Coronavirus

Free Society Dwindles as Permission Requirements Grow

Many things once done as a matter of right are now privileges to be dispensed or withheld by those in power.

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The COVID-19 pandemic has been a bonanza for government officials, allowing them to extend authority that they then exercise with relatively little oversight or restraint in ways that would have been inconceivable in the past. It has accelerated the transformation of previously free societies into permission-based states, where things once done as a matter of right are now considered privileges to be dispensed or withheld by those in power. Case in point: the Biden administration reportedly discussed making travel within the United States conditional on vaccination status but is holding back out of fear that the public has yet to be sufficiently softened-up for such an intrusive restriction.

"While more severe measures — such as mandating vaccines for interstate travel or changing how the federal government reimburses treatment for those who are unvaccinated and become ill with COVID-19 — have been discussed, the administration worried that they would be too polarizing for the moment," the Associated Press reported last week after discussions with administration insiders. "That's not to say they won't be implemented in the future, as public opinion continues to shift toward requiring vaccinations as a means to restore normalcy."

The AP emphasizes that "White House officials say Biden wanted to initially operate with restraint to ensure that Americans were ready for the strong-arming from the federal government." The piece is unusually blunt in the glimpse it offers of an administration that embraces coercive measures to achieve its goals but is trying to co-opt businesses and localities as its proxies until Americans are more ready to do as they're told.

This isn't the first time that conditions have been imposed on travel and other activities in the name of public health during the pandemic. The administration had already announced that it plans to require foreigners traveling to the United States to be vaccinated, a restriction likely to excite little opposition in an age when border controls are popular and other countries have similar rules. Before that, states and localities imposed testing and quarantine rules on visitors and even travel bans, though most were haphazardly enforced. Hawaii, surrounded as it is by a natural moat, has most successfully imposed a masked-and-gowned version of the iron curtain. But that's just evidence of how far we've already gone down the path of turning travel from the right it once was into a privilege. 

"As a general rule, until 1941, U.S. citizens were not required to have a passport for travel abroad," reports the National Archives.

"Airline travel in the early 1960s was still fairly carefree: If you had a ticket, you could board a plane," the Los Angeles Times noted in 2014.

Invoking security concerns, officialdom imposed documentation requirements and subjected people and their luggage to the extensive screenings with which we're now all too familiar. Starting in 2009, Americans had to show passports to be readmitted to the United States on their return from journeys beyond the border. So, the federal government making interstate travel a privilege granted only to those in its good graces would be just one more step down a path traveled before—but a big one.

Note that this isn't about the wisdom of getting vaccinated; let's stipulate that vaccination for COVID-19 is effective and generally a good idea. But traveling within the country has historically been treated as a right to be freely exercised without the need to seek permission from the government, no matter how wisely (improbable though that is) officials exercise their discretion.

"Freedom of movement within and between states is constitutionally protected," Georgetown Law's Meryl Justin Chertoff noted last year after states and localities began imposing travel restrictions. "The right of Americans to travel interstate in the U.S. has never been substantially judicially questioned or limited."

But Chertoff acknowledged that governments tend to enjoy more leeway in exercising authority when they invoke the words "public health," and civil liberties advocates often let them get away with it.

It's not just the freedom of travel at risk of becoming a conditional privilege.

"Through vaccination requirements, employers have the power to help end the pandemic," Jeff Zients, the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator, said last Thursday as part of the effort to get employers, businesses, and local governments to impose rules that Americans aren't yet prepared to accept from Washington, D.C. Localities including New York City and San Francisco have obliged by making many indoors activities, such as dining in restaurants, attending performances, and exercising in gyms, conditional on vaccination.

Again, the issue isn't the effectiveness of vaccination or of other public health measures. The concern is the conversion of everyday activities like travel, work, and shopping into privileges to be permitted only to those who please the powers that be.

To be certain, the permission society isn't new. Roughly 30 percent of workers in the United States now need a license—permission from the government—to do their jobs. That permission can be revoked for reasons having nothing to do with work responsibilities, meaning that it becomes just another tool for controlling people by denying them the ability to make a living unless they submit.

"States must adopt laws that allow them to suspend driver's, professional, occupational, and recreational licenses of individuals who owe overdue support," according to the Department of Health and Human Services, citing the requirements of a law intended to ensure payment of child support. And who could object to making parents meet their obligations to their kids? But that's how rights become privileges, one ostensibly well-intentioned incursion at a time.

If the Biden administration does eventually require proof of vaccination as a condition for traveling within the United States, it will be moving just a little bit further down the path to making this country one based not on individual rights exercised at will, but on permission dispensed from above. With every step, we lose a little more of our freedom to do as we please and find ourselves stuck with the crumbs of whatever we're allowed.

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  1. That they are even talking about this……

    1. Vote for fascists, get fascism.

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      4. Don’t vote for them, still get them.

      5. The vax passports, are ultimately about elite whites segregating themselves in trendy places within NYC and LA, under the auspices of “health”, fully aware that the majority of blacks and latinos are NOT vaxed in those areas and likely never will be. This was always an intended goal and is being implemented as we speak. Despite the constant refrain from the media and “good whites” about those stubborn Trump voters, the fact remains the largest demos that refuse the vax are Blacks (about 40 pct) and Latinos (again, about 40 percent).

        1. Except you keep forgetting that those people can get the vaccine just a freely as everyone else, so if those minorities you mention want the vax, they can get the vax. You also forget that until recently only men could be members at elite clubs like Augusta, and people like you argued for keeping it that way. And those elite places still enforce the privilege of attending them by pricing themselves above what the Riff-Raff can afford. Our society is nowhere near as ‘free’ as this article is trying to make it sound.

          1. And if you don’t have $3, you can’t get a Happy Meal.

            That ain’t tyranny, moron.

      6. Vote for fascists, get fascism.

        If there’d been any on the ballot, I would have. We’re in the process of learning the hard way there are things worse than fascists.

    2. Off topic but It must have been a very quite, peaceful, uneventful weekend. Otherwise Reason would have cover events. Like a return to 1975 and the fall of Saigon

      1. The Biden-Harris admin strategy is to hide while disaster unfolds and let the media+bureaucracy cover for them. Then, in a few days, come up with some other distraction to move along the “news” cycle.
        Not exactly surprising since this was exactly how they campaigned.

        1. It’s like if FDR had taken a week off after 12/7.

        2. Whoever’s in charge of the Biden automaton needs to program the new responses.

        3. So yesterday they were at fault for delaying withdrawal past Trumps deadline, and now they withdrew too soon? Could your partisanship be any more naked?

      2. The Reason blog isn’t a newspaper. The writing staff also get weekends off.

        1. Lol. So God damn pathetic.

        2. So does Biden/Harris apparently

          1. Though Biden and Harris get off in different ways.

          2. Ooh, zing!

            1. Oh, fuck off and die!

        3. You exist primarily to apologize for leftist bullshit. Are you aware of that?

          1. That is what he is paid to do.

        4. Baylen Linneken has been off 2 weeks. Not even foodie talk for relief.

      3. The brave truth tellers at Reason are waiting for guidance from the Journolist mother ship.

    3. And they said Trump was the notsee.

      1. Yeah, Trump was a dictator because he would not let the leftist dictators dictate.

        More of a double-reverse Nazi.

        1. Nah – Trump’s just the sociopathic mistake misguided people voted for due largely to Putin’s need to keep HRC, whom he despises, out of the WH. It would have interfered with his agenda of poisoning his rivals and detractors while enabling the hacking of America. Trump was to obtuse to realize KGB is for life.

          1. Yeah, if only there was a way to keep misguided people from voting…

          2. *sirens sound*

            CONSPIRACY THEORIST SIGHTED!!

          3. Lol because only Putin despises HRC

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  2. We put in the party that embraces utopian dictatorial busybodiness, and only vaguely recognizes constitutional brakes on federal power, mostly as irritating anachronisms. This is to be expected.

    1. Sadly, that seems to describe both parties today.

      1. Yet under the previous administration, when the pandemic was much worse, there wasn’t any talk of this. So yeah, you’re full of shit.

        1. Trump was the one who insisted he had the power to personally impose mandates on all Americans regarding masks, quarantines, etc. Until it was carefully explained to him that he didn’t. So yeah, you’re full of shit.

          1. A bunch of bullshit you just made up.

          2. So he was going to do this but didn’t. Interesting standard you’ve created.

      2. No, it might have described Republicans in the 70s or even the 80s.

        But in the 21st century only one major American party is coming up with edicts about how we must wear and change our underwear, and thinks that debates about policy specifics (inside? outside? daily? weekly?) represent freedom.

  3. I blame Trump and racism.

    1. TDS and tokenism, 100%.

    2. Ken drops the mask of being an impartial libertarian who has sided with the Republicans for logical, strategic reasons. And signals a victimization narrative meme to his fellow right-wingers.

      1. So you’re good with these new measures?

        1. SHE DIDN’T SAY THAT! Of course, she didn’t criticize it either, nor will she.

      2. OMG! Laursen has contracted a TDS variant! It’s Schultz Derangement Syndrome! Quick! Everybody mute Mike Laursen before you contract it too! Two weeks to flatten the curve!

      3. When democrats are removed, propagandists like you will likely be tried and executed for your role in advancing democrat treason.

      4. When one side’s spending twice as much as the other and cracking down on free speech and cracking down on freedom of movement, it’s easy to ally with the other side, even if “both sides bad” is still true.

