The ACLU's Push To 'Cancel' Student Debt Shows How Far It Has Strayed From Defending Civil Liberties
The organization's embrace of a wide-ranging progressive agenda undermines its reason for existing.

Is forgiving student debt, 92 percent of which is held by the federal government, a good idea? Although I don't think that policy would be fair or sensible, I recognize that reasonable people of good faith disagree. But one thing is beyond serious dispute: The Constitution does not guarantee a right to a debt-free college education. To put it another way, continuing to collect payments on student loans violates no one's civil liberties.
So why is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which ostensibly exists to defend constitutional rights, collecting signatures for a petition urging the Biden administration to "cancel up to $50,000 in student debt per borrower by the end of 2021"? This initiative is yet another sign that the venerable organization has strayed so far from its historic mission that it is becoming indistinguishable from myriad progressive advocacy groups. That's a shame, since a consistent defense of civil liberties is the ACLU's raison d'être and the singular reason why its work deserves wide support.
The ACLU argues that "student debt is a racial justice issue," because it is "a crushing burden that falls heaviest on Black communities, and especially onto Black women." By this logic, any problem that disproportionately affects a particular racial group is likewise a racial justice issue and therefore, by the ACLU's reckoning, a civil liberties issue.
White people, for example, are much more likely to commit suicide than black people, Latinos, or Asian Americans (although Native Americans are the group with the highest suicide rate). Non-Hispanic white people also have a higher rate of opioid-related deaths than Latinos or African Americans.
The ACLU presumably would argue that suicide and opioid-related deaths are not racial justice issues because they do not reflect a history of oppression and discrimination. "Centuries of structural inequities and racism have created large barriers in access to education for Black communities," it says. "For instance, Black families have far less generational wealth to draw on to pay for college than white families—and as a result, are more likely to take on student loans and struggle with repayment, which is exacerbated by job discrimination and pay disparities." According to the ACLU, the disparate impact of student debt is "a direct result of systemic racism."
That explanation of the ACLU's stance on student loans conflates state action with private action, assumes that "pay disparities" result from "job discrimination," and posits that the lingering effects of state-supported racism explain most, if not all, educational and economic disparities between black people and white people. These are all highly contentious issues on which Americans of different ideologies and political preferences strongly disagree. While an organization that consistently defends civil liberties cannot avoid controversy, opening this can of worms detracts from that central goal, needlessly alienating potential allies.
If "racial justice" means equal treatment under the law, it is clearly part of the ACLU's historic mission. But if racial justice encompasses any outcome that allegedly results from "systemic racism," it entangles the ACLU in all sorts of public policy controversies that have nothing to do with civil liberties, including attempts to reduce racial disparities through welfare programs, education spending, job training, affirmative action, public housing, tax credits, and state-subsidized health care.
The organization is already descending this slippery slope. Its "racial justice" page highlights three facts "you need to know":
1. "Black students are suspended and expelled from school three times more often than white students are."
2. "The median wealth of white households is 20 times that of black households and 18 times that of Latino households."
3. "Seven in ten blacks said they are treated less fairly than whites are in their dealings with police."
One of these things is not like the others. While both policing and public schools' disciplinary practices raise legitimate civil liberties concerns, that is not true of the wealth disparity that the ACLU thinks the government should address in the name of racial justice.
To give you a sense of how far afield that cause takes the ACLU from the defense of constitutional rights, the organization argues that "broadband access for all" is a racial justice issue because "people without broadband access are disproportionately Black, Latinx, Indigenous, rural, or low-income." The organization therefore supports the Accessible, Affordable Internet for All Act, which would "invest $94 billion to build high-speed broadband infrastructure in underserved communities and ensure that the resulting internet service is affordable."
The ACLU describes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which it urged the Supreme Court to uphold, as "a great civil rights law" because it "bars certain forms of discrimination," "begins to address effects of longstanding discrimination," and "enables the freedoms other civil rights laws aim to protect." The ACLU argues that "it is not possible to fully participate in the economic, social, and civic life of our nation without stable health coverage."
That position conflates negative rights, such as the right to express your opinions without being punished by the government or the right to be protected from unreasonable searches and seizures, with positive rights—in this case, the purported right to government-subsidized health care. That conflation opens the door to demanding all sorts of taxpayer-funded subsidies as essential to the exercise of civil liberties. If "stable health care" is a prerequisite for fully participating in "the economic, social, and civic life of our nation," so is stable housing, stable employment, and a stable supply of food, clothing, and transportation. Such reasoning expands the ACLU's mission to include pretty much any domestic policy issue.
The ACLU's promotion of a broad progressive agenda is not just a divisive distraction. It is an invitation to expanded government power that undermines individual freedom. In defending the Affordable Care Act's requirement that every American obtain government-approved health coverage, for example, the ACLU counterintuitively argued that the mandate protected "personal liberty."
Or consider gun control. It is bad enough that the ACLU has no interest in defending the constitutional right to armed self-defense, which it says does not exist. It is worse that the organization supports New York's virtual ban on carrying firearms for self-defense, arguing that "restrictions on guns in public spaces are appropriate to make public spaces safe for democratic participation, including First Amendment activity such as assembly, association, and speech."
It would be worse still if the ACLU decided to support gun control more generally, on the theory that firearm restrictions address a problem that disproportionately harms African Americans, as the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund argues. The idea that gun control promotes racial justice perversely invites policies and practices that not only violate civil liberties but also disproportionately harm racial minorities, as illustrated by New York's severe restrictions on the right to bear arms, the NYPD's "stop, question, and frisk" program, and last year's felon-in-possession crackdown in Washington, D.C.
