SCOTUS, Under Fire From Left and Right, Is Back in Session With Guns and Abortion on the Docket
The justices robe up for another term.

The U.S. Supreme Court returns today from its summer break. As the justices robe up for another term, they face both a docket loaded with hot-button cases and an increasingly fraught political climate full of attacks on judicial independence coming from both the left and the right.
Things will seriously heat up on November 3 when the Court hears oral arguments in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, which asks whether the Empire State's strict concealed-carry licensing scheme violates the Second Amendment. This one looks to be the Court's biggest gun rights case in years. In fact, the impending Second Amendment showdown is already creating deep divisions among ostensible allies.
Case in point: In July, a group of public defense lawyer organizations, including the Black Attorneys of Legal Aid, the Bronx Defenders, and Brooklyn Defender Services, urged the Court to strike down the state's gun control scheme for both violating the Second Amendment and disparately harming racial and ethnic minorities. "For our clients," the brief stated, "New York's licensing requirement renders the Second Amendment a legal fiction. Worse, virtually all our clients whom New York prosecutes for exercising their Second Amendment rights are Black and Hispanic." And that, the brief argued, "is no accident. New York enacted its firearm licensing requirements to criminalize gun ownership by racial and ethnic minorities. That remains the effect of its enforcement by police and prosecutors today."
By contrast, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU), which might normally be expected to side with the public defenders, have taken the opposite view of government power in this dispute. The ACLU and NYCLU want New York's police and prosecutors to keep on enforcing the state's gun control scheme. According to their brief, "the Second Amendment permits states to impose reasonable regulations on public carry to preserve the safety and peace conducive to civil life." Expect to hear more about this rift between public defenders and the ACLU as the case takes center stage.
Barely a month after the Supreme Court tackles guns, the justices will weigh arguments about abortion. On December 1, the Court is set to hear Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which asks whether Mississippi's ban on nearly all abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy violates those SCOTUS precedents that recognize a woman's constitutional right to have an abortion. Mississippi has specifically urged the justices to overturn those precedents. With Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey (1992) thus up for possible reconsideration, Dobbs is set to be the Court's biggest abortion case in many years.
And while all of that is happening, the Supreme Court itself will be facing loud and sustained political attacks from both the left and the right.
On the left, many activists are already pressuring President Joe Biden to pack the Court with friendly jurists who will predictably uphold the Democratic policy agenda. These calls for liberal court packing have not gone unnoticed at the Supreme Court. Indeed, the Court's longest-serving Democratic appointee, Justice Stephen Breyer, has publicly rebuked the court packers. In his new book, The Authority of the Court and the Peril of Politics (Harvard University Press), the 83-year-old justice argued that if the liberal court packers get their way, they will be guilty of trashing the Court's legitimacy, something that will put liberalism itself in long-term danger.
Meanwhile, on the right, there are now calls for SCOTUS to embrace a vigorous right-wing agenda regardless of any pesky constitutional limits that might get in the way. Conservative Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, for example, is currently imploring the legal right to ditch originalism in favor of what he calls "authoritative rule for the common good." In Vermeule's telling, the problem with the Supreme Court is that its use of originalism has led to a number of libertarian results.
"Under a regime of common good constitutionalism," Vermeule has argued, "libertarian assumptions central to free-speech law and free-speech ideology" must necessarily "fall under the ax." What is more, "libertarian conceptions of property rights and economic rights will also have to go, insofar as they bar the state from enforcing duties of community and solidarity in the use and distribution of resources." (Plenty of liberal court packers would probably agree with Vermeule on all of the above, substituting their own vision of the "common good," of course.)
In sum, the Supreme Court is taking heavy political flak while the justices are preparing to hear hugely controversial cases. Things will only get crazier from here.
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One of the survival skills I learned was taking off your bell-bottom trousers over your boots, and using them as an impromptu life vest. Then they changed to straight-leg trousers. Made me wonder if they also changed the water survival course.
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> In Vermeule's telling, the problem with the Supreme Court is that its use of originalism has led to a number of libertarian results.
