Coronavirus

President Biden Doesn't Follow D.C.'s Absurd Mask Rules for Restaurants

End the mask mandates now.

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Over the weekend, President Joe Biden had dinner with First Lady Jill Biden at Fiola Mare, a swanky restaurant in the Georgetown neighborhood of Washington, D.C. Video footage captured the couple leaving the premises without their masks.

Note that this is a violation of the city's mask mandate, which requires restaurant customers to wear masks while walking from the door to the table. Masks can only be removed when it's time to sit down and actively eat or drink. Dining establishments that fail to enforce these rules can face a $1,000 fine, and thus workers can be fairly militant about it. I have been asked to put on a mask while walking to my table, or waiting in line for food, at a dozen different places—from fancy restaurants to grab-and-go sandwich shops.

But Democratic political figures whose mask mandates remain in effect in many major cities routinely fail to follow their own rules. D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has flouted her mask mandate at parties, weddings, and public events, and San Francisco Mayor London Breed clearly thinks it's crazy to enforce masks to the degree required by her own mandate. Most recently, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot was caught maskless in a photo at a Women's National Basketball Association game; according to a witness who was at the game with her, the mayor only removed her mask for the photo. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, but the mask mandate does not include reasonable exceptions.

And that's what should really irritate people about Biden failing to mask up while making a quick exit. He isn't worried about his health during those few seconds; he probably knows that it's pointless to require masking under some circumstances while groups of unmasked people are eating, drinking, and talking for hours. The government's strict mask policies are so stupid that everyone who can get away with ignoring them already does so, yet they remain in place. Not for safety, or because of the science, but because our elected leaders can't be bothered to tweak the rules.

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  1. Speaking of COVID, anyone catch this latest study?

    Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

    Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom [2]. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases [3]. We investigate the relationship between the percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases across 68 countries and across 2947 counties in the US.

    The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants. Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates.

    In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.

    1. How dare they compare COVID-19 to the flu!!! Google better censor this misinformation website quick!

      1. Somebody wasn't keeping up with the latest ActBlue style guides.

    2. Seems like that has all been obvious for months, but nice to have it comfirmed.

      1. No, months ago, all you saw were cherry-picked graphs comparing "low vax" states with "high vax" states. And lots of the usual suspects on this site claiming it was good The Science! (tm)

        1. And months ago the seasonality theorists told them that after the summer sunbelt wave peaked in the fall, the correlation would disappear. And what do you know..........?

        2. Well, I'm pretty sure I thought it was obvious by mid-August or so. It's all starting to run together now, though. so I may be off on exactly when stuff became apaprent.

        3. In a NYT editorial about a month ago; the gist of which was "Hey look, we finally have proof that areas that voted red have a surge in infections because they are too stupid to get vaccinated."

    3. Flu didn't start in 1918. Its origin is lost in the mists of time.

      1. No one said it did. The study merely referred to the 1918 Spanish Flu (racist!11!) which is known to have mutated into a non-deadly endemic variety that we have around today.

        1. The Spanish are "white" aren't they? There's nothing racist about punching up.

          1. "Stupidly defamatory" would be a better description. "Spanish" was only attached to the 1918 pandemic because Spain was neutral with an uncensored press (as far as reporting on the pandemic), while the hardest-hit countries suppressed news reports with war-time censorship - even after the Armistice!

      2. H1N1 is the nasty version traced to the 1918 epidemic. It is still around today. It is much deadlier than COVID.

    4. When the only tool you have is a hammer....

      The "experts" in Washington have gone all-in on pinning their hopes on the vaccine, they have no Plan B for dealing with the problem. They're going to ride this vaccine thing right into the ground, like a gambling addict who has a "system" for beating the tables and no matter how much he loses will insist that his system is sound, that it just needs a little tweaking.

      1. Being vaxxed is a sign of your covenant with the science gods, akin to circumcision for Jews and Muslims. Frankly, I’m surprised they haven’t called for mixing in the smallpox jab so that the vaxxed can be easily identified by a scar. Oh yeah, the smallpox jab was nasty but who cares? It’s for SCIENCE!

        1. I like my beautiful circumsized wang better

        2. Getting vaccinated is a sign that you are smart enough to take a few minutes out of your routine to increase your odds of not getting seriously ill from COVID-19, and that you are willing to think about your impact on society overall.

          1. Mike has no problem forcing kids to stick needles in their arms since it is a few minutes to decrease those kids' vanishingly small, near zero risk of getting seriously ill from COVID. Because he knows THE SCIENCE! (tm) but good.

      2. At a certain point you just have to say "OK, we've done what we can do, time to accept it and move on". Why is that so hard for people to get? Some countries seem to be figuring it out.

      3. And eventually the pandemic will fade away as they all do, and the govt will declare victory, thanks to their mandates and lockdowns.

        1. I really don't care if you get vaccinated. Most anti-vaxxers vote republican so i guess that takes care of future elections.

          1. Most anti-vaxxers are black.

      4. When the only tool you have is a hammer….
        But DC is chock full of tools….

    5. Well then. Now we just wait for Dems to triple down on boosters to ensure their new Pfizer and Moderna stocks stay high.

      1. Holy hell. Just had my vitals taken by a nurse (friendly lady) and we chatted on the vaccines for a bit - I was told this is not comparable to influenza at all, as this is a pandemic (Spanish Flu still winning on death rate) and if we'd only gotten the shot this would all be over by now. Absolutely abysmal lack of knowledge on infectious disease, and watching her hair tips flutter in the mask vents was the icing on the moment.