While the ACLU has never been keen on the Second Amendment, it has a long, admirable history of defending the First Amendment, even when that meant helping people with odious views. But that commitment is now open to question (and has been for some time) because it conflicts with the preferences of people who think the ACLU should prioritize progressive causes rather than civil liberties.
That is what the ACLU did after Kyle Rittenhouse successfully argued that he acted in self-defense when he shot three people, two fatally, during an August 2020 protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin. When a jury acquitted Rittenhouse of all charges last month, the ACLU complained that he "was not held responsible for his actions" and irrelevantly decried "the impact that violence in defense of white supremacy has on the Black and Brown communities." Thus did an organization that is supposedly dedicated to defending the rights of criminal defendants abandon that cause, bowing to political correctness by implying that the law and the evidence did not matter. So much for due process, trial by jury, the presumption of innocence, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
The ACLU continues to do good work in defense of civil liberties. But its embrace of wide-ranging progressive goals is clearly undermining the principles that made it distinctive and worthy of support from people who don't necessarily agree with that agenda.
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But Mr. Buttplug says the ACLU is a principled libertarian organization that only wingnuts dislike.
They once exclusively defended people against government overreach.
Not any more. I last donated to the ACLU about 10 years ago.
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Plus, they stopped defending connoisseurs of child porn, so fuck 'em.
The kids, or the ACLU?
It's Buttplug. The question doesn't even need to be asked.
And then, turd lies; it’s all he ever does.
turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Well, you do love raping children.
Yes, when it served their propaganda interests and allowed them to recruit more useful idiots, that's what they did.
Their political objectives have never changed however. They were founded by communists and true to forn have been using liberalism to destroy itself.
I used to donate to them and never will again. They've gone down a rabbit hole. The whole social just movement and CRT is a RELIGIOUS movement and it all makes sense once it is seen as that. It's why the ACLU can now take positions completely counter productive to their stated Constitutional Rights goals: suspension of disbelief, faith, the desire to show "moral virtue" and fervent desire to route out, and be seen routing out, the "Satan" ("system racism" and "whiteness") where ever it can be found. This is a religion, it doesn't have a god but they don't need one. They just need a devil and believers and they have it.
The ACLU argues that "student debt is a racial justice issue," because it is "a crushing burden that falls heaviest on Black communities, and especially onto Black women." By this logic, any problem that disproportionately affects a particular racial group is likewise a racial justice issue and therefore, by the ACLU's reckoning, a civil liberties issue.
So loans in "studies" degrees will be canceled, but engineering, physics and math majors are on their own?
"engineering, physics and math" are white supremacy
Lotsa Asians, too.
Asians are only POCs when they are being violently attacked by African Americans, which is blamed on white supremacy.
You have been the victim of fake news. Asian people are being injured by out of control SUVs.
Does anyone else get the impression that the ACLU and the left in general are just going all in on 'Blacks, Browns and Reds are inferior and must be protected from themselves'? Or just believe that black women are stupid? They certainly can't be convinced that minorities have equal opportunities but fail to take advantage of them.
As the child of an electrician and veteran, who stated working in the fields with his family of migrant laborers at the age of 6, I feel like they are marginalizing the vast majority of the rest of us who don't come from privileged backgrounds either. My dad went to college on the GI Bill and never paid a penny for my education. He was the first member of his family to attend college.
White man's burden. A symptom of white liberals for 300 years.
Yes. Eugenics was a big thing for progressives a 100 years ago.
They never really let it go.
Do you reject “science “?
The ACLU has never really changed. They pushed the boundaries of free speech not because they cared about creating a classically liberal society but because they wanted to be able to push authoritarian left wing ideologies.
And that guy has a punchable face.
More of a bitch slapable face IMO.
Things we have known for a decade.
IKR.
I'm glad this stuff is finally starting to dawn on the Reasonistas, but the articles I've seen them writing in the last two months are on things that were blatant back in 2015.
They wanted so long to influence and be loved by the establishment clerisy, that they deliberately overlooked the creeping hostility in all institutions to civil rights and free speech.
It's far to late for Reason and Cato to influence the ACLU now, but it wasn't back in 2012 when the problems within were really getting obvious.
Maybe by 230 they will realize the IC working to take down politicians is a bad thing.
2030*
And that political prisoners, Orange Man Bad or otherwise, is also bad.
Now that leftist/establishment power is cemented, Reason can fulfill its role as dickless controlled opposition
They won't question the real important tenets of our ruling leftists:
-Covid is an extraordinary virus that everyone should feel threatened by and worried about
-Russia bad
-racism is a prevalent feature of America and white supremacy a prominent threat (notice there is no article on Jussie Smollet's conviction 12+ hours later)
-the 2020 election was free and fair and not at all suspicious or significantly different than the will of the people
-Trump/Deplorables bad
-climate change is something that needs to be stopped
-people aren't individuals but are merely units of identity class
-the left is altruistic, only mistaken when causing harm; the right is malevolent and lucky when they cause or allow improvement
-Big Tech is a positive force acting completely independent of any political goals and must be placed on a pedestal
There's probably more, but I'll leave it there for now
Where the ACLU goes, Reason will soon follow.
They had problems at the turn of the century, when I stopped giving them money. Now they are advocating theft, which puts them on the same level as government.
You could never influence the ACLU. They were founded by authoritarian leftists,and when they say "liberty", they mean dictatorship is the proletariat.
A decade?
progressive agenda
Are they card carrying members? Do they elect leadership? Then how do we know they even exist much less have an agenda?
Try 2, maybe 3 decades.
"__________ is a racial justice issue," because it is "a crushing burden that falls heaviest on Black communities, and especially onto Black women."
