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Federal Regulations Keep COVID Patients in the Dark About Which Variant They Have

Plus: Airbnb will host 20,000 Afghan refugees, court rejects Nunes lawsuit against Liz Mair, and more..

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It should be relatively easy for coronavirus patients who want to know what variant of COVID-19 they've been infected with to obtain that information. After all, at least 50 public laboratories in the U.S. are capable of testing COVID-19 samples to detect virus variants. But onerous federal regulations keep this health information out of reach.

"The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Service (CMS), which oversees the regulatory process for US labs, requires genome-sequencing tests to be federally approved before their results can be disclosed to doctors or patients," notes Insider. "These are the tests that pick up on variants, but right now, there's little incentive for the labs to do the work to validate those tests."

That's because doing so is illegal without federal approval, and getting that approval is an involved, expensive, and uncertain procedure. It requires completing a validation process that would have to be newly undertaken for each new variant a lab wanted to test for. 

"The process of validating a next-generation sequencing test is burdensome," Kelly Wroblewski, the Association of Public Health Laboratories' director of infectious diseases, told Insider. "It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of data. It takes a lot of resources. And the thing about the variants is that variants of concern and of interest are constantly changing, so you would have to do a whole validation every time you have a variant."

As a result, patients and the public are left with less information about the virus' spread—information that could be useful for preventing future infections and outbreaks. For instance, someone infected with the delta variant has more cause to alert vaccinated people they've been in contact with than does someone infected with the original strain. And knowing which variants are spreading in a given community, or spreading most quickly, could also provide key information (things like new variants gaining ground, higher transmissibility potential, if some variants seem more prevalent in certain populations, etc.) and early warning signs as we deal with this virus' mutations going forward.

Genetic sequencing of COVID-19 tests was approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in June 2020. (The FDA, CMS, and the Federal Trade Commission all have a say in genetic testing regulation.) And epidemiologists are allowed to disclose variant status in certain situations, for certain purposes. From Insider:

"The letter of the law from CMS is that if you don't go through this full validation process, you cannot release the results with patient identifying information," Wroblewki said. One major exception, she noted, is if epidemiologists need to disclose a person's variant information over the course of contact tracing.

But under the current regulatory regime, patients—and therefore their communities and the public at large—are left in the dark.

PBS warned way back in February about the problems this can create:

Federal rules around who can be told about the variant cases are so confusing that public health officials may merely know the county where a case has emerged but can't do the kind of investigation and deliver the notifications needed to slow the spread, according to Janet Hamilton, executive director of the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists.

"It could be associated with a person in a high-risk congregate setting or it might not be, but without patient information, we don't know what we don't know," Hamilton said. The group has asked federal officials to waive the rules. "Time is ticking."

The problem is that the tests in question for detecting variants have not been approved as a diagnostic tool either by the Food and Drug Administration or under federal rules governing university labs ― meaning that the testing being used right now for genomic sequencing is being done as high-level lab research with no communication back to patients and their doctors. …

Officials representing public health labs and epidemiologists have warned the federal government that limiting information about the variants ― in accordance with arcane regulations governing clinical labs ― could hamper efforts to investigate pressing questions about the variants.

The Association of Public Health Laboratories and the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists earlier this month jointly pressed federal officials to "urgently" relax certain rules that apply to clinical labs.


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Judge rejects Rep. Devin Nunes' (R–Calif.) lawsuit over Liz Mair's tweets:

More from Reason on the Nunes lawsuits here and here. More on the new ruling here.


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Airbnb will subsidize housing for 20,000 Afghan refugees. CEO Brian Chesky "did not say how long refugees would be housed, or how long the company would fund their stays," CNN Business reports. But in a series of tweets early this morning, Chesky announced that the program would begin today. "The displacement and resettlement of Afghan refugees in the US and elsewhere is one of the biggest humanitarian crises of our time. We feel a responsibility to step up," he added. "If you're willing to host a refugee family, reach out and I'll connect you with the right people here to make it happen!"


QUICK HITS

• The U.S. evacuated 10,400 people from Kabul in a 24-hour period spanning parts of August 22 and 23, the White House announced yesterday. It has evacuated a total of 37,000 people since August 14.

• The FDA on Monday officially approved the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, prompting President Joe Biden to quickly push for more vaccine mandates.

• New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is mandating vaccines for all public school teachers and staff. "Hours after Mr. de Blasio's announcement, Gov. Philip D. Murphy of New Jersey said that all workers at public, private and parochial schools in the state would have to be fully inoculated against the virus by Oct. 18 or be subject to testing at least once a week," The New York Times reports. "The rules also apply to all state employees and to substitute teachers, who are already in short supply, he said."

• North Carolina must restore voting rights to people on probation or parole after felony convictions, a court ruled Monday. "If Monday's ruling survives on appeal, North Carolina will be the only state in the South to automatically restore voting rights to people after they leave prison," notes Raleigh's News & Observer.

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  1. These are the tests that pick up on variants, but right now, there’s little incentive for the labs to do the work to validate those tests.

    IT’S DELTA… unless the narrative requires it to be something else.

    1. And yet the NYT wonders why people are hesitant to believe officials who insist that they are very certain that giving up THIS freedom is the one trick to solve all your COVID problems.

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    3. It’s likely that the error rate for the sequencing is low enough for aggregate data, but too high for individual reporting.

      It’s also not actionable.

      So this is a really stupid thing to choose as the top headline.

      1. You are calling ENB’s headline choice stupid based on pure speculation on your part about testing error rates?

        1. Congrats to Bubba Jones, you got me and Dee to agree!

        2. The more important point is that it’s not actionable. Meaning, it would not change how you treat a patient if you knew whether they were infected with Delta vs some other variant.

          I happen to work in one of the “50” (not sure where they got that number from) labs that are capable of variant-level diagnosis. We’re currently not offering this test for the reasons mentioned in the article, and the reasons Bubba mentions. But, if evidence emerges that a particular treatment worked better (or worse) for Delta vs other variants, I think that would change on a dime. It would be pretty easy for diagnostic companies to shame the FDA into fast-tracking approval for this, if it was shown to make a difference in patient outcomes.

          1. Sure it’s actionable. The FDA could allow the tests to report the COVID variant, with a confidence level.

            1. Exactly. Actionable in what way? Because right now the lack of transparency is being used for more authoritarianism.

    4. The CDC had done that with H1N1. Assigned all flu-related deaths to that.

    5. Could blocking the sharing of this information be a violation of the first amendment? I think an argument is at least worth having.

    6. They’ve got the entire Greek alphabet to go through so this is going to be a long scam.

      1. Once they reach omega, they can switch to emojis.

        “My grandmother just died from COVID :),” coming to facebook soon.

        1. 🙂

          Another bad joke ruined by correct grammar.

          1. Nope. Eggplant emoji doesn’t post.

            1. Sarc hasn’t been posting yet today either.

    7. COVID-22 is going to be the worst. Try to keep up.

  2. Airbnb will subsidize housing for 20,000 Afghan refugees.

    Uh-oh. Double NIMBY!

    1. I wouldn’t want any more in my back yard either, if our experience will be consistent with those of European communities dealing with Afghan refugees, as detailed in this 2017 National Interest article: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506

      Tl;dr: Do-gooder reluctantly admits that, for whatever reason, specifically Afghan MAMs love them some sexual violence, don’t play well with others, and have little interest as a whole in assimilating. This should be fun for us.

      1. Alternatively, if this new batch is going to be like the resettlement of Vietnamese Boat People here, version 2, think of these guys as acting like the Hmong, only even more of a giant PITA.

        1. Yeah but that gymnast!

        2. My personal observation has been that, individually, refugees can assimilate very well. While communities of refugees reinforce the same tribal behaviors that make the places they are fleeing into crime ravaged shitholes.

