Maryland Democrats Hate Gerrymandering So Much, They're Trying To Eliminate the State's Lone Republican District
When it comes to drawing congressional districts, concerns about the legitimacy of democracy seemingly go out the window.

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D–Md.) has some thoughts about gerrymandering.
When the U.S. Supreme Court reviewed Wisconsin's congressional district map in 2017, Raskin was one of several members of Congress to submit an amicus brief calling on the court to "end partisan gerrymandering." He's claimed on Twitter that "gerrymandering empowers political minorities to redistrict political majorities into near-oblivion," issued an official statement claiming that "Republican state legislators…have perfected the art of redistricting for the goal of destroying the political opposition," and introduced a bill in Congress that would force states to use nonpartisan panels to redraw political district lines.
For the most part, Raskin's critiques are not wrong. Bizarre and misshapen congressional districts are often the result of a partisan effort to cement certain outcomes in future elections. State lawmakers, who in most cases control the once-every-decade redistricting process, are motivated to craft maps that allow their "team" to win as many districts as possible.
That's how you end up with districts like look like—well, sort of like Raskin's own congressional district in Maryland:
In their current (soon-to-be-replaced) form, Maryland's congressional districts are some of the most gerrymandered in the entire country. The current map, approved in 2011, was rated as the least-compact set of districts in the country by mapping firm Azavea in a 2012 report. (Compactness, which can be measured in several ways, is just one method of determining whether a district is gerrymandered, and while it can be flawed in some circumstances, it is generally a useful metric.) Raskin's eighth district is actually one of the state's least-bad districts—the current third district and sixth district were two of the nine least-compact districts in America when they were drawn, according to Azavea.
All those zigzagging district lines have helped Democrats win seven of the state's eight congressional seats in each of the five elections held since the current map was adopted in 2011. Yes, Maryland is a blue state, but gerrymandering has exaggerated the Democratic edge—or, as Raskin might say, it has helped push Maryland's political minority into near-oblivion.
Now, the state's congressional map is about to get even more gerrymandered.
The Maryland Legislative Redistricting Advisory Commission voted on November 23 to give preliminary approval to one of the four maps drawn up by state lawmakers who sit on the panel. The recommended map would give Democrats an electoral advantage in all eight of the state's districts by carving up Maryland's deep blue Baltimore/Washington corridor so that nearly all of the state's congressional districts include some part of it.

The proposed map gets an F from the Princeton Gerrymandering Project, which grades congressional maps on partisan fairness, geographical compactness, and other factors. The Maryland map gets a failing grade for both its obvious lack of compactness and for the resulting political favoritism.
A fairer map, the group says, would give Democrats an edge in five or six districts.
Actually, such a map was proposed by the Maryland Citizens Redistricting Commission, a group that included three Republicans, three Democrats, and three unaffiliated Marylanders. The commission's map is like night and day when compared to the one that state lawmakers have recommended: The districts make geographic sense, and the parts of Maryland with more Republicans (the Eastern Shore and the western panhandle) are placed in districts more likely to reflect their local politics. The Princeton Gerrymandering Project gave the commission's map an A grade.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, says he would veto a congressional map that differs significantly from what the citizens commission drew up, but Democrats have large enough majorities in Annapolis to override his objection.
What's happening in Maryland is obviously not unique. The Princeton Gerrymandering Project has recently handed out F grades to proposed new congressional maps in Illinois (drawn by Democrats) and in North Carolina (drawn by Republicans). In both cases, and in plenty of other states, redistricting is proceeding the way it pretty much always does: Ideals like fairness and respect for democratic values are getting pushed aside for nakedly partisan power grabs.
Still, Maryland's highly gerrymandered proposed map offers at least three lessons about the high-stakes fights over America's congressional maps.
First, it means it is well past time to abandon the ridiculous claim that only Republicans engage in gerrymandering—a claim that's been advanced not only by Democrats like Raskin but even by The New York Times recently. Republicans engaged in some of the most egregious gerrymandering during the 2011 redistricting process, but that was mostly a function of their outsized control of state capitals at the time.
It's true that Democratic gerrymanders are a bit harder to pull off since the party's current political coalition tends to be concentrated in cities and thus easy targets for "packing" into deep blue vote sinks. But Maryland's state lawmakers are demonstrating that it's certainly possible.
