Rand Paul: Fauci Is Not Beyond Reproach
"Any time you have government dogma saying they are science, or government bureaucrats who claim that 'this is the one and perfect truth'…we should run headlong away."

When people criticize Dr. Anthony Fauci, he says: "They're really criticizing science. Because I represent science."
Pretty arrogant.
I assume Fauci is a top-notch scientist. My brother worked with him at the National Institutes of Health and respected him.
But power tends to corrupt, and Fauci has been given a lot of power.
His department directed tax dollars to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to modify coronaviruses in bats.
When Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) asked Fauci about funding "gain of function" research, experiments that try to learn more about a disease by making it more contagious or deadly, Fauci denied it, saying, "Sen. Paul, you do not know what you are talking about!"
But it turns out that Paul did know what he was talking about.
The Wuhan experiments Fauci funded did not directly cause COVID-19. We know that because the molecular structure of the altered viruses is different.
But gain-of-function research is risky and deserves public discussion.
I like that Paul, unlike most of his colleagues, pushes for that discussion. In my new video, he says he does this because it's important "not only for assessing what happened and how this pandemic arose, but making sure it doesn't happen again."
Originally, "experts" claimed COVID-19 came from animals in the wet market in Wuhan. But now "experts" say that COVID-19 might have come from a lab.
"This has become so polarized that you're either completely in the bag with Fauci or completely opposed to him," says Paul. "There is no one wanting to actually get to the truth of where this came from or understand that this could happen again."
I ask Paul what he thought about Fauci's flat dismissal of anyone who criticizes him.
"That's an incredibly arrogant attitude," replied Paul. "Reminiscent of the medieval church [where] the government representative decided what was science….Any time you have government dogma saying they are science, or government bureaucrats who claim that 'this is the one and perfect truth'…we should run headlong away."
Today our government wants to mandate vaccines in private workplaces. The administration claims that's necessary because not enough people are vaccinated.
Paul calls that a "big lie."
"We are not stupid. The whole idea of collectivism is that people are too stupid to make their own decisions. Individuals will make rational decisions and do."
I push back. "Some people are stupid. Is there no point when the government does have a right to force a vaccination?"
"I'm not for ever forcing someone to take medical care," says Paul.
What about kids?
"The death rate among children is less than the seasonal flu," Paul points out. "We never mandated that kids get vaccinated for the seasonal flu, [even though they get] like 49 different vaccines. Can we not leave some choice for parents and kids?"
I hope so but push back again. "What if it's airborne Ebola? Does government ever have the right to say, you must take this medicine?"
"No," says Paul. "Once you let government in the door to make these decisions, they make onerous decisions."
They do.
I'm a libertarian. I want government out of my life.
But an epidemic is the rare exception where some government force may be appropriate. If a disease is vicious and contagious, and a medicine clearly reduces the spread, I want government to protect me from reckless people, like it protects me from murderers.
Not to say that America needs a vaccine mandate. There's been far too much government force during this pandemic already.
It's good to question the government's rules. I'm glad Paul does that.
But when it comes to epidemics, I won't say: never.
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Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe, Brandon.
Fauc Fucki
Another BLM rioter was sentenced to federal prison (i.e. two years) for throwing a firecracker at a Pittsburgh Police Officer (at a protest turned riot that was organized on May 30, 2020 by soon-to-be former Mayor Bill Peduto and was participated in by many left wing Democrat politicians in Allegheny County).
https://triblive.com/local/new-jersey-pleads-guilty-to-throwing-firecracker-at-pittsburgh-police-during-protest/
Yinzers better not throw firecrackers at police.
The gaslighting continues:
When they say 'firecracker' think 'civic-sized mortar shell for professional use only' and not 'bottle rockets I bought in a tent next to the highway for 4th of July'.
"Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan Lusty said that during Downtown protests on May 30, 2020, Lucia lit an explosive device — which the defense characterized as a firecracker — and threw it at a group of about a dozen police officers. It landed on the vest of one of those officers, and another grabbed it and threw it about 15 feet away, where it exploded.
