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L.A. Council Members Propose Draconian, Unenforceable Vaccine Passports

Los Angeles County is largely vaccinated. This is a punitive, authoritarian performance.

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A couple of Los Angeles City Council members have decided not to be outdone by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio's recent vaccine passport mandate. On Wednesday, they announced they were introducing their own.

L.A. City Council President Nury Martinez and Councilman Mitch O'Farrell have introduced a motion instructing the city attorney to draft an ordinance requiring people in Los Angeles to provide proof of at least one vaccine dose in order to enter any indoor spaces "including but not limited to restaurants, bars, retail establishments, fitness centers, spas, and entertainment centers such as stadiums, concert venues, and movie theaters."

There is no actual scientific or safety justification for such a demand. The motion itself notes that more than 70 percent of Los Angeles County residents over the age of 16 have gotten at least one vaccine dose. Hospitalizations and deaths in Los Angeles due to COVID-19 are indeed rising again, but they're nowhere near where they were before vaccines became available. Hospitalizations won't reach that spot again precisely because more than 70 percent of residents are at least partly vaccinated.

Rather, this is all an exhaustingly performative forceful "nudge" to try to make the vaccine holdouts comply and get shots. Martinez frames it all in the most judgmental, insulting way possible in a statement.

"Enough is enough already," Martinez wrote. "Hospital workers are exhausted, moms who have put aside their careers are tired, and our kids cannot afford the loss of another school year. We have three vaccines that work and are readily available, so what's it going to take? Our kids are about to return to school, and the unvaccinated are putting their lives at risk every day. Ask your questions, talk to your doctor and get the vaccine. Let's put this behind us."

It's worth noting that it's the school district's fault kids haven't returned to school. It has bent the knee to teachers unions using the pandemic as a negotiation device and deliberately exaggerating the risks. In other words, Martinez argues that the vaccination passports are needed to stave off future lockdowns, but the lockdowns are themselves a result of government mandates, and if Martinez wants to avoid lockdowns, Los Angeles can just…not have them. The people who Martinez wants to get vaccinations are freely choosing to expose themselves to disease risks.

Her quote is also a bit of a head-scratcher because she seems to think that vaccine passports are some sort of method of putting the pandemic "behind us" and ending its imposition on vaccinated Angelenos rather than the reality that she's proposing a vast, new, difficult-to-manage information mandate that is going to be a nightmare to both roll out and enforce in such a massive city.

The Los Angeles Times is diplomatic when it notes, "It also remains to be seen how such a mandate could be reasonably enforced in a city the size of Los Angeles—one that has often fallen short in carrying out its stated rules."

Let's be clear here: The city consistently drops more balls than a juggler having a seizure when it comes to actually carrying out policy. After voters legalized recreational marijuana, it took years for Los Angeles to get its act together and roll out a business-licensing system to actually allow more storefronts to open, resulting in a continued black market and essentially a continued drug war fueled mostly by high taxes and incompetent bureaucracy.

When the city finally legalized street vending in 2018, even given a year to prepare, the city was apparently unable to actually set up a system that would put permits in the hands of the people who needed them. The city could not adequately provide a piece of paper to guys who wanted to sell hot dogs. Officials think they're going to implement and enforce a policy where every Angeleno provides proof of vaccination and every single store and venue in the city is able to efficiently check them? Nonsense.

In a way, it should be a relief for L.A. residents to know there's no way the city can actually do what Martinez wants and City Attorney Mike Feuer (who is running for mayor) is also encouraging. But that means the policy will likely be ineptly and inconsistently enforced. L.A.'s inability to get its act together to properly license marijuana dispensaries did not stop the city from using its power to force dispensaries to close.

The Times notes that many businesses themselves support vaccine passports so that they can point to the city's ordinance if customers complain or threaten to sue them for denying them service.

What is left unstated with such broad mandates is that some businesses will be better positioned to absorb the costs and burdens of complying with the ordinance than others. Smaller businesses lacking the resources to consistently comply with the policy will inevitably be targeted and punished.

What's also unexplored is the reality that people who are insistent on not getting vaccinated will most certainly figure out how to cheat the system, which will by its nature have to be simple and quick to use. People who are already vaccinated will have to go around constantly proving that status every time they enter a store, and we haven't even discussed how much of a burden this might be to poor people, those who aren't terribly tech-savvy, and folks who don't have smartphones. Meanwhile, the holdouts will easily fake it. Consider how many teens have gotten fake IDs in order to purchase alcohol and enter bars before turning 21.

L.A.'s proposed vaccine passport mandate is authoritarian nonsense that won't prevent the spread of COVID-19, won't encourage vaccinations the way people think it will, and will create a massive bureaucratic burden that will punish both the vaccinated and local businesses.

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  1. The graph must be wrong. That big spike in cases couldn’t have happened last winter, because California had a mask mandate.

    1. Masks mandates cause the spikes.

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    2. Free market libertarianism will resolve all problems created by vaccine passport mandates.

      Fake vaccine cards will be sold for $50, $20, $10 and probably even $5 (after competitors expand) by hundreds/thousands of entrepreneurs.

      Nobody will be able to tell the difference between legit vaccine cars and fake ones. Problem solved.

      1. And you’ll give something for the FBI to do!

        1. Why no one ever starts naming FBI agents?

      2. Nobody will be able to tell the difference between legit vaccine cars and fake ones.

        You managed to fool the SARS-CoV2?

  2. “This is a punitive, authoritarian performance.”

    All authoritarianism is performative, but that does not make it any less real. Even the show trials result in real executions.

    1. Even the show trials result in real executions.

      Nice one. I might have to steal that.

      1. Feel free. It gets the message across quite well to everyone still comfortable laughing at all of this nonsense as if laughter means it isn’t happening.

        1. How far away are we from hearing: Papers please!

          I saw that shit in WW2 movies, or movies that depicted the Soviet Union. Never thought it would ever happen here, the Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave.

          1. The “papers, please” regimen is already here. The question is: “How far away are we from forced detention in prison camps?”

            If I had to guess, five to ten years. But maybe even sooner than that.

            1. When it happens, it’ll happen fast. Jan. 6 ‘Insurrectionists’ are already being held without charge, in solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day.

              1. Americans just aren’t as suspicious as they should be.

    2. This is a punitive, authoritarian performance.

      There’s nothing “performance” about it, it’s real.

      1. Unenforceable Vaccine Passports

        We’ll see about that

    3. yes but Soviets were capable. These schoolmarms don’t have fortitude to win. They will be exterminated in war.

