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Americans Are Souring on Mask Mandates and Warrantless Surveillance: Poll

Plus: Tipped minimum wage kills jobs, how the U.S. "helped" out women in rural Afghanistan, and more...

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The share of Americans who support mask mandates is down 20 percentage points since last December, according to a new Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll. A slight majority still favor mandates, with 17 percent saying they somewhat support them and 38 professing strong support. But this is down from an overwhelming majority of 75 percent support in December 2020.

Meanwhile, the percentage of poll respondents who are somewhat or strongly opposed climbed 15 percent to 27 percent, with 17 percent now strongly opposed. Some 18 percent of respondents now and 11 percent then said they neither favor nor oppose mask mandates.

The poll question does not specify whether it's referring to government-imposed mask mandates or mask mandates by private businesses.

The A.P.-NORC poll—conducted August 12–16 among 1,729 adults, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points—contains a lot of interesting information about attitudes toward pandemic response and other issues.

According to the poll, Americans have also soured on warrantless surveillance and war on terror measures.

"In particular, 46% of Americans say they oppose the U.S. government responding to threats against the nation by reading emails sent between people outside of the U.S. without a warrant," notes A.P. "That's compared to just 27% who are in favor. In an AP-NORC poll conducted one decade ago, more favored than opposed the practice, 47% to 30%."

And a majority now oppose government listening without a warrant to telephone calls made outside the U.S. or the "monitoring without a warrant of searches on the internet, including those by U.S. citizens, to watch for suspicious activities." In the latest poll, 50 percent opposed the latter and 44 percent opposed the former—up from 37 percent opposition to warrantless search surveillance and 34 percent opposition to warrantless phone call surveillance in a summer 2011 poll.

People are also less enthusiastic about racial and ethnic profiling at the airport (61 percent now opposed, up from 53 percent) and about "random searches involving full-body scans or pat downs of people boarding commercial airlines flights"—though opposition to the latter remains disturbingly low (30 percent now opposed, up from 21 percent).

But not all sorts of government spying have become less popular. Slightly more people now than a decade ago support the installation of surveillance cameras in public places (18 percent opposed, down from 20 percent), and support for government listening to calls made in the U.S. is about on par (with opposition at 66 percent now and 65 percent then).

You can find the full results here.


FREE MINDS

A devastating look at how the U.S. "helped" out women in Afghanistan. "In the countryside, the endless killing of civilians turned women against the occupiers who claimed to be helping them," reports The New Yorker in a fascinating and heartbreaking long read.

The story follows Shakira, a woman living in rural Afghanistan, and her experiences with Soviet rule, the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, and occupying U.S. forces. All had their downsides for rural Afghan women and families—with American and allied troops perhaps causing the most damage. At times, American authorities deputized and supported the very local forces that had been terrorizing them. The murder of civilians—Shakira's family members—were common:

In this way, Shakira's tragedies mounted. There was Muhammad, a fifteen-year-old cousin: he was killed by a buzzbuzzak, a drone, while riding his motorcycle through the village with a friend. "That sound was everywhere," Shakira recalled. "When we heard it, the children would start to cry, and I could not console them."

Muhammad Wali, an adult cousin: Villagers were instructed by coalition forces to stay indoors for three days as they conducted an operation, but after the second day drinking water had been depleted and Wali was forced to venture out. He was shot. …

Niamatullah, Ahmed's brother: He was harvesting opium when a firefight broke out nearby; as he tried to flee, he was gunned down by a buzzbuzzak.

Gul Ahmed, an uncle of Shakira's husband: He wanted to get a head start on his day, so he asked his sons to bring his breakfast to the fields. When they arrived, they found his body. Witnesses said that he'd encountered a coalition patrol. The soldiers "left him here, like an animal," Shakira said.

Entire branches of Shakira's family tree, from the uncles who used to tell her stories to the cousins who played with her in the caves, vanished. In all, she lost sixteen family members. I wondered if it was the same for other families in Pan Killay. I sampled a dozen households at random in the village, and made similar inquiries in other villages, to insure that Pan Killay was no outlier. For each family, I documented the names of the dead, cross-checking cases with death certificates and eyewitness testimony. On average, I found, each family lost ten to twelve civilians in what locals call the American War.

This scale of suffering was unknown in a bustling metropolis like Kabul, where citizens enjoyed relative security. But in countryside enclaves like Sangin the ceaseless killings of civilians led many Afghans to gravitate toward the Taliban. …

Some British officers on the ground grew concerned that the U.S. was killing too many civilians, and unsuccessfully lobbied to have American Special Forces removed from the area. Instead, troops from around the world poured into Helmand, including Australians, Canadians, and Danes. But villagers couldn't tell the difference—to them, the occupiers were simply "Americans." Pazaro, the woman from a nearby village, recalled, "There were two types of people—one with black faces and one with pink faces. When we see them, we get terrified." The coalition portrayed locals as hungering for liberation from the Taliban, but a classified intelligence report from 2011 described community perceptions of coalition forces as "unfavorable," with villagers warning that, if the coalition "did not leave the area, the local nationals would be forced to evacuate."

In response, the coalition shifted to the hearts-and-minds strategy of counter-insurgency. But the foreigners' efforts to embed among the population could be crude: they often occupied houses, only further exposing villagers to crossfire.


FREE MARKETS

Does raising the tipped minimum wage kills jobs? A new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research suggests yes—a higher minimum wage for tipped workers may result in fewer tipped-wage restaurant jobs without corresponding benefits to worker earnings. "Our evidence points to higher tipped minimum wages (smaller tip credits) reducing jobs among tipped restaurant workers, without earnings effects on those who remain employed sufficiently large to raise total earnings in this sector," write study authors David Neumark & Maysen Yen. "And most of our evidence provides no indication that higher tipped minimum wages would be well targeted to poor or low-income families or reduce the likelihood of being poor or very low income." You can find the full study here.


QUICK HITS

• Johns Hopkins University data shows that "the number of Covid-19 patients in hospitals across the US this Labor Day weekend was nearly 300% higher than this time last year," reports The Guardian. And "the average number of deaths was over 86% higher than the same period last year."

• The Department of Justice is gearing up for another antitrust lawsuit against Google.

• "Half a century after the sexual revolution and the start of second-wave feminism, why are the politics of sex still so messy, fraught, and contested?" asks The Atlantic.

• South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, a Republican, is tightening rules around abortion drugs through an executive order.

• How San Francisco's restrictions on chain stores may violate the First Amendment.

•Behavioral geneticist Kathryn Paige Harden "is waging a two-front campaign: on her left are those who assume that genes are irrelevant, on her right those who insist that they're everything." Is there a middle ground—and can anyone be convinced of it?

• "This movement to hold platforms accountable for their users' activities is possibly the biggest single assault on free expression in American history, and it would be naive to assume it will remain limited to attacking pornography and prostitution," writes Jerry Barnett at Quillette.

• Why the American Civil Liberties Union flip-flopped on vaccine mandates.

• Mexico's Supreme Court has ruled the country's ban on abortion unconstitutional.

• In Russia, at least 10 publications and 20 journalists have been targeted by the government since April.

• A taxonomy of cancel culture.

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  1. The share of Americans who support mask mandates is down 20 percentage points since last December…

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    3. That’s a strange headline for a report indicating that virus-flouting, anti-social, lethally reckless misfits are still a minority in modern, improving America.

      1. You misspelled “majority”, asshole bigot.

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  2. …Americans have also soured on warrantless surveillance and war on terror measures.

    So expect another attack in the coming months to bolster the security state’s need.

    1. Or FBI agents cajoling the Proud Boys to attack a new Afghan refugee community in the US. There will be no attack. And the truth, revealed years later, will show it was the government pushing the violence. But the ones arrested will have a cache of a few AR15s and boxes of ammo. Maybe even a bump stock or two.

      1. White Mike will write breathlessly how they found the “Assault Rifles” in the same country as the Capitol, so it must have been insurrection. And he’ll then bring out an AP article demonstrating conclusively that they had all the materials needed for Molotov Cocktails in their liquor cabinet and garage.