        1. That’s all giving rational reasons for taking a side in the Red vs. Blue Team political war, if you feel you have to take a side. Someone who reluctantly chooses a side out of necessity didn’t go around sending out right-wing echo chamber fog whistles about how much they are mistreated by the left, who call them Trump fans and racists.

          1. Asshole lefty apologists invent all sorts of bullshit to justify their idiocy, asshole lefty apologist.

          2. It’s actually Americans vs. Team Blue.

      5. TDS-addled asshole Mike has no mask to drop.

    3. Well, Tuccille was, just last week, claiming he couldn’t tell the difference between a murdering, sexual predator governor and the best POTUS we had for the last century, so I’m sure the asshole will come up with a way to blame Trump.

    4. Especially *gasp* Systemic Racism! Just like Systemic Leprechauns and Systemic Unicorns!
      You can’t see them or touch them, but, gosh darn it, you just KNOW they’re there!

  4. The COVID pandemic has not allowed government officials to expand their authority. A compliant and sometimes supportive populace has done that. COVID is just a red herring.

    1. Yep. More and more people that I know are not mad at the government, but mad at the people that won’t obey.

      1. +

      2. Which describes the majority of the maskers at this point. Look at me, I follow SCIENCE! And of course they are wearing an ineffective mask, incorrectly, and at times and places where it wouldn’t matter if it was [effective].

        1. At least they are trying to be part of the solution v part of the problem. Wear the mask – get vaxxed; this isn’t some silly game, it’s the perpetuation and mutation of a virus. Don’t be a host to the next greatest mutation, as well as the misery and deaths of others including all those under 12 who contract coronavirus.

          1. You’re not big on scientific reasoning

            1. He’s even worse on facts

      3. It’s not ‘fear of other peoples’ liberties,’ it’s outrage that other people don’t behave in the manner in which ‘they’ want at all times.

        1. So much this.
          The biggest me generation ever.

      4. Hey, whatever gets them to oust Newsom.

    2. Yeppers.

    3. If the Biden administration does eventually require proof of vaccination as a condition for traveling within the United States, it will be moving just a little bit further down the path to making this country one based not on individual rights exercised at will, but on permission dispensed from above.

      A ”little bit”?

      The Biden administration, and it’s enablers in congress and at the state level, is past taking “little” steps against the people’s liberty and civil rights. Each criminal abuse of our rights has been analyzed for public response (meaning, ‘will this fuck up our chances to be re-elected?’) before the next decree is invariably issued. Additionally, there’s been zero consequences for their use of the media monopolies to silence their opposition.

      I apologize for the length of this post, but I feel that this Covid bullshit is how we finally loose all of our significant rights in this country and make Leviathan’s wildest dreams come true. If you disagree, ask the people around you if they think it’s OK to prevent people from traveling, working, etc without the fucking jab. The majority of the chimps are completely on board with all this.

      If anyone has a peaceful solution to all this, by all means pipe up. I’m all ears, because a violence free end to this usurpation of our God given rights is the most important topic there can be.

      1. Re election of trump.

      2. Peaceful solution?

        Honestly I think the most likely would be the States utilizing the 10th Amendment and nullification of unconstitutional overreach. Just say no to doing the fed’s work and let them enforce their own tyranny [which they do not have the resources to do]; and of course no more double jeopardy in the name of “dual sovereignty;” of course this will also necessarily require some serious brakes on the 16th lest they just take all the money and refuse to give it back/ dole it out for compliance.

        As for those who want to live under domination, there are and will continue to be a number of venues from HI to NJ that can provide that type of dystopia.

        But I agree, the biggest danger to our freedoms are those who eschew them, and naturally believe you should as well. For the greater public good and all.

      3. The willing disregard for the constitution and the rights of a free people is an act of aggression.

        Is there a peaceful approach to convince the aggressor to back down? Right now the leaders in government are acting like a psychotic testing the boundary of how much they can get away with.

      4. The democrats are an existential threat to our constitutional republic. If they are willing to unconditionally surrender without incident, great. Then there can be mercy for most of them. Since that won’t happen, the blood that spills will be on them.

        The lives of every democrat aren’t worth the freedom of one American.

      5. It’s simply stupid. Mask up – vax up – put the pandemic behind us and there won’t BE any “mandates” or “vax credentials” required because AMERICA will have control of it. Just like polio, rubella, smallpox, measles, shingles, pneumonia, whooping cough…get real people. Stop contributing to your own conspiracy theories and let’s get past this.

        1. Life seems difficult for you, almost you never should’ve been born.
          Man up, and correct that mistake

          1. I thought it might be a parody account. It seems too stupid to be real.

        2. Just stop. This is not going if enough people mask or vax. And I must have missed the crackdowns on civil liberties or the “passports” with polio, measles, etc.

          1. **going TO STOP if enough people**

      6. Each and everyone of us has a responsibility to simply refuse to comply. It’ll be hard. In some cases impossible. I wouldn’t expect anyone to give up their job or ability to support their family. But short of that, just don’t comply.

      7. Sooo…you gonna be upset when they have to “flatten a curve” by cancelling the election next year?

    4. Not only do most people not deserve freedom; most people are at least suspicious of freedom if not hostile.

    5. COVID is just a red herring.

      that is the absolute truth; we have done this to ourselves…

    6. The irony is that the people going around saying “enough carrot, time for the stick” have no idea that they sound just like the “I just need consent to look inside your trunk…you say ‘no’? oh ok, well, I am going to anyhow…me asking you nicely was just so I wouldn’t look like a fascist brute..”

      Ultimately, if you are going to force something you were previously asking for, it was always about the force, the coercion. I have seen so many comments akin to “enough carrot” to realize the inner authoritarian runs so strong in a large percentage of the population.

  5. an administration that embraces coercive measures to achieve its goals

    You’re writing like this is a new thing. “coercive measures to achieve goals” have been part of government for centuries. It sucks, and I oppose it, but I don’t get the sudden pearl-clutching.

    1. its a matter of scale and scope. perhaps that aspect might have been made more obvious but it goes without saying that government power is coercive – its just a matter of how much of your life will be coerced and how conscientiously they will prosecute their goals. The clue is in the title – Freedom dwindles \ permissions (req) grows.

    2. “I don’t get the sudden pearl-clutching.”

      So you’ve been sleeping through the last 7 months?

    3. How about we talk about trends, and stated (and unstated) goals. Its one thing for a society and government to aim for minimal controls and coercion, while supporting liberty as a fundamental good, and quite another thing when people dismiss liberty as an anachronistic impediment on their path to a statist utopia.

    4. Is that because you don’t get evolution of all organisms? Don’t be a host.

      1. I have a fool proof solution for you. Just take a sealed plastic bag, put it over your head, and then tie it tightly around your neck.

        You will never get sick again, and the virus will have zero chance to mutate.

  6. Should’ve voted for Jojo

    1. I did. Regretting not throwing in with the bad orange man the last two runs, seeing the results.

      1. If only there’d been any warning before the election.

        1. Since there is no longer a line between sarcasm and prophecy:
          https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

        2. If there were some way to check Biden’s political career, his voting record… To see the number of self-aggrandizing lies told while he boasts. the bullying, the threats, the barely restrained pedophilia. It’s a pity there wasn’t some concrete video record of this that was black and white vs open to speculation, cough, pussy grab.

          1. BUH BUH BUH – get vaxxed and mask up instead of incubating/spreading the next variant.

            1. You’re a pussy, mick.

        3. Honestly, I figured Trump had it, and I was casting a protest vote against establishment politics.

          Never imagined Biden/Harris would be more popular than Obama with the right people.

      2. B-b-b-b-b-bad orange man? Orange Man Bad?

        Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

        We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!

        See The Atlantic article by using the below search-string in quotes:
        “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…

        https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/

        He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!

        All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

        Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

        Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!

        We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!

        These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!

        1. Ask your mom for another special pill.

          1. A shame his mother didn’t miscarry.

          2. Hell, I want one. That shit is potent.

        2. asshole spastic gets a flag!

  7. The Lord Trump will be back in power any day now, and this will all come to a sudden, screeching HALT! (There was NONE of this before Der BidenFuhrer stole the elections!)

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-punts-timeline-for-trump-retaking-power-as-august-conspiracy-theories-get-wackier
    MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier

    The Lord Trump didn’t return to us as scheduled, but the Second Coming is now re-scheduled. You can TRUST us THIS time, for sure!

    The Lord Trump DID return to us faithful ones, but He did it in an invisible way! Hold strong in your Faith in Him!

    The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, this is true! It only did NOT happen because YOU were not faithful enough, and didn’t send Him enough donations!

    The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, but He DID miraculously protect us all from the VERY worst forces of Evil, which is Der BidenFuhrer! Hold fast in your Faith… Lord Trump will come back soon now! Especially if you send more money!

    The Lord Trump moves in Mysterious Ways! All will be revealed SOON! Especially if you have Enough Faith to DONATE till it HURTS!

    1. You’re almost sounding reasonable this morning.

      1. Sock?
        Generic meds taking a bit longer?
        The world wonders.

        1. Maybe he’s cycling between mania and depression; like a psychological equivalent to a slack tide.

    2. asshole spastic gets another flag!

    3. Even Voldemort fell, and so will Trump.

  8. Maybe you shouldn’t have spent the last 18 months in full, unthinking support of the DNC and their marxist shocktroops. A bit of buyer’s remorse doesn’t absolve you of your error, this is what you wanted now I have to love through it you POS.