        1. Dont know any nurses personally, eh? They are this generation's teachers.

          1. They are not made equal, for sure.

      2. The latest info they have for Pfizer stock is 2018 whereas 22 republicans and 17 democrats owned stock in Pfizer. The only one i heard "tripling down" was the republican from Georgia who got defeated last year.

        https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/members-invested?id=D000000138

        1. And you honestly think people keep all their money openly?

    6. Nah, I’m going to go on “stigmatizing” idiots who are refusing to get vaccinated because they think they’re owning the Democrats.

      1. You are stigmatizing kids and people who have near ZERO risk from COVID 19. Because you are a petty tyrant.

        Your stigmatizing is exactly what the ACTUAL tyrants need in order to institute draconian laws that you claim not to support, but never really criticize.

        The vast, vast majority of Americans do not need this vaccine. When I thought it would prevent myself or my kids from getting COVID (at the beginning of the jab campaigns) it made sense as a way to protect against being forced to quarantine for 2 weeks. But now that we know even the jabbed can get infected and forced to quarantine, those at low risk from COVID probably risk more driving to the vaccination site than they do from COVID.

        But you will continue to "Stigmatize" others because you actually don't care about science. You care about owning republicans. Which is what makes your projection so fucking ironic.

        1. Since the Delta variant of Covid 19 was able to mutate because of some political reluctance of some to get the vaccine, the Delta variant is affecting younger people. As a parent, i wouldn't want my child to get the virus anymore than i would want them to become impotent by getting the mumps. I wonder if parents can be charged with 'child endangerment' if they fail to get the vaccine for their child and they die? Just wondering.

          1. Hello, rest of the world here - we're continuing to travel in the face of a flu virus... Like every year.

            But yes, tell us more of what CNN says.

          2. "Since the Delta variant of Covid 19 was able to mutate because of some political reluctance of some to get the vaccine, the Delta variant is affecting younger people..."

            Oh no! It's retarded!

            Read more---particularly from posters like Dizzle and Virologist---and post less, shill.

          3. Since the Delta variant of Covid 19 was able to mutate because of some political reluctance of some to get the vaccine,

            This is impressive. Let's just ignore the timing and location of Delta's emergence; there are Republicans to castigate, after all.

          4. Just think about that for a second. The UNVAXXED are causing the virus to become vax resistant?

            Out of all the stupid things I've heard......

            1. Vaccine Mediate Evolution

            2. This crap is official Science TM pushed by DOCTORS. Medical professionals who have known better for decades are suddenly lying to push the poke. Baffling.

          5. It’s Pod’s sister.

          6. "Since the Delta variant of Covid 19 was able to mutate because of some political reluctance of some to get the vaccine, the Delta variant is affecting younger people."

            Stop spreading anti science bullshit. It drives me nuts that people like yourself claim to have The Science! (tm) on their side and then make completely unfounded claims like above.

            The delta variant originated in India, in December of 2020. There was no vaccine at the time in India, nor political resistance to it.

            It does not "affect" young people any more than the original. CDC data continues to show that around 1 out of 100.000 kids under 18 will be hospitalized with covid. That's 99.999% safe, fyi. The children who have died of this virus had serious comorbidities or complicating conditions. While I believe every parent should have the option to vaccinate their kids (especially children challenged with confounding diseases), 99.99% of children have no risk from this disease, and uninformed morons like yourself spreading bullshit pseudo-science do not help.

            Do the world a favor and go look shit up before spreading misinformation.

            "As a parent, i wouldn’t want my child to get the virus anymore than i would want them to become impotent by getting the mumps. I wonder if parents can be charged with ‘child endangerment’ if they fail to get the vaccine for their child and they die?"

            Yes, your threats also make you a petty tyrant. This is where the "Stranger Danger" scare and the "Satanic Cult" moral panics of the 80s and 90s came from: Overly emotional, irrational freaks like yourself who cannot grasp proportionality or statistics inside their little heads, led astray by sensationalist press.

            The fact that you turn children into pawns for your temper tantrum merely adds to your soap-opera-villain silliness. If you wanted to reduce the risk of children dying in accidents to the level of risk posed to UNVACCINATED children, your only option would be to forbid traveling by car. No safety harness or mechanism could make car-travel as low-risk for children as COVID is to those children. Are you ready to charge parents with "Child Endangerment" if their kid dies in a car wreck? You don't do that because you cannot separate actual risk levels from the scary ghosts put in your head by the media. Well, you are welcome to your delusions, but do not inflict them on the world.

            And this goes for "children" 15-24 as well, who still represent less than 5% of all covid deaths.

        2. “The vast, vast majority of Americans do not need this vaccine”

          Then don’t.

          Yet you did not talk about yourself our your family. You speak for the vast vast majority of Americans .

      2. Partisan hack.

        I eschew the vaccine because it has no appreciable benefit to me, but rather is a risky new technology rushed to production before testing and, oh yeah, already doesn't work anywhere close to as advertised.

        This is not because Trump ordered them or Biden peddled them, it is because of actual fucking science and skepticism in the CDC and other gov't mouthpieces, regardless of regime.

    7. I would be hesitant to draw too many conclusions from that study. The data is just too full of potential confounds to be meaningfully useful without a lot of further analysis. Aside from the discrepancies in testing rates the paper mentioned, you also have things like population density and other variations in living conditions, you have all the other covid mitigation policies they may or may not be taking, and so on. All of those could influence the results without telling us much of anything about vaccine efficacy. I would also personally be more interested in a study that looked a hospitalizations/deaths than new cases. If vaccines don't impact overall case numbers, but significantly decrease the percentage of those cases that are fatal or severe, that's still a good reason to encourage vaccination. All in all it's something that's worth looking into further, but it's not a solid foundation for a definitive conclusion or argument.

