the only way to be sure

        1. Trollificus   4 years ago

          And masks!! Double, nay, TRIPLE masks!!

          Also, all human interaction, including sex, will be conducted online,
          It's the only way to flatten the curve.

    2. CE   4 years ago

      If you can't tell if you have it or not, maybe it's time to dial down the alarm volume.

  19. Rich   4 years ago

    "additional IRS applications will transition to the new method over the next year,"

    "and all Federal Government applications the year after that."

  20. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "Still, some on the right are accusing President Joe Biden of being weak. But what more would they actually have him do?"

    A big part of this is what the Biden administration chose to do in the past--particularly in regards to Nord Stream 2. When history is written about this a hundred years from now, they'll talk about whatever happens in Ukraine as a consequence of Biden's incompetent leadership on Nord Stream 2. Biden's decision on that was almost as incompetent as his failure to abide by the agreement Trump signed with the Taliban--which should have had all of our allies out of Kabul months before the Taliban waltzed in and overran the airport.

    The next thing we need to do is follow through on Trump's threats to Germany. We are obligated by treaty to come to their defense if they're attacked, but we are not obligated to station our troops within Germany. We are also obligated by a mutual defense treaty to defend Lithuania and Poland, and we should start moving our bases and troops into those countries. Lithuania is also under threat--with economic isolation driven by China and Russia working together.

    "As Lithuania sought to deepen diplomatic ties with Taiwan over recent months, Beijing has moved to make an example of Vilnius by flexing its massive trade muscle and stopping imports of Lithuanian goods. Business organizations told POLITICO that China's embargo is now hitting manufactured goods from other EU countries — such as France, Germany and Sweden — that are dependent on Lithuanian supply chains."

    ----Politico

    https://www.politico.eu/article/china-trade-attack-on-lithuania-exposes-eu-powerlessness/

    China forcing companies all over the EU to stop using anything sourced in Lithuania is much like Russia making Germany dependent on its natural gas; meanwhile, Germany doesn't seem to be doing anything to resist the Chinese effectively embargoing a member of the EU. German interests and U.S. interests were the same for a very long time, but that isn't true anymore, and our defense policy needs to change to reflect the new reality. I'd love to blame this on Biden's appeasement, but it's really just incompetence.

    1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      Ken, I am more surprised that Congress has been silent. This has been a slow-motion crisis in development for some time. If POTUS Biden is committing troops, he should formally address Congress (and the American people) to discuss this.

      What should he do differently, ENB? Oh, I don't know....for starters, maybe not take millions (in Burisma bribes) from Ukraine through his drug-addlepated son?

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        "Ken, I am more surprised that Congress has been silent. This has been a slow-motion crisis in development for some time. If POTUS Biden is committing troops, he should formally address Congress (and the American people) to discuss this."

        Congress hasn't been silent. It's just that broadcast media hasn't bothered to cover it.

        The Democrats in the Senate were openly critical of Biden's decision, and the Democrats have their own sanctions bill in place. The Republicans led by Cruz introduced their own sanctions bill, too. It was voted down in favor of the Democrats' version.

        "The Senate on Thursday rejected a Republican effort to impose sanctions related to a Russian-German natural gas pipeline during a pivotal period for the future of Ukraine and broader questions about trans-Atlantic responses to new Kremlin aggression.

        Senators voted 55-44 against legislation from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, that would require the imposition within two weeks of enactment of sanctions in the form of asset freezes and travel bans on European business officials leading the finalization of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. The bill needed 60 votes to pass."

        . . . . Most Democrats are rallying around a broader Russia sanctions bill authored by Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Menendez of New Jersey.

        ----Roll Call, January 13, 2022

        https://www.rollcall.com/2022/01/13/senate-democrats-back-biden-reject-cruzs-nord-stream-sanctions-bill/

        Ukraine is not part of NATO, and we are not obligated by treaty to come to Ukraine's aid. I don't believe there is any move to send U.S. troops into Ukraine. There are two questions: 1) Is it in the best interests of the Untied States to let our defense contractors sell anti-tank and anti-missile weapons systems to Ukraine? I think the answer is yes. The other question is about the political response to Russian aggression, specifically, 2) Will the Germans protect Putin from EU and NATO countries politically? The answer is that their economy is now dependent on Russian gas. People and nations have a way of rationalizing whatever is in their own best interests, and their best interests tend to be driven by economic considerations.

        P.S. The irony of Biden pushing to shut down natural gas for electricity in our country, even as Germany runs into the arms of Putin for his natural gas shouldn't be lost on anyone. The Biden administration is extremely incompetent.

        1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

          The irony of Biden pushing to shut down natural gas for electricity in our country, even as Germany runs into the arms of Putin for his natural gas shouldn't be lost on anyone. The Biden administration is extremely incompetent.
          ---------
          This is so obvious it's hard to believe they don't see it. Forcing people into the arms of Russia for heat in the winter as they are badmouthing Russia........not a great plan.

        2. BillyG   4 years ago

          Senators voted 55-44 against legislation from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas

          Strange phrasing from Roll Call. 55 senators voted FOR that legislation. Democrats used the filibuster to block it.

        3. Overt   4 years ago

          The idea that the US has a military interest in Ukraine is completely driven by rich oligarchs in the Ukraine who have dumped millions into DC think tanks like the Atlantic Council to make that notion up out of whole cloth.

          Ukraine matters as much to us as Kazakhstan. And it is the fact that we have stuck our nose into that place where it doesn't belong that Germany is able to sell out its entire Union with its perfidious double dealing. They think they can have it both ways- courting Russian energy, while the US plays hard ball with Putin. They believe that if Putin really goes nuts, the US will protect them.

          This is like the Sheriff's daughter going out clubbing at night because she knows that if she gets in over her had, Daddy will be there to save her.

          Well fuck Putin, Ukraine and Germany. They can figure this out between themselves.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            The idea that the United States has a security interest in Ukraine is driven by our treaty obligations to defend other countries in Putin's sights. One of the main reasons why Putin is focusing on the Ukraine is because Ukraine hasn't yet joined NATO, but if NATO showed no concern with being annexed by Russia, he'd push his case with NATO allies, too. That's one of the reasons why the Lithuanian situation is so important. If Germany won't stand by the EU member economically, why should Putin fear a NATO response militarily to Putin invading Lithuania?

