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Uber Has Reduced Drunk Driving Deaths by 6 Percent, Study Finds

Plus: Americans evenly split on immigration, bill moves to stop EPA raids of auto shops, and more...

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Anti-ride-sharing politics puts people at risk. Initially heralded as an environmentally friendly boon for consumer safety, ride-sharing services like Uber and Lyft have for years been demonized by politicians and city governments. These state actors—enthralled to taxi unions, tempted by the revenue-raising possibility of imposing fees on ride-sharing companies, and intent on forcing these companies into an old-fashioned business model in which drivers must work standard hours and receive full benefits packages—have been busy making a promising business model more cumbersome and less attractive for customers, drivers, and ride-sharing companies alike.

Their antics could come with serious costs, according to a new working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). In "Uber and Alcohol-Related Traffic Fatalities," researchers Michael L. Anderson and Lucas W. Davis report that their analysis of Uber data suggests ride-sharing options have made a significant dent in drunk-driving deaths, as well as deaths resulting from traffic accidents overall.

The NBER research finds ride-sharing services cut alcohol-related traffic deaths in the U.S. by 6.1 percent and total U.S. traffic deaths by 4 percent.

"We find a robust negative impact of ridesharing on traffic fatalities," write the researchers. "Based on conventional estimates of the value of statistical life the annual life-saving benefits range from $2.3 to $5.4 billion."

While the researchers only analyzed Uber data, there's reason to suspect other services—like Lyft—have a similar effect. ("Our data represent a good proxy for overall ridesharing activity during our sample period," the paper states.)

You can read the whole paper here.

Aside from being a drop of good news, it's also something to keep in mind as more and more areas move to enact policies (like California's A.B. 5, or the even more extreme plans which the Biden administration and House Democrats want to institute at the national level) that could make it harder for ride-sharing companies to operate, less attractive for people to work for them, and more expensive for their customers. The impact likely isn't just lost revenue for Uber and Lyft, and more people choosing other modes of transport, but a ratcheting back up of drunk driving, automobile accidents, and road deaths.


FREE MINDS

U.S. opinions on immigration are still seriously divided. The latest Gallup immigration poll finds 33 percent say we should allow more immigration, 31 percent say we should allow less, and 35 percent think our current level is good. "These preferences are similar to last year's readings but reflect greater support for increased immigration since the early 2000s, reaching a high of 34% in 2020," notes Gallup. "At the same time, there has been a decline in recent years in the percentage of Americans who want immigration decreased, with last year's 28% the lowest in the trend."


FREE MARKETS

Why are Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) agents raiding auto repair shops? "Following the EPA's December National Compliance Initiative, which focuses on manufacture, sale, and installation of emissions 'defeat devices,' the agency targeted the high-performance auto industry, sometimes deploying armed agents to slap heavy fines on violators," reports Yahoo News, detailing one such raid at Lund Racing in Pennsylvania.

Lund's shop is hardly the only dealer targeted by the EPA. Last month, Bradenton, Florida's JH Diesel and Fort Lupton, Colorado's PFI Speed were hit with heavy fines by the EPA.

Now, a bill is moving through Congress to curtail these kinds of EPA raids. The RPM Act, its sponsors say, aims to protect the right to convert street vehicles into dedicated race cars. The bipartisan bill, sponsored by Rep. Patrick McHenry, a North Carolina Republican, would clarify that it is legal to make emissions-related changes to a street vehicle in order to convert it into a race car that is used exclusively in competition. The proposal would also confirm that it is legal to produce, market, and install racing equipment.

"I think it's insane that over 40 executive branch agencies have police forces. The EPA shouldn't be able to raid anything or anybody," Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, and co-sponsor of the RPM Act, told the Washington Examiner.


QUICK HITS

• Forever war never ends, it just gets reclassified…

• In Florida, the Pasco Sheriff's Office "creates lists of people it considers likely to break the law based on criminal histories, social networks and other unspecified intelligence" and "sends deputies to their homes repeatedly, often without a search warrant or probable cause for an arrest," according to the Tampa Bay Times. Four people are now suing over the program in federal court.

• "Can entire societies become more or less depressed over time?" ask researchers in a new paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D–Mass.) war on profitable and popular tech companies continues.

ShotSpotter is an artificial intelligence-based "surveillance system that uses hidden microphone sensors to detect the sound and location of gunshots," and it's being used by cops to fabricate evidence, reports Vice.