Lusty said an officer sustained a concussion from the blast."
Both the US Attorney and the defense could be right if it was an M-80 which is a really big firecracker.
Do M-80s cause concussions from 15 feet away? I don't remember that side effect from my childhood.
Lies. The commenters here have made it very clear that every single peaceful tourist on Jan 6 is prison while not a single BLM rioter ever faced charges.
Yeah, one BLM idiot getting sentenced REALLY makes up for the huge imbalance. You’re a drunken idiot.
Crawl back into your bottle.
You claim you have everyone on mute. Then you completely misrepresent their arguments. That is a special form of trolling assface.
I will: never!
If an epidemic is so bad that it kills 99% of the people, then the non-vax will die out of proportion, and that is their choice. It doesn't make them more dangerous to the vax, if the vaccine is a real vaccine. And if the vax can still get the disease from the non-vax, then it's not a real vaccine.
"And if the vax can still get the disease from the non-vax, then it's not a real vaccine."
Not so. A vaccine can be a vaccine and not be 100% effective.
First of all, no vaccine is going to magically make someone who is elderly or has a weak immune system have the strong immune system of a strong, healthy younger person. Vaccines stimulate a person's immune system, but in the end it is still the individual's immune system that is producing the antibodies, T-cells, etc.
So a vaxxed person can catch it from another vaxxed person.
Because if something does not work perfectly, that must mean it does not work at all and is not worth pursuing, or trying to improve. It is all one giant hoax, right? A massive conspiracy?
Let me guess. You know my schedule and start posting when I'm done. Is that how it works?
I thought I was muted?
I contacted Reason support. Again. Hopefully they'll put a stop to this. Again.
Anyone who still thinks I'm lying, mute sarcasmic who posted at 4:20. This comment will not be muted. Unmute that guy and mute me. That comment will not be muted. Why? Different accounts.
How many times do I have to go through this? Highlight the display name and you will see the sarcasmic that posted at 4:37 is using a fake name.
The game never gets old, does it?
OK, Jackson, let me put it in simple words.
If a disease is so deadly that it kills even the vaccinated at rates "requiring" forced vaccinations, then it isn't a vaccine deserving of the appelation "vaccine".
Fuck off with your Faucience.
This just tells me your mind isn’t capable of disentangling, and separately discussing, the merits of the vaccines vs the imposition of mandates.
And that you go to insults when contradicted because your position is weak.
And that you are only capable of black and white thinking.
It's politics. If you accept the vaccine as effective then you're a leftist. Period. That means that Alphabetroll has no choice but to believe the vaccine does nothing at all. Because if he accepted it as effective then he'd be agreeing with people he hates.
Viewing the world through a lens of partisan politics is one of ten stupidest things a person can do.
No shit. The year I actually voted for one of the Majors for president (I still shudder when I think about it) I was all caught up the talk radio I listened to on my long commute. To the point where I stupidly ended some friendships over politics.
Can you imagine Ken having any friends who are left of Trump? I bet he shuns family that isn't Republican.
After all, progressives are vermin. The worst thing in the world. And they think the vaccine is effective. That means the vaccine is shit.
You’re just angry because Ken won’t plow your ass.
^^^
Do you retards ever get tired of lying? For fucks sake, both of you posted the Trump took a booster news.
Yet you fuckheads can't separate anti mandate from anti vaccine.
Just two trolling retards.
Funny watching you "guess" as to what I said, since you claim to have muted me, and faux-react to what you think I might have said.
Truth be told, that's the same behavior from before you were supposed to have been muted.
Heh. Right you are. His comments are disassociated from even the other comments.
Only someone who believes in black and white thinking would accuse someone else of it as an insult. See if you can disentangle that.