          These particular refugees are fleeing a country that remains mired in tribal and religious conflicts that stretch back over a 1000 years. They had 20 years of US presence and a population of 32 million from which they couldn’t muster a coalition to hold off a Taliban insurgency of 180,000 fighters. The US government is giving priority to those who worked with diplomatic services, intelligence agencies, military, and military contractors. Are those guys typically the best and the brightest, or are they sycophants and grifters?

          1. Probably a bit of both.

          2. While communities of refugees reinforce the same tribal behaviors that make the places they are fleeing into crime ravaged shitholes.

            Not unlike Irish and Italian ghettos in the mid-late 1800s/early 20th century.

            The US government is giving priority to those who worked with diplomatic services, intelligence agencies, military, and military contractors.

            HIGHLY optimistic there. The reality is that they’re probably letting anyone on who manages to get past the Taliban, or “get past,” depending on their ultimate intent.

            1. LOL! I really appreciate the other commenters that understand the well documented realities of transporting persecuted people who have spent their entire life in a region consumed by centuries of tribal and religious conflicts into the middle of a now 250 year-old experiment in liberty that has expanded to 330 million subjects.

              Not unlike Irish and Italian ghettos in the mid-late 1800s/early 20th century.

              Exactly! This is not about ‘my immigrants were better than your immigrants’. The 19th century Irish were a persecuted people who had spent their entire lives in a region consumed by centuries of tribal and religious conflicts.

              From the history of my own family I know that many, if not most, Irish immigrants lacked a basic understanding of the proper way to behave in a free society. Petty thievery and grift was how they survived the Old Country and it was seen as perfectly acceptable for generations. They migrated West, passing down their lack of work ethic and continued as migrant labor when they lost Oklahoma to the Dust Bowl. They popped out 6-8 kids who worked in the fields and orchards before and after school, hated religion, hated Blacks and Chinese they competed with for jobs and resented the government even while they conspired to stay on the dole after the Depression and through the war.

              My dad was born in 1943. He never knew his father who was supposedly a sailor on the USS Tennessee, which I have confirmed was in port 9 months before he was born in Seattle, but have not been able to match a name. He hated his grandfather who called him a bastard and the step-father that beat him. My grandmother finally broke the cycle of migration when she married a logger and settled in rural WA in 50’s. Dad broke the cycle of poverty when he joined the Navy as soon as he was eligible and never looked back. He told me after his mom died that he did feel bad that she was going to Hell.

              Refugees have a lot more than trauma to overcome before they can integrate into American society. It may take 5 or 6 generations.

        3. Seriously though, our Albanians and Serbs were just starting to transition to normal people and now we’re getting these folks.

    2. That’s the beauty of hosting refugees at your AirBnB houses.
      You can do go good and have it be in someone else’s backyard.
      The neighbors may even appreciate the refugees living there long-term, instead of the usual weekend partiers with their noisy suitcase wheels coming and going.

  3. “Airbnb will subsidize housing for 20,000 Afghan refugees.”

    More Afghans in the US means more cost-effective foreign-born labor for billionaire employers like Reason.com’s benefactor Charles Koch.

    #ImmigrationAboveAll

    1. Hopefully all in Delaware.

    2. Should probably just let them be beheaded so they don’t take arrr jawbbss.

      1. Still bitter that you’re too impotent to save your friends I see.

          1. Not an issue here DOL. You can ask your mom if you don’t believe me.

      2. Why? Did they commit blood libel?

        1. No, that’s you and your cult. Over and over, you are hoodwinked by the same old rehashed myth. Change a few nouns around, and blam, whole new conspiracy to charge up the grievance machine.

      3. I have seen this movie. The 14 year-old kid who hangs out on the edge of the camp, sells bootleg DVDs to the GIs while providing info on the locals, loves LeBron James, and just wants a better future for his little sister, he always dies before the end.

        The guy that lives is the one that facilitates black market transactions for ‘lost’ US military ordinance which he resells, along with a few orphan girls, to the Taliban, convinces his brother’s wife and daughter to flee the country with him while muling heroin, and shows up at the airport in a burqua with a suitcase full of cash.

  4. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/time-has-come-enough-enough-fauci-dismisses-freedom-call-vaccine-mandates

    Fauci declared that “There was some poll that showed about 30% of people who are not anti-vax, they were just waiting to get what they felt was the real final stamp of approval, which we just got today with the Pfizer product.”

    He continued, “And those 30% are saying when that occurs, they will feel very, very comfortable about getting vaccinated. So right away, you’re talking about 30%. I hope they come through with what the survey said.”

    Fauci added “They’re going to give a lot of incentive and backing for a lot of institutions and organizations and places of employment to mandate, and that could be colleges, university, the military, organizations that employ a lot of people, some of the big corporations are going to say if you want to work for us in person, you’ve got to be there and get vaccinated.”

    Fauci then dismissed freedom as an after thought, noting “I know I respect people’s freedom, but when you’re talking about a public health crisis that we’ve been going through for well over a year and a half, the time has come. Enough is enough. We’ve just got to get people vaccinated.”

    “If we keep lingering without getting those people vaccinated that should be vaccinated, this thing could linger on, leading to the development of another variant which could complicate things.” Fauci further proclaimed.

    1. Hint, if you have been going through it “for well over a year and a half” it is either no longer a crisis, or you are incompetent.

    2. Fauci must answer for his crimes.

      1. ‘But will he though?’ Yeah.

    3. There are plenty of left libertarians here that agree we should trade freedom for the appearance of freedom. This is jusy social conditioning by the government to accept their demands at this point. The left has been open of trying to switch this to climate change once covid panic ends.

      1. “we should trade freedom for the appearance of freedom.”

        The whole marijuana ‘legalization’ regime has been a prime example of this. Not to say that we were free before, only to note that all that has been accomplished is to exchange onerous and offensive restriction for – at best – an appearance of freedom and slightly modified onerous and offensive restrictions.

        1. Oh please. You no longer get arrested for possessing a plant, that is massive progress and definitely better than the old system. The difference between sitting at home and sitting in jail is hardly a “slight modification”.

          Still plenty of room to improve, that is true, but paying taxes and being sent to prison are not the same degree of infringement on liberty.

          1. ^. Especially in states like Michigan where we can grow our own.

          2. Oh please. You no longer get arrested for possessing a plant, that is massive progress and definitely better than the old system.

            There’s a lot to unpack in this statement. Yes, legalizing marijuana is a significant improvement. However, you can still be arrested for possessing said plant if you run afoul of the “liberalized” and often byzantine regulatory systems that are in place.

            I recommend you watch an interesting documentary called “Murder Mountain”. The primary thrust is about how many people mysteriously disappear with the focus on one case in particular. But the secondary topic is how legalization wiped out more marijuana growers than decades of DEA and state enforcement ever could.

      2. The ‘libertarian’ in that case would be an affectation rather than a factual description, given the pointed disinterest in civil liberties. Which is fine, but it’s best to be honest about what one believes.

        1. Honesty is not their strong point.

    4. If you’re at the point where you have to say “I know I respect people’s freedom”, you don’t respect people’s freedom.

      “If we keep lingering without getting those people vaccinated that should be vaccinated, this thing could linger on, leading to the development of another variant which could complicate things.” Fauci further proclaimed.

      Because there’s no animal reservoir where this virus could mutate.

      1. This is more or less what he’s been saying for months, the qualifier changing the first clause is the rule with Fauci.

      2. Camels and MERS are an interesting example.

      3. Plus so far all the variants have come from overseas.

        1. There was a California variant for a few weeks. Seems to have disappeared.

      4. the dickhead talks like we’ve ever stopped a virus.

        1. Well, we have. Like three times ever. With viruses that are very different from Coronavirus.

    5. “…“I know I respect people’s freedom, but…”

      See that “but”? No, you don’t.
      Fuck off and die.

      1. I respect your freedom to wear a custom artwork facemask as long as there is nothing critical about the government in said artwork.

    6. He’s basically admitting here that this didn’t have anything to do with science, it was a completely political decision to try and convince more people to take the jab.