        1. Chemleft will then muse on the need for Uighur-style reeducation facilities for people poisoned by Fauxxx News, before they resort to such terrorism.

        2. How will assault fire extinguishers play into this story?

          1. Filled with bear spray!

            1. Intended for an attack on bear week.

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  3. Entire branches of Shakira’s family tree, from the uncles who used to tell her stories to the cousins who played with her in the caves, vanished. In all, she lost sixteen family members.

    She made it all about her? What about the defense contractors who needed to make a sale, and the senators they were married to?

    1. Gotta sell those Jericho Missles, “To peace.”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAgFhh1ji4

    2. Was that before or after she became a pop sensation?

      1. Note: this seemed funnier when the video clip at the bottom of the page featured the singer.

        1. Funnier, and also I’m feeling the urge to watch some Shakira videos.

          1. it is a day ending in y …

            1. If the video with Rihanna had come out when I was 14 I would have treated it like soft-core.

              1. we had MTv lol. but also prism a local philly cable movie network it showed porn after midnite on weekends

  4. Does raising the tipped minimum wage kills jobs?

    It brings new opportunities in the touchscreen menu manufacturing and repair business.

    1. Are we avoiding the ‘just the tip’ jokes because of gauche obviousness?

  5. “Mexico’s Supreme Court has ruled the country’s ban on abortion unconstitutional.”

    I’m honestly not sure how to react to this.

    Of course the second most important goal for us Koch / Reason libertarians is to legalize access to abortion care right up until birth. So I should probably celebrate.

    OTOH our #1 priority is to import cost-effective foreign-born labor — especially from Mexico — for billionaire employers like our benefactor Charles Koch. Seems like population reduction policies in Mexico could shrink Mr. Koch’s potential labor force.

    #ToughCall

    1. OBL conflicted?

      These are strange times indeed.

      1. Hey buddy! Good to see ya! Hope you had a bland punk rock Labor Day rocking out to the Sex Pistols!

        1. nobody likes you.
          you add nothing to the discussion.
          you should follow the advice of Sevo regarding chainsaws.

          1. Anal insertion with the throttle ziptied to full?

    2. Sounds like the Mexican Supreme court has had it’s fill with Mexicans too.

  6. Biden lied people died

    Don’t vote for senile old men like Biden

    1. Nobody did, that’s why the results had to be fortified.

      1. Oh. You’re back to making those claims. Do you actually believe the election was stolen?

          1. Next to the flag button there’s the mute button ya senile old fool. Or you can flag me without posting “asshole flag.”

            I know you’re really out of it, but Jesus Christ.

        1. Do you actually think Mormons are a threat to conquer America?

          1. Of course! They breed like rabbits and will do anything to get more converts.

            They’re really arrogant and stupid. They’re dangerous.

          2. He’s insane; the kindest thing you can do is mute him.

            1. Takes one to know one!

      2. When ML doesn’t respond I figure he’s outside an abortion clinic yelling at people about how they’re murderers and going to hell.

        Funny thing is if he’ll exists he’ll be there for supporting Mormons. Also his lying.

        1. *hell

          Damn autocorrect

  7. “Why the American Civil Liberties Union flip-flopped on vaccine mandates.”

    I can’t wait for Mr. Buttplug to tell us how wonderful the ACLU is, how proud he is to be a donor, and how anyone who objects to its principled libertarian stance must be a freedom-hating wingnut.

    #LibertariansForVaccineMandates

    1. From the ACLU on vaccine mandates: “You don’t have the right to inflict harm on third parties, and that’s what you’re doing when you refuse to take a safe and effective vaccine to a very infectious virus.”

      This is the exact reason why I am so critical of the language used by many at Reason. They concede all points leading into this one statement. Once you get here, how do you argue against a mandate?

      The argument against mandates is a three legged stool: bodily autonomy, moral/societal responsibility and imposition on the rights of non-consenting third parties. If you cut off even one of those legs, the stool falls over along with your justification to no mandates.

      I completely reject all points leading into this. Not because it leads to mandates, but because it is the correct application of libertarian principles.

      1. I completely reject all points leading into this. Not because it leads to mandates, but because it is the correct application of libertarian principles.

        Pretty much. The liberaltarians who claim that not taking this 6-8 month prophylaxis shot is the same as violating the NAP, were rather quiet in the past about flu shots.

        And of course, you have fatties like chemjeff who are terrified of catching it because they know their obesity dramatically increases the risk of death or severe medical issues related to the coof. It’s a lot easier to demand that everyone get the shot, than to put in the work needed to lose weight and eat right.

        1. How about mandatory prep shots for all homos, drug users and their significant others? Or a return of the bans on anal sex?

      2. that’s what you’re doing when you refuse to take a safe and effective vaccine to a very infectious virus

        The left, including the burned out husk of the ACLU, have lost any semblance of sanity.

        Only infected people can even potentially ’cause harm’ by transmitting the virus. There is no risk to others based on one’s vaccination status.. I have not seen anywhere that vaccination has been shown to prevent infection or mitigate transmission. If it did, the number of infections would be falling. There seems to be a scientific consensus that the vaccinated have better outcomes and a decreased length of infection. The logical conclusion is that vaccination only mitigates one’s own risk if infected.

        The potential for harm to others comes from the failure of infected persons to quarantine regardless of vaccination. Understanding that hospitalization has always been a remote outcome, please tell me which group is more likely to quarantine: those who have mild symptoms and have been assured by public health experts that they are not a danger to anyone else, or those with more serious symptoms that will keep them in bed?

        1. Chuck muted me, but warning to others to take anything he says with a grain of salt.

          This is a guy who believes Native Americans came from Israel and are dark because of sin, garments with pagan symbols get you to the best heaven, and a discredited charlatan received golden plates.

          1. warning to others to take anything he says with a grain of salt

            Surprise! I refuse to argue about the church I attend with a guy that misrepresents things I never said as my belief in a religion that doesn’t hold to anything he claims to be its doctrine.

            Meanwhile, KAR has previously stated that reporting on AntiFa by directly quoting them and describing their actions in context makes one a traitor.

            Which one of us is the more disingenuous cunt?

            1. Where did I say that? What did I say?

              1. Put down the bong and read it again.

                Who reported on AntiFa by directly quoting them and describing their actions in context?

                Who have you called a traitor?

                You’ll recognize it eventually after the buzz wears off.

                1. When did I quote Antifa. Must of been inadvertently.

                  If I do smoke pot what does that say about you? that a buzzed out, far out stoner is smarter than you?

                  I know you don’t realize how arrogant, self righteous, and stupid you are. Most Mormons don’t. That’s what makes them so dangerous. Despite being stupid fascists they will never be convinced they aren’t doing Heavenly Father’s work.

                  1. Woosh!

                2. I probably called you a traitor because you Mormons put your religion above your own country.

                  1. put your religion above your own country.

                    In the US, it is recognized as a natural right to put religion above country. Being able to believe/not believe according to the dictates of your own conscience is the entire point of the 1st Amendment and there is no fundamental change to the underlying principle when people choose to do so as a group.

                    The sad thing is that you are espousing Marxist ideology almost verbatim and don’t even recognize it.

            2. “ Surprise! I refuse to argue about the church I attend with a guy that misrepresents things I never said as my belief in a religion that doesn’t hold to anything he claims to be its doctrine.”

              What did I post that you believe misrepresents your church’s beliefs?

              1. What did I post that you believe misrepresents your church’s beliefs?

                LOL! You are definitely a master baiter.

        2. I’m also curious if Chuck or any of his church have narc’d on abortionists or women seeking abortions yet? I’m sure they plan to.

          1. This is just pathetic.

            KAR, master of the ad ho-meh-nem.

            1. Yes it is as hominem, and nothing to do with the topic at hand.

              It is true however. And in the end isn’t the truth the best post?