    1. “love through it”?

      Typo?
      Great sarcasm?

      1. I think embracing the power of and is appropriate here. The alternative is embracing the Stockholm Syndrome as demanded and unlike Biden and Pelosi, my brain still functions and operates in the real world.

  9. Welcome to Weimerica. Guess what comes next?

    1. Papers, please.

    2. https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/eviction-moratorium-a-postmortem-on-private-property/

      A dangerous precedent has been established. If eviction moratoriums are deemed a lawful intervention, why shouldn’t the seizing of private property be used to quell future “crises”? Will the current fallout include landlords abandoning the industry, or will rents be raised to offset uncertainty risks as speculated by Jeff Deist? How do members of a society continue to confidently form agreements when the trust associated with contract enforcement erodes?

      1. Oh, and Biden admin upped food stamp benefits by 25%, largest ever increase

        1. Because of that “HAPERINFLATION” you guys love to yap about.

          1. So everything doesn’t cost more than it did a year ago where you live?

            1. Some things do because the economy fell into the shitter in 2020.

              But using 2015-2019 average pricing? We’re about the same.

              But commodities are not increasing. Gold is down a lot. Silver and copper down. Lumber spiked but is now back below $500 (normal).

              Coffee and beef are up because of climate disaster/heat.

              Oil is $65/bbl. It hit $142 in 2006 and $85 in 2012.

              Wall Street thinks inflation is just a blip and they are correct.

              1. Stagnation is good.

              2. Lol. The pedophile thinks people eat gold and silver.

                1. Der JesseBahnFuhrer would NOT mind if we confiscated its house and inflatable dolls… Because, after all, you can NOT eat your house OR your inflatable dolls!

              3. By the way pedo, you’re full of shit trying to protect biden like usual.

                https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

              4. I question your limber number.
                The plywood I need to “refresh” my back porch is $50.00 a sheet, not the $23.00 it was when I got the first estimate pre-virus.
                (on the other hand, to be sure, it peaked at $68.00)

                1. 2x4x8s are back down to 3.23 ea, 2.99 for treated. Plywood will get back to $30s by Tgiving, before climbing back up.

                  1. The other thing to watch out for is the price staying the same, but the 2×4’s getting more and more crooked, and full of knots and other flaws.

                    It’s like cereal boxes in the grocery store staying the same size, but the weight of the cereal in the box creeping down.

                    1. Mike the posts I bought for fencing where twisted and knotty so good observation. It took a lot of digging to find semi decent stuff for the fence.

                    2. Yeah, the construction lumber at Home Depot or Lowe’s is largely crap. To get decent lumber I go to a real lumberyard, and end up paying more.

                2. I question his beef/climate assertion. Heat/drought and demand whiplash causes a sell-off in supply, depressing prices. As has been hashed, rehashed, and re-rehashed; processing, not basal production, is the problem with beef. Besides, one hot/dry season is weather, not climate.

                  1. I’m pretty sure the scientific standard is “If it contraindicates warming, it’s weather; if it supports warming, it’s climate.”

                    It’s like how, since AGW predicts more extreme weather events, every extreme weather event confirms AGW, since (unspoken term in this formulation) there were never extreme weather events absent human inputs.

                    It can also only be scientific to note all the “record-setting heat conditions” as proof of warming, and disregard that NON-record-setting hear conditions are unreported.

                    Such valuable “science+politics” methods have accurately predicted the uninhabitable hellscape we currently live in. (mid-August high desert conditions: 70 degrees and drizzly, non-record setting)

              5. You’re a pedophile. You should be executed for your crimes. But you’re a coward, and a snake.

              6. ^Cult-like thinking. But I am assured that only rightists are cultists…

              7. Wall Street likes the Fed buy 120 billion in Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities every month (1.44 trillion per year) to keep interest rates at 1.25% when inflation is at 5%. Who’s gonna buy bonds now?

            2. Stock market’s going gangbusters: did you think for even a millisecond that the vaccinated, fully health care covered corporate oligarchs care? It’s a sterling excuse to raise prices, & create exclusivity.

            3. Firewood is up 25%. Gas is up 100%. Building materials more than that. Ammunition somewhere around double as well. Buttplug gauges inflation on how much his annual NAMBLA membership dues increase.

          2. turd lies. It’s what turd does. If turd posts, it is a lie.
            turd is a pathological liar and too stupid to understand that he is.
            turd lies; it’s what he does.

        2. All us old farts hope that number holds until the social security inflation adjustment

          1. If we can’t drain the swamp, we can at least drain the vault.

    3. “Welcome to Weimerica. Guess what comes next?”

      In Weimerica, Ashli Babbitt is WELL on Her Way to become the NEW Horst Wessel!

      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/theres-word-what-trumpism-becoming/619418/
      There’s a Word for What Trumpism Is Becoming
      The relentless messaging by Trump and his supporters has inflicted a measurable wound on American democracy.

      From there…

      Two traits have historically marked off European-style fascism from more homegrown American traditions of illiberalism: contempt for legality and the cult of violence. Presidential-era Trumpism operated through at least the forms of law. Presidential-era Trumpism glorified military power, not mob attacks on government institutions. Postpresidentially, those past inhibitions are fast dissolving. The conversion of Ashli Babbitt into a martyr, a sort of American Horst Wessel, expresses the transformation. Through 2020, Trump had endorsed deadly force against lawbreakers: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted on May 29, 2020. Babbitt broke the law too, but not to steal a TV. She was killed as she tried to disrupt the constitutional order, to prevent the formalization of the results of a democratic election.

      SQRLSY back now… Those who try to steal democracy worry me a LOT more than those who steal fancy sneakers or televisions!

      1. No, no. She was just there to take selfie’s and got confused about where the velvet ropes ended.

        1. Now that is funny.

          She thought it was like filming a movie – she never fathomed she would be shot for felony illegal entry to the WH. The one that got trampled to death never thought her own would crush her beneath their feet either.

          1. It is illegal to kill someone over a property crime (since the Capitol is not someone’s home). That was settled in Tenn vs Garner and has been the standard for law enforcement and the courts for decades.

      2. Trump has hit a new low with his new tack of promoting the martyrdom of Ashli Babbitt.

        1. https://www.axios.com/trump-ashli-babbitt-justice-call-2f2b9156-df6d-470f-bc4e-75d2e6ccd9cb.html

          Trump calls officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt a “murderer”

          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!!! Justice for Host Wessel!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel

          1. And Mike Pence will fall in line and not say a word.

          2. and one more

          3. Trump’s just looking for attention again. Ignore him.

            1. Wish we could safely ignore him, but there’s a good chance he will run for president again in 2024.

              1. Which might interfere with your preferred outcome of another Biden victory.

        2. Yet he’s still miles above Biden.

      3. ‘Nother spastic flag

    4. Wheelbarrows full of deutschmarks?

      1. Buy your wheelbarrow while you can still get one without needing a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy it.

    5. Glory

  10. But hey, still no mean tweets!

    Seriously though, is Reason ever gonna own the fact that Biden’s one-party-order goverment is making Trump look like a bleeding liberal now? It’s absolutely incredible how quickly Joe has fucked things up. Obama was right… We underestimated him.

    1. If only Joe Biden had a campaign platform page where we could have seen him openly espousing these ideas. If only we had seen the media and DNC spokesmen rage at trump from not using federal powers he didn’t have to lock down the country and force masks. If only we could have seen the CDC choosing models as the basis of its advice instead of actual data like the Princess cruise or the non correlation of mask/lockdowns and the spread of covid.

      1. The problem with his platforms are that they’re really only steps in passing. That, and he’s still a resident of the great state of Unaware.

    2. The Koch-funded libertarians of Reason.com wanted Biden to win because they predicted he’d be better for billionaires than Drumpf. By that standard the Biden Era is going even better than expected.

      #InDefenseOfBillionaires
      #LibertariansForBiden

      1. Too much truth. Put on the other sock.

    3. making Trump look like a bleeding liberal now?

      He always was.

  11. And to no one’s surprise, the Democrats, both politicians and rank and file, are the ones embracing these requirements. In fact, the rank and file’s proposals make those of the politicians seem positively libertarian in contrast.

    1. True. It should not surprise anyone that the Party of the Administrative State favors more, bigger, and more intrusive regulation of private life. Wilson and Herb Croly were open about wanting to run every individuals life with administrative regs a century ago.

  12. “If the Biden administration does eventually require proof of vaccination as a condition for traveling within the United States”

    I guess you forgot all about last year when Texas and other states were actually banning travel into their states? You’re all afraid of something that already happened. The federal govt could require a vaccine to use public transit but they’re not gonna regulate individuals traveling by car.

    1. Trump bragged about his travel bans. The riff-raff has orange-colored glasses on.

      ITS OKAY IF TRUMP FUCKS US!

      1. Its funny how the people hated everything Trump did now say Trump did it so its OK to excuse everything that Biden is doing

      2. Ahh yes. Youre too fucking dumb to understand international travel, an actual power of the federal government and internal travel between states.

        Are you unto CP because you share the same education level as your victims?

      3. You’re stupid. You also rape children. Kill yourself.

      4. turd posts lies. It’s what turd does. If turd posts it, it is a lie.
        turd is a pathological liar and far too stupid to understand that.
        turd lies.