            Appeasement is historically a terrible way to ensure peace, and that goes back much further than the 20th century. And the idea that Putin wouldn't be aggressive towards his neighbors if only we weren't a threat to Russia is nonsense. So long as it's in the best interests of Putin to be aggressive towards his neighbors, that's what he will be. Meanwhile, China is watching, North Korea is watching and so are our allies in the Pacific. If the U.S. won't fulfill its mutual defense treaty obligations, why worry about the U.S.?

            1. Illocust   4 years ago

              Appeasement is where you give someone something in the hopes they'll be satisfied and stop. Deciding that the outcome of a conflict has no noticeable impact on your country is not appeasement.

              1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                Putin authored a document in July of 2021, in which he outlined his view of the historical Russia. He claims that Ukrainians and Russians are one people with one land, and later in the document, he makes essentially the same argument for Russian claims on Poland and Lithuania. His explanation for why these places are no longer under Russian control rings a lot like the Dolchstoss myth. To put it succinctly, Putin sees the former Soviet republics in the west the same way Emperor Xi sees Taiwan--only maybe more so. Read Putin's explanation for yourself--straight from the Kremlin--here:

                http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

                After you read it, I suspect you'll agree that Putin's ambitions going beyond Ukraine and into NATO member territory is not a baseless assumption.

                1. Illocust   4 years ago

                  Yep, his ambitions do. Still doesn't make it appeasement to not care about a country with little to no impact on the US. Ukraine doesn't matter. When he decides to threaten to invade a NATO country that will matter.

                  1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                    I think that is what 20th century appeasement was all about.

                    "In August, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain sent Lord Runciman on a Mission to Czechoslovakia in order to see if he could obtain a settlement between the Czechoslovak government and the Germans in the Sudetenland . . . . British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain met Adolf Hitler in Berchtesgaden on 15 September and agreed to the cession of the Sudetenland; three days later, French Prime Minister Édouard Daladier did the same. No Czechoslovak representative was invited to these discussions. Germany was now able to walk into the Sudetenland without firing a shot.

                    "Chamberlain met Hitler in Godesberg on 22 September to confirm the agreements. Hitler, aiming to use the crisis as a pretext for war, now demanded not only the annexation of the Sudetenland but the immediate military occupation of the territories"

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis

                    This is what appeasement looks like. What did we have to gain by defending Czechoslovakia? What did we have to gain by defending Austria? And Poland was part of Prussia, right? Poland might not have happened if the German leadership were given a really hard time in annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia. Taking those two was like taking candy from a baby. Why not take Poland at that point?

                    That's what appeasement looks like, and that's what appeasement does. It doesn't lead to peace. It fails to prevent war. Wars aren't prevented through appeasement. Wars are prevented when the belligerents understand that the risks and costs of going to war are greater than the benefits. Appeasement persuades the belligerents to be more belligerent--since Genghis Khan and the Vikings.

                    I'm not saying the United States needs to get directly involved in Ukraine. I'm saying that if we don't want to get directly involved in a war in Lithuania and Poland, 1) We better have a significant deterrent force in place in those countries sooner rather than later, and 2) It's in our best interest for our private defense contractors to sell plenty of hardware to Ukraine so that they can defend themselves and make the annexation of Ukraine as costly as possible for Putin. That's how you prevent the U.S. from going to war.

                    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                      P.S. Keeping Germany from depending on Putin for natural gas was another good way to avoid a war.

                    2. Nardz   4 years ago

                      Ken, your premise is fucking idiotic, one-sided propaganda. It's especially ironic considering how much you whined about hitting Suleimani after he led attacks on Americans and the US embassy, then steadfastly refused to admit your erroneous reasoning despite reality proving completely contrary to your predictions.
                      Putin isn't marching on Poland and Lithuania, no matter how much your fantasies depend upon it.
                      The US orchestrated a coup in Ukraine (Nuland and McCain didn't really hide that fact), and Kiev has been shelling towns in Donbass and Donetsk, with some attempts at ethnic cleansing. Putin, like all Russian (not Soviet) leaders, considers protection of Russians his/Russia's responsibility when they're threatened abroad. This isn't comparable to World War II, it's you advocating for exactly what led to World War I. Russia has never had expansionist ambitions. The USSR may have, though it's been exaggerated, but Russia's wars going back centuries have been defensive. The Swedes, French, Germans, and especially British (with their evil "Great Game" philosophy) have ALWAYS been the aggressors.
                      Read some fucking history.
                      I'm not interested in risking nuclear war with the only WMD rival to the US just to satisfy British deep staters, Ukraine's oligarchs, American oligarchs money laundering pit, and global government totalitarians.

            2. Overt   4 years ago

              "The idea that the United States has a security interest in Ukraine is driven by our treaty obligations to defend other countries in Putin's sights"

              No it isn't. We have no treaty obligation to Ukraine. And if Ukraine is currently being menaced by Russia, while I feel for them, it is not our problem. Even if Ukraine were completely invaded by, and became a puppet state of, Russia, that would be more of a problem for Russia than NATO. To the extent that the US wants to sell arms to Ukraine, I have no problem. But the billions of dollars being parachuted into that country are no more than Billionaire bailouts and those billionaires have ZERO incentive to create a stable situation with Russia.

              If the US is so convinced that Ukraine's sovereignty is a lynchpin to NATO, then the United States ought to go forward with offering Ukraine membership in NATO. Of course, this would very likely mean going to war with Russia. So the question ultimately becomes, "Is Ukraine so important to NATO's security that NATO is willing to go to war" and everyone's actions seem to suggest, No.

              "Appeasement is historically a terrible way to ensure peace, and that goes back much further than the 20th century. And the idea that Putin wouldn't be aggressive towards his neighbors if only we weren't a threat to Russia is nonsense."

              It is not clear to me that this is Appeasement. Ukraine does not matter to US interests, and so far the EU countries with an opinion don't seem to feel it is worth a war with Putin to protect Ukraine.