Put in whatever the fuck you want in the blank.
And fuck Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the fucking Democratic horse they rode in on.
Subsidies to single parent households...
Except gun control.
"Fucking Kamala Harris is a racial justice issue," because it is "a crushing burden that falls heaviest on Black communities, and especially onto Black women."
Bow-chicka-bow-wow.
https://vdare.com/articles/sam-francis-the-king-holiday-and-its-meaning
an excerpt:
To those of King's own political views, then, the true meaning of the holiday is that it serves to legitimize the radical social and political agenda that King himself favored and to delegitimize traditional American social and cultural institutions—not simply those that supported racial segregation but also those that support a free market economy, an anti-communist foreign policy, and a constitutional system that restrains the power of the state rather than one that centralizes and expands power for the reconstruction of society and the redistribution of wealth. In this sense, the campaign to enact the legal public holiday in honor of Martin Luther King was a small first step on the long march to revolution, a charter by which that revolution is justified as the true and ultimate meaning of the American identity. In this sense, and also in King's own sense, as he defined it in his speech at the Lincoln Memorial in 1963, the Declaration of Independence becomes a "promissory note" by which the state is authorized to pursue social and economic egalitarianism as its mission, and all institutions and values that fail to reflect the dominance of equality—racial, cultural, national, economic, political, and social—must be overcome and discarded.
I defended them for longer than some as still more good than evil. But no longer and not for a while now. ACLU is garbage.
This initiative is yet another sign that the venerable organization has strayed so far from its historic mission that it is becoming indistinguishable from myriad progressive advocacy groups.
“Venerable” probably isn’t the best way to describe the ACLU anymore. Perhaps some better adjectives would be “entrenched”, “politically connected”, “ideologically corrupt”..,
Well, it really just means "old".
Strong words from Zeb.
They’re now a Marxist front group, and should be destroyed as a Marxist front group.
They started out that way, to be sure.
A civil liberty is keeping the money you worked for and not having it coercively taken by a government. Using taxpayer dollars to fund someone else’s education is in opposition to that.
It's a double slap in the face to those of us who didn't take loans because we did not think they were a good trade, or who paid their loans off.
The same happened in 2008. Both McCain and Hillary were proposing relief for people who were unable to pay their mortgages. That looked really goddamned dirty to someone who decided that getting an ARM he literally couldn't afford was a bad idea. Like, why suffer? Lie, borrow too much, default, and let Uncle Sam pay for it.
Reward bad decisions and you get worse decisions. And you also get a lot of resentment from those of us who chose to do the right, moral, and ethical thing.
When government subsidizes poor decisions, society gets more folks making poor decisions.
Yes, we recently had 81 million bad decisions.
"Reward bad decisions and you get worse decisions."
Deserved to be tattooed on the forehead of every lefty shit politician. How do you thank SF and LA got so many bums? We pay them to be here!
Disclaimer: Not a libertarian position.
If the government has a hardon for giving away stolen/borrowed money, especially because of their actions (subprime lending/shutting down the entire fucking economy), it should go to individuals first.
In a perfect world, the government wouldn’t be causing these situations in the first place.
The Obama administration actually tried to implement this . . . but there was some pushback:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#First_national_protests_and_birth_of_national_movement
“Self defense” is just another in a long list of things that is considered white supremacy.
Wrong thread, but yes: setting things on fire is "protesting for social justice," protecting things from being lit on fire is "white supremacy." (I suppose the same approach can be applied to assault, robbery, etc.)
>>Is forgiving student debt, 92 percent of which is held by the federal government, a good idea?
kinda tough to root for a) the federal government and b) the university system here. the money's not real and the return-on-investment is laughable
I would be FOR forgiving student debt if the money that went to the universities was clawed back by the government. If a kid who went to Harvard has $50k forgiven, Harvard needs to repay the government.
Make the universities suffer for their bait-and-switch tactics used to increase their enrollment and add more non-teaching administrators.
in.
Why should government repay loans that debtors took? Their bad decisions are not our responsibility.
Government should claw back from universities, either. They played the system and won.
The only action I’d support is for the elimination of student loans and for universities to be prohibited from accepting public funding. There is no good reason for my money to support a system that actively undermines me.
Should not* claw back
/typo
"I recognize that reasonable people of good faith disagree."
No, no they don't.
Claiming that hard working taxpayers have to pay off debts taken on by others is not, and never will be, reasonable.
This
Why do we always get the throat clear. On most things libertarian, right is right and wrong is wrong.
Stealing is wrong.
We how easy that is? Reasonable people don't disagree, because... Well.... Stealing is wrong. Period.
I'm not sure the ACLU has strayed that far, except their messaging may have gotten more emboldened, and perhaps maybe more people are noticing.
Guessing you are somewhat young.
One would think... But my impression was genX.
The ACLU used to be all-in... Free speech is everything. Even for the KKK marching through Atlanta.
Now they actually say "hate speech is not free speech" and advocate for abolishing the 1st amendment and stacking the court.... At least in some offices.
So, what are the actual stats on who holds up to 50K in student loan debt? Because it may not bolster the argument they are trying to make here.
Who need stats when you have feelings and outrage?
The Constitution does not guarantee a right to a debt-free college education.
Are you sure about that?
"Amendment IX - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
The ACLU are the guys to tell us what the Bill of Rights mean, right?
The Bill of Rights means "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
Dr. Seuss told me that I need a thneed! I am ENTITLED, dammit! All of ye cheap-assed bastards PONY UP, now!!!
Oh, SQRLSY, when you don't shit your pants, you can be funny.