    2. That’s very nearsighted of you.

  13. 1. Remember; driving is a privilege, not a right.
    2. Please remember, when you praise “the vaccine”, that there are no FDA approved vaccines for the Communist Chinese Virus.
    3. Please remember, when you call for “universal” vaccinations, that none of these requirements, private or public, have admitted to the proved fact of natural immunity in survivors, and that there have been no formal studies of the effect on those individuals of receiving any of the “emergency use exception” vaccines.
    4. Please remember, fascism is a bad thing.

  14. I think some form of secession is the only logical way forward. The country needs to split up. New Hampshire would make a fine country.

    1. Let’s do the opposite of session; run LA and San Francisco and NYC and Seattle and Portland out of the country.
      (easiest start, port cities)
      If that doesn’t help, move on to Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia.

      1. “…run LA and San Francisco and NYC and Seattle and Portland out of the country.”

        I am fine with the sentiment, but curious about the details. While I am well armed by any standard, I’m getting a little on in years for the war thing. Perhaps I could reload ammo and work in supply for the troops?

      2. Just get rid of the hardcore leftists. Forced expatriation would get them far away from America. It works if we make the practice of Marxism a capital crime, like it should be.

        1. forced expatriation… helicopter rides over the pacific sound about right

          1. Or cram them into cargo containers and dump them off in Antarctica.

  15. This is what you campaigned for, JD

  16. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1427242954687614989?t=r4V1N5jRE_SQ0vz-LqIqyA&s=19

    This was Biden, just days before Afghanistan collapsed under his watch. [Pic]

  17. The administration had already announced that it plans to require foreigners traveling to the United States to be vaccinated

    Well, not all foreigners.

    1. Duh. People who walk here are not actually foreigners, just nomads or something.

      1. Proto-citizens.

  18. I’m enjoying how our LAMESTREAM MEDIA is dumping on Biden for leaving Afghanistan yet ignores the pattern:

    Bush signs Cut’N’Run agreement for Iraq – Obama takes blame for ISIS.

    Trump signs Cut’N’Run agreement with the Taliban – Biden takes blame for crater left.

    Republicans are geniuses at fucking things up and blaming others.

    1. Given that Biden reversed Trump’s policies from day one–why is this situation any different?

      1. You gonna fight and possibly die for a central Afghan govt that surrendered without a fight? We should have never stayed in the first place or alternatively we should have never attempted to build a central Afghan govt and instead focused on arming and supporting regional and local sources of existing power bases in Afghanistan. Ultimately we should have just gotten out a long time ago.

        1. No. I was against the occupation of Afghanistan when it started. Rather, given the reality that a withdrawal was necessary and previous governments had failed to do see to it, Biden was responsible for carrying it out. This could have been planned MUCH better. Surely you’re not arguing this was handled well? There was time to get everybody out, and remove or destroy the military equipment.

        2. We’re headed home. Good.
          When we get get home, parking in the driveway and walking in through the front door is usually a good way to do it.
          Alternatively, we could get home and total the car by crashing it through the living room.
          Totes the same since we arrived at home, right?

          1. The Afghans who need us are lucky we’re even still there to evacuate them. Trump had us out by May. We wouldn’t even be there to evacuate anyone had Trump’s plan be followed.

            1. Are you talking about the ones falling from planes?

            2. We should have never stayed in the first place

              The Afghans who need us are lucky we’re even still there to evacuate them. Trump had us out by May. We wouldn’t even be there to evacuate anyone had Trump’s plan be followed.

              “We should’ve never stayed.” and “We should stay until every last friendly civilian gets evacuated.” are inconsistent statements/goals. I’d say you’ve proven yourself competent somewhere between Biden and Trump, but both of them have (had) teams of military advisers around them. And that’s including the fact that at least one of them wanted to stay until Afghanis adopted feminism.

              1. “Feminism with a sharia face.”

        3. Biden should have had an evaluation plan that didn’t leave millions of dollars on military equipment to fall to the taliban.

          1. Another example. Earlier this year biden signed an eo disallowing foreign maintenance workers for the afghan military. Most of their aircraft was not functional during the taliban advance.

            1. Sounds like fortuitous ignorance. The warlords will spend millions repairing the planes so they look badass, but will continue to be unable to utilize them.

          2. The Taliban even got Blackhawk Helicopters!!

        4. “”You gonna fight and possibly die for a central Afghan govt that surrendered without a fight?””

          The last few words explain it. The Afghan army was never a fighting force that would fight for their country. The Afghan people were never into the idea of having a unified country in the way western people think about one. Now it obvious for all to see.

          Afghanistan is to blame for the current condition of Afghanistan. Not Biden, not Trump. You get the government you deserve.

    2. OK, after Impostor Buttplug made an appearance yesterday, this is 100% Real Buttplug. He knows that all the bad things that happen when Democrats are in charge are actually the fault of Republicans. Just like violence in Chicago should be blamed on neighboring red states and their insufficient gun laws.

      #LibertariansForBiden

    3. Ds and Rs are both fags: the former pitches, the latter catches. And libertarians like to watch.

      1. Best comment of the year so far.

        1. He wasn’t talking about kids, you pervert.

        2. Courtesy of a literal National Socialist, no less.

    4. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Barack-Obama/Wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan

      “Throughout his presidential campaign he had argued that the focus of U.S. military efforts should be in Afghanistan rather than Iraq.”

      How’s that going?

      It’s not like democrats just haven’t had a chance to influence policy here in the last year, or the last 20 years.

      1. Obama’s only mistake was not declaring victory and packing up after the OBL kill.

        1. OBL kill?
          Hate to bring you the bad news but bin Laden aka Tim Osmun, died in December of 2001. Confirmed.
          Sorry to spoil your little orgasm but the entire so called raid was nothing more than a dog and pony show. A farce. A side show complete with freaks.
          Didn’t happen.
          And the dumbed down American people fell for it.
          All of it.

    5. Shocking. The biden cultist blames trump.

    6. Libya. Entirely on H Clinton and Obama. And, the single largest factor in destabilizing the region, and building up ISIS in Africa, you partisan drone. The clusterfuck in Syria, all Obama. And, the US was still in Iraq until well after Obama. If you’re going to argue, start with facts.

    7. Bush had status of forces as part of the withdrawal. Obama pulled all.

      Trump had May 1 exit in a negotiated treaty with evacuation plans for interpreters, etc. that assisted the US. Biden changed the substantially attempted to change the agreement, then extended the deadlines. Interpreters left hanging – literally.

      In both cases, the disasters that happened/are happening could have been avoided.

    8. “I’m enjoying how our LAMESTREAM MEDIA is dumping on Biden…”

      turd posts lies. It’s what turd does. If turd posts it, it is a lie.
      turd is a pathological liar and far too stupid to understand that.
      turd lies.

  19. Quick, someone tell the Afghans how much they’re missing out by rejecting “western” democracy!

  20. Congratulations, Reason. You got exactly what you wanted.

    1. “Free minds and free markets”? You call this “free minds and free markets”? More regulations and more Government Almighty controls (and with it, more Government Almighty for those who disobey) = = “free minds and free markets”?

      Where did you go to stupid school? Or was it evil school, or both?

  21. And now the Afghanis have way less freedom or safety. But, Reason only cares about western people’s liberties. Couldn’t care less others. ‘F’em we got ours. Now, let’s try get dope and sex work legal cause I want to do hookers and heroin. Afghan is sunk cost (and we never should of been there to begin with). Girls and gays were stupid to be born there. They asked for it,’ Reason opined.

    Let’s see how this works out.

    1. Freedom in its true and historically-understood sense means A) the absence of foreign domination and B) mastery over one’s desires. The finance/UN-backed puppet regime in Afghanistan was conducive to neither.

      1. Right, F’ you, it’s your fault you aren’t free.

        Still, I get that we went on a boondoggle, and bought a pig in a poke, whatever description of damn fool crusade you want to make out of post Taliban removal 2002-2003 Afghanistan. I do not know what a good out come would or could have been. It seems like it should be better than this.

        We f’ud up entering, staying and leaving. Every decision made this worse.

        But the Reason sanctimony, ‘We told you so! You should have cut and run a long time ago because then America (us) would be better off!’ sticks in my craw.

        1. Don’t people have the right to live in an Islamic theocracy if they want to? Clearly that’s what most people in Afghanistan want. That’s why the Taliban’s takeover has been so swift and the resistance almost non-existent.

          1. Key phrase ‘If they want to’

            1. “When polled by armed squads of Taliban fighters going door-to-door, 95% of Afghans agreed that a strictly Islamic government and sharia law would be best for Afghanistan.”

    2. Wow, it seems to me that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth! The only way I can resolve it, maybe, is, “Don’t go there to these shitholes to force freedom on them. Shouldn’t be there in the first place. But once we are THERE, we can check out, but we can NEVER leave! Hotel ShitHoleifornia! A previous administration screwed up, and got us IN? Now we can NEVER leave! Certainly not till perfection is attained and locked up solid!

      Is that what you meant to say? It is what it sounds like to me!

      1. No, I can see we made mistakes. Reason’s position is just heartless sanctimonious know it all. Let them enjoy getting what they wanted. Except, I don’t think they care. It’s just brown people (not ours) perishing in poverty and tyranny.

        Maybe they should try to figure out where there opium comes from? I guess they are hoping the price drops with new management trying to buy influence.