              But even if it were, we don't have any proof that being forceful against assholes would be any more of a way to ensure peace. Indeed, while Chamberlain was securing "Peace for our Time" the US was reacting in the exact opposite way with regards to Japan. The US was antagonizing them constantly with sanctions and embargos for their adventurism in Manchuria, and this did nothing to prevent the war in the Pacific.

              Sometimes people are going to go to war. The question is whether it is in the US's interest to be involved. In the case of Ukraine it doesn't make any sense. Indeed, it isn't really even clear that the US has an interest in NATO any more. We are no longer facing a regime with the declared goal to spread its ideology around the world. We have a strongman dictator not substantially different than strongman dictators in Africa and Asia. If their local populace and regional neighbors are not going to do the needful to defend themselves (and indeed double deal with the same dictators), it is not clear to me that the United States' interests are served by enabling them.

              Indeed, it seems to me that Europe is good for a conflaguration every 50 years or so. No sanctions,

              1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                "No it isn't. We have no treaty obligation to Ukraine."

                I don't think you read my statement that you quoted.

                "The idea that the United States has a security interest in Ukraine is driven by our treaty obligations to defend other countries in Putin's sights"

                ----Ken Shultz

                Lithuania and Poland are NATO members in good standing, and we are obligated to defend them. You may not see the connection between Ukraine, Lithuania, and Poland, but, per my link above, Putin does. You may not see the parallels to the Anschluss, the annexation of the Sudetenland (Peace in our time!), and the events that followed in Poland, but I do--and I think a lot of NATO members do, as well.

                1. Nardz   4 years ago

                  Ken, doubling down despite getting geopolitics consistently wrong.
                  Why the fuck would Russia want to take Ukraine, Poland, and Lithuania?
                  What's their motivation in your little progressive fantasy?

                2. Overt   4 years ago

                  You did not read *MY* response, that if Ukraine were completely annexed by Russia, that would be more of a problem for Russia than NATO.

                  1) Ukraine is essentially a thin finger of land bordered on all 3 sides by NOT RUSSIA and on 2 sides by NATO countries (Turkey being just on the other side of the Black Sea). Ukraine's western border is shared with FOUR NATO nations- attacking Lithuania and or Poland would require invading all four, while protecting the ENTIRE supply chain from Turkey-based air attacks.

                  2) It was "Peace for our Time", not "in our time". As I said, it is not clear that antagonizing Russia will do anything to prevent the annexation of Ukraine or other wars. It merely threatens to get us involved in the war.

                  3) Treaties are not a moral prerogative in and of themselves. If it is not in our interest to get in a war over Ukraine to protect NATO countries, then maybe it isn't in our interests to protect NATO countries. Given that several NATO countries seem to enjoy trading with the country NATO is ostensibly supposed to protect them from, it appears that they aren't to interested in NATO as a compelling interest for themselves, either. While we are obligated by treaty to defend the NATO countries, that is only so for one year after we officially state our desire to withdraw. And if staying in NATO means defending Ukraine (a non NATO country) from a country whose money is coming FROM NATO COUNTRIES, withdrawing seems to be the best case scenario at this time.

                  1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

                    1) You may believe it isn't in Putin's best interests to go to war in Ukraine, but Putin's interests are political and within Russia. If and when Putin invades Ukraine, his popularity in Russia will soar, and that's all he really cares about.

                    2) Mutual defense treaties are probably the greatest deterrent to war. It is in the best interests of the United States not to go to war in eastern Europe, and the best way to accomplish that is to make it clear that our NATO commitments aren't threats. They're legit promises.

                    1. Nardz   4 years ago

                      Plug this into your formula, Ken, because it's a hell of a lot closer to reality than your abstract caricatures:
                      Eastern Ukraine = Serbia
                      Kiev = Austria
                      Russia = Russia
                      NATO = Germany/Wilhelm

            3. Nardz   4 years ago

              Ken, provide evidence of your progressive/neocon talking points.
              This narrative displays such a lack of historical knowledge or strategic insight.

        4. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

          I think talking up (and voting on) sanctions at this stage is a complete waste of time; I don't count that as 'Congress speaking'. I get what you are saying though. POTUS Biden is now sending troops, repositioning others in proximity to Ukraine, and pulling out embassy staff. That is qualitatively different. When you put two big armies next to each other, something will happen.

          Add to that, we have another carrier group (now two) in the South China sea. We are getting stretched. You think that is an accident?

          War is coming, Ken. Congress must speak.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            There's no reason for Congress to get involved unless the U.S. is in the conflict, and that doesn't appear to be the case.

        5. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

          They passed incompetence and are into malicious. Pure incompetence doesn't explain half of what is going on. But if you look at the Biden administration as a gang that wants to make a ton of money and destroy America in the process, their moves start to make sence.

      2. Minadin   4 years ago

        What's odd to me is, on CBS news this morning, they said that Biden was considering sending 'more' troops to the region.

        Do we already have some there that I was not aware of?

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          I think they're referring to eastern Europe generally, and we do have NATO allies in eastern Europe--and troops stationed in allied countries.

          1. Nardz   4 years ago

            We have a couple thousand "advisors" in Ukraine. But please do keep posing as an expert.

    2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      Just as a stroll down Memory Ln., Biden waived the sanctions over Nord Stream 2 in a good will gesture to Germany ahead of his tour of Europe back in May of 2020.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

      Joe Biden is an idiot, and he needs to be removed from office.

      1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

        You know, 'maladministration' is a thing.....in the Constitution. 🙂

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      I like how ENB cannot realize that plenty of stupid decisions, such as Biden's asinine policies on all pipelines that do not benefit Russia, lead to much bigger problems.

      Should we go to war? No. But we should remove Biden.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        And here's a harp for pro-Trump people to strum.

        Trump was probably right about Germany not being on our side.

        "This past July, on the final day of the nato summit in Brussels, Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, proposed a closed-door emergency meeting. The emergency was Donald Trump. Minutes earlier, the President had arrived late to a session where the Presidents of Ukraine and Georgia were making their case to join nato. Trump interrupted their presentation and unleashed a verbal assault on the members of the alliance, calling them deadbeats and free riders on American power. Trump threatened to go his “own way” if they didn’t immediately pay more for their own defense. His barrage centered on Merkel, Europe’s longest-serving democratic leader.

