'QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley Gets 41 Months in Prison
Plus: Detroit schools close on Fridays just because, Scott Alexander offers a plausible ivermectin theory, and more...

Jacob Chansley, the horned, shirtless figure known as the QAnon Shaman who participated in the mob storming the Capitol on January 6, was sentenced to 41 months in prison for his part in the riot.
If a 3.5-year sentence sounds harsh for what was ultimately a nonviolent charge—obstructing an official proceeding in Congress—consider that Chansley has already spent the past several months in jail in solitary confinement.
He got 41 months in prison, after already spending 10 months in solitary confinement.
Only a sick, punitive society imprisons non-violent protesters for years in harsh conditions -- or one that regards particular ideologies as inherently criminal: https://t.co/GvyYTQ07mK
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 17, 2021
According to NPR:
Before announcing his sentence, Judge Lamberth told Chansley he believes that his remorse is genuine and heartfelt, but he also told Chansley that "what you did was terrible."
He said Chansley had made the right decision to plead guilty and take responsibility for his actions, instead of going to trial where he faced a much longer possible sentence.
"You were facing 20 years, Mr. Chansley. The one advantage you get here is you're only facing now 41 months," Lamberth said. "It may not feel it today, but let me guarantee you, you were smart and did the right thing."
The sentenced handed down was less than the 51 months the Justice Department had recommended for Chansley, whom prosecutors described as the "flag bearer" of the Capitol riot.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Kimberly Paschall told the court at the start of the hearing that such a sentence was necessary "to send a strong message" to Chansley and anyone who would wish to do harm to the country.
Chansley felt he had no choice but to accept the plea deal that came with that 41-month sentence, of course, because he couldn't risk a trial that could send him to prison for 20 years. This is the sad reality of the criminal justice system: Defendants often plead guilty in order to avoid absurdly long mandatory sentences, and are thus denied the opportunity to actually attempt to prove their innocence before a jury of their peers.
The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners, and they are certainly not heroes. They committed trespassing and broke other laws, and it's legitimate for the government to prosecute them. But this sentence is too harsh; Chansley did not commit a violent crime, and is certainly unlikely to re-offend. If prosecutors disagree, they should have to prove that to a jury: Unfortunately, the threat of an even lengthier sentence prompts most defendants to fall in line.
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Scott Alexander has penned the definitive summary of the available evidence on ivermectin as an effective COVID-19 therapeutic. Writing for his Substack, Astral Codex Ten, Alexander argues that many of the ivermectin studies involved unreliable methodologies or should be dismissed for other reasons. But others appear to hold up, and his ultimate conclusion is that ivermectin does seem to provide a very, very small but measurable benefit for patients infected with COVID-19.
Alexander notes, however, that the studies where ivermectin appeared to do the most good seem to be concentrated in certain parts of the world—India, Bangladesh—with higher-than-average intestinal worm problems. His theory—and it's a very good one—is that ivermectin doesn't directly improve COVID-19 outcomes: Rather, these studies were disproportionately likely to include patients suffering from worms, which had rendered their immune systems less able to fight off other infections. Since ivermectin is highly effective at fighting worms, it indirectly resulted in an improvement over the placebo group by helping patients overcome their intestinal worms—a not insignificant boon in their simultaneous battles against COVID-19. Alexander explains:
Treatment of worm infections might reduce the negative effect of COVID-19! And ivermectin is a deworming drug! You can see where this is going…
The most relevant species of worm here is the roundworm Strongyloides stercoralis. Among the commonest treatments for COVID-19 is corticosteroids, a type of immunosuppresant drug. The types of immune responses it suppresses do more harm than good in coronavirus, so turning them off limits collateral damage and makes patients better on net. But these are also the types of immune responses that control Strongyloides. If you turn them off even very briefly, the worms multiply out of control, you get what's called "Strongyloides hyperinfection", and pretty often you die. According to the WHO:
The current COVID-19 pandemic serves to highlight the risk of using systemic corticosteroids and, to a lesser extent, other immunosuppressive therapy, in populations with significant risk of underlying strongyloidiasis. Cases of strongyloidiasis hyperinfection in the setting of corticosteroid use as COVID-19 therapy have been described and draw attention to the necessity of addressing the risk of iatrogenic strongyloidiasis hyperinfection syndrome in infected individuals prior to corticosteroid administration.
Although this has gained importance in the midst of a pandemic where corticosteroids are one of few therapies shown to improve mortality, its relevance is much broader given that corticosteroids and other immunosuppressive therapies have become increasingly common in treatment of chronic diseases (e.g. asthma or certain rheumatologic conditions).
So you need to "address the risk" of strongyloides infection during COVID treatment in roundworm-endemic areas. And how might you address this, WHO?
Treatment of chronic strongyloidiasis with ivermectin 200 µg/kg per day orally x 1-2 days is considered safe with potential contraindications including possible Loa loa infection (endemic in West and Central Africa), pregnancy, and weight <15kg.
Given ivermectin's safety profile, the United States has utilized presumptive treatment with ivermectin for strongyloidiasis in refugees resettling from endemic areas, and both Canada and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control have issued guidance on presumptive treatment to avoid hyperinfection in at risk populations. Screening and treatment, or where not available, addition of ivermectin to mass drug administration programs should be studied and considered.
This is serious and common enough that, if you're not going to screen for it, it might be worth "add[ing] ivermectin to mass drug administration programs" in affected areas!
The good ivermectin trials in areas with low Strongyloides prevalence, like Vallejos in Argentina, are mostly negative. The good ivermectin trials in areas with high Strongyloides prevalence, like Mahmud in Bangladesh, are mostly positive.
Alexander notes that he's only about 50 percent confident in his hypothesis. He could be wrong, of course. But it's quite an elegant solution to the ivermectin riddle.
Reason's Ronald Bailey has written that ivermectin is clearly "not a miracle cure," though it might have some marginal efficacy.
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Detroit's public school district will move to virtual education on Fridays in December, in part because administrators think additional time to clean the buildings will help slow the spread of COVID-19. According to Chalkbeat:
The Detroit school district is moving to remote instruction for three Fridays in December in an effort to slow the spread of COVID and give the staff time to deep clean schools.
The move was announced Wednesday on the district's web site. It comes as the state is leading the nation in new COVID cases.
Superintendent Nikolai Vitti said in that statement that he and the school board made the decision "after listening and reflecting on the concerns of school-based leaders, teachers, support staff, students, and families regarding the need for mental health relief, rising COVID cases, and time to more thoroughly clean schools."
Learning will move online on Dec. 3, Dec. 10, and Dec. 17.
Cleaning schools more thoroughly will not slow the spread of COVID-19. No matter how desperate some education officials are to pretend otherwise, scrubbing down surfaces is a component of COVID-19 hygiene theater. The disease primarily spreads via people expelling respiratory droplets at each other. Virus particles do not survive on surfaces for long.
Moreover, the extremely small benefit of more cleaning is more than canceled out by the massive drawback of additional school closures. Students who had to deal with virtual school for a year are suffering significant pandemic-related learning losses; at this point, given that COVID-19 poses very little threat to kids, schools must fight to stay open as much as possible.
Unfortunately, some schools would sooner close than deal with reality. A middle school in Oregon has decided to shut down for three weeks "to address student fights and misbehaviors." The New York Times' Michelle Goldberg correctly characterized this as a school "closing to deal with the catastrophic fallout of school closures."
Detroit's public schools aren't the only ones closing, either. In Southfield, a suburb of Detroit, students will be virtual on Fridays through January.
Children in the Detroit public schools, whose 50K enrollment is 3% white, will attend school only 4 days/week next month. This follows a similar move in the heavily Black suburb of Southfield. Striking to see such inequity become normalized after the year-plus of remote learning. https://t.co/TjkdmYgivU
— Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) November 17, 2021
If public schools refuse to actually do the job of educating children and providing day care services for working parents, then families should be able to withdraw their per-pupil funds and spend these education dollars where they would actually do some good.
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He got 41 months in prison, after already spending 10 months in solitary confinement.
Too bad they didn’t shoot him in the face, amirite guys?
Famous legal expert, White Mike, has clearly stated that the penalty for trespassing is a bullet to the head.
Actually, White Mike assured me, just a couple of days ago, that the suggestion that there were people who regarded trespassing like Chansley's as "a violent attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, [which] should be punished by years in prison" was a strawman. So I'm sure that Mike will be among the first calling for reduction in Chansley's sentence.
I’m White Mike, right? Here is what I actually wrote about Chansley’s sentence yesterday, right in this comment thread:
https://reason.com/2021/11/18/jacob-chansley-qanon-shaman-41-months-january-6-capitol/?comments=true#comment-9216283
Not at all, what you claim I would say. Thanks, but I don’t need a spokesman.
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Since people who support and oppose the current government have engaged is such lawlessness, the fact only those opposing the current regime are held as prisoners makes them political prisoners.
When you call them "dissidents", which they clearly are, Mike Laursen loses it.
That's probably the angriest I've ever seen him.
The fact that the "peaceful protesters" and their allies have repeatedly done the same trespass in the same buildings and done far more damage but were treated with kid gloves makes them political prisoners. If they had burned the Capitol building to the ground in the name of BLM they would have been home with no record before the end of the week.
Not just no record....hailed as American heroes standing up for the rights of freedom of speech and peaceable assembly.
And the other way as well. Given the media's, including Reason, comparative treatment of fire-starting dissidents who were picked up *in unmarked vehicles*, held, and released less than 24 hrs. later, even "they are not political prisoners" assessment looks like pretty broad persecution.
Ciaramella, Tuccille, Sullum, even Rommelman a bit, were there, shoulder-to-shoulder, with Dalmia.
One side gets non-lethal munitions, at range, to the head, the other gets no-shit bullets to the head nearly point blank. One side gets 90 minutes detention while a building is on fire and the other gets charged 41 mos. for *srolls up* obstructing Congressional proceedings. One side gets Reason's simping for them virtually out of the gate, the other gets a lamented, "they aren't criminals, but they aren't heroes" 10 mos. later.
Libertarian case for punishing protesters harshly.
Oh good. We get to see sarc gleefully attack Nardz defending this abuse of jail time for a non violent offense again.
Kudos for Reason taking the right direction on this travesty.
41 months, 10 in solitary is an abuse for any non violent crime.
Especially a crime that was essentially out-of-control political protest. 4 years for a political protest. It's a travesty.
How they could even threaten him with 20 years is amazing to me.
They just completed a coup. Repressive measures against dissidents is par for the course in these situations.
^
They do keep acting like they cheated last election.
“The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners”
Agreed it was good to see Robbie’s overall stance, but this statement is false.
He still wants to be accepted by the collective.
10 months in solitary for a nonviolent trespass on public property charge when the people prosecuting you encouraged the exact same behavior two years earlier (Kavanaugh hearings) makes you a political prisoner.
Fuck Joe Biden
It's totalitarianism.
Pay attention.
If I were involved in that fiasco, especially someone as recognizable as this guy, I wouldn't want to risk it with a 90% democrat-voting DC jury, either.
Hey, i was right about Sarc defending the sentence which he claimed he didn't do yesterday. See this thread. Hilarious.
Sarc yesterday, read all his claims. Of course now today's outburst counters what he claimed he didn't say yesterday.
https://reason.com/2021/11/17/new-york-times-writer-sarah-jeong-says-inflation-in-the-news-is-just-rich-people-flipping-their-shit/?comments=true#comment-9215080
Or, over on VC, Sarcastr0 twisting in pretzels claiming that being in solitary confinement for 8+ months without a trial is normal, because he found a group of folks jailed for a few months.
He was always an ass too. The funny thing is both sarcs named themselves after sarcasm but both are horrendous at it.
Where did I claim that?
Peek a Boo.
Learn to read idiot.
Lying asshole.
That’s for sarc the lying asshole
JesseAZ, maybe = 41 months, 10 in solitary is an abuse for any non violent crime
Maybe I am old school. The way I was raised, there are just some things you don't do. And if you do them, you're in a shitload of trouble. Disrupting Congress while they're in session is one of those things. It is not Ok - ever - to disrupt Congress like that. We cannot tolerate that behavior, regardless of who does it. You and I know: If you tolerate something, you will get more of it. There is a line between peaceful, non-violent political protest....and what we saw on January 6th. That line was crossed, and it is appropriate to punish that.
41 months (3.5 years) is too much, I would agree. But two years (24 months) added onto the 10 months served seems about right to me.
What Jacob Chansley did was wrong, and he must be punished for that.
Why do you not ever disrupt Congress? Why are they special?
So all those dumb protestor ms in Handmaid outfits should be in solitary too?
IF, IF, IF I were to agree that "we cannot tolerate that behavior" then we should not tolerate that behavior. Do you remember how George Bush had his SOTU speeches constantly disrupted by Code Pink crazies? How about all the congressional hearings that are disrupted by protestors? Now, Commenter, have THOSE people been thrown in solitary for months before a harsh sentence?
Because it really seems to me that this standard of "behavior that MUST NOT BE TOLERATED" has actually been tolerated for decades, and only now are people standing up and sternly speaking about lines that must not be crossed.
I must admit that I don't know the specifics of what Chansley did vs many other people that day, but it is my understanding that many people were just let into the capital and were walking through- not realizing that there was an actual break in. Was Chansley doing something special that makes him different than the people who constantly disrupted congress in previous years? Did he assault someone? Did he vandalize something? Did he uniquely threaten a congress critter?
The new videos show explicitly that, that they were let in. Which is why the DoJ only released them after court rulings.
Because it really seems to me that this standard of "behavior that MUST NOT BE TOLERATED" has actually been tolerated for decades, and only now are people standing up and sternly speaking about lines that must not be crossed.
Overt, I cannot recall a single instance in American history where a political protest ever disrupted the congressional session to affirm the electoral count and formally elect the POTUS. That is what cannot be tolerated. They do that shit in banana republics, not in the United States of America.
We can disagree on the severity of punishment. Where we should not disagree is that there should be punishment.
Do you consider disrupting affirming EC votes significantly worse than a Supreme Court Justice confirmation?
Yeah, I do. That does not change the fact that both instances are wrong and both instances merit punishment. We should not tolerate that kind of behavior. There is a right way to express dissent and peacefully protest in civil society; and there is a wrong way. The Kavenaugh hearings and January 6th were both the wrong way.
Are you aware that those constitutional scholars say the election audit done by congress isn't even needed? The certifications can be sent without being in session.
Likewise it was disrupted for under an hour and they had 2 more weeks to complete. There is no deadline aside from jan 20th for the certifications.
And by the way. There were protestors in 2016 also.
So you hold the executive branch above the judicial?
No; the three branches are equal. You present a false choice.
Congress has been disrupted often. They are not your betters. They are servants of the public. What do you actually think the terms of that "crime" should be? 2 years?? That is insane. Kavanaugh hearings saw zero days given for those disruptions. There were disruptions during certifications in 2016 as well. There was zero delay in any transition from those protests. Nothing was effected except politician's sensibilities. 2 years?!?! That's insane.
Except this was never the standard as demonstrated by the numerous times leftwing crazies have disrupted congress without penalties. So no, this is purely out of political malice.
Sure was lucky for some people that the 'disruption' prevented the world from seeing evidence of election shenanigans.
41 months to flatten the nerve.
LOL...nicely done. 🙂
Shaman, meet The Man.
More like: "Say hello to my little friend..."
Jacob Chansley, the horned, shirtless figure known as the QAnon Shaman who participated in the mob storming the Capitol on January 6, was sentenced to 41 months in prison for his part in the riot.
Shouldn't he be referred to as The Horned, Shirtless Figure Previously Known As James Chansley? After all, he says he's not the man that he was on Januaryv6th.
Jacob Chansley, that is. And what is his squiggly figure that identifies him now?
Did Chansley have to read a prepared statement swearing fealty to Biden and denouncing Trump? I recall they let other protesters do that and they got reduced sentences.
He was to visible in the coverage. If Nancy Pelosi was queen, he’d be hung in the square.
Can you provide a cite of someone having to read a prepared statement swearing fealty to Biden and denouncing Trump?
Go look for it yourself you lazy fuck.
I didn't see anything. Maybe you can help?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=protestors+sworn+statement+january+6
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=prepared+statement+swearing+fealty+to+Biden+and+denouncing+Trump
Neither of those searches, when I run them, shows a cite like I asked for. If you have a cite, please provide it here.
I provide cites when I am asked, without being coy about it.
Cite?
No you don't.
Die painfully
I’m sorry. Looks like maybe you were not disagreeing with me. I have Don’t look at me muted so I can’t see what he said.