      Keep in mind, this formal approval DOES NOT cover children under 16–because they’ve only been testing on them since March. It’s basically just a re-wording of the EUA from “emergency use authorization” to “fully approved” without any real reasons cited for it.

      I”ll add one final thing here–we’ve seen the government lie about spying on our allies and American citizens. In the past year, we’ve seen Fauci change the story on mask-wearing when it was convenient, the CDC say that vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks, then come back and said everyone needs to wear masks even if they got the jab. They’re not even acknowledging the giant spike in reporting on these things in VAERS. And now Biden is “encouraging” employers to mandate an “authorized” coof shot that apparently is weaker against this current version than the others.

      On top of that, we’ve watched the administration completely implode on the Afghanistan withdrawal in the past week. They’ve lied about what they knew, indulged in the typical bureaucratic ass-covering, get stun-locked in press conferences by simple questions, and Congressmen are now admitting that we might not be able to get all of our citizens out of there, meaning we’re basically leaving Americans to die because of the administration’s lack of planning.

      At what point do these people, and that includes the NeverTrumper bobbleheads, start thinking, “Gee, maybe these people don’t actually know what they’re doing, and are just throwing shit against the wall in the hope something sticks”?

      1. The only thing to be done is to beat back the leviathan so that its incompetence infects as little of our daily lives as possible. Unfortunately, on any given year, 50% of the population thinks THEIR GUY can right the ship’s path.

        1. So what’s your plan?

          1. If only we could convince people that less government and less government power are good things.

            1. Die before my savings are eaten up by inflation.

            2. #FLexit

              But weird that you’d get offended just by someone asking the question.

              1. I don’t know why you think I’m offended because I am not at all. Just curious. You always criticize people for being too passive (or whatever it is), but don’t make it clear what you think is the best way to proceed. Though I’m not sure FLexit has much more of a chance of happening than convincing a majority of voters that limited government is the way to go. But I would be genuinely pleased to see it happen.

                1. I think it’s pretty easy to infer what needs to happen, and I’m not inclined to be clearer about it.

                  But I’d like to know what more passively oriented people, such as overt and yourself, think anything will change in the face of outright increasing totalitarianism.

      2. “…Congressmen are now admitting that we might not be able to get all of our citizens out of there, meaning we’re basically leaving Americans to die because of the administration’s lack of planning….”

        Not a Congress critter, but a former newsies, and I’m inclined to believe his sources he mentions in this short series of Tweets:
        https://mobile.twitter.com/adamhousley/status/1430033963909664772

        Money quote:

        US Intel fears that when we leave, the Taliban will take down the internet, expel foreign journalists and “eliminate people by the thousands…anyone who might remotely be a threat.” US Emergency teams are being told their only safety guarantee is to get on the next flight.

        1. Guess the bribe money ran out.

        2. Some of the responses are frightening in their ignorance:

          Richard Harris
          @HarrisRichard77
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          8h
          Replying to
          @adamhousley
          Just co coordinate a withdrawal strategy with the Taliban. This process will take weeks and can be done without the unnecessary panic and chaos.

          1. That’s sort of what we’re doing by paying them not to attack, right?

            1. Yeah, pretty much. And the Taliban don’t have time to wait while the US dicks around in the vain hope that someone back in The Building will pull a Hail Mary and they’ll get to stay.

              Watch out for some glowie shenanigans right before or on the deadline.

              1. The new talking point, and it’s quite apparent that it’s a centrally planned and directed talking point, is: no American blood spilled in biggest airlift in US history.
                They will strand thousands of Americans to maintain this talking point.

                1. And the pathetic part is that the only reason American blood wasn’t spilled going back to February 2020 was entirely due to the good graces of the Taliban.

    7. Why are medical doctors so bad at math?
      If 70% are vaccinated, that leaves 30% unvaccinated. Even if none of those 30% are committed anti-vaxers, 30% of 30% is only 9%. So right away you’re not talking about 30%. And not everyone who says something to a pollster will do what they said they would do.

  5. The U.S. evacuated 10,400 people from Kabul in a 24-hour period spanning parts of August 22 and 23.

    …pending vaccine status check.

    1. Mission accomplished!

    2. How many of those 10,400 were brought in by our allies that had to parachute in troops to secure the evacuation routes?

    3. Assuming they’re telling the truth.

      1. ^+1
        Biden’s as familiar with the truth as turd or Tony; distant acquaintances.

    4. Why was it that those people had to be evacuated in such a rushed manner again? The news seems to be missing it.

      1. Come on man, that was over a week ago!

  6. The FDA on Monday officially approved the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, prompting President Joe Biden to quickly push for more vaccine mandates.

    Almost as though those two things were orchestrated. Big Guy must hold a ton of Pfizer stock.

    1. Since I am not an anti-vaxxer or pro-vaxxer, I’m wondering what exactly was accomplished to get this FDA approval completed.

      Was there extra testing, science and other due-diligence or was it just speeding an administrative effort? If it was the latter, then I don’t see how this solves for people who are hesitant about the vaccine. They are going to merely see it as the government ramming through a rubber stamped process.

      1. Well to be fair, the phase 3 human trial that began about 8 months ago and involving over 200 million people has only resulted in a couple hundred thousand reported adverse reactions and ten thousand deaths.

        1. Just wait until the died while vaccinated numbers come out.

          1. Don’t worry, they won’t.

        2. This is the answer. A human reviews every single adverse event in 10s of thousands of pages of pdf documents.

          1. This is the answer. A human reviews every single adverse event in 10s of thousands of pages of pdf dot matrix printed documents .

        3. Citation, please?

      2. Being that it usually takes about 10 years, including conducting proper clinical trials, for a new therapy to be approved by the FDA, it was indeed rubber stamped.

        1. Just like during the H1N1 pandemic. A rushed vaccine where CDC was less than forthcoming with data.

      3. It’s been a year. Is that not long enough for you? Do you insist we remain in lockdown for over a decade so that we take the same amount of time we did with Polio?

        Jeepers Cripes, we get a new Flu vaccine every year, and you’re still shitting your pants over a one year test cycle?

        1. We weren’t locked down for polio.

          1. Last year, a polio vaccine killed more than wild polio did.

            1. I’d have to see a citation on that. I do know that Pakistan had a revival of Polio and had to dust off old “Iron Lungs” because the Mullahs spread the lie that Great Satan America and Little Satan Israel were making people poisoned and infertile with vaccine.

          2. Actually, theaters, swimming pools, saunas, and many other meeting places were shut down due to Polio. Also, in the days of Polio and Spanish Influenza, Cities had signs announcing $50 fines for spitting on the sidewalk, back when $50 was real money! Things truly can be worse.

            1. Also, in the days of Polio and Spanish Influenza, Cities had signs announcing $50 fines for spitting on the sidewalk

              Are you following the 19th century science? Were polio and influenza typically spread through spittle deposited on a sidewalk? What about people who spit off the sidewalk into the street or a grassy lawn? What about the stairs leading to a building? Or were the fines intended to penalize people who spat directly into the faces of other people while either party was on the sidewalk.

              I can imagine there was an exploitative black market where Faganesque grifters lured orphans off the sidewalks and into alleyways where they charged rich weirdos in top hats 2 bits to spit on the kids.

              1. Well, presumably the fine arose because spittle is a form of casual contact which could spread such deadly contagions, especially in tightly-confined, crowded areas such as cities.

                And it is 20th and 21st Century Science that Polio is spread by casual contact and contaminated food and water.

                And health is part of the package of Life, Liberty, and Property that somebody’s instituted and paid to defend from aggression.

                And assault by spitting on people is a felony to this day even if the fine isn’t there for the streets.

                And then there’s just plain ol’ Leroy Brown’s injunction from the Madea universe:

                “Stop bein’ nasty! Stop bein’ nasty!”

        2. And the flu vaccine isn’t reinvented every year.

        3. AND COVID ISN’T THE FLU!

        4. Hey, Brandyshit! Got what you wanted, little boy? Happy?
          Asshole…

        5. It’s been a year. Is that not long enough for you?

          It hasn’t been a year. The first jabs didn’t start going out until the very end of 2020.