Gosh, won't someone take all that power away from the libertarians! It's well known they're conspiring to take over the government with the goal of leaving you alone.
Which libertarians want to leave people alone? They're rarer than conservatives calling for the abandonment of originalism.
Proggies who understand what libertarianism is are even rarer.
Ohhh, I get it. You're saying that those of us who have repeatedly, over and over, said No I Do Not Support Mask Mandates really support mandates, but just aren't honest enough to say it, right?
Now say you agree with the statement that some racists are good people.
What's your point? What I see in these comments in libertarians saying xyz and then getting bombarded with what they really believe, and then being called liars when they disagree.
I went over this with you yesterday dummy.
If you are in a thread and giving pros and cons, you are discussing an idea.
If you go into 90 threads only giving one side over and over and over again, you are advocating.
It isn't that difficult.
If you keep saying "I understand the need for masks" despite all the actual first hand real world data saying they have a net zero effect over and over, it is advocating. Not changing your views on first hand real world data to counter your arguments means you are treating it as you would any other belief system.
You’re wasting your breath. Sarc, is too drunk, too broken, and too dishonest to really discuss anything.
He has me "muted" again anyways because of reasons.
JesseAz has never discussed anything other than people, so he's on permamute. You can join him.
Lol. You've said this in every thread where I've had discussions with other people. You know this just shows you as the liar right
Everybody has some good and some bad. Famously, Hitler liked his dog. Mother Theresa indubitably had some fault or the other.
If you want to lump all those pluses and minuses into overall good and bad, that;s your calculus, which is probably different from everybody else's.
She was a smoker. Shun her.
Sure. Except libertarians, notoriously and self-proclaimedly are here to leave you alone. If you have bad ideas about black people, mexicans, the chinese, europeans... libertarians don't care.
If your calculus says people can't be good because they think bad thoughts, you aren't libertarian.
Ghandi was racist and sexist. It shouldn't be too hard for a libertarian to acknowledge that, despite being racist and/or sexist he was a good person. Or even if not, point to where his violent oppression violated libertarian precepts.
Sarc and Reason are so far from libertarian, he can't coneptualize someone being both good and racist. They don't want leave people alone if they think the wrong thing, as anti-liberty authoritarian as it gets. Even the most rabid, pro-life conservative doesn't really care if you think abortion should be legal as long as you don't actually murder any babies.
Sarc and Reason are so far from libertarian, he can’t coneptualize someone being both good and racist.
What are you talking about?
Ohhhhhhh. I didn't answer your question because I thought it was stupid, so you fill in the blank with what you imagine I meant.
That's why conversation with you is impossible. If I don't say something you fill in the blank, and then call me a liar when I disagree with what you inferred.
Mother Theresa denied care until conversion.
Yeah, finding things to denigrate Mother Teresa for is actually pretty easy. There's also the bit about advocating against birth control for desperately impoverished people in third world countries.
Refusing to submit to the herding term "racist", I would definitely conclude that some people whom you would consider a racist are good people, likely "better" in some ways than you are yourself!
You seem to protesting a bit too much there Sarc.
Bake the cake and serve anybody who shows up at your lunch counter, whether you want to or not, or the libertarians in government will shut you down.
"Bake the cake and serve anybody who shows up at your lunch counter, whether you want to or not, or the libertarians in government will shut you down"
Sarcasm?
Except that libertarians don't always agree with the right. And anyone who disagrees with the right supports the left. That makes libertarians in total alignment with the left. Don't you know anything?
You do realize you've called almost everyone here that disagrees with you a rightist or a trump cultist at some point right? So all you're doing is projecting your own behaviors onto others.
When you've ended up on the side of White Mike and Jeff... maybe it is you who has the issue. At this point they've been called out by every other libertarian except you. You know how the saying goes right?
Yeah, kind of crazy how progressives will die in the last ditch defending a judge made in enumerated right like abortion, but reinterpret the constitution into nothingness to restrict gun rights.
As an anti-abortion liberatarian I have to recognize that the purpose of government is not to enforce my policy preferences on others liberty interests, no matter how many lives it would save. But progressives see no such boundaries, they want to enforce their gun prohibition agenda even though it would likely cost many more lives than it would save.