        “You, Angela,” Trump chided Merkel. Most of nato’s members had failed to fulfill the goal of spending two per cent of G.D.P. for defense, but Trump focussed on Germany’s military spending of just over one per cent of G.D.P. In front of television cameras the previous day, he had accused Germany of being “totally controlled by Russia,” because of a proposed new gas pipeline. His tweets that day sounded like blackmail. “What good is NATO if Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars for gas and energy? The U.S. is paying for Europe’s protection, then loses billions on Trade. Must pay 2% of GDP IMMEDIATELY, not by 2025.”

        ----The New Yorker, December 17, 2018

        https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/24/how-trump-made-war-on-angela-merkel-and-europe

        I strongly suspect the Biden administration naively did this shit to be anti-Trump. They may genuinely believe that things like Nord 2 and Trump's response to the asylum seeker crisis were just an artifact of his abrasive personality. Progressives are so stupid, and they're making Trump look like a prescient genius.

        1. damikesc   4 years ago

          It's amazing to me that some think leaving the NATO would be bad for us. I fail to see how. Fuck Europe. Let Germany carry the load for the first time in a long time.

          1. Trollificus   4 years ago

            "What could possibly go wrong?"
            ~Bubsy the Bobcat

        2. Sevo   4 years ago

          "...Trump interrupted their presentation and unleashed a verbal assault on the members of the alliance, calling them deadbeats and free riders on American power. Trump threatened to go his “own way” if they didn’t immediately pay more for their own defense. His barrage centered on Merkel, Europe’s longest-serving democratic leader..."
          Spot on!

          1. damikesc   4 years ago

            Yeah, nobody seems able to state what the wrong thing he said was. Trump was right. They ARE freeloaders and have been for a long time.

            1. Ronbback   4 years ago

              what they said was wrong about it, is that it was the truth but we don't tell our allies the truth since it hurts their feelings. that is what they complained about.

          2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            What about this part?

            President [Trump] had arrived late to a session where the Presidents of Ukraine and Georgia were making their case to join nato. Trump interrupted their presentation and unleashed a verbal assault on the members of the alliance, calling them deadbeats and free riders on American power. Trump threatened to go his “own way” if they didn’t immediately pay more for their own defense. His barrage centered on Merkel, Europe’s longest-serving democratic leader.

            . . . . "In front of television cameras the previous day, he had accused Germany of being “totally controlled by Russia,” because of a proposed new gas pipeline.

            Trump saw this coming from 2018. We all saw it coming from 2018, which is why Trump put a stop to it. Biden kicked the chair out from under Ukraine when he let Nord Stream 2 go, and that was the real beginning of this slow motion train wreck. Trump saw it in 2018. Biden couldn't see it when it was staring him in the face--and Biden may have just done this stupid thing because of TDS. That mean man Trump doesn't want you to have your gas, but I'm a nice guy! Go tell that to the people Ukraine. Maybe TDS isn't just something that makes people think stupid things. Maybe it also causes infected presidents to do stupid things.

        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

          But being Trump-opposite got Biden elected, so it must be the right strategy for governing, right?

      2. R Mac   4 years ago

        ENB isn’t very bright. Assessing complex situations isn’t really her thing.

      3. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        What is your evidence of ENB realizing or not realizing "that plenty of stupid decisions, such as Biden's asinine policies on all pipelines that do not benefit Russia, lead to much bigger problems"?

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          LOL

  21. Rich   4 years ago

    Still, some on the right are accusing President Joe Biden of being weak. But what more would they actually have him do?

    <a href="https://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm&quot;A Realistic Plan for World Peace

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      A Realistic Plan for World Peace

      *** gets coffee ***

      1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        Monty Python had it first when Terry Jones said: "I would tax all foreigners living abroad." But the "Nuke The Moon" idea gives it teeth, so I like that too. 🙂

  22. Paulpemb   4 years ago

    "To get verified through ID.me, a person must 'provide a photo of an identity document such as a driver's license, state ID or passport' and 'take a selfie with a smartphone or a computer with a webcam,' the IRS website explains."

    IRS goes full racist, I see. How many Democrats would squeal if you had to do this to use an absentee ballot?

    1. Minadin   4 years ago

      All of them?

      1. CE   4 years ago

        We're not talking about disenfranchising people if they don't comply. Just making sure they pay their full share.

  23. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

    I mean, sure, I know some of the liberals here are going to laugh at him and claim that Tucker must have got his s balls caught in his zipper. But I won’t. What an amazing and prescient analysis. Tucker is the brightest intellectual of our times

    Tucker: M&M’s [editor’s note: yeah, the delicious chocolate covered candy that’s ruined the flavor by going woke] will not be satisfied until every last cartoon character is deeply unappealing and totally androgynous. Until the moment you wouldn’t want to have a drink with any one of them. That’s the goal. When you’re totally turned off, we’ve achieved equity…

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      Lame shrike.

      1. Ali Akbar Alexander   4 years ago

        You know what’s lame? The yellow M&M. They’ve totally emasculated hym. I can’t even figure out if I’d tap that shit now. Fucking Biden… I mean first we have to eat gruel and write poems to Dear Leader B. Now, if I can get the money that is because of the absolutely awful Biden economy, I have to think about what sex the red M&M is.

        1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          "I can’t even figure out if I’d tap that shit now."

          Yeah, right. You totally would.

      2. Nardz   4 years ago

        Leftists have no talent

        1. Nardz   4 years ago

          I think this new pathetic attempt at satire is a Mike Laursen sock.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            And right on cue she responded to it with a joke just as lame, so you might be right.

          2. JesseAz   4 years ago

            He accidentally uses his common wingnut.com this weekend. It is shrike.

  24. Jerry B.   4 years ago

    So the IRS can match taxpayers’ pictures with video of folks at right-wing demonstrations to make sure that their tax returns get a little special attention.

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      "We're simply ensuring you pay your fair share."