Second, Maryland's redistricting process this year also suggests that removing state lawmakers from the equation might help, at least a bit. Supposedly nonpartisan redistricting commissions have had a mixed track record in the past, and there's probably no way to take politics fully out of the process. But this redistricting cycle will provide, for the first time, a significant sample size of states that have implemented various reforms. The results will be a guide for the future.
In Maryland, at least, it is undeniable that the commission-drawn map is superior to the one proposed by state lawmakers. Since legislators have the final say, however, that fact may not matter.
Finally, Maryland's messy map demonstrates how expressions of concern about the state of American democracy are sometimes nothing more than cynical, partisan ploys. Republican attacks on the foundations of the democratic process are a serious concern, of course, but partisan gerrymandering undermines the legitimacy of elections too—by allowing candidates to pick their voters rather than the other, proper, way around.
That also means fewer competitive elections and a political landscape that favors the fringes of both major parties. "If current maps are a harbinger of the rest of the redistricting cycle, the 2022 midterms will feature far fewer competitive districts," writes Michael Li, a senior counsel for the Brennan Center for Justice, a public policy nonprofit housed at New York University's law school. We should not ignore those harms just because gerrymandering is more routine and expected.
Remember Raskin, the supposed gerrymandering-reformer who hails from a district that is itself deeply gerrymandered? Surely, he must be a sharp critic of the outlandishly partisan proposal Maryland Democrats are pushing in Annapolis.
"Raskin's press secretary, Jacob Wilson, said the congressman is not currently commenting on the redistricting process," Bethesda Magazine reported last month.
So much for that.
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Good. As it should be. Gerrymandering is horrible and needs to go away. The Ds have proposed bills to eliminate gerrymandering and the Rs have blocked it. So as long as it is legal the Ds need to do it as much as they can. It would be dumb for the Ds to unilaterally disarm.
You've added illiteracy to your skill set. Keep up the good work.
Molly rides the little yellow bus. And gets made fun of by the other passengers.
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It's illiterate, ignorant, dishonest and stupid. But, biased, so there's that.
You can't become a credentialed prog like Shrike without passing marks in all forms illiteracy. Historical illiteracy being particularly important.
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First, that makes no sense whatsoever and you know it.
Second, every bill I've seen to eliminate gerrymandering was either toothless and easily manipulated (such as this situation, where a neutral committee proposed something and then was completely overridden) or were proposals where I completely failed to see how it would accomplish its stated goal, mostly by appointing "neutral" third parties without any ability to ensure neutrality.
Democrats are the party where they disallowed the minority party to pick their own members for the j6 commission.
In many of the states with equal party committee membership for district lines the dem governors appoiny dems as independents to the commission. It is a game counting on voter ignorance.
I'm so happy to see that republicans are suddenly against gerrymandering! Let's do a bipartisan fix.
Just make it a bit harder to game; it will never go away. Say any district can't be more than three times as long as it is wide. There was one district in California that started near the coast, had a strip one half mile wide across the coast range and Central Valley to East Fresno. Democrat.
My libertopia solution is much simpler.
* Every district elects three representatives. Their legislature vote is the number of votes they won. Yes, more work for counting the results, but trivial these days.
* Every voter can also drop their name into a volunteer box, and one is chosen randomly to also be a legislator, whose legislature vote is all the remaining votes.
Thus there is no real need to realign the districts, and nothing to be gained from gerrymandering. But just in case ...
* Every property owner who is on the edge of a district can shift his parcel to that neighboring district, if that neighboring district had fewer votes last election.
This will tend to equalize population over time. But again, it doesn't matter.
I fancy other changes too, such as legislators posting proposed election contracts: what they promise to do during the coming term. Most likely pablum. Could be "Vote the party line". Could be "Vote against anything which spends more money or adds new laws." Could be "Vote Marxist." But being a contract, everyone in that district gets to sue for contract violations.
Every district elects three representatives
If we're going to triple the number of representatives, we might as well triple the number of districts, not give three for each one.
Umm...Republicans in the state did no such thing, nor could they since they don't have the votes to block anything. Redistricting is a state issue not a national one.
But hey, good to know you are for the disfranchisement of voters, as long as the right people do it. You realize that right, people in the rural western counties and the Eastern shore are having to be represented by people who do not share the same problems and concerns as their voters.
Luckily AG Garland is shown he is neutral and only suing a red state over redistricting.