  3. instructing the city attorney to draft an ordinance requiring people in Los Angeles to provide proof of at least one vaccine dose in order to enter any indoor spaces “including but not limited to restaurants, bars, retail establishments, fitness centers, spas, and entertainment centers such as stadiums, concert venues, and movie theaters.”

    Aside from the alarming violation of liberty (which I was told was a conspiracy theory and would never come to this), explain to me how this policy isn’t racist in the most scary way. Show your work.

    1. As many observers have remarked over the past year, “the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality is about six months.”

      1. And the timeframe seems to be shrinking.

        1. They’re just more brazen about it. 2020 was the year the ruling class stopped bothering with hiding their machinations.

          1. Bidan got 81 million votes. Accept this bigot.

    2. Because, according to the mainstream media, it’s only white republicans who refuse to get the vaccine. They’re just racist oppressors, so fuck ’em, amiright?

      1. I think we are headed toward a system where vaccine passports are mandatory for whites only, with blacks categorically exempted, and everyone else with the option to apply for an exemption.

        The totalitarians have to appear to be anti-racist, at least for the near future.

        1. I think we are headed toward a system where vaccine passports are mandatory for whites only, with blacks categorically exempted, and everyone else with the option to apply for an exemption.

          That’s crazy talk.

          1. Good grief. Nice find.

          2. Exhibit A that our dear friends in government might be less than honest about the “deadly pandemic”

    3. “which I was told was a conspiracy theory and would never come to this”

      When I was at the open Ohio protests in April of 2020, I was one of the many that simply wanted to go back to work. But there were a lot of… weirdos… that were making their voices heard. One of them was telling me some really out there stuff, but one thing he also said was, “the government is going to take our rights and then sell them back to us in the form of a license…”

      To paraphrase someone else on this site, this whole COVID thing has turned me into a conspiracy theorist and I don’t feel great about that.

      1. When I was at the open Ohio protests in April of 2020

        You didn’t happen to be wearing a bear costume?

        1. Not me. My sign depicted Dr. Acton dumping out the baby (economy) with the bath water (virus). It seemed that every credentialed photographer took pictures of the sign, but it only showed up in one place that I saw (a Dayton tv station). I think the message was too real for public consumption.

      2. It’s tough to avoid when they keep turning out to be right

        1. Time to get rid of the democrats.

          1. Helicopter rides coming soon

    4. explain to me how this policy isn’t racist in the most scary way. Show your work.

      Demanding that people “show their work” is racist.

  4. and ending its imposition on vaccinated Angelenos rather than the reality that she’s proposing a vast, new, difficult-to-manage information mandate that is going to be a nightmare to both roll out and enforce in such a massive city.

    Never underestimate the government’s ability to ban or regulate something through sheer force of will.

    1. “….. through sheer force of will.

  5. * Looks at plot of Covid *

    I hope one day we can flatten the curve.

    1. Should take about two weeks…

  6. This is racist. How can minorities be expected to get a “COVID Passport” when they can’t even get ID to vote?

    1. The mayor of Boston made a similar argument the other day, which I find to be absurd.

      “By all means, have all the totalitarianism you want, ladies and gentlemen, but only so long as it ruffles the feathers of the whites, exclusively.”

      1. I miss mumbles Menino.

      2. Why do you think whites are being singled out? Maybe due to a historical enmity with the ethnic group at the top of every institution in our society?

  7. Can’t believe Louisiana is doing this.

    1. You can’t imagine the French surrendering?

      1. Except the French got millions out on the streets all across the country to protest vaccine passports, while we Americans sit on our asses

        1. True, but that doesn’t jive with the long standing joke.

          1. Which is cause for concern

    2. Predictable. They are at the highest rate yet. Outside of the major cities the healthcare system is limited. The people have a low vaccination rate although now it seems to be picking up.

  8. >>There is no actual scientific or safety justification for such a demand.

    I bet Bailey could do 5000 words on it in an hour is he still around?

  9. I believe this is what is known as “bayoneting the survivors”.

    1. “The man with the rifle shoots, the man without the rifle follows. When the one with the rifle is killed, the one who follows picks up the rifle and shoots. Coward and traitors that turn away from the enemy will be shot!”

      I think this just about sums up where we are.

  10. “…”including but not limited to restaurants, bars, retail establishments, fitness centers, spas, and entertainment centers such as stadiums, concert venues, and movie theaters.”

    And, of course, it would be up to the businesses to enforce it. Oh, how very nice of those council members.

    1. Sanctuary businesses!

      1. I do suspect that many businesses would ignore such a mandate. Of course, then the police will be directed to go “undercover” to root out such non-compliant businesses, and, somewhere down the line, some folks are going to go to jail, and someone is going to be shot.

        But hey, if it makes some people feel “safer,” it’s all good, right?

        1. Yeah, that’s what happened early on in Baltimore. They sent SWAT teams into bars for breaking the rules, owners got the message.

          1. These Baltimore bar owners should’ve had Wallace and Stinkum standing on the corner to shout “five-oh” when they see the SWAT team coming. (Can you tell I just started watching The Wire?)

            1. Great show. Very accurate portrayal of the city’s problems.

        2. Of course, then the police will be directed to go “undercover” to root out such non-compliant businesses, and, somewhere down the line, some folks are going to go to jail, and someone is going to be shot.

          Shot or choked to death, one or the other.

          1. Any cop dumb enough to enforce these laws deserves whatever comes their way. When every fifth man in the precinct starts getting bag piped, I think they’ll finally get the message.

    2. something something private company.

      1. Yeah. Private. That flew out the window some time ago….

  11. It is a terrible idea. I can’t object if a business wants that but the government needs to stay out of it.

    1. +

    2. business will want the government to step in to give them cover which is how most laws come about

  12. “This is a punitive, authoritarian performance.”

    And what did you expect when the fascists have run CA for so long?

    1. Welch in NYC
      Greenhut in Cali

      The whine, but only because they like to whine.

  13. The people who Martinez wants to get vaccinations are freely choosing to expose themselves to disease risks.

    Except that apparently they’re not freely choosing to assume that responsibility if you tell them – if the hospitals are filled up because of this disease, then you don’t get admitted.

    I still say that solution solves the problem. Don’t need vaccine passports or mask mandates (outside hospitals and maybe schools) or any of this other bs. And as the article says, it’s unlikely that LA will fill up hospital capacity.

    1. You are a monster.

      1. They may be among the last to be dumped in the confines of a shallow, unmarked grave, but dumped they will be nonetheless. That is always the way people like that meet their end.

