Will America's Military Reckon with the Reckless Murders Perpetuated by Its Drone Wars?
A new, heavily investigated report shows a Pentagon uninterested in correcting its deadly errors.

Throughout America's War on Terror, whistleblowers have been warning that drone strikes have frequently killed people who were neither terrorists nor insurgents, just innocent civilians trying to survive in a war zone.
Over the weekend, in a detailed, heavily reported two-part story, The New York Times documented how Washington's "precision drone strikes" have been anything but precise. Not only did they repeatedly kill innocents, including children, but more often than not the military failed to examine adequately why these mistakes were made, failed to correct its procedures, and failed to hold anybody accountable.
When an ill-advised August drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan, killed aid worker Zamari Ahmadi and nine of members of his family (including seven children), military officials first insisted the strike had hit terrorists plotting to attack the airport as American troops were leaving the country. Only after the media began investigating the strike did the truth came out. Yet last week, the Pentagon announced that no troops involved in the misbegotten strike would be disciplined. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said, "What we saw here was a breakdown in process, and execution in procedural events, not the result of negligence, not the result of misconduct, not the result of poor leadership."
An alternative way to read that quote, based on the massive Times report from the weekend, is that what happened to Ahmadi and his family was an example of how America's drone program actually works. It has not, in fact, operated as a tool to surgically take out ISIS terrorist leaders and destroy individual cells, as Americans have been told again and again. The military will admit to killing at least 1,300 civilians in these strikes. That's just the number of civilians documented in Pentagon reports the Times analyzed. The actual (uncertain) number of civilian deaths due to drone strikes is much higher—between 22,000 and 48,000.
Don't expect accurate accounting from the government. The military has regularly failed even to analyze fully what happened in most of its mistaken strikes. Pentagon's records calculate that in only 4 percent of cases of civilian deaths did misidentification of targets play a role. But when the Times went to the locations of these strikes and investigated, the paper found that misidentification of targets accounted for nearly a third of civilian deaths and injuries.
In one 2016 strike in Syria, the Pentagon claimed to have bombed a staging area and trucks being used by the Islamic State and to have killed 85 militants. There were also immediate reports of civilian deaths, and the Pentagon acknowledged that 24 civilians "intermixed with the fighters" may have been killed. But when the Times went to the village for a thorough accounting, it found that the strike had probably killed more than 120 civilians—and may have killed absolutely zero ISIS soldiers.
As with the more recent cast in Kabul, the military's own analysis of the strike found that there was no evidence of wrongdoing. The military didn't even arrange for condolence payments for victims.
A small but shocking detail is buried deep in the Times report: When reviewing the legitimacy of its strikes, the military does not even send anybody in person to investigate what happened. The Times reports, "Of the 1,311 assessments from the Pentagon, in only one did investigators visit the site of a strike. In only two did they interview witnesses or survivors."
Instead, the same type of distant surveillance video that was used to justify mistaken drone strikes was often used to examine the consequences. Often there was no footage to review, which led the Pentagon to reject allegations that civilians were killed because nobody in their own operation had evidence otherwise.
So New York Times journalists spent years doing the investigative work that the Pentagon failed to do. This story focuses entirely on drone strike reports in Iraq and Syria, based on what they've been able to force into the public eye from Freedom of Information Act requests and lawsuits. The paper has a separate lawsuit trying to wrest out reports about drone strikes in Afghanistan.
Right now, whistleblower Daniel Hale is in federal prison in Illinois, sentenced to 45 months for leaking some documentation to journalists that shows these very problems with how U.S. drone strikes operate. To judge from this Times report, Hale's leaks were just the tip of the iceberg. The Times shows that time and time again, these drone strikes not only kill innocents but fail to take out the insurgents being targeted. Even under the cruel calculus that innocents may end up as collateral damage, this is a failure: Sometimes those innocents were the only people killed or injured.
In a follow-up story, journalist Azmat Khan wrote a first-person account of what it was like investigating these strikes on the ground, reading these Pentagon reports, and then reconciling them with what actually occurred. She ends her piece going over a strike in West Mosul, Iraq, that took place in 2017. The military believed a location—a home—was being used solely by Islamic State militants. The government planned a strike, but then military observers noticed via surveillance three children playing on the roof.