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AG Garland announces a lawsuit against the state of Texas for "creating redistricting plans that deny or abridge the rights of Latino and black voters to vote on account of their race, color, or membership in a language minority group."
Democrats *really* don't think very highly of blacks and Latinos, do they?
It was a federal law that the Rs blocked. Congress has the power to outlaw gerrymandering.
No they don't, for it cannot be defined in any meaningful objective way.
You do realize "Gerrymandering" is enshrined in the Civil Rights act. Or do you propose eliminating the carve-out for "majority minority" districts?
If you want that eliminated also then we can talk. Otherwise it's just gerrymandering only when the Republicans do it, and "redistricting" when the dems do the same thing.
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That’s what they want. Rules only count when it empowers democrats and restrains republicans. Otherwise they don’t matter.
America cannot tolerate the democrat party anymore. We need to get serious about getting rid of them.
Oh, I get it shreek. It's just like how Republicans appointing justices to the supreme court to fill vacancies is "court packing", so it's OK for Democrats to triple the number of justices on the court and then fill those new vacancies with political cronies.
Shreek louder, dipstick.
Molly, saying a bill would eliminate gerrymandering, and writing it to actually do so, are completely different things. To my understanding of it, Democrats have always done the former, not the latter.
partisan gerrymandering undermines the legitimacy of elections too—by allowing candidates to pick their voters rather than the other, proper, way around.
How about randomly assigning each voter a "district"? What could be fairer than that?
Letting the voter choose their district?
How about letting each voter assign their proxy to any candidate they choose, regardless of where they live? Geographical representation made sense in the 18th century. It's much easier to contact people now.
See my suggestion above.
Ease of communication is not the reason for geographical representation you stupid twat. It's because people in the same geographical regions tend to have similar local interests, like land-use/zoning, schools, roads, noise ordinances, etc, and it's easier to hold local officials accountable the closer they are to the communities they represent. Otherwise we'd have set up the sort of all-powerful national government you desire in the first place. It wasn't because the mail is slow. It's because Nancy Pelosi isn't a good representative for the interests of people in Sioux Falls South Dakota.
Of course this is about CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, which shouldn't be meddling in local affairs.
She's not a good representative for the interests of conservatives in her district either.
Re: CE's proxy system: The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith, https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BY5R1MU/reasonmagazinea-20/
Fuck Jamie Raskin. Will be voting against the bum again, probably. What a piece of shit.
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Don't I know it.
Shit, I remember when Connie Morella was gerrymandered out of that very district.
Me too.
I just moved from western, upper MoCo to Virginia, in part over this BS. I lived in the country, and was represented for a long while by a moderate Republican (Roscoe). The map was redrawn, and suddenly the entire rural, western part of the state was glommed in with downcounty MoCo, and we got John Delaney.
I spent my entire life as a Marylander, and I'll never live there again. Thanks Democrats for ruining my home state.
You realize, don't you, that they're doing the same thing to your adopted state?
"Republican attacks on the foundations of the democratic process are a serious concern, of course"
Just couldn't help yourself, Reason...
The Census Bureau reports the new census results, and Republicans pounce.
"To be sure..."
Seems odd that the DoJ is going to go after Texas over districting but not, say, Maryland or Illinois.
Gerrymandering per se isn't a violation of federal laws. Gerrymandering to reduce the voting strength of particular ethnic and racial groups (no, white people don't count, silly), on the other hand, is.
No mention of the plan being put forward by some in Garrett, Allegany and Washington counties (in the Appalachian western panhandle of Maryland) to secede from Maryland and join West Virginia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/maryland-counties-west-virginia-request.html
On the one hand, I understand that you can't change the borders of a state without that state's consent, but on the other hand, there's West Virginia. I don't believe they asked Virginia for permission to leave.
Maybe the bigger question is whether counties can be forced to stay in a state against their will.
Well that has been batted around at least since Rosco Bartlet got districted-out 10 years ago. Can't read the NYT link but any new development there or same hopes and dreams of Western Marylanders for awhile now?
When I used to work in Garrett a few occasionally talked about it. Route 68 was made to help the mountain folks feel connected to those “down state.”
And folks up there rooted for the Steelers instead of the Ravens.
Bad taste in football is no reason to stick them with David Trone as their rep.
Last night not withstanding.
Culturally, they are more western PA and WV than central Maryland.