        1. OK, thanks, I think I understand your stance better now.

          A good read here!!!

          https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/08/16/afghanistan-history-taliban-collapse-504977

          Why Afghan Forces So Quickly Laid Down Their Arms
          Opposing Afghan factions have long negotiated arrangements to stop fighting — something the U.S. either failed to understand or chose to ignore.

          The grunts on both sides of a war often have sneaky little back-door arrangements to NOT fight one another! Thank God or Government Almighty, or whatever you may believe in, there are LIMITS to human blood-thirstiness!

          1. two flags for the asshole spastic!

    3. They got what they wanted. So will we.

    4. But, Reason only cares about western people’s liberties. Couldn’t care less others.

      Not even Western Peoples’ liberties. They don’t give a shit that Mexicans can’t own guns and Bailey was calling for people to get tested and document their results before the end of ‘two weeks’.

    5. I might agree with you if there were no cost to our involvement in Afghanistan. But there has been a huge cost, in dollars and in dead and wounded American soldiers.

  22. I will say this: the memes coming out of this Afghanistan fiasco have been great

    1. Of course they are. The Afghan warriors were heroic when they liberated their nation from the Bolshevik slime 40 years ago and are doubly heroic today. Yesterday saw courage and valor triumph over the rotted corpse of postmodern decadence. The rainbow flag has fallen, never to rise again.

      1. The British, General; don’t forget the British.

  23. I think Biden’s toast next election.

    1. He should be.

      Unless the Con Man wrestles the GOP nomination again that is. Then Biden’s corpse could win.

      1. I’m sure that whoever replaces him could be worse.

        1. I’ve learned not to say “They’ve finally hit bottom.”

      2. More lies from turd; it’s what turd does.

    2. Joe does like toast. Best with a little grape jelly.

    3. Biden’s toast 2 years and 1 day into this term.

    4. Well, whatever. The fact that you guys acted so horribly because you couldn’t get Trump’s dick out of your ass crack is the reason we’re all stuck with an Alzheimer’s patient for President and Bernie Sanders on the Senate Rules Cmte. Fuck you Brian. This is all your fault. Try not to act like a dick worshiping Dear Fucking Leader’s awesome bod. It’s turning everyone— especially suburban mom’s— off.

      1. “…The fact that you guys acted so horribly because you couldn’t get Trump’s dick out of your ass crack…

        Commie shit, your erotic fantasies are of interest to no one here.

      2. So you dusted off your original sock. Lovely.

        You pay your mortgage yet?

      3. “It’s your fault for not voting for the hag in the first place. It was her turn!!!!”

        Karen still finger wagging after four years.

  24. https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1427254721736228870?t=UjT7UAkyLjm01iFQ9nvpmw&s=19

    U.S. troops fatally shot at least two armed men who approached U.S. forces at the airport security perimeter and brandished their weapons per U.S. officials to NYT.

  25. https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1427130424669745153?t=ROvE4ojV5ozYuyLf6T6DEA&s=19

    The DHS is more concerned about Americans who oppose COVID lockdowns than actual terrorists slipping into America from Afghanistan.

    1. Democrats love Muslim terrorists. They’ve spent decades enabling them.

  26. “Freedom of movement within and between states is constitutionally protected”

    Consti-what?

  27. IF YOU DIDN’T VOTE FOR TRUMP THEN YOU WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN! IT’S YOUR FAULT! TRUMP WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN! REASON CAUSED THIS BY BEING MEAN TO TRUMP! IT’S ALL REASON’S FAULT!!! AAAUUUGGHHH!!!

    1. Always good for a laugh! It would be funnier if it wasn’t so accurately true of the Troglodyte Tribal Mind.

      1. “Moonrocks
        August.16.2021 at 9:04 am
        Congratulations, Reason. You got exactly what you wanted.”

        “Nardz
        August.16.2021 at 9:00 am
        This is what you campaigned for, JD”

        “Longtobefree
        August.16.2021 at 8:36 am
        Vote for fascists, get fascism.”

        1. Yep. Reason pushed for all of this all last year. So?

          1. sarc seems to think posting correct comments somehow makes his point.
            sarc is a fucking lefty ignoramus.

        2. sarcasmic
          August.16.2021 at 10:24 am
          Flag Comment Mute User
          “Moonrocks
          August.16.2021 at 9:04 am
          Congratulations, Reason. You got exactly what you wanted.”

          But seriously, tell us about that ironic sandwich recipe you discovered last week.

          “Hey guys I had this great sandwich today. I stuck two pieces of bread over some homeless guys dick and ate it today. Isn’t that clever you Trump cultist? Har har!!!”

    2. Youre broken. You still can’t even criticize Biden now. Lol.

      1. He never will. He is their pet.

  28. We have a polarized tribal society. If Trump says to do something all the Red Wingers will do it without question. If Biden says to do something all the Blue Wingers will do it without question.

    Constitutional issues are irrelevant. This is tribalism. Democrats WANT to be ruled over by strong men. Republicans WANT strong men to rule over others. It’s really the same.

    Remember when Trump said we was in charge and could overrule any governor with regards to the pandemic? He never pushed hard enough for it to be tested, but he did claim that power. Biden is merely exercising the power that Trump said the presidency has. Two sides of the same coin. A red side and a blue side.

    A power mad president is exactly what Team Red was clamoring for four years.

    Limiting the power of the presidency regardless of the color in office is something only wackadoodle libertarians would suggest.

    1. Brandybuck nails it again! Good job Brandybuck!

      1. spaz flag for another TDS-addled asshole.

    2. I’m sure this comment will earn many hateful attacks that I won’t read because I’ve got the trolls on mute.

      1. The truth hurts, doesn’t it you broken drunk?

    3. Team Red and Team Blue will both angrily deny it, and then say that not having a strongman in power is “impractical”.

      1. Sexist all of them!
        We have a strong WOMAN in power.
        Kween Kamala is out there every day talking to the people, explaining how well she is handling the border, the magnificent withdrawal from ‘Trump’s war’, the necessity of free speech for open debate, how well the economy is responding to the benevolent spending sprees, and all the other day to day ways the democrats have improved our lives.
        Oh, yes. And how much tweets have improved.

    4. Remember when Trump said we was in charge and could overrule any governor with regards to the pandemic? He never pushed hard enough for it to be tested, but he did claim that power.

      Trump said a lot of nonsense. What matters is what he did.

      A power mad president is exactly what Team Red was clamoring for four years.

      You say a lot of nonsense as well.

      Limiting the power of the presidency regardless of the color in office is something only wackadoodle libertarians would suggest.

      You don’t say! What have you actually done about it? Nothing but empty posturing, while enabling authoritarians to come into power.

    5. If Trump says to do something all the Red Wingers will do it without question. If Biden says to do something all the Blue Wingers will do it without question.

      That totally explains all the black red wingers who refuse to get vaccinated just because Biden says so.

      We don’t have a polarized society. We have a political faction enacting all-or-nothing policies that are polarizing and a media any sympathisers colluding, knowingly or not, to portray refuseniks as polarized.

    6. Democrats WANT to be ruled over by strong men. Republicans WANT strong men to rule over others.

      More like the Dems want strong men/women to rule over everyone else. Repubs want strong men/women to stop the Dems from ruling over everyone.

      1. “We brought in a tiger to defeat the lion. Now we have a tiger problem.”

        1. Hey, Brandyshit! You got what you wanted.
          Fuck off and die.

    7. “We have a polarized tribal society…”

      Yes, we do, Brandyshit. TDS-addled assholes like you trying (and failing) to justify your idiocy.
      And us.
      Stick your TDS up your ass and fuck off and die.

  29. But that’s how rights become privileges, one ostensibly well-intentioned incursion at a time.

    Not to be too pedantic, but rights never become privileges. They become violated.

    1. Hear! Hear!

  30. Civil War Part Deux coming to a neighborhood near you very soon.

    1. There isn’t going to be a civil war over this. After a few decades of indoctrination, Americans are ready to fully embrace authoritarianism/totalitarianism; like Europeans, they can’t imagine any other form of government anymore. The only question is how bad it’s going to get.

  31. I miss the good old days when you pussies would throw hissy fits and call Trump the next hitler and whine about democracy dying.

    No, wait, I actually much prefer you straight up bootlicking actual auhtoritarians because it helps your billionaire backers destroy the working class.

    This rag is worth less than nothing to this country.

  32. One aspect that everyone always misses is that children can’t get the vaccine. So, a vaccine requirement for interstate travel is de facto a ban on children crossing state lines. Just another example of the government responding to a disease that nearly exclusively effects old people by taking it out on people too young to vote.

    Also, the fact that these ideas are even being discussed right now is really making a mockery of the FDA’s drug approval process. Technically, there is no fully approved vaccine available now that has gone through the full analysis that vaccines for every other disease have gone through. No, the BLA process isn’t going to discover anything that we haven’t already learned after the world has administered a billion doses and I have full confidence in the vaccine. However, why should ANY drug have to go through the BLA process, if the government is so confident in the EUA process that it is willing to effectively mandate the vaccine? Libertarians have been complaining for a while how onerous the new drug approval process is, and, by its actions, even the federal government is de facto admitting that it views the process as unnecessary. So, why not let every drug for every potentially fatal illness be sold while the FDA dots i’s and crosses t’s?

    1. “One aspect that everyone always misses is that children can’t get the vaccine. So, a vaccine requirement for interstate travel is de facto a ban on children crossing state lines.”