            2. Beyond pathetic; the guy is likely also beyond help at this point.

              1. Takes one to know one!

                1. what the fuck is wrong with you?

                  1. Can you be more specific with your criticism?

                  2. KARen? Just mad that she kept getting turned down by all those dreamy boys in white shirts on bicycles.

  8. Cobb County’s government is planning an escape room game where the plot is you’ve been “wrongfully sentenced to life without parole” in prison.

    The criminal justice industrial complex is branching out into entertainment (while crowdsourcing escapability testing).

    1. I assume that those who do not “escape” are transferred to a private prison for an extended holiday (and later billed for resort fees).

      1. The winner gets a multi-million dollar court settlement.

    2. I thought escape rooms sounded awesome until I tried one. Probably one of the biggest wastes of time and money in my life.

      Rip everything apart, solve a couple of random ass puzzles and the room has a “theme”. Problem solving? That’s what you want to call it? Its for average IQ, fart sniffing, hipsters…

      1. I’ve always assumed them to be for children or adults too imaginatively crippled or infantalized to picture themselves trapped in any given room they enter. People who don’t or can’t imagine getting trapped in a room that has no walls.

        1. Jesus christ guys, it is a game. It is as culturally and identity affirming as a video game or a movie theater.

          I went to a rather expensive one with my work, and it was awesome- three giant rooms with automated mechanisms and remote controlled shit. The final stage, you were in a mock up of a WWI trench calling artillery down on an enemy position while cannons boomed around you. It was as fun as any movie that I’ve been to in the last 10 years, that’s for sure.

  9. Johns Hopkins University data shows that “the number of Covid-19 patients in hospitals across the US this Labor Day weekend was nearly 300% higher than this time last year…”

    This commenter blames you, the unvaccinated. No, wait, I mean the vaccinated. No, wait, I mean the overweight. No, wait, I mean the anti-masker…

    1. Probably, 300% higher now because they’ve got all the ivermectin ODs, of COVID, on top of the regular cases, of COVID. I blame the WHO’s list of essential drugs.

    2. Oddly enough the only metric that correlates strongly is the obesity.

      1. Hmm, maybe telling people to sit around home and order takeout for a year an a half, while saying nothing about the huge risk factor of obesity wasn’t actually good for people’s health.

        1. The definition of “Amazon and chill” changed from going to someone else’s house and engaging in exercise, to staying home and hammering a pizza.

          1. This comment raises several confusing questions, but I can definitively conclude that if you’re going to fuck a pizza, deep dish is the way to go.

            1. Do you consider a calzone a pizza?

              1. Leave the gun. Bang the cannoli.

      2. If 75% of americans are overweight, and 77% of covid deaths amongst americans are the overweight, I’m not sure there is much of a correlation.
        Mexico is even fatter that us, are their per capita deaths higher?
        Id like to see one of these studies.

        1. Might want to look into your first statistic. And not confuse overweight with obese. May make more sense to you.

    3. Its always Joe Rogan’s fault.

      1. It’s always far right-winger Joe Rogan’s fault.

        FTFY.

    4. No, you had it right in the first place. The surge wouldn’t be happening if more people had accepted vaccination.

      1. Right! Israel proved that one for sure!

        1. https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

          Cherry picking and misinterpreting what we are seeing from Israel. The vaccines are showing the same high rate of effectiveness in Israel as they are elsewhere.

          1. If a vaccinated person can still get infected, either the vaccine isn’t working, or the immunity dies off–and we know that 90% show no immunity after 8 months.

            That’s why Israel is talking about 4 shots now.

      2. I thought your official line was that they don’t work unless you have 50+ boosters?

      3. One of our clients is currently recovering from the Moderna “vaccine”. It paralyzed him from the waste down for a few weeks. How about you take your propaganda and shove it up your ass you lefty pile of shit.

        1. Funny how Pfizer and Moderna had a vaccine created for COVID just a couple of weeks after getting the DNA map from the Wuhan lab, but needs a couple of months to create one for Delta.

      4. Vaccination that made people carriers who decided to go out and not social distance? God you are as big a disingenuous fuck as jeff.

    5. But I thought the hospitals were currently at capacity and overrun? The two narrarative a mutually exclusive

        1. Hey, look!
          Steaming pile of lefty shit found hospitals in Snake’s Navel ID are out of beds!
          Most folks would be embarrassed about posting such obvious cherry-picking, but not our imbecilic Mike!

          1. He also doesn’t realize all these numbers are for “staffed” beds. Because they can’t get enough workers and nurses to fill the the buildings physical capacity.

            And places like Cali and NYC want to force even more Healthcare workers out of the workforce mandating they get vaccinated.

            1. Yep! Jay Inslee is going to fire healthcare workers that don’t want a jab that doesn’t stop transmission, so he’s going to blow up the hospital system we had to stay home to save.

        2. Says the girl that spread the Ivermectin OD lie and never acknowledged it.

          You’ve lost all credibility with everyone here, Dee. Except your fellow lefties like Jeff and sarc.

        3. No they are not moron.

        4. Idaho hospitals are at 64% capacity. That’s literally one of the lowest rates in the nation. 16% of their beds are taken by covid patients.

          https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

          1. Did you read the article I linked to? It wasn’t about Idaho in its entirety. It was about local conditions in the Coeur d’Alene area.

            1. Nobody reads your garbage links anymore.
              Here’s the link for you:

              https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irrelevant

      1. It’s regional. Some are. Some aren’t. What’s your point?

        1. The point is that hospitals have never been overrun. What did happen was deliberate bottle necking of care for a “surge” that never happened. Remember the big push for ventilators and how that faded away with barely a peep? Use your brain.

          1. I wonder what happened to all those ventilators? Are they stacked in a giant warehouse somewhere with the Lost Ark?

    6. Can’t those selfish Covid-catchers think of the poor gunshot victims!?

      1. You present that as a joke, but filling up a hospital bed when you could avoid it by being vaccinated is being thoughtless toward others.

        1. No, it’s not.

    7. It’s almost as if vaccination does nothing to mitigate infection.

      1. But these are infections with the NEW COVID. It won’t be mitigated until everyone is up to date with this week’s booster.

      2. But you still have to get vaccinated anyway. Even if it’s not going to stop you from getting the disease, spreading the disease, or let you go back to a normal life. Because. Just because.

  10. The Department of Justice is gearing up for another antitrust lawsuit against Google.

    How about for false advertising? Don’t be evil, my ass.

  11. “‘Half a century after the sexual revolution and the start of second-wave feminism, why are the politics of sex still so messy, fraught, and contested?’ asks The Atlantic.”

    Well, one of the main demographics causing trouble is honestly cisgender women. Some of them are so bigoted they expect the women’s locker room to be a “safe space” in which they shouldn’t have to see penises or testicles. In fact Reason’s Scott Shackford has diagnosed these bigots with a mental disorder called TRANSGENDER BATHROOM PANIC.

    #IfYouDontWantToSeeDick…
    #…StayOutOfTheLadiesRoom

    1. Feminists do think they want everything men do, and we mostly wouldnt object to naked women in our locker rooms. Henceforth… enjoy all that equality ladies.

      1. Naked people are grossly overrated. Maybe one in twenty is worth looking at.

  12. Minimum wage for tipped workers is a terrible idea for several reasons beyond killing jobs. For restaurant service, the current system works quite well. If you are good at it, you will make good money. If you aren’t, you won’t and you will find a different line of work or get better at waiting tables.
    I’ve noticed that in places where servers don’t get paid mostly in tips, service is often a lot less attentive. On the up side, they are less eager to get you to vacate your table after a meal.

      1. sarcasmic
        August.24.2021 at 8:49 pm
        Flag Comment Mute User

        And yeah, if I was cooking broiler when you ordered yours MW, I’d find the fattiest, gristliest piece I could find and burn the shit out of it. Nothing personal, but if you want to ruin meat, you won’t ruin good meat on my watch.