• California announces new vaccination rules for state employees:

• "Vaccine mandates have been relatively uncommon in the U.S. But with vaccination rates stagnating and the Delta variant driving yet another wave of cases, there's been a new groundswell of support for such requirements," notes Axios.

• A new court decision regarding a web designer and same-sex weddings "appears to be inconsistent with the Eighth Circuit's decision in Telescope Media Group v. Lucero, which upheld videographers' right not to create videos of same-sex weddings," points out Eugene Volokh at The Volokh Conspiracy. "I expect this circuit split will make this a good candidate for Supreme Court review—unlike Masterpiece Cakeshop, this case indubitably involves the creation of speech, and not just of a wedding cake, so it squarely tees up the compelled-creation-of-speech issue."

• Biden's temporary child tax credit is divisive, with 35 percent of voters opposed to it and 35 percent saying it should become permanent.

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482 responses to “Uber Has Reduced Drunk Driving Deaths by 6 Percent, Study Finds

  1. Uber Has Reduced Drunk Driving Deaths by 6 Percent

    Nationalize it.

    1. Mandate it.

      And then deliver it by government force.

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    2. Hardly.
      A good thing not done by the government? Ban it.

  2. The latest Gallup immigration poll finds 33 percent say we should allow more immigration, 31 percent say we should allow less, and 35 percent think our current level is good.

    When will they poll Americans on how much emigration we should allow.

    1. When we get a bit more socialist.

    2. The key immigration issue (and the question Gallup didn’t ask) is whether Americans support “illegal” immigration, as the vast majority of Americans support legal immigration.

      While I strongly support increasing the number of legal immigrants allowed in the US (and becoming citizens), I strongly oppose an increase in overall immigration because most of the immigrants coming to America have been illegal (since Biden/Harris invited all of the world’s poorest people to cross the Mexican border with promises of free food, housing, education, housing, child care and even covid vaccines).

      1. + free healthcare for the rest of their lives

      2. 1.7 million illegal immigrants this year (so far) vs the yearly 1 million legal immigration camp.

    3. How many of those polled know the actual current immigration level?

  3. Why are Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) agents raiding auto repair shops?

    They’re an alphabet agency and need a cursory justification for their firearms just like any other in DC?

    1. Looking forward to the CDC raids.

      1. And FDA raids at dinner time. Which will be used to justify FDA screeners at supermarket checkouts.

    2. Somebody has to deal with the Hot Rod Menace. Comic books and switchblades are sure to follow.

  4. American officials say the U.S. will likely reclassify on paper the 2,500 American forces currently stationed in Iraq in order to oblige Iraq’s demand to withdraw combat troops.
    Are you saying SleepyJoe is a liar?

    1. Have they figured out yet that the troops in Afghanistan are getting reclassified the same way?

      1. Reclassified as what? Brand Ambassadors?

        1. The Covid Relief Force?

    2. How can he be a liar when he doesn’t know the truth?

  5. “U.S. opinions on immigration are still seriously divided.”

    Nope. That must be wrong.

    Reason.com has repeatedly told me more Americans than ever agree with the assertion “Immigration is a good thing.” That means our benefactor Charles Koch’s open borders agenda is wildly popular. (Anecdotally, 100% of my friends support open borders.)

    #ImmigrationAboveAll

  6. • Biden’s temporary child tax credit is divisive, with 35 percent of voters opposed to it and 35 percent saying it should become permanent.

    I suspect big changes to this number after next tax season.

    1. And the number of “children”.

    2. I’m curious to see how this is going to impact people’s tax returns next year. Are they simply getting their refund early? Will they end up owing a payment?

      The amusing thing about it was all the hand-wringing that happened after the tax plan doubled the child tax credit and increased the standard deduduction, while nerfing the mortgage interest write-off in high-cost blue enclaves. The current administration is basically admitting that the tax credit and deductible increase was actually good, and that people should keep more of their money up front instead of providing the government with an interest-free loan.

      1. I’m curious to see how this is going to impact people’s tax returns next year. Are they simply getting their refund early? Will they end up owing a payment?

        Yes, so they may. I didn’t realize it until my wife asked (bad accountant, bad), so I likely liquidated next year’s cash refund by getting the first round.

        They make opting out a bitch – you and your wife have to do so separately, and there’s a biometric identification service you have to sign up for in order to do so.