          Do you insist we remain in lockdown for over a decade so that we take the same amount of time we did with Polio?

          No, that’s the Branch Covidians demanding we stay in lockdown, permanently if necessary. Shit, were there lockdowns and mask mandates done during the polio epidemic, like there were with the Spanish Flu?

          Your analogy is absolute shit. Why do the Covidians constantly bring up polio like it’s some rhetorical silver bullet? It’s a vaccine, and one whose long-term effects and efficacy are still not fully known–it’s not some holy relic with omnipotent powers.

          The Covidians are nothing more than cargo cultists.

        6. “Do you insist we remain in lockdown for over a decade so that we take the same amount of time we did with Polio?”

          It is precious that you think we can ever turn over enough of our freedoms to convince leaders to remove the lockdown. We have trained them that they can get us to scream at each other for not carrying PAPERS PLEASE if they just lock us down for a few months. Why would they ever change?

        7. No, you fucking pussy, we do not need a vaccine (intervention via TOP MEN) to return to normal life.
          Hide in your house and spare the world your idiotic hysteria.

        8. But the flu vaccines aren’t new-new, they’re just new models of an old vehicle. These are new new.

          1. And I don’t think the inventor of the flu vaccine said it shouldn’t be given to children.

      4. According to NPR, some forms were signed. That’s it.

    1. Holmes is “crazy” hot.

      1. Well, you’re half right.

        1. Bubba must be an apple guy

        2. they go hand-in-hand no?

    2. Ms. Embry, a large Theranos customer, recalled screaming at Mr. Holmes in a call, demanding an explanation for the inaccurate tests, the court records say. Mr. Holmes told her the Theranos machines were “calibrated for finger stick” blood draws, she recalled, to which she responded: “My patients never had finger stick draws,” but rather had blood drawn from their arms. She said Mr. Holmes replied: “We’ll figure this out.”

      I know she has that weird deep voice, but did she change her pronouns too?

      1. A. She doesn’t have a deep voice, that was an affectation. There are youtube videos you can find with her normal voice.

        2. Yeah, that quote is hella weird because I don’t know anything about her gender presentation… as the kids call it.

    3. Just think if her tech did work, and she was smeared by Big Pharma for trying to undercut the blood testing money train. Now that would make a good movie.

  7. I knew the Biden Era would be awesome. I just didn’t know it would be THIS awesome.

    In 2021 Democrats have raised the minimum wage by: $0.00 / hour

    In 2021 the 10 richest Americans have gained a combined: $227 billion

    #BillionairesForBiden

    1. I’m so happy for you! We’re getting tens of thousands of new immigrants yearning to breathe free! It’s a great day!

      1. Indeed.

        Honestly even if some of those immigrants are transphobic bigots who wouldn’t respect my nonbinary (they / them) gender identity, I still want them in this country to provide cost-effective labor for Charles Koch.

        #OpenTheBordersToHelpBillionaires

        1. I bet those Airbnb hosts look forward to having guests that don’t know how to use a toilet.

          1. I was going to say this. They will 100% stand on your toilet seat. Hopefully you don’t have any smooth, palm sized stones around, because they will “use” and then try to flush them. Feet washing in the sink is the peak of personal hygiene.

            Remember when some reporter tried to generate outrage over US forces only and local nationals only toilets? There were very practical reasons to keep the two sets of toilet use cultures separate.

        2. Don’t you worry sweetheart! America is the great Satan. We can corrupt anyone!

          1. Lord of shit has a turd in his pocket.

        3. If your third-person pronouns are they/them, why aren’t your first-person pronouns we/us?

  8. Very few employers are going to make the decision about whether to require vaccination based on whether Biden asked them to, but now it’s easier to paint a smart policy as “the feds forcing it on us.”

    Answered your own question there, Sanchez.

    1. Right. Whether it is Harvey Weinstein insisting it was time to take on the NRA when the #MeToo movement began, or Biden starting this nonsense during the worst week of his early presidency- it is transparently obvious what is going on here. The White House is trying to drive this wedge issue.

      Biden’s handlers are obviously trying to change the subject. “Don’t look at Afghanistan, look at those icky hicks over there who won’t get the jab or wear a mask!” I called this out last week when Biden had a long talk about mask mandates rather than discuss the deteriorating situation in central asia. It’s pathetic.

    2. I’m convinced that the primary problem with social media is that people “think out loud.” By the time they get to the end of their 400 characters, they forgot where they started and just hit .

        1. Mike, trying desperately to find something someone posted anywhere close to as stoooopid as his posts!
          And failing.
          Fuck off, asshole

        2. “Hey, look over here everyone! I use speculation to infer Bubba’s guilty of speculation in attacking ENB.”

          Has everyone noticed that ‘Mike Laursen’ will white knight for ENB almost any chance he gets? Maybe it’s her creepy-looking beard/husbands sock?

  9. “has evacuated a total of 37,000 people since August 14.”

    That’s amazing. We’re lucky the Afghan govt collapsed while American troops were still in the country.

    1. If only we were always so fortunate.

      1. People in Afghanistan only had 20 years to leave. What a tragedy.

        1. No, they didn’t. Try to learn at least a little about a topic before forming and sharing your opinion.

          The siv program takes about 3 years from initial application to visa, if everything goes right. It requires people facing death threats to travel across a dangerous country for multiple trips to the embassy in Kabul. It is an extremely onerous and incomprehensible bit of bureaucratic hell that few native English speakers would be able to navigate. And even if you do everything right, you can still be denied because they weren’t able to find your birth certificate within Afghanistan’s excellently kept records, for instance.

          I have helped 2 Afghan interpreters with their successful visas, and I am still trying for 2 currently hiding in Kabul. One of the successful ones took 6 years to be granted. He gave up at one point and smuggled himself to turkey, only to be caught and returned. The whole time his family had to relocate frequently whenever the taliban figured out where they were. These men have risked more than you ever will in service to the ideals of self rule, freedom, and American values.

          1. What was keeping them in? Walls?

            1. Bureaucracy. Can’t you read?

                1. More evidence lefties have no sense of humor.

          2. Wait a minute, Bubba said nothing about “leaving TO America”. Or are we still on this trope that America is the only nation on the planet that can take a refugee, and in the absence of America’s willingness (or ability) to take on a refugee, there is literally no other option on the globe?

            1. We’re getting at least 50,000

          3. These men have risked more than you ever will in service to the ideals of self rule, freedom, and American values.

            The government they were supporting completely collapsed as the US trained and supplied defenders of their liberty literally ran for the hills. Their, “service to the ideals of self rule, freedom, and American values,” lasted about a week. Either they are not nearly as committed as you claim without evidence, or they really really suck at risk assessment.

            A little history lesson: the local citizenry will tell the occupying forces of a foreign nation anything they want to hear. Even more so when they are getting paid. And the repercussions are predictable. Do you know what the French did to locals who they thought assisted the Germans? Do you think the GIs that liberated France helped the persecuted mother’s of babies that German soldiers left behind apply for asylum?

            By the way, despite humanity’s long history of hiding from soldiers and police in times of unrest, it never works out for the citizenry. Better to meet them in the street with every weapon you can muster.

      2. All the ones that want to leave, according to Psaki.

        1. This is how the current administration will justify leaving people behind; they will be the ones who did not want to leave, I suspect. Or some combination of cowardly bullshit about not trying to get to the single airport through Taliban-held Afghanistan, since they were abandoned to find their own way back if not in Kabul. This is beltway/urban thinking at its heart -fuck everybody who isn’t in a city/one of us.

          1. Look if you can’t fill out all the correct forms in the right order and in triplicate, do you even WANT to come home?

            1. “We texted them a BUNCH of times. They just didn’t want to leave bad enough.”

          2. The narrative on the twitters today was “THEY WERE TOLD TO LEAVE BACK IN MAY!”

            Maybe they were, and maybe they should have listened then. They probably didn’t anticipate a catastrophe on this level. Still doesn’t justify leaving American citizens behind with no protection.