    2. “are freely choosing to expose themselves to disease risks”

      It’s not evangelicals, it’s not minorities, it’s guys like you who are the real problem:
      https://religionunplugged.com/news/2021/8/3/the-young-and-secular-are-least-vaccinated-not-evangelicals

      1. Isn’t JFree like 60? Insofar as people like him are the problem, it’s that the boomers and every subsequent generation are totally paralyzed by the fear of their own mortality, and want the government to do anything it can to mitigate that risk for them, if only it buys them maybe just a couple more months.

        “WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!” has morphed into, “WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE OLDER ADULTS!!?!?!?”

        My grandmother used to say that life is for the living. We seem to have forgotten that.

        1. Yea, jfree is a boomer.
          Which, based on his college freshman level writing style, was quite surprising to me.

          1. Huh, I thought he was a callow millennial, but an overly entitled boomer makes sense.

    3. Except that apparently they’re not freely choosing to assume that responsibility if you tell them – if the hospitals are filled up because of this disease, then you don’t get admitted.

      For someone who uses the moniker JFree you sure have a strange idea about Freedom. You can apply this argument to a number of bad behaviors that people inflict on themselves daily. Why is this one so special? Oh, there’s a vaccine? Isn’t there methadone for addicts? A cocktail for Aids peeps? Statins for cholesterol? Drugs for high blood pressure? Diets for fat people? Where is it you would like to draw the line on who gets medical help and who doesn’t based on their health choices?
      You are indeed a monster.
      What’s next Mr. ‘Free’ – leper colonies for the unvaccinated?

      1. You got anything contagious that currently has the potential to freeze up hospitals? No? Well golly maybe this isn’t about morality.

        This is about incorporating the costs – to others – of hospitalization. That is being ignored in all the freely choosing to assume that responsibility stuff that focuses solely on death as the outcome. But there is a massive cost in labor-intensive covid patients filling up the ICU for weeks at a time. Not talking money. The cost of some other patient in the hospital who needs ICU or they die. Or someone who will be a patient NEXT week but the ICU is full. Or someone who is now scared to go to hospital because they might become infected.

        If I’m saying something that is unpleasant so be it. I don’t want someone to absorb this info and change the odds of themselves dying. I want them to absorb the info and realize they can solve the problem by getting vaccinated. Either way – it’s their choice.

        1. Except the ICUs aren’t full of Covid patients and never have been. That whole scare tactic was a big nothing burger, just like the rest of this nonsense. If the medical industry was free market then MAYBE we could discuss this option being valid, but they aren’t. Hospitals are basically just another government bureaucracy, and you’re nothing but a statist, which everyone on here knows. You are full of shit.

          1. “…That whole scare tactic was a big nothing burger, just like the rest of this nonsense…”

            Dunno if you were here for it, but JFree was leading the PANIC parade; big sign, posting ‘we’re all gonna die’, so forth.
            Pathetic.

          2. Except the ICUs aren’t full of Covid patients and never have been.

            Mississippi has 8 available adult ICU beds out of 827. 299 have covid patients. The covid number is going up tomorrow. It looks like they actually passed capacity a day or so ago since they are treating covid who should be in ICU in the ER instead. Which means patients headed for ER are soon likely to have to travel further away to an ER – which will cost lives.

            Arkansas has 25 available ICU beds – and 469 covid patients in ICU – 18 up from yesterday.

            The only bright spot is vaccinations are finally skyrocketing in those states. THEY see the problem now. But they are playing catch-up.

            1. Both states are also hemorrhaging medical workers who are a year and a half into serious burdens on them. It looks like staff may be a bigger shortage than beds.

              1. Well why not deny unemployment benefits to healthcare workers who are walking away? Overburdening the system and all…

  14. “vaccine passport mandate is authoritarian nonsense”

    Then stop voting for democrats, permanently. Make them a third party and as unpalatable as the greens. What’s it going to take to wake people up that the dems are far left neo marxists who worship Stalin and would emulate him if they could get away with it all the time.

    1. And mao, and they are getting away with it

  15. “The city consistently drops more balls than a juggler having a seizure”

    I laughed.

    1. What is it going to take? Skin in the game. Losing everything.

      Once people see that compliance is a first class ticket to an even bigger boot to the face, they will get the message. Millions are still under the impression that this totalitarian wave has a ceiling and that is because millions of people remain relatively unaffected. They have not lost their jobs. Their businesses have not been shutdown. They have followed the rules.

      Give it time. The abused masses, though initially useless, will yield some of the finest, most loyal soldiers once it comes time to fight.

      1. Except the people for the most part are not rising up, but huddling down in fear. Those that understand that this is nothing more than a power grab are truly outnumbered. By the time the rest realize it they will be like the frog in the slowly heating pot. Do you remember the saying first they came for the Jews and I didn’t say anything because I’m not Jewish, then they came for the homosexuals and I didn’t say anything because I’m not. Then they came for me and there was nobody left to say anything. We must as a nation rise up and oppose. It’s only takes a year and a half to get to this insane postion, were will we be in another year if we don’t fight back?

        1. Fear is an adequate deterrent so long as a person still has something to lose. The people with nothing left to lose are, at this point, a small minority. Most of the people royally screwed thus far have been the struggling blue collar workers, the small business owners, the gig economy, the food industry, etc. Once the government boot really starts hitting the corporate classes, the teachers, the medical field (we are already starting to see pushback here), the lawyers, the accountants — in other words, the established middle class — and they start losing their jobs too, and homes, and have their bank accounts closed, then we will be at a tipping point.

          We are not there yet, but will be there soon. The “passport” model is not just going to be for places of public accommodation. Soon enough, people will start getting “cancelled” in a more thorough way for not getting vaccinated. When the bank cancels your mortgage and forecloses on your home because you did not get vaccinated (for the nth time)? When your license is pulled? When your credit cards are declined? When you are not permitted to purchase food, at all? When child services takes your children away?

          “You only have power over people so long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power – he’s free again.”

          -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

          Maybe I am wrong. But I hope I am not.

          1. I feel like the handmaid’s tale is coming true , everyone was worried trump would bring it but it looks like the dems are. In the series they took bank accounts so none could le@ve. How close to that are we? Look up a movie trailer called the gray state. And look up the supposed suicide, more like murder, of the author and his family. We are living this now.

            1. They were confessing by projecting, common with the left.

              We’re very close to confiscations.

            2. This was so obvious the entire time, that the left are Marxist totalitarian psychopaths. It baffles me that still most people don’t see it

  16. After voters legalized recreational marijuana, it took years for Los Angeles to get its act together and roll out a business-licensing system to actually allow more storefronts to open, resulting in a continued black market

    Black market education might be a solution if they don’t reopen the schools. I mean that jokingly, but with some thought, it might work.