Some years back, Maryland began upgrading its major wastewater plants to remove nutrients from the effluent. This was/is to clean up the Chesapeake Bay. Folks connected to “city sewer” would see the costs on their bills. Anyone on a septic system was imposed an annual fee since they didn’t get a sewer bill. The argument is that they too are discharging nutrients into the Chesapeake Bay watershed. And instead of going after pseudo non-point sources such as individual leachfields, more bang for the buck to reduce them at the major facilities. But much if western Maryland is not in the Chesapeake Bay watershed. Folks out there protested. Annapolis said that since those people sometimes come to central Maryland to shop and for entertainment, they still needed to pay the fee.
TL;DR, "FYTW".
"No mention of the plan being put forward by some in Garrett, Allegany and Washington counties (in the Appalachian western panhandle of Maryland) to secede from Maryland and join West Virginia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/maryland-counties-west-virginia-request.html
On the one hand, I understand that you can't change the borders of a state without that state's consent, but on the other hand, there's West Virginia. I don't believe they asked Virginia for permission to leave.
Maybe the bigger question is whether counties can be forced to stay in a state against their will."
It'll never happen Ken. There's a smug satisfaction in Central Maryland that the dumb hicks out west and on the Shore are being subjugated. The Bethesda people love going north and west to the wineries and breweries, and clogging up the better parts of the C&O Canal with their spawn. The Shore is just as bad. Frederick County, which used to be the sticks, is planning on building 70,000 new homes in the next 5 years.
Maryland is sadly becoming an overpopulated hellhole, just like Northern Virginia. I left all of that behind and moved to southwest Virginia. At least my vote means something here.
WV never left the Union. It started as the part of VA that did not secede. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restored_Government_of_Virginia gave itself permission to split the Commonwealth.
Seen from the right angle, VA is the new state. 🙂
Yeah, that's sophistry, nothing more.
Constitutionally, counties don’t exist as independent sovereigns; they are just political subdivisions of the state.
Actually, they did. Well, to be precise, the General Assembly of the "Restored Government" of Virginia (made up primarily of delegates from the western counties of Virginia) voted overwhelmingly to give Virginia's consent to the separation of the western counties of Virginia into the new state of West Virginia. When West Virginia got admitted to the Union, there weren't many members left in the General Assembly of the Restored Government of Virginia (since the only delegates were from areas under Union control). But after Appomattox, it was that Restored Government that moved to Richmond and took over the government of the Commonwealth. (Much, I suppose, the way that the Legislative Yuan of Taiwan would move to Nanjing and become the legislature of China if we ever whipped the Chincoms and unleashed Chiang Kai-shek's successors onto the mainland.)
Monarchy is a state run by a monarch.
We keep having the media and colleges change the meaning of words.
Now a democracy is a state run by Democrats.
+5
I'll tell the story again. Tom Murphy was the long-time Democratic House Speaker here in Georgia (third longest tenure in US history) and when he was criticized for his blatant gerrymandering simply replied that the Republicans could go to hell, that if they wanted anything out of him they should have voted Democrat. This was printed in the Atlanta Journal Constitution as sort of a "Chuckle of the Day" piece demonstrating the sharp wit of that old scalawag, Tom Murphy. Once the Republicans took over (my suspicion is that this was a direct result of dead voters having not yet figured out how to operate the new electronic voting machines) suddenly the AJC was publishing these thumb-sucking pieces on how necessary it was to come up with a neutral and non-partisan and fair process for re-apportionment.
Once the Republicans took over (my suspicion is that this was a direct result of dead voters having not yet figured out how to operate the new electronic voting machines) suddenly the AJC was publishing these thumb-sucking pieces on how necessary it was to come up with a neutral and non-partisan and fair process for re-apportionment.
Whenever Democrats complain about "divisiveness" or "fairness," it simply means a Republican is beating them.
Ultimately, the solution isn't to worry about gerrymandering, but end the United States, which is clearly at the end of its service life, and allow these regions to go their own way.
Why even have districts in the first place?
Parties can just run slates of electors, and voters can vote for the slate.
If a party gets X% of the vote, then the party gets X% of the representatives assigned to the state.
Not completely opposed...but what do I do as a citizen? Right now I know which Congresscritter to yell at. She sets up shop in my civic park every few years to shill for my vote. She is, ostensibly, accountable to me as *my* representative.
If we change that to 6 randos who are merely accountable to what LA and San Francisco have voted for, how has that improved things?