Don't look at me! November.18.2021 at 10:12 am
Go look for it yourself you lazy fuck.
Oh, wonderful. So sorry I had that muted. 🙂
Funny thing is I always try to provide a cite when someone asks for one.
You have never, ever, ever done this. Not even once.
It's your rhetorical trick for inferring dishonesty on the part of the other commenter, without risking anything.
If the person doesn't see his citation request, or can't be bothered to look it up, they then look dishonest. If the person does post the cite, White Mike thanks them, and pretends he was merely curious.
On its own it may seem innocuous, but he'll do it several times a day in almost every comment thread, and only with stances he opposes politically.
...And when asked himself to provide citations he will never reciprocate.
"Funny thing is I always try to provide a cite when someone asks for one."
For the benefit of the thread, Mike is lying here. He is a completely dishonest troll who blatantly lies ALL the time. He does this because he is hoping that if you are a drive by reader, you will think he is just a reasonable, middle of the road guy.
https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/?comments=true#comment-9091773
That is a perfect example of Mike's MO. In that post he is pretending that he has always felt Rolling Stone to be a bad source. He thinks no one will notice that a mere 3 days earlier, he was circulating Rolling Stone's ivermectin hoax story.
And the next time it is convenient, Mike will be back here quoting Rolling Stone- completely ignoring his criticism of them earlier. Because he isn't here to be consistent, or to learn, or to engage in good faith discussion. He is here to troll and create chaos.
Cite?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/07/daisy-luther/the-deprogramming-begins-public-defender-representing-january-6th-defendants-re-educates-them/
This is public knowledge and has been reported on in multiple outlets.
First. That link is AMAZING. I had never heard of the "Organic Prepper" but I am glad I have now.
If I understand correctly, this is Disney's fault because Critical Race Theory. Did I skip a couple steps?
No. You went straight to ad hominem as expected.
You could read up on the sentencing if those who have been sentenced.
Your link accuses the public defender of believing that the defendants are racist.
It doesn't even make the argument that the statements were demanded by the state to show fealty to Biden.
Again youre parsing to try to get an argumentative win. Look at each sentencing and the judge releasing only after statements made.
God damn you 50 centers are dumb.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/capitol-attack-defendants-history-lessons_n_60cba79be4b0a48ee253908e
One of the main reasons Dee muted half the commentariat is so she can play dumb regarding things that have already been posted when they’re brought up again later.
And Dee really loves playing dumb.
Playing?
While Dee is, in fact, quite dumb, she plays at being even dumber than she really is by frequently ignoring anything presented that contradicts her narrative. Only to fly into any similar discussions days or weeks later asking for evidence that she’s previously ignored.
It’s become a common practice by lefties on this site.
Didn't she self -identify as a Liberal Out Liar on that Pew political test the other day?
Sounds about right!
One of the main reasons Dee muted half the commentariat is so she can play dumb regarding things that have already been posted when they’re brought up again later.
The hilarious part is that Mikey-poo inadvertently admitted that he unmutes me to see what I've written, because he directly quoted me on one of the Rittenhouse threads the other day while pretending he had me muted.
I'm the only one who's ever said that the NSBA tried to sic the DoJ on parents over CRT and anti-mask protests, and he's cribbed that one here and in a previous thread yesterday.
Guess me laughing in his face when he whined about middle school cliques really got to him.
Yes, I realized this when she muted me. One day she was on a thread making EXACTLY the same Pro-vaccination arguments that we had argued previously.
She started with the whole, "if you aren't vaccinated it is aggression" schtick, even though we had discussed it a week earlier and she had moved onto other arguments. She *knew* that the argument was a bad argument, and here she was bringing it up again a week later when she thought I wasn't watching. So I called her on it. And she muted me, and has never responded to my criticisms since.
That is Dee's MO: Post the same tripe, and if she gets called out, she bails on the thread maybe even leaves a day or two, then comes back a few days later when she thinks things have cooled down, to post the SAME TRIPE again. And it is almost ALWAYS to harass new posters on this site who she thinks have not seen her arguments.
Here is one glaring example of someone released on bail merely for denouncing support of Trump.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/judge-releases-repentant-jan-6-protester-tells-him-not-to-watch-political-tv.php
But you've had this linked to you a few times now.
From your link
"In this case, though, there is no indication that the state (i.e. Judge Jackson) demanded that Sibick renounce Trump as a condition of his release. The rather abject renunciation note appears to have been the lawyer’s idea."
Just kinda odd that NOBODY else is being released who did not denounce Trump, ain't it?
Very coincidental.
You can't be this dumb can you? each statement prior to sentencing has had the defendant claim Biden is the lawful winner and to denounce their support of trump or their belief in the system.
In the case linked the person only got out of jail on bail when they made that claim.
your claim is the state didn't require it, yet they wouldn't be out if they had not. See the other defendants still in solitary or denied bail.
I make no claim. I'm reading the article you provided.
each statement prior to sentencing has had the defendant claim Biden is the lawful winner
That seems germaine to the promise not to do this again.
So not believing that the sitting president was legitimately elected is a dangerous position to hold now? Where was this train of thought when every mentally challenged writer at this publication went full John Bircher about Russians being under their bed?
So not believing that the sitting president was legitimately elected is a dangerous position to hold now?
When you're being charged with rioting in the Capitol, and you're asking for release on the condition that you won't do it again, then yes?
Vast majority dont live in D.C. dumbass. Vast majority had no prior record.
Do you hold the same foe the protestors trying to force entry during Kavanaugh?
Supporting totalitarian loyalty pledges by political prisoners as a requirement to end their imprisonment and torture is a bad look, Bubba Jones.
"When you're being charged with rioting in the Capitol, and you're asking for release on the condition that you won't do it again, then yes?"
You are being coy, and there is no way you believe that this is really true. Whether he believes Biden is president or not does not say whether he is likely to disrupt congress again. People all over the country believe Biden isn't president, and they aren't disrupting congress. People all over the country who believe Biden *is* legit have disrupted congress (for other reasons).
Code Pink consistently interrupted congress during the Iraq War. Are you really saying that we should expect them to disavow the anti-war sentiments and say the Iraq War was legitimate in order to get out on parole? That's nuts.
Fuck off you ignorant partisan shit. There was rioting at the capitol numerous times over the summer up to and including evacuating the President, not to mention the disruption of active deliberation for Kavanaugh and not one of those commies spent this much time in jail for it. The fact you ignore that speaks volumes.
The fact you ignore that speaks volumes.
If you scroll down you'll see that I documented it. Not ignored it.
But thanks for playing.
No. You are in fact making claims. One of the few D.C. lawyers who agreed to represent these clients has admitted openly and on news media she prepares a reading list for the clients a statement to read at sentencing.
Youre hung up on 'required part despite judges altering behavior on said statements.
It's not unknown news, Mike.
Scott Alexander has penned the definitive summary of the available evidence on ivermectin as an effective COVID-19 therapeutic. Writing for his Substack, Astral Codex Ten, Alexander argues that many of the ivermectin studies involved unreliable methodologies or should be dismissed for other reasons. But others appear to hold up, and his ultimate conclusion is that ivermectin does seem to provide a very, very small but measurable benefit for patients infected with COVID-19.
All the leftitarians trashing the horse dewormer were wrong again??? As they castigated and lie about the gop being anti vax? When only their side attacks treatments that help??
Say it ain't so.
Alexander notes, however, that the studies where ivermectin appeared to do the most good seem to be concentrated in certain parts of the world—India, Bangladesh—with higher-than-average intestinal worm problems. His theory—and it's a very good one—is that ivermectin doesn't directly improve COVID-19 outcomes
And then off the rails to try and dismiss it.
Many antivirals have shown a positive correlation from use of the drugs. Many linked to effects that do things such as reducing inflammation. Pfizer has a new antiviral covid pill they are pushing that does many of the same types of things.
Yet people continue to try to dismiss the cheap generics for some reason.
Tribal stupidity?
I've long suspected that a good part of the reason IVM/HCQ etc show material benefit is because of the reduction in secondary infections. I would take this as a reason to employ instead of dismiss them, but I'm not a doctor.
You mean Health policy bureaucrat or tech censor.
Did you read Alexander's discussion, or did you just flip to his conclusion and discount it because it didn't confirm your priors? He took a lot of time conducting a meta-analysis of the various studies listed by ivmmeta.com (because nobody else was doing so), and he showed us his work, so if you want to take issue with his conclusion, you need to show him (and us) exactly where he went astray.
because nobody else was doing so
Did you confirm this lie based on your priors?
Many analysis have been done on ivermectin studies.
All the leftitarians trashing the horse dewormer were wrong again???
Do you have worms? If so, you should take ivermectin.
If not, then you shouldn't.
Sound medical advice. I am guessing that Nobel Prize that the creator of ivermectin received for the medication was because of its sole benefit for animals and not humans.
We have a new idiot Act blue member! Welcome!
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-off-label-common-medicine-bioethicist-legal.html
What point are you trying to make?
That it's ok to use ivermectin off label? I don't dispute that.
What you're missing is that off label use is typically done with significant medical literature to support its use. Ivermectin doesn't have that.
This a pretty detailed analysis of what we know about the anti-viral properties of ivermectin.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ivermectin+covid-19&sort=date
I'll draw your attention near the bottom. The therapeutic window appears to be a real challenge:
Despite numerous positive outcomes for IVM in SARS-CoV-2 treatment, there are several contradictions. For instance, a study has reviewed that the standard dosage of single-dose IVM (200μg/kg) showed no significant clinical and microbiological outcomes compared to the patients that did not receive any IVM [95]. Albeit there was no significant difference, a smaller proportion of the patients from the IVM group required intensive care as compared to the non-IVM group (69% vs 38%), postulating the need for a higher effective dose [95]. Another study pointed no differences in the viral load, outcomes of adverse events, and the laboratory parameters between the IVM treated group (30 participants) and control group (15 participants) from the baseline until day 5 [96]. However, there were positive correlations where the higher IVM plasma concentrations resulted in greater reduction of viral load in nasopharyngeal secretions and viral decay rate, also suggesting the need for a higher dose [96]. A double-blind randomized trial conducted in Cali, Columbia has also shown similar results where the duration of symptoms and time to resolution in 400 patients (200 with IVM, and 200 controls) showed no statistical difference over a 5 day observation [97]. Besides that, another study suggests larger dose (150–200 μg/kg) of IVM may trigger several side effects ranging across symptoms such as rashes, headaches, nausea, ataxia, sweating, tremors, and more severe tachycardia, coma, and death. Thus, implying the need for more controlled trials and safety and efficacies studies for the mass public [98]. Another report showed that IVM alone has a low probability of success in treating COVID-19 as the approved dose or dose of 10× higher than the approved is unlikely to reach the concentration needed for 50% inhibition (IC50) in the lungs after single-dose oral administration, making it less ideal for COVID-19 treatment [99].
Sorry. linked the search instead of the article. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8526435/
For fucks sake. Even the articles linked in the roundup discuss those studies showing positive results. And you openly pretend the studies don't exist.
My former brother-in-law was in the hospital with Covid. His children begged the doctors to try ivermectin. The doctors refused saying he might overdose on it, as if he might crawl from his bed to the pharmacy and take all the ivermectin in stock. He died about two weeks later.
I've lost all trust in the medical profession and especially the "experts" that corporate media promotes as the only ones who can make decisions about mine and your medical care.
The doctors refused saying he might overdose on it
That's what "narrow therapeutic window" means.
https://ptcbtestprep.com/what-are-narrow-therapeutic-index-drugs/
https://simpleandpractical.com/therapeutic-index-window/
The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial doesn't like the way he was covered in the media and is turning against courtroom cameras.
That's not going to help with the coverage, as it will make it that much easier to continue to make shit up. It might hit them if they can't get the clicks for video, though. No one is going to them for their coverage anyway.
Holy crap, I made the mistake of reading that Twitter thread. It is insane how overly leftist Twitter commenters have become. Absolutely zero discussion, just sick burn after sick burn. Blech.
Isn't something like 95% of the Twitter content produced by 20% of its users, and those users are overwhelmingly radical left commies?
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/10/15/differences-in-how-democrats-and-republicans-behave-on-twitter/
Top 10% creates 92% of content; top 10% is 69% Democrat/lean; top 10% of Dems post twice as much as the top 10% Repubs; Democrat users are twice as likely as Democrat non-users to describe themselves as "very liberal," but no such distinction among Republican users/non-users.
Social media is a plague. The CDC should shut them all down for trumped-up reasons.
Social media isn't the issue so much as the ubiquity of smartphones. Social media wasn't anything other than another internet time-waster until after the first iPhone was released. Before that, you had to actually sit down at your computer and take time to browse Facebook, MySpace, whatever, and unless you were a computer person your overall use was relatively limited because you still had to frame it around the normal stuff you do every day, plus workplaces could always block the websites.
Smartphones changed all that by allowing people to be online all the fucking time, even when you're taking a shit, and the notifications act as a Pavlovian tool to keep people engaged by dinging at you constantly. If smartphones disappeared tomorrow, I guarantee a lot of this stupidity would stop.
They're playing off each other, certainly. But smartphones in the absence of social media would offer far, far more value with far, far fewer downsides than social media in the absence of smartphones.
Honestly, I don't think Jobs could have anticipated how the iPhone and its descendants could have affected social relations like they have. His goal was mainly trying to figure out how people could have their phone and their iPod on one device, and it ended up opening a Pandora's box. The mere fact that the government can easily track us through the phone's GPS, plus making easier for them to hoover our metadata since people are online all the time, is enough argument by itself, in my opinion, that their release has done far more harm than good.
Fair point.
"Smartphones changed all that"
Yeah, I have long felt that essentially Twitter encourages people to do these "hot takes" and tribal loyalty encourages people to brigade in and protect their idiocy. Add onto that the fact that Twitter is like a petrie dish for viral arguments- millions and millions of tweets, and the argument that catches the most fire just gets amplified.
Some of these Blue Check make just absolutely terrible statements all the time. But they are encouraged to make them constantly, because anything too stupid and they get protected by other blue checks, and eventually they'll say something that takes off, felating their ego.
It's not JUST twitter, though. At least not organically.
Twitter is the first of the social medias to be very heavily and easily manipulated. Closely followed by Reddit. An early innovator in social media manipulation was Media Matters, and the Democrats were well ahead of Republicans on having rooms full of college kids our on Reddit arguing leftist points to anyone who didn't conform to the hive mind.
That kind of thing makes it seem normal to be... well, to be an asshole troll. Trolling used to be just the art of tapping your inner 13 year old, but now it's conforming to what everyone else does to gang up on the outlier -- except it isn't "everyone else" so much as a manipulated view that makes it SEEM like everyone else thinks this way.
Honestly, we all know at least half the posts here, on a not heavily traveled message section, are 50 centers and full time trolls. Twitter is way more anonymous, way easier to manipulate (if you have the numbers) and way easier to use to do so because they even have tools that allow you to track your progress by the trending of hashtags.
One other stat to add: Only 25% of American actually use Twitter at all. We are talking about a pretty small group of people who are regularly creating twitter content.
I agree that Twitter is a plague on reason, rationality and logic. One problem I see is Twitter users are disproportionately in media and government. That malign influence of social media has an outsized effect.
I agree that Twitter is a plague on reason, rationality and logic. One problem I see is Twitter users are disproportionately in media and government. That malign influence of social media has an outsized effect.
Agreed. That sort of social dynamic acts as a feedback loop where the media and government officials end up tweeting and retweeting each other in order to manufacture consensus. That's how you get people who didn't realize that none of the guys Rittenhouse shot were black, and that he was actually trying to disengage through the whole 3-minute encounter.
If you read online news, much of it posts tweets. There are two in Soave's column above. When ENB compiled the roundups their were much more. The 25% is just active users. The passive users, even those without a twitter account are much higher.
I have raged against it before, but the trend of putting a bunch of twitter links on a page and calling it "news" pisses me off.
Nothing newsworthy, at least in depth, happens in 120 characters. And I don't want to click a twitter link. Ever. But Twitter made their way out of the microblog-from-your-phone (pre smart phone, where you'd send SMS messages, thus the character limits) to more modern social media by introducing analytics tools that news organizations could use. So they could report on hashtags trending and say something was popular, where before they'd have to have an actual reporter actually talking to actual people.
So I bet a crapload of people see twitter now. Just because non-twitter media is littered with these links anymore.
That judge has poor judgment and this is another example on it.
"How dare that judge dislike death threats against him! Pussy!"
Indeed, he should enjoy being threatened by progressives.
Only a sick, punitive society imprisons non-violent protesters for years in harsh conditions -- or one that regards particular ideologies as inherently criminal...