  17. Can Martinez be sued for practicing medicine without a license when she dispenses health advice like this? How did she get to be an expert at medicine? Is she also an expert urban planner, an expert economist, an expert sociologist, an expert hydrologist, an expert traffic engineer, and so on ad infinitum? I’ll bet she is. I’ll bet she knows everything there is to know.

    1. I’ll bet she knows everything there is to know.

      Natch, she’s an elected official with the right letter after her name.

      1. right letter

        Q followed by I?

  18. Looks like summer vacation is over.

  19. Gee, guess I’ll have scratch LA and NY off the list of potential vacation spots. Shucks, I’m heartbroken. Honestly, there could be tears.

    1. New Orleans is fun if you like that sort of debauchery, good food, drinking, loose women, loud live music. I was there twice. Although I can’t imagine Bourbon Street in masks. Maybe a zombie mask or something.

      I was never impressed with California.

  20. I’d think a rational person would just ignore such a blatantly illegal scheme. But lefties are not rational thinking humans, their brains are on constant fear mode, so reeducation is the only way to help them.

  21. Yeah. People need to refuse to go along with this. I think the best thing is people get vaccinated (or not, I don’t give a shit), destroy the little card they give you and refuse to discuss it. Developing the expectation that we have a right to know about everyone’s private medical decisions is not a good thing.

    1. Just two weeks to flatten the curve. Go along for two weeks, then we can return to normal.

      1. Yeah, the fact that people didn’t say “fuck this shit” a year ago and stop complying doesn’t fill me with a lot of hope. But there has to be a breaking point. Doesn’t there?

    2. It’s not private when it’s a highly contagious disease.

      And there’s just nothing so novel or outrageous about this kind of thing. When you went to school everyone knew about your ‘private medical decisions’ (that you have been vaccinated against a host of things). In fact, people were counting on knowing that!

      1. What’s the confirmed fatality rate of this disease again?

        1. More than H1N1.

          1. H1N1 was more contagious than a typical flu but less deadly. When I worked at a state CDC the directive was that all flu related deaths be reported as H1N1 though they had the ability to differentiate. The decision makers liked the camera time and it was good for funding to have an “emergency.”

            1. It’s all a conspiracy.

              1. You are the only one saying that. People can do bad and dishonest things without being guided by some conspiracy.

              2. After what you lot did to free speech and personal liberty in 2020, “conspiracy theory” now just means “spoiler alert”.

              3. Ants don’t need a conspiracy to get the sugar.

          1. It’s much higher than H1N1, right?

            1. So that’s the standard? If something is worse than the flu, then we can trample everyone’s rights forever? That seems like a big leap. How does being maybe 2-3X as bad as flu suddenly mean we can throw respect for individual rights and privacy out the window?

      2. It’s not private when it’s a highly contagious disease.

        So stay in your bunker, have Door Dash deliver and work from home the rest of your life because no matter what life is full of danger.

        1. This is a silly statement. Do you think the same way about, say speed limits and stop signs? ‘Why don’t you stay home if you’re worried about how I drive, it’s a dangerous world out there!’

          1. So if I violate a speeding limit, will I be banned from participating in society?

          2. Exactly. I don’t whine and cry over the dangers of the road, I accept them and move on with my life. You should try that.

            1. That would mean acting as an adult rather than an infantile lefty piece of shit.

          3. Has the CDC taken any steps to authorize any of the vaccines under any other circumstance other than Emergency Use Authorization? Anything at all? I’ll wait.

      3. Yeah, we totally have to show that we are vaccinated for measles to go to a restaurant.
        Lots of people got exemptions for school vaccination requirements and no one knew who unless they decided to tell you.

      4. “It’s not private when it’s a highly contagious disease.”

        Queen is trying any and all excuses to tell everyone what to do!
        Stuff it up your ass, lefty shit.

  22. “Enough is enough already,” Martinez wrote. “Hospital workers are exhausted, moms who have put aside their careers are tired, and our kids cannot afford the loss of another school year. We have three vaccines that work and are readily available, so what’s it going to take? Our kids are about to return to school, and the unvaccinated are putting their lives at risk every day. Ask your questions, talk to your doctor and get the vaccine. Let’s put this behind us.”

    I would be very sad if this dumb cunt fell feet first into a wood chipper.

  23. “more than 70 percent of Los Angeles County residents over the age of 16 have gotten at least one vaccine dose”

    So that means 30% of the adults, and a much higher percent of kids have not. In the wake of rising sickness there’s all the more reason to ‘nudge’ people to do something that is so simple to do.

    1. What percentage of that 30% have already had the virus and thus possess natural immunity?

      According to the CDC, by the end of 2020 (hint, we’re 8 months past that now) ~150,000,000 had already had COVID and thus had natural immunity.

      1. Let’s say half.

        So what? We’re still talking about 15% of adults in LA and a higher number of kids who, because they are afraid of a little shot, are now far more likely to transmit Covid, get sick and show up in the ER, etc.

        Also, according to experts we don’t know if natural immunity > vaccinations.

        1. We do know that now. There are a plethora of studies from all over the world showing that natural immunity is much more broad, diverse and longer-lasting than vaccine-derived immunity. Natural immunity also provides more protection against newer variants of concern.

          I wonder why we haven’t been hearing about this great new science in the news.

          1. Natural immunity can’t be spun into lockdowns, virtue signaling masks, compliance passports and trillions of dollars of wealth redistribution. That’s why.

            1. Not really. Natural immunity requires that you get the actual disease first.

              Not the pretend one that is pretty much always asymptomatic and isn’t even the flu anyway so that everyone who almost sneezed/coughed once in 2020 is almost certainly full of lifelong immunity.

              1. Regardless of whether some people are full of shit about that, a large proportion of the country has actually been infected and that certainly needs to be considered along side immunization when talking about levels of immunity in the population. No one is recommending that people go out and deliberately get infected to get immunity.

                1. About 10% has been confirmed. More were asymptomatic but there is no reason to believe those folks still have immunity or are adults since asymptomatic outcomes are also heavily skewed by age. 5% more would indicate the disease is 33% asymptomatic. 10% – 50%. I really don’t know whether the truly confirmed cases have vaccinated or not. I assume a lower rate than others – but that’s yet more missing research.

                  So add 15% more than the vax number. Herd immunity for delta is prob about 88%-90%.

                  A place like LA is far too close to herd immunity for gummint to be messing with people.

                  Places with 40% vax are in real trouble.