I can’t speak for Los Angeles, but San Francisco has NO randos! None whatsoever!
Because cytotoxic, just like the ignorant cunt CE just above, wants an all-powerful central government with no local representation because he's a stupid, totalitarian piece of shit. He also doesn't really understand US congressional elections since he's a Canadian and barely comprehends the rudiments of his own country's voting system.
Perhaps expanding the size of the House would achieve the same result = If a party gets X% of the vote, then the party gets X% of the representatives assigned to the state
Me personally...I would pair expansion of the House with returning the selection of Senators to state legislatures (no more direct election of Senators) via repeal of the 17th amendment. But that will never happen, sadly.
The 17th Amendment was one of the great mistakes in our history.
The Senate isn't meant to represent the voters.
19th worse. there are only 100 senators
Why even have districts in the first place?
Because the US is unequal in population, interests, taxation, and ultimately culture.
Okay? I'm not suggesting national slates of candidates, just slates for each state.
God you're an ignoramus in everything you post about. So you want to give total control of who the representatives are over to the party leadership? That is your proposal with the votes only changing the apportionment. Party over the people for Jeff it seems.
And once again you deliberately choose a bad-faith interpretation of my suggestion. Been taking lessons from Jesse?
Right now, party leadership chooses who is their candidate for the district. In the vast majority of cases, the party leadership makes this choice via the result of a party primary or caucus. None of that would change under my suggestion. But of course you had to make it seem far more sinister than it really was. Gee I wonder why.
No, SJIN merely pointed out the universally acknowledged consequence of adopting a system of proportional representation (which is literally what you proposed).
There is a tendency on the left to believe that everyone supports them no matter what, and when they don't win they need to come up with excuses. Be it "Gerrymandering", or "right wing blah blah blah", it's all someone else's fault, not theirs.
Even now, as they are about to be clobbered last year, I've seen multiple pieces from democratic 'strategists' talking about 'branding'. See, the problem isn't our ideas suck and people don't like them! No... it's all a marketing problem! Yeah, that's it.
See, our everyone would vote for us if they just knew what they were voting for. And We would always win if not for gerrymandering!
*cloberred next year
But last election still works. It's not that hillary was terrible and most people didn't like her. No! It's.... RUSSIA!
Seriously, their inability to realize that most people hated hillary and nominated her anyway....
It's gonna be even worse when Harris runs for president. It's not that she's a terrible politician, completely fake and manufactured, and completely incompetent.... No! It's all these damn RACISTS! and Sexists! Harris isn't bad, they are!
The biggest democratic party error is publishing their party platform on the web where everybody can find it and read it.
Doesn't seem to hobble them *that* much...
Every state already has local administrative districts called "counties" or "parishes" or the like. Congressional districts should be required to be drawn on county lines, and contain adjacent counties only. If there's a huge population disparity caused by that, a county bordering the next Congressional district should be allowed to be split only on a major state or county road, so people living in the county know which district they live in without zooming in on a map.
Maryland is a fucking shithole. The eastern shore should break away and be its own entity. And the western 3 counties should join West Virginia.
I have a word for the author: REDMAP.
Larry Hogan won the last gubernatorial election with 54% of the votes, with the Democrat getting 43% or so, and only one of eight congressional districts Is Republican. I’d say gerrymandering is alive and well in Maryland.
Robert Ehrlich (R) won too. But that was because the Dems ran Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Think of Dee and that was KKT.
The population centers are Baltimore, Baltimore suburbs and DC suburbs. Those places typically vote deep blue.
Given that the partisan “Teams” referenced in the article have actually morphed into Tribes, any “re-districting” scheme should create serious reservations.
You must be some sort of "Indian giver", if you expect (in exchange for your votes) that politicians will insist on a "level playing field" for themselves and their tribes! NO "level playing fields" here, and NO "burying the hatchet"... Just never-ending tribal warfare! Let's go and wampum us some butts AND some scalps, for Our Tribe! The Great Spirit wants us to be full of Great Spite!
I see what you did there.
the life-as-never-ending-high-school angle of this nonsense is so stupid "ooh we're so fucking cool look what we did. technically correct is so awesome! other-side high will never win the big game now"
Wow, what Democrats are doing here sounds awful. Seems like Republicans should get on board with Democrats' attempts to make this sort of this illegal.
Please propose any rational, workable proposal that would accomplish such a thing, and I will consider lending it my support. However, these attempts have all been either for-show only or completely toothless.