Everybody is partial towards their own kid, that's what's going on here. You can't expect the judiciary to care as much about rights some dead guys foisted on them, as they do about the rights still stinking from being drawn out of their own nether orifices.
Rarely does one catch a Reason infiltrator from the nationalsocialist Bund printing such a baldfaced lie. These States swarms with religious brainwashees unable to distinguish translations of ancient prophecies from languages they cannot read. Yet they demand men with guns threaten and shoot at clinics per Robert Dear's example because of medieval papal suppositions about baptism and divine torture in a hypothetical hereafter. This is what they call "originalism," as in original sin. Nothing could be farther from anti-aggressive libertarian policies.
Conservative Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, for example, is currently imploring the legal right to ditch originalism in favor of what he calls "authoritative rule for the common good."
BOAF SIDEZ!
Progressives abandoned originalism and have championed its abandonment since Roe v. Wade (if not before). Now that conservatives are abandoning it, we've got a real crisis on our hands... and it's conservatives' fault.
One side has Democrat officeholders urging the president to pack the court, the other side has an obscure professor whose constituency is...? Obviously, they are equally dangerous.
Seriously, how far down did Root have to go to dig up this guy?
Just so he could say "meanwhile a 'conservative' law professor no one has ever heard of wants to do the same thing as progressives so both sides..."
But Mom... all the other kids are doin' it!
The incoming class of Harvard was 85% liberal by self declaration.
He isn't even that conservative, more of a Kavanaugh type who prefers Congress to do whatever they vote on.
Vermeule is a judicial review skeptic. Jonathan Siegel has written that Vermeule's approach to the interpretation of law:
eschews, and attempts to transcend, the main elements of the long-standing debates over methods that courts should use to interpret statutes and the Constitution ... he sees no need to resolve apparently burning questions such as whether courts are bound by what legislatures write, or by what legislatures intend ... For Vermeule, everything comes down to a simple but withering cost–benefit analysis.[8]
In 2007, Vermeule said about the United States Supreme Court that it should stay away from controversial political matters, such as abortion laws and anti-sodomy statutes and defer to Congress
Stephanie Slade digs Vermuele up every other post.
This, like plucking magots from Lazarus, is "reeincarnation."
I'm still trying to figure out how he's a conservative anyway. He doesn't sound like one.
False flag conservative?
Modern conservatism mostly descends from classical liberalism. Vermeule represents a lingering element of the other strain, aristocratic conservatism. You might think of William F. Buckley, but he was never as devoted to the aristocratic version as Vermeule.
You might also view Vermeule as demonstrating that originalism really does constrain conservatives, he's what you get when that constraint is rejected.
Almost one the trad Caths buy his Papist Sharia bullshit.
He sounds like a hardcore socon who decided that freedom just doesn't suit his needs.
It's Harvard, he's probably advanced some ultraconservative nonsense like 'women shouldn't dress like whores and then complain when they attract such attention', 'women should exercise their choices about their bodies before they get pregnant' or 'there are only two genders'.
Oh, he’s conservative…….. relative to most of the communist professors on campus. But that isn’t saying much.
Marx and Engels themselves would probably be expelled from most Ivy League faculties for holding views that are insufficiently "progressive".
One side has democratic officholder urging vaccine mandates, shutting down businesses, reading the word 'sex' to include fictional genders, spending trillions of dollars stolen from generations not yet born, abdicating the ability to declare war to the executive, abdicating the ability to treaty internationally to the executive, granting regulatory authority to unelected departments... the other has a guy saying we should be more authoritatively conservative.
If the Supreme Court doesn't rule the way Democrats want, it will be more important than ever for Biden to expand the Court by at least 4 seats.
#LibertariansForBiden
PS — Don't listen to anyone who tells you this would qualify as "court packing." That's such a cynical manipulation of established terminology. In fact, court packing is when Republicans fill judicial vacancies. When Democrats create new seats and immediately fill those, that's actually un-packing the courts.
it will be more important than ever for Biden to listen to the will of
his commissionthe American public and expand the Court by at least 4 seatsJudge packing
Excellent.
