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Hawaii Limits Indoor Social Gatherings to 10 People. Will More States Follow Suit?

Hawaii Gov. David Ige issued an executive order yesterday imposing a raft of new restrictions on businesses and social gatherings.

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Hawaii is bringing back a whole swath of pandemic restrictions on social gatherings and businesses in response to rising COVID-19 cases on the island.

On Tuesday, Hawaii Gov. David Ige, a Democrat, issued an executive order limiting indoor social gatherings to 10 people, and outdoor gatherings to 25 people. Restaurants, bars, and other "social establishments"—in addition to abiding by those gathering limits—must also require patrons to be seated and masked when not actively drinking or eating. Mingling between parties is expressly prohibited.

Indoor capacity at those establishments, as well as gyms and other "high-risk" activities, is limited to 50 percent. (It's not entirely clear to me whether this half-capacity cap supersedes the indoor gathering limits bars and restaurants are also supposed to comply with.)

"The dining rooms can only hold 50 [percent] capacity, where most restaurants and your financials are all structured around 100 [percent] capacity," said Hawaii Restaurant Association Executive Director Sheryl Matsuoka to Civil Beat. "You only have 50 [percent] of your income, but then you have to pay 100 [percent] of your bills."

Restaurants were already required to operate at 75 percent capacity, Matsuoka said.

Ige's executive order allows for "professional events"—which the Honolulu Star-Advertiser says includes weddings, meetings, banquets, and conventions—have to follow state and county rules regarding their operation, but not the new state gathering limits. Organizers also have to consult with counties when hosting an event with more than 50 people.

A dashboard run by the state's Emergency Management Agency shows that 65 percent of ICU beds in the state are occupied. The state has been averaging one COVID death a day for the past several months. Some 60 percent of Hawaiians are fully vaccinated, and almost 70 percent have received at least one shot.

Nevertheless, Civil Beat reported today that intensive care units (ICU) in a number of hospitals in the state are at or nearing capacity thanks to a surge in new COVID-19 patients. In Florida, a surge in delta variant cases has since been followed by a huge, and still rising, surge in COVID deaths. It's plausible the situation in Hawaii will get worse soon.

Thus far, most states and localities that have reimposed COVID restrictions have stuck to mandating indoor masking or requiring that patrons of restaurants and other establishments show proof of vaccination.

Hawaii's return to imposing limits on small gatherings—especially when statewide ICU capacity is still in good shape and COVID deaths are low—is a worrying sign that more states might soon start dredging up pandemic regulations we thought were behind us.

It doesn't appear Hawaii state officials have put much more thought into these restrictions since the last time they were imposed.

It's pretty widely accepted that requiring people to wear masks when entering a restaurant but not while they're sitting there talking and eating for an hour is useless. Limits on outdoor activities are also considered to be ineffective.

Likewise, imposing different limits on the size of gatherings depending on where they're happening doesn't appear to make much sense. Is a 40-person wedding really less dangerous than a restaurant patio filled with 30 people?

Ige's order is supposed to end on October 13, unless the governor chooses to extend it.

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  1. Hawaii Limits Indoor Social Gatherings to 10 People. Will More States Follow Suit?

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  2. “Some 60 percent of Hawaiians are fully vaccinated, and almost 70 percent have received at least one shot.”

    Further proof that the vaccines must not be effective?

    1. It’s an unfalsifiable proposition.

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    2. Herd immunity is achieved when 134% of the population have received both shots of the vaccine, plus the Fauci Booster(tm).

      1. The Fauci Booster is a suppository, and you’ve been receiving it regularly since last March.

    3. Apparently they are reasonably effective against COVID virus. But not so good at holding back the petty politicians with control boners.

    4. Blame the unvaccinated tourists.

      1. Tourists are required to test negative or be vaccinated. If you don’t want to get infected, hang out with tourists. They are statistically the least likely to be infected.

        The stats show that very few infections are “travel related” in Hawaii.

        Bonus stupid:

        Hawaii has only had a few weeks of excess deaths (1 week a year is expected because the definition is having above 95% percentile deaths).