When you reach the absurdity of a former bartender turned congresswoman making $175,000 a year and driving a brand new Tesla demanding the government pay off her remaining $17,000 in student loans, you know you have jumped the shark on this absurd issue.
She can't even afford the cost of her designer Marxist political statement dresses. How is a brown girl supposed to provide for her own education?
Do you think she declared that dress as a gift and paid taxes on it?
Fresh off voting for a tax cut for the rich (the House version of BBB includes a SALT change that would deliver 51% of its benefit to people in the upper 2% of incomes and 100% to people in the upper 20%), a woman whose personal income is at the 94th percentile among Americans demanded that the government assume her student loan debt, and followed up by asserting that the student loan policy would not benefit the rich.
The highest earners pay the vast majority of the taxes, so good on giving the benefit to those who paid for it.
Heck, with little budget cutting, we, the people, could run the gov't on what that top 20% pay. Easily.
She chooses not to pay the loan, so she can get mileage from it.
If I was her lender, I’d be “bitch, pay us or we will see you in court.”
Perhaps Sullum should have thought about this and other important public policy issues before writing hundreds of articles demonizing Donald Trump (the most libertarian president since Cal Coolidge) during the past five years.
If Trump was still President, the ACLU wouldn't have taken this action (as there was no chance Trump would support it).
So of course, Sullum failed to mention that.
Is it a libertarian stance to egg on your brownshirt recruits and Proud Boys, and Trumpanzees gone apeshit, to replace democracy with mobocracy?
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump's Big Lie and Hitler's: Is this how America's slide into totalitarianism begins?
It is okay sarc. You can admit your tribe is not libertarian. Just embrace the leftist label you already openly wear.
And it's back to mute. Trumptator fan-fiction is soooo last cycle.
They don't realize they and the left (i repeat) are the only ones bringing up trump Constantly as democrat policies fail.
JesseBahnFuhrer says that ALL who DISOBEY the Commandment... "Thou shalt Honor ALL lies that say, 'My Tribe's Lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD; your tribe's lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD!!!'... MUST be nailed to the cross!!!" So it was Written; So must it be done!!! All Hail Der JesseBahnFuhrer!!!
The Romans knew how to inflict justice!!! They had this process NAILED!!! And NOW we know!!! In spades!!! THIS is how you do "punishment boners"!!! Read it and weep, JesseBahnFuhrer!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/world/archaeologists-crucifixion-uk-scn-gbr-scli-intl/index.html
Rare example of Roman crucifixion unearthed in UK
TDS-addled spastic asshole gets flagged. Fuck off and die.
TDS-addled spastic asshole gets a flag
Hey Smegmalung!
Don’t you have more important things to do, instead of thread-shitting here? As San Fran’s foremost homeless hobo, couldn’t you be doing your “squeegee” racket, fighting with the other bums, pooping in the streets, and yelling insane, deluded insults at passers-by?
Smegmalung’s next gig in Gay Ol’ San Fran: Burglary, which San Fran’s media suggests should now be tolerated!
https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-francisco-chronicle-ripped-for-asking-if-residents-should-tolerate-burglaries
San Francisco Chronicle ripped for asking if residents should 'tolerate burglaries'
But Smegmalung is you, Sqrlsy.
TDS-addled spastic asshole gets flagged. Fuck off and die.
Is it a libertarian stance to egg on your brownshirt recruits and Proud Boys, and Trumpanzees gone apeshit, to replace democracy with mobocracy?
When the other option is even more brownshirts consisting of rapists, wife beaters, and red SUVs going apeshit and more mobocracy, yes.
Trump is poison, man. If you can’t see that you’re too far gone.
And nobody is to blame for Trump no longer being president than Trump himself. The Democrats were and are such an out of touch clusterfuck that all Trump had to do was demonstrate the self control of a five year old. He couldn’t.
The concerted effort by much of the media to keep people from seeing things that make Biden look bad didn't help either. But I largely agree. If Trump had a bit more self control he probably could have been reelected.
Well, and the whole voter fraud thing in WI, MI, PA and GA. Probably NV and AZ too.
Zen you’re right. The media (and big tech) being Team Biden didn’t help at al.
Or the massive electoral fraud that can only be ignored when you shut your eyes.
Not true, Beavis also has his head firmly up his ass.
Assholes like you, whining about Trump 24/7 didn't help either, steaming pile of shit.
"...If Trump had a bit more self control he probably could have been reelected..."
Fewer TDS-addled assholes like you could have helped also. Try growing up; it's really not that hard, and you won't own the next POS as you do Biden now.
It was an interesting social experiment.
It reminded me of these countries where terrorists attack their own people and the people start supporting the terrorists.
The left went bananas as Trump took office, flinging poo everywhere. The Obama administration spied on his campaign, framed incoming officials for crimes, and fomented rebellion from within... They even had pipelines to nonpolitical bureaucrats sabotaging the government from within.
You forget.. But the Russia investigation was not an honest mistake... It was treason. They knew it was a hoax before they started. They created the hoax, with the express intention of installing Hillary...... And later with the intention of removing Trump.
The media howled and screamed... On cue from their.masters. they were not offering honest opinions. You know this now... They have given up the game long ago.
They created BLM under Obama on a state sponsored lie (hands up don't shoot was protected by Holder for a month).
Most of what you think of as "Trump can't control himself" is part of the left's campaign. And remember... The CIA was at the center of the whole thing. How many of your favorite journalists are actually CIA puppets working for Brennan?