                  1. Yeah, sure. I have no special knowledge of how many people have actually been infected. I’d believe 50%. I’d also believe 20%. Now that pretty much all big cities have had their epidemics, I tend to think it’s toward the high end, but I don’t know.

                    1. I would guess the low end. We’ll see in this wave. Because my guess is that delta doesn’t stop until there’s some rough local herd immunity. It’s possible that behaviors will change first and we fall short of that – as happened in 2020 and last winter. But this one is really contagious – and even those rushing to get vax now are merely trying to play catch up.

                      We’ll see.

                    2. “…I would guess the low end.”

                      Of course you would, you cowardly piece of lefty shit. You’ve been waving that PANIC flag for 18 months.

            2. Discussing natural immunity also reminds people this disease is 99% likely to not be a death sentence.

              And where is the fear in that?

          2. Of course natural immunity is usually great, but this is a novel virus and the experts obviously aren’t sure that that applies.

            1. We have had much more time to observe the results of infection than the results of the vaccinations. This is not a complete mystery at this point.

            2. “Of course natural immunity is usually great, but this is a novel virus and the experts obviously aren’t sure that that applies.”

              Never in the 4.5 billion years has the earth seen a virus this deadly and complex!!! This is how fucking stupid you morons sound pumping out the COVID-19 porn. If it were the plague I would understand the hyperbole but this virus is just deadlier than the common flu but not deadly enough to stop the virtue signaling. Nobody believes your pathetic fear-mongering. Maybe the only thing that’s going stop you stupid bastards is lining you all up against the wall. Your side is certainly begging for bloodshed and violence. You might just get it too.

              1. And it would be self defense if we were forced to do it. The freedoms of good Americans are worth infinitely more than the lives of Marxist democrat aggressors.

              2. Helicopter rides for commies coming right up

          1. That’s one study, and quite recent. I think I’d understand why people might not want to change policy on it.

            1. The entire premise of vaccine efficacy is that exposure to a virus induces the production of antibodies and T cell memory to protect against future infections. If you don’t believe in naturally acquired immunity via previous infection, then you don’t believe in vaccine efficacy. Also, the argument that “we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts” holds no water. Do we know how long vaccination induced immunity lasts? When are people going to turn off CNN and start using their freaking brains?

        2. Could you please cite the studies saying that vaccinations > natural immunity? I’ll wait.

      2. That’s irrelevant to petty tyrants. The only thing they care about is forcing people to bend to their whims.

    2. You should stay home.

      1. I should expect people to not act like babies.

        1. Are you telling yourself that as you look into the mirror?

          1. I’m telling it to you.

            1. You should be telling it to yourself, infantile piece of lefty shit.

          2. Can’t argue with Queen Anime here best to just ignore her non sense nothing she says is true or remotely of value to a discussion.

        2. I expect people that can’t handle their own health concerns to check into a hospice. Preferably one not overseen by a progressive governor.

          1. It’s not one’s own health concerns when a contagious disease is at issue.

            1. “And if you grow wheat on your property, that is depriving others of the opportunity to feed their families, kulak.”

              We have all seen this play. Hint: You all die at the end.

            2. “It’s not one’s own health concerns when a contagious disease is at issue.”

              You.
              Are.
              Full.
              Of.
              Shit.

        3. Yeah, dude. Real grownups cower in fear and wait for permission to make up their minds and babies consider the available information and make their own decisions. Totally.

    3. My vote is that you get “nudged” …. in the head … with a hammer.

      1. I’m betting you plus a hammer are not much of a concern to anyone.

        1. Correct.

          I was only talking about a hypothetical vote on what should hypothetically happen to people like you in a hypothetical world.

          Hypothetically.

    4. When 100% get the jab, and infections are still rampant, what crusade will you be on? Masks, lockdowns, closures? It’s never enough for people like you. For the life of me, I cannot fathom why you troll a libertarian comment section with your authoritarian bullshit.

      1. I’m not a fan of lockdowns and closures, which is why I think people should get the vaccine. Libertarians don’t need to be against many public health measures like vaccines because contagious diseases don’t just impact the decision maker.

        1. “I’m not a fan of violence, which is why I think people should just hand over their wallets when asked the first time.”

        2. What you are is a moron.

      2. Because he’s a fed and libertarians are enemies of the people. Troll his ass right back and take comfort in the fact that one day in the not so distant future, people will be playing soccer with his putrid skull.

        1. Hypothetically of course! It’s really telling how many of the ‘libertarians’ here quickly go to violence fantasies.

          1. No, that one is real. I hope the pension and free access to the child porn you are merely “investigating” is worth it, fed.

    5. Healthy children have more to worry about from the vaccine side effects (that are real and documented by the vaccine makers) than from the virus. A healthy teenager basically has a 1 in a million chance of dying from the virus. Trying to push it on children to protect the elderly is monstrous.

      1. Many of those side effects of the vaccine are also side effects of covid. Except that covid is worse. Myocarditis in particular is one of a number of problems that mostly affect younger folks – and it doesn’t much depend on whether the covid itself was asymptomatic or seriously symptomatic.

        1. Stay in your house forever and leave the rest of us alone.

      2. Yeah. 4.5 million children each year report being molested by a coach or teacher. The leading cause of death in my state for kids aged 10 to 13 is suicide. Meanwhile, 337 kids have died from COVID, in our entire country. There will be a special place in hell for all of those calling for children to be vaccinated.

    6. What would be the acceptable vaccination numbers for you? What percentage of vaccinated adults and children would let us return to normal living?

      Also, what rate of rising sickness is acceptable before we need to break out the masks again?

      1. There is never a reason to break out the masks because masks don’t stop the spread of viruses. Look at what’s happening in Japan.

  24. if Martinez wants to avoid lockdowns, Los Angeles can just…not have them.

    That’s assuming this stupid bint actually wants to avoid lockdowns. She doesn’t. All she’s doing now is setting the stage so that when they do implement another round of lockdowns she can blame the people. She’s just winding up and then, like an abusive spouse who shouts “Look what you made me do!” after beating the fuck out of his wife, she’ll put all the blame on the people she hurts with her idiotic bullshit.

  25. What’s also unexplored is the reality that people who are insistent on not getting vaccinated will most certainly figure out how to cheat the system, which will by its nature have to be simple and quick to use. People who are already vaccinated will have to go around constantly proving that status every time they enter a store, and we haven’t even discussed how much of a burden this might be to poor people, those who aren’t terribly tech-savvy, and folks who don’t have smartphones. Meanwhile, the holdouts will easily fake it. Consider how many teens have gotten fake IDs in order to purchase alcohol and enter bars before turning 21.