>>the merits of the vaccines
well ... for starters they don't vaccinate you against anything
They stimulate the immune system and help the body to fight off infection. Not only that, but unlike the flu vaccine that is only effective against the three variants that they guess will be prevalent, these COVID vaccines are effective against all variants so far. So unlike flu, they don't need to develop a new vaccine and deliver a new shot for each variant. It's pretty amazing, actually.
I really don't understand how anyone can't see that unless they judge everything through a partisan lens.
the list of public figures alone who are "fully vaccinated" *and* covid+ is long and distinguished.
And....? People who are vaccinated are less likely to get sick, and if they do it's generally mild. Vaccinated people dying makes the news because it's rare.
>>People who are vaccinated are less likely to get sick
"less likely" is not a measurement. if "vaccinated" people can still get sick they are not vaccinated. it's pretty simple
Because a vaccine has to be perfect? No vaccine in the history of medical science has ever been perfect.
I don't remember ever catching measles or smallpox or all those other diseases I was vaccinated against. Must be the new improved vaccines which don't work as well.
“I don't remember ever catching measles or smallpox or all those other diseases I was vaccinated against.”
That’s what you are going by? Whether you, personally, came down with any of those diseases after being vaccinated as a kid?
Why is it that last year, when there was no vaccine, there were fewer deaths than the last 10 months, when a vaccine has been available? (webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total, 385,000 vs 386,000, November 2021)
Last year, the Covid 19 virus (Xi) should have been the most dangerous. Hence more deaths should have occurred from it.
Last year, when the virus went thru an unprotected populace, those most vulnerable, weak and susceptible, those most easily killed by a virus should have been disproportionately killed by said virus, leaving far fewer of the demographic to die this year.
Last year, when no one had the vaccine, deaths should have been so catastrophic that the vulnerable pools of people were eliminated.
But the last 10 months have saw MORE deaths! This is a non sequitur! A large portion of the population has been fully vaccinated! (usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/) Those who are not vaccinated should be dying at a less or equal rate to the deaths last year (Fauci, Delta variant more contagious but less lethal, interviews 4Jul21). But deaths are increasing, even amongst the vaccinated which has to be incorrect because the vaccine is safe and effective, right? How is it possible to have MORE people dying with the vaccine that without it, at a faster rate? Are we being fed (gasp) misinformation?!?! No, No, NO! Fact checkers nationwide assure us that they are ensuring that only narrative facts are being published! HOW CAN MORE PEOPLE BE DYING OF THE DREADED DISEASE IF THERE IS A SAFE EFFECTIVE VACCINE?? Unless...we being lied to? (NOOOOOOOOooooooooo......sob)
And because I knew you would ask, the cites are all within the post. So now you will ignore the post as though you never saw it.
Good for Paul. Principles don't mean anything if there's always some exception to them. The principle is that people will either make the best choices for themselves, or else they will suffer. There's no need to socially engineer this, it will happen on its own. It's the foundational principle of the free market.
What if the suffering spreads beyond those making the choices?
What if a serial killer harms others? Do you want to lock down the entire world because of serial killers? Are you a not-so-closeted hoplophobe?
They are incapable of comprehending that harms and externalities extend beyond their immediate bubble of existence. That explains most rightwing politics, in a nutshell.
The fuck? This wasn't me.
Tulpa is up to his old tricks again, as if anyone is falling for it.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Mute the guy who posted at 4:21. This post will not be muted, while 4:21 and 4:37 will.
This is absurd. Tulpa is just trying to get everyone to mute me. I am hoping moderators will take care of this problem soon enough.
I'm not hoping. I contacted support.
Mute the sarcasmic that posted above this one and you will see that I am not muted.
Why? Because the above poster is a fake account.
This is pretty funny.
If you think spoofing other people’s handles is funny, you are a total asshole.
I’ll take you at your word on that. As you are a total asshole.
Mike, you spoofed me dimbass. And others.
You bitching about being muted is hilarious.
You wish to trade freedom kf others for an appearance of safety for yourself. This is why you are an authoritarian leftist.