To me, the best way to deal with gerrymandering is to establish, by state law, rules or boundaries on the district drawing. Things like a district must not encompass two groups of people with more than 20 miles of unpopulated space between them. It must be contiguous. Etc.
That’s the best way to bound gerrymandering. Trying to remove it completely, like through an “independent” bureaucracy, will create bigger issues. Like giving democrats a target to swarm and subvert and corrupt into another deep state apparatus where voters have no power to remove it.
> Things like a district must not encompass two groups of people with more than 20 miles of unpopulated space between them.
You live back east, don't you?
We've got counties bigger than some of those states back there. And some of them have more than 20 miles of space between *individual people*.
Haha, the only time Democrats ever concern themselves with this is when they're not in charge. The ones in Colorado are kicking themselves for getting an independent commission installed in 2010, and now that the state basically became East California in the last ten years, they realized they actually lost the chance to install a permanent majority by doing so.
Hey, just googled your screen name and--surprise, surprise--you're playing the old "schools aren't teaching CRT, but we should teach white people how much they suck, er, about 'disparate impacts'" game.
Look, tankie, I don't mind that you have so much self-loathing as a white leftist. But do the logical thing and the country a favor, and neck yourself for the sin of your skin color, rather than demand that every other white person hate themselves as much has you do.
Remember Reason supported Biden and still can't admit the Democrat's are trying to establish a dictatorship.
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump's Big Lie and Hitler's: Is this how America's slide into totalitarianism begins?
So you mean to say that Trump is a DEMOCRAT?!?!? Did you say dictatorship, or did you say Trumptatorshit?!?!
OK, that DOES kinda explain a LOT of things! Trump is "Team D"!!! OK then!!!
Well, "The Big Lie" is what the Nazis accused their political opponents of. That is, your analogy places the Democrats in the position of Hitler and the Nazis. Which is, of course, something we can agree on.
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." Joseph Stalin
Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/william_tecumseh_sherman_101113
Der TrumpfenFuhrer CLEARLY agrees with Stalin, and NOT so much with American voters! THAT is why it is that Der TrumpfenFuhrer focuses on COUNTING the votes, rather than EARNING the votes!
Yes. And the deciding votes were counted by corrupt, left wing operatives in inner cities. Hence, the concern about US election integrity.
I'm sure our nonpartisan DoJ will be all over this, like they are the Texas redistricting, right?
No, the real threat to the USA is in permitting any of the party of traitors, the majority of whose officials supported that seditious treasonous terrorist Trumps plotted coup, to hold any office whatsoever. We need to see tens of millions of treason arrests, swift trials, and then the full penalty of the law applied to each and every one of these Republicans.
Oh, sure, the democrats are socialists and that's bad but if I have the choice between a socialist and the treasonous National Socialist Republican party I know whom to pick.
yes sarcastrated, you pick your ass with one hand then your nose with the other than you switch.
Haha, if a soft marshmallow like Kyle Rittenhouse could take out your allies with that kind of surgical precision, what do you think is going to happen if you and yours really try going off the chain?
You can either go away, or go in the ground. Take your pick.
I can't tell again: is that sarcasm or is it stupidity?
I had the same question.
"I have the choice between a socialist and the treasonous National Socialist Republican party..."
Do you have any Representative Republic in stock?
Hi, Sadly no. I vote Libertarian instead.
I really doubt that, quite honestly.
Way to write an article about a serious problem - if one cares about voter disenfranchisement - in a way that will primarily create cynicism and thus promote the status quo. This guy knows what's going on and says so, but the "what aboutism" serves to make his comments limp thrusts.
Here's the facts: Yes, both parties have and will gerrymander to serve their parties interest. The problem art present is a heavily GOP problem as they are much more effective at it right now (Florida's elections have been by hairline margins for the last 20+ plus years, but the GOP controls 2/3s of the state and congressional seats). There is only one party that is trying end the practice - the same one trying to get outsized advantages for the rich and labor unions to influence our elections - and it's the Democrats with their current voting rights bill. Don't give them a medal, but in our interests as voters, support this effort. Your ox could be up next.
No, no they are not. That bill is a partisan pile of national-level gerrymandering itself.
Democrats aren't trying to end the practice of gerrymandering, they are trying to transfer the power to gerrymander to individuals and groups they can more easily control even in majority Republican states.