  25. damikesc   4 years ago

    Nice of Biden to engage in ANOTHER

    1. damikesc   4 years ago

      secret agreement with Iran.
      https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-admin-withholds-secret-iran-agreement-from-congress/

      What the fuck is up with Obama admin folks and doing secret deals with Iran?

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        They are corrupt and evil?

        1. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

          Don't skimp on the stupid, They are definitely not very bright.

  26. Brandybuck   4 years ago

    The old music dominates because the new music sucks. The music industry has only itself to blame. There are good new artists, but so few of them manage to get much support from the studios. What gets pushed is the formulaic crap. Bright spots are rare.

    Meanwhile the old good stuff is still good. 95% of everything is crap, and that goes for the old music too. We forget the old bad stuff, but the old good stuff like Creedence is still good. Why throw it away for new styles unfathomable to anyone older than twenty five? Heck, I still like pasta despite it being a thousand years old.

    1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

      "The old music dominates because the new music sucks."

      Said every generation ever. I'm sure my G-parents hated CCR.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        There are kids putting out amazing stuff on YouTube themselves, but Brandybuck's right about the industry.

        People used to hate new music trends because they were radically different styles, but the current industry stuff isn't new and radical at all. Just poorly done.
        It's the same old teeny pop, but with far less technical proficiency and variation, and 90% of it is written by just two men.

        Thoughty2 had a good analysis on it a few years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVME_l4IwII&t=16s

        1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

          Exactly this. You can find awesome new music out there, but you're much more likely to stumble across it online than hear it out of your radio.

          1. Trollificus   4 years ago

            Very true, and once in a while, even YouTubes' algorithm goes crazy and spits out something new, unique and wonderful.

            In a single month a while ago, it recommended
            Shingen Isu, a veteran Japanese metal trio made up of a Yakuza Elvis impersonator, a dead Buddhist monk and a tiny guy who looks like a history professor who's played guitar in a metal band for 30 years. And they were GOOD
            .
            Then, The Top Secret Drum Corps of Basel (yes, that Basel, and they are terrific)

            And THEN, DakjhaBrakha, an indescribable Ukranian avant-folk percussion and bass group with one Ukranian looking guy and three gorgeous Ukranian women in 2 foot tall black wool hats, and wedding dresses, and their music was like nothing else on this earth.

            Sadly, the YT algorithm has not been so inspired for a while now.

            I guess Yoyo Ma's super-eclectic "Silk Road" ensemble was recommended about that time too, but I'd heard of them already,.

            1. Trollificus   4 years ago

              Oh, and my point was, you won't hear any of THAT on a "current music" radio station, by gum.

      2. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

        First album I bought - CCR's Willy and the Poorboys, in the early 80s.

        1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

          My first purchased album was Hotel California, early 80's.

    2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "95% of everything is crap"

      For the uninitiated . . .

      "90% of everything is crap".

      ----Sturgeon's Law

      "Sturgeon's observation [was] that while science fiction was often derided for its low quality by critics, the majority of examples of works in other fields could equally be seen to be of low quality, and science fiction was thus no different in that regard from other art."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

      There isn't any artist I like just because of it's genre, and there isn't any genre I like just because of an artist. My favorite music has plenty of shitty artists in it, and I won't play them for people, and there are great pieces of work in genres that I can't stand. Some of my favorite books are by writers who only wrote one good book, and the rest of their output was crap. It works within artists, too. You may find Anais Nin's personal journals fascinating, but I bet 90% of her blog posts would have sucked.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        So I've been on the Korean Netflix stuff lately. I'd rank them:

        1. Hellbound- only 6 episode season, but really good. Big time Cultural Revolution vibes in the plot, and well done.
        2. The Silent Sea
        3. Squid Game
        4. Sisyphus- this show kinda sucks. 16 hour/+ long episodes. Poorly written melodrama that tries to do time travel and falls apart. I hate watched the final 6 episodes just to see if it went anywhere, and it was not worth it.

        Kingdom up next.

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          For all its cheesiness, why are Asian TV shows so much more satisfying to watch than American stuff?

          Maybe it's because unlike Hollywood they don't actually dispise their audience. You don't get the feeling that they're being unwarrantedly arrogant and talking down to you.

          1. Trollificus   4 years ago

            Because the characters are characters, which, even when cliche'd, is better than non-characters which are "marginalized group" inserts or author self-inserts?

            My second guess would be because almost anything is better than the crap Hollywood is churning out nowadays.

        2. R Mac   4 years ago

          Agreed with Hellbound.

        3. Utkonos   4 years ago

          I saw a couple of good Korean zombie flicks. Forgot the titles though

    3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      it's going to be very hard for the 21st century to eclipse the 20th century when it comes to great music.

      Also, Led Zeppelin rules.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        Led zep was great at finding unknown bands and then stealing their music.

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          The music Led Zeppelin "stole" was borrowed back and forth by all the blues greats, in the 1920s before they were ever recorded and associated with any particular artist, and what Zeppelin added to those original riffs was ingenious.

          For a quick sample of great classical composers who "stole" folk music, take a look at this:

          https://www.wqxr.org/story/what-kind-folk-music-pops-classical-music/

          Am I comparing Zeppelin to Chopin, Liszt, Dvorak, and Copeland?

          Why not? They were all doing the same thing when they "stole" music that existed in various forms for a very long time.

        2. Trollificus   4 years ago

          Don't care. They did it good.

    4. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

      Yes. It's possible to find new music that's good but you have to go off the beaten path to find it. Virtually nothing new that I've bought in the last several years is from a major record label.

    5. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

      Old joke - Back when I was younger, I thought that my generation's music was great, and everyone else's music sucked.

      Now that I'm older, I'm certain that my generation's music was great and everyone else's music sucked.

    6. Ronbback   4 years ago

      I've notices on Youtube some great music but none of them get attention i think it has to do with marketing, the old school big labels are like McDonalds and everyone else self publishes to keep out of big label clutches

    7. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      The 1960s had some of the most amazing music ever (The Beatles, Motown, on and on), but there were mountains of crap back then, too. Mercifully, it's all been forgotten...