"That's an incredibly arrogant attitude," replied Paul. "Reminiscent of the medieval church [where] the government representative decided what was science"
And reminiscent of the Soviet Union, from the 1920s to 1960s.
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR's Academy of Sciences, and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.
Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned. Several were sentenced to death as enemies of the state, including the botanist Nikolai Vavilov. Lysenko's actions and practices contributed to the famines that killed millions of Soviet people; the adoption of his methods from 1958 in the People's Republic of China had similarly calamitous results, culminating in the Great Chinese Famine of 1959 to 1962.
Absolutely. Fauci is Joey's Lysenko. A disgrace to America and humanity.
Lysenkoism was really just a case of Marxist theory applied to biology, so sometimes I wonder why Lysenko gets singled out when he was a small part of a much bigger blob. Marxists were always doing the same thing with economics, and they still are today. Marxist "economists" tell us that more government spending will ease inflation, the idea being that that the extra money in the right hands will "unlock" latent productivity. The explanation is something like: "Linda's productivity will explode once she is free of the shackles of childcare". If they are so sure of this then why don't they give Linda a loan with their own money?
On some level Marxists know its bullshit. They always do or say things that indicate this.
Rut ro. The stick-up-the-ass principled libertarians now have no choice but to write off Stossel as a progressive.
He used to be on, like, ABC or something. Proof he is owned by the progressives.
He admits that he used to agree with the left. As Ken says, once a horrible progressive always a horrible progressive. Stossel has been lying to us for decades.
Nope. S tossed is honest about his past and political evolution. He’s not a lying, evil shitsack who claims desperately to be a libertarian. All the while being a democrat thrall.
When you two get done playing with each other ... who am I kidding! You two will never give up such simple joys.
Envious, you are.
Stossel is still one of the most libertarian writers/personalities out there. He’s just wrong about mandates from a pure liberty viewpoint.
To be clear: if we encountered an Ebola virus that spread like this, people would be selling their kids to get a shot. No force necessary.
You have to wonder. There are 800,000 Americans dead. What's the body count that we have to reach before the market mechanism kicks in for a free vaccine?
We don't show the COVID dying on TV very much. There are camera crews in hospitals these days. The disease and its effects can be completely sanitized for you up until the day you go into the hospital, at which point you many not make it out to tell people about your change of perspective.
In two years, COVID deaths have surpassed total AIDS deaths in the entire history of AIDS, but people were afraid of toilet seats and treated gay men as lepers for decades.
I just wonder what you idiots would do if it were Ebola.
Most people would probably hope you got it.
Trump rallies with all the fat rednecks bleeding their organs out of every orifice would look even more like a zombie movie than they do now.
“What’s the body count…..” from Dave chappelles comedy, tony?
You shit your pants about everything. You think everyone else hates each other as much as you hate them.
You are to be pitied.
There probably will be a body count from Dave Chappelle, because at this moment I believe that the first people the Trump Reich will send to death camps will be the trans people. They will probably pick a new scary minority scapegoat at some point. The disabled? Midgets?
Nevertheless I didn't take a position that Dave Chappelle's special should be canceled or anything. He was well within the bounds of free speech, and Netflix gets to make its own business decisions. Chappelle won't be taken seriously anymore by his intelligent fans, but there's probably more money in the Joe Rogan meathead crowd anyway.
if we send all the midgets to camp, who the hell are we gonna toss?
As a gay Black man and proud conservative I’m happy to balance the opinions of a man who has worked 40 years on infectious disease and counter all that “experience” with the opinions of an ophthalmologist who is now a libertarian and also pro-life politician.
When I first heard about Omicron I went on Twitter and all the posts were from epidemiologists, medical professionals and infectious disease experts. Now, it’s full of proud gay black conservatives (like me), supplement sellers, yoga teachers and people that want to advance the American agenda by finally revealing how many 8 year olds were sacrificed in the harvesting of adrenochrome to keep Hillary Clinton from her Parkinson’s Disease. America is simply the greatest country that has ever existed… like forever.