I don't see a problem at all. We don't have proportional representation in Congress, and gerrymandering and the biases it introduces are an integral part of the US political system.
NOYB, the House is supposed to be proportional. No doubt Republicans - thought this was a lIbertarian board? - have to come up with justification for their rule bending based on their inability to win votes - you've lost 7 pf the last 8 popular votes for President and GOP senators haven't represented a majority of Americans since 1996, when they barely did. Yeah, yeah, I know, you see some supposed plan for all this by the founders, except that wasn't their plan. If you think so, tell me how Kerry would have been a wise choice of our system if he had won 60k more votes in Ohio and thus the presidency, while not winning the national vote.
Cope, seethe, and dilate.
It's supposed to be proportional to the size of the states, which it is. There is nothing that says that it needs to be proportional to race or ideology.
Both parties have been gerrymandering like crazy.
I'm not sure who you mean by "you". I'm not a Republican. I used to be a Democrat. These days, I think Americans as a whole deserve to go to hell in a hand basket.
The plan of the Founders was a lose association of states with subsidiarity, free trade, common defense, and free movement of people between them. That also happens to be how libertarians like to see the US function.
Republicans and Democrats joined forces and pissed on that, so the US is now destined to become another gigantic authoritarian sh*thole.
That concludes today's lesson on libertarianism. I hope you enjoy your awful future: you deserve to get what you want, good and hard. It's what democracy is all about!
NYOB, thanks for clarifying your lack of interest in maintaining and improving our democracy by sustaining and increasing the fair representation of our citizens in our government. It explains a lot.
It's not a democracy, Barbie Jack.
Oh, I agree with you that "increasing the fair representation of our citizens in our government" would "maintain and improve our democracy". It would make it even more like the kind of democracy found in the Soviet Union and East Germany. The kind you obviously like.
I strongly object to that kind of "democracy" at the federal level. The federal government should be limited to national defense, external trade, and ensuring the free movement of goods and services within the US.
So, yes, we are in full agreement, Joe: you want a dictatorship of the proletariat governing the entire nation and I do not.
There's not such thing as a "popular vote for President", but even if there was, geesh:
Democrats have only managed to get a majority of of US voters to vote for their President in 3 of the last 11 elections, while Republicans have done it 4 times.
Democrats getting a majority of US voters to support their Presidential candidate is actually the least likely outcome in the past 40 years!
Nonpartisan redistricting committees are a lot like nonpartisan school boards.
Yeah, pretty much anything "nonpartisan" immediately gets filled by progressive zealots with nothing better to do than micromanage your life.
So what? The US isn't governed by majoritarianism. State governments traditionally had a lot of power over the federal government through the Senate; these days, they have a small amount of influence on the House through redistricting. I don't see that as inherently bad.
In addition, the Democrats may be overplaying their hand and miscalculating; their maps apparently assume pretty safe Democratic majorities. If those get slimmer, they may be stuck with a map that hurts them badly.
At the rate they're burning minorities, I think the Kool-Aid has changed flavors.
Its time to do away with congressional districts. Let's elect senators and house reps in state-wide events. The top two vote getters can be senators, and the rest can fill the house seats. (And that would make the house even more interesting, i.e. flaky.)
US states are bigger and more powerful than most nation states on the planet.
Your scheme will basically amount to depriving large parts of each state of representation and get us close to majoritarian rule. In what possible way is that a good solution?
I have a better idea: instead of gerrymandering and haphazardly assigning people to communities they aren't really part of, let's go from 50 states to 200 states so that people can sort themselves out by ideology and lifestyle preferences into individual states.
And while we're at it, let's devolve most power and taxation back to the states.
Roscoe fucking Bartlett
But Raskin's critiques are wrong. States like Virginia and Pennsylvania have demonstrated this time and again. People move. Political alliances shift. Demographics change. Perceived importance of issues changes. As a result, what looks like an impenetrable blue or red district can completely shift by the end of the decade.
Democrats PROJECTING their own mentality again I see.
Blaming everyone else for their own evil intentions.
What's new?
Have you ever heard of project REDMAP you dumbass?
Acting as if this is a Democrat projection is absurd. Man, how you idiots manage to put pants on is a surprise to me.
^Point & Case right there.