Nevertheless, they military believed that ISIS was manufacturing weapons there. Even though children had been seen there, the strike was authorized due to the "military advantage" of taking out an ISIS location. The Pentagon then reported that three ISIS members were killed by the strike. But ISIS-linked media reported that, in fact, they had killed 11 civilians.
Khan went to the site of the strike in June and talked to people who lived there. They told her 11 members of a family had been killed. She tracked down witnesses and the sole survivor. They all said the family had nothing to do with ISIS. There was an ISIS bunk house across the street they said, but it had been vacated before the strike (and was not damaged by it).
The sister of one of the victims told Khan that she thought there must have been some mistake: They must have seen an ISIS truck nearby or meant to target something else and hit them by accident. Khan told her that the military intelligence officials actually knew about the children before ordering the strike. They had concluded the deaths were acceptable because they'd gain an advantage over ISIS by destroying a weapons facility. But there was no weapons facility.
"But they didn't gain any advantage," the sister told Khan. "The only thing they did is they killed the children."
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How long before the usuals shit on the story and the author because New York Times?
Here, I'll shit on the New York Times. Why anyone would trust a damn thing they write, when they write so much garbage and intentionally lie, coverup, and obfuscate, is beyond me.
There's a pretty simple rule. If you find mistakes and lies in a subject you know something about, in an outfit which brags about its coverage and accuracy, then you are a damned fool if you think they do any better in subjects you don't know much about.
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The New York Times is Left-Center biased based on word and story selection that moderately favors the left but is HIGHLY factual and considered one of the most reliable sources for news information due to proper sourcing and well-respected journalists/editors. The failed fact checks that occurred were on Op-Ed’s and not straight news reporting.
Save the bullshit apologia for lefties who care. The NYT has got some of the least factual news articles in he business, and their selection bias means they leave out news stories which would require too much lying to pass off as "both sides".
Just for curiosity's sake, could you write out a transcription of your name in regular Latin script? I suppose it is in a foreign alphabet, which my browser shows as random noise.
Factual huh? I mean from 2017 here are some of their biggest "facts"
https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/08/10/heres-a-list-of-the-5-biggest-ny-times-screw-ups-this-year/
Here is a wiki of problems that even a leftist slant can't hide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_The_New_York_Times
I can keep going on and on and on. Factual isn't the word I would use with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair
You've gone so far left you now defend the NYT despite their history of lies and wrong reporting?
Saying a newspaper is utterly garbage doesn't mean they are wrong 100% of the time dumbass.
But keep proving you aren't a lefty by defending the fucking NYT
Well, why not? That does stick out as an obvious weak point, doesn't it?
How about because they don’t even say which president did the droning?
So pathetic sarc.
All of them and none of them. They all just go along with whatever the military and spook agencies are telling them.
I'm surprised the Pentagon shows no interest in confessing and correcting its mistakes when it's part of a government that shows no interest in confessing and correcting its mistakes. I mean, if the government was interested in confessing and correcting its mistakes, the Janet Reno Memorial Woodchipper would be working around the clock.
10000000000000000000% right.
There are a lot of dead bodies with Democrats around.
"a government that shows no interest in confessing and correcting its mistakes."
Describes every government ever in the history of the universe.
You can be sure that the Pentagon will get to the bottom of this if the responsible parties are E-3 or below.
"What we saw here was a breakdown in process, and execution in procedural events, not the result of negligence, not the result of misconduct, not the result of poor leadership."
A "breakdown in process and execution" is almost always tied back to poor leadership.
I just figured that they were talking about the information getting out, not the drone strikes themselves.
At some point the service drone discharged.
Damned straight. Shitty leaders, as often as not, and too often being pushed by the revered civilian politicians who are supposedly so great at providing oversight. Witness the Kabul killing of the family with fuel and water bottles that were interpreted or misinterpreted/misrepresented as explosives. Military leadership pushed into providing a 'win' for team biden.
https://ssl.armywarcollege.edu/dclm/pubs/Army%20paradox_Culture%20of%20Lying%20(Allen,%20Army%20Times,%202%20Mar%202015)%20cropped.pdf
This article on a culture of lying in the Army was published in 2015, and not much has changed. Officers and some senior NCOs have become a political-managerial class, and their jobs are no longer about leadership, but about position and getting the next promotion.