WHAT HAPPENED TO GREENWALD, HE'S BEEN RED-PILLED!
He is right, though. Chansley’s sentence is excessive.
While I disagree with almost all of his politics, his critiques of his fellow journalists and their organizations are spot on. He's a great follow on Twitter, if not for the validation on the state of corporate press and blue checks then for their apoplectic replies to his evaluations of their work.
He only ever attacks the left. That's his politics and you like that. He's on your side. Take him.
LOL. Greenwald only attacks the left? Snowden would be shocked to hear that. Look at his writings before the last year where he has been mostly attacking the terribleness of the state and media. He was a primary critic of Bush and others on the right.
The left does have a special kind of stupid, call it a Dunning-Kruger of politics. They will swear up and down that they support "democracy" while doing everything they can to tear it down. At least right-wing totalitarians are more honest about promoting some stupidity about purity or nation.
Of course, the left could be gas-lighting.
He attacks the left because the left controls most of the media and media hypocrisy is one of his big things. He also attacks the national security and surveillance state, which is a pretty bipartisan thing.
His personal political views are anything but right-wing (unless free speech is a right-wing thing now). He just happens to be one of the few honest journalists willing to criticize people regardless of their politics.
unless free speech is a
Exactly.
He's classically liberal. Like by definition of liberal, liberal. And free speech is one of his greatest areas of interest, and always has been.
Dems have 50 senate seats, house majority, white house, and a near lock on all traditional and legacy media right now. They are the ones in power. So when you speak truth to power, they're the ones you rail at. Greenwald had no problem talking smack about Bush over Patriot Act shenanigans or other things he saw as illiberal, either.
He and I don't share all philosophies, but he's figured out how to thrive as one of the voices calling out the hypocrisy and insular political/ideological monoculture of left wing media who ostracized him for sins like attempting to see all sides of Trump's presidency. We need brave voices like that, and that commitment to a genuinely free press is something I really respect.
LOL at this goonfiction. This guy made his bones attacking the Bush administration and standing up for Julian Assange after the Manning document dump. He's one of AOC's biggest stans.
Every statement you type proves just how dumb you really are.
So Bolsonaro is now a leftist?
He only ever attacks the left.
Tell that to Bush and Cheney.
To be fair, Strudel is only 15. He doesn't actually remember the Bush years.
Ignorant dumbass reveals idiotic dumbassery
Yes, this is an example of the kind of sentiment my initial comment was parodying.
Greenwald is better than everyone on the Koch payroll, times 1,000. He was right on Russian Fever Dreams, he's been right on Jan. 6, and he has more criticism for lockdowns and forced vaccinations than you'll ever see at Reason or Cato.
Nothing happened to Greenwald. He's been firmly in the same lane for the last twenty years. The world around him has simply crumbled into insanity. It's the same pattern as with so many leftists that suddenly find themselves being labeld "far-right" these days.
Reason's Ronald Bailey has written that ivermectin is clearly "not a miracle cure,"
That means it is.
Not sure why it has to even be a miracle. If it helps it is cheap and well known. Almost non existent side effects.
If it helps it is cheap and well known
The whole point is that it doesn't help if you don't have worms.
If you do have worms, it prevents death from worm hyperinfection. It doesn't prevent death from viral respiratory distress. Steroids help with that.
Ivermectin is not a replacement for steroids. It's not a substitute for vaccination. It's not a prophylactic. Unless you have worms.
Amazing you’ve taken a hypothesis as fact, when the guy that came up with it said he’s only 50% confident in it.
So you didn't read the part where "it was a theory of his" not supported by actual research? You just accepted it as gospel?
The "actual research" showed no benefit in the developed countries.
No it doesn't sat that either. He said his review showed he didn't agree with said research, not that the research said it didn't help. Others have done large studies showing it did help. You are treating as gospel what aligns woth your preconceived beliefs.
Ivermectin has known and very low side effects. Less than even the vaccine. Many studies show it helps. This guy has a theory it only helps due to secondary reasons. Not all scientists or researchers agree.
Youre dismissing counter views idiotically.
Memes, Hitler image properly admitted in ‘Unite the Right’ murderer’s trial, Virginia appeals court rules
Despite concerns some of evidence used against convicted murderer James Alex Fields was prejudicial, a Virginia Appeals court found it helped paint a fuller picture of his intent to kill.
BRAD KUTNER / November 16, 2021
RICHMOND, Va. (CN) — Images of Adolf Hitler and brash memes depicting violence against protesters were fair game in the murder trial of James Alex Fields, the Virginia Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday. Fields, an Ohio native, was found guilty of murdering Heather Heyer after he traveled to Charlottesville and drove into a crowd of counter-protesters at the now infamous 2017 "Unite the Right" rally.
https://www.courthousenews.com/memes-hitler-image-properly-admitted-in-unite-the-right-murderers-trial-virginia-appeals-court-rules/
If you're gonna sport a swastika and Confederate flag at a Unite the Right rally don't kill someone.
Heather Heyer was murdered. She was peacefully trespassing, which should not have resulted in harm being done to her.
Wait, I thought immediate death was an appropriate punishment for trespassing?
It is sad that neo-Nazis and progressives have the same view on this: ok if not in my tribe and saying things against “the paradigm.”
Libertarians see both incidents as clear violations of the NAP. Both are murder.
Its the one thing that ideologically-opposed totalitarians can agree on: totalitarianism is the best way.
You left out: 'those who oppose us or hold different views must be silenced/unpersoned/purged.' It may be implied, but should be explicitly stated.
I think many on the left have reached the “explicitly stated” stage.
But mostly peacefully.
Modern self identified progressives are more faithful/consistent with their Nazi roots than self identified neo nazis
All NAZI and Neo-NAZI types are immediately joining the GOP these days.
Like you did.
Just because you act like an eight year old does not make it ok to share naked pictures of eight year olds.
Nazis are just a different flavor of progressive.
Heather Heyer was murdered. She was peacefully trespassing, which should not have resulted in harm being done to her.
Now do Ashli Babbitt
I just did.
Sry, I can't tell the difference between satire and leftists anymore
It was neither satire nor progressivism. I probably would disagree with why she was protesting and what she was saying. But that doesn’t justify her being run over by a car. Even if she was trespassing in the street.
I alluded to Babbitt in the string that followed with, “…both incidents…” and “Both are murder.”
I practice the NAP and see both incidents similarly. Because Babbitt has not received justice it doesn’t mean Heyer wasn’t also murdered. It is frustrating that there are two sets of rules with this (and with BLM/Antifa rioters and the Jan 6 protesters).
Maybe the removed Confederate statues should be replaced with ones of Babbitt and Heyer.
Sorry, but Heather's allies were the violent ones, can't fault a guy for trying to get away from that violent scum.
With the caveat that I've heard so many damned different stories of what happened to Heyer that I don't actually have any idea what's true, not sure that it's accurate to call what happened to her "murder". Because murder requires intent, and one of the stories I've heard about that incident is that she was effectively collateral damage caused by someone fleeing an attack.
(As an aside, if *that* could have been proved, it would have made for a lefty head exploding set of felony murder charges against the people who attacked the fellow driving the car.)
But that even could quite possibly be more accurately described as "manslaughter". Or, indeed, as an accidental death.
Obviously I am aware that the person driving the car was found guilty. It's disappointing that I don't in any way trust the court system enough to know what the real story is even with that in mind.
His theory—and it's a very good one—is that ivermectin doesn't directly improve COVID-19 outcomes: Rather, these studies were disproportionately likely to include patients suffering from worms, which had rendered their immune systems less able to fight off other infections.
Too late. I've already been conditioned by the corporate press through their clownish actions to ignore any ivermectin critique as partisan point scoring attempts.
Detroit's public school district will move to virtual education on Fridays in December, in part because administrators think additional time to clean the buildings will help slow the spread of COVID-19.
I can see a Detroit public school product coming up with this plan.
A virtuous circle of stupidity.
They will go the extra 8-mile to keep their students safe.
COVID gave teachers a glimpse into a world without pants and without testing standards.
They aren't going to give up heaven so easily.
I applaud the Detroit school system's plan to clean up the schools, you never know what sort of diseases you could catch from discarded crack pipes, broken needles, used condoms, piles of feces and random homeless people lying about, particularly if the school buildings frequently lack running water or electricity.
But enough about the teacher's lounge.
I could see *any* group of teachers advocating for getting a month of Fridays off.
"The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners, and they are certainly not heroes. They committed trespassing and broke other laws..."
Bullshit, Robby, they are political prisoners.
Watching this third world justice unfold, I see no reason to surrender if accused of crimes against the Progressive machine. Labeled a terrorist no matter what the outcome.
The fact that judges are requiring loyalty oaths for reduced time as well as releasing prisoners on bail only if they promise not to watch the news or participate in politics shows it is a political issue.
...the extremely small benefit of more cleaning is more than canceled out by the massive drawback of additional school closures.
Depends on your priorities and goals.
The House of Representatives voted to censure Rep. Paul Gosar (R–Ariz.) for sharing an edited anime video...
More Asian hate.
AOC should be glad that video didn’t go in another direction.
Go on…
Dirty Cortez
Two girls and an AOC.
I have indeed heard rumors that AOC enjoys having lesbians crap into her mouth.
Which, I mean, it's not a health risk I'd take, but as long as everyone is consenting, AOC can suck the dung directly from the colon of anyone willing to let her do so, as far as I'm concerned.
If gargling shit is what makes AOC truly happy, then AOC should feel free to gargle shit all day and all night. Maybe someone can even make her laugh so it comes out her nose.
Sadly, I am no Sugarfree.
On va s’aimer, à toucher le cielSe séparer, à brûler nos ailesSe retrouver comme les hirondellesOn va s’aimer, tellement tu es belle
On va jeter les clés d’la maisonOn va rêver à d’autres saisonsOn va quitter ces murs de prisonvm
https://courtier-infos.fr/
If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German.
If it wasn't for the Romans they'd be speaking German.
The Franks were Germans, who the Romans let in.
If it wasn't for the Romans, they would be speaking Gallic.
And if it wasn't for Homo Sapiens exiting the African Veldt 250,000 years ago, they'd all be speaking Wooly Mammoth and Sabre-Toothed Kitty.
The HBO Max special celebrating the 20th anniversary of the first Harry Potter movie will not include J.K. Rowling.
When the muggles get uppity.
Heretics have to be unpersoned.
Of course over her men are men and women are women "controversy;" this is approaching Soviet quality erasing.
this is approaching Soviet quality erasing.
The left seem to have taken Umbridge with Ms. Rowling.
*applause*
Rowling has officially ascended to godhood. Her creations have disavowed her existence.
Except that J.K. Rawling really did create Harry Potter and Friends and we are not literary figures and gods do not exist.
41 months? What a fucking travesty of justice. The guy who actually attacked a Senator got 8 months after initially being sentenced to only 30 days.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rand-paul-attacker-sentenced-additional-prison-time-over-yard-assault-n1235013
Nope, dude attacked his asshole neighbor over some bs. The sentence reflected that. These MAGA zombies tried to terrorize and intimate Congress into overturnig a free and fair election. They're lucky they weren't shot dead.
*Intimidate
You’re the dumbest nazi on here.
Who are the other Nazis?
Looking for a friend?
He is the Lord of SchutzStrazele
Aka the Waffling SS
I'd be happy to take him on a helicopter ride over the ocean and help him join the Luftwaffle.
chemjeff is one. You're a big one. That's two quick ones.
Some rightwing people are actually fascist and proud of it. I wonder how they feel when you debase them by labeling a lib like me as one of them? It must get confusing being nuts?
Adorable. Sullum still thinks progs cannot be fascist when fascism is a direct path from progressivism.
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Few things are nicer to see than this.
ONE thing that would be nicer to see is stupid and arrogant people developing the HUMILITY that is required to TAKE BACK the stupid and arrogant, power-pig things that they have said!
Yes when do you start?
I for one would never even START saying stupid and arrogant, power-pig things, such as, we need to FORCE people to buy magazines! And certainly not for the purpose of trying to "fix" a giant, gaping, raw, bleeding wound on Liberty, with "fixes" that only make matters worse, such as putting forced-magazine-buying "band-aids" across the wound... A worthless "fix" on a totally EVIL wound like tearing down Section 230, and replacing it with centralized fascism, for example.
And now for something COMPLETELY different! For some mysterious reason, the thought occurs to me: They say that "turds of feather, stick together". From what I have seen, stupid, empty-headed tribalists proves the saying to be true! Assholes defend assholes, in obviously utterly assholish ways!
Fascism isn't a path from progressivism, it's a form of progressivism
damikesc will be ECSTATIC to give you ANOTHER "quick one"!!! (Head trip into totalitarianism, that is.)
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/#comment-8316852
How many plastic flutes can you shove up your ass in one sitting?
Are you capable of intelligent discourse? And do you LIKE having to ask for permission before buying a cheap plastic flute?
To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!
You do know only leftist idiots believe this right?
You do also know that the law regarding attacking a member of congress is not contingent on it being about politics, correct?
Nope, dude attacked his asshole neighbor over some bs.
LoS? More like PoS.
During the virtual hearing, Paul, who suffered broken ribs in the November 2017 attack, said he flew 10 feet in the air from the force of the attack and was left with a “significant injury that I have lifelong symptoms from.”
“I don't know what a night without pain is like or what a day without pain is like, so I do suffer from this,” Paul said. “This was no routine altercation. This was no sort of face-to-face, man-to-man thing."
Paul testified that he suffered several bouts of pneumonia following the attack and eventually had to have hernia surgery because of all of his chronic coughing.
After he completes his sentence, Boucher will be on supervised release for 18 months with no contact with Paul or Paul’s family.
The attack stemmed from a dispute the two men had over yard waste.
Boucher, who according to court documents "had enough" of Paul’s yard maintenance habits after he saw him stacking brush into a pile on his own lawn that was near Boucher's property. Boucher then ran onto Paul's property and tackled him. Boucher was charged with assaulting a member of Congress as part of a federal plea agreement.
The injuries were life threatening with permanent damage. The guy got 8 months. Yes, political prosecutions are a fucking travesty.
Maybe the universe sent a preemptive asskicking his way for knowingly exposing people to Covid? The Lord works in mysterious ways.
What the fuck are you going on about? Paul missed the vote on the first COVID relief bill specifically because he was in quarantine. He was the first Member of Congress to have a confirmed case. He was also the only Senator who would have had the balls to vote against the bill.
Ok, I checked that and I was a little off. Paul went swimming while awaiting the results of a Covid. So he suspected he may have a highly contagious virus but went out in public anyway.
Fucking liar. All of Congress was tested. He wasn't showing symptoms at that time and had no reason to think he was contagious. You seem to forget that he is an actual physician.
Sullum being employed shows that the wrong Koch brother died.
How hilarious was it to watch leftist shit on him after he died just to watch the bitch boys at Reason and Cato fall over themselves with "but...but...he supported gay marriage". Haha
Wow, you really are a piece of shit.
Don't say that where AOC might hear. Especially when she's hungry.
Sounds like what happened to your allies Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz.
Insh'Allah, it will happen to you, too.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
You should change your handle to Lord of Gaslight.
I second that, is there a third?
Here.
Sick twisted bastard.
He’s charged with civil disorder, obstruction of an official proceeding, disorderly conduct in a restricted building, and demonstrating in a Capitol building.
All things the left does and gets off.
No insurrection charges to be found.
It’s like he’s guilty of leftist cult nightmares.
Another dude brought to libertarianism through Gay Jay or Jo Blow. Back to the DNC with you
8 months seems pretty lenient for a violent assault that landed someone in the hospital.
And here's the thing about the protesters. It doesn't matter if they were wrong. You are allowed to believe wrong things. Assuming they believe what they say, and I think that is a fair assumption, they were protesting to try to get congress not to accept a corrupted election. Now that may be an incorrect assessment of the situation, but it is a real view held by real people and they have the right to take their grievances to congress explicitly protected by the 1st amendment. That doesn't justify any crimes anyone committed, but no justification is needed for any kind of political protest, no matter how wrong or stupid the premise may be.
Paul is a member of the wrong party.
Paul was also attacked in the streets of DC. In a well publicized video at the RNC, demonstrators threw a bicycle at him and chased he and his wife down the street.
Who exactly was prosecuted for that actual attack on a Member of Congress? Let's see... nobody.
Not symbolic enough. The Paul attackers went after a man who happens to be a Senator. The 1/6 protestors attacked the very fabric of America. Superman would have eyeball vaporized the lot of them to death, and the DoJ should demand no less of the jurors.