    IOW, this will be a great to turn people she doesn’t like (in this case, vaccine holdouts) into criminals overnight. Same reason people like her push gun control schemes that they won’t actually work to reduce violent crime. It’s not about reducing crime, it’s about turning one’s political enemies into criminals.

  26. All this bullshit is really about punishing the masses. It’s the counter-revolution of the so-called “elites”. The same elites that the fake, fraudulent, figs i libertarians of Reason sided with for so many years, particularly because Trump bad. But now that Trump is gone and they’re starting to feel the effects more and more directly and personally, suddenly they’re coming to decide that they don’t like it so much. Imagine that.

    I would tell you to enjoy this latest dick in your face Shackford, but I know you already enjoy that sort of thing, literally and metaphorically.

    1. the counter-revolution

      The Restoration.

    2. The “elites” are only punishing one race of the masses. As noted above, the bankers’ pet blacks are implicitly or explicitly exempt from the vax passport measures. This is but the latest flashpoint in a conflict waged over the past two millennia.

      1. Illegals will be exempt too.

    3. Trump being bad and progressives acting authoritative are not mutually exclusive. Trump is the White House wouldn’t have any factor on what these Mayors are doing. If anything it might have giving them more cover. Trump was no huge supporter of liberty. Just slightly less bad as Hillary.

  27. I was in SoCal a couple weeks ago. LA County had just reinstated the mask mandate. I was appalled at the amount of people wearing masks alone while driving, bicycling, jogging, etc. These people will accept whatever is imposed on them and praise the police for enforcing on their neighbors.

    1. …and praise the police for enforcing on their neighbors.

      Of course, who do you think called the cops on their neighbors in the first place?

    2. The entire US government needs a hard reset. Like taking phone back to factory conditions to eliminate a corrupted data build.

  28. There is no deep state circle-jerk…
    At the very least, it’ll be entertaining to watch the lefties embrace the man they used to call “Darth Cheney”: Liz Cheney says her father is ‘deeply troubled’ about the state of the Republican Party

    1. I believe that Glenn Greenwald pointed out that a lot of the old Neo cons are now Democrats and are the party’s biggest boosters.

      1. Greenwald’s a pretty dumb guy. There’s a big difference between thinking Trump and his supporters are a bad thing and being the Democrat’s ‘biggest boosters.’

        1. A fed that hates independent journalists is too on the nose, fed.

        2. “Greenwald’s a pretty dumb guy”

          Lol, you’re not even trying, Mike.

          No fifty-cents for you.

        3. He’s not. He’s just very focused on the ugliness of the inside baseball. The CIA, FBI, NSA and military brass are all authoritative. They never see a problem there shape hammer can’t fix. When it comes to this area the career Dems and Republicans are very similar.

    2. The de o rats need to go, but so do a lot of bad republicans.

  29. I don’t see it as a privacy issue. The issues are about property rights and freedom of association. The opposite side of the same coin is bans on card or passport requirements as happened in Florida.

    1. Requiring Jews to wear yellow stars on their sleeves and to be excluded from public life is the opposite side of the same coin where the government is not allowed to require Jews to be made to wear yellow stars and be excluded for public life.

      The same coin. Same thing.

      ::honk honk::

      1. Comparing this to the Holocaust is gratuitous and offensive but what else would I expect from you. My wife’s parents were survivors and lost their whole families there.

        Antisemite. Bye so don’t bother replying to me again.

        1. There was literally nothing anti Semitic in his comment. If that were the case, everyone who compared Trump to Hitler is an anti-semite. QED

          1. I don’t think it’s necessarily anti-Semitic, but undermining the seriousness of the Holocaust, which that kind of comment (unwittingly, sure) does is the kind of thing that anti-Semites do like to do.

            I think it’s just very stupid hyperbole.

            1. That has to be the most backhanded squishy defense I have ever seen but I am not going to discuss it further with you.

            2. Look, if we’re going to get on the “screeching Nazi at every turn diminishes the Holocaust” (something I was saying some years ago), I’m 100% on board. Let’s see who blinks first.

              1. Can we still call Bernie, and Liz Warren, and George soros nazis? I only ask because the first 2 are saying we need more nationalism and more socialism, while the third was literally in the hitler youth

            3. The only thing keeping you progs from committing all sorts of mass murder is the fact that you still can’t get away with it. Stop pretending otherwise.

              You’re not peaceful, you’re muzzled.

          2. The Nazis killed those people. Six million of them. All this is is a misguided stupid attempt to save lives. It is purely offensive to the memory of the lives of the victims and the tortures they endured.

            Sure as hell is anti Semitic. If it isn’t nothing is. I know antisemitism when I see it from personal experience.

            I have never compared anyone to nazis or Hitler because there is no comparison to that. Even Marjorie Greene admitted that and apologized.
            .

            1. So then we’re in agreement, everyone who compared Trump to Hitler is an anti-Semite.

              1. And further, everyone (and I mean fucking everyone) who screeches “Nazi” (and it’s a long-assed fucking list) is an anti-semite.

                1. Nearly the entire democrat party. Plus many others.

              2. It is somewhat different in that it is not a specific reference to the Holocaust so I give it a grey area. I do find it disheartening that so many people throw these things around as if they meant nothing.

                So we are not exactly in agreement. I really don’t want to discuss it. You are using a whatabboutism to defend blatant antisemitism.

                1. White Supremacist
                  Nazi
                  Literal Hitler

                  These are terms that mainstream people– so called reasonable polite people at every level of our media, and our government use without hesitation. They have diminished and degraded the meaning of the terms to the point where they are almost without meaning altogether.

                  There was a chorus of us pointing this out back probably as far as 2015/2016. Even complaining about it got US called “Nazi/Hitler/White supremacist”. So if this suddenly represents the point at which we shout “stop”, sure… it’s at a bit of an odd point to suddenly make it. But I guess progress is progress.

                  1. Echospinner made a stupid point. How? By insisting that laws mandating discrimination and segregation are “the same side of the coin” as laws that prohibit discrimination and segregation.

                    I have never seen anyone so thoroughly miss the point and make a fool of themselves in the process.

                  2. I agree with those points Diane.

                    For me the line stops here. This is too far for me. I will not see the Shoah turned into a cartoon political mime without objection.

                    1. Unless it’s by the left, in which case echospinner will silently nod

                2. Yes, democrats are blatantly anti Semitic.

            2. All this is is a misguided stupid attempt to save lives.

              That’s how it always starts. Not just with the Holocaust, but with every government murder spree with a death count in the millions. There’s always some reason or justification for why they need to kill just these last few thousand wreckers before they can achieve utopia.