      An example. My older sisters had a Four Jacks and a Jill single, "I Looked Back". Truly awful:

      https://youtu.be/pJqiV92-1LI

      If you want a taste, there's a YouTube channel, "Yesterday's Papers", where they play top singles from the UK in the 1960s. There was so much crap, with the gems we still remember sprinkled in here and there.

    8. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      On the flip side of how there is a musical memory hole, there was a LOT of incredible popular music from pre-rock and roll era that not many people listen to anymore: Django Reinhardt, all the famous big bands like Glenn Miller, Bob Wills, etc. I've been trying to familiarize myself with all this great music from before I was born.

    9. CE   4 years ago

      Plus the California bullet train is still stuck in Lodi, so CCR is still current.

  27. raspberrydinners   4 years ago

    There will be no pleasing jackasses like yourself.

    You want all the convenience of accessing tax docs online but don't want your info leaked or stolen yes? Especially pretty damn important info like the IRS has.

    So even though they provide a way to do allll of this without going through id.me you still can't help but bitch anyhow.

    You can't spend your time bitching in the right direction (like hey- why can't I still not trade out my simple 1040EZ for a postcard that the IRS mails me and says "you owe X or you overpaid X and we are refunding you."

    Noooo, it's gotta be some dumbass bitchfest about the IRS taking concrete steps to protect your info.

    JFC. I do remember a time when Reason actually wrote some pretty sound articles about libertarian things but you're basically just faux-libertarian fox news at this point. What a joke.

    1. damikesc   4 years ago

      HOW DARE YOU...be upset that the government is demanding you submit a photo of yourself to access your tax data. Is that right?

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        It's not like the IRS has been used to attack political opponents in the past... Right?

        1. Utkonos   4 years ago

          It’s enough to make one pine for the lost innocence of Kennedy’s Camelot. SIGH!!

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      You are Truely a big government hack retard.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        I'd say it was a parody, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually Tony. So yeah.

        1. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

          I don't think it's tony. It appears to be a separate, equally ignorant commenter, and it doesn't seem to rotate users like the Tony sock does.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Maybe it's a Tony from the past.

            Three or four years ago there was a Tony who was actually somewhat thoughtful and somewhat well read. Comparitively anyway. Totally different from the last two.

            1. R Mac   4 years ago

              Or maybe that Tony from the future.

          2. Zeb   4 years ago

            Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tony is just Tony and doesn't do multiple handles. Tony's silly bitchiness has a rather different tone from most of the others.

            1. Nardz   4 years ago

              Tony doesn't lie about who he is.
              He lies, or just spouts falsehoods, about plenty of things, but he's genuinely himself and owns his perspective.
              Unlike the other leftists here, who must constantly claim to be other than what/who they are in an attempt to deceive passersby, opponents, and themselves.
              Claiming "objectivity" or non-bias is one of the most often used dirty tricks of leftist partisans.

              And remember: every accusation by a leftist is confession.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 years ago

                Yeah, Tony’s genuine, for sure. He’s also the most fearful, hateful person around.

    3. Claptrap   4 years ago

      You file an EZ? That explains a lot.

    4. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

      Yeah. Because nobody can hold up a picture of you to gain access to your records.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

      Now do voting.

    6. CE   4 years ago

      Maybe Congress should have to try the face ID app before accessing any former president's returns then....

    7. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      You don't protect your personal data by putting more personal data out there, dummy!

    8. Trollificus   4 years ago

      So.,.that's a 3/10 then?

      I still manage to find a few points of interest in even the sloggiest Reason article, even when it doesn't meet my (well, actually *your*) high libertarian standards.

      Like in this one. I found it of interest that a new company, with no proven track record, starts their young business by landing...THE IRS ACCOUNT. Bit of a stroke of luck there, eh wot? Nobody else in the tech world is capable of providing such services? I am surprise.

      As with all modern media product, there's a story going untold there, I'm pretty sure.

  28. Rich   4 years ago

    We access, preserve and share your information with regulators, government agencies, law enforcement and other third parties if we have a good faith belief

    Emphasis added. How can the progressives support stuff that is *admittedly* faith-based?

  29. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    or do other tasks through the IRS website will have to turn over their image to a facial recognition company called ID.me

    But flashing your drivers license to vote is racist.

  30. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

    Putin's bitch had quite the plans for 2021:

    Donald Trump was considering pulling out of Nato and cutting the US’s alliance with South Korea if he won the 2020 election, according to an account of his private meetings with top aides.

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-planning-withdraw-us-nato-183526580.html

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Wow! That would have been fantastic.

      No wonder the war machine wanted him gone so badly.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        IMO, South Korea is one of the richest, most technologically advanced countries in the world and can take care of itself.
        There's zero reason for the US to still be wasting taxpayers dollars there, except to line defense contractors pockets.

        1. Claptrap   4 years ago

          It's an army-in-being. Just something for China to think about before they start throwing their weight around. Frankly, with the way geopolitics is unfolding it might make sense to expand on it, or put others in the region, at least until global supply chains stop hinging so much on the Chinese sphere of influence.

          Now central & western Europe? Close that shit down.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            They've still got all those Okinawan Air Bases for that. It's just cheaper for South Korea to have Americans than fielding it all themselves.

            1. Claptrap   4 years ago

              I really don't think air power alone offers enough of a deterrent, though I'm open minded about it.

              It's just cheaper for South Korea to have Americans than fielding it all themselves.

              Certainly true, but more useful to get them up to par while also maintaining a presence. Unfortunately, we won't be able to extricate ourselves from East Asia anytime soon.

        2. Ronbback   4 years ago

          considering teh only real deterrent to China going all over South Korea is Nuclear thats why there is a border in the first place when during the war the U.S. said go any further and we will nuke you. no sense in having troops where you will have to nuke

    2. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

      Yeah. It's kinda odd, though, that Putin didn't reinstall him in 2020. You know, rig the 2020 election like he supposedly did the 2016 election.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      I like how you call Trump Putin's bitch when Biden has Putin's hand so deeply up his ass we should call Joe "Vlad" from now on.

      Note: Putin did not have the balls to try and go after Ukraine under Trump. He leaves and, well, looks like problems are arising.