I appreciate the scattershooting. funny.
If there’s one thing I know, it’s that there is a lot to celebrate during the Great Awakening. But, on the other hand, I disagree with your assessment that something could actually be funny in Biden’s post-apocalyptic communist Amerikkka. That’s just ridiculous.
thinking about a crusade to find you a chick to sample. you sounded curious the other day about Melania T
"The Wuhan experiments Fauci funded did not directly cause COVID-19. We know that because the molecular structure of the altered viruses is different."
This is highly debatable, in my humble opinion. If I give a company, say $1M, to conduct experiments that were already 100% funded, they can then take $1M from those experiments, replacing them with the newly acquired funds, and then using the funds that I just moved from original experiments, fund other research like coronavirus gain-of-function research. It is a game of semantics. If we gave a single dollar to the Wuhan lab, that enabled gain-of-function research...PERIOD.
The word you're looking for is fungible.
It's also a timeline game. The reality is the molecular structure of the viruses altered before 2016 is different. It seems the data on viruses they fucked with after the end of 2016 has been involved in an unfortunate boating accident.
'Originally, "experts" claimed COVID-19 came from animals in the wet market in Wuhan.' The documents from WIV were available in early 2020, anybody who bought into the wet market theory without considering the lab in close proximity is not too bright. But no doubt great at never asking questions that may run counter-narrative and believing that the science is settled.
See? this is exactly what I am saying about the inclusivity about the conservative agenda. I mean, one could actually listen to people that know something about DNA sequencing that actually do things like run PCR machines or you can listen to the local yoga teacher, who will tell you that Covid is caused by your cosmic vibrations and misaligned chakras. Much more diversity!
It is also known that China has refused to hand over records of all of the sequenced genes that were being experimented on in the WIV.
Chinese researchers deleted some of them from the N.C.B.I. database. Reuploaded in Aug '21, but the explanation given for why they were deleted in the first place made no sense.
It cannot be definitely stated that the experiments Fauci funded did not directly cause C-19.
Remember when the people gave the federal government permission to steal you money and send it to china for disease research...
Yeah; me neither
F'en illegal Nazi's.
I do remember when people that committed crimes against humanity were prosecuted.
Fauci isn't a scientist. He's a bureaucrat with science credentials.
Sorry, Stossel, but if you give government the power to decide what vaccines you must take, or what drugs you cannot take, or what you can charge customers, or who you can or cannot hire, or whether you have the right to bear arms in self defense, you have surrendered your freedom. Do you really want a Dr. Fauci - or a Dr. Mengele - in charge of mandatory health regulations?
Because you are born a vector for infectious diseases the Government must own your ass. It's like the concept of Original Sin - in this case everyone is guilty by mere existence and must pay the price for it.
You wouldn't want to live in a society without rules, and you expect everyone else to follow the rules that benefit you.
Help me understand this WorldNetDaily-originated Fauci conspiracy theory from a moral philosophy perspective.
Clearly, it's absurd to think Fauci deliberately created a virus to release on the world. He's not Dr. Evil. Maybe the Chinese government. I wouldn't put it past them.
So is it that through Fauci's advocacy of GOF engineering, and potential use of it in Wuhan (depending on your definition), that he's indirectly and accidentally responsible for the creation of the virus?
Keep in mind, none of these are facts.
If he's accidentally responsible for a pandemic, now what? Put him in jail? Will that fix everything?
Wouldn't it be rather ironic to argue that Fauci is responsible for accidentally exposing people to a virus, but also: "Git yer government hands off my immune system! Freedumb to spread disease is the civil rights of our time!"
Fauci belongs in jail.
Why are you defending someone who allowed so many people to die of aids?
Okay, but how does that help me? Will putting Fauci in jail end the pandemic?
Or are you just regurgitating mindless slogans you heard during one of your many 96-hour FOX News binges and don't actually think about much of anything at all?
Wow. Punishing people after the fact is... useless because the deed is already done.