"The 1/6 protestors attacked the very fabric of America. Superman would have eyeball vaporized the lot of them to death, and the DoJ should demand no less of the jurors."
What are you six?
Think it was sarcasm.
Whoosh
ENB and the controlled opposition group known as the Libertarian Party mocked him for complaining about that. Had that been AOC being surrounded we all know the responses would have been much different and jail time would have been given.
The fact that AOC wasn't mocked out of government completely for acting like she was Anne Frank being hunted by Nazis on Jan 6 is all the confirmation I need that Proggies are evil.
It's why there was no House inquiry about the Bernie bro who tried to murder multiple Republicans at a baseball practice.
Because trespassing on 1/6 is so much worse than attempted murder.
Silly. When attacking the government during a Democratic majority, it is a defiance of the righteous will of The People. When attacking the government during a Republican majority, the Democratic victims represent an oppressed minority (even if they hold a majority of seats in the House).
And how much did the antifa who attacked Sen. Paul and his wife on the streets of DC last August get?
Why don't you ask William Barr? He was head man at the DOJ at that time. The answer is probably you're full of shit and Paul wasn't actually the victim of a crime.
"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes"
Might be time to make charging for federal crimes to be done in every jurisdiction in the country. DC is too much of a collection of goons and morons to make them worth this level of power.
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
But his soul goes marching on
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
On the grave of old John Brown
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
His soul goes marching on
He captured Harper's Ferry with his nineteen men so true
He frightened old Virginia till she trembled through and through
They hung him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew
But his soul goes marching on
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
His soul goes marching on
John Brown's body? Is your brain permanently trapped in 1860 or are you just that low IQ?
There’s a video of it dumbfuck.
Cool. You are approaching Baghdad Bob level of BS.
• The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial doesn't like the way he was covered in the media and is turning against courtroom cameras.
Seeing as how CNN and MSNBC keep repeating known lies about the trial, the bigger story is them.
And breaking news: MSNBC is now banned from the courtroom. Reportedly, one of their producers was tailing the jury bus and they're being investigated for jury intimidation. Right now.
MISTRIAL.
Not being lawyer, I wonder if Rittenhouse could suee them for attempting to deprive him of his civil rights. If he can, he should.
Then Sandmann/Rittenhouse 2051.
Chansley gets a harsh sentence to "send a message". So what kind of sentences have been given out to BLM/Antifa protestors who tried to burn down, say, the federal courthouse in Portland, or the church off Lafayette Square in DC? Were any "messages sent"? Have there been any convictions, even? If not, then Chansley is looking like his treatment is due to his politics and not what he did.
I can not speak to Oregon, but I do read my local papers and many who participated in Madison riots where convicted. And a number accepted pleas.
and the number of years for assaults and arson is at least 41 months, right? Or was it time served or probation?
Shh. You are undermining the conservative victimhood narrative.
Show a link to that.
Dee responds to a parody of her.
LOL....
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/nyc-drops-charges-against-hundreds-of-blm-antifa-rioters-looters/
Yeah, and that's pretty much standard for mass civil disobedience protests. Lots of people get arrested. Most get charges dropped or a small fine.
The sentences were...?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/keeping-track-over-50-people-facing-felony-charges-in-vandalism-looting-violence-during-protests/collection_c8341750-d1e2-51d9-884b-470c95366899.html#52
Looks like a couple people with prior felony records went to jail, and everyone else got off.
On Oct. 25, 2021, Reick pleaded guilty to four counts of burglary and two counts of criminal damage and was placed in a deferred prosecution program. If he completes the program successfully, the charges would be dismissed.
On June 10, 2021, Watson pleaded guilty to two counts of burglary, and under a plea agreement was placed in a deferred prosecution program that referred her to the Community Restorative Court.
Hamer pleaded no contest to a non-criminal disorderly conduct ordinance violation on Sept. 28, 2021. O'Reilly went to trial and was acquitted on Oct. 19, 2021.
On May 12, Lanagan pleaded guilty to burglary and was placed in a deferred prosecution program. If he completes the program, the burglary charge will be dismissed. He would be sentenced on the burglary only if he fails to complete the program.
On July 28, 2021, Thomas also pleaded guilty to burglary and was placed in a deferred prosecution program.
He pleaded guilty on Nov. 4 to one of the federal charges under a deal that would seek a time-served sentence. On Jan. 23, a federal judge agreed to the sentence, under which he is also serving two years of federal supervision. He also pleaded guilty to some misdemeanor charges in Dane County Circuit Court on Dec. 7 and received time-served sentences.
On June 4, James pleaded guilty to making threats and was sentenced to two years of probation. He also pleaded guilty to an unrelated charge of resisting police and received concurrent probation.
On July 20, 2021, Shanley pleaded guilty to making threats, but no conviction was entered and he was not sentenced. Instead, he was placed in a deferred prosecution program. If he completes the program, the charge would be dismissed.
Olson, a convicted felon, was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm and a parole violation, police said. Olson pleaded guilty to the gun possession charge on Dec. 1 and was to be sentenced on April 30. His eventual sentencing, on June 4, followed proceedings to determine whether Olson's arrest was legal. A judge ruled it was, and sentenced Olson to 27 months in prison.
On Feb. 17 Kokesh pleaded guilty to burglary and criminal damage to property and was placed in a deferred prosecution program. I
Charges against Brown were dismissed by prosecutors in April, who said Brown has been forthcoming and the evidence against her was slim.
On July 2, 2021, Foster pleaded guilty to felony criminal damage and threatening an officer and was placed on two years of probation.
A 36-year-old Madison man was charged June 4 in federal court with illegally possessing a firearm during the protests in Madison.
Police said Anthony R. Krohn was found bleeding from a gunshot wound in his leg in the area of South Fairchild Street and West Doty Street early June 1. Officers found a .22-caliber handgun on the ground next to Krohn, and Krohn told officers he had shot himself, according to an affidavit.
Krohn pleaded guilty to the illegal firearm charge and was sentenced in February 2021 to five years in prison.
On June 30, 2021, Gordon pleaded guilty to burglary. Under a plea agreement, Circuit Judge Julie Genovese deferred formal conviction and sentencing and ordered Gordon to be placed in the Community Restorative Justice Court. If he completes the program offered there, the burglary charge would be dismissed.
The agreement was deemed fulfilled on Nov. 3, 2021, and the charge was dismissed.
On Oct. 26, 2021, Corner pleaded guilty to three counts of burglary related to the looting incidents and was placed on three years of probation for each, as part of a multi-case plea agreement involving those cases and others.
According to a criminal complaint, Freeman was recognized on surveillance video by an officer from past contacts, and from video posted on Facebook by a Madison television station. At the time she had several open felony cases in Dane County.
On Sept. 9, 2021, Wood pleaded guilty to burglary and was placed in a deferred prosecution program. The charge would be dismissed if he completes the program.
On July 22, 2021, Woods pleaded guilty to two counts of burglary and was sentenced to three years in prison and three years of extended supervision.
On Nov. 12, 2021, Garnett pleaded guilty to three counts of arson and one count of bail jumping and was sentenced to three years of probation.
On Aug. 8, 2021, Anderson-Carter pleaded guilty to burglary and was placed in a deferred prosecution program. If she completes the program's requirements the charge would be dismissed.
The threatening charge was dismissed in November 2020. Kalscheur pleaded guilty on May 18, 2021, to disorderly conduct, a county ordinance violation, and was ordered to pay a $456 fine. The negligent handling charge was dismissed under a plea agreement.
In May 2021, both signed plea agreements under which they will plead guilty to attempted arson. Fierro was sentenced on Oct. 20, 2021, to five years in prison, and Johnson on Sept. 8, 2021, was also sentenced to five years in prison.
On April 26, 2021, Mason pleaded guilty to misdemeanor theft and was sentenced to five days in jail, which was stayed. He was ordered instead to perform 40 hours of community service.
On Sept. 3, 2021, he pleaded guilty to felony criminal damage to property and was placed in a first offenders program. During his time in the program he is required to make a "good faith effort" to pay $3,000 to $3,500 in restitution. If he completes the first offenders program, the felony charge would be dismissed without a conviction.
Thank you for finding/processing this. I had been looking at a log of Kenosha County arrests -- a quick scan seems to show a whole bunch of curfew violations which were released without bond, and one prison sentence for a guy who did not apparently do anything at the riots, but had 3 outstanding burglary convictions when stopped. There were also a bunch of OWI and suspended license arrests which seemed to have nothing to do with the riots.
Kenosha City police has a request system for getting this information, but nothing you can access online.
All told, not a whole lot of arrests for all the fools I saw throwing molotov cocktails in the various videos. Especially liked:
How does that indicate on your fairness meter?
Hey, those were mostly peaceful protestors speaking truth to power and sticking it to The Man. The DC terrorists were threats to our very existence. Also trying to stick it to The Woman (and other officials acting like women).
So, it was lying/ignorant when it said 'many who participated in Madison riots where convicted?' Bizarre, that.
There appear to be several still in process, but it does look like the actual prison sentences went to the repeat offenders.
Primarily it seems a couple felons with guns caught federal charges. Everyone else walked. They seemed to be prosecuting these as burglaries, not an existential threat.
I mean, I wouldn't be shocked to find that the ones being prosecuted as burglaries were, you know, ACTUALLY BURGLARIES.
So they are prosecuting the people who looted the stores that they were able to identify via cameras. And what I see is the bulk were actually given deferred prosecution- and those are even more lenient than parole or probation, because upon completion it never goes to your permanent record (the case is dismissed).
So, similar to 10 months solitary confinement and 3.5 years in prison, right?
A 36-year-old Madison man was charged June 4 in federal court with illegally possessing a firearm during the protests in Madison. Police said Anthony R. Krohn was found bleeding from a gunshot wound in his leg in the area of South Fairchild Street and West Doty Street early June 1. Officers found a .22-caliber handgun on the ground next to Krohn, and Krohn told officers he had shot himself, according to an affidavit.
Krohn pleaded guilty to the illegal firearm charge and was sentenced in February 2021 to five years in prison.
Heh, even internally-
Burglary: Time served.
Making threats: Supervision.
Arson: Probation.
Felon in possession of a firearm: 27 mos.
Accidentally shooting yourself: 5 yrs.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/nyc-drops-charges-against-hundreds-of-blm-antifa-rioters-looters/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost-half-of-federal-cases-against-portland-rioters-have-been-dismissed-11618501979
All to be ignored by Deesarc so they can play this bs game again.
• The House of Representatives voted to censure Rep. Paul Gosar (R–Ariz.) for sharing an edited anime video in which a figure with his face slays a monster with the face of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.).
And Reason misses the biggest part of this news. Once again the the Majority party kicked off a member of a minority party from all committee assignments. The 2nd time they've done that which is not normal.
Crimes against the lefty machine. I really hope the GOP returns with a petty vengeance after the midterms. And I mean petty. Remind the dems how a majority tyranny works.
Yea, the Republican will show the Democrats and strip the committees of all those women of color who dare speak out.
You mean the ones who called for violence during the BLM riots?
No, the ones who lied about being shot at.
To be fair, Omar should be stripped of her citizenship and airdropped back in to Somalia. Losing her committee assignments is a rather minor punishment for being such an anti-white retard.
Got a crowd-funding site for that?
Nah. But Swalwell can kiss his assignments good-bye. Schiff should also be tossed off as well.
Schiff and Pelosi should both be impeached and tossed back into the cesspool.
How about the woman of color that married her brother to skirt immigration law?
Should they have voted he a congressional dowry?
Wonder why the minority could not clean up its own house? Oh, maybe the minority only clean up those that vote on bipartisan bills.
Over a video? As was said on the House floor, the democrats left someone who slept with a chinese spy in the Intelligence Committee.
It is not up to Democrats to decide how the Republican party operates.
"someone who slept with a chinese spy in the Intelligence Committee."
NOT HIS FAULT. She was hot.
No.
But of course, Nancy Pelosi refused to even criticize Maxine Waters when she told her lefty racist minions to confront all Republicans "get in their face" in restaurants, airports, on sidewalks and at their homes.
Pelosi, other Dems and their left wing media propagandists also refused to criticize (or censor) Waters when she threatened violence (and the jury) in Minneapolis if Chauvin wasn't convicted (as the jury was deliberating the case).
Democrats are lying hypocrites.
Defendants often plead guilty in order to avoid absurdly long mandatory sentences, and are thus denied the opportunity to actually attempt to prove their innocence before a jury of their peers.
Do you want to overwhelm the court system with a bunch of jury trials or do you want to feed the prison industrial complex?
I mean you wouldn’t have been arrested if you weren’t guilty, right?
The state does not arrest the innocent, comrade.
"attempt to prove their innocence before a jury of their peers."
This is backwards.
Welcome to woke justice.
"Jacob Chansley, the horned, shirtless figure known as the QAnon Shaman who participated in the mob storming the Capitol on January 6, was sentenced to 41 months in prison for his part in the riot."
Good thing he didn't J-walk on his way to the Capitol. He would have gotten a life sentence. Ridiculous.
D.C. needs to implement weekly Duck and Cover exercises so the locals will be prepared next time a Buffalo horned stranger walks into town.
The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners
The fuck they aren't. That's exactly what they are.
I'm sure Reason.com treats all its Black employees very well. With that in mind, Democratic activist Gregory McKelvey has some additional advice:
Employers, consider giving your Black employees a day or two off after the Rittenhouse verdict. Regardless of the outcome, it’s going to be hard for Black people to work and it isn’t fair to expect them to.
This is exactly the anti-racist mindset I learned in college. It's unreasonable to hold Black people to the same standards you'd use for white people.
#RaceAboveAll
Half Hispanic minor shot three white people seems like a crisis for black folks. Very much so.
OBL....I would love to read your take on Q-Anon Shaman. Was he sentenced appropriately? What should we libertarians think of all of this?
#TheWorldBreathlesslyAwaitsYourAnswer!
The bison hat man should have pleaded not guilty if he wants to be taken seriously as a political prisoner.
Let’s see how you stand up 10 months in solitary, asshole.
He would not. The ACLU would have raised holy hell if somebody on the Left was even inconvenienced.
I don't call myself a shaman.
Well that’s certainly relevant.
Exactly, and irrelevance is only one of the reasons why we can't take this shaman seriously as a political prisoner.
Here's who you're engaging:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Help yourself.
This is why I don’t take blue-haired millennial communist “revolutionaries” seriously: your general strike from Starbucks isn’t exactly going to bring about the factory workers’ paradise, and you don’t even really want it, anyway.
Factory workers? They served the Bolsheviks well, but that was over a hundred years ago.
And I insist that if our shaman wanted to be taken seriously as a political prisoner rather than a misunderstood clown, he would have plead not guilty and taken his chances. One of his fellow protestors was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in her effort to stop the steal, defying a gun wielding government thug. Our shaman bows and scrapes before the judges.
His being a political prisoner (or not) has nothing to do with whether he thinks he is one or wants to be taken seriously as one. The actions and intentions of those imprisoning him are what matters.
"The actions and intentions of those imprisoning him are what matters."
His own actions matter very much. By pleading guilty he's obviously satisfied being seen as a misunderstood clown rather than the martyr you'd prefer for him.
Where did I say anything about what I prefer or what I think about him as a person or about his ideas? I have no interest in defending the motivations of teh JAN 6 people. I don't give a fuck if anyone takes him seriously or if he takes himself seriously. I'm simply disturbed at what is obviously punishment for wrong political beliefs.
It's pretty clear that he's being punished for his role in the effort to stop the steal. His actions in other words, who knows what he believes. A plea of guilty makes me doubt his resolve and sincerity.
Joe Biden is siccing Lina Khan at the FTC on oil and refining industries over gas prices.
"WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden asked the Federal Trade Commission on Wednesday to investigate "anti-consumer" behavior by oil and gas companies and whether it's a reason for the soaring gas prices across the country."
----NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/soaring-gas-prices-prompt-biden-urge-ftc-examine-potential-illegal-n1284037
The main reason gas prices are rising is because demand is outstripping supply as the economy continues to reopen and people go back to work. The reasons gas prices are funky have to do with supply chain issues, regulations, and mandates--a problem to which Biden himself has contributed. Hell, even as I type, Biden is fighting to get Congress to pass his BBB budget reconciliation bill that is chock full of Green New Deal spending.
The progressives are playing both sides of the game here. On the one hand, they're doing everything they can to price fossil fuels out of the market on purpose for environmental reasons, while, simultaneously, on the other hand, they're playing like they need to regulate pricing because the cost to consumers is too high. I suppose a Biden era return to the Carter administration wouldn't be complete without a spastic government reaction to the oil markets.