While I agree with your statement on shitty leadership, I doubt there was much arm-twisting or pressure that needed to be applied in order to get some officer somewhere to sign off on this strike. I'm sure there was awareness that the intel wasn't good, but political necessity made that unimportant. Just look at the reporting on Afghan officers sodomizing little boys on US bases. It was an open secret, but political necessity required that it be ignored in the interest of "the mission." Military leadership trade their honor and integrity for OER bullets on a daily basis.
"I doubt there was much arm-twisting or pressure that needed to be applied in order to get some officer somewhere to sign off on this strike."
I think you have that backwards. The idea for the strikes came from the highest levels. This wasn't something proposed by the lower ranks and looking for an officer to sign off on it.
Yes, the strike in Kabul was clearly a "we have to be seen doing something" strike. There was pressure from the top down to "do something". Company grade officers, NCOs, and enlisted troops know the deal; shut up and color.
I'm sure they will continue reckon shit with drones.
The Drone Rangers sidekick is in the White House.
THEY murdered women and children with drone strikes.
THEY. PLURAL.
Biden the Molester was part of it.
There
You
Go....coverup.
Trivia Time: Who said:
" Obama is a bigger WAR CRIMINAL than Bush ever was."
????
No points for Googleing it.
Fuck Joe Biden
More Nobel peace prizes!
Psaki psays pstop droning on about Biden’s war crime drone strike murders.
Only those on the losing side are war criminals and pay for their crimes. The US better not lose or a lot of top military brass will be paying.
The headline misspells "perpetrated".
Murder is an intentional termination of life without judicial or military authorization.
It just may be possible that they use remote surveillance to asses the strikes because they are miles into hostile territory.
The New York Times can't 'document' anything. They are too busy with propaganda.
Just my random thoughts - - - - - -
Drone strikes, or at least the manner we conduct them, have a demonstrated history of WAY too many mistakes. This is far from the first instance of dead kids due to uncertain surveillance and intel. There is very obviously a problem somewhere in the targeting process which needs to be assessed and corrected, and if it can't be, the regular and ongoing use of drones outside of active combat operations needs to be assessed.
In combat, shit happens and people die that you didn't intend to kill, and that's an ugly and unchangeable fact of war. All the smart tech in the world won't eliminate collateral damage or mistakes. But when you have a system that routinely produces errors like this, at some point you have to ask yourself whether you should still be using the system.
Right. A government can never use its military to perpetrate unjustified murder.
Saying judicial authorization makes any killing OK is just dressing up “my country right or wrong” in judicial robes.
It must be nice to not be held by any principles.
Shackford seems pretty uninterested in that part of the process that requires POTUS to authorize the drone strike. I agree, artillery, cruise missile, 'precision' bombing or drone 'diplomacy is a shitty way to go about dealing with foreign policy. And the armed services are not blameless. But the armed services do not act independently. There are fuckwits holding the leash.
By any reasonable measure the US drone program is a war crime/crime against humanity. If Joe Jones runs somebody over with his car he might be able to call it an accident. If he runs somebody over with his car every day for 15 years it can be called many things but accident is not one of them.
In pursuing just a single target, Ayman al-Zawahiri, numerous drone strikes killed over 70 children and many more adult civilians. Of course they never got Zawahiri.
So it comes down to, who do you believe? The Pentagon or Times?
Betteridge's Law of Headlines in full effect here.
So let's say it's true. Then is the problem at the top the same as with the police? And then is it that they're sadists who see an opportunity to inflict pain without being hurt themselves? Or do they just think the American people will credit them with killing some foreigners, and don't much care whom?
When a person gets in the way of a government action, that person has sinned. So a bad outcome for the person is not a concern.
Some of the public goes along with this. As long as their sportsball team is on tv. Or talent show. Or whatever floats their boat.
“Us” versus “Them” is a human condition. And gets exploited. So when (not if) there is collateral damage, it is communicated as a “them.” Tribalism.
The only consequences for a drone strike murder are optics. Political backlash. And those aren’t high outside of doves and libertarians.