      If you are very literal in your conjecture of how a travel ban would be written up. Pretty obviously, they would make an exception for children who cannot be vaccinated.

      1. Not all that obvious. They never consider those who have recovered.
        Why would they consider the children, They are only useful as an excuse “for the children”.

        1. Yeah, far more obvious is the fact that, for 18 mos. they haven’t been thinking in front of their noses and making it up whole cloth as they go along. Masks, then no masks when they’re going to cause a shortage, then masks for everyone and nothing less than N95 will do, then the vaccinated don’t need to wear masks sometimes, now everyone should be wearing masks again.

          Two weeks to slow the spread, herd immunity is the goal, everyone get vaccinated, herd immunity is no protection.

          Contact spreading, no contact spreading, but stay 6 ft. apart and sanitize everything always, unless you’re a peaceful protestor, then sanitize and mask when not in large crowds but beware of church, Xmas, and Thanksgiving, grocery stores and restaurants (despite traditionally being nexuses even for BBPs) don’t need to sanitize everything always, and, again, the vaccinated needn’t worry unless we say they do.

          Also, don’t worry about the vaccines integrating into your DNA, they can’t. Except when they do, as a good number of other viruses have done since before humanity climbed down from the trees.

      2. Sure, I suppose they could implement it that way. Seems to me that cuts down on the public health argument a bit. This group of unvaccinated folks is okay to travel, but… this other group of unvaccinated people is so dangerous they can’t cross state lines. But maybe, they ignore that and totally exempt under 12 anyway. Which is great if you are 3. How does the average 11 year old prove they aren’t 12 though? Also kind-of sucks if you are planning to travel within 5 weeks of your 12th birthday.

    2. “I have full confidence in the vaccine.”

      You’re an idiot.

      1. Why? I have close to zero respect for the CDC, but I don’t think even they could screw up collecting data on breakthrough hospitalizations/deaths too badly. Effectively nobody gets hospitalized/dies due to COVID after being vaccinated. This has been confirmed in a variety of jurisdictions inside and outside the US.

        1. I don’t think even they could screw up collecting data on breakthrough hospitalizations/deaths too badly.

          They’ve been screwing it up since the beginning.

          It’s been over 15 yrs. since hurricane Katrina, do you think FEMA runs like a well-oiled machine now?

          1. Screwing up a test kit is exactly the type of screw up that I expect from the CDC. When all they have to do is collect reports from health providers, I expect that they’ll be able to get that right… eventually. Anyway, every heath system and every country is reporting the same thing. The number of vaccinated folks hospitalized for COVID is miniscule.

            1. See Florida Department of Health COVID numbers from last week.

            2. The number of vaccinated folks hospitalized for COVID is miniscule.

              That conclusion (not saying it’s yours) doesn’t jive with the calls for booster shots.

  33. Yeah, Target now makes you wear a mask (and doesn’t enforce it) to get into the store. Thus, tyranny. JFC, watch right-wingers bitch.

    1. Target can do as they please, they won’t shoot me if I shop elsewhere.

    2. It mostly sucks for the employees, who briefly got to skip wearing masks all day.

      1. This is the case. Kroger is making employees mask up again.

    3. Those guys still in business?
      Ain’t been there since they let rapists in the women’s bathrooms.

    4. A perhaps better definition of tyranny is when you are forced to show your papers before you are allowed to participate in indoor activities like bars and restaurants.

      1. Like government-issued age verification documentation?

        It would be a freer society if kids could go to bars. That’s true. At least, in a narrow way.

        1. I don’t need age verification to shop for groceries or eat in a restaurant, Hitler.

          1. But you do need books to be able to navigate the modern world without seeming like a ridiculous pube.

            Why not just think about things using your own brain. Laura Ingraham’s is taxed enough as it is.

            1. Shitstain seems to be drunk again; that pile of bullshit probably made sense after killing a 5th.

          1. Anyone who tries to take away my right to vote on false pretenses literally deserves to be shot in the face.

            -T. Jefferson

            1. Pretty sure Jefferson never uttered those words, but I am sure that Biden uttered the words “It’s not Constitutional but fuck them.”

        2. Shitstain lies. Period.

      2. Now do voter ID.

        1. You’re the ones supposed to be against unnecessary government papers. That’s what this started with.

          Do you people have brains?

          1. Shitstain can’t see a difference between showing medical records and showing that you are capable of voting.
            But shitstain never set standards for ‘thinking’; it’s hard!

          2. This is a full contact sport. The fact that you literally have no defense against your own edicts being used against you tells us how serious you are about said edicts.

            1. I’m against forcing people to pay for photo IDs in order to access the franchise.

              I’m for restrictions on movement and vaccination requirements for the purpose of ending a deadly global pandemic.

              The beautiful thing about being a halfway educated person instead of an indoctrinated rube is that I can have these positions simultaneously and there is actually no problem whatsoever.

              1. Tony
                July.7.2021 at 1:57 pm

                It would be a mistake to take my posts too seriously, as I have no deeply held beliefs.

    5. Commie kid, have you ever posted in good faith? Do you have the mental capability to understand what that means?
      Pay your mortgage, fuck off and die.

  34. The recipe for a fascist is to take one liberal and add power. That’s what happens when your personal liberty supersedes everyone else’s.

    People that try to reason their way around inalienable rights, like free speech and the right to life may do so thinking it’s all about their liberty to censor social media or kill a fetus only result in becoming fascists themselves.

    The inconvenient truth that you don’t want to consider is that we are only protected when we protect the inalienability of rights.

  35. I get it. You have to whine about something. And while we continue to be photographically raped in order to get on an airplane due to a dubious assessment of public risk from scary brown people, it is a difficult hill to die on when we’re talking about sanitation measures during a pandemic. Medieval morons may not have understood what a virus was, but even kings didn’t put their liberty of movement ahead of their desire not to die from one.

    “How to Be a Libertarian in a World Where Pandemics Exist.”

    There’s your interesting headline. Explore some thought for once, why don’t you? Spending your whole life trying to confirm the silly little dogma you’ve attached to yourself, in ludicrous contrast to the world around you, is one of the saddest things I can think of.

    But since we all know this “philosophy,” which bears no resemblance to any actual political philosophy written in a respected book, is just performative cover for a lobby for minimizing Charles Koch’s tax bill, it’s not so sad after all. Payment for service. Hey, we’re lucky if we can get a job doing something ethical. I certainly have made compromises in my day.

    Though I would absolutely resign any job that required me to feed an anti-science narrative for the political interests of the Republican party. Let’s not be ridiculous.

    1. “I get it…”

      Not possible.

  36. In other news water is wet

  37. “White House officials say Biden wanted to initially operate with restraint to ensure that Americans were ready for the strong-arming from the federal government.”

    Let’s thank Reason Magazine again for working so hard to help our new Leader come to power!

    1. There is almost no limit to the power of the federal government you would welcome into your rape hole if the president had an (R) after his name.

      All of you are liars, and this is all a sham.

      1. I’m not a Republican and I didn’t vote for Trump.

        I am observing that Trump didn’t try to intrude into my personal life or liberty much; Biden is pushing for one authoritarian proposal after another.

          1. Higher taxes, mask mandates, lockdowns, stricter environmental regulations, anti-discrimination laws, etc.

            1. Well, see? Shitstain asked for ONE!

            2. I said name something authoritarian.

              1. And shitstain proves again to be unable to understand definitions!
                Way to go, shitstain!

                1. But you didn’t.

                  1. Since you are a socialist/fascist, you obviously have trouble recognizing authoritarian policies.

  38. Rule of law public opinion.*

    * AKA “the mob”

  39. “Note that this isn’t about the wisdom of getting vaccinated; let’s stipulate that vaccination for COVID-19 is effective and generally a good idea.”
    No let’s not stipulate to that. The mRna shots are not vaccines. They do not prevent infection nor do they prevent transmission. At best they are a medical treatment that temporarily reduces the odds of serious symptoms. In case you haven’t noticed the government is already preparing for at least a third round of shots with the likelihood of many more to follow. The cold hard fact is that the “vaccines” do not work as advertised. The majority of the covid deaths in Israel with a 90% vaccination rate are of vaccinated individuals. And the current cases on are track to double the last wave in January.
    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1425789960746115076?s=19
    Click the link in the tweet for the story from the TimesofIsrael.
    If you still think these shots are effective as vaccines you are not paying attention and shouldn’t be writing articles on the subject.

    1. Meanwhile there is an existing medication that has defeated the Delta variant in parts of India but the the peer reviewed, published analysis are being censored.
      https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html
      “There is a blackout on any conversation about how Ivermectin beat COVID-19 in India. When I discussed the dire straits that India found itself in early this year with 414,000 cases per day, and over 4,000 deaths per day, and how that evaporated within five weeks of the addition of Ivermectin, I am often asked, “But why is there no mention of that in the news?”
      The graphs and data from the Johns Hopkins University CSSE database do not lie. On the contrary, they provide a compelling trail of truth that no one can dispute, not even the NIH, CDC, FDA, and WHO.
      Never mind that Ivermectin would save more lives with much less risk, much less cost, and it would end the pandemic quickly.
      Let us look at the burgundy-colored graph of Uttar Pradesh. First, allow me to thank Juan Chamie, a highly-respected Cambridge-based data analyst, who created this graph from the JHU CSSE data. Uttar Pradesh is a state in India that contains 241 million people. The United States’ population is 331 million people. Therefore, Uttar Pradesh can be compared to the United States, with 2/3 of our population size.
      This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths – which we know were Delta Variant – down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol.
      By comparison, the United States is the lower graph. On August 5, here in the good ol’ USA, blessed with the glorious vaccines, we have 127,108 new cases per day and 574 new deaths.
      Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin.
      It is not even close. Countries do orders of magnitude better WITH Ivermectin. It might be comparable to the difference in travel between using an automobile versus a horse and buggy.