        Hawaii still has the fewest deaths per capita (suck it Vermont).

        Hawaii still has CON laws for medical facilities. It isn’t too big of a deal because the hospitals are not full.

        Most infections are among people living together. So, the new rules cannot possibly have a large impact.

        Hawaii shut down hiking trails and beaches long after everyone knew that outside, sun, and humidity made transmission very hard.

        1. “Most infections are among people living together. So, the new rules cannot possibly have a large impact.”

          Exactly. Which “might” also be why masks don’t seem to have much impact on community spread. Nobody is wearing them at home.

          1. We wear masks to protect the ones we love! That’s why we wear them everywhere but home.

          2. Which “might” also be why masks don’t seem to have much impact on community spread.
            Plus, they have no effect on virus transmission in any situation.

  3. Aloha means goodbye.

  4. In related news, Rand Paul was banned from Youtube for opposing the Biden regime’s official mask narrative. The level of regime involvement with this decision is unknown, but I’m sure something something Private Company.

    1. Actually, not even for opposing, just for pointing out some masks are more equal than others.

      1. Questioning The Party is the same as opposing The Party.

      2. Pointing out that cloth masks are ineffective (which has been long known) is now considered “misinformation”.

  5. Hospitals are almost full, but if you read the article linked only 10% are hospitalized for COVID. Doesn’t quite jive with the panic in the headline.

    1. From that same article, the Big Island has 24 ICU beds, 22 are full, 9 of which are covid.

      It’s easy to add hospital beds via cots, tents, etc. Not so to add ICU (and covid patients are apparently very labor-intensive and much longer average stay than normal patients).

      And native Hawaiians/islanders are far more likely to be obese

      1. And native Hawaiians/islanders are far more likely to be obese
        Racist.

  6. Oh hey the conspiracy theorists were right again.

    At what point do the commenters simply start their own Substack?

    1. henceforth, conspiracy theories shall be known as spoiler alerts.

  7. In an unrelated story, the governor wonders why tourism revenue is dropping so fast.

    1. He’ll just say to himself “It’s that darn Fox News! And that blasted Tucker Carlson!”

    2. Hard to “both sides” anything that happens in Hawaii.

  8. Saw that coming. I see it spreading. People in the restaurant and hospitality businesses had best be making ready. Likewise with independent professional musicians who will be losing venues to play in.

  9. Hawaii Limits Indoor Social Gatherings to 10 People. Will More States Follow Suit?

    Yes, especially those states run by authoritarians that can only get hard by cracking down people’s freedoms. Which is most if not all of them.

    1. I wonder if that explains Cuomo’s friskiness…..

  10. Indoor capacity at those establishments, as well as gyms and other “high-risk” activities, is limited to 50 percent. (It’s not entirely clear to me whether this half-capacity cap supersedes the indoor gathering limits bars and restaurants are also supposed to comply with.)

    The lack of clarity is by design. That way they can selectively enforce the regulations.

    1. Has any study shown that these kinds of public gatherings were “high risk”?

      1. The first wave in Korea was from a Chinese woman who went to two (presymptomatic and then symptomatic) church services. That led to roughly 5000 covid cases.

        The Biogen conference in Boston in Feb2020 had 99 participants. By a year later, those contacts and contacts led to about 300,000 positive cases.

        A guy dressed as Santa (presymptomatic) went to a nursing home in Belgium last Dec. He tested positive a few days later. 130 people were infected – 27 of whom died.

        The early stuff in Singapore, Germany, New Orleans were all public gatherings. Sweden banned gatherings of 500+ in early March2020, 50+ in late March2020, raised to 300+ in summer2020, reduced to 8+ during Xmas2020, raised back up to a few hundred by May2021. It may lift all that this fall but it has always rationalized those restrictions explicitly and publicly on covid hospital burdens.

        1. But Obama parties are completely OK because – – – – – – –

        2. If a conference with 99 people led to 300,000 cases, we should have trillions dead by now.

  11. “We have to say to people, ‘Look, there’s a consequence if you choose not to get vaccinated, and you can’t participate in the public square quite the same way you could otherwise.'”