Sally Yates revealed much when she wrote that CYA email..... The biggest thing was that framing people for crimes was so commonplace that they could have a meeting with the directors of CIA and FBI and top DOJ officials and the president and VP along with 2 FBI agents and openly discuss framing someone in the incoming administration for a crime. Nobody seemed to notice at the time... But bigger than the fact that they did it was the fact that nobody was worried about any of these people being in the room as they conspired against the elected President. Not assistant AG, not even regular FBI agents... Everyone was OK with that many people just discussing how to frame someone for a crime in a move that is probably treason.
That is what you are actually talking about when you bemoan Trump calling CNN fake news when they keep pushing the fraudulent story at him... This was not criticism by the press, this was an actual disinformation campaign by a former administration looking to hold on to power in the face of an election that said otherwise. And in your world, calling them out as fake news is the problem, not the press being puppets of a treasonous cabal who seek to undermine democracy.
Which is why we can't have nice things.
All those things are true. But it is still true that Trump tweeting in the wee hours of the morning and using disrespectful language was what convinced suburban housewives and squishy men to vote for a demented moron.
Yes. Most idiots prefer composure over policies. Fuck what actually effects you. All about image with you.
Oh fuck off. There’s a difference between composure and spending your entire presidency acting like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
I’d ask you for evidence on the fraud stuff, but hell it’s been a year and nobody has any.
Trump would be a better president than Biden. It’s his fault he wasn’t re-elected. Enough people got too tired of his schtick and it was enough to elect the mess we got. And even now, with people sick to death of the progressive craziness of the Dems, Trump is working hard to see that those loonies keep power. It’s depressing AF but what are you gonna do?
Hey! Stop y’all’s fighting!
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With their hunger now sated, The Lord Trump was finally able to calm the masses, and silence their cheering, so that He could, once again, be heard. The Lord Trump spake once again, saying unto them, “Behold, now begins a time of troubles! The Dark Lord has bin bidin’ his time, which has now come! I will be swallowed up by the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, for 4 years of dark nights and troubled days, and I know, you will miss Me terribly! But then the Boulder of Voter Fraud will mysteriously be shoved aside, and I will emerge once more! Trust bigly in Me, but bigly JUST in Me!!!”
The Lord Trump waited for a long time, for the applause to die down, and then continued, “While I am gone, the Faithful shall honor Me on the last Thursday of each November, giving Thanks that I have shown Good Americans The Truth and The Way. You shall slay the Great Pumpkin, and eat of the Pumpkin Pie, saying, ‘This is the Body of The Lord Trump. Eat it with Joy and Gladness’. Then ye shall drink of the cranberry juice, saying. ‘This is the Blood of The Lord Trump. Drink it with Anticipation of the Defeat of the Forces of Evil, and of the Demon-rats’. This, do in honor of MEEE!”
The applause was overwhelming and unstoppable, so The Lord Trump escaped in His Helicopter, to the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, leaving the crowd to festering in the gathering stormy weather. There were no busses provided for the crowds, but that was OK by them, for they were full of Great Trumpsmas Joy!
TDS addled spastic asshole gets flagged.
I've given you evidence dumbfuck. 13 lawsuits of illegal election changes. 5000 double votes in GA. 3k in AZ. At least one nursing home in Wisconsin committing fraud by voting as their patients. There is plenty of fraud if you wonder off the CNN plantation every once in a while.
You dont find it odd nursing home voting doubled in Wisconsin based on numbers after family members were disallowed to help relatives vote and no witnesses required? Not odd to you Pa destroyed voter envelopes quickly despite state laws requiring them to be kept for 2 years? Over a dozen lawsuits regarding illegal election change?
You are wilfully blind. Because you're as infected as sarc is.
And, as I pointed out then, there's the underlying "above-aboard" election-engineering that couldn't have possibly taken place in '16, '12, '08... the rampant and still omnipresent mentality of "Fuck freedom, fuck democracy. COVID!"
If, in 2024, there's an alpha centauri variant outbreak 3 mos. before the election and the-powers-that-be decide that everyone should just vote from the confinement of their own homes using the vaccination and contact-tracing app, a significant portion of the population would think "How prudent." Nevermind the civil rights violations that had prevented remotely similar systems from being implemented for decades. Nevermind the colossal fuckup the Obamacare website rollout was. Nevermind the new civil rights violations such a system would introduce. Nevermind the fundamental and fatal corrosion it would introduce into free and fair elections. Nope, COVID exists and you want to kill people with your thoughts of personal privacy and election integrity.
And again you fucking double down on appearances despite biden is shit with policies. Why the fuck do you care about appearances. Tweets don't effect your life, policy does. Yet you cry about the prior non stop.
Bevis is an arrested development asshole who hopes the POTUS will be a daddy figure. We got what that son of a bitch deserves.
Fuck off and die, Bevis, a slow painful death.
"...Trump would be a better president than Biden. It’s his fault he wasn’t re-elected..."
You're correct. It was due to TDS-addled piles of shit like you. You OWN Biden, asshole.
I’d ask you for evidence on the fraud stuff, but hell it’s been a year and nobody has any.
Except for the fact that it's all over the place, and you can only miss it if you're trying really, really hard to. Just because Zucker's CNN tells you there's nothing, doesn't mean you shouldn't try to find out yourself.
https://hereistheevidence.com/
"Oh fuck off. There’s a difference between composure and spending your entire presidency acting like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog."
YOU fuck off, you pathetic pile of shit. There's a difference between intelligent people who can focus on results and adolescent TDS-addled piles of shit like you whose only focus is personality.
Go watch day-time TV, join a fan-club after you pick your fave soap-opera star for POTUS- 'swoon'...
There’s a difference between composure and spending your entire presidency acting like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
There's a difference between composure and acting like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog is an existential and irreparable threat to democracy too.
"Trump is poison, man..."
Bevis is a fucking TDS-addled piece of shit, man.