Gerrymandering is a problem no matter what state and what controlling party is doing the gerrymandering. Let start by agree that no state legislatures are drawing maps, they are merely accepting maps drawn by a third party. The third parties are using big data and computers to optimize the map to the controlling parties wishes. My suggestion is the the following:
1. Companies hired to draw maps should be independent of the parties. They should not have other contracts with the parties. This may be hard to achieve as companies that do this work usually have party ties as legal consul or consultatnts.
2. All contracts with companies must be public information and must disclose the specifications used for selecting districts in the the submitted maps.
I’m neutral on gerrymandering. I’ve seen good arguments for AND against.
Florida had it in the ballot one year and the Democrats were vociferous over ending it. I did some research and learned that the most gerrymandered district by Florida’s Republican legislature was a district that followed several cities’ MLK Blvd into one district, making it majority black - and the district had been responsible for launching the first black Florida legislator since reconstruction.
So I no longer have strong feelings on it. The loser will bitch and the winner will gerrymander the shit out of the state. The only thing that will change is who is the loser and who is the winner. And it does change.
One thing I know for certain is I do not want unelected bureaucrats ultimately responsible for it. Hell no. Absolutely not. I don’t care if legislators farm it out, elected officials are STILL responsible for it. Unelected bureaucrats are NOT neutral. Our Federal Government’s Marxist, Communist, Progressive behemoth of bureaucracy that stymies the elected will of THE PEOPLE with no recourse is proof that this idea should be rejected with severe prejudice.
Quick question, if you don't want it farmed out to appointed people. How about a board elected specifically for the purpose? Today legislatures are voting on their own districts, which seems a conflict of interest. Take away that conflict. Every ten years, each state will elect a 5-member board of individuals to oversee the redistricting process. Because it is statewide election it will mostly closely reflect the distribution of voters by party preference. Once elected the board must conduct all work in full public view.
Except they've generally been against gerrymandering and doing it in their favor (save Maryland, perhaps Illinois) and get slaughtered all the same. If Republicans won't stop then it makes absolutely zero sense for the Democrats to stop (see Ohio or other absolutely insane gerrymandered areas, even with laws against it.)
The only real solution is federal law to prohibit it but they all think they stand to gain enough that they'll never consider it (not to mention uncapping the House from its paltry number that should never have been limited back in 1929.)
It's a problem that could be solved but most likely won't. Until then, this kind of bs will continue on both sides.
Except they've generally been against gerrymandering and doing it in their favor (save Maryland, perhaps Illinois) and get slaughtered all the same.
LOL at this goonfiction. Democrats gerrymander in every state that they control.
If Republicans won't stop then it makes absolutely zero sense for the Democrats to stop
If Democrats won't stop then it makes absolutely zero sense for the Republicans to stop.
"a claim that's been advanced not only by Democrats like Raskin but even by The New York Times recently."
Wow, *even* the New York Times?? How noteworthy!
The Times aligning with Democrats? *Even* that?? What *are* things coming to?
"It's true that Democratic gerrymanders are a bit harder to pull off since the party's current political coalition tends to be concentrated in cities and thus easy targets for "packing" into deep blue vote sinks."
Um, or perhaps the whole *concept* of districts is so that localities can be represented, without everything being decided by a few densely populated cities.
No serious person thinks Democrats should do anything but gerrymander the fuck out of whatever they can get their hands on.
If it were me, I'd be closing polling stations outside urban areas, impeaching every single judge or justice appointed by the traitor Trump, and emptying prisons of drug dealers to make room for Republicans who supported the coup.
And then I think Democrats should cheat. They're going to be accused of it, so they might as well do it. Let's lie in the bed Newt Gingrich soiled, why don't we?
^Confessions of a Democrat; The true desire for Nazism.
Gerrymandering is a tool that both the democrats and republicans (Republicrats\Demolicans) use when they are in power.
Instead, why not break up the states into Counties. Best case scenario dissolve the federal government and state government or severely limit their power.
In lieu of this give each County a percentage of the vote based on population. From a field of candidates apply the County winner the percentage of the vote that County has. Then if a state has 10 representatives then top ten candidates would be elected.
This could potentially include a ranked choice element at the County level, but the County second choice could be applied to the final 10 choices when there is not a clear result.
Just some ideas to think about to end gerrymandering and return power back to the local County level.
Local governance is much preferable to larger bodies. I can walk to my Local City hall and talk to the mayor, but would get detained if I tried to talk to the state governor and would be locked up if I tried to talk to the federal president.
Let's Go Brandon!