      1. Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]
        COVID Daily Cases: 26
        COVID Daily Deaths: 3
        The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]
        COVID Daily Cases: 127,108
        COVID Daily Deaths: 574
        Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:
        Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
        COVID Daily Cases: 61
        COVID Daily Deaths: 2
        Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
        COVID Daily Cases: 24
        COVID Daily Deaths: 0
        Now let us look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin.
        Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.
        Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.
        Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fullyvaccinated]
        COVID Daily Cases: 1,997
        COVID Daily Deaths: 33

        1. Yea, seeing those numbers it’s hard to argue against

          1. Also check the CDCs article on ivermectin.
            It’s transparently mealy mouthed that try to sound like it’s arguing against it but doesn’t actually make any argument.

              1. Guess it was fda, but could’ve sworn it was cdc when I read it originally. Wasn’t easy to find, had to go through a fact check article

                https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

                Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

                COVID-19. We’ve been living with it for what sometimes seems like forever. Given the number of deaths that have occurred from the disease, it’s perhaps not surprising that some consumers are looking at unconventional treatments, not approved or authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

                Though this is understandable, please beware. The FDA’s job is to carefully evaluate the scientific data on a drug to be sure that it is both safe and effective for a particular use, and then to decide whether or not to approve it. Using any treatment for COVID-19 that’s not approved or authorized by the FDA, unless part of a clinical trial, can cause serious harm.

                There seems to be a growing interest in a drug called ivermectin to treat humans with COVID-19. Ivermectin is often used in the U.S. to treat or prevent parasites in animals. The FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses.

                Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin
                FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
                Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
                If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.
                Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.
                What is Ivermectin and How is it Used?
                Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea.

                Some forms of ivermectin are used in animals to prevent heartworm disease and certain internal and external parasites. It’s important to note that these products are different from the ones for people, and safe when used as prescribed for animals, only.

                When Can Taking Ivermectin Be Unsafe?
                The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway. Taking a drug for an unapproved use can be very dangerous. This is true of ivermectin, too.

                There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. That is wrong.

                Even the levels of ivermectin for approved uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.

                Ivermectin Products for Animals Are Different from Ivermectin Products for People
                For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans.

                Moreover, FDA reviews drugs not just for safety and effectiveness of the active ingredients, but also for the inactive ingredients. Many inactive ingredients found in animal products aren’t evaluated for use in people. Or they are included in much greater quantity than those used in people. In some cases, we don’t know how those inactive ingredients will affect how ivermectin is absorbed in the human body.

                Meanwhile, effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid crowds.

                1. Oooh…”multiple reports of people being hospitalized after taking Ivermecting”.

                  Multiple= >1?

                  Also, “we have received multiple reports of people being hospitalized after watching Golden Girls. The FDA has not assessed the risk factors involved in watching Golden Girls. Oooga. Booga.”

            1. Is it FDA approved?

                1. But not for this indication. Which is fine. Off label use is legitimate. At this point there is no convincing evidence that it makes a difference. There are in vitro studies demonstrating inhibition of viral replication but at a much higher dose than approved for humans. So it gets a maybe.

                  1. Except the data from India

                  2. You are either uninformed or lying but either way you don’t know what you’re talking about. There’s all kinds of data on ivermectin. Clinical, observational studies, RCTs and meta analyses.

                    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/

                    1. You mean like the vaccine?

                      Okay, which Weinstein brother has stock in Iverme-whatever?

  40. I will hand this to Reason, they’re no longer claiming we’re in the libertarian moment.

  41. ” With every step, we lose a little more of our freedom to do as we please and find ourselves stuck with the crumbs of whatever we’re allowed. ”

    If only we had listened to this guy when he warned us about stop signs, mandatory vaccination for elementary school students, traffic lights, clothing requirements, center lines, tax deadlines, ‘no parking in intersection’ signs . . .

    1. If only the asshole bigot had a brain!
      But then, he wouldn’t be the asshole bigot, would he?

      1. You keep ranting — so long as you keep doing what guys like me tell you to do.

        Thank you for your continuing compliance, clinger.

        1. “You keep ranting…”

          Your projection is amusing, asshole bigot.

  42. You used to be able to meet your friends at the gate when they landed, and have lunch or dinner with them in the airport restaurants. Now you have to wait by baggage claim and there are no restaurants, maybe a Starbucks or some knock-off.

    You also used to be able to take your own bottled water with you and not have to buy it on the airport concourse for 6 bucks.

    1. Airports were fun then. People went just to shop, eat and hang out. Now they are a nightmare. It was part of the flight when your family or whomever greeted you as you got off the plane.

      Took my mom for her flight back after her last visit. At least the TSA guy let her through the express line for security. The other one looked like an hour. He asked if she needed an assistant to get her to the gate but she didn’t want that.

      Meanwhile my close family here has been affected by a breakthrough case. So the four of them including the kiddos have been in quarantine for a week or so. No fun but a week or more out of work, school, and activities. Plus at least one of them being sick. This sucks.

      1. Yeah, when I was very young, there was an observation deck level at LAX. Anyone could go there just to watch the planes.

  43. “That’s not to say they won’t be implemented in the future, as public opinion continues to shift toward requiring vaccinations as a means to restore normalcy.”

    Two weeks to flatten the curve, then we can Return to Normal.

    1. Will they still be blaming the unvaccinated in a couple months when our ICUs are filled up with mostly vaccinated people?

  44. Proof of vaccine to vote.

    Make a cogent argument against that idea.

    1. +100

    2. You don’t need proof to cross the border. “Fuck you, that’s why!” not cogent enough for you?

    3. First of all, has such a thing been proposed by anyone?

      1. No, I’m proposing it, and asking why it’s a bad idea. I have just read a veritable REAM of articles from the establishment media, hundreds of twitter posts, and comments from local residents in my area regarding vaccine passports, and they are aggressively in favor of vaccine passports to navigate public life in almost every capacity– while studiously avoiding the “systemic racism” angle given the fact that the black population in the US is one of the lowest-vaccinated demographics.

        So, why not, given the justifications for passports in many other areas of public life. If not, why not?

        1. Because it’s systemically racist.

        2. OK, argument against your proposal: No need to take away someone’s right to vote, even if a state were inclined to impose crazy strict rules about unvaccinated or unmasked people stepping foot in a polling place, since they could easily be accommodated with mail-in or absentee voting.

    4. The only arguments that count as “cogent” to you are ones that give the nearest Republican a small erection.

      1. the only ‘arguments’ that count as “cogent” to you are lies.

    5. Not necessary as the Democrats will make certain that anyone can vote-illegal, felon, dead people, non-citizens, six year olds, and vote more than once.

  45. As if there is any way they could possible enforce a travel ban between states without a vaccination. It’s absurd at face value, given that there are not check points between states nor is it likely they’ll be able to do so.

    Then again, forcing businesses to check everyone’s drivers license at point of sale with a nearby cop might do the trick. And god help you if you’re pulled over for a broken tail light or something.

    Maybe defunding the police wasn’t such a bad idea in retrospect, but we’ve heard precious little from those people since all this started. Curious, since you would expect them to be shouting about this constantly. Guess the media decided to stop listening for a bit since it no longer works for those in power.

    1. As if there is any way they could possible enforce a travel ban between states without a vaccination.

      Why do you think that’s impossible?

      1. Enforcement would be imperfect, but how many people tossed in jails — with vehicles seized and forfeited — would it take to encourage compliance?

        1. What’s wrong with that. 20% protection is better than 0% protection.

        2. Asshole bigot creaming his jeans over authoritarianism!

      2. Because it would require a way to put checkpoints, and man them, at every possible road between every state in the United States.

        Simply put, there are not enough police and no infrastructure to support such an action. It would take years, perhaps decades, to put those in place.

        There aren’t enough border guards at our international borders, so there’s little reason to think there will be enough for our interstate borders. Especially given that our internal borders are much, much, much more extensive than the international borders.

        In short, basic logic and reasoning determines this is not possible.

        1. I should at least note that this doesn’t mean they won’t harass people and ‘catch who they can’ through what little resources they have to do so. I.E. pulling over anyone with an out of state plate, or other similar garbage propositions.

          Even then, limited personnel means there will be trade offs and I’m not so sure that every sheriff and cop in the nation would even come close to enough and they would need to stop responding to ANY other crime in order to even half ass do the job.

        2. Why not remove the border patrol from the border and reassign them to the most important borders: Those between the states. If Canada can do it, we can do it.

    2. Why would local and state police be enforcing a federal travel ban? At least in sane states?

  46. If the Biden administration does eventually require proof of vaccination as a condition for traveling within the United States, it will be moving just a little bit further down the path to making this country one based not on individual rights exercised at will, but on permission dispensed from above.

    It’s unconscionable they are even talking about this. All for vaccines that give you about 6 months of immunity at best. But muh orange Hitler!!