Trump was elected because he wasn't Hillary.
Biden was elected because he wasn't Trump.
Many of first-time Trump voters were not second-time Trump voters, which even Trump couldn't understand.
"Perhaps Sullum should have thought about this and other important public policy issues before writing hundreds of articles demonizing Donald Trump..."
See the TDS-addled asshole bevis, below. Fuck him with Sullum's dick; we got what they deserve.
See the TDS-addled asshole bevis, ABOVE.
Corrected; TDS-addled asshole hasn't changed, position has.
I wonder why people give money to the ACLU. They don't even have a defined mission. If you want to give it to "liberals'r'us" just give it to the Democratic Party.
The one person I know who has given them money fairly recently isn’t all that aware of their current activities and statements. They gave based on the ACLU’s reputation.
For the same reason white people give money to Black Lives Matter. It makes them feel good.
It's more effective to give money to groups who pretend not to be far left. They can disclaim the results of the left's policies and thus fully focus on attacking the right. So the same reason left wing commenters pretend to be libertarian.
Thus did an organization that is supposedly dedicated to defending the rights of criminal defendants abandon that cause, bowing to political correctness by implying that the law and the evidence did not matter. So much for due process, trial by jury, the presumption of innocence, and proof beyond a reasonable
https://apkgameapps.com/action/gta-san-andreas/
Au contraire, this is the end point of "services as rights".
Other services masquerading as rights include:
Voting
Healthcare
Internet access
Shelter (see the endless homeless problem)
Abortion
Gay marriage
And those are the ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
And more recently,
Ignore that last partial fragment, phone typing isn't easy.
phone typing isn't easy.
My 12 year old grandson disagrees.
Definitely in inverse proportion to age.
Equality of outcome
Voting is not a right?
Isn’t it technically a privilege?
I had the same question.
Giving N a charitable reading: Voting as a service means that it must be made available such that there are no racial disparities in the population that takes part.
Just as important as getting these things for free is complete lack of consequences.
Sort of a Bill of Entitlements. I'm sure the founders were kicking themselves for not including such a thing at the time.
I thought this racial non-sense would stop after we elected a black president. Progressives have just double down on stupid.
I recall hearing the phrase "post racial society" right after BHO was elected in 2008; that was the biggest threat the grievance industry could imagine, so notions of "white privilege" and "systemic racism" and more recently "CRT" were brought to bear.
None of this requires any evidence or proof whatsoever, it just is. Racism has proved to be far too useful to ever be allowed to diminish, if only in the minds of those being manipulated.
Because it's never enough. They always MORE.
The decline of the ACLU should come as no surprise to anyone. Those lawyers are a product of the same colleges that gives us CRT and other idiotic ideology. And any respectable socialist would obviously rather work for a non-profit than a capitalist law firm.
Now that we have put our two kids through school with no loans, we as taxpayers, are going to have to pay for other's kids who took out loans?
Sounds like the borrowers are being rewarded while the savers are being punished.
The grasshoppers v/s the ants. This thing has been around for a while now... Do NOT be responsible! Ye will be PUNISHED for that!
(PS, do NOT be Asian either, ye of the Yellow Peril! Your "personality points" will be found to be sadly lacking!!!)
Or as Greg Giraldo used to say, "It's a great time to be a fuckup!"
Sounds like the borrowers are being rewarded while the savers are being punished.
Yeah. Of course it is. Who saves nothing and borrows everything? Government. So yeah they'll always favor policies that punish savers and reward borrowers. Why do you think inflation exists?
It's like TARP II: The Empire Strikes Back
Did you ever end up seeing the new Dune?
By the time I wanted to subscribe to see it, it was no longer available on the streaming service--and they wanted $35. I refuse to pay that much on principle! I don't think they'll make it available on streaming services until after the holidays--hoping lots of people will go see on Christmas. I'll definitely see it eventually.
SMOLLETT - GUILTY ON 5 COUNTS
You know Reason is sad as all fuck.
I bet he does community service and no jail time.
And he’ll get a show on NBC.
You know if isn't about legality or evidence, it's about the "message."
"Is forgiving student debt, 92 percent of which is held by the federal government, a good idea?"
No.
Does Sevo the Pedo EVER give DETAILS about WHY it is right, even when it is right? Does Sevo the Pedo EVER give citations or justifications for what it asserts?
No! (It apparently has Magic Persuasive Powers!)
TDS-addled spastic asshole gets flagged. Fuck off and die, steaming pile of shit.
The ACLU is merely returning to its socialist roots because the "socialist moment" in the U.S. has finally arrived. Or so they believe.
(Many years ago I used to defend them as doing good work even if they refused to defend the Second Amendment.)
As Turkey Erdogan has noted. democracy is like a tram, when you get to your station you get off.
But its embrace of wide-ranging progressive goals is clearly undermining the principles that made it distinctive and worthy of support from people who don't necessarily agree with that agenda.
Or as somebody once said, "Everything woke turns to shit."
That was Maggie Thatcher.
King Midas turned all that he touched into gold. King Socialism turned all that he touched into shit! All Hail!!!
Bon Appetit.
Fats of Fury clearly LOVES socialism! You love it, YOU eat it!
The ACLU has strayed quite far from defending civil rights, and it’s straying has a sadly long history.
Is "generational wealth" like identifying as a rich person?
Jussie Smollett is a lying liar, who lies about his lying.
And I'm not the only one who thinks so!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/actor-jussie-smollett-found-guilty-of-lying-to-police-in-faking-a-hate-crime-11639092268?
Did Jussie Smollett lie in court about his lying lies?
I don't know. I just know that he's a lying liar who often lies about his lying.