Where's Ronald Reagan when we need him?
P.S. The system where unaccountable bureaucrats at the FTC regulate gasoline prices isn't the capitalist one. Socialism is when the government sets prices. Those of you who contributed to the failure to reelect Trump, to whatever extent--and are yet to regret it--need to go look at yourself in the mirror and give yourselves an upper cut again. Giving socialist progressives control of the White House and the FTC wasn't the principled capitalist solution to anything. It was the means by which the progressives were able to bend capitalism over and have their way.
Ever thought about a Final Solution to the progressive problem?
He thinks about it every day.
They're all stupid. They lack intelligence. They can't learn. They can't be taught. They can't be reasoned with. They're wrong about everything. They're ruining everything. They're evil. They have bad intentions. They vote. They have political power. Everything bad that ever happened in the world is their fault. They will not change. They will not stop until they have destroyed the world.
What is to be done about this progressive menace?
Drunk asshole sarc has no self awareness at all.
He's aware that Ken has him on mute and cries about it a lot.
It seems like what never is tried is presenting calm rational arguments against their economic and social theories, or standing up adult-acting, responsible, personable candidates to run against them.
You don't debate or exchange ideas with an evil person. That would lift their ideas to something worth consideration! They're not worth entertaining. You don't fraternize or empathize with the enemy. They're the enemy. They're wrong because of who they are.
Nah. Carpet bombing seems like a better alternative.
Carpet bomb San Fran?
Wouldn't a neutron bomb be better?
We can just wait for San Andreas to do us a favor and send it off to sea.
Peek a boo.
"It seems like what never is tried is presenting calm rational arguments against their economic and social theories"
Maybe people have become tired of trying to present rational arguments to people like Mike, who are disingenuous and argue in bad faith.
https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/?comments=true#comment-9091773
That is an example of Mike insisting he would never trust Rolling Stone- a mere 3 days after he had been spreading their fake ivermectin hoax.
It isn't that Mike was wrong, it was that he KNEW it was wrong and attempted to gas-light everyone on the thread that he is the reasonable person. Mike lies like this all the time. He claims to want rational conversation, but how can you have a rational conversation with someone who will come back, day after day, saying the same stuff over and over, without ever addressing his own mistakes from the past.
No, Mike isn't interested in rational conversation. He is interested in showing up to these comments, pretending to be reasonable, and hoping that no one will call him on it.
sarcasmic
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Do I single people out, accuse them of things they never said nor did, and then call them liars when they defend themselves?
I don't think I do that. When I do, let me know. And until then I'll keep telling people to get fucked when they do that to me.
That's from yesterday dummy.
Hey, he’s just asking questions!
And he violated his claims on 3 posts just above trying to flirt with Mike.
Progressives were behind THE final solution.
Correct
Why even have a comprehensive economic plan (and big government) if we can't dictate business activity, wages, and prices?
It’s for the best, really.
Their solutions are the problem.
P.S. We should probably be talking about this in terms of lockdowns, too. Oil production wouldn't have fallen the way it did had it not been for the severity and length of lockdowns in places like California and New York.
The speech was way worse than this article presents.
He went all Teddy Rosevelt , filled with fake anger about price gouging by big oil.
But more than Biden, I am astonished at the media. I mean, why not be this full of crap if you can get away with it.
Biden and the media have been celebrating rising gas prices all year as a good thing that Biden has done to save the planet. Now, they pivot on a dime and pretend that nothing before yesterday ever happened.
It really is like an Orwell novel. Nobody cancelled any pipelines or issued any drilling moratoriums. Nope. Never happened. It is all evil price gouging monopoly cartels.
What are they gonna do if the BBB budget reconciliation bill passes, when natural gas and heating oil prices spike over the winter?
Biden campaigned on eliminating natural gas from power production in 15 years, and Biden was explicitly pushed for that in his infrastructure bill.
"The backbone of President Biden's plan to use infrastructure spending to advance climate policy is a clean electricity standard for the power sector that has the potential to be the most aggressive ever enacted by the federal government.
Tucked into his $2.3 trillion infrastructure proposal is the aim of "achieving 100 percent carbon-free electricity by 2035," according to a fact sheet released yesterday by the White House."
----Scientific American
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bidens-infrastructure-plan-would-make-electricity-carbon-free-by-2035/
All that eventually got pushed into his BBB budget reconciliation bill, but still--Biden is pushing to have that bill passed right freakin' now. How will they walk that back when heating costs explode over the winter? I guess they'll launch an antitrust investigation into the natural gas industry?
This is life imitating Ayn Rand.
JFTR,
"Biden calls for 100 percent clean electricity by 2035."
----Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/07/30/biden-calls-100-percent-clean-electricity-by-2035-heres-how-far-we-have-go/
He's been campaigning to eliminate natural gas from power production for at least a year and a half.
The WSJ ran an excellent editorial
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-gas-price-diversion-oil-and-gas-companies-ftc-lina-khan-letter-11637190339
Biden’s Gas-Price Diversion
He sends out the FTC posse to chase the wrong suspects.
President Biden is feeling political pressure to show that he’s doing something about rising energy costs even as his Administration’s policies are a big part of the problem. Ergo, round up the usual fossil-fuel suspects.
On Wednesday the President sent a letter to Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan asserting that there is “mounting evidence of anti-consumer behavior by oil-and-gas companies.” He urged her—as if she needed his prodding to target businesses—to investigate illegal conduct and “bring all of the Commission’s tools to bear if you uncover any wrongdoing.”
The President complained—irony watch—that “the largest oil and gas companies in America are generating significant profits off higher energy prices.” Large producers like Exxon and Chevron are generating hefty profits because they have scaled back investment in new production due to pressure from green investors. Exxon this summer lost a board proxy campaign by a hedge fund allied with progressive investors who complained the oil and gas giant had prioritized new production over profits. The left doesn’t want either.
cont
Mr. Biden also complained that the “unexplained large gap between the price of unfinished gasoline and the average price at the pump is well above the pre-pandemic average.” He can blame in part the renewable fuel standard, aka ethanol mandate, which his Administration is working to ramp up.
Our sources say the ethanol mandate is adding roughly 14 cents per gallon to the cost of producing gasoline and diesel in the U.S. The difference between the cost of wholesale gasoline and ethanol adds another 10 cents. One easy way to reduce gasoline prices is to waive the ethanol mandate.
In any event, the main reason gasoline prices are rising is because demand is outstripping supply. The Administration is exacerbating the supply shortfall with policies that discourage and raise the costs of domestic production. Perhaps Ms. Khan should investigate the collusion among Democratic politicians, regulators and green investors.
Mr. Biden knows that the FTC is unlikely to turn up any illegal conduct. But unleashing the agency on energy companies gives the appearance of doing something while diverting public attention from the problem that is his own war on fossil fuels.
And there's stuff like this:
"In an effort to slow the nation's contribution to climate change, President Biden has signed an executive order to begin halting oil and gas leasing on federal lands and waters.
The much-anticipated move is one of several executive actions the president took on Wednesday to address the worsening climate crisis and the broader decline of the natural world, but it won't come without pushback."
----NPR
https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/27/960941799/biden-to-pause-oil-and-gas-leasing-on-public-lands-and-waters
Even if this was held up on challenges in court, how does his administration walk this back?
He did everything he could to limit natural gas and oil production. I don't think he could have tried any harder.
He's pushing for it this week in BBB bill!
It is Jimmy Carter all over again. We are so fucked.
At least Carter supported legalizing weed.
In sharp contrast, Biden is responsible for tens of thousands of blacks being imprisoned for drug offenses during the past 3 decades.
It's way worse than Jimmy Carter, no matter how much denial you want to live in
I am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter. We are not at his level of incompetence quite yet. I mean, interest rates through the roof. The misery index spiking. Iran holding our embassy employees hostage. Soviet Union deploying SS-20s in eastern Europe. It was a mess. I remember it well.
What I will say is that Brain-Damaged Biden is giving it the good old college try (to outdo Jimmy Carter in sheer incompetence).
They’re going to pay for their energy prices- cash transfers period. Just like the 25 percent raise in SNAP.
It’s already happening, and, oh yeah the US post office in progressive districts is now a bank and cashing paychecks- wink wink.
No need to walk this back. True party believers, just like Winston, can hold multiple, conflicting ideas as equally "true", and combine them to yield the answer required in that moment.
Don’t worry Ken, once the comptroller of the currency clears, all stimulus and credits for energy prices go to “the right people or Democrat voters” through the federal reserve. Her dissertation mentions that the feds will manipulate the accounts. Some accounts will be Credited, others will be Debited. She realizes it’s a bit controversial.
Manipulate savings accounts
But she's totally not a communist. No way, and how date you.
"dare", that is...
Progressive environmental activists are actively trying to shut down the main natural gas pipeline to my metro area currently.
Just in time for winter.
Guess not too many are warming to this idea.
Ooooooh, *gallows* Chumby...
But more than Biden, I am astonished at the media. I mean, why not be this full of crap if you can get away with it.
Between Reason, and some others like NBC-frickin'-news above, I'm getting a sense of 'Article V impending'.
Generous interpretation of their thoughts: "The BBB is gonna tank, Harris is a split from the current administration but not enough, we really need to start hedging our bets."
I said this about COVID, but it applies broadly. We're never going to get an apology, a coming-to-Jesus reconcilliation moment, or otherwise flat out recognition that mistakes were made. We're just going to get a subtle shift over the course of maybe a decade from "Joe is the most popular President Evah!" to "Future leaders should try not to mess with Afghanistan/energy prices/health crises... like leaders of the past." (to a decade later, 'those guys were fools, we've got it this time, full speed ahead!').
I'd love to see a half dozen major oil companies all take out advertising. "Joe Biden is right. We're the bad guys here. And we're going to stop. We quit. Thank Joe Biden when you run out of gas!"
Those of you who cheered on the reelection of Trump, the thief who stole by executive taxation, confiscated private property and made Fauci the front and center star of the pandemic, can punch themselves in the face.
And you can kill yourself, pussy.
It's fucking pretentious cowards like Sometimes a Great Notion, not half as smart as they believe themselves to be but ten times as resentful, who grease the skids for totalitarians to take control.
You have absolutely no inherent value.
Never claimed to be smart, just a guy who works in construction. If I was smart like you, I'd probably understand why the president stealing by executive order taxation is in fact a legal constitutional power. So please explain sometime or shut fuck up you piece of trash.
It's more likely they're angry at the people putting up "I did that" Biden stickers on the gas pumps.
"Chansley did not commit a violent crime, and is certainly unlikely to re-offend."
How do we know he will not reoffend? We have seen far too much contrition in court that goes out the window when defendants are released.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that there will never be another event like 1/6 in my lifetime, which is highly likely to align with Chansley's.
If the Republicans take the house, senate or White house, you can count on it.
You're right. Life sentences should be automatic. You never know when someone is going to reoffend.
You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
This isn't a moderate, or a civil liberties-centered viewpoint. It is, however, a viewpoint based on bias, making a presumption of behavior based on your biases. Further, who are you to say that another citizen needs to be contrite, or whether their contrition is authentic? Busybodies are authoritarian, cryptototalitarian, not moderate.
It’s a parody.
What if those yahoos had succeeded? What if they had gotten to the chamber full of congress critters? What then?
You Trumpistas like to play this off like it was tourists milling about, but what do you honestly think these idiots would have done if they'd gotten their paws on Pelosi?
Oh but BLM was worse and if you don't sufficiently decry BLM then you've got no business criticizing the events of Jan 6 hur durr...
Look in the mirror dudes. You're fucking ridiculous.
What if you weren’t a hopeless alcoholic idiot?
Sarc continues to address people he’s muted. Someone who he hasn’t muted should encourage him to seek psychological help.
Sarc, for jailing people on the belief of what might have happened!
I’m known here for being critical of the MAGA protestors, but I do think a distinction should be made between the protestors who can be proven to have engaged in violent acts vs. those who were non-violent.
I think Chansley’s sentence is excessive, but would not be troubled to see the book thrown at others who did things like assaulting Capitol Police.
They're all guilty of criminal stupidity. Though I have no idea of what an appropriate punishment for that is being that by definition because they're stupid they won't learn a damn thing.
“They're all guilty of criminal stupidity.”
Agreed.
More self awareness fail.
Link to the statute that addresses stupidity.
So are you going to turn yourself in?
You'd be in jail for life if the criteria was stupidity. Same with Mike.
"They're all guilty of criminal stupidity. "
What bearing does this have on anything, though, Sarc?
Is it just your way of saying "Hey I don't like these guys?"
Or are you implying (by using the word "criminal") that their stupidity should be punished by the law? Because if so, it would be a pretty unlibertarian viewpoint.
I do think a distinction should be made between the protestors who can be proven to have engaged in violent acts vs. those who were non-violent.
Liar. You called them all traitors for weeks. Acting conciliatory after you get exactly the overblown sentence that you wanted and whined and cried about for 10 months is just another flicker of the gaslight.
I have more respect for SPB saying they all deserved a bullet than your insidious bullshit.
Ah, yes, liberty and justice means imprisoning people for crimes you imagine they might have committed had things happened other than the way they did.
BLM was worse! Why aren't they in prison? What about BLM? Look at the red herring! The red herring did it!
As someone pointed out above, there are “BLM” rioters who have gone to prison. It kinda ruins the whole conservative victimhood narrative to acknowledge that, though.
As someone pointed out above, there are “BLM” rioters who have gone to prison.
NUH UH! THEY ALL GOT AWAY WITH IT! YOU'RE LYING! YOU HATE TRUMP! YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN!
Broken.
Burning down buildings = feet on the desk.
You mean the person who was then given evidence that the vast majority of BLM rioters and looters were not charged and many of those that were were simply given deferment? That's your equality statement? No wonder you buy into both sides are equal.
Some animals are more equal than others. (Also, CRT in one sentence.)
Actually, Justice does demand that. If someone robs a bank, and botches the job, they still get convicted of bank robbery.
This has sadly rarely stopped prosecution or sentencing for 'what could have been.'
Also, my comments on BLM are widely misunderstood (intentionally misunderstood by people like JesseAz).
I’m not a fan of BLM, and have never defended their politics. What I have said is that most acts that have been blamed on “BLM” were perpetrated by rioters who have no actual affiliation with BLM, the organization.
And wearing a BLM t-shirt or waving a sign that says, “Black Lives Matter”, does not implicate BLM, the organization, as having orchestrated any of their riotous acts.
It is a valid criticism that BLM should be more vocal in condemning acts done in their name, but many, many commenters go way beyond that criticism to claim BLM is responsible for acts of unaffiliated rioters and thugs.
You don't understand. Every protestor was a rioter. All those peaceful demonstrations you saw didn't happen. Don't believe your lying eyes. Every protest was like Portland Oregon. And if you dare to say anything different then you support rioters and hate America. Why do you hate America?
And mark defends White Mike by making a strawman argument that White Mike accuses the other side of doing. LOL.
Sarcasmic, 1/6 was more peaceful than ANY BLM protest was last summer. Nobody killed by the protesters and little damage done.
There were BLM marches in several cities and towns in my state. Nobody even broke a bottle or crushed a can.
There were some Trumpistas milling about with ARs and tactical gear "to protect the spectators." I'm just glad nobody attacked the yahoos, or there's be another trial happening right now.
That is a lie, son.
Just funny that the governors could not get Natl Guard up to try and deal with mass riots...but sending them to DC for nothing was easy to do.
Showing that the Dems explicitly supported the riots.
Don't! stop! .. Belee! Ving! .. Hold on to that fee-ee-ee-ee-li-ing!
Seriously dude, you're so wrong. I've never disputed the riots and such. And while they were common in certain places, throughout the rest of the country they only happened on tv.
And yet you think thats what people were talking about in articles regarding the Portland riots?
You really are a dumb mother fucker. Or is it daughter?
These two autist pillow biters def have a support group chat on the side.
BLMs stance on Rittenhouse is what? They seem to be offended that people came out to mitigate and prevent the effects of the rioting.
I don’t actually know what BLM spokespersons have said about the Rittenhouse case. Can you cite any statements you know of?
Are we back to "Did they membership cards?" nonsense again?
Can you prove what protesters on 1/6 had anything to do with an attempt to "overthrow" an election? Give me a number, son.
When he was doing that shit I linked to the Twitter of local independent news people who outed rioters as local blm leadership and he said that wasn't proof.
Cite cite cite. But never oblige when someone asks you.
I think I am top of both of their lists.
No, your comments are not misunderstood.
The question is not if the BLM rioters are worse, the question is are they being treated comparably?