        1. Bet your waiters fucking loved your meat justice stances. Lol

          1. When customers would order overcooked steaks I’d tell them what they were getting, and they didn’t care.

            I really don’t know what you’re trying to prove.

            1. That you’re a shitty employee and terrible with customer service?

              1. Ohhh. That would explain why I consistently had the highest sales and tips wherever I worked. Good catch.

                1. Nobody believes this.

                  BTW, I just learned about a great new sandwich called a Rueben sandwich, with corned beef, sauerkraut, Swiss cheese and thousand island, on rye bread.

                  It’s delicious! Ever heard of it?

                  1. Remind me why I care what you believe?

                    1. You dont. Thats why you get caught in so many lies like yesterday.

                    2. So that’s a no on the Rueben sandwich? You really should try one.

                    3. Personally, I like it more than a Cuban sandwich. Ever had one of those?

                    4. No, R Mac. I’ve never been to a deli in my entire life. Only heard of bread last week. Here I thought inbred meant marrying your sister. Didn’t know it could mean sandwich too. Durrrrrrrrrrr…..

                    5. But you didn’t know about Cuban sandwiches until recently. That’s why it’s funny.

                    6. You have any idea how childish you are? “He never heard of [fill in the blank]! What a loser! Ha ha!” Grow up.

                    7. Poor sarc and his Cuban sandwichless childhood.

                    8. Please, tell me more stories about my childhood! Your fascination with me is both flattering and creepy!

                      More stories!

                    9. You really are mad that you didn’t know about Cuban sandwiches.

                      Have you considered counseling for your anger?

                  2. It is the alcoholics standard self delusion.

            2. Cooks don’t interface with customers you dumb piece of shit.

              You are literally rationalizing acting like a complete asshole. This is why your daughter keys cars.

              1. I worked as both a cook and a waiter, you dumb piece of shit. Being that I was a cook first, I made an especially good waiter because I could explain the menu from a cook’s point of view. Customers liked that.

                But keep accusing me of stuff. A day on Reason isn’t complete without you dropping turds on my comments.

                1. Some menu. Krabby patties with or without.

        2. What’s your point?
          What would you do with those cuts? Try to cook them MR? Not going to work. They’ll be unevenly cooked and inedible.

          1. Do you not understand you fucking woth peoples food is you being the asshole? Or is this like the fact that everyone but 3 other leftists here think you’re an asshole yet you blame them?

            Fucking drunks are so self deluded.

            1. How is cooking a medium well steak until it’s dry and grey “fucking woth peoples food”?

              That’s what they fucking ordered, moron.

              1. A medium well steak should have just a hint of pink in the very middle of the steak with a dark brown surface and good charring on the top and bottom. The steak will be very stiff but still have a little squish in the center.

                you were/are a shitty cook

        3. What a stupid fucking stance. For medium well? I used to have people request over well done (honestly, requests to overcook!?). Just shut up and do your job you pretentious moron.

          Besides, a high quality filet is better medium than medium rare. MR is better for strips and ribeyes. Rare is for pretentious a-holes.

          BTW, this is directed at that faggot sarcasmo

          1. I don’t like filet. Totally overrated piece of meat. Much rather have sirloin. You want pretentious? Try judging people by how they order their steak. Oh, wait. You already did that.

            1. He didnt say he was fucking up peoples foods for what they ordered. That was you.

              1. Do you even know what medium well and well mean? It means grey all the way through. Cooked until the fat melts and catches fire. All the juice is gone. I’m going to save the cuts from the end for those. It’s what broiler cooks do. So again, what are you trying to prove?

            2. “You want pretentious? Try judging people by how they order their steak.”

              You literally just did this.

              1. Who said “Rare is for pretentious a-holes.”?

                I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t me.

                1. But you judged people by how they ordered their steak.

                  Did you forget that already? What have you had to drink so far today?

                  1. I said MW is overcooked. That’s a statement about the steak, not the person.

                    “Rare is for pretentious a-holes.”

                    That’s a statement about the people ordering the steak.

                    Seriously, are you stupid or a liar? I can’t tell. Think I’m going with both.

                    1. So you don’t judge people by how they order their steak?

                      Is that really where you want to go with this?

                    2. This is going somewhere?

        4. Would this statement have been uttered, had not Tony Bourdain (RIP), not mentioned it in his first book?

          OTOH, food costs are food costs, and if I can get away with using X hunk of meat with one particular customer, but not another that’s ordering their cow black and blue, then X hunk is going where I can use it. (And I meet my food costs/sales goal for the month)

          But it’s just business. When I worked food service—back of the house and front of the house + delivery—I was too busy to allow myself the luxury of feeling rage for one stupid customer versus another.

          (Except the non-tippers. Fuck those guys.)

          1. You sure that was in “A Cook’s Tour”? Pretty sure that was in “Kitchen Confidential”. Regardless, I was doing that before I read about it.

    1. It’s also yet another case of fascist micromanagement. I (and I’m sure we all) have sat in restaurants that are understaffed, whether wait staff, in the kitchen, or both. If our waiter is running themselves mad to cover too many tables, as long as they aren’t assholes and dumping food on people, I’ll tip heavier. If the waiter is attentive but the kitchen is backed up or incompetent, I’ll tip normally and let them know. Mandatory minimum for tipped workers means I have to pay the waiter who avoids eye contact because he can’t be bothered to pick up my drink that’s sitting on the bar the roughly the same as I have to pay the waitress who’s going crazy bringing a dozen tables bread because the kitchen can’t make a salad in less than 30 min.

      1. So, no Labor Theory of Value for you?

        1. I was actually thinking about how fundamentalist capitalist and opposite to socialist aims the imposition of mandatory minimum wage is. Here you have capitalists willing to pay more money directly to laborers for overt physical labor and the ‘socialists’ come in and say “No. You need to give that money to the ownership/management and let them pay those employees in a manner that ensures everyone’s got the same number of zeros on their check.”

          Yet another case where socialism is really just a pretext for control.

          1. Perhaps arbitrary (but always “higher”) minimum wages are only the first step, later to be followed by minimum hours and minimum staff numbers.

            And, to make sure that the struggling classes can afford to dine out, we will need price caps.

            What could go wrong?

          2. Socialism is for those that cant compete.
            uggos and fatties get tipped less for the same quality service. Socialist are more like to be fat uggos, so it makes sense.

      2. One thing I do that many would consider jerky is that if I see that my waiter has a table of 8 or more also among their tables, I will request a different waiter. There is just something about the dynamic of a table of 8 or more that consumes a large amount of a waitperson’s time. I find that a waiter will take more time taking care of a table like this than they would four tables of two. I also fully endorse a mandatory 20% tip for 8+ parties.

    2. I’ve noticed that in places where servers don’t get paid mostly in tips, service is often a lot less attentive. On the up side, they are less eager to get you to vacate your table after a meal.

      Which is similar to how it is in a lot of places in Europe. If you have an afternoon to kill and hang out at the cafe, the inattentive service isn’t a big deal. If you are just doing a lunch, though, it can be a pain in the ass.

      1. Places in Europe is what I’m thinking of.

      2. In Europe, the waitstaff can barely be bothered to tell you to fuck off.

      3. Depends on where you go. Found Ireland to have excellent service. And rural Romania treated me well. Try the papanași.

    3. What is funny is how absolutely insulted Europeans act when they talk about tipping customs. It is quite hilarious to me. I have watched some guys rant for minutes about it, as well as the fact that we don’t include tax on our prices.

      It gives insight into the fundamental difference between European culture, where the lord has a responsibility to care for his serfs, and US culture where we wheel and deal and are expected to support ourselves.

      All that said, I feel like we are slipping into this territory where tipping is expected as a baseline. And not just tipping but exorbitant tipping. It used to be that 20% tip was considered a very good tip. But these days a lot of receipts and stuff consider that a start. And don’t get me started on expecting a 20% tip for merely being a person behind a counter taking my order. These behaviors are being caused by the actual employers who know that if they can normalize 20% tips, they don’t have to pay as high a wage. They don’t understand that in the grand scheme of things, that doesn’t matter.