      1. ...but no compelling public health reason since they are transmitting at equal rates with similar viral loads. If you think resource utilization is a compelling reason to force a medical procedure, then you'll have to consider applying that logic to obesity since that causes way more deaths and stays in the hospital than any respiratory virus.

        1. " consider applying that logic to obesity since that causes way more deaths and stays in the hospital than any respiratory virus."

          It is noteworthy that no one EVER follows up with a rebuttal to this response. I have seen JFree, Jeff, and now these new posters drop in and argue this whole "Healthcare is a public good, and you anti-vaxxers are depriving us of resources". And every time someone brings up obesity, it is crickets afterwords.

          1. Because they are different problems. Obesity is a co morbid factor in near any disease. This is ancient medicine. It has been known for thousands of years. For anything, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, trauma treatment, infectious disease, obesity is an issue. Solve obesity and you get the Nobel prize. To bring it up in this context it is a non sequitur.

        2. My main point was that we shouldn't draw any serious conclusions from a study that controlled for, like, zero confounds. I don't really see what this has to do with that.

          With that said, obesity isn't really analogous, primarily because there isn't a procedure comparable to vaccination. Getting vaccinated is quick, easy, and looks to be remarkably effective at preventing serious complications and deaths. There's no treatment or procedure for obesity that can boast all, or really any, of those advantages. In other words, trying to implement some kind of anti-obesity mandate would take a lot more resources with far less certainty of seeing any results. Even if you think the two are morally or logically equivalent, one is simply far less logistically feasible.

      2. Thank you waterpanther. It is not really a study at all. It is an article derived from world o meter information. While interesting there is obvious selection bias.

        I think overall there are things learned since vaccines have become available which can shape strategies.

        Israel Israel. So even there the data is a bit cloudy. It is clear that overall protection from the Pfizer vaccine, cases as the measure, decreases over time from the two dose regimen. We will see what the booster does over time.

        It is also clear that the vaccine confers high level protection against moderate to severe disease even if you catch the bug.

        The disease itself as other viral diseases such as influenza occurs in waves depending on regional outbreaks and spread over time. It mutates which affects transmission.

        Transmission is difficult to measure because of confounding factors.

        This is not a short term issue to deal with. Humans will need to adapt and find strategies to mitigate while maintaining what we need to keep life going and all that entails.

  2. Oh, fascinating headline from CNN:

    Colin Powell, first Black US secretary of state, dies of Covid-19 complications amid cancer battle

    Suddenly a COVID-19 death requires a qualifier. I wonder if that qualifier is necessary because Powell was double-secret vaccinated and wearing a box of masks.

    1. Hopefully the media is starting to realize that people aren't as dumb as they think. But I am sure some troll will be by to prove me wrong, that people are as dumb as the media thinks.

      1. Sometimes I think they are. At least some people are actually that dumb.

      2. Regardless, CNN is still pushing a narrative. If you're unvaxxed and you die of COVID, fuck off, you died of covid, full stop, you anti-vaxx trumpy mctrumpist!

        But if you're vaxxed, then there must be some other complication that was involved. Because vaxxed people are 100%, 99%, 94%, 89%, 74%, 51%, 44% 39% protected from COVID.

        1. being 84 put him squarely in the crosshairs of the death panels I mean virus.

        2. The closet I've been to turning on CNN for years now, was just last week when Gupta was on Rogan; otherwise I'd rather have my head caved in with a pipe wrench. I'm still laughing about Joe calling out CNN for lying about his treatment.

          1. FYI, Gupta, after admitting CNN lied about Ivermectin, went BACK on CNN and doubled down on the lie. These people are mendacious fucks who should be held in the lowest regard.

      3. Their entire stock in trade is counting on people to be as dumb as they think [or wish] they are.

    2. To be fair, whatever treatment Powell had been undergoing to treat his cancer may have precluded him from getting vaccinated due to a compromised immune system.

      On the other hand, such situations are why I dislike heavy handed demands that everyone get vaccinated to participate in life.

      1. He was not unvaxxed. He was vaccinated.

        Colin Powell was vaccinated against Covid, but suffered from a cancer that makes the shots less effective

        The whole narrative here (which, by the way, I don't discount as untrue) is just stunning.

        What the media reporting on this is EXACTLY how they should be reporting on any COVID death.

        Media: Person X died of covid.

        Us: How old were they, did they have any complications?

        Media: Quit asking questions, COVID is a deadly disease and we have to pursue a zero-covid strategy, it's a pandemic of the unvaxxed!

        Event: Well known vaxxed person died.

        Media: Oh well, he had cancer and was on treatments that lowered the effectiveness of the vaccine, and what with all his comorbidities you can't blame the lack of efficacy of the vaccine. These cases are complicated... quit trying to simplify everything. Follow the SCIENTISM!

        1. What I heard on the radio (NPR, sue me I hate commercials) while driving to get lunch was that he died of COVID complication while having a suppressed immune system due to treatments for other ailments. Had to go to the Daily Mail to find he was being treated for Parkinson's and blood cancer. I rely on a UK publication to get honest news about home.

          1. My friend and Reason hero, Steve Horwitz was battling the cancer he ultimately died of. To him COVID would have been a death sentence, so he was extremely fastidious with his masking and social distancing. Being immuno-compromised is not some excuse by the Democrats, it's a real actual thing that really actually kills people.

            I have another friend who has muscular dystrophy. A bout of the flu will put him into the hospital, so COVID would likely do him in. And he knows it. So he hasn't seen anyone outside of his nurse and his family since the pandemic started. Because unlike the tribalists here, COVID is an actual real thing that actually really kills people. Not some Democrat plot to provide mask signalling.

            1. My friend and Reason hero, Steve Horwitz

              Is this the commenter I think it was?