Inspired, OBL.
"the Second Amendment permits
states to impose reasonable regulations onpublic carry to preserve the safety and peace conducive to civil life."Another take.
^100%
According to their brief, "the Second Amendment permits states to impose reasonable regulations on public carry to preserve the safety and peace conducive to civil life."
It's funny how we can never get any sort of definition of "reasonable". Or how it never applies to things "progressives" like.
The three safest states in the Union, according to the FBI violent crime statistics, are all Constitutional carry. The progressives’ arguments don’t carry much weight.
They're also 99% white.
It has to do with treating adults like adults, having more space to stretch and having generational continuity of responsible firearm ownership.
These are rarities in places like St. Louis, Baltimore and Philly.
It’s because they’re rural shitholes with no people so there isn’t that many people to shoot.
Maine and Oregon have nearly identical population densities:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183588/population-density-in-the-federal-states-of-the-us/
But Maine and Oregon have appreciably different violent crime rates:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-4
That's because the population of Portland Oregon is over 600,000, which is half the population of the entire state of Maine. Compare to Portland Maine with a population a tenth of that at around 60,000.
There is no comparison.
They have near identical population densities. Violent crime rates is the reported data by the FBI. Not total incidences.
Portland and Portland are equal? Really? Please tell me this is a joke.
Maine and Oregon. Please read the post before you hit reply.
If you want to go all mathematical and say total population divided by total square miles is comparable, then sure. But the differences between Portlands makes that average a meaningless number.
I wasn’t making any specific statements regarding either Portland. I was comparing Maine to Oregon. Per the linked cites.
The states may have near identical population densities, but that doesn't mean the states' populations live at the same densities. A largely rural state, and a mostly empty state with one big city, could average out to the same density, with most of the people in the latter living in each other's armpits.
There were safest states long before Constitutional Carry.
And try exercising open carry in Portland. You'll be surrounded by cops before you can say wicked pissah.
Except when Antifa is actively shooting at the Proud Boys. Then it is only after the fact.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-member-charged-shooting-anti-vaxxer-washington
Nevermind, that was Washington, not portland.
But there were also cases in Portland where cops stood by.
Same difference.
I don’t open carry anywhere except on my land. I only see about one open carry every decade. Portland used to do that and folks would record it. Not sure if they had to pay out for violating rights or if the issue wasn’t pushed.
Noo Yawkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic... until Lolita Lebrón exercised Constitutional open carry inside the Capitol. Then again, what did Jefferson say about a little revolution now and the?
When two things are both true, but there is no provable connection between them, there is a word for that. It's called coincidence.
Criminals don’t like armed victims.
True. But again, if there is something that you can point to that objectively proves armed citizens prevent crime, awesome. If not, it's just an unsupported belief.
Being armed as a crime victim is better than the alternative. But that doesn't mean that criminals won't be criminals if some people are armed.
More Guns Less Crime
They defined "reasonable" when they had a collective meltdown after the Heller decision: It means absolutely anything they feel like doing.
"Shall not be infringed". Fuck the ACLU.
On the one side we have a metric fuckton of activists and a bunch of politicians. On the other side we have a single authoritarian dickweasel prof at Harvard. These two are clearly much of a sameness.
^100%
Yep. Reason writers.
"Under a regime of common good constitutionalism," Vermeule has argued, "libertarian assumptions central to free-speech law and free-speech ideology" must necessarily "fall under the ax." What is more, "libertarian conceptions of property rights and economic rights will also have to go, insofar as they bar the state from enforcing duties of community and solidarity in the use and distribution of resources."
They call this guy "conservative"? What the fuck is he conserving?
His tenure.
That guy sounds like he's just straight up arguing for communism. He doesn't appear conservative by any US definition of the term.
He clerked for Scalia and is religious. By most of the definitions of the New Speak on the left, that makes him conservative even if he starts quoting Mao.
He’s conserving Marxism.
Remember, for the longest time, Shikha Dalmia identified as conservative.