      1. Ya I am a big tipper because I appreciate the fact they make less. So I have no problem tipping for service and tipping big for great service.

        What I will not tip for is at the counter. If I placed a curbside order, or just went up to your counter, ordered, and got my food in a bag, why are you tilting a screen at me that says (15 / 20 / 25%?!). Ive had this at coffeeshop counters also. They either have the choices above or a line for tip. Im sorry you arent bringing me food, chatting me up, and spending an hour checking on me, you poured me a black coffee.

        1. I would rarely tip a Starbucks counter person, but the places where I go that are independent coffee/takeout places that I go to all the time, where I see the same personnel all the time, where I’m on a first-name basis with the counter-people because I’m a regular – I’ll tip a buck or two, generally.

          I was a bartender once, and I get that tips are their income. I also appreciate that these people will give me a better level of service, and throw me free shit that they would charge one-off customers (i.e. most of their customers). And no, I wouldn’t expect most people to tip an extra buck, it’s just something I do at places that are in my neighborhood that I always go to.

        2. you poured me a black coffee

          And the cost of your 401k was already folded into the cost of that cup.

          The only time I tip at the carry out counter is when it’s also the bar and if it’s busy, I’ll tip heavy. Pretty sure I saved a Thanksgiving once doing this. IME, the bartenders remember carryout tippers better than they do regular drinkers or the wait staff remember sitting customers. I assume because nobody tips at the bar for carry out.

          1. I tip at carry out counters locally. Most of the counter staff are local kids, so I like to reqard teenagers who went out and got jobs. They also tend to remember that I usually throw a buck or two in the tip jar, and give me extra stuff when they can. At one of the local donut places, the kids will usually give me a free half dozen if I go in near closing time because I tip well.

            1. I’d make a joke about them calling you “Homer” behind your back, but they’ve likely never heard of the Simpsons. Youth is wasted on the young.

              1. Plus the joke wouldn’t be funny.

              2. … says the guy still tipping with hard currency.

                1. You don’t? Even if I’m paying with a credit card, if I have cash I’ll tip with the cash. Why? Because servers are supposed to pay taxes on their tips. They do pay taxes on their reported tips. All credit card tips are going to be reported. Can’t get out of it. But cash? Not so much. Tipping cash gives the server an opportunity to avoid paying income tax. They can claim a percentage of their sales as tips, when in actuality they made more. You like it when people avoid taxes, right? If so, tip with cash. Your server will appreciate it.

                  1. All credit card tips are going to be reported.

                    Nope. It’s all self reported. Most servers split tips with bar and bus staff.

                    1. Depends on where you work. But I’m sure you’ll tell me I’m wrong. It’s a compulsive thing for you guys.

                    2. Depends on where you work.

                      What depends? Whether you split, or whether it’s self-reported?
                      As to the first, I am confident in my statement that most servers split tips with bar and bus staff as it is a longstanding practice. Some split with the cooks as well. As to the second, even if the restaurant requires the server to report tips when they reconcile, the amount has to be editable (self-reported) or they couldn’t include cash tips.

                      But I’m sure you’ll tell me I’m wrong.

                      Only if you are wrong. You could try not knee-jerk contradicting a knowledgeable comment with your brain diarrhea, but I won’t hold my breath. Logic is hard.

                  2. I was thinking in regard to your counter/coffee shop comment below. Coinage in change means you paid in cash.

                    1. Ah, yes. I always carry cash. Don’t like using the card for small purchases.

              3. I don’t care what they call me. It’s free donuts.

        3. I getcha about counter service. I usually just give them the coins. Unless it’s a flirty girl. She might get a buck.

          1. Sarc I must say I have not carried physical money in years. It feels weird.

            Had a nanny a little while ago and I had sold some stuff on craig’s list. I had enough to pay her for the week and asked her if she was cool with cash rather than venmo (so I could get rid of it honestly). Her answer was great:

            “I mean I guess I can use that…its sort of inconvenient though”

            We had a good laugh.

            1. I like cash. It’s nice an anonymous.

      2. I tip a minimum of 20% for good service, because I was an absolutely terrible server.
        I dont tip at all for bad service.

        1. + chat with manager/maitre’d, if I ever felt like going back to that establishment. Definitely paying with cash though. Although the two times I know I’ve gotten ripped off dining out on my CC, I tipped something like 20 percent. Yet the server still chiseled themselves another buck or two on the total. Shrug.

      3. I provide a substantial tip to each of the prostitutes I rent.

        1. Stop bragging about your tip. It’s not that substantial.

    4. Servers aren’t paid by the restaurant. Their wage barely covers the taxes on their tips. They’re paid by the customers. So if they make the customers happy, they get paid well. If they don’t, well then they don’t.

      Those who value equality of outcome will of course object to this unfair practice.

    5. My wife and I have been generous, knowing how COVID has affected servers, but if a restaurant brags their servers are paid more than minimum wage, I will henceforth decline to tip. The wages are built into the prices. I am not paying twice.

      1. I have yet to see a place that brags about paying their servers a “living wage.” But if I do I’ll probably do the same thing.

    6. On the up side, they are less eager to get you to vacate your table after a meal.

      Polite diners notice when the room is full and don’t need to be shoved out the door.

      1. “Fuck you, I’m eating.”

        1. “Excuse me sir, are you done working on that?”

  13. ROFLAO!
    There was Muhammad

    Muhammad Wali, an adult cousin

    Niamatullah, Ahmed’s brother

    Gul Ahmed, an uncle of Shakira’s husband

    Entire branches of Shakira’s family tree, from the uncles who used to tell her stories to the cousins who played with her in the caves

    Dozens of Afghan men killed. Women hardest hit.

    Reason “We totally didn’t vote for HRC but we agreed with her when she said women have always been the primary victims of war.” Magazine

    1. Hey, feeling sad is worse than getting your head blown off.

      1. Funny thing is, I’m pretty sure Shakira is truly sad that the men in her family have been gunned down and doesn’t see it as a women’s issue. If she could take a bullet to the vagina and get one or more of them back, she would. She’s a survivor, not a victim. It’s pure Western Feminist narrative that’s presenting her as the victim.

        1. Agreed. And purely a privileged western construct that hurt feelings are as bad as (or worse than) physical harm.

          1. The left long ago surpassed Catholics in their conviction that suffering is the primary purpose of human existence. Dying without properly agonizing over it first is cheating the system.

      2. I suppose it comes down to whether non-existence is preferable to existence or not.

        1. Or whether non-existence is even a valid concept.

          1. Indeed. Look at Phaedo over here.

          2. Hey if you get smoked you don’t exist any more.

            That fucking valid enough for you?

            1. I’ve seen dead people.

  14. The poll question does not specify whether it’s referring to government-imposed mask mandates or mask mandates by private businesses.

    One suspects the poll question also does not specify whether it’s referring to COVID mask mandates or Halloween mask mandates.

  15. Because the aclu is a progressive shit hole that doesn’t care about civil rights. Next you will tell me that the splc is actually a political hit group

    1. The ACLU is now just another a Democratic Super-PAC masquerading as a civil liberties organization.

  16. The “typical” mask most people wear, usually cloth or a paper “surgical” mask, offer minimal protection; and even if people were wearing NIOSH approved N 95s, they do not wear them properly. Masking as practiced is nothing but performative nonsense that conveys a false sense of confidence. In that sense they do more harm than good.

    1. Have you noticed that people lower their masks to cough and sneeze?

      The world has gone insane.

      1. Sounds sane to me. Who wants to wear a mask after you’ve blown snot all over the inside? That’s like wearing a used condom all day.

        1. Even if you don’t sneeze in it.

          1. Who sneezes into condoms?

            I must be doing something wrong.

          2. Well it’s kind of like sneezing; there’s the build up and then the explosion followed by a sense of having been depleted. Only better.

            1. I’ve heard claims that if sneezes lasted longer they would be more intensely pleasurable than orgasms. Not sure what I think, but it seems plausible.