              1. Oh, no, never mind. You're not referring to a commenter.

                1. Hihn died before covid.

            2. The "democrat plot" is forcing everyone to act as if they are one of the unfortunate people (whom I sympathize with) who you use as an example. The vast majority of the country does not have the same problem as your friends, and so the vast majority of this country should not be acting as if they are in this massive existential danger.

              "COVID is an actual real thing that actually really kills people."

              COVID is not killing children in any number of consequence. And yet the tribalists here seem to think it is no big deal to invade the medical privacy of all children, forcing them to take vaccines for a virus posing no risk to them, or forcing them to spend every day suffocating under a mask while running PE in 95 degree weather.

              In my mind, the overreaction to COVID has been no different than the great Satanic Cult scares and Stranger Danger/Halloween Candy scares of the 80's and early 90s. People who were at little to no risk from satanists, or kidnappings were led to all sorts of draconian over-reaction because they were exploited by sensationalists and charlatans.

              Mind you, I am not saying there is ZERO risk from COVID. There was also non-zero risk from Satanic Cults and Random kidnappers in the 80's and 90's. That doesn't change the fact that the national (or global) freakout over these dangers went far beyond any sort of proportionality, including among the supposed "experts" who were supposed to be thinking rationally about these sorts of things.

              1. Mind you, I am not saying there is ZERO risk from COVID.

                Yes, but It Is Known that stratifying risk profile by age and infirmity gets you banned from the Youtubes because Misinformashunz.

                The disease is deadly. Full stop.
                The disease is killing people. Full stop.
                The disease has been mentioned on the death certificates for a gajillion people. Full stop.
                X gajillion people died within 28 days of a positive test. Full stop.

                Full stop.

                Stop.

                Please... please stop.

              2. PSSST.. Stranger Danger started in the 70s. Trust me—I remember the scare film they showed us in nursery school..

                1. It started earlier than the 70's. I didn't go to nursery school, but I remember repeated scare films in elementary school, that is 1958 - 1965.

            3. Who are you trying to convince? I don't think anyone here will deny any of what you are saying.

            4. Brandy is the kind of smart-dumbfuck that really needs to be waterboarded until they understand that a guarantee of freedom is always better than a lesser degree that accounts for public safety.

              I feel for your hero and friend, but their health is not my problem personally and even less important on a societal level. They are a tiny minority. Subjecting the vast majority to restrictions to accommodate them is tyranny. If COVID is bad for them, they need to avoid COVID. The rest of us should be allowed to go about our business without interference.

              1. Brandy is an Old Fart who has zero compunction taking a gigantic shit all over what would be Libertarian principles, if it meant a slightly smaller risk they'd be grabbed by the latest boogeyman our Leaders are using as an excuse to continue wielding emergency powers.

                That old ninny needs to just get the jab if he wants, and shut his quivering hole about how we're all putting him in danger.

            5. My sin is thinking no more or less about the people dying of COVID than I think about the people dying of the flu. COVID deaths are not more tragic than flu deaths. Strangers dying from COVID impact me about the way way that stranger dying of the flu do, or strangers dying from falling off a ladder, or getting in a car wreck, or of cancer, or of heart attacks. If someone I love dies of COVID, is it more tragic to me than if they died of the flu, or cancer, or anything else? 8000 people die every day of something. Personally, I cannot grieve for all 8000 of them, nor do I want to try to sort out how much differently I should grieve based on how they died.

              Note that I'm not saying that flu and COVID are the same, but I am asking why people treat them as if they are VERY VERY VERY different? And why people ignore flu deaths as inconsequential?

              Are you prepared to wear a mask at all times, forever? Why did you *not* wear a mask prior to COVID (I'm assuming you didn't)? When there's a 99% effective vaccine and/or 99% effective treatment for COVID, will you keep wearing a mask because the 99% vaccine or treatment is not 100% effective?

              Prior to COVID, the flu killed 20k, 30k, 60k people varying from yer to year. The 2017/18 flu season killed between 60k and 90k, estimates vary because flu deaths are not required to be reported. I don't recall anyone saying "Gee, we need to social distance and wear masks all the time to save these people!" If/when COVID is "solved", I suspect they will go right back to ignoring flu deaths. If preventing one COVID death is worth everything we've been through, why is preventing one flu death not?

              Why do people seem to think that a vaccine or treatment absolves them from responsibility for spreading the flu that kills so many annually. Will they think the same for COVID vaccine? "Oh, only weak old people die from the flu...Why didn't they get a vaccination...Why didn't their vaccination work..."

              You could have had the flu and spread it to people already at some point in your life, maybe even killed people with your carelessness. Flu is nothing to mess with, we have vaccines and treatments and flu STILL kills 10's of thousands of people in the US every year. Why are we not wearing masks for them?

              If I don't have COVID, wearing a mask to prevent spreading COVID to other people is a farce, and wearing a mask to prevent getting COVID is barely more protection than not wearing a mask. Sure, I could be asymptomatic (funny how such a deadly disease can infect so many peopel and never cause them any symptoms) and spread it that way, but the same can be said for the flu. But most people today seem to think there's something more important about saving people from COVID than they EVER thought about saving people from the flu. As if people dying from the flu is OK, but people dying from COVID is anathema to them.

          2. No, you don’t understand. This proves vaccines are useless!

            1. The most powerful strawman that ever roamed these parts.

        2. CDC: X number of people died with COVID yesterday.

          Media: X number of people died of COVID yesterday.

          At least the CDC pretends to be kind of honest.

          1. Sort of. They know full well how it will be reported in the media.

            1. I too admit I've been bothered with the lack of correction coming from the CDC.

              1. Every day they say "with" and the very next sentence out of the reporter's mouth is "from" or "of."

                You're expecting the CDC guy to be some pedantic asshole like me and say "Dude, I said 'with' not 'from', words matter."?