            But, these are that same pieces of garbage who think it’s perfectly justified to let unvaccinated people die.

    2. Lord of shit believes number issued by the WH. That’s amazing.

      1. He doesn’t really, but the narrative…

    3. “has evacuated a total of 37,000 people since August 14.”

      Does anyone actually believe this shit when they’ve admitted that they can’t account for all of our citizens who are there, despite having a leviathan-like security and data-mining infrastructure that would make J. Edgar Hoover orgasm himself right into a stroke?

      1. Yeah, it tracks. That’s exactly the kind of incomprehensible outcome you need to expect from joint state department / dod ventures. It’s easy to count how many people got in the plane. Not so easy to track incoming and outgoing visas, especially when the partner government has stopped existing and want doing a good job to start with.

        1. That’s exactly the kind of incomprehensible outcome you need to expect from joint state department / dod ventures.

          I understand. I’m saying that they’re pulling this number out of their ass. My evidence is the last week and a half of double-talk, brain lock and misdirection from them while the French, Germans, and Brits are actually getting shit done.

      2. “People”, not Americans or our allies we’re responsible for.

        1. I’d guess greater than 50%, and probably closer to 90%, are any Afghan who pushed his way to the front of line.

  10. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is mandating vaccines for all public school teachers and staff.

    Hoisted on their own performatively hysterical petard.

    1. Didn’t they have priority last spring?

    2. “The Union must resist this mandate, because if even one teacher were to have a bad reaction, xi might prevented from teaching, and that would have a negative effect on children, who are always our top priority.”

  11. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1430153594196660232?t=4e6v2wV5n0WQ3EgUeNB_dQ&s=19

    BREAKING: Biden sent CIA director to Afghanistan yesterday to ask the head of the Taliban for safe passage of Americans

    1. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1430159493913059339?t=LIbS3ShGKv5IeYr2uKx__g&s=19

      JUST IN – Taliban not to extend the August 31 deadline and Afghans are not allowed to go to #Kabul airport anymore, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid says in a press conference.

        1. The Taliban are very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp, but you know it’s been 19 years and maybe even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness.

          1. Such a gloriously ignorant comment.

            1. There’s probably an article in it.

              1. No, “Fighting Season” wasn’t a real concept in Afghanistan before the US invaded.

                — Jacob Sullum

          2. You seem like a fanboy.

          3. Lord of shit is a push-over, stupid beyond measure, and not yet tired of making an ass of himself here, daily.

          4. But are they tired of winning?

          5. Maybe you have no clue on this subject, like every other that you fancy yourself an expert. And by maybe, I mean, absolutely, with certainty, you have no clue what you are talking about. You know nothing about insurgencies, nothing about Afghanistan, nothing about the Talibs. You did manage to get the fact that they are tough and sharp correct, but a broken clock is correct twice a day. Repeating what you’ve gleaned from you’re recent internet and in-group ‘research’ is entertaining, so please keep it up.

          6. They have a cache of new weapons thanks to Biden. And they just overthrew Biden’s Afghan government in six days. They are just starting to feel their oats.

          7. “but you know it’s been 19 years and maybe even they are tired of fighting”

            Did Tulpa just steal Sullum’s sock?

            1. There’s more stupid than normal running around this morning.

          8. Wait, I thought they were going to be beheading people. Shit, I can’t keep the New Taliban straight.

  12. 1. So none of the stories about “delta” are based on fact? Because the feds won’t allow it? Goebbels would be so proud.
    2. I assume Airbnb is paying for initial and continuing testing for the Communist Chinese Virus, and paying for the “free” vaccinations.
    3. How many of the evacuees were Americans? Or does Biden even care?
    4. How do we find out which vaccination sites are using Pfizer? Will the other sites close down?
    5. I give up.

    1. “So none of the stories about “delta” are based on fact? Because the feds won’t allow it? ”

      That’s not what the article says.

      1. As long as you take what the government tells you as fact, then you’re correct.

    2. “So none of the stories about “delta” are based on fact?”

      Perhaps not entirely. In my area the health department is testing the sewer system and tracking variants that way.

      1. Is the lab approved and certified for this?

        1. And who, exactly, are they allowed to tell.

          Was it Thomas that got all defensive a couple weeks ago because he was in on some “top secret” health information his county wasn’t sharing with the rest of us?

          1. Not really his style

    3. Wasn’t Moderna’s vaccine better than Pfizer’s? And more effective against the Delta variant? Why is Pfizer approved first?
      And how long until Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is pulled?

  13. North Carolina must restore voting rights to people on probation or parole after felony convictions…

    Gun rights would probably be more useful.

    1. Yeah, I mean the sooner they get back to their old job the less likely they are to go on welfare.

      1. That would be the most useful. The others are secondary, don’t put food on the table or a roof over one’s head.

        1. Actually, voting for ‘bread and circuses’ will do both.

  14. As a result, patients and the public are left with less information about the virus’ spread—information that could be useful for preventing future infections and outbreaks.

    Fortunately none of this is about that.

    1. Trust the experts.

  15. https://www.newsweek.com/afghan-military-officers-we-fought-hard-biden-abandoned-us-1621473

    Recent articles coming out show just how incompetent the Afghanistan theatre has been. It turns out the Afghan army depended on helicopters to supply their forward lines, which in turn depended on fuel and mechanics for support. When the US withdrew, they stopped delivering the fuel Afghanistan depended on. And they withdrew American contractors, the only people with the knowledge to maintain these helicopters.

    Can you believe this? Our government was so corrupt and willfully negligent that we spent billions of dollars on war equipment and then did not provide our allies the basic necessities to keep that equipment running. This isn’t about Biden’s withdrawal (which I will continue to argue was absolutely botched). This is an indictment of our entire government’s ability to execute a mission, rather than line the pockets of cronies. Training mechanics in country who could maintain this gear should have started YEARS ago, and the fact that the US never planned for fueling or training is transparent incompetence.

    My how the mighty have fallen. The original purpose of the Green Berets was to take an indigenous rabble and to bootstrap them into a fighting unit. Inherent in this process was understanding that these weren’t college educated officers being trained. You couldn’t turn them into a modern western fighting unit over night.

    And yet that appears to be what the US tried to do- take a new nation and saddle it with the logistics and technology requirements of one of the most advanced and complex economies in the world. This should be a text-book case study for anyone who insists that the government is competent at anything other than enriching cronies.

    1. If you think the 20 years we spent in Afghanistan had anything to do with national security, revenge, good-hearted altruism towards the poor downtrodden Afghan wamen and grrrrls, or any of the other bullshit that was peddled to us, you’re a buffoon. It’s money that matters. Mostly yours, and mostly when it’s being redirected to the pockets of the boards of directors of Raytheon and General Dynamics.

    2. I am reminded of a talk I attended with some Doctors without Borders guys. They were discussing their trips to Africa where they would always see these high-tech infant incubators pushed into corners gathering dust, while babies died in the clinic from lack of warmth. It turns out that when westerners deliver a $600,000 incubator to the developing world, it works for a couple months until something breaks, or someone with manufacturer-specific training leaves. Then it just takes up space.

    3. This is What Winning Looks Like
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI

      Filmed in 2012. Afghan army and police couldn’t secure their own fuel supply lines so they … didn’t have any at their forward bases.

      This isn’t about the US making them dependent upon helicopter delivery of fuel. This is about a war that was over 10 years ago.

    4. When the US withdrew, they stopped delivering the fuel Afghanistan depended on. And they withdrew American contractors, the only people with the knowledge to maintain these helicopters.

      Gosh, why weren’t the Afghans able to learn how to fix a bunch of old Russian Mi-17s after 20 years? Maybe it’s because they’re a bunch of child-molesting inbred morons, like DOL pointed out a few days ago, or they had no motivation to learn because the Americans were taking care of it like a bunch of over-indulgent parents.