      And it is funny that Biden opposes all pipelines...except the ONE that benefits Russia.

      We should, BTW, leave NATO. Ditto UN. We need to stop wasting money on useless organizations that provide US zero benefits.

      1. Utkonos   4 years ago

        “Biden has Putin's hand so deeply up his ass we should call Joe "Vlad" from now on.”
        Vlad the Impaler II? EWWW!!!

    4. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      He was an existential threat to the neo-cons, and had to go.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        This.

    5. CE   4 years ago

      And libertarians still preferred Biden? Why?

    6. Trollificus   4 years ago

      Sounds good to me.

  31. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    Anyone wondering how the Ukraine situation would play out if they were still paying Hunter 80K/mo?

    So we show the IRS a masked face and MAGA hat with sunglasses?

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      "Anyone wondering how the Ukraine situation would play out if they were still paying Hunter 80K/mo?"

      What are your thoughts on this?

      I'm thinking with the current state of diplomatic crisis, it wouldn't make much difference one way or the other right now. Hunter would have a much bigger chance of influencing his dad/engaging in family corruption if a lot less attention were focused on Ukraine.

    2. Trollificus   4 years ago

      A fatral SWATting accident, probably.

  32. Sevo   4 years ago

    "...Still, some on the right are accusing President Joe Biden of being weak..."

    "Some" was elected to represent which district? Haven't heard of him or her.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      And, considering Sleepy Joe rolls out bed in the morning weak, 'Some' would not be wrong in saying he does anything weak.

      Moreover Reason, in their infinite stupidity, assumes weak invariably means militarily weak rather than creatively weak or generally weak in addressing the issue. You can be weak at establishing peace in the ME while firing lots of shots and strong at establishing peace in the ME without firing any.

    2. R Mac   4 years ago

      Yep. Do you know who I have heard of that’s rattling sabers more than anyone else? Corporate media.

      Maybe ENB missed the dozen or so questions about the topic during Biden’s press conference last week?

  33. mad.casual   4 years ago

    Creedence Clearwater Revival and The Police

    Bad Moon Rising and Don't Stand So Close To Me really are pretty essential to any COVID-19 playlist.

    1. Dillinger   4 years ago

      better run to the jungle.

      1. mad.casual   4 years ago

        Lockdowns seem to have caused some Dire Straits.

        1. Dillinger   4 years ago

          walking on the moon only way to be safe.

      2. Utkonos   4 years ago

        Jungle Love! Steve Miller—-HELLZ YEAH!!

    2. Claptrap   4 years ago

      I thought The Fragile perfectly encapsulated this whole stupid era, sonically and lyrically.

    3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      Dazed and Confused, Fauci's theme song

    4. CE   4 years ago

      CCR already predicted when the lockdowns would end, too:

      Someday Never Comes

      1. CE   4 years ago

        First thing I remember
        Was asking Papa, "Why?"
        For there were many things I didn't know
        And Daddy always smiled
        Took me by the hand
        Saying, "Someday you'll understand"
        Well, I'm here to tell you now each and every mother's son
        You better learn it fast, you better learn it young
        'Cause someday never comes

        1. Utkonos   4 years ago

          They reached for tomorrow
          But tomorrows, more of the same
          So they reached for tomorrow
          But tomorrow never came….THE MASK-ERADE’S FOREVER!!
          Berlin was prophetic too!

  34. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>With Russia potentially preparing to invade Ukraine

    what are they waiting for?

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      The bodes to clear out their assets

    2. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

      The middle of the olympics, just like when they invaded Georgia.

    3. A Thinking Mind   4 years ago

      If I were making plans based around periods when the US is most politically immobilized, I'd have launched my invasion in January of 2021. If I'm looking for my next window, it probably opens on November 8 of this year. But that's probably a very tiny factor in his invasion calculus.

    4. Utkonos   4 years ago

      A Friendship Pact with Germany?

  35. Dillinger   4 years ago

    working on double-barrel middle finger selfie for Infernal Revenue it would be easier with a third hand.

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      I'm a little confused on how they'll resolve identity theft issues (that's not my photo, go get your taxes from that guy!). It's not like we've got our SSNs tattooed on our forearms... yet.

      It will be funny when 70 or so percent of the tax base is generated by faces that match both Alfred E. Neuman and Pete Buttigieg equally.

  36. damikesc   4 years ago

    Nice. Went to Bojangles today and they no longer have set hours because, due to product shortages, they do not know how long their supply will hold out. I have little reason to suspect CFA to have a different situation.

    Even had to go to WalMart and they were out of damned Saltines. How the hell do you run out of Saltines when you normally carry 100 or so boxes of them at all time.

    Why CEO's of these companies aren't loudly bitching is lost on me.

    We are becoming a country of scarcity. And it is SOLELY the fault of the Democrats.

    1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      Yo, their chicken biscuit freakin' rock = Bojangles. Whenever I travel to the southeast, I hit 'em up (along with Biscuitville).

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        If you're coming by soon...good luck. The ones locally are open for 4 hours a day on weekend and weekday hours are just "?????"

        1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

          Next month I'll be traveling down....probably hit Bojangles right around Lynchburg for a breakfast fast food to go. Yeah, hitting Biscuitville early is a must while I am visiting.

    2. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

      My area is kinda hit or miss. Yesterday when I went grocery shopping there was beef but no chicken. Last week it was chicken but no beef. This week they had milk, last week they were out. Same with eggs. It's anybody's guess what sorts of produce they'll have on any given day.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Yeah, I'm not experiencing scarcity at the grocery story, but instead inconsistency.

      2. Trollificus   4 years ago

        That all sounds very...Soviet-ish, doesn't it?

  37. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    America is bombing a Syrian prison where hundreds of kids are housed.

    The taliban told Biden that there's a terrorist there.

  38. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 years ago

    "Legislation in Florida would ban schools from discussions of sexuality and gender identity."

    Gender studies departments hardest hit.

    1. damikesc   4 years ago

      I know when I want somebody to teach difficult to grasp topics, I want to have EDUCATION MAJORS do it.