        1. Yeah, I noticed the opt-out was a pain in the ass. That’s why we’re saving ours for now in case we end up needing it for a tax return payment next year.

      2. I am savvy enough with my withholdings to make it so my refund/payment is within about $100 of zero each year. To accommodate this child tax credit prefund nonsense, i had to increase my withholdings with my employee because it was infinitely easier than the IRS’ ‘opt out’ process

  7. In other words, they’re not coming home from Iraq. Just paperwork to pretend something significant is happening while maintaining the status quo.

    Mission accomplished in triplicate.

  8. In Florida, the Pasco Sheriff’s Office “creates lists of people it considers likely to break the law based on criminal histories, social networks and other unspecified intelligence” and “sends deputies to their homes repeatedly, often without a search warrant or probable cause for an arrest…”

    This is what you get when you complain no one went after the Parkland shooter proactively.

    1. Well, on the other hand, to be sure, Pasco county has been like that for decades.

    2. No one expects the Pasco Inquisition! (though maybe they do)

  9. “Vaccine mandates have been relatively uncommon in the U.S. But with vaccination rates stagnating and the Delta variant driving yet another wave of cases, there’s been a new groundswell of support for such requirements,” notes Axios.

    As a left-libertarian, I absolutely support mandatory vaccination.

    Now critics might say “Don’t libertarians demand MEDICAL PRIVACY and BODILY AUTONOMY? Isn’t that how you justify 3rd trimester elective abortion?” But that ignores the fact that access to abortion care is a clearly defined Constitutional right. Whereas there is no right to refuse a needle in your arm.

    #ProChoice
    #(Sometimes)

    1. brava

    2. It is a perfect democratic stance where 50.1% gets to force their poor choices on the other 49.9%

    3. “We’re experiencing a pandemic of the unvaccinated” – Gavin Newsom

      Wrongthink officially declared a disease

      1. I don’t get the logic behind these sorts of pronouncements.

        So, unvaccinated are getting ill with the ‘rona, vaccinated (and people who already suffered from it in the last year) are escaping the worst of it. We all agree here.

        At this point, who cares? Hospitals aren’t getting overwhelmed. Those with a primed immune system aren’t in danger. Vaccines are freely available now. Mission Accomplished.

        If you want to get it the natural way, fine. It’s never going away. Sure, many are likely to get it, now or later, but it’s going to happen to most people. And at this point people refusing the vaccine are going to keep refusing it, so that is never changing. What infections don’t happen now are just going to happen in the winter.

        So, there’s no viable endgame here. There is no attainable goal that punishing already immune people will bring about. Stating “but people are getting covid” with no connection to anything as a justification for less liberty is borderline kafkaesque.

        1. None of this has been logical since April 2020.

  10. Can entire societies become more or less depressed over time?

    Pharmaceutical industry just got a non-blue-pill-induced boner.

    1. If it lasts more than 48 hours…

    2. Can’t remember where i saw it but there was an article about putting medication in water to calm the people down. I think it was a democrat suggestion.

      1. A gram is better than a damn.

  11. Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D–Mass.) war on profitable and popular tech companies continues.

    That war paint ain’t never coming off.

    1. Remember, the people who want to kill Uber are protecting consumers.

    2. I see what you did there.

    3. Remember Wounded Ego

      1. Words are violence!

        (and nobody needs a high capacity writing device)

    4. I think some common-sense liz warren control by means of term limits is required. In her case, her term was up last election. Nobody needs limitless terms in the US Congress.

  12. CA will have the strongest state vaccine verification system in the US and will require state employees & healthcare workers to provide proof of vaccination—or get tested regularly.

    Wait a minute. Medical professionals are eschewing the jab?

    1. Mostly Karen type nurses who “do all the real work”.

      1. The gospels according to The Ministry of Truthiness?

      2. Man, you can’t wait to force others to do what you want can you.

        1. Its for their own good. And the children. (And the Party)

        2. You can never resist dishonestly “summarizing” other people’s speech, can you?

          Try debating ideas honestly, just once.

          1. Hey y’all, look who’s talking about honesty!

            Honestly!

          2. Just going based on your posting history. The fact you’re in here complaining about other people’s choices is telling.