      What happened with the Afghan Army is what happens when you put a spoiled-ass child out into a world where Mommy and Daddy (or government DAs and corporate media departments, take your pick) aren’t holding your hand or easing things along for you. It’s what happens when reality steps in and the Democrats can’t paper it over by tweeting out “Black Lives Matter” while allowing their stormtroopers to burn American cities.

      1. That’s why these idiots have gone through a total moral collapse the past few days–they’re not used to being in situations that they can’t speak their desires into existence.

        1. Reality has a terrible habit of not going along with the political narrative.

      2. I also think there’s an element of it where if you’re a young, capable Afghan man and you’re willing to fight you’re way more likely to join the Taliban than join up with the invaders. Their volunteers, the equivalent of our enlisted, fight for the other guy.

    5. This is exactly how things work here and abroad. Identify a ‘problem.’ Come up with a grandiose ‘solution,’ bonus if there is a fancy acronym in the letters of the name, if it’s a bill. Spend seemingly endless time on rhetorical plugging/attacks in support of the ‘solution.’ If the ‘solution’ becomes law, do not require oversight, never ever have intermediate progress reporting or status checks, or any means to determine a positive endstate. When (if) the ‘solution’ fails, spend seemingly endless time on rhetorical plugging attacks/attacks/excuses. It was the Koch Brother/billionaires (looking at you, Bernie), it was voters working against their best interests, it was Trump, it was X, it was Y. What it never is, or was, is the fucking politicians who failed to properly plan in the first place, and who believe that a complete ignorance of a situation is fine, because ‘years of experience’ in addition to throwing millions or billions of dollars at a project is a solution. This is how DC works. and will continue to work, until they are held accountable. Which, given that the US Congress will never limit their own power, will never occur. The cycle will continue, no plan or shitty plan, allocate money, massive failure, blame largely unrelated factors, attempt to allocate more funds.

    6. This was a humanitarian war. Or was eight years of Obama lost on everyone?

  16. “North Carolina must restore voting rights to people on probation or parole after felony convictions, a court ruled Monday.”

    This is just the first step. Eventually I want every incarcerated American — even serial killers serving life sentences — to vote from behind bars.

    #FelonsAreNaturalLibertarians

    1. I take it democrats don’t have the majority in the state legislature as they are using the courts.

    2. Suddenly every politician will want a prison in their district

  17. https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1430025899148300288?t=9WzVmo9ft-QVH2ZATPQIzA&s=19

    This young man is more switched on than most people twice his age. A critical thinker.
    [Video]

    Now that this video is going viral, they hit it with the ‘This tweet is misleading notice’.

    Well done on proving his ‘1984’ point.

    We live in strange times…

    1. He said nothing that was misleading.

      1. Yeah, curious what they deemed was misleading?

        1. Did he praise Biden? Was he careful to use the approved incorrect pronouns?

  18. Airbnb will subsidize housing for 20,000 Afghan refugees

    Curious lack of mention that they will be paid handsomely by the federal government for doing so under the refugee resettlement program. Catholic charities have been running that scam for about half a century.

  19. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1430144792831332352?t=tCBUY3RFdWP6vt3kwyM9VA&s=19

    Antifa accounts are trying to do major damage control after videos emerged showing them confronting & assaulting random bystanders in Portland. They demonstrate that they act “like cops” & enforcers of indiscriminate violence when given the opportunity to have power. [Link]

    1. They’ve mastered the art of projection.

      “Why do you keep making me fascist you?!?!?!”

      1. Pay attention to the accusations of the left, because they are always what the left will do, or is doing, to you

        1. They just can’t resist giving away spoilers.

      2. “The progressive cries out in pain when he strikes you.”

      3. The hallmark of the serial abuser: ‘why do you make me hurt you?’

    2. Did ‘antifa’ not also claim that it was a right-wing group posing as their members doing this? Am waiting for the same claim to be picked up here by ‘left-libertarians.’

  20. These days, who do you trust?

    1. Nobody, never did.

    2. Me? I’m giving away free money! And where is the Batman? Home washing his tights!

  21. Libertarians: Rejoice! After a century of withholding lifesaving drugs from people with terminal illnesses by waiting years, sometimes decades, for complete safety data to be collected, the FDA has finally made history by not just approving, but mandating for 350 million people, a drug 2 full years before its requisite safety studies have been completed. To think, just a few short years ago we had to fight tooth and nail for “right to try”. Now we not only have the right to try, but the legal obligation.

    1. Isn’t it marvelous what the establishment can achieve when they’re properly motivated by hatred and greed.

    2. That which is not prohibited is mandatory

  22. https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1429885148074594305?t=uPwwI6eo0XSN1lOOmpvdrw&s=19

    Doocy wondered whether Biden knows “most of the criticism is not of leaving Afghanistan, it’s the way that he has warranted it to happen, by pulling the troops before getting out the Americans who are now stranded.”

    Psaki: “It’s irresponsible to say Americans are stranded.” (2/) [video]

    Doocy: “‘There are no Americans stranded’ is the White House’s official position on what is happening in Afghanistan right now?”

    Psaki: “I’m just calling you out for saying we are stranding Americans in Afghanistan when…we have been very clear” they’re not left behind. [Video]

    1. Trump wanted the troops out by December 2020. I guess we’re lucky Biden wom that election. Just imagine how much worse it would be if we didn’t control that airport. You boys aren’t very smart. That’s why you are who you are!

      1. So the Biden admin and leftists aren’t stranding Americans in enemy territory because… Trump had a different plan for withdrawal that was not allowed to be implemented?

          1. It’s just a sad argument to say that because this previous plan that never occurred existed, Biden admin couldn’t evacuate Americans during the 8 months they’ve been in charge.

          2. A further link Lord of Shit hopes you’ll forget:
            https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

            “…We handed our entire plan to the incoming Biden administration during the lengthy transition. The new team simply wasn’t interested…”

            Plans? Who needs plans when you got droolin’ Joe in charge?

          3. Hey Sullum told us Liz Cheney has more integrity than Rand Paul. And Sullum is a real live libertarian. I’m sure Greenwald is mistaken.

      2. A silly little man and his silly little fantasy world.

      3. Hey dumbass… Trump was president in dec 2020. His withdrawal date was May 21. How dumb are you?

        1. “…How dumb are you?”

          Hard to measure that amount of dumb – just assume a whole hell of a lot.

        2. Old Jakie doesn’t know much, but he knows it’s Trump’s fault.

      4. Lord of shit is drunk already.

      5. Weapons-grade stupidity.

      6. “You boys aren’t very smart”

        You’re so clever that you think it was better for Joe to wipe his ass with a comprehensive withdrawal plan that the other two parties had agreed to, make all sorts of excuses to stick around, and then suddenly bug-out, leaving everyone else holding the bag.

        Fucking genius.

      7. Woof, the copium level in this comment is off the charts.

      8. In Dec the taliban are freezing in caves. The whole shit show we have now would have been avoided for at least 6 months after we left.

        1. Or they could have spent the last few months getting civilians out.

    2. Leftist playbook. Change the meaning of words. Attack you for not being aware of the new definition. Refuse to address the issue.

  23. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1429955434237026311?t=YvSc6ztxWgqsG6rk9XD1EA&s=19

    Around the 16 second mark, you can briefly see the at-large antifa shooter. This is part of the shootout that happened in downtown Portland on 22 Aug. Antifa say they went to save black children from a white man who talked about lynchings. [Video]

      1. I mean, the John Brown Gun Club bragged openly and on video about providing armed “security” at chazchop, but when 2 (black) teens were gunned down then murdered via execution, nothing authorities could do…

    1. LOL they can’t even come up with a plausible lie.

  24. The U.S. evacuated 10,400 people from Kabul in a 24-hour period spanning parts of August 22 and 23, the White House announced yesterday. It has evacuated a total of 37,000 people since August 14.

    How many Americans? Glad ENB is blindly pushing the WH talking points.