              1. At least when I’m done sneezing I don’t suddenly never want to see the girl next to me again.

                1. did she have a penis?
                  #OBL

                  1. If that’s a deal-breaker, you’re transphobic.

  17. Half a century after the sexual revolution and the start of second-wave feminism, why are the politics of sex still so messy, fraught, and contested?

    We all need to be a victim of something or risk losing our power.

    1. Good luck if you are white, male, and/or earn enough to support yourself.

      1. This is pretty much what it boils down to:

        Women’s Studies as Virus: Institutional Feminism, Affect, and the Projection of Danger.

        This paper theorizes that one future pedagogical priority of women’s studies is to train students not only to master a body of knowledge but also to serve as symbolic “viruses” that infect, unsettle, and disrupt traditional and entrenched fields. In this essay, we first posit how the metaphor of the virus in part exemplifies an ideal feminist pedagogy, and we then investigate how both women’s studies and the spread of actual viruses (e.g., Ebola, HIV) produce similar kinds of emotional responses in others. By looking at triviality, mockery, panic, and anger that women’s studies as a field elicits, we conclude by outlining the stakes of framing women’s studies as an infectious, insurrectional, and potentially dangerous, field of study. In doing so, we frame two new priorities for women’s studies–training male students as viruses and embracing “negative” stereotypes of feminist professors as important future directions for the potentially liberatory aspects of the field.

        When you’re unironically comparing your ideology to viruses with high mortality rates, you’re pretty much admitting that your whole motivation is to destroy the society that you inhabit.

        1. Women’s Studies as Virus

          We need to fund CDC “research” to prevent the spread.

          1. Or just speed up development of sex robots.

            1. Sex robots are a technological dead end, because they will inevitably be greatly surpassed by sex virtual reality.

          2. I thought “the spread” was the goal.

            1. You’re assuming I want to actually prevent the spread of Women’s Studies rather than just pay the CDC to punish renters and gun ow… I mean women.

              1. Oh no I was making an immature pun about fucking

                1. If you ruck a women’s studies major, you will be expelled for rape and her senior thesis will involve her walking around campus with a mattress strapped to her back.

        2. As well as providing a tidy metaphor for your extermination.

        3. training male students as viruses

          Those words make no sense in that order. That, of course, was the point.

      2. seriously thinking I need to change my pronouns away from he/him else I won’t ever be promoted at work.

        I should use an x in there somewhere to make them unpronouncable, and never tell anyone HOW to pronounce the X, too. Just to get an edge.

    2. “messy, fraught, and contested”

      Isn’t that just sex?

  18. he was killed by a buzzbuzzak, a drone

    I hope “buzzbuzzak” becomes a thing around here.

    1. A word for posters who drone on?

    2. “Ahmed’s brother: He was harvesting opium when a firefight broke out nearby; as he tried to flee, he was gunned down by a buzzbuzzak.”

      And this:

      “There was Muhammad, a fifteen-year-old cousin: he was killed by a buzzbuzzak, a drone, while riding his motorcycle through the village with …

  19. How San Francisco’s restrictions on chain stores may violate the First Amendment.

    Pretty sure San Fran is a Constitution-free zone.

  20. RE the opening stock photo:

    Is that person frustrated with masks, lost in the subway station, or being arrested in Hong Kong?

  21. This movement to hold platforms accountable for their users’ activities is possibly the biggest single assault on free expression in American history, and it would be naive to assume it will remain limited to attacking pornography and prostitution…

    Anti-censorship is fine as long as we all stay in the Overton window.

    1. Perfect distillation of the TeenReason philosophy on speech.

    2. Welcome to Camp Overton. Arbeit macht frei.

  22. Why the American Civil Liberties Union flip-flopped on vaccine mandates.

    Ha, yeah, it’s a real mystery.

    1. Yep. Next question – why does the sun rise in the east?

  23. Mexico’s Supreme Court has ruled the country’s ban on abortion unconstitutional.

    They better reinforce their norther border. I hear there’s going to be a rush of Texas women desperate to prematurely expel their potential offspring.

    1. More good paying jobs moving to Mexico. God damn Trump and his new NAFTA. That’s why I voted Perot.

    2. Ever notice how constitutions other than of the USA or its states tend to be loaded with vague language, and how rulings in those countries striking down statutes and edicts amount to judges saying, “This is a bad law”? I couldn’t find any analysis of the ruling at the linked article, but I have a feeling that, as pulled-out-of-the-ass as Roe was, this would be even more arbitrary. And I’m pro-abortion.

      1. Pro-abortion for all people, or just the jews?
        #misek

    3. It looks like they banned criminalization of abortions that happen at 12 weeks or earlier. The official verdict will be known when it is published.

      1. Anything you know of on legal analysis of how & why they ruled?

  24. In Russia, at least 10 publications and 20 journalists have been targeted by the government since April.

    They just need to toe the state line like journalists here in America.

    1. Brave people, considering the examples of Politikovskaya and Litvinenko. Putin and the rest of his mob, have never been shy about silencing exceptionally annoying critics of the regime.

      1. They were putin their place.

    2. In Soviet Russia, line toes you.

  25. I can understand that after “two weeks to flatten the curve” people would be getting tired of the Covid restrictions, what I don’t understand is why “two weeks to flatten the curve” hasn’t opened their eyes to how much government lies about shit all the time, how little you should trust them, why everything they do is such a massive, expensive failure.

    1. See: Eminem “Love the Way You Lie”.

    2. Because many of them knew that “two weeks to flatten the curve” was bullshit but were fully on board with the top-down government control.

      1. This. The majority of Americans LIKE authoritarianism.

        1. Or give me what I want and fuck those who won’t.

  26. NIH decides now is the time to start studying possible side effects of vaccines one women that have been reported for months.

    https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/nih-to-study-how-covid-19-vaccine-impacts-menstrual-cycle

    1. If it shows to effect reproductive health expect them to be in a show trial where they recant their conclusion

      1. IDK, given Reason’s coverage of the TX abortion ban it would seem that women’s reproductive rights trump all else. If the lever isn’t long enough or the fulcrum strong enough, they’ll make it longer and stronger.

        1. Only because American abortioning reduces black population numbers so effectively.

          1. The ole “I can’t be racist because I care SO MUCH about blacks getting aborted.”

            1. He didn’t say he wasn’t a racist but most likely, in true racist fashion, he opposes all abortion equally, regardless of race.

            2. Is that why you like abortion so much KAR? Extending your hate franchise from Mormons and Jews to Blacks?

    2. And i guaran-fucking-tee that the outcome is pre-determined: either “No evidence was found” or “data was inconclusive.”

      The LAST fucking thing that a government office headed by Fauci wants to admit is that these shots are having adverse effects that go beyond a couple of days of lying in bed from a fever. The findings of these studies are dependent on the views of who’s funding them, not actual science.

  27. NYT goes from inflation isnt happening, to it is transitory, and settles on inflation is a good thing

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/business/economy/inflation-coronavirus-economy.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

    1. It’s a good thing for the people who are getting access to all the free money being created, that’s for sure.

      The rest of us pay for it.

  28. “All had their downsides for rural Afghan women and families—with American and allied troops perhaps causing the most damage. At times, American authorities deputized and supported the very local forces that had been terrorizing them. The murder of civilians—Shakira’s family members—were common:”

    This is an inescapable aspect of fighting an insurgency as a foreign occupier. The support of the occupier goes to whomever is willing to fight against the insurgency. This is by necessity and one of the reasons why it’s so hard to create a legitimate government under the thumb of an occupation army.

    Leo Strauss was a big proponent of Plato’s noble lie, and neoconservatism reflects this. Strauss was even explicit about how people need to believe that their territory is rightfully theirs–even though they probably stole it from someone else. We’re talking about the basics of legitimacy here.

    The neoconservatives take this idea and apply, not just to the people they want to conquer, but use it to justify wars of liberation to the American people, too. All our wars seem to have been wars of liberation in the minds of the American people at the time–and if some of them really were wars of liberation, that’s beside the point.