                1. Pathetic. Backpedaling like a motherfucker.

          2. One site I use clearly said "deaths with COVID-19" last year. Now it says "COVID-19 deaths" and leaves it at that.

        3. It sure is looking that way, isn't it? = These cases are complicated… quit trying to simplify everything. Follow the SCIENTISM! - it seems like every time I read an article, there is some new justification.

        4. I give it 3-5 days before the cancer part is dropped completely.

          1. No, they're more likely to drop the 'vaxxed' part if they drop anything.

            1. he died from racism!

      2. General Colin Powell was vaccinated but the treatment for his cancer lessened the effectiveness of the vaccine. He also had Parkinson's along with the cancer and Covid-19.

        1. If your immunity system is suppressed, how can a vaccine do you any good?

          1. You do what you can.

    3. I caught Whoopie Goldberg on The View this morning talking about Colin Powell's death, and she actually said something along the lines of "Let's be careful not to call this a covid death because you know he had a very bad cancer."

      My jaw dropped. Bascially, stating that he died "with" not "of," which is EXACTLY what we skeptics have been saying since the beginning.

      JFC, there's no hope for these retards.

      1. We skeptics.

        Rounds start at 7am. Be ready to present your patients when the attending shows up. After 10 years education and training you will still be a padawan.

    4. Patients with multiple myeloma are on immunosuppressive chemotherapy. Any infection would put him at greater risk.

      1. My point is this: had he not been vaxxed, the narrative would have been that he died of covid, the stupid man. But because he was vaxxed, the narrative suddenly becomes, "hang on now, let's not get all crazy and blame covid for his death. He was, after all, terribly immunocompromised."

        1. You were there? I was not. So I cannot say more.

          My father served along side him in long forgotten place in Vietnam.

          Perhaps let that go. Along with other battlefields.

          So old soldiers never die.

  3. I work in higher education. The school that I'm at requires masks in all classrooms, hallways, etc. Teachers have to lecture with a mask unless they stay in a very small space behind a plexiglass shield.

    However, I had reason to see the new faculty orientation where the honchos (president, provost, etc.) spoke to the new faculty. NONE of the speakers wore masks and there was no plexiglass shield. Of course, the attendees all had to wear masks while listening to the hypocrites.

    1. Why should executives have to look at the faces of disgusting, disease ridden wagies?

      1. The parody socks speak the truth. More and more each day.

        Evidence? See Obama's party. Celebs unmasked, all the wage slaves masked.

        Not sure if that makes them great parodies or if that means the world just a sadder place.

        1. I'm almost positive that they're doing it on purpose now.

    2. I'm sure the honchos were older and more at risk of COVID than the teachers, who are far more at risk than the kids...

  4. they serve prune compote as a meal @Fiona Mare?

    1. Is "Fiona Mare" Italian for "French laundry"?

  5. How else are we supposed to know who is a deplorable then? Masks trigger the rightoids, so they must be enforced forever to "own" them.

  6. Most recently, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot was caught maskless in a photo at a Women's National Basketball Association game; according to a witness who was at the game with her[…]

    A SECOND person at a WNBA game?

    Imma have to call bullshit.

    1. Putting this together with n00bdragon's post, does this mean Lori Litehead is right-wing?

      1. I don't think leftists like wearing masks more than anyone else does. They must hate it; and all of them who aren't seriously slurping the hypochondriac koolaid must realize they are actually performative health theater rather than a serious method for stopping the spread of disease. It's not about and has never been about protecting yourself others some nebulous person from COVID. It's about being seen wearing a mask (thus showing how much you "care") and being able to point at people not wearing masks and blame them for killing old people the unvaccinated children the vaccinated some...body, lots of people who may have also had terminal cancer or been in a motorcycle accident.

  7. So can we hold a recall election for him now?

    1. No need.
      Facebook has already determined that all recall elections of democrats failed/will fail.

  8. And the pols wonder why some people have so little respect for their authority.

  9. I am sure Lord of Shitheadedness will be along shortly to explain how this is really not hypocritical at all. If Biden truly is brain-damaged (he is), could it be the case that he just forgot what a mask was?

    1. He's frantically searching his ActBlue talking-points for something that will excuse this.

      1. He was going to say Biden just forgot, but he can't go there either...

    2. Almost correct except it was Joe Monday.

  10. "Not for safety, or because of the science, but because our elected leaders can't be bothered to tweak the rules."

    No this is entirely wrong. Arbitrarily enforced rules exist so that the puerile media and twitterati and the authoritarian government can dogpile people who become inconvenient.

    This is a feature, not a bug or holdover due to laziness. When you hold people behaving a certain way to a different standard than others, it signals to others how to behave. Don't want to mask? Well, if you vote for nationalized healthcare, no big deal. But protest lockdowns? The FIRST think that will be brought up is whether or not you were wearing a mask. And they will throw the book at you as necessary to get you off the front pages.

  11. In CA, if you want to eat out, you must wear a mask, supposedly BETWEEN BITES(!), and in practice, no one does any such thing and NO restaurants attempt to enforce that foolishness.
    So, in practice, you put your mask on outside the restaurant, and take it off immediately upon being seated, and put it back on upon leaving, removing it as you go through the door.
    And this performance art is claimed to be 'science-driven'.

    1. They’re really the most intelligent, conscientious people.

      1. It's not that they think we're idiots.
        They know we recognize their double-standards and middle school-level sophistry. They enjoy parading their lack of accountability. It's a show of power.

        1. Think it was Greenwald who pointed out that the masking is now a master/slave signaling process:
          Required to wear a mask? You must be of the lower classes!