Question now is will he be charged with perjury. The dude is a full blown sociopath. Hoping the judge has the balls to give him some prison time even though Reason thinks he shouldn't because juicy's a non violent sociopath.
I doubt he'll do any time on the five charges they already got him on.
They'll just give him community service.
He already did that according to Kim Foxx.
BREAKING: Former reality TV star and Family Research Council spokesperson, Josh Duggar convicted of downloading and possessing child pornography. Duggar, starred on TLC's “19 Kids and Counting,” faces up to 20 years in prison on each of two charges.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1468981888178130945
“19 Kids and Counting” may have meant something else.
Nice man. You're pretty funny actually.
Sounds like someone Kyle Rittenhouse would have shot.
Newsflash Paul., Kyle's a Democrat! I gotcha on your partisan tomfoolery this time! Bowf sidez!
It’s funny, you’re so retarded you think that’s a gotcha.
Are we supposed to think that the left making everything about race--even when it isn't--isn't really an issue--because some cultural conservative none of us cares about was convicted of something else?
This may be the best example of whataboutism evar!.
Two weeks ago, progressives were flooding the media wailing that an innocent man should have been convicted of murder--not because he was guilty of anything but because acquitting him supposedly sent a message about racism! And this despite the fact that all the people who were shot were Caucasian. Progressives were so desperate to send a message about racism--by convicting an innocent man--that they started inventing crimes that don't exist to justify it--like crossing state lines. It was ridiculous.
Jussie Smollett took advantage of this evil strain of progressive stupidity--by faking a hate crime against himself--and we're supposed to pretend that means nothing because whatabout somebody none of us cares about did something awful?
That's just stupid.
If progressives had any integrity or brains, they'd be lambasting Jussie Smollett for casting doubt on the real claims of real victims of real hate crimes. But as you've shown here, progressives don't have any integrity or brains. It's all just an emotional reaction to having progressive stupidity exposed on national media--a reaction that makes them look even worse. Jussie Smollett is exposed as a liar and a fraud, and you still want to defend him!
LOL
As long as it's about race, you'll defend it--even if it's fraudulent, won't you? How embarrassing for you personally!
Is this going to be like "LatinX", where the left is going to claim they knew all along he was lying and never ran interference for him?
Robby already humblebragged about his investigative prowess:
As I wrote back in February 2019, the Smollett incident is a vital reminder that some hate crimes are hoaxes;
In Feb. of 2019, the CPD had already dropped the investigation into the Hate Crime, was investigating Smollett, and two days after Robbie exposed that the hate crime was a hoax, filed charges.
Everyone else had already solved the case about the time they heard "Two MAGA-hat wearing Trump voters, on the streets of Chicago..." but Robbie had to play it safe, for journalistic integrity purposes.
"The ACLU continues to do good work in defense of civil liberties."
Well, maybe for another week or so.....
It's sad. The ACLU was, once upon a time, a very important organization -- perhaps even an "institution," in the legal landscape of the USA. No more. Luckily, other organizations are, or have been, rising, to fill the gap.
Institute for Justice does more for liberty in a day than ACLU and Reason do in a month.
That is for sure. Ditto the Pacific Legal Foundation.
Although.... Reason is a magazine, not a legal-defense organization.
Yeah, but that's a problem if they want money from me; 'what have you accomplished?'
Preaching to the choir worthless, and since Poole had some traction in transport de-reg, it seems they've done nothing other than build fancy digs inside the beltway.
'Tis the season to be writing checks, and reason is gonna get their 'nickel tip' just so they know they haven't been forgotten.
IJ lost my funds in 2020 when I couldn't get any interest in efforts to scale back the government power grabs; I figure it'll take a year claw back what Newsom (for example) grabbed in a month.
These guys ( https://pacificlegal.org/ ) have been far more active in that regard, and while IJ does some nice work, it seems to me they're currently ignoring the flood waters which are now nearly neck-deep with their eyes firmly focused in the middle distance.
The ACLU should stick to caring only about liberty. The left in America hates liberty and is inclined towards the oppression of rights.
"The left
in Americahates liberty and is inclined towards the oppression of rights."'The ACLU's Push To Stick The Taxpayers With Student Debt'
Fixed.
The ACLU's push to support our failing leftist college industry.
acknowledge the colossal failure by canceling all the debt and also getting the government out of subsidizing student debt entirely.
the other day i saw someone seriously suggest they should give income tax credits for student loan payments (well, the suggestion wasn't that sophisticated, the person said people who have student loan payments shouldn't have to pay income tax), because clearly the problem is that they aren't subsidizing borrowing enough! didn't waste my breath explaining that point to this person.
To be fair, nobody should be paying income tax.
very true
I don't think it should be canceled, but there are some serious problems with student loans
The college should bear some responsibility. If they are educating people they have a stake in the matter as well as the student
They also need to dial back the college propaganda in the public school system itself. From almost day one you are told you have to go to college to get a good job
And holy F, that AnyClip thing has gotten more obnoxious, constantly stealing focus
"The college should bear some responsibility. If they are educating people they have a stake in the matter as well as the student"
So you want big brother leaning over the shoulders of the "Queer-Eskimo-Studies" major with what sort of advice?
"They also need to dial back the college propaganda in the public school system itself. From almost day one you are told you have to go to college to get a good job"
Who are "they?"
The education establishment and society in a general sense.
They have come a long way from protecting free speech and against war. My gut feeling is like many organizations created for protection of liberty or helping folks (Ford Foundation), they got captured by the usual "bolshevik light" NYC far left radical types who dominate nonprofits, media, academia, and the Federal Govt. Screw them. Social Justice is rarely social and never justice. Damn marxists..can't we just deport them to Eastern Europe or Russia where this insanity started?