    We “liberated” the people of the American west from tribes of Native Americans. We “liberated” the people of Texas in the Mexican-American War. We “liberated” the people of the Philippines in the Philippine–American War. We “liberated” the people of south Vietnam. We “liberated” the people of Iraq. We “liberated” the people of Afghanistan. We were liberating them all–in the minds of the American people.

    Sometimes, when the people in these countries are so beaten down by our military during a war, they actually buy into our noble lies. Adenauer, Germany’s first chancellor after World War II, said something to the effect that Germany was liberated rather than defeated in World War II, and the German people seem to have internalized that narrative. However, the fire bombing and the armies and the destruction, etc. would have been the same if the intention were to destroy Germany rather than liberate it.

    People need to believe certain things if they’re to support government policies like a foreign occupation, and plenty of them will support anything–no matter how foolish or destructive-if they believe those things are true. It’s part of our job as rational libertarians to debunk the “noble” lies, but the point isn’t to replace neocon’s noble lies with our own. It’s just about using facts, logic, and critical thinking to insulate people from this kind of manipulation.

    If you’re an occupation army and the only people in a particular area that are willing to help you put down the insurgency are heroin traffickers, kidnappers, child molesters, and oppressive warlords, then that’s who you need to ally yourself with to run that area as part of the official government. The fact is that doing so undermines the legitimacy of the government you’re imposing, and the fact is that the Taliban is enjoying a tremendous amount of legitimacy for having hanged those criminal warlords by their necks in public squares all over Afghanistan.

    Progressives and neocons use “noble” lies because if we knew and understood the facts, we wouldn’t support progressives and neocons, and if we someday go back into Afghanistan to liberate its women and its people, the same facts will still apply for the same reasons. For instance, when we’re an occupation army, we can only use the support of the people who will support us. And if the only people who will support us are only supporting us because the Taliban wouldn’t let them get away with murder, then we’ll be trying to build a legitimate government on that foundation.

    And all the good intentions in the world and all the best noble lies won’t change the facts one bit.

    1. Adenauer, Germany’s first chancellor after World War II, said something to the effect that Germany was liberated rather than defeated in World War II, and the German people seem to have internalized that narrative.

      But that makes sense, doesn’t it? “You’re liberating us from the people who brought your wrath down on us.” Protection rackets do work, and sometimes people forget who they’re protecting them from, or why.

  29. The 5 people Obama swapped for deserter Bergdahl are now some of the prominent leaders if Afghanistan new government.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/taliban-five-guantanamo-bay-to-new-afghan-government

    1. In other news, democrats love federal powers regardless of the US Constitution.

  30. Nat Hentoff called it nearly 30 years ago when he criticized the ACLU for backing off their defense of the Skokie Nazis because it cost them too many supporters and too many donations – push come to shove, the primary purpose of the ACLU is to preserve and protect the financial health of the ACLU. None of their “bedrock principles” are actually bedrock principles, there are no hills upon which they’re willing to die. And this is true of pretty much all organizations. Given a choice between compromising their principles or losing support, they’ll compromise their principles every time.

    1. “Given a choice between compromising their principles or losing support, they’ll compromise their principles every time.”

      Playing off of that, Pournelle’s Law stated that, over time, within an organization people who perpetuate and grow the organization, supplant people who try to carry out the initial purposes of the organization. https://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html

    2. Aren’t people willing to die on a hill of money? Seems to happen a lot.

  31. Bidens WH and State Department has been making the rounds this week about how they are assisting efforts of private individuals to get Americans or green card holders out of Afghanistan. Turns out it is all a lie. Multuple emails show the State Department turning away private flights.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/veteran-who-helped-rescue-americans-out-of-afghanistan-biden-admin-stopped-our-evacuation-flights

    1. What difference, at this point, does it make?

      1. It’s been four days, five days!

  32. It has been over a year, and mask mandates have been shown to fail in California.

    Each are independent reasons.

  33. Its very easy to get liberals to admit masks are bullshit. Take the most ardent maskers. Go out to dinner with them. Pretty much every restaurant is doing the exact same BS: walk to hostess stand with mask, pretend we all care about it, then get seated a few feet away from another couple that is eating, talking, drinking, breathing…and masks come off.

    The most uber liberals (looking at you Newsom) all take them off when it becomes inconvenient. If they really thought they needed them, no way in hell they would have them off a few feet away from strangers, indoors. They are hypocrites, playing “I care so much!” theater.

    1. Why do you think Newsom puts he’s mask on to begin with?

  34. If the Atlantis asks a question, you can guarantee the answer will be mind-numbingly stupid

  35. A devastating look at how the U.S. “helped” out women in Afghanistan..
    When Russia left were Afganies clamoring to get on board their planes to get out. it is the old border metric how many are trying to get in vs get out. Looks like enough wanted us to stay or to take them with us

  36. “The poll question does not specify whether it’s referring to government-imposed mask mandates or mask mandates by private businesses.”

    As such, this poll is totally useless, and should never have been cited (let alone highlighted) by ENB.

    Real libertarians would endorse mask (and vaccine) mandates that are established by employers and private businesses, while opposing those imposed by government (on private businesses and employers).

    Even the self proclaimed libertarians at Fox News (Kennedy, Pavlich, Gutfeld) have conflated federal, state and local government imposed vaccine mandates (with those imposed by employers and private businesses) by failing to differentiate between them.

    1. I stopped watching Kennedy a few weeks ago when she blamed more government authoritarianism on people that weren’t following orders.

    2. Real libertarians would endorse mask (and vaccine) mandates that are established by employers and private businesses,

      Endorse? I’ll go for tolerate. Maybe.

  37. “Half a century after the sexual revolution and the start of second-wave feminism, why are the politics of sex still so messy, fraught, and contested?” asks The Atlantic.

    If you give a mouse a cookie…

  38. “This movement to hold platforms accountable for their users’ activities is possibly the biggest single assault on free expression in American history, and it would be naive to assume it will remain limited to attacking pornography and prostitution,” writes Jerry Barnett at Quillette.

    And yet the very reason platforms curate their content is for fear of being held accountable for the speech of their users, so I would suggest it is the platforms themselves that are complicit in this assault on free expression.

    For my part, I would support passing a law explicitly granting platforms an exemption from being held liable for the speech of their users so that they would be free to publish all opinions without fear of being held liable. Of course, I realize that some platforms might prefer to curate their content rather than throw it open to all comers, but in the event that a platform picks and chooses which speech it will allow, this law would not apply to them because by filtering the speech it allows, it is actually endorsing some speech and restraining other speech and it would be silly to think this qualifies as supporting free speech.

    1. ^^ motherfucking this^^

  39. Another blast from the “Fauci dun it” collection:

    Dr. Anthony Fauci’s NIAID and its parent, the NIH, funded Gain-of-Function research in Wuhan, China. Recall that Fauci called Paul a ‘liar’ for accusing him of funding the risky research, in which viruses are genetically modified or otherwise altered to make them more transmissible to humans.

    Why has the elimination/control of this sort of research become a done thing? They have acknowledged the risks of GoF research in previous years, those risks have come to pass, the research yielded none of the promised benefits (helping to understand the new possible viruses before events happened).

    One would think the simplest thing to do would be call for some worldwide moratorium on GoF research, and [because militaries would continue research for weapons use] declare the release of any GoF pathogen to be a war crime, on the level of mass destruction weapons. Absolutely lower the boom on this sort of risk, as much as geopolitically possible.

    Won’t help with this pandemic or the viral stupidity associated with the responses, but pushing it underground would at least slow the development, and perhaps lead to increased safeguards. But instead, I see Shi Zhengli still on the news, talking as if she is still manipulating the same viruses, warning of dire mutations that she sees becoming possible.