    2. When I was in LA this weekend, I did see quite a bit more strict masking enforcements-. The theater we were at had people walking around (even during the show!) and forcing people to be masked. They also checked vaccine passports (or negative covid test) to gain entry.

      It was strange to see such highly ordered authoritarianism and then see that the restaurants needed armed security guards to man the doors from the tent people sleeping outside on the sidewalks with gutters a foot deep in trash and shit.

      I haven't been to Hollywood since the Pandemic started, and it is a fucking shit show...it looks like Beirut, and I am utterly shocked that the people there don't notice what they are living in.

      1. Funny how LA can be a well-ordered, efficient government machine when it comes to making your your mask and hijab are on properly, but they can't move a homeless person off the street.

        1. Diane, homelessness is a national problem focused on warm pleasant and wealthy places, in another words, not red states. In the 1980s court judgements made it harder to commit crazy people against their will, loitering laws were struck down, and drugs became epidemic. Many to most of the homeless would have been in mental wards, arrested, or not on drugs 50+ years ago. Our local governments are hand strung on this opne, but hey, aren't you guys the Libertarians? You know, freedom!

          1. Well, this is dumb even for you. There are plenty of homeless in red states. But you seem ignorant of a lot of things.

            Why do they congregate to places like Seattle that are cold based on your statement? Because Seattle spends over 50k per homeless person. Has nothing to do with wealth.

            Is there anything you aren't ignorant about?

            1. I'm betting no.

            2. "Well, this is dumb even for you"

              Gotta disagree. Don't think we've remotely plumbed the depths of his idiocy.

          2. "Diane, homelessness is a national problem focused on warm pleasant and wealthy places, in another words, not red states."

            You are incorrect. Colorado is overrun with homeless despite being particularly nasty in the winter. It has been that way in blue cities like Boulder for decades, and now that the state has completely capitulated to the Blue camp, Denver is completely overrun.

            Los Angeles and the Bay Area are overrun with homeless. While 20 miles away in Orange County, there are no tent cities. The weather is not significantly different between Huntington Beach and Venice Beach, but the fact that the former actually enforces property rights and prevents people from tenting on public spaces is why it has not turned into an absolute catastrophe like the latter.

            Your gas lighting is tiresome. You don't know anything about ancient history, recent history or even how the actual country is operating at present. I highly recommend going out and visiting some of these places, as opposed to the talking points you read on Reddit.

          3. Hint: Diane ain’t a libertarian.

          4. Hardy any of the commenters who hang out here these days are libertarians.

            1. People who are mean to me can’t be real libertarians.

              — Dee

          5. Here in South Florida the homeless are offered social services.
            If they refuse, then they are prodded to move along.
            Pitching a tent on the public sidewalks is strictly prohibited and this is enforced.

          6. So you red blue dividers. Team blue got all of the
            “warm pleasant and wealthy places, in another words, not red states. “

            Well sounds like team blue has some nice turf there. Team red needs to catch up. I am team orange. Like my tabby who seems to survive under his own terms.

      2. They don’t notice so long as they don’t have to deal with it. Easy enough to step over a passed out junkie on the sidewalk, but they will be the first to call the cops if a homeless person finds his way into one of their fancy restaurants, or takes a dump on their lawn.

        1. To an extent this is true. The really powerful don't even walk on the sidewalk. To the extent that they actually visit Hollywood, it is by car and into private garages where they never interact with the unclear.

          The bizarre bit is the friends I have living in this hell hole. They DO deal with a $300 window being smashed so someone can steal the change out of their cup holder. They have to deal with the fact their kids can't even go to the park any more. They have to deal with the fact that the wife needs to go walking with a large dog for protection on the streets, and she needs to make sure the dog doesn't eat rancid meat or shit from the gutters.

          These peoples used to brag to me about how urbane and happening their little city is. Now they just apologetically warn me how to avoid the roaming drug addicts and vandals. How bizarre.

      3. Overt, SF is (amazingly) not such bootlickers.

  12. "I have been asked to put on a mask while walking to my table, or waiting in line for food, at a dozen different places—from fancy restaurants to grab-and-go sandwich shops."

    The mask mandates are in place because you complied every single time.

      1. Not according to the author of the paper you were touting earlier.

        1. The author of the paper I touted (well, the NIH is touting it, actually) wants to pull back on the retarded mandates.

          1. No, he doesn't:

            “S.V. Subramanian, the Harvard professor of population health and geography behind the paper, says the vaccine doubters are completely wrong. “That conclusion is misleading and inaccurate,” Subramanian told me of Horowitz’s Blaze column over email. “This paper supports vaccination as an important strategy for reducing infection and transmission, along with hand-washing, mask-wearing, and physical distancing.” ubramanian says his findings suggest that it’s unwise to ignore other treatments and precautionary steps—say, masks or lockdowns. In other words, he writes, the “sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined… other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination.”

            Over email, Subramanian insisted that the positive effects of vaccines are not in doubt: “Other research has clearly and definitively established that the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality.”

  13. Has Buttigieg yet figured out that one way to ease the supply chain problems is to end the COVID restrictions on truck drivers and dock workers and railroad employees and the like or are the Democrats still so obsessed with the vaccine mandates that they don't care how many people they have to kill to enforce them?

    1. Pretty sure Mayor Pete isn't bothering himself with such trivia. He's got a new kid, and that's all that matters.

      1. Two new kids - twins.

        1. Did he father them or pick them up somewhere?

          1. More importantly, are his nipples sore from chest feeding?

    2. If it saves just one life I will kill every last motherfucker in the country.

    3. Part of the 3.5 trillion dollars the Dems hope to spend is to enhance family leave benefits. (i.e. keeping more people away from work longer.)