    1. Oh she’s not doing it blindly.

      1. China isn’t the only country with a 50 cent army.

  25. The left is in a full on holocaust state of mind

    https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1429552986926157824?t=3e3hbrFZLvZdJYkAideD2g&s=19

    In November 1923, Hitler’s attempted coup failed. But no one was held accountable. Ten years later, he took over Germany.

    Trump’s January 2021 coup failed. But 7 months later, Trump faces no consequences, and his co-conspirators are still in Congress.

    [Thread]

    1. I don’t know why they are worried. Biden is doing such a great job, nobody would have a chance against him.

    2. Hitler went to jail for his attempted coup, and was elected to office later. So, analogy fail for Oompa Loompa Reich.

      1. But when Hugo Chávez did the same people considered it an accomplishment.

    3. If that was an attempted coup then the dump I took this morning was an attempted bank robbery.
      I think the people barging in were being dumb, but in what possible, conceivable way could their actions have led to Trump staying on office illegally?

  26. “…The U.S. evacuated 10,400 people from Kabul in a 24-hour period spanning parts of August 22 and 23, the White House announced yesterday. It has evacuated a total of 37,000 people since August 14…”

    And droolin’ Joe, over the weekend, told us that the entire fuck-up isn’t that bad!
    Gonna take more than a WH announcement at this point, and what country accepted these 37,000 people?

    1. I look forward to renting an Airbnb after it was used for a few months by Afghan refugees.

      1. Kinda like the Pope’s divisions; Airbnb doesn’ own any property.
        Where are the people being hosted? Which country is gladly accepting un-vetted folks from that place sorta known as terrorist-central?

        1. Sounds like they’re just fronting the cash.

          Still it’s a more productive way to signal than the LGBTQ Skittles or the Gillette ads insinuating its customers were misogynistic rapists.

          1. 9er’s football on Sunday, sponsored by Levis, featuring ads telling us not to buy so much clothing.
            Really! I’m not kidding!
            If I held any Levis, I’d be talking to some legal helps about a share-holder suit

          2. But back to this, where are all those people being placed? Which country is willing to accept those sorts of number of totally un-vetted people?
            Droolin’ Joe tells us he got X people out, but not where they went.

            1. New York saw some senior housing units open up last year.

      2. Now, *that* is ‘cultural appropriation’!

      3. Couldn’t be any worse than roma

  27. I’m guessing koch reason is just orgasmic over the prospect of more refugee relocations here.

  28. As Dr. Fauci comes out in favor of vaccine mandates and lockdowns, let us all reflect on the good old days:

    In 2014, at the height of the Ebola outbreak in Africa, concerns were rising in America about the possibility of the disease spreading across the country. With a genuinely horrifying 40 percent case fatality rate (which is at least 40 times higher than the CFR of COVID-19), and a several week incubation period for infectees, state governors acted to pursue mandatory quarantines for healthcare workers returning to the U.S. from regions where the virus was spreading.

    Dr. Fauci wasn’t happy about the fact that his colleagues were being subject to quarantines. He went on a media blitz and hammered the quarantine policies that had been issued in New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Virginia, Maryland, Georgia and Florida, declaring them “unscientific” and “draconian.”

    1. Well quarantines shouldn’t be used to help get rid of that President. Only the wrong kinds of Presidents.

  29. So, the week before last, we discussed the impending vote on Biden and the Democrats’ $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill, and the last chapter had it that nine House Democrats wrote a letter to Pelosi threatening to withhold their support for the budget reconciliation bill unless she held a vote on the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill first.

    This was significant because 1) if more than four Democrats fail to support the budget reconciliation bill in the House, it won’t succeed and 2) The reason Pelosi and the progressive wing of the House Democrats are insisting on voting on the budget reconciliation bill first is because they’re afraid that the House passes the infrastructure bill first, moderate Democrats in both the House and the Senate will subsequently refuse to pass the budget reconciliation bill for being too expensive. In fact, there’s no reason for moderate Democrats to care which bill is considered first if they don’t plan to vote against the budget reconciliation bill.

    In other words, when last we left it, there was a glimmer of hope that, maybe, the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill would fail. At the time, there was talk that Pelosi would introduce a procedural change that would make it so the two bills would be passed in the House simultaneously. In fact, Pelosi tried to introduce a procedural vote last night to make the two votes happen simultaneously, and guess what? There wasn’t enough support from those nine moderate House Democrats to pass the procedural change, and so the motion wasn’t brought up for a vote.

    “Democratic leaders on Monday evening altered a procedural motion originally scheduled for a vote later in the night so that if it passes the House, the $3.5 trillion budget framework would pass at the same time. Plans to hold that vote Monday night were abandoned, though, and Mrs. Pelosi said the chamber would vote on the measure on Tuesday as she left the Capitol after midnight.

    Lawmakers said there were also ongoing discussions over a possible commitment from Democratic leaders to bring up the infrastructure bill for a vote by a specific date, potentially Oct. 1, even if the broader budget package wasn’t done by then. That could potentially win over centrists, but anger liberals who worry the party’s more centrist wing might oppose the broader budget package without repercussions if the infrastructure bill has already passed.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-near-showdown-on-infrastructure-bill-broader-spending-package-11629745295?

    I’m still not backing off my statement from the week before last. IF IF IF the House passes the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill before the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill comes up for a vote, then the budget reconciliation bill PROBABLY won’t pass. Because of that, the likelihood of the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill passing probably depends on the results of the ongoing procedural battles over whether the infrastructure bill will be voted on before the budget reconciliation bill, and we may see that come to a head later today.

    I still wouldn’t bet on the budget reconciliation bill to fail. I still think it’s likely to pass. However, Biden and the progressive Democrats only had so much political capital to spend in getting the budget reconciliation bill over the hump, and Biden had a whole lot more in the way of political capital to spend before last week’s collapse of the Afghan military. Moderate Democrats, in red and purple districts and states, are less likely to be willing to stick their necks out for Biden’s sake than they were when Biden was more popular the week before last. Why would moderate Democrats want Joe Biden to come to their district and campaign for them in 2022 at this point?

    In conclusion, although the budget reconciliation bill may still be likely to pass, it’s less likely to pass than it was the week before last. The bill is full of Green New Deal spending and the creation and expansion of socialist entitlement programs, and I remain hopeful that the American people can avoid this awful mistake. Watch the procedural vote today or later this week. If they make it so the infrastructure bill comes up for a vote first, the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill probably won’t pass.

    1. “we discussed” translates to “I monologued about”

      1. No, there’s been discussion. Just not with you Dee.

        1. “No, there’s been discussion. Just not with you Dee.”
          As if any sane person would have a discussion with that lying pile of lefty shit.

          1. The irony is she’s muted most the people that respond to Ken, and he’s muted her.

            She’s just squawking in the wind.

    2. If a handful of moderate Dems save us 3.5 trillion in new debt, we owe them our gratitude forever. Because that’s how long it would take to pay it back. The entire federal debt was less than 3.5 trillion dollars as recently as 1990.

    1. It will be interesting to see what they do with all these people once they make it to the United States. Are they sending them all to the same places?

      They usually find jobs for asylum seekers who aren’t being released to friends or family–unlike the children coming from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

      I know that meat packing companies and companies like Chobani yogurt have deals with the federal government that pays them subsidies to hire asylum seekers and refugees. The political issues surrounding these 20,000 people won’t be played out when they get them to vetted and to the U.S.A.

      If it were me, I might pressure Ivy League schools to put the single men and women up in student housing–and even admit them into their student body to help address issues of white privilege. How well are Muslims from central Asia represented in the student bodies of Ivy League schools anyway? The interpreters may not do well on standardized testing, but that’s racist anyway. Besides, the interpreters have lived experience.

      1. If it were me, I might pressure Ivy League schools to put the single men and women up in student housing

        Exactly. They could house the rest at Martha’s Vinyard or La Jolla Farms. Let the aristocracy have a face to face with the repercussions of their actions.