Nobody's described a crime yet.
Mr Stossel, You say you want the government ot protect you - listen to yourself, the hair should stand up on the back of your neck if think about what you are saying. The government should rightly be involved in a system of defense from foreign invaders but it is you who must accept responsibility for protecting yourself in the day-to-day world. Any degree of dependence on the government for your personal safety is a recipe for disaster - it is far more likely that you will need protection FROM the bloated over-reaching aspirations of government. One-size fits all mandates decreed from some highly politicized central authority are rarely the answer to any problem.
Government shouldn't do anything but shoot foreigners.
Single-issue voter?
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The decision of what to put (or not put) into your own personal body should always be a personal decision.
Personally I believe that forcing a person to put something into their personal body is more egregious than restricting what a person can put into their personal body.
Neither should be acceptable. If you believe that a substance is either good or bad, then you should make your case in attempt to persuade the person of the merits of your claim.
If the person makes a personal decision to not be swayed by your argument, then you should drop it. You should not denigrate the person because you have differing opinions and you absolutely should not attempt to force the person to submit to your authoritarian tyranny.
The funny thing is the "Golden Rule" applies once again. Don't do stuff that you would not want people to do to you.
To people demanding that people be forcibly vaccinated either by violence or passive aggressive vaccine mandates. Suppose that some people believed that you should be forcibly injected with live virus so you developed immunity by actually contracting Covid-19? Would you want to be injected? Now suppose hat the media and public officials constantly touted and promoted this, would it make a difference if the majority of people agreed?
The answer is to never, ever force people to take a substance against their will. Your failure to persuade should not constitute a right to commit violence against another.
Let's Go Brandon and Down with Faucism
This didn't get a mention?
"Fauci calls on Fox News to fire host who urged 'kill shot' in 'ambush' interviews"
[...]
"Fox News host Jesse Watters is facing blowback for recent remarks he made at a conservative political conference, where he used violent rhetoric to explain how citizen journalists should confront Dr. Anthony Fauci with questions in the hopes of going viral.
Speaking at Turning Point USA's Americafest over the weekend, Watters urged young conservatives to "ambush" the nation's top infectious disease expert and "go in for the kill shot." He walked them through how to approach Fauci and how to phrase their questions, focusing on a conspiracy theory about the origins of the coronavirus pandemic...'
https://www.wfdd.org/story/fauci-calls-fox-news-fire-host-who-urged-kill-shot-ambush-interviews
Lie.
No 'conspiracy theory' involved; the host was suggesting people ask specifically why Fauci chose to use taxpayer dollars to fund dangerous research at a lab already noted as having a poor safety record.
IOWs, Fauci is upset that someone would suggest he fucked up.
How do we know, "The Wuhan experiments Fauci funded did not directly cause COVID-19. We know that because the molecular structure of the altered viruses is different," is true? Do we have a complete record of what Coronavirus were manipulated in that lab? Have they made the lab notebooks public? The insertion of a Furin cleavage site with arginines encoded by nucleotides differently from the others in the virus seems pretty suspicious.
Fauci has served every president since Ronald Reagan, he has studied viruses for 50 years. Maybe Paul was correct on some points but to the average American, shouldn’t Fauci be analyzed by another virus expert also with 50 years experience?
It’s a fact that Ronald Reagan likely wouldn’t have supported the younger Bush or Trump. Maybe the “Party of Abraham Lincoln” is the real problem? Reagan wanted torturers indicted and prosecuted by the U.S. Department of Justice - Reagan would have prosecuted the Bush DOJ attorneys that committed legal malpractice green-lighting torture. Reagan also was more libertarian than most 21st Century Republicans. This was the administration that hired Fauci.
They are incapable of comprehending that harms and externalities extend beyond their immediate bubble of existence. slope game 3d free
I can't be arsed enough to give a fuck who's who, so I'll just treat both as indistinguishable from the other.
They are in love.
That must be the fake sarc. The real sarc only discusses ideas.