            3. Bullshit. The same logic was used by the Nazis as is being employed today, as in “those people are ruining your life and if only they weren’t part of society you’d be better off” but go ahead and justify/minimize the totalitarian actions going on. The camps weren’t built in a day.

              1. Thank you.

                I did not think it needed to be explained.

              2. Socialists have to do that. Their ideas and plans are horribly flawed and always collapse. So it has to be someone else’s fault. Have you ever known a prog to hold themselves accountable and admit their failure.

                1. No because progs are incapable of introspection. It’s always someone else’s fault.

            4. All this is is a misguided stupid attempt to save lives.

              If it saves just one life! Incidentally, look how they are treating Jewish communities in New York City. Like fucking lepers …. you know, just to save their lives. It is all well intentioned you gullible tool.

              1. Echospinner will be the first one calling the stasi/gestapo on his “unclean” neighbors, but if you point it out he’ll pull out his vicarious victim card to prove you’re the bad guy.

                1. If he was black, he would have called me a racist. If he was a faggot (and I am not saying he’s not; he sounds like he is) he would have called me a homophobe. There will always be people in life whose first instinct is to whine and to get offended, and to demand that everyone else around them share in their misery and immediately denounce the target of their ire … or else!

                  They do not have the intellectual or emotional wherewithal to consider, even for a moment, that they’re the asshole — and that is what makes them dangerous, and that is precisely the reason we see morons like Echospinner casually brushing off mandatory segregation and discrimination as being equivalent to prohibitions against such conduct.

                  1. Orogs see everything in a victim/oppressor dynamic. It a,lows them to simultaneously scapegoat others for their failure, and is a useful weapon for weak stupid progs to keep good people on the defensive.

                    1. Progs are truly vile scum. I just can’t understand how more people don’t see this. SJW types, the very vocal ones are some of the most psychotic people in society

            5. Yep, and that’s what you’re working towards, goebbels.

            6. “I know it when I see it”

              Go fuck yourself, you passive-aggressive totalitarian piece of shit

              1. He probably does, like when his Palestinian buddies beat the shit out of Jews.

        2. The comparison to the Holocaust is extremely apt when talking about internal passports intended to track and restrict activity based on a status arbitrarily decided on by fascist governments.

          And bro, you’re not the only Jew around here. Just saying that you know some people that knew some people that died in the Holocaust is a pretty weak argument.

          1. That was my family not someone I knew that knew somebody. Yes I know there are other Jews here. What was your point?

            If you want to stand on that hill go ahead.

            1. My point is that not only was his analogy completely appropriate, but that your casual accusations of antisemitism completely inappropriate, to put it charitably.

              1. Bullshit. The same slippery slope can be used for any authoritarian action by government. You know who else has a similar ID they have used? Israel. And they are considering using them again if things go south. I think they know something about the Holocaust.

                I am against this program and given my reasoning.

                I use that term sparingly. This is the first time I have used it here other than our resident Holocaust denier and I ignore him.

                You don’t need to use that offensive post to object to the ID thing. I object to it.

                Even Marjorie Tayler Greene who made the same reference had the guts to go to the Holocaust Museum and admit she was wrong. I do not think this poster has at least that degree of honesty.

                The Holocaust happened. It is not a hypothetical. If you have the temerity to compare this post to what happened then go there.

                The yellow stars were a means of identifying, rounding up a people defined by a religious or ethnic identity or descent and systematically murdering them. Is that what you think is happening here with restaurant bans? Seriously? I go to bars or restaurants seldom anyway. Nobody is keeping me from work, putting me in a ghetto, taking me in a cattle car, and murdering me and my family.

                1. Jesus Christ, what a nut.

                2. How is pointing out the similarity between the internal passport policy that fascist politicians are rolling out today with internal passport policies of fascist politicians past in any way a denial that the Holocaust happened? To the contrary, if there’s a lesson to be learned from the Holocaust it’s that murderous totalitarian governments need to be resisted early when there’s still a chance to dismantle them. Saying that this is antisemitic is beyond ridiculous.

                  identifying, rounding up a people defined by a religious or ethnic identity or descent and systematically murdering them. Is that what you think is happening here with restaurant bans? Seriously?
                  Yes. Seriously. Forcing people to carry around internal passports is exactly what a government does when it wants to give police the power to arbitrarily stop anyone and check whether they meet some requirement set by the government, and to detain anyone that doesn’t. It’s exactly the reason that every totalitarian regime with a kill count in the millions started by confiscating weapons and issuing internal passports.

                  1. voluntary vaccine passports to go to bars is exactly equivalent to Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek and Auschwitz .

                    If you do not get a vaccine go to the gas chambers.

                    You are going to make a moral equivalence here?

                    I do not agree with the vaccine passports. Can I make that more clear.

                    Very thin ice to stand on.

                    1. Your party isn’t that far along yet. This is just one of many steps to get us there. But make no mistake, the democrat party isn’t any better at the end of the day.

                    2. I am not and never have been a democrat.

                  2. Please do not use the Shoah as a tool to make your political points. Do not trample upon those victims for your own gains. What happened there is never to happen again. Jews are no longer victims.

                    Do not use yellow stars to make your points. It is painful enough. As I have said I am against these policies as you are. My history is not your tool to achieve it.

                    1. “My history.”

                      Fuck off, you entitled twit. A valid rebuttal of your initial, asinine point was made and you are fake crying about because its easier to whine about being a Jew than it is to admit you’re a moron.

                    2. Fuck off and die, you victim posing passive-aggressive totalitarian leftist simp.

                    3. He’s covering for the left, Geiger, it’s all he ever does: cover, deflect, and excuse the left.
                      The tantrum he’s throwing is strong evidence that he knows exactly what he, and the left, are doing, and he’s desperate to deny and distract from it so people won’t notice and won’t stop them.

                    4. Your party is working overtime to turn Jews back into victims. Her win the US, and also in Israel, where many democrats hope to,see another Jewish Holocaust.

                      And don’t EVER presume to lecture me about the Holocaust. I lost an entire branch of my family to it.

                    5. The LP is demonizing Jews?

        3. Retard.

      2. Let’s be fair. In an ideal world, banning businesses from requiring vaccine passports would be just as much a violation of the business owner’s rights as forcing businesses to check vaccine passports.

        The real issue is that businesses are getting pressured by the federal government to require vaccine passports, even in cities and states not controlled by fascists, as an end run around constitutional protections via the Private Company exception. There is no freedom of association where the federal government bankrolls a vaccine passport tracking system and “strongly encourages” businesses to “opt” in to use it.