    1. You should see what they won’t admit they’re talking about.

  47. Biden’s speech was literally predicted this morning: Hello. Something something, not my fault. Something something, can’t plan for everything that happens. Something something Trumps fault. Something something, Afghans have to take some blame. No questions. I’m out of here.

  48. America died Nov 2020.

  49. quote: “a bonanza for government officials, allowing them to extend authority that they then exercise with relatively little oversight or restraint”

    Not quite. Those “government officials” have not “extended” their authority, they have usurped authority never theirs nor ever intended to BE theirs. And they have totally scrapped the Constutitoinally prescribed methods of enacting LAWS which are binding. NONE of these mandates, requirements, etc are lawfully enacted. Further none of them are consistent with “the supreme law of the land”, which is the US Constitution and all laws ENACTED INA ACCRODANCE WITH THAT. We ALL hav e the RIGHT to “freelty associate”, whether the one with whom I wish to freely associate lives in BarHarbor Maine or National City California, or Nome Alaska. ANYTHING that restricts or qualifies that right is UNconstitutoinal.

    Some time back, the “Unka Joey” of the day decided he’d play a modern day Beto O Rourke. he said HELL YES we’re comning to take your guns”. Except he just told his military force on the QT that he was gonna do that. But, as there is a God in heaven, there was a high level government leak”, word got out about his little plan. In the space of twelve hours, FOURTEEN THOUSAND armed and trained colonial militia took to the field to come against that day’s Unka Joey. It did not go well for him that day. Or the next. Or very well for the ensuing ten years, within which ALL such atttempts to dominate, control, usurp unauthrosied power, control, etc were ended. Unka Jey of that day loaded his minions on ships and headed back home. They tried again fourteen years later, and we did the same to them again.

    That “vaccine” is no vaccine at al, it is an EXPERIMANTAL gene theiapy that has NOT been tested in accordance with current laws. Nor is it anywhere near as effective as “they” claim it to be. Further, the number of deaths and serious adverse rectioins to that injection now rival the toll of the alledged disease it is supposedly able to cure. or prevent. Howeve,r the manufacturere,s. all three of them, refuse to claim the juice they squirt into your armactually prevents anyone contracting the disease, or transmitting it to anyone else. The ONLY claim they make and stand behind is that it MAY lessen symptoms somewhat if/when you DO get the “dread disease”.

    That’s not a srtong enough reqard or upside when I consider the KNOWN and seroius downside and adverse responses daily adding up.

    Internaitonal Law (Nuremburg protocols), Federal laws, and most states also have their own laws that PREVENT any
    “experimental” proceedure or medicine being made mandatory. And if getting the poke is a precondition to exercising ANY of my RIGHTS as named and protected under the US or any State Constitutoins, it is a violatioin lf law. WHEN will enough Americans wake up and just say NO?

    1. We haven’t been a Constitutional Republic almost since the ink dried on its signing. We have incrementally become an administrative state, ruled by non-elected bureaucrats influenced by wealthy individuals/interest groups, chosen by corrupt “elected” officials, bought off by the same, and with Socialist/Communist principles introduced and codified in laws enacted by both political parties.

  50. The LP desperately needs an Arvin Vohra-type at the next Presidential election to drive this point home, *forcefully*, over and over and over again. We failed miserably with Marian the Librarian the last time – a nice and genuine person but one who never rocked the boat, never raised her voice, and never made a single wave.

  51. A lot of the loss of freedom is to satisfy demands for diversity. Ethnic diversity erodes social trust, so we need bureaucratic assurances instead.

  52. “We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”

    – Ayn Rand

    1. The agenda of all secret societies.

  53. Over at The Atlantic, a former Obama official is explicitly saying that “flying is not a right” but a privilege that can be restricted by the federal government. That’s not surprising with the “terrorist” no-fly lists, which frequently mistargets innocent people, but now the no-fly list will be extended to anyone who doesn’t get a vaccine.

    Personally, I think people who refuse to get the COVID vaccine are suicidal idiots, but I also think the idea of the federal government prohibiting interstate travel is tyrannical.

    1. Personally, I think people who refuse to get the COVID vaccine are suicidal idiots

      A 0.1% chance of death should you get infected vs a novel, unproven, unapproved vaccine with an unknown rate of side effects?

      1. IFR rate for COVID is in the 0.5-1.0% range, while hundreds of millions of Americans have been vaccinated with only a handful of related deaths.

        I’ll take my chances with the vaccine.

        1. IFR rate for COVID is in the 0.5-1.0% range

          That’s average across all populations.

          I’ll take my chances with the vaccine.

          How nice for you, and that may well be a good choice for you if you’re fat and old.

          However, people making other choices are not “suicidal idiots”; their risk/benefit tradeoffs are different from yours.

    2. Tyranny succeeds only when useful idiots support it. Obviously, you have bought into the wannabe controllers of all of human life (or deciding who lives and who should be exterminated) propaganda that this non-vaccine is going to save you from dying. No wonder this country is going to be China West sooner rather than later.

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  55. Quick question: What rights do we not have now that we had before Covid? Just curious.

    1. Quick question: How do those boots taste?

    2. Breathing and talking without a diaper on your face.

  56. A twist on Abbott & Costello’s Who’s On First.
    “You can’t come in here!”
    “Why not?”
    “Because you’re not vaccinated.”
    “But I’m not sick!”
    “It doesn’t matter.”
    “Well, why does that guy get to go in?”
    “Because he’s been vaccinated.”
    “But he’s sick!”
    “It’s all right. Everyone in here is vaccinated.”
    “Wait a minute. Are you saying that everyone in there is vaccinated?”
    “Yes.”
    “So, why can’t I go in if everybody in there is vaccinated?”
    “Because you might make them sick.”
    “How will I make them sick if I’m not sick and they’re all vaccinated?!”
    “Because you’re unvaccinated.”
    “But they’re all vaccinated!”
    “But they can still get sick.”
    “So what does the vaccine actually DO?”
    “It vaccinates.”
    “So, vaccinated people can’t spread Covid?”
    “Oh, no. They can spread Covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.”
    “I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore! Look, I’m not sick!”
    “OK.”
    “And the guy you let in IS sick.”
    “That’s right.”
    “And everyone in there can still get Covid even though they’re all vaccinated.”
    “Yes.”
    “So, why can’t I go in again?”
    “Because you’re unvaccinated.”
    “I’m not asking you who’s vaccinated or not.”
    “I’m just telling you how it is.”
    “Never mind. I’ll just put on my mask.”
    “That’s fine.”
    “Now can I go in?”
    “Absolutely not.”
    “But I’m wearing a mask!”
    “Doesn’t matter.”
    “I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.”
    “I know.”
    “So, the mask is no good anymore?”
    “No. It’s still good.”
    “But I can’t come in?”
    “Correct.”
    “Why not?”
    “Because you’re unvaccinated.”
    “But the mask prevents germs from getting in or out.”
    Yes, but people can still catch your germs.”
    “But they’re all vaccinated!”
    “Yes, but they can still get sick.”
    “But I’m not sick!”
    “You can still get them sick.”
    “So then, masks DON’T work?!”
    “Masks work quite well!”
    “So how can I get vaccinated people sick if I’n not sick, and wearing a mask?!”
    “Third base.”

    1. +1, pretty well done.
      “And Watts in left field?”
      “The bullpen.”
      “WHAT?”
      “He’s the left fielder.”
      “Is he vaccinated?”

  57. So the masses have not yet been programmed completely to accept that they need to be willing to give up their freedoms, rights and possibly destroy themselves. But programmed enough so that you will accept that every business, institution, and different rules by governors that decide you will not have access to them unless you have injected your body with a substance that no one knows what damage it may cause.

    What a brilliant exercise (planned) never tried before to enslave people because this method of control needed the necessary technology and willing killers in science and medicine to pull it off which hadn’t yet been available to past totalitarians.

  58. time to throw the tea into the ocean

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  60. You keep saying “In Government’s good graces” like it’s an arbitrary bar to reach by being vaccinated. It’s not arbitrary, and the outbreaks of COVID that are occurring right now shows why this level of freedom isn’t without our grasp. Everyone wants freedom, but nobody wants the responsibility that comes with it. When honor systems don’t work because nobody has honor, the only way to protect the health of the vulnerable is through mandates. We would have the freedom you described if we’d just do what is necessary to earn it.
    You also keep talking about being vaccinated like it’s difficult to achieve. Vaccines for COVID are free and plentiful. Anyone who wants a vax can get a vax. It takes very little time and no money, and most people can get vaccinated in less time then it takes to cast a vote in an election. So we’re not talking about privileges where the bar is difficult to achieve.

    1. You do realize that your argument consists of “Well, it’s easy to attain a government-approved level of freedom, just submit to government!”, don’t you?

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  62. Nudging vaccination is simple: Allow all health insurers to set free-market rates based on vaccination status. When you see the prices for your choices, you’ll make wiser decisions without any fascist holding a gun to your head or limiting your other freedoms.

    1. Sweet. Can I have my insurance rate based on the fact that I’m unvaccinated, AND a 40-year old 5’9 120 lbs, clean bill of health, exercise, high vitamin D level, low cholesterol, low blood pressure, and I already had covid and have antibodies? So what would my rate be compared to an obese 40-year old with a plethora of chronic health issues who is vaccinated? Yes, basing health insurance rates on vaccination status alone makes PERFECT sense.

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