        1. I’m just sayin’.

    2. Total propaganda incompetence.

      1. It’s not that they think we’re idiots. They enjoy parading their lack of accountability and forcing us to accept obvious propaganda. It’s a show of power.

        1. “How many lights do you see?”

          1. How many genders are there?
            “Two”
            And if the Party says there are sixty-three?
            “Two”
            How many genders?
            “Two! Two! What else can I say? Two!'”
            How many genders?
            “Sssixty-three! Sixty-three! Sixty-three!”
            No, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are two. How many genders, please?
            “Two! Sixty-three! Two! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!’

            1. Sorry you had to go through that. Things have really gotten bad in Canada, huh?

              1. You have no idea RMac. I still can’t feel my thumbs… but hey, I did learn to love Big (gay) Brother.

          2. Just watched that episode the other day, really good.

        2. From my conversations with ‘them,’ they also think that any outside their in-group/bubble is mentally defective, an idiot, a cultist, et cetera. The psychological projection is pretty amusing if one is a misanthrope. And, yeah, there’s the gloating about the show of power; that in-group has, speaking in general, a real issue with being a bunch of smug fuckwads.

    3. It’s a C-17, just not ours.

      Wonder if the UAE is taking them to Al Dhafra; a lot of the flights are getting routed to Qatar, and those two countries do not get along at all.

  30. “The U.S. evacuated 10,400 people from Kabul in a 24-hour period spanning parts of August 22 and 23, the White House announced yesterday. It has evacuated a total of 37,000 people since August 14.”

    Highly unlikely to be true and those doing the actual evacs are telling us that the US admin is a huge impediment to the effort.

    In effect Biden wants you to know that he’s fucking up his original fuck up.

    I wonder though since many will eventually die being stranded and left behind by the Biden admin, will he get the impeachment he deserves? I suspect koch reason will tell us why that would unconstitutional or violate free speech.

    1. will he get the impeachment he deserves?

      Not until at least January 2023. He’s more likely to die in office until then. And since he’s rarely seen, his currently handlers may be able to keep the facade up.

  31. Airbnb will subsidize housing for 20,000 Afghan refugees</i

    Finally some corporate virtue signaling that doesn't involve putting a LGBTQQWTF flag on their packaging, or making a woke tweet about how racist everyone else is.

    Kudos to Airbnb.

  32. “CIA Director William Burns met secretly with the Taliban’s top figure in Kabul on Monday amid a chaotic U.S. effort to evacuate American citizens and Afghans allied with the U.S. in advance of an Aug. 31 deadline, U.S. officials said.

    Details of the meeting weren’t immediately available, but the CIA chief’s crisis diplomacy comes as the Biden administration is considering whether to extend the evacuation of tens of thousands of people from Kabul airport beyond the deadline for a U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. The Taliban on Monday rejected any extension.”

    —-WSJ

    August 24, 2021

    So, the Biden administration sent their CIA director to the Taliban to beg for mercy, but no one gives get out of jail cards away for free. If you want something from the Taliban, like them letting Americans and those who worked with us to get to the airport, you need to give the Taliban something in return.

    So, what is the Biden administration giving them?

    1. News on these issues is hard to come by, and CNNCBSPBSNBCMSNBC don’t seem to have the staff to provide any answers.
      Nor any interest in doing so, it seems

      1. I wonder if Pelosi has backed down from her demand that the Taliban negotiate with women as a precondition for the U.S. withdrawal?

        Biden, likewise, is in a position to demand nothing.

        1. If the Taliban negotiates individual ransoms, it could get *very* expensive; I’m sure Burns is trying to get a quantity discount.
          But the Taliban really has no incentive to be nice now and they know Biden is willing to tear up any agreement, so it’ll have to be cash up-front.
          Who’s got the keys to Fort Knox, and where’s the nearest airport?

        2. I’m not sure of that. Last week he was threatening to unleash hell on the Taliban if they caused trouble. It was rough guy rhetoric, but the USAF is capable of raining death from the skies.

    2. ADS-B junkies have been noting a few GA planes flying around Afghanistan the last few weeks, owned by some plumbing company in the US. (Registering them to the Ace Tomato Company would have been silly.)

      My guess is they’re dropping off goodies.

    3. Perhaps Kamala will be assigned this job

      1. She’d probably blow it (I knew you were waiting for that).

        1. I think she’d handle it

    4. Another ‘imagine if Trump was doing it’ moment.

      Sending the CIA to negotiate in secret with the Taliban.

      The media would be apoplectic.

      1. Can you imagine?

        1. Remember the big denouement in “A Time to Kill” when McConaughey’s character says “now imagine if she was white” to the jury? Well, this really is that kind of moment.

          Any of the writers here who think themselves honest brokers need to ask themselves why they did not have an immediate visceral reaction to such actions by the Biden administration.

      2. Not to be hypocritical, but the calls for Biden to take a test for his cognitive ability should be getting louder at this point.

        After that day, when he was insisting that Americans weren’t having any trouble getting to the airport, . . .

        I’m not sure he understands what his people are telling him.

        1. He’d probably start eating the crayon. And the media would report that he didn’t answer any question incorrectly.

    5. “So, what is the Biden administration giving them?”

      Intel on Taliban opponents in the northern provinces.

  33. BTW, the last guess had something like 80,000 total hostages in Afghanistan; any updates?

    1. At this point pretty much everyone in Afghanistan not Taliban is a hostage of one sort or another.

      1. “‘They are capable of evacuating their citizens and troops by August 31’, the defiant Taliban spokesman said. ‘All people should be removed prior to that date. After that we do not allow them. We will take a different stance.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9922111/CIA-Director-William-Burns-held-secret-meeting-Taliban-leader-Abdul-Ghani-Baradar-Monday.html

        Saying the loud part even louder.

  34. Biden job approval now 41%, how’s that taste far left liberaltarians. Bitter, hard to swallow. I imagine you’ll use your insanity to spin it somehow.

    1. “Something, something, Trump” I’m sure.

      The amazing thing is that the administration achieved those levels with a national press actively carrying water for them.

    2. Check with Brandyshit; pretty sure that little boy is all smiles now that his daddy-figure isn’t sending mean tweets anymore!

  35. lol the federal government is going to make things easier for the subjects to be in the light.

  36. >>Airbnb will subsidize housing for 20,000 Afghan refugees.

    Christmas in August for Shikha?

  37. This Taliban bunch seems more savvy than the last. I could see them kicking out every foreigner first then wait a bit before the beheadings start. Meanwhile sit back and watch Americans fall all over themselves What is it Napoleon said about your enemies?

    1. This crop clearly wants to be legitimized by the international community, so they’re trying to tard-wrangle their guys from going off the chain. The bunch who ran it from 1996-2001 didn’t give a fuck.

  38. fuck. long live Charlie Watts.

    1. I feel old now.

      1. Can you play the drums? There’s an opening.

  39. C-17 rated capacity for passengers; 134 troops with palletized and sidewall seats. Assuming they triple the capacity, since “refugees” aren’t carrying combat equipment, say 400 per trip.
    10,400 people, 400 per trip; 26 trips. Better than 1 per hour.
    Question: did anybody actually see all those planes?

    1. Sounds like someone is spreading non-government approved misinformation. You’ve been reported.

    2. Question: did anybody actually see all those planes?

      Is this the part of the movie security theater where the plucky burglars intelligence analysts make a mistake and the incompetent security guards CNN news reporters suddenly realize that the video satellite feed is actually on a loop?

  40. US death stats for 2020

    Guys, somebody was on here last week saying that the numbers only went up 70k. But I’m searching online and see different numbers. (Not that I trust the CDC to be honest about these numbers.) Who was reporting the 70k numbers last week and where did you find that data. Thanks in advance.

  41. Chromatin Immunoprecipitation
    https://www.profacgen.com/chromatin-immunoprecipitation-chip-assay-service.htm
    Chromatin immunoprecipitation (ChIP) assay is a powerful method for the investigation of DNA-protein interaction

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