      Couple that with the vaccine mandates for employees (keeping even more people away from work), and we'll have this supply chain hiccup cured in no time.

  14. Mandates are for little thees, not Supreme Leader ME!

  15. Diane, on your great find at the beginning of this thread, the author denounced your interpretation:

    "S.V. Subramanian, the Harvard professor of population health and geography behind the paper, says the vaccine doubters are completely wrong. “That conclusion is misleading and inaccurate,” Subramanian told me of Horowitz’s Blaze column over email. “This paper supports vaccination as an important strategy for reducing infection and transmission, along with hand-washing, mask-wearing, and physical distancing.” ubramanian says his findings suggest that it’s unwise to ignore other treatments and precautionary steps—say, masks or lockdowns. In other words, he writes, the “sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined… other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination.”

    Over email, Subramanian insisted that the positive effects of vaccines are not in doubt: “Other research has clearly and definitively established that the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality.”

    and this guy takes the study apart:

    https://chatters.substack.com/p/european-journal-of-epidemiology

    1. If the point of vaccines is to only reduce hospitalization and mortality, then continuing it as a mandate is useless. It doesn't reduce spread, so it becomes an individuals choice. If you note, it also is a near zero risk to children and the Pfizer study said they could not measure the effect on children due to their low negative responses to Covid.

    2. “This paper supports vaccination as an important strategy for reducing infection and transmission, along with hand-washing, mask-wearing, and physical distancing.” ubramanian says his findings suggest that it’s unwise to ignore other treatments and precautionary steps—say, masks or lockdowns. In other words, he writes, the “sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined… other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination.”

      This refutes nothing I've suggested. Absolutely nothing. Vaccines have been touted as the singular way to fight COVID, including in populations that are at statistically zero risk.

      I KNEW when I posted that paper it would touch some nerves, and damn if it didn't touch the right nerves.

      1. Yeah, he's trying to redefine your argument and he's hoping nobody notices.

      2. And let's not ignore yet ANOTHER goal-post shifting from the usual THE SCIENCE! (tm) folks. 5 months ago, we all just needed to get the jab and we'd be done with the pandemic. And now it's, force people to get the jab...twice...maybe more, and also we have to lockdown and mask up.

        Every time they have claimed to have science on their side as they "temporarily" limit our freedoms, they just double down on stupid within a month. Click click click goes the ratchet as they mouth their shitty little justifications, completely ignoring the fact that their shitty little justifications have changed half a dozen times in the last 20 months.

        1. Plus, they haven’t altered the trajectory of the pandemic in any way.

      3. No one touts vaccines as 'the singular way" to face Covid, least of all the feds.

        The point of discussing issues for serious people isn't touching nerves, but maybe you're not.

        You might read this for criticism of the papers methodology, which doesn't distinguish between reporting methods, which of course throws the results in question since it merely quotes those self reported numbers.

        https://chatters.substack.com/p/european-journal-of-epidemiology

        1. "No one touts vaccines as ‘the singular way” to face Covid, least of all the feds."

          Well no one does it any more. In April, absolutely everyone was explaining that the Jab was the only way to get out from under mask mandates and perpetual lockdowns. Now it's "JAB. MASK. LOCKDOWN or else we'll never...um....we'll think of some other stick this will save you from..."

          Once again, your gas lighting is tiresome.

          1. Overt, Denmark reached our goal of 80%+ vaccination and is indeed abandoning mask mandates and opening up more. That fool Stossel couldn't understand what the difference between our 2 countries was, mainly because idiots like him are the cause for our difference.

            1. Oh look, Joe, who doesn't even know the basics of historical life expectancy is calling other people fools.

              85% (218MM) of the adult population (256MM) in the US have received a jab. 74% (189MM) have been fully vaccinated. The idea that 5% vaccination rate is the difference between now and Team-Blue, scientifically illiterate gaslighters like yourself backing off your lunacy is...lunacy.

              Back in april, the call was to get to 70% vaccination rate. Now suddenly it is 80%, and by the way, all the same talking heads are predicting a new normal of periodic lockdowns and mask mandates as emergency measures. Oh, and don't forget the booster jabs, and vaccinating kids with zero risk!

              You come on this site every day pronouncing with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY whatever scientific fact you read on Reddit or Dem Underground this morning. Are you completely incapable of remembering what you said months ago?

    3. I take pleasure in knowing that you spent your entire afternoon frowning and harumphing in front of your computer, looking for any straw to grasp at to debunk an NIH study that found there was no correlation between case loads and vaccination rates.

      1. And all he was able to do was try and reframe your argument. Lol.

      2. What a sad existence. By the way, I'm doing this while working on a drawing and calling subs.

        Also, it's not an NIH study.

        1. By the way, I’m doing this while working on a drawing and calling subs.
          Translation: coloring book and sandwiches

        2. Did you have a chance to research historical life expectancies yet? No? Maybe you should try opining on one thing you are clueless about at a time, sweetheart.

          1. I already gave you that info Overt, but here's a dictionary definition:

            " the statistically determined average number of years of life remaining after a specified age for a given group of individuals"

            If you are talking about all the humans of an era in a place, then that would logically include all from birth and that is what is meant by average life expectancy for a given year and place. Here is a chart for the US from 1850 (it was under 40 until 1880).

            https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040079/life-expectancy-united-states-all-time/

            1. I know what average life expectancy is. The problem is that you think it meant that the average person lived to 40, and that leads you to make very stupid statements like "The average adult is trying to figure out how to get past 40".

              But now this has been explained to you about a dozen times, and you still don't get it. That allows me to understand how incapable of rationality you really are.