Between "Stalinism isn't Marxism" and "Ted Cruz hates classical liberalism", I wouldn't trust Reason to identify a conservative if he cut regulations and ended America's longest war.
He's the right wing of the Harvard faculty.
"Under a regime of common good constitutionalism," Vermeule has argued, "libertarian assumptions central to free-speech law and free-speech ideology" must necessarily "fall under the ax."
Fuck you, Vermeule. Totalitarianism is totalitarianism, hidden behind the lie of common good or otherwise.
Isn't it always [hidden behind the lie of common good]?
"y contrast, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU), which might normally be expected to side with the public defenders, have taken the opposite view of government power in this dispute. "
The ACLU is a fundamentally left-wing organization, it has been since its founding. It has hired the occasional token non-lefty as window dressing, (Sheila Kennedy, for instance.) but the left has remained in control. They're not allowed to take principled positions the left really dislikes.
So, they've never been remotely honest about the 2nd amendment, and when they ventured off the plantation with their Citizens United brief, they got yanked back into their assigned place, and their leash shortened.
So it's hardly surprising they'd take an anti-civil liberties position when it comes to guns.
Indeed, the ACLU chairman for its first 20 years was a supporter of eugenics who only resigned when the ACLU wouldn’t allow fucking communists to hold officer positions in the organization.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_F._Ward
Wouldn't allow known communists to hold such positions. I doubt they ever had a problem with communists who had decent deniability being in the leadership.
this Vermeule guy sounds like an idiot.
https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/in-defense-of-common-good-constitutionalism
Seems like he is quite to Roman Catholic apologist; I wonder what Barrett thinks of professor Vermeule?
That would require a Reason journalist to talk to two conservatives, potentially at the same time, and... just... ew.
Can this Vermulele guy even be considered a conservative in any conventional sense? I'll admit that I've only seen a couple of blurbs in the last 10 or so minutes, but everything I see attributed to him could have come directly out of the Democrat party playbook.
He's probably attended Mass in the last decade, what more proof do you need?
The New Republic's take on this:
https://newrepublic.com/article/161162/originalism-dead-long-live-catholic-natural-law
They just literally want to usher in the Handmaid's Tale, I tell you. Meanwhile the progs have their own religion they'd like to see enforced.
Meanwhile the progs have their own religion they’d like to see enforced.
The Handperson's Tale
Better than your screwy beliefs
The New York case has the potential to usher in a requirement for “strict scrutiny “ of gun laws.
This could end assault rifle and magazine capacity limits in all states.
I won’t hold my breath as the court is famous for narrowly tailoring gun rulings.
But we can dream of gun freedom
The Vermulele guy became catholic 5 years ago and has gone all 17th century! He is ready for HWII (holy war II)
…which asks whether the Empire State's strict concealed-carry licensing scheme violates the Second Amendment.
The answer is “yes, it does violate the 2A”.
Hint: those that actively violate the 2A aren’t big on the rest of your civil rights. Unless of course its “reproductive freedom” or voting without ID.
That’s your new civil rights.
I've observed that a politicians stance on 2A generally serves as a litmus test, as to how they rate on many other freedoms.
As in, can they read and understand plain language, or do they immediately try to reinterpret everything to match their chosen narrative.
Mormons shouldn’t criticize people.
L. Neil Smith: Why did it have to be guns?
"Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.
People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.
Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.
If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.
If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.
What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?
If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?
If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?
If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?
Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.
He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?
And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.
Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?
On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?
Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.
And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.
But it isn't true, is it?"
Excellent; thank you for posting.
saving this one
Excellent
"the Second Amendment permits states to impose reasonable regulations on public carry to preserve the safety and peace conducive to civil life."
Yep, no question that is what "shall not be infringed" means.
Well, prior to the 14th, there was an argument to be had.
Yes. Jews like Herschel Feibel Grynszpans will be stopped from shooting Positive Christian infiltrators like Ernst Eduard vom Rath if it takes baking half of France in eugenic altruism ovens. This and the USSR are the historical "better" alternatives to America's selfish and misguided Second Amendment. And don't forget... Nixon's ABM treaty goood. Totalitarians are reassured by supine helplessness.