Karl Marx was German. Robespierre & Co. were French.
msnbc's top stories today: Trump!
Dissolve all university assets (forfeited via RICO) and use that to bail out students.
Biden pulls bizarre "Death of Stalin" style seat switch.
BTW, that finger in the air pose looks like every Muslim fundy lecturing on how to wear a suicide vest.
The student loan program needs to be done away with before we even talk about whether loans can or should be forgiven.
...but that loan program guaranteed that all pity-me lazy citizens could enjoy 12+ years of MORE pity-me lazy subsidized lifestyles (which the numbers of drop-outs/failures matches 100%).
...or there's the crony socialist supply side.... That loan program and its guaranteed unearned money supply drove endless price increases like nobodies business.
Nazi's EVERYWHERE... One has to giggle that the ACLU was started by a battle with DEMOCRAT Mitchell Palmer then a major battle with DEMOCRAT FDR then another battle with DEMOCRAT etc, etc, etc....
Then came the Commie-Education battles and instead of battling for Education Liberty the ACLU flips into particular citizens must be more *entitled* than others.
It seems to be a common mistake of the 21st Century to pump-up propaganda in the pursuit of self-entitlement to others belongings or at others expense. The bill of rights wasn't ever civil *entitlements* and there is no such thing as the 'my general welfare' clause.
And that's where the Nazi's took over the ACLU.
IIRC, the ACLU was founded by actual, card carrying Communists and their reason for founding the ACLU was so that their members would be free to express their political beliefs. (If the government bans Nazis from marching, then they might next ban us commies from marching!!).
If you keep this founding principle in mind, all of their present day actions make sense. They are working towards a 'peaceful' progressive revolution. The current membership of the ACLU does not give a damn about civil liberties or inalienable rights. All they care about is furthering the Progressive cause.
The ACLU’s affiliates (53 total located in most states) does take gun rights cases but usually where based on where the affiliate is located (in mostly rural areas, like parts of Texas, but sometimes in large cities). The ACLU successfully sued and won a gun rights case against the City of Philadelphia over a legal concealed carry permit. When the gun owner was harassed later by police, the ACLU sued again and won for the retaliation from the first lawsuit.
Many Americans would be surprised to know that allies of the ACLU have included Dwight D. Eisenhower (President and Allied Commander during World War Two), Harry S. Truman and General Douglas MacArthur. The ACLU also defended the late Reverend Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University in a lawsuit against the City of Lynchburg, Virginia. An ACLU attorney helped keep Rush Limbaugh from being convicted on illegal prescription drug use. A great must see recent documentary is titled “Mighty Ira” great to watch.
It’s likely that in 2021 women would not have voting rights without the ACLU. The ACLU won voting rights for women in the 1920’s. In the 1920’s anyone that supported women’s voting rights was also labeled a communist, it was generally used to falsely label Democrats. The actual definition means a follower of Marx or Stalin, less than 1/10 of 1% of ACLU members meet that definition.
Have a daughter that plays sports?The ACLU was the driving force behind federal law “Title IX” that required public schools to fund sports that girls could participate in.
During World War Two the United States government placed thousands of totally innocent native born American “citizens” in detention camps located on swampland. These innocent Americans were removed from their homes with rifles and bayonets. The prisoners, never charged or convicted of any wrongdoing, were still required to perform the Pledge of Allegiance every morning surrounded by barb wire fencing. The ACLU defended these innocent Americans when both parties went off the rails. Imagine if the January 6 insurrectionists were placed in detention camps for actual wrongdoing? Those Trump supporters would be represented by the ACLU.
The ACLU defended Virginia State Troopers when they sued their police department over privacy intrusions. Remember the movie “GI Jane” about allowing women to serve in military special forces, that was driven by the ACLU. Female cops and female fire fighters have a job today thanks to the ACLU.
No, the ACLU didn't have much to do with voting rights for women. Messing up basic facts like this will make people wonder about the rest of your post.
The 19th Amendment giving the right to vote to women passed Congress in 1919, before the ACLU existed. The ACLU was founded and the 19th was ratified the next year. If the ACLU had anything to do with this, it was only for it's first 8 months.
As for your rant about Democrats, most of the opposition to the 19th was by southern Democrats. Look at which states were the last to ratify, holding out for decades after the Amendment was ratified by 3/4 of the states and went into effect: the last 8 were all former Confederate states, which were known as "The Solid South" because they consistently voted Democrat from the end of Reconstruction up to the late 1960's.
Also, if the ACLU was going to do anything in opposition to locking up the Jan 6th _demonstrators_, they'd be doing it already. The ACLU of the 1960's (when my mother was a board member) would have been in court from the first day bail was denied, but it's clearly been taken over by "woke" enthusiasts for unlimited government power.
>>undermine the civic structure of the entire country.
all of it is this.
This is hilarious, you can't make this stuff up! The ACLU or as a local radio host a few years ago like to call them "The Aging Commie Leftover Union". The same ACLU who fought for the rights of the KKK and the Neo-Nazis to hold demonstrations of the steps of Government buildings through out the Country, now want to champion the "rights" of minorities. Oh well. I guess if the political Party who created the KKK and wrote, passed and enforced the Jim Crow Laws can try to rebrand themselves the ACLU should have it's chance.
When are people going to wake up and realize the shit sandwich that the Left is feeding them?
Sadly the ACLU has joined the grifter class.
Not supposition. BLM say the quiet part out loud... Remember, they are actually a child of the CWPA, so for them this is not controversial.
The shit sandwich comes with a dollar, so never.