              It's very simple to just say, "Oh you know, I didn't realize that about Life Expectancy. That doesn't change my overall point (or, that leads me to reevaluate some things)." But you aren't here interested in conversation, which is why you are afraid to even concede that you might be wrong about this. You are looking at a scoreboard when you should be opening your mind.

              Again, in a decade you might get there.

        3. Fuck off and die, asshole Joe.

        4. while working on a drawing"

          He's drawing peepees and bulges on all the girls in his collection of Swimsuit Editions, to keep them politically correct.

          1. I'm a builder Mother, and I am also CAD proficient and do some of the drawings for my projects and at a minimum, working drawings to clarify issues for the guys in the field.

            1. Is that the bio they gave you at the fifty-cent factory? Going by your comments here I sort of doubt that you work for a living.

              1. They make shit that everyone on site ignores before getting back to work.

                Off site designers are a sick joke and one of the consistently incompetent.

          2. Anyone can do cad btw so no humble bragging please. Our companies lowest paid folks that weren't front desk folk were kids doing cad drawings.

    4. Joe, you're a gaslighting idiot.

  16. Masks, the kind of which are typically worn in public, are useless.
    And even if they were effective, a huge number of people don't wear them correctly.

    Regardless, where I live I see about one person in a hundred sporting them. Even at crowded indoor venues. It has been reduced to pointless signaling [I observe them at about the same frequency as MAGA hats].

  17. Quo, numerous studies now have shown the effectiveness of mask wearing in minimizing the spread of Covid, and even Diane's author supports their continued use.

    1. That would explain all the waves and spikes.

    2. Ooh, but she “touched a nerve” and I guess that’s what matters.

      1. For the benefit of the thread, arguing with Mike is arguing with someone who will never take responsibility for what he says. In fact, you might as well mute him now and save yourself the frustration. He is a completely disingenuous adversary and you would do better arguing with the main character from Memento.

        https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/#comment-9091773

        That is Mike insisting that he “would never look to Rolling Stone” for news, after spreading their bogus ivermectin story only days earlier. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.

        The pathological narcissism required to disrespect the truth and readers so heavily should make him ashamed. It won't though, so I advise others in the thread to avoid engaging with someone that argues in such bad faith.

        1. Exactly.
          Mike's a troll by his own admission and should be treated as such.

          Mike Laursen
          September.18.2021 at 11:38 am
          SQRLSY, can you cover for me today? In a typical day, I usually:
          – post a comment or two pointing out logical flaws, contradictions and partisanship in Ken’s essays, which he regards as examples of flawless logical thinking
          – post a comment or two pointing out that Ashli Babbitt was not a saint and the January 6th MAGA rioters were violent
          – post one “Fuck Tulpa!” comment

    3. " numerous studies now have shown the effectiveness of mask wearing"
      Yes, the "effectiveness" is near zero.
      Ban the vaccine. Isolate the vaccinated until this shit wears off.
      It's OK to forgive yourself for backing the wrong people.

    4. Numerous studies have found the following conclusion about masks:

      Masks are effective in stopping respiratory droplets.
      Masks are ineffective at stopping individual viruses.

      If you are sick, and coughing, firstly you should isolate. Secondly, you should wear a mask to stop respiratory droplets you expel when you cough or sneeze. Thirdly, if you are sick, physically distance from others. And that is pretty much the sum and total of what these studies tell us.

    5. Karen is upsot today, I see. Did actual science get your panties in a twist?

      You know you're full of shit. Everyone here knows you're full of shit... Bet your kids know you're a fool too.

    6. "numerous studies..."

      cite them; at best paper surgical masks [not made to protect the user] have offered about 11% protection, while the more common cloth variety is at about 5%; and this is when they are worn effectively.

      If you want protection, as I have in the emergency department where I work, wear an N 95 NIOSH approved regulator that is properly sized for you. And wear it properly and at the right times.

      Otherwise you are just pushing a false narrative and encouraging a false sense of security.

  18. Those of us in middle America ditched the mask mandates long ago.

    "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

    -you all know who wrote this

    1. Fortunately you're in a minority Obsolete, so no, you're not in middle America.

      1. What would an ActBlue spokespuppet like you know about middle America?

        1. It looks boring from a plane.

          1. Joe might also have the repetitive thought of "corn" too.

      2. Do you even venture out in public? Go out to a restaurant where you live and count the mask wearers. You'll see more MAGA hats.

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  20. I say "hell no" to this. It is irrelevant if you think the rules are silly. Biden does not get to set vaccine mandates and then not follow other covid rules. It doesn't work that way. If he thinks the rules are silly he can encourage the states to change them. But there will be no "politicians can ignore mask rules that are dumb " because I motherf*cking cant.

  21. Come on Man Reason. Jen Psaki (the consummate liar) said old Joe just took a second to long to get his mask on after dining. Follow the approved line when it comes to Joe or face the consequences. One would think Reason has FJB syndrome!!!!

  22. It's okay because mandates are only for us to follow not the privileged ruling class. They need to enforce mandates against us to keep us in line so they can retain their power and control over us.

    Besides Covid-19 is a targeted sentient virus and know not to infect the privileged ruling class. The virus also knows that when you are sitting down at the table you are off limit, but while walking to the table your are fair game unless your are a member of the privileged ruling class.

    Come On Man, you need to follow the "New" Science.

  23. Joke’s on you Robbie and your fellow writers. None of these mask mandates should have been in effect, and we’ve been screaming about it from the start. All you assholes that carried the water for these pricks sound like a bunch of hapless pussies as you slowly figure out that you have been played by the assholes making the rules.

  24. C'mon now, take it easy on Joe - how do you expect him to sniff the little children if he's wearing a mask?

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