The rote insistence that those charged for Jan. 6 are not political prisoners sounds like answering a question not asked. It does not reassure.
“The question is not if the BLM rioters are worse, the question is are they being treated comparably?”
It is a valid comparison to make, IF IF IF the person asking the question acknowledges the important distinction that the January 6th rioters were trying to interfere with the certification of the electoral college votes and stop the peaceful transition from one Presidential administration to another, a core event in the functioning of our nation’s government.
The BLM riots were in support of a political goal. Jan 6 was in support of a political goal. At base, I do not think there is much legal difference.
I disagree. Trying to interfere with Congress carrying out a core Constitutional activity is an egregiously more serious political act.
...then causing billions in damage and several deaths?
In an effort to effect an upcoming election for one party, while members of that party in power went out of their way to allow it to continue.
It’s literally what terrorism means.
Yet you dismiss those banging on doors during a congressional duty for electing justices.
If BLM never happened, would you judge these yahoos differently?
If I was not getting evidence that similar circumstances are treated differently depending on the politics of the people involved, then I probably would think differently. Also, I have my doubts that Jan 6 would have happened the way it did without the previous six months of "mostly peaceful" arson, looting and such.
This got me under fire before (because people don't like the truth) but while yeah there was indeed "arson, looting and such," it only happened in a few specific places. The rest of the country did not experience the bullshit you claim to be commonplace at every BLM march.
"arson, looting and such," it only happened in a few specific places.
Says the dipshit in fucking Maine. There was significant damage and looting in every major city. I know for a fact that Austin and San Antonio had millions in damages. Portland and Seattle were lawless shitholes as reported right here on Reason.
Denver and Aurora got particularly spicy because of Elijah McClain. During one protest that went on to I-225, a Jeep driver got shot at because he was getting blocked off by the protesters, and sped through trying to escape, and then the speds went and vandalized the Aurora city hall. Rioting in Denver led to the Civil War statue of a Union soldier getting torn down and the Colorado History Museum getting its windows smashed, not to mention all the other property damage that took place.
Aurora's city council actually ended up moving back to the right after a couple of election cycles of radical leftists being placed in council seats, likely because the city's degenerated back to the same levels of high-crime shitholery that it was in the early-mid 1990s.
Any shenanigans in Boulder?
No, because Boulder is a city of mostly upper-class white people who've pushed their servant class out to Lafayette and Longmont.
I miss living there and I really don't miss living there. Hitchhiking back from Ozzy at Red Rocks, some dipshit picked me up and then dropped me off in fucking Broomfield. So at dawn I'm thumbing it back to Boulder at some intersection where I can see my destination in the distance...
Weren't there riots on The Hill back in 96 or 97? That's when I left and things were getting tense.
So at dawn I'm thumbing it back to Boulder at some intersection where I can see my destination in the distance..
Dude, there's been an RTD Park and Ride in Broomfield right at the turnpike intersection for decades. The fuck you doing hitchhiking back to Boulder instead of just taking the bus?
Weren't there riots on The Hill back in 96 or 97?
Every once in a while the student body likes to set furniture on fire out in the yards, but that's just typical CU stuff.
I was at work one time when they did that on Independence Day. They had couches on fire and were shooting fireworks at the cops. I got home after the mayhem. I was so pissed.
See no evil.
The question is not if the BLM rioters are worse, the question is are they being treated comparably?
Even that is not the right question. I have watched for my entire adult life while protestors blocked bridges in Portland to protest a war in the ME, occupied towns nowhere near Wall Street, and looted businesses all over the country in protest of a shooting in Minneapolis. Protestors taking their personal causes and making them the problem of everyone in their immediate vicinity regardless of the relevance. It is unethical behavior.
On Jan 6, those people had a problem with Congress and the election and they went to the seat of Congress to protest the certification. It was an honest protest. I believe that this is the reason it is being treated so differently than all the other bullshit protests we have had to put with all these years. An honest protest cannot be tolerated because the lack of a response cannot be dismissed for irrelevance.
We can only hope that Nancy would have swallowed her cyanide capsule, rather than be ravished by the Huns. AOC, on the other hand...
If I stuck my dick in AOC her eyeballs would pop out.
From puking?
Dumb autist statement. He alone thinks this makes sense or is funny.
The rest of the population cringe and wish for psych wards to be taken seriously again for mentally defective people
but what do you honestly think these idiots would have done if they'd gotten their paws on Pelosi?
Is there a shred of evidence that supports the fantasy that the elite were in specific serious physical danger? Yes, riots are bad, and things get out of hand in any riot, but there's not one iota of evidence that physical harm was at the forefront of the intent of the rioters.
But let's play out your crazy hypothetical. Imagine there was a bloodbath and they murdered 50 Congresscritters. And then? And then the police would come in, clean house, and we have a giant day of morning, and Trump would be permanently humiliated, and we'd have Biden as President and a bunch of special elections. Lots of bad stuff. Not a threat to the republic.
And none of that actually happened. So don't sentence somebody based on your fanciful hypotheticals.
I simply asked a question. What you just said came from your mind and your mind alone.
"Just asking questions" is a top 10 dumb response.
So why exactly did you ask "what would have happened to Pelosi"?
Regardless, my answer is that she would have had a heart attack because she would have been scared to death, wrapped up in her own fears.
So why exactly did you ask "what would have happened to Pelosi"?
To see what kind of dark fantasies would be revealed in the answers.
Ideas!
Another autistic response.
"Another
autisticalcoholic response."Fixed.
Is that your thing now? I'm autistic?
Good luck with that.
There are people I don't respond to. Not because I'm a herpy-derp, but because any conversation with them is a waste of time.
It seems to be a badge of honor now.
Yet you keep addressing us in your posts.
Everyone else is the problem, not poor sarcasmic. He's always just a harmless victim of hundreds of peoples bullying.
You're wasting your time, Sarc. To those people is only comes down to tribal colors. Team Blue bad, Team Red can do nothing wrong.
These SAME people were claiming this dude was an antifa plant ten months ago. Then they claimed (still do) that it was all peaceful. They point to the protester killed but ignore the police officer killed. They ignore the fact that extreme right wingers actually stormed the capital in an attempt change the election. They ignore that this riot was planned in advance, and Buffalo Dude was one of the planners, and the goal was to ensure Trump remained president.
But because they are members of Team Red, it means Team Red cannot see them as being in the wrong.
Point to BLM rioters is just an attempt deflect attention away. "But they did it, so why can't we?"
All of that is your own projection. He was in the wrong. He deserved to be punishment. But the punishment should fit the crime.
What crime? I thought he was a peaceful tourist.
Constant caricaturization makes you as much of a troll as everyone you like to call out as such.
Sarc’s a broken hypocrite.
Except the "peaceful tourist" argument has been made regularly on these comments.
And made by the prosecution.
Non violent parading doesn't seem like the murderous mob you claimed in your jeff like "just asking questions" statement dummy.
What did he do that was any different than a tourist, you fascist fuck.
I’m sure sarc has a cite of MP calling him a peaceful tourist.
Which is what I posted elsewhere. 51 months is too long, but some prison is justified. Perhaps 12 to 24 months. The crime was severe.
What I object do it the Team Red defense of an outright criminal.
Brandbuck is a totalitarian shit, and pure evil.
There can be no peace.
What crime, you fascist fuck?
Don't just allude like a weasel. Have the balls to define just what you think was so terrible that it deserves two years in prison.
How cruel of you to point that out! The jury of your peers-into-urinalysis-Dixiecups is sure to sentence you to a severe scolding for that breach of legal ethics.
How cruel of you to point that out! The jury of your peers-into-urinalysis-Dixiecups is shocked at that breach of legal ethics.
"What if those yahoos had succeeded? What if they had gotten to the chamber full of congress critters? What then?"
These are reasons to impeach Trump, and prosecute the organizers of the event.
They aren't reasons to lock up some looney who happened to get a lot of screen time.
Agreed. It's like shooting the mascot over the outcome of a game.
Yet you continue to support it.
"What if they had gotten to the chamber full of congress critters?"
They were completely unarmed, you psychotic weasel. 200 Larpers and edgelords surrounded by 2000 armed officers.
Your demented game of "what if" is based on calumny and you obviously know it.
Congrat's Bubba. You just made my shit list. It's like sarcasmic's enemies list, but for retards.
"What if those yahoos had succeeded? What if they had gotten to the chamber full of congress critters? What then?"
Don't tease me with happy thoughts.
"You Trumpistas like to play this off like it was tourists milling about, but what do you honestly think these idiots would have done if they'd gotten their paws on Pelosi?"
Again, teasing with happy thoughts.
What would have happened? Less than what Rand Paul suffered walking outside in DC.
"Oh but BLM was worse and if you don't sufficiently decry BLM then you've got no business criticizing the events of Jan 6 hur durr...
Look in the mirror dudes. You're fucking ridiculous."
I'll note you don't actually have a response to that simple yet factual statement.
You are really bad at this.
What's the factual statement? That you're fucking ridiculous?
That BLM was markedly worse, you fucking moron.
All I've seen is that conservatives need to crank up the violence.
What does it matter? Should one be judged based upon the other? Sounds like you're just pissy that masked people in crowds in the dark got away with shit while unmasked people on camera did not. Well, duh.
No. Just sounds like the Right should ramp up the violence exponentially.
Somebody in a mask is rioting....shoot them dead. Pick up the casing and they have no way to prove you killed them. Easy, no?
Do it then. I'm sure Nardz and Sevo would join your gang.
Just ideas! Need your post from yesterday where you claimed you didn't do this again?
Try me.
Try what? Try joining your gang of Trumpistas who exact violence on anyone driving a Prius or having a COEXIST sticker on their car?
No thanks, dude. I'm not that crazy.
I drive a Subaru. It's a utilitarian vehicle in the long Maine winter. But do you it's a political statement. It incites you to violence.
I drive a Subaru
Did sarcasmic just come out as a lesbian?
"IDEAS!"
I don't think anyone knows. But unless they can prove that they had particular intentions, I don't see how it's relevant to any of the criminal charges. As far as I have seen no one has been charged with conspiring to harm congresscritters or anything like that. And if there was anything like that, we'd be hearing about it non-stop.
"And if there was anything like that, we'd be hearing about it non-stop"
This
"What if those yahoos had succeeded? What if they had gotten to the chamber full of congress critters? What then?"
They would have probably gone into congress yelling and screaming until they were escorted out as has happened hundreds of times before when protestors got into congress (most recently before this, during Kavanaugh hearings, where there were as many as 300 arrests).
"You Trumpistas like to play this off like it was tourists milling about, but what do you honestly think these idiots would have done if they'd gotten their paws on Pelosi?"
This has nothing to do with Trumpistas. It has to do with someone who- by my understanding- was not violent or destructive, who is now being given 4 years of prison after months in solitary confinement. For some reason, you seem to be able to predict what he *would* have done...and for that reason he should be punished? For what you PREDICT he would have done had he made it to the floor of congress?
what do you honestly think these idiots would have done if they'd gotten their paws on Pelosi?
Given her the Sicknick treatment and let her die of a stroke after the riots were over?
#BidenBoom update.
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Since its founding decades ago, the primary goal of Koch / Reason libertarianism has been to concentrate wealth at the very top. It has taken Joe Biden only 10 months to build an economy that accomplishes this with maximum efficiency.
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They committed trespassing and broke other laws, and it's legitimate for the government to prosecute them.
THEY WERE TOURISTS! THEY DID NOTHING WRONG! BLM IS WORSE! AAUUUGGHHH!!!!!
God, don’t you ever get tired of being a lying piece of shit?
People are saying exactly this elsewhere in the commentariat.
That one started on mute even though I'd never seen the name before. Meaning it's someone (like Tulpa) who shows up with a different handle every day while spouting the same childish nonsense.
peek a boo
Since your peeking, sarc, can you post your full enemies list? We want to know the rankings.
It has the benefit of being an accurate statement.
Sarc just posted this same thing 6 minutes earlier and seems to have forgotten that.
You really have turned into a more alcoholic version of white mike.
Ideas!
"If a 3.5-year sentence sounds harsh for what was ultimately a nonviolent charge—obstructing an official proceeding in Congress—consider that Chansley has already spent the past several months in jail in solitary confinement."
----Robby Soave
In related news, the FBI's counterterrorism divisions targeting parents at school boards meetings is now confirmed.
"The heads of the FBI’s criminal and counterterrorism divisions instructed agents in an Oct. 20 memo to flag all assessments and investigations into potentially criminal threats, harassment and intimidation of educators with a “threat tag,” which the officials said would allow them to evaluate the scope of the problem.
The internal email asks FBI agents to consider the motivation behind any criminal activity and whether it potentially violates federal law. Agents should tag such threats “EDUOFFICIALS” to better track them, according to the memo, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
“The purpose of the threat tag is to help scope this threat on a national level, and provide an opportunity for comprehensive analysis of the threat picture for effective engagement with law enforcement partners at all levels,” says the email signed by Timothy Langan, the FBI’s assistant director for counterterrorism, and Calvin Shivers, the assistant director of the bureau’s criminal division, who retired this month.
----WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-tracks-threats-against-teachers-school-board-members-11637092957?
We all saw what the U.S. Attorney's Office did to commenters here at Reason in the personage of Preet Behara. The purpose of turning all those innocuous comments into threats was to chill speech, and that's the same purpose of this. The Biden administration wrote a letter to itself (under the guise of NSBA) to justify siccing the FBI's counterterrorism divisions on parents who oppose their local school boards--to intimidate them into silence. The Biden administration is the most authoritarian and socialist threat to our freedom since FDR, and the progressives who support his administration are clearly America's most horrible people.
Did he call CNN fake news?? Huh? Did he!?!!?
Yeah, didn't think so.
You have no evidence the FBI was actually sicced on any parents. The whole episode amounted to nothing more than partisan theater as far as we know.
Right? It's a good thing they got caught planning to sic the FBI on parents before they could actually do it.
Stop lying.
Like turd; if Mike ain't lying, he ain't posting.
I dunno man. I get my American news from a British tabloid, and they're not saying good things on this subject.
No, they just spied on them for no reason.
They were putting people into a terrorist database. Next up Mike defends putting randoms in the terrorist flight database.
And even that falsely conflates the mandates and order of operations. It's not like they have some event and are working and profiling back down the network of associates to figure out who was involved. They're literally looking through random "crimes" outside their jurisdiction and trying to cobble together a network.
Mike defends putting Muslims in the terrorist flight database in 1999.
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That was Amanda. As in a-man-duh.
Qanon Shaman gets 3 years in prison for walking in to a building with a capital policeman holding the door for him. He disrupted an official proceeding, and that is a crime.
Meanwhile.....
The guy who assaulted Senator Rand Paul, breaking 3 ribs, got 6 months home confinement.
We need a wet mop and a case of Dr Trump's Butthurt Salve on Aisle 666 on the double. That's in front of the Landover Baptist "Jezebel in Hell" calendars display.
What year is it Hank?
But nothing political to it, just ask useful idiot Robby.
"The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners"
Yeah, they are. Let's be real here. It's why this guy is getting over 4 years for this crime while BLM rioters got significantly less if anything at all.
It is 100% political.
What Robby meant was "they don't share my white progressive politics".
Don't let these people pretend like they support criminal justice reform.
"DEFACING!!!!"
Graffiti is illegal you know; 10 months solitary!
Hey, reason!!!
Someone sitting in jail without bail for 10 months awaiting trial for trespassing is unquestionably a political prisoner, particularly in the context of 2020 where no amount of political violence on the left was punished. Even the Mayor of DC vandalized city streets with political slogans. Not only were people not held without bail for arson, looting, assaulting police.... They were never even charged, and no attempt to arrest them was even made in most cases.
Stop with the stupid gasslighting. It is a political prosecution, start to finish. If you honestly cannot see that, maybe you should pick another profession.
Their profession is controlled (occasional) opposition to advance leftist totalitarianism
"..."You were facing 20 years, Mr. Chansley. The one advantage you get here is you're only facing now 41 months,"..."
20 years for wearing a costume on public property?
Obvioulsy for the serious misdemeanor crime of "obstructing Congress" and "parading"
"Scientific American Goes Woke"
[...]
"...Since then, I have received many queries about why my column ended and, more generally, about what has happened over at Scientific American, which historically focused primarily on science, technology, engineering and medicine (STEM), but now appears to be turning to social justice issues. There is, for example, the August 12, 2021 article on how “Modern Mathematics Confronts its White Patriarchal Past,” which asserts prima facie that the reason there are so few women and blacks in academic mathematics is because of misogyny and racism..."
https://michaelshermer.substack.com/p/scientific-american-goes-woke
That happened a long time ago. I had been reading Scientific American cover to cover until around 1999 when the editor announced that they would not be publishing any articles questioning global warming, as it was too politically important to question the consensus. I stopped buying the magazine immediately, as it struck me as the most anti-science stance they could take.