    Exactly how can you participate in the public square if you HAVE been vaccinated? Exactly. Show your work.

  12. Just throwing it out there, but if we make Puerto Rico a state, maybe we should consider giving Hawaii its independence at the same time to even things out.

    1. I’m surprised they still have the flag of the British Empire on their state flag.

      1. Maybe they’re proud of killing Captain Cook?

  13. On Tuesday, Hawaii Gov. David Ige, a Democrat, issued an executive order limiting indoor social gatherings to 10 people, and outdoor gatherings to 25 people.

    USS Arizona hardest hit.

    Sorry.

    1. After hearing the news, the tour guides there were left with a sinking feeling.

      1. As if suffering a surprise attack from an Asian nation.

  14. So 65% of ICU capacity is filled. What’s the normal ICU use? Is it significantly less than that?

    If I was running something that regularly had less than 65% use, then I’d think that I built too much capacity.

    1. That’s the major problem — well, one problem — with hospitalization stats.

      Hospitals don’t have a lot of extra beds anymore. They tend to want to run at higher occupancy as it’s more efficient. So it takes only a few cases, or maybe a handful of nurses or doctors no longer working, to hit these levels that fear mongering headline writers love.

      One big question that SHOULD be asked is, if the government was so damned scared and so certain this plague was going to be with us this year, why, after 18 months, haven’t they planned better for these surges? Somehow it’s MY fault, and I have to respond, but the central planners dictating my lifestyle and what businesses stay open haven’t figured out how to handle any extra cases in the hospital in the last year and a half.

      1. Build up extra capacity? What kind of insurrectionist talk is that?!?!?

  15. Wrong question. Try this:

    Hawaii Limits Indoor Social Gatherings to 10 People. Will Elites Follow Suit?

  16. Get vaccinated. Then tell the government to fuck off.

    1. Get vaccinated, if you want to. Tell the government to fuck off.

      1. Rosa Parks should have given up her seat and told the govt to fuck off.

    2. Brandy what happens after this? When does the mandate part end? After booster 1 will you come back here and say the same thing or after booster year 20?

    3. That’s not the aloha spirit.

    4. I’ll tell the government, and brandybuck, to fuck off – regardless of vaccination status, pussy.

    5. Great idea. You can see it’s working out quite well for all those people who’ve already done that.

  17. On Tuesday, Hawaii Gov. David Ige, a Democrat, issued an executive order limiting indoor social gatherings to 10 people, and outdoor gatherings to 25 people.

    Of course, this order contains strict legal definitions of ‘indoor’, ‘outdoor’, ‘social gathering’, and ‘people’, right? RIGHT?

  18. How long until Hawaii’s Governor has a “It wasn’t Me” Moment?

  19. So will they arrest you and then throw you in prison with lots of other people for violating the arbitrary 10 people rule?

    That sounds like a good leftist policy that only a left liberaltarian could love.

  20. Correct that many of the restrictions make no sense; they appear to be inept compromises that avoid more effective but less popular measures like banning indoor gatherings between private households. But again libertarian ideology cannot reckon with this kind of foreseeable danger. We don’t want to wait until ICU capacity is overwhelmed to take action; we want to prevent that! So we take measures BEFORE the predictable crisis hits, while everything still appears “normal”.

    1. There was seventeen months to develop the infrastructure to rapidly expand ICU capacity in the event of an emergency.

      1. Good point. Every time a wave subsides we assume the whole thing is over and take no precautions against the next wave. No one in power is treating this seriously.

  21. henceforth, conspiracy theories shall be known as spoiler alerts.

  22. What is it with this subset of anti-vaxxers demanding these restrictions?

    If they are so afraid of COVID-19 swine flu measles mumps polio whatever, they should stay home until vaccinated.

    Why do they want to disrupt other people’s lives to avoid getting sick?

  23. Democrats don’t follow their own orders. Evict all of them from office.

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