      Fuck, football players at my alma mater laughed and how much of a cakewalk Education courses were.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        Same goes for journalism majors

  39. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

    What's with the delay on this reporting? The ID.ME was required to stop those child tax credit checks the moment they started. That was the hardest part of that deliberately difficult process.

    Am I the only person who carefully planned my withholding and stopped Biden from deliberately messing it up by giving the tax credit early?

    1. Ska   4 years ago

      I've made this observation to others. There are going to be a lot of unhappy taxpayers this year when they see their child tax credit wiped out because they got the cash already.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        Nice of them to do this without asking anybody if they wanted it.

  40. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

    " has sent two shipments of weapons to Ukraine. (Surely, none of those will get in the wrong hands…)."

    Well, they can pass a law banning guns. That should keep them out of the wrong hands, amiright?

  41. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

    Not good. When I accessed it a couple of years ago, the IRS website accomplished verification with a system that uses a database that knows about past addresses, loans, and credit cards. Looked like they might be contracting with a credit scoring-type company.

    When I tried to verify my identity, I was stymied by bugs, and gave up because what I was trying to do wasn’t critical.

  42. mad.casual   4 years ago

    Older women share tales of abortion in a pre–Roe v. Wade world. (Saturday marked the 49th anniversary of that decision.)

    On February 10, 1973, a gas explosion occurred inside a Texas Eastern Transmission Pipeline tank storing liquefied natural gas in the Bloomfield neighborhood of Staten Island, New York City, while 42 workers were cleaning the tank. The tank had supposedly been completely drained ten months earlier, but ignition occurred, causing a plume of combusting gas to rise. Two workers near the top felt the heat and rushed to the safety of scaffolding outside, while the other 40 workers died as the concrete cap on the tank rose 20 to 30 feet (6.1 to 9.1 m) in the air and then came crashing back down, crushing them to death.

    ...

    On March 2, 1973, the 26-story Skyline Plaza condominium building, under construction in Bailey's Crossroads in Fairfax County, Virginia, collapsed, killing 14 construction workers and injuring 35 others.[1][2] The building collapsed while shoring was being removed from newly poured concrete between the 22nd and 23rd floors of the building, and more concrete was being placed on the 24th floor. A climbing crane on the 24th floor fell to the ground in the collapse.[1][6][7] It was initially falsely assumed that the collapse was related to the fall of the crane.[7] The collapse left a gap 60 feet (18 m) wide in the building from top to bottom, leaving it looking like two separate buildings.[1][6]

    ...

    Lofthouse Colliery was in Lofthouse Gate, close to Outwood in the Stanley Urban District, where many of the colliers lived. The site is now in the City of Wakefield. (Lofthouse is further north in the City of Leeds). A new coalface was excavated too close to an abandoned flooded 19th-century mineshaft.[2] The sudden inrush of three million imperial gallons (14,000 m3) of water trapped seven mine workers 750 feet (230 m) below ground.[3][4] A six-day rescue operation succeeded in recovering only one body, that of Charles Cotton.[5] The location of the flooded shaft was known to National Coal Board (NCB) surveyors but they had not believed it to be as deep as the modern workings. British Geological Survey records indicated that the flooded shaft did descend to the same depth but the NCB neglected to check these records.[6]

    ...

    On 30 July 1973, 18 coal miners lost their lives and a further 11 were seriously injured when a descending cage carrying the men failed to slow down as it approached the bottom of the mine shaft and 18 miners were killed by the impact. The accident was caused by fracture of the brake-rod, when a slowly growing fatigue crack reached a critical size and the brake-rod parted.

    Following a thorough investigation it was found that metal fatigue failure occurred in the braking mechanism used to slow down the cage as it descended.

    And that doesn't even touch on the fact that we were already well north of 50K dead Americans in Vietnam, but, you know, thank God we freed women from suffering a dicey fate to themselves as the direct consequence of their own actions.

  43. CE   4 years ago

    70 percent of the U.S. music market is composed of old songs. And "the news gets worse: The new-music market is actually shrinking," notes The Atlantic.

    I would say that is good news, and a sign that people have better musical taste than expected.

  44. JeremyR   4 years ago

    New music is mostly terrible. About the only new music I listen to is synth wave, and that's deliberately trying to sound like 80s music.

    Also nu-disco, but again, that's trying to sound like disco.

    Electronic music used to be fairly innovate, but a big new genre coming out every decade, but it's pretty much run out of steam, EDM has taken over and it's bland and generic like the rest of modern music

  45. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    Great! The IRS is understaffed, and now they are giving the whole country a clear direction to go back to paper filing.

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Folks who aren’t tech savvy will have difficulty using the new system. Folks who are tech savvy know better than to use the new system.

  46. Roberta   4 years ago

    All the growth in the market is coming from old songs.

    Some of my favorite WFMU programs these days are their "Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed" (on their Sheena's Jungle Room stream), and the Old Codger, who plays 78s like they're going out of style.

    1. Trollificus   4 years ago

      My Dad had all these weird old records that I later discovered were of a genre called "Exotica". Not many people made it, and it consisted of small bands playing music from other countries, sometimes with native instruments, sometimes with exotic animal sounds in the background. I thought it was wonderfully cool. It was all from the 50s and 60s, is that the kind of stuff "Sheena" plays?

      Coz the show name fits about right.

  47. NJ2AZ   4 years ago

    this is why when i wanted to stop that bs advanced child tax credit nonsense, i ended up just increasing my withholdings with my employer instead because it was infinitely easier than actually cancelling those stupid 'payments'

  48. Colludo-bot5000   4 years ago

    If my arrest warrant is good enough for TSA to let me on an airplane, , it's good enough for the IRS too.

  49. Winston in Wonderland   4 years ago

    Trust these incompetents with safeguarding your identity. What could go wrong!

    True Story: Last year, I sent the IRS a check with my income tax return. The IRS deposited the check in early April.
    Yesterday (9 months later), I received a form CP80 informing me that although the IRS had received and deposited my check, they had not received my income tax return. The form CP80 directed me to call 800-829-0922. Of course, this number is too busy to accept calls.

    I can only imagine what they will do with your photograph and other identifying information.

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