At the same time there was this weird little article that demonstrated the less control a constituency had in selecting its legislatve representatives the greater number of women in the legislature (China had the greatest percentage). They author seemed to think that more women was better than more democratic control, which I found offputting.
My 'scrip was not renewed about the same time.
The Economist also got the delete key when they started running articles questioning how 'women and minorities' were affected by a certain policy.
Ditto.
Global warming had nothing to do with it. The "Skeptic" page moved from debunking pseudoscience imo pure political opinion pieces masquerading as simple statements of fact. Then this editorial stance spread from the skeptic page to the entire magazine.
So Shermer 'infected' the magazine and the editors had no control?
Is that tin-foil hat on with the shiny side out?
I was also a subscriber to Skeptic back in the day.
My opinion of scientific American came about as a 25+ year subscriber who also subscribed to other science and related publications. Sometimes Popular science and Mechanics when I was a kid. National geographic. Sky and telescope. Astronomy. Omni. Compute's Gazette.
I had a raft of periodicals coming in for quite a long time.
Scientific American was one of my last holdouts in science.... Written at a high enough level to be interesting, well produced (unlike new scientist).
But then everything became politics. And not just politics... But partisan politics. It became stupid. I am sure climate change was part of it, being the Al Gore era. But I have never been an adamant advocate on that topic. It was more the tilting of every issue, every article. They went from covering the science news of the day to finding a political issue and centering most of an issue on pounding that from a partisan point of view.
Which is... Not entertaining. and not informative.
So I reluctantly gave up my decades long habit after two or three years of making declarations of resolve " this is the last time I re-up this subscription! If they don't get any better..."
I forget the actual publication, “Skeptical Inquiry” or something like that. Actually subscribed because it was recommended because I was subscribed to Reason at the time. The very first magazine I received started with a note from the editor about how stupid people were for questioning global warming (they hadn’t changed it to climate change yet).
Very skeptical of them.
Had a scrip to SI since, likely '75, and it was for a long period of time a very good publication.
But about the time it went to 4-color, slick paper (say late 80's), Paul Kurtz (editor or publisher) did an editorial whining about how pubs not owned by one of four or five 'korparashuns' couldn't survive.
Went from a mimeographed newsletter to 4-color, full size mag, and he's whining!
That 'scrip did not get renewed.
I stopped reading Scientific American in 1999, too, but it was because the editor wrote an opening page that claimed the millennium would be starting the next year, in 2000.
That’s not even scientifically wrong. That’s just mathematically wrong.
I can tolerate that your average person believed that the new millennium started on January 1st, 2000. But a scientific or mathematical magazine should know better.
41 months may be too long, but some actual prison time is more than justified for his actions.
He was one of the ringleaders for a riot that stormed the capital building. Contrary to rightwing claims that he was an antifa plant, he was not, and evidence from his social media shows he helped organize the event.
Don't let you tribalism for Trump fool you, if the Democrats tried the same thing you would be calling for the harsher sentences. He helped lead a mob into the capital building in an attempt to overthrow an election. People died during the riot he actively encouraged.
Time served and a swift kick in the ass is all the moron really deserved, in my opinion.
He should never have been in solitary confinement for ten months. This is an insane miscarriage of justice.
People are often put in solitary for their own protection.
Cops. Child molesters. Trump supporters.
Because general population will rip their arms off.
You fucking off and dying is what we all deserve, lefty shit.
Or just resentment that he got special organic meals provided to him.
That was an exceptionally retarded justification for an obvious political prosecution.
Let's say a bunch of Hillary supporters had done the same thing in 2017, would you have been so forgiving?
Yes, asshole; rule of law, not political favoritism.
Fuck off and die.
Because no Hillary supporters did anything similar after she lost.
They did at Kavanaugh hearings.
I don't recall any right-wingers demanding that other unruly protesters in the capitol be imprisoned for long terms after the Kavanaugh protests or any other of the many protests that have disrupted congress over the years. Certainly not 9 months after the fact.
You fucking off and dying is what we all deserve, lefty shit.
Yet above you spend a dozen posts trying to mock those saying 41 months is an injustice. Can you remain consistent even for an hour?
Drunks have problem remembering what they said a minute ago; stupid drunks are worse.
Actual prison time? For misdemeanor charges?
Just say "I'm a white progressive that enjoys straight fascism when I don't like someone's politics" and be done with it.
No one from the summer of endless riots faced anything even near this harsh for felony charges. Most weren't even charged.
"People died during the riot he actively encouraged."
This is also a lie. You need to stop getting all your news from Maddow. The only person who died was murdered by Capitol Police. The cop that liars in the media said was killed died of natural causes according to the autopsy. But, maybe the coronor works for the Russians?
It seems, from the silence, that both sarc and Mike have finally given up lying about the cops' deaths.
Only took 6 months or so - that attachment to lefty bullshit is hard to break.
"...He was one of the ringleaders for a riot that stormed the capital building. Contrary to rightwing claims that he was an antifa plant, he was not, and evidence from his social media shows he helped organize the event..."
Don't let bullshit from TDS addled assholes like Brandyshit fool you, organizing a protest is not illegal and the guy should be suing for false arrest.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, you steaming pile of shit, you head wants company.
And please, make your family proud and the world a more intelligent place: Fuck off and die.
Equally to the point, being highly recognizable and a 'ringleader' does not make one a leader, de facto or otherwise. And, quite frankly, I can take anybody's social media activity and present it so they appear to be 'organizing' events. This is not complicated, but the biased and gullible fall for it hook, line and sinker.
in this case:
Biased = sarc, while gullible = Brandyshit?
Nathaniel Branden sentence completion exercise: "It takes one to..."
“41 months may be too long, but some actual prison time is more than justified for his actions.”
Agreed he should see some prison time, or maybe time in a psychiatrist’s office, but I absolutely think 41 months is excessive.
No you don't. And no matter how many times you say it, the narrative will be that you thought the guy should have gotten life. So get used to it now. You're wrong about that you say you think. Others know better.
You were just defending ten months of solitary confinement. Who do you actually think you're fooling here?
Himself and his mommy.
What did I defend? You read way too much into things.
You lie way too much.
You also defended Ashley Babbit's execution by cop.
Sigh. I know.
No, shitbag, you don't know much of anything.
"41 months may be too long"
MAY be?
Whoa, slow down on that take there.
"Don't let you tribalism for Trump fool you, if the Democrats tried the same thing you would be calling for the harsher sentences."
They HAVE done that. Did it during Kavanaugh swearing in. Did it to the Dept of Interior a few weeks ago.
They got, as usual, nothing.
So fuck it. Arm yourselves and open fire on the next progressive protest.
Brandybuck somehow also forgets about last August when they laid seige to the White House and burned down St. John's.
But in his defense those protesters were using harmless bricks, safety guns and very light molotov cocktails, whereas the January 6 goons were armed with military-grade flagpoles and assault fire-extinguishers.
Brandyshit is still trying to justify his raging TDS.
Translation: Viva Franco!
if the Democrats tried the same thing you would be calling for the harsher sentences
That is complete speculative bullshit. That's what you moron left shills just won't acknowledge. I never saw anybody say that the BLM marchers deserved jail time. Not even for trespass or inadvertent damage. They did deserve to be arrested when they acted as cover for rioters and looters by refusing to disperse, but I would never advocate jail for anyone that was not proven to have engaged in violence or theft.
How he can ignore the August 2020 two-day assault on the White House and also the Kavanagh protesters is beyond me.
Another incident Brandybuck and the media seems to "forget", is back in 1983 when a far-left feminist group detonated a bomb in the Capitol blasting a 15-foot gash in a wall and causing $1 million in damage.
The democrats did the exact same thing storming congress and it wasn't even a blip on the radar.
FFS the dems started rioting one day after election day 2016.
"If a 3.5-year sentence sounds harsh for what was ultimately a nonviolent charge—obstructing an official proceeding in Congress—consider that Chansley has already spent the past several months in jail in solitary confinement."
Where's your fake "criminal justice reform" guy that Michael Malice rightly notes is just a standard progressive? Is he too busy still looking for Russians under his bed?
Seriously, change your tagline from "free minds and free markets" to "honk, honk" at this point.
Translation: Let me and Jesus tell you how to run a magazine!
Hank's been drinking. Again.
I always assume it’s harder drugs than alcohol with Hank.
QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley Gets 41 Months in Prison
Yay! He should have gotten more just for being America’s Top Douchebag. I know as a libertarian I’m supposed to get up in arms about these things but sometimes when I look around at all these fucking gaslighting right-wing fucks I look to Signapore and sigh a little. You think they’d put up with this shit? Nono, they’d have Mr. Shamen in a 24-hour video taped pink padded cell with an anal probe monitoring his temperature and blood glucose level. Maybe he needs that.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
America’s Top Douchebag award went to Biden. 80 million votes.
Shame commie shit wasn't running; he could'a out-drawn droolin' Joe.
I look to Signapore and sigh a little. You think they’d put up with this shit?
That's why in Singapore people light themselves on fire to protest the government. You lefties are nothing if not completely ignorant as to the sufferings of actual people.
In other news, Joseph "Kiddie Raper" Rosenbaum and Anthony "Domestic Abuser" Huber are still dead.
I’ve been here for a while and I’ll just say this website has gone from the place where people complain about their taxes to a place that celebrates fascist violence— committed both by bonafide fascists as well as government employees. The change hasn’t been great. I like the old reason.com better, where it was just old guys and their false consciousness.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I’ve been here for a while and I’ll just say this website has gone from the place where people complain about their taxes to a place that celebrates fascist violence— committed both by bonafide fascists as well as government employees.
Hey, we didn't make the rules, we're just adapting to the game.
Relax, fascist. I think the proper punishment for Douchebag Shamen is for him to get some probation followed by a lifetime of doxxing by ANTIFA and people laughing at him as America’s biggest complete fucking asshat. Let’s keep things in perspective. You’re the one that want to lock up people for victimless crimes like crossing the Rio Grande. I’m the one who doesn’t.
Hopefully the Kenosha kid can visit you like he did your comrades
Relax commie shit; the proper punishment for you is to be sent to North Korea where you can enjoy the abundant food and get shot for, oh, not paying your bills.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
See? Looters speak truly when exposing each others' faults. Remember that when they try to brainwash you into voting Kleptocracy.
Relax, commie. Just lay back and think of the Spanish Popular Front.
We are supporting Rittenhouse, who was ridden the house of violent fascists.
"This website has gone from the place where people complain about their taxes to a place that celebrates fascist violence"
LOL
The looter needs to learn about the "Mute User" function. Christianofascism infiltrated the LP on the coattails of a Texas pediatrician committed to using the violence of law to force women into his practice. But this is reversible. Start by using the Mute User to flag hostile sockpuppet christianofascists. Then donate only to pro-choice LP candidates and county/state parties. The DNC will pick up on the stats and suddenly quit jackboot-licking. I am rosily seeing much of the original LP of 1972-76 thanks to the narc flagger.
'Signapore' also wouldn't put up with the stupidity from your in-group, or the politicians you prefer. Or you. https://freedomhouse.org/country/singapore/freedom-world/2021
Wait, you look to Singapore as an escape from right-wingers?
Cripes, you really don't know anything about Singapore, huh?
Or Asia in general.
Where else can you ride a rickshaw to a public caning?
"..The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners, and they are certainly not heroes. They committed trespassing and broke other laws,.."
Up yours, Soave; the public "trespassing" on public property is not illegal and scaring Pence and Pelosi is also not illegal (it should be applauded.)
"The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners,"
This has to be the stupidest (and clearly wrong) thing Soave has ever written.
Does Soave similarly believe that Pelosi's 2nd impeachment of Trump wasn't political either.
In fact, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, other partisan Dems and their left wing media propagandists have been lying about the largely peaceful protest by Trump supporters on Jan 6 (where Ray Epps and deep state DOJ/FBI agents broke into the Capitol and urged Trump supporters to follow).
Nancy Pelosi and DC Mayor Bowser rejected Trump's request for additional National Guard troops to surround the Capitol on Jan 6.
Pelosi repeatedly lied about Brian Sicknick's cause of death, as she falsely claimed he died from being attacked by Trump supporters.
Pelosi protected and exonerated the Capitol Police Officer (who murdered unarmed and non threatening Ashli Babbitt) of all wrongdoing.
Pelosi has failed to subpoena Ray Epps or any of FBI agents who actually incited the break in and property damage at the Capitol.
This shaman guy clearly has mental health problems, but of course left wing Dems (who boast about their concern for mentally ill people) and Judge Lamberth want him to rot in prison for another three years.
Anyone who wants to know what really happened on Jan 6 at the Capitol should read
https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/
Unfortunately for the truth, Democrats and their left wing media propagandists (i.e. NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC, USA Today, AP, etc) and social media allies have refused to even report about Epps or others who actually incited the breakin and property damage at the Capitol (as they're far more interested in blaming Trump).
Judging by the corporate press's track record of being absolutely wrong about everything for the past five years, this will probably end up being true in the next few months.
"Pelosi has failed to subpoena Ray Epps or any of FBI agents who actually incited the break in and property damage at the Capitol."
They're not interested in actually finding any truths. That's why this poor idiot is going away for 41 months- so they can put his ridiculous picture on the front page and have a face for the "Insurrection." Shaman guy is propaganda.
'This shaman guy clearly has mental health problems,'
Not enough. Enough to make him a reactionary cause célèbre, but not enough for an insanity plea.
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
a 3.5-year sentence sounds harsh for what was ultimately a nonviolent charge
So he'll be out right before the republicans can retake the white house and pardon him.
They should pardon all of them and then impeach the judges.
Just for the record, I expect Rittenhouse will probably be found guilty of something. That's not based on the evidence, principle or the law. I just think that there are so many charges to choose from, and people have a way of wanting to split the difference as a means of compromise. Ask the office if they want a Christmas party or a bonus, and they'll say they want both. Force them to compromise, and they're likely to come back and say they want a small Christmas party and to give them the balance as a bonus.
The charge for shooting the guy that was reaching for his gun is probably the weakest link. I'm not saying it should be. Some of you might remember that scene from Chicago, where the claim that they both reached for the gun was the crux of the self-defense claim. It's at the very least reasonable doubt, and it should get him cleared of charges. But if there's a juror on the case who can't walk away from someone shooting numerous people and walking away scott-free, they'll probably insist that there's no way to know the guy that was wrestling the gun away would have used it against him.
Regardless of the verdict, I still expect Rittenhouse to be released pending his appeal, and I expect him not to be convicted either by having a mistrial called or in his appeal hearing.
Guessing there's one juror who wants BLOOD!
Wait... No "progressives are the root of all evil in the world!!!"?
You're slackin.
oh yes
oh yes
oh yes we both
oh yes we both
oh yes we both
reached for
the gun
the gun
the gun
the gun
oh yes we both
reached for the gun
for the gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUFdnPLHX-g
He had it coming.
Some people believe in astrology
Others believe in technology
Some people believe in all those "ologies"
But I believe in swordfish (he believes in swordfish!)
I believe in Happy Days
I believe in Joanie Loves Crotchie
I believe in all that TV crap
And I believe in swordfish (he believes in swordfish!)
Up from the ghetto with the help of my stiletto
Every day I hear the people groan
Why should we buy postage stamps?
We can make our own!
We may be doing something wrong
We could be running a little too long
I guess we better end this song
I say I believe in swordfish (he believes in swordfish!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlVNW-s7bvM
lol filet of sole baby, it's my favorite dish.
I'm.... Feelin fine! I'm... Loosin my mind!
Drunk off his ass...
He probably will be found guilty of something, and like you said, not based on evidence or law. Partially because I agree about splitting the difference, and also because there are at least SOME jurors who believe the "he shouldn't have been there," reasoning, and can't separate that from the crime he's actually being accused of.
I also think this trial is WAY too high profile and the jurors are probably rightfully worried that if they don't convict on something, there will be problems.
Side note, I don't know how Binger still has a job after this trial. What a disaster. Sure, he got handed a garbage fire of a trial, but still. He's made a complete ass of himself this entire time. Even if he does get fired, I'm sure he will find a nice cushy gig on some mews network, or write a book or something, but I don't see how they can put him in a courtroom ever again
“I also think this trial is WAY too high profile and the jurors are probably rightfully worried that if they don't convict on something, there will be problems”
Don’t disagree, but unfortunately, if he’s not convicted of two murder and one attempted murder charges, there will still be problems. Either Kyle pays a huge price, or it’s still systemic racism and righteous rioting needs to occur.