        1. Oh, come on, the government suggesting that private businesses should monitor their customers is no different whether they’re making that suggestion to Billy Bob’s BBQ or Facebook, is it? As good Reason libertarians, we’re all agreed that there’s no problem with the government suggesting to the social media sites who they should silence, so why shouldn’t they be free to suggest to brick and mortar sites who they should refuse to do business with?

  30. And I presume everyone knows about the Lambda variant?

    The one that’s the most scary is the Lambda Lambda Lambda variant. When infected, the symptoms initially feel puny and weak, but the back end of the symptoms can pack a serious punch and instill a lot of fear.

    1. The one that’s the most scary is the Lambda Lambda Lambda variant.

      NERDS!

      1. That may have been one of my most obscure reference jokes ever. Surprised anyone caught it.

        1. I have strong nerd creds.

        2. Come on Diane, we maybe jerks around here but we are not uncultured animals. Who doesn’t love that feel good movie where the protagonist literally tricks his love interest into accepting rape? That and the awesome talent show performance. I miss the 80’s.

          1. Rape as courtship strategy, and it worked. Bold move.

            I’m so glad somebody else finally noticed it too!

    2. Not bad.

      Now I’m going to eat a pi.

    3. Until the nerds lambda lambda lambda was an all black fraternity, no not only is the lamda variant completely racist, but the nerds are completely racist too for gentrification

  31. How is this not a HIPAA violation?

    1. It absolutely is. Without question.

      1. Well, I suppose I should dither on this. Someone demanding something from you is a sticky legal area. You don’t have to provide it, and they can’t seek it from your healthcare provider- THAT would be a hipaa violation. But they can ask almost anything, and you can refuse to provide it, with consequences being what they are.

        1. HIPAA isn’t so much about protecting your privacy as it is who is allowed to see your information. Any entity is one vote away from having access.

          More specifically vaccines are being allowed to go to state or local vaccine registries. You may or may not have to sign a consent when you receive the vaccine. The rules for the NYCIR, New York City’s vaccine registry is a provider is must send vaccine information if the patient is 19 years old or younger. You must get consent from patients 20 years old or older. However, the rules were modified to required sending all Covid-19 vaccines to the registry.

          The problem with privacy laws is that they are not about privacy. They are about sharing your data.

          1. Except it’s more who’s required to protect your medical data and who they’re allowed to provide it to. In this case you aren’t on the list of people required to keep your information confidential and so asking you is fine, but asking your doctor is not. It’s an end run around the protection to be sure but without the pervasive, coercive hand of the state behind it, not illegal. In this case the state is outsourcing an unconstitutional demand to third parties.

            1. So innovative

            2. Just a hypothetical, if someones asks if you have been vaccinated, you respond yes, but you actually aren’t how could they verify it?

    2. Because it’s an emergency!

    3. “Are you vaccinated?” – clerk
      “Do you like anal?” – customer
      “That is a rather personal question.” -clerk
      “Isn’t it?” -customer

    4. It is not. HIPPA only applies to medical providers. They can only release medical information with your consent. Even to other providers. You can tell anyone you want.

      1. Now tell us if someone can demand that you tell them.

    5. Perhaps a better analogy would be:

      We’re currently in an AIDS epidemic, what do you do with your dick in your off hours? It’s for the children.

      1. Phrasing! Although Buttplug approves.

  32. Democrats really only have one play in their playbook. FUTW

    Really they deserve what they get and the sane people should leave.

    I was down in Anaheim last weekend and they required masks for an indoor restaurant. Why? I’m fully vaccinated. There’s no logical reason to require masks at all.

    If you’re dumb and don’t get the vaccine, then that’s on you if you get sick. I shouldn’t have to subsidize your poor decision making

    1. They managed to turn a virus into a political issue. I didn’t think they could do it, but they did. And the press helped them at every step by not asking even the most basic questions.

      1. All they do is lie, then they wonder why people don’t listen to them. They are literally prolonging the pandemic because of their idiotic policies and just them being insufferable people in general.

        “Hey I spent years calling everyone I don’t like part of fascist white supremacy. We also need to dismantle private property and individualism, cancel student loans, cancel rent, silence all opposing views… and wait why arn’t people getting a vaccine I want them to?”

    2. It is kinda dumb because you pull it down when you eat or drink anyway.

      1. also it doesn’t help that they know it’s dumb and don’t do it themselves but still do it.

        How many videos of these democrats or media types (but I repeat myself) who act normally, then when the cameras are on they put on a mask

  33. L.A. City Council President Nury Martinez and Councilman Mitch O’Farrell have introduced a motion instructing the city attorney to draft an ordinance requiring people in Los Angeles to provide proof of at least one vaccine dose in order to enter any indoor spaces “including but not limited to restaurants, bars, retail establishments, fitness centers, spas, and entertainment centers such as stadiums, concert venues, and movie theaters.”

    “Cool! Next we want an ordinance requiring people in Los Angeles to provide proof of *proper thinking* in order to enter any indoor space– actually, make that in order to leave their home, uh, customary place of sleeping.”

    1. If the government provides a large communal shelter for thousands of people which those people are not allowed to leave how is it distinguishable from prison?

      1. In one, large numbers of civil rights lawyers will fight for you. In the other, civil rights organizations are nowhere to be found.

  34. This is good news. Another nail in Newsom’s coffin.

  35. This is yet another Reason article that lacks a clear condemnation of the covid regime. I’m left to infer that if LA weren’t highly vaccinated or if the author thought hospitalizations were going to increase significantly, then there wouldn’t be any problem with mandating people get vaccinated. Mandating the vaccine, just like mandating masks and lockdowns, is immoral regardless of the current government statistics.

  36. Reason’s pieces just argue numbers with the Regime, a lost cause because the institutions responsible for all this un-scientific nonsense can just change the numbers, change how they measure numbers, change the goals. You guys need to grow a pair, ovaries or testes, whatever. Just grow some.

    1. When you cede the premise, you’ve already lost – and at that point you’re just negotiating terms of surrender.

      Readers: don’t surrender an inch.

  37. He’s a fed, and libertarians are the people’s enemy. Troll him back, and take solace in the thought that people will be playing soccer with his rotten skull in the not-too-distant future.

    1. Now this is a discerning spam bot!

  38. I contacted the ACLU about the NYC passport rule and haven’t heard a peep. I guess the ACLU is a shell of what it once was and has focused itself along narrow goals.

    Anyway, as long as they can do it they will. Who will stop them?

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