    What constituency could possibly be against such a declaration? All I can see is Fauci-related face-saving, and the Dems [and others] have never been slow to turn on one of their own, when convenient. I can’t see who is supporting this sham of “no one is to blame”, but even all of China doesn’t have that much influence in American/World politics. What gives?

    1. “What constituency could possibly be against such a declaration?”

      The constituency that has gained profit and power from the current pandemic. Which also happens to be the same people that would have to make the declaration.

    2. even all of China doesn’t have that much influence in American/World politics

      If I ignore all the evidence that causes me to raise the question in the first place, I can’t make sense of my argument! What gives?

      Check your premise. Here’s a hint: When you say ‘China’ do you mean the Chinese Uighyrs and poor farmers all over China or do you mean the socialist ideologues in power? If the latter, what makes your average American socialist ideologue sympathetic to China less Chinese than a poor Han farmer, much less a Uighyr or Tibetan or Taiwanese Chinese citizen?

  40. >>”Half a century after the sexual revolution and the start of second-wave feminism, why are the politics of sex still so messy, fraught, and contested?”

    turns out fish need bicycles.

    1. Turns out those fences did have a purpose after sll.

    2. And most women (whatever they may say) do not buy into feminism beyond the idea of basic legal equality and less sexual harassment.

      1. it was all marketing.

      2. I love that quaint, out of date bumper sticker, too.

  41. Another woman at the protest said the Taliban had “proved that they cannot change,” adding: “We are asking the international community, especially those who during the last 20 years tried to provide women with their rights, where are those defenders of women rights today?”

    Oh that’s an easy one lady. Afghanistan was once filled with secularists, socialists, communists and feminists. Then along came Reagan and the fight against the dreaded concept that we should more equitably distribute money and resources. Those guys along with Afghanistan’s endemic population of right-wing radical nutcases managed to kill off all the bad commies and feminists. It sure would be nice if some of those militants left-wingers were still around to blow these Taliban motherfuckers heads off. Too bad. Blowback is a bitch.

    1. Nothing says ‘freeing women’ like ‘compulsory state education’.

    2. “…It sure would be nice if some of those militants left-wingers were still around to blow these Taliban motherfuckers heads off. Too bad. Blowback is a bitch.”

      Commie shits are far better at murdering innocents than any other group in the history of the world.
      Stuff it up your ass, commie shit.

      1. Stalin was an ardent feminist. He didn’t erase a single woman from photographs of himself in the company of high-ranking communist officials.

    3. Oh that’s an easy one lady. Afghanistan was once filled with secularists, socialists, communists and feminists.

      Woof, the revisionist history here is almost as bad as the cope on your boy getting made the Taliban’s bitch.

    4. kill off all the bad commies and feminists.

      That’s what turned them into good commies and feminists.

  42. Johns Hopkins University data shows that “the number of Covid-19 patients in hospitals across the US this Labor Day weekend was nearly 300% higher than this time last year,” reports The Guardian. And “the average number of deaths was over 86% higher than the same period last year.”

    So we were doing 300% better without the vaccine?

    And the death rate was 86% lower without the vaccine?

    How about that. Looks like the anti-vaxxers were right.

    1. We’re doing better now thanks to Biden.

  43. But not all sorts of government spying have become less popular. Slightly more people now than a decade ago support the installation of surveillance cameras in public places

    That’s probably a reaction to rising crime rates. Get the crime under control, and your “higher trust” societal disposition will return.

  44. “Half a century after the sexual revolution and the start of second-wave feminism, why are the politics of sex still so messy, fraught, and contested?” asks The Atlantic.

    I would recommend the writers at The Atlantic read Helen Pluckrose’s book, Cynical Theories.

  45. The A.P.-NORC poll pdf would have been a bit easier to digest if the data had been presented in graphic format, or at least always in the same time order (top to bottom or left to right).

    But it seems that we’re becoming less accepting of government meddling. Still too many like the idea, but more are wising up, for whatever reason.

  46. Why the American Civil Liberties Union flip-flopped on vaccine mandates.

    Quick, obvious answer from the article: “an organization that was often willing to take unpopular stances in the name of liberty has abandoned its roots to fall in line with progressivism”.

    Which anyone who has watched the ACLU’s embarrassing retreat from the defense of free speech in the last few years already knew.

    1. The ACLU went from defending the Klan’s access to public discourse (their right to march), to advocating against the Klan’s right to public discourse. Flip-flopping on anything that offends their Progressive supporters seems to be their thing these days.

  47. The trial for the 2015 massacres in Paris is beginning today. A haunting video of the recollections of people who survived Bataclan.

  48. https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1435670066742374404?s=19

    “NEC Director Brian Deese on rising grocery prices: “If you take out those three categories [beef, pork, and poultry], we’ve actually seen prices increases that are more in line with historical norms.”

    1. The wheat harvest is predicted to be the worst in 35+ years, the same with canola.

      1. It’s a good thing I saved the 16 cents back in July.

      2. My kids looked at me like I was crazy last year for buying a TON of extra food, including a grain mill and a bunch of varieties of wheat berries. After the initial lockdowns, I bought 1/4 cow, 1/2 a pig, laying hens, and went in with my brother on meat birds that he raises on his property. Since last summer, I’ve been buying just a little bit extra of non-perishables for the pantry.

        I don’t think it’ll be a famine, but the goal was to stay the hell out of the grocery store when things got short again…

        1. Yeah, there won’t be a famine, but people’s food bills are going to be absolutely crazy for the next five years.
          A lot less steak and a lot more instant ramen.

  49. https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1435686649099325445?s=19

    “Tomorrow, Biden will announce a six-pronged plan to get COVID under control.

    CBS’ @weijia asks whether any of these steps will affect people’s “day-to-day lives.”

    WH @PressSec Jen Psaki, smiling: “It depends on if you’re vaccinated or not.”

  50. When we started this Chinese flu bullshit, people’s trust, faith, and confidence in government, law enforcement, the judiciary, and the media at ANY level was pretty low. Now would say overall that the people’s trust, faith, and confidence is near zero. “They” have shown us this entire exercise has been only for political power. People are walking away and ignoring this bullshit. Not only that, 1,200,000 Americans die every year from heart disease and cancer, but we don’t fuck up our country trying to stop these diseases and the spread of heart disease and cancer. Masks are about as useful against heart disease and cancer as they are against the Chinese flu.

    1. You must live in a bubble. The majority of Americans are more madly in love with big government than ever, and thrilled to obey and to hate those who won’t.

      1. Exactly. It makes them feel all warm-fuzzy when the government makes those nasty people wear masks.

    2. Being a fatty takes no work at all. And if the fatty dies from complications from being a fatty, they have nobody to blame but themselves. But COVID allows folks to go full on Karen and root for totalitarianism against others.

  51. ENB saying “heartbreaking” feels about as genuine as a Justin Trudeau drama enactment.

  52. These abortion restrictions are gonna come back to bite the Republicans in the ass. Who do they think does them the most? Primarily Democratic-voting demographics. The American Indian vote of South Dakota keeps getting bigger election after election, and that of Arizona helped flip it blue last time around. Texas, apparently, is keen on accelerating its march towards a blue state as well.

    1. Blacks and Hispanics are far more pro-life than any other group. The only people who really love uncontrolled abortion are the rich, white, urban lefties who run the Democratic party.

      1. Public opinion is one thing, and actual lifestyle is another. When it comes to actual abortion, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are overrepresented among those who seek and do them — the same demographics who give reliable Democratic majorities in their vote. Just look up “abortion by race”. Those are the statistics that matter, not whether they believe abortion is right or wrong, in public policy or otherwise.

        And yes, in terms of VIEWS on abortion, White, well-to-do liberals tend to be the most, well, liberal on the issue. But they don’t actually perform them nearly as much as non-Whites do.

        Hey, listen, according to Charles Murray’s “Coming Apart”, upper- and upper-middle-class liberals are actually pretty conservative in their lifestyles (in terms of marriage stability, emphasis on education, law-abidingness, children out of wedlock, etc.), even though they preach looser societal attitudes on these things.

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