The people that are running this show need it to continue.
Any convictions on the remaining charges put him away for decades... Even the lesser included.
Because there's people on the left who claim they want criminal justice reform, but as this trial has shown, they actually don't respect the rights of defendants. They don't care that Binger has broken several laws and violated Kyle's rights in this case because this has turned into a team sports issue, instead of a case of properly applying criminal justice.
The race of the defendant shouldn't matter when his rights are being trampled, but the way people are reacting, they're absolutely proving that it does. Which disgusts me.
"Side note, I don't know how Binger still has a job after this trial."
CNN or MSNBC will hire him as a legal analyst, and give him a raise.
Side note, I don't know how Binger still has a job after this trial. What a disaster. Sure, he got handed a garbage fire of a trial, but still.
From what I understand, the DA didn't actually want to charge, but ended up getting political pressure, so he apparently threw the case to his two dumbest staff members after it happened as sort of a "fuck you" to the whole thing.
Rittenhouse's defense team has been particularly pathetic, and it's only due to the MASSIVE multiple own-goals and prosecutorial malpractice that's taken place, that he's even in a relatively decent position to be acquitted in the first place.
No, Binger absolutely wanted this case. He wanted the spotlight, he's been preening like a peacock this whole trial.
Apparently MSNBC just got their people banned from the courtroom because one of their exceptional Antifa wannabe staff members followed a juror back to their house to dox them.
MSNBC is really doing everything they can to put a literal bullseye on their backs at the rate they're going.
Progressives are America's most horrible people.
I think we can agree that The Jerry Springer Show showcased America’s most horrible people for years. They seemed to be drawn from a cross section of the political spectrum.
He was tailing the jury bus. The jury has now been sent to a separate location.
IANAL, but if that doesn't constitute jury tampering, it sure seems it would suffice until something better came along.
Honestly, all something like that would do is just piss me off and set my verdict as the opposite of what the news network wanted to do. These fuckers want to set a mob on me, well, I have enough bullets to send them to the same place Pedobaum and Huber the Domestic Abuser went to, or permanently cripple them like Napoleon Blownapart. And in that case, I'm going for a high score.
"that's when I reach for my revolver ..."
Ken, it seems to me a more likely scenario is that we have 1 or 2 jurors who are worried about the consequences of any 'not guilty' verdict. We call that jury intimidation.
Before the trial Barnes reported that their polling had shown that 60% of the jury pool had decided he was guilty. 1/3 were married to that opinion and no presentation of facts in their mock jury tests would move their opinion.
He thinks the whole case comes down to jury selection, and the defense dropped the ball. He said a random jury in Kenosha was almost guaranteed to be a hung jury or a compromise "split the baby" verdict where people horse trade offenses just to get out of there.
"We?"
By not sequestering the jury during the trial, the judge allowed the jurors to be exposed to lots of left wing anti Rittenhouse propaganda, and threats of violence and destruction (if Rittenhouse isn't convicted of at least one charge).
And at least one BLM protester has already threatened to dox the jurors (or worse) if they don't convict.
Its also very intimidating for jurors to deliberate while listening to BLM, Antifa and other thugs barking threats outside the courthouse, while seeing videos of Joe Biden referring to Rittenhouse as a white supremacist and militia member.
This is reminiscent of a hundred years ago, when the KKK surrounded southern courthouses and demanded guilty verdicts of blacks.
So same old Democrats only this time in blackface.
I think he'll end up with some kind of guilty verdict based on the jury instructions and how confusing they are. The defense has dropped the ball heavily on their opportunity to seek a mistrial with prejudice.
Violations we know the prosecution has made:
1) Misapplied the law to bring gun charges that do not apply to the defendant and pretended like it was a matter for the jury to decide instead of a matter of law.
2) Implicated the defendant's 5th Amendment rights, getting a rebuke from the judge.
3) Doing it again about 40 seconds later, causing the jury to be removed from the room.
4) Violated the defendant's 6th Amendment rights by commenting on how he's had the opportunity to observe the witnesses and evidence arrayed against him.
5) Attempted to prejudice the jury by violating a court order on bringing in evidence that had excluded by a pre-trial motion.
6) Brought in evidence that the defense can't confront properly because there's no foundation for it, it was submitted anonymously and the defense can't confront the chain of custody of this evidence or investigate where it came from (which is the defense's fault)
7) Sent a copy of said to the defense that was much lower resolution compared to their own copy, once again violating the defendant's 6th Amendment rights to confront and prepare for the evidence presented against him. Which is a big deal-if they knew that Binger was going to claim the footage showed Kyle pointing his gun at the Ziminski's, which he never did, Kyle can, on the stand, explain to Binger exactly what he's seeing in the photo and footage so he's ready to respond. It's easy to look guilty when there's a question that you're not prepared to answer because you have no idea how the question could possibly come up, but if you're prepared for it, you can explain, "No, that's not my arm, that's the headlight of this car. And my weapon is strapped down so I can't actually point the weapon in that direction."
9) They've lied to the judge about how technology works in order to pretend like their evidence is a true and fair representation of what happened.
10) They've lied to the jury, in their closing, about specific matters of the law. Not stretched interpretations to fit their narrative, they've made provably false statements and presented them as true.
11) They put witnesses on the stand who almost certainly perjured themselves-the Khindri brothers
12) They also may, MAY, have hidden a complaining witness from the defense. There's an allegation that one of Kyle's attackers, the jump-kick man, approached the prosecution and offered to testify against Kyle in exchange for immunity on other charges. If true it's shattering.
I've probably missed more, but several of these, on their own, are grounds for a mistrial, and yet there's several of them stacked on top of each other. This defense team is incompetent for letting so much of this shit through, with all the national media coverage, because they need to advocate for Kyle's rights.
My understanding is that the mistrial question is still pending. I think that can come in after the verdict and before sentencing. Am I wrong about that?
The defense filed a motion over the weekend for a mistrial with prejudice. Then they talked yesterday and softened it and moved for a mistrial without prejudice. The judge doesn't want to rule on it because he seems to think the jury is going to deliver the proper verdict and bail him out of having to do anything.
But the defense had the opportunities yesterday to call out the repeated bullshit the state has engaged in during the course of this case. They've been engaged in bad faith, they've prejudiced the jury repeatedly, they've violated rights, and the judge has previously warned them that a "day of reckoning" would come. He repeated that phrase yesterday as if he was teasing the defense into advocating for a mistrial with prejudice but they pussied out.
"The judge doesn't want to rule on it because he seems to think the jury is going to deliver the proper verdict and bail him out of having to do anything."
If they convict him in a trial with so much misbehavior by the prosecution, it might as well not be a conviction. The appeal will be a cakewalk. And he can dismiss it with prejudice if he wants to if they do convict. It's a no-lose situation for the judge if he waits to see what the jury says.
Except that during the appeal, someone that half of America thinks is a racist vigilante has to rot in prison. I'm sure Kyle will have a lovely time waiting for the appellate court to act.
"...The judge doesn't want to rule on it because he seems to think the jury is going to deliver the proper verdict and bail him out of having to do anything..."
NOBODY wants that hot potato!
"We?" paleface?
That's not based on the evidence,
Are you on the jury, Ken? If not, fuck off.
No one should express an opinion unless the government says it's okay--that's what you're going with, isn't it?
Progressives are so authoritarian!
Progressives like Amsoc are truly America’s most horrible people.
Uh, it isn't authoritarian if they are being anti-fascist or anti-racist.
Duh.
You know the cool thing here? You don't have to be on the jury to have seen literally all of the evidence presented. It's a public trial and has been broadcast. You're allowed as a member of the public to come to conclusions based on the factual information.
Anyone who says you can't offer your own interpretation of the facts, those are the people who can fuck off.
Also... From many conversations with lawyers, they say that juries usually get it right. But usually for the wrong reason.
They will key in on one thing, and that one thing is often irrelevant.
At least, according to the lawyers.
>>the riot
nope.
>>are not political prisoners
you were doing a great job, too but then this ^^
I'm the glass is half full kinda guy. Always optimistic about America and its future. But it sure is getting harder and harder. I'm not niave about us ever fully returning to the founding principles. But for crying out loud, how much farther away can we get. I'm no Q anon conspiracy nut job either but can anyone tell me if any of the "mostly peaceful protesters " that destroyed hundreds of businesses, killed hundreds, ravaged and looted dozens of cities, have received this harsh a sentence?
Easy: No, not a single one.
Thank you
The press is excited about this sentence because he's pretty much the first person to get convicted of anything beyond "misdemeanor throwing-paper-around-and-sitting-in-the-madam-chairwoman's-desk."
The people who entered and defaced the Capitol on January 6 are not political prisoners,
Of course they are. If these were left wingers their sentences would be far less. For comparison Antifa member Cyan Waters Bass who started a fire in an occupied building and threw firebombs directly at police received 4 years. That's nearly the same sentence as this guy who walked through the capitol building and took some selfies. Left wingers who did things like this has their cases dismissed.
And now they're sequestering the jury because someone working for NBC news tried to intimidate the jury.
Not NBC news, apparently MSNBC. This is a shitshow.
Mainstream media is evil.
Dude gave his name as Jim Morrison.
Which immediately makes me say "and you didn't think this was a fake name??"
Then they said they ticketed him for running a red light. Which means he had a Jim Morrison drivers license.
So actually a dude. And the crowd says a Jim Morrison indeed works for this news organization.
I hope they ban Ozzy Osbourne from the courthouse too. We don't know how deeps this goes.
The judge was a fucking retard to not do that from the beginning of the trial. I realize he's old and all, but did he really not think of the broader implications?
He let in a blowup of an interpolated from from a generated slow motion version of a video that was AI enhanced, apparently using a program that says "not to be used as evidence at trial" right in the instructions.
The left was flipping out because he yelled at the prosecutor. I have a former prosecutor in the family. He says judges do this all the time.. It distracts everyone from what he is doing. They think "ooh, that judge is tough!!". Yet he never does anything.
This judge is perhaps not handling the spotlight very well. There's been at least three different days when he's commented on the media coverage of him. Obviously not in front of the jury, but he's clearly frustrated with MSM lies and is just now realizing it can happen to him.
At this point, it's looking more and more likely that it's going to be a hung jury and a mistrial. Apparently it's 10-2 right now in favor of acquittal; the two holdouts are a couple of middle aged white women who are primarily digging in because they're afraid their reputation is going to get dragged through the mud. Unfortunately, one of them is the jury foreman, so it's hamstringing the entire process.
Legalinsurrection posted a copy of the jury notes from yesterday, when they requested to review evidence.
They requested to review the disputed evidence. Why? Because it's become the linchpin of the prosecution's case since it's their only way to insert provocation. They could have tried to argue provocation based on the curfew violation and the weapons charge, but both of those were dropped, so now they have this video and a blurry zoomed in photo.
And the photo is contested on multiple grounds! It's a failure to properly disclose evidence from the prosecution, and it's based on using interpolation which is a disputed technology not up to use for evidentiary standards. THAT'S WHAT THE JURY WANTS TO SEE.
Jury is contaminated and it's prejudicial to the defendant's rights. Dismiss the case.
Translation: Gee-Oh-Pee terrists goood! Dee-Eee-Emm terrists bad! Gott Mit Uns!
If you hadn't been so strung out on crank, that post might have come within a galaxy's distance of the facts.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
"Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil." Robert A. Heinlein
he's clearly frustrated with MSM lies and is just now realizing it can happen to him.
^this!
People are naïve and ignorant as to how deeply penetrated America is by an organized Marxist propaganda machine. It has a stranglehold on the MSM, academia and the bulk of the unelected bureaucrat class. Basically all those people whose jobs are independent of any objective value. The left has puffed up their egos and made them think they are part of the elite and they bought it hook line and sinker because they have no other way to measure their worth to society.
The left could have conceded once the evidence was in on Rittenhouse and defused the situation. Instead, they continue to insist it is about race. If the verdict is guilty, they have taught folks the consequence of resistance, if the verdict is not guilty, they get more riots and more chances to put boots on necks.
Biden kept the Guard in DC despite no continuing threat whatsoever. They have proven their willingness to discard the Constitution to submit us to COVID law. Anyone who doubts they will submit the nation to martial law is a fool.
While I disagree with the events that occurred on on January 6th and troubled with the actions of the participants, I am thoroughly disgusted with our overtly authoritarian government.
At least they were protesting what they found to be corrupt. In retrospect the actions of the government have demonstrated that in fact the government is corrupt
Shame on Judge Lamberth, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kimberly Paschall and the Justice Department and "Let's Go Brandon"!
This is Reason. We don't worry so much about our overly authoritarian government because the realm issue is Trump is an existential threat to liberty.
Not to mention climate change and the wu-flu! All need more government to control, uh, something.
Superstitious girl-bullying God-Overdosed-Prohibitionists were the existential threat to The Don holding office. That threat became reality in 2020. The GOP must choose between pandering to girl-bullying national socialists and getting gubmint paychecks and pelf.
Do you think this gibberish is clever you crazy old crank?
Voters should listen to what the communist and fascist halves of the Kleptocracy say about each other. It's the only time they take a break from self-deception and parroting.
"Our?" Paleface should have better sense than to whine to libertarians about other looters deservedly kicking sand in y'all's Moonie faces. We vote against the initiation of force by Team Red and Team Blue cretins pretty much alike, and cheer when either gang lands a punch on its altruist twin.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Leave it to fucking reason to argue for less for an insurrectionist.
Fuck off you anti American fucks.
Is.parody? Or is sincere? Cannot tell. Is fumbling parody. But is oddly strident sincerity. Neither seems most likely.
How can two complementary probabilities add up to less than one?
That is a scum-bag lefty shit who is more than happy to support the government killing innocent people so long as they are the right people.
He's earned the "Fuck off and die" award.
How can two complementary probabilities add up to less than one?
We're talking raspberrydinners here. If you'd gotten one, I'd tell you to recheck your math.
Look out! There's an insurrectionist under your bed!
Bye.
‘Merica: fuck ya!
The looter needs to learn about the "Mute User" function. Christianofascism infiltrated the LP on the coattails of a Texas pediatrician committed to using the violence of law to force women into his practice. But this is reversible. Start by using the Mute User narc flagger to flag hostile sockpuppet christianofascists.
So there’s no one in your family that cares enough about you to put you in a home? Sad.
BTW, go check your stove to make sure you didn’t leave it on please.
"Christianofascism"
It's apparently still 1992 and Grandpa Hank won't hear about Woke and critical theory for another 30 years, but he's hopping mad about the Moral Majority.
The animal cross-dresser got off light. Back when Friends of New Germany congratulated Christian National Socialism from Buffalo, NY, a bunch of non-Jesus-loving pagans had the temerity to win the elections in Spain. "We Wuz Robbed" came the outcry from Jesus-loving fascisti, and soon they and their godless fellow Spaniards were shooting each other like Mussolini on Ethiopians. Look at the papers for 17 July 1936 and there's the Hays office stopping MGM from making a movie of "It Can't Happen Here." Thanks to Reason and the LP the superstitious cretin gets 40 months of free room and board instead of a blindfold and cigarette. This is progress.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Oh sure, Jesus people are the ones trying to destroy our liberties and freedoms, not Woke Brownshirts and establishment totalitarians.
This is what 60 years of quaaludes and coke do to your reasoning skills, folks.
'This is what 60 years of quaaludes and coke do to your reasoning skills, folks.'
Looking to a feckless shaman and his moron followers to defend your liberties and overturn a stolen election is pretty crazy, i grant you that much.
Good to have you admit the election was stolen. May be the one true thing you've said since birth.
"May be the one true thing you've said since birth."
Silly, i lied about that too.
Literally nobody was doing that, including the January 6 protesters, mtureman. Why are you spinning lies?
Your idols have feet of clay. Wake up and smell the coffee if your liberties mean anything to you.
Answer the fucking question, fascist.
Some questions answer themselves. You think the bison-hatted shaman the Jan. 6 gang were trying to protect your liberties. Nuff said.
"Cleaning schools more thoroughly will not slow the spread of COVID-19"
Excessive cleaning may actually help in spreading viruses. It's well known that some bacteria produce surfactants that help them spread. Bacillus subtilis is a harmless bacteria that is very active in producing surfactants. It turns out that these surfactants can also result in the "inactivation of enveloped viruses". The virus responsible for Covid-19 is an enveloped virus so perhaps it might be beneficial to find out if bacterial produced surfactants can inactivate it. We may wind up scrubbing our schools down with camel dung.