I am pro-Second Amendment. But people like the guy Brett quoted are more damaging to gun rights than a gaggle of high school kids from a Florida school massacre. Unrestrained gun ownership is a terrible idea. There are plenty of people who shouldn't have a gun. Pretending otherwise doesn't help.
I can see what you mean about the quote and how that would make people dubious. But it is hard to argue with “If he doesn’t want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?” and “He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn’t have a gun — but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others?”.
In fact, this was my primary motivation for picking the GOP over the Democrats when I finally gave up on the LP; I figured that any party that couldn't tolerate people being armed probably had plans that they figured would make people want to shoot them.
How original! The I-believed-in-freedom-while-young-and-stupid gambit straight out of the National Socialist handbook. How convincing!
So there are "plenty of people who shouldn’t have a gun."
Ok, seems what we need here are laws that make it illegal for criminals to have guns...wait. Maybe there are already such laws that need to be enforced? Perhaps you should start with Mayor Lightfoot on this issue.
And by the way, I am not "one of those people" and you can take any notion of universal restrictions [AWB, for example] and fuck yourself with it. Literally 99+% of us gun owners ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
Bullshit. People like you who have sub 6th grade reading comprehension are.
He doesn't argue for unrestrained gun ownershi, to wit:
"Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn’t you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school — or the military? "
"If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash — for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything — without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you."
This, of course, isn't at all advocating for unrestrained gun ownership. Except for the "child" and "... machinegun, anything" parts.
This sort of extreme position, along with the gross generalization that if a politician doesn't support the most extreme position on guns they aren't trustworthy, gets reasonable gun advocates painted as extremists.
Acknowledging that not everyone should have a gun will strengthen the pro-Second Amendment position, not weaken it.
Every time a family annihilator kills his wife and children or a domestic abuser kills his girlfriend/wife/ex with a gun, this is the sort of quote that will be found and used to strengthen the anti-gun crowd.
We need to protect law-abiding gun owners by supporting laws that bar the violent and abusive from claiming they are like us.
"We need to protect law-abiding gun owners by supporting laws that bar the violent and abusive from claiming they are like us."
I don't believe anyone here is saying we shouldn't impose limits on adjudicated criminals; when you read the post by Brett I don't believe Smith is saying that either:
"He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn’t have a gun — but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others?" Also note reference to "average" and "responsible" constituents. I do not see him advocating for criminals, at least not here.
But when you make a vague statement along the lines of "Unrestrained gun ownership is a terrible idea" that is going to solicit a lot of ire.
'on the right, there are now calls for SCOTUS to embrace a vigorous right-wing agenda regardless of any pesky constitutional limits that might get in the way.'
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'Conservative Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule, for example,'
Right; because some RINO in a Lefty-Indoctrination Camp and massively Lefty-Career is having an identity crisis.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/11/17/harvard-affiliates-donate-democratic/
Surely that ONE single RINO speaks for the entire Right-Side.
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Reminds me of one of my fav old jokes:
How does an ACLU lawyer count to ten?
1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10!
3rd Reich Kristallnacht laws, like New York "commonsense gun laws" passed after a Jewish lad plugged a nationalsocialist Abwehr "diplomat" in pre-Blitzkrieg France. A thoughtful gift for homespun Bundist infringers is a newsreel collection of Vichy Frenchmen reciting German National Socialist cant after Hitler's boys took over most of conveniently disarmed France. The title is The Eye Of Vichy.
Speaking of 5th-column infiltrators, brilliant kleptocracy saboteurs added "We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state" to the 2018 LP platform. With that and uninspected entry the LP lost all the gains of the preceding 8 years and 40% of ballot access. Biden is scooping up voters by offering the ragged heads of Boston Marathon islamobombers to them--complete with complimentary retinue of virgins--instead of forcing citizens to support them with room, board and bodyguards for life.
"On the left, many activists are already pressuring President Joe Biden to pack the Court with friendly jurists who will predictably uphold the Democratic policy agenda."
I mean, if they really think they'll win that civil war, they should flip the switch.
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