          3. I mean, what was your argument here? You didn’t even make one dummy.

        3. He’s looking for an excuse to mow down citizens with an Apache helicopter.

      3. Well, how the hell are they going to fit that in when there’s TikTok dance videos to create?

    2. Maybe the ones hoping the routine tests are the rectal variety.

    3. About 30% of them, yes.

  13. Vaccine mandates have been relatively uncommon in the U.S…

    Time to get some knees on some necks?

    1. Well, blacks do lag whites in vaccinations.

    2. We have always been at war with Covid.

      1. Permanent temporary measures.

  14. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cdc-plans-another-update-federal-mask-guidance

    Meanwhile, the White House told CNN that it would be “up to the CDC” to change regulations and guidance surrounding mask use.

    Earlier this month, LA County adopted new mandatory masking requirements calling for masks to be worn when in public (despite President Biden’s claim that “you can’t get COVID” if you’ve been vaccinated).

    1. Double extra scientific.

    2. Cali university system is requiring the vaccinated to wear masks while outdoors on campus.

      There is a fine line between control freak and insanity.

  15. “U.S. opinions on immigration are still seriously divided. The latest Gallup immigration poll finds 33 percent say we should allow more immigration, 31 percent say we should allow less, and 35 percent think our current level is good.”

    In related news, the Biden is starting to face reality on illegal immigration. He’s using “fast track” deportation against asylum seekers–before they can see an immigration judge–if they fail to make a claim for asylum based on some form of persecution.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/politics/us-border-migrant-families-deportation/index.html

    I would remind my fellow libertarians that open borders doesn’t mean unconstitutional stupidity, lawlessness, or illegal immigration. An open border means a Senate ratified treaty between the U.S. and Mexico, which would allow Mexican citizens to cross the border at a checkpoint without a visa–simply by showing a U.S. approved (or issued) identification.

    One of the benefits of such a system would be a far more secure border than the one we have now–because if the only people sneaking through the desert at night were people who couldn’t get an ID (because they were convicted felons, wanted cartel members, smugglers, and other assorted bad guys), then they would be far easier to catch without a swarm of harmless job seekers to hide behind.

    This is what has been meant by open borders for a very long time I’ll link Cavanaugh’s piece in the Los Angeles Times from 2006 below for those who are confused about this.

    People who point to our present unconstitutional and horrific border crisis as an excellent example of open borders come in two main flavors–1) those who want to make libertarians look bad and 2) libertarians who aren’t knowledgeable and/or smart enough to realize that they’re making the rest of us look bad.

    1. “2) libertarians who aren’t knowledgeable and/or smart enough to realize that they’re making the rest of us look bad.”

      So Jeff.

      1. He’s kind of a special case. He doesn’t know that what he’s saying is libertarian, so he doesn’t realize it’s making libertarians look bad. Remember, ChemJeff was the guy who told me that libertarians support social security–so why aren’t I like him and all the other libertarians?

        What a fuckwit. ChemJeff fits into both categories and at the same time. He’s both too unknowledgeable and too stupid to know what he’s talking about, and he can’t help making any position he’s arguing look even worse than it is because he’s so unknowledgeable and dumb.

        1. You’re really scared of chemjeff. Understandable, since he pokes holes in your logical “perfection”.

          1. No one is really scared of Jeff. Since his idea of logic usually goes something like this:

            ChemJeffRadicalCollectivist
            Here’s my initial contribution to the thought in this article
            Others – Seems like a logical fallacy, Jeff
            Jeff – Let me add this qualifier to try to make the same point again
            Others – The Qualifier doesn’t add to or support your argument
            Jeff – Well, harumph. Here’s an additional qualifier to support the previous qualifier. Now take that!
            Others – Wash, rinse, repeat.
            Jeff – Obviously you didn’t understand my qualifiers. Here is yet another one from an obscure source to support me. And you all are just racists who do not have my love for humanity.
            Others – Yeah, I think we’re done here.
            Jeff – Wait, don’t you want to hear how my idea of radical individualism is for you to do what I think is best for the group as a collective?

          2. The only one scared of chemjeff is the Cookie Monster.

            1. And buffet restaurant owners.

          3. Fear implies some level of respect, but what you see with responses to collectivistjeff is lack thereof

          4. Hahahahahahahahaha

      2. Jeff admits to being both a globalist libertarian and a socialist libertarian. In other words he thinks he can just attach libertarian tags to leftist ideas and people won’t notice.

        1. “he thinks he can just attach libertarian tags to leftist ideas and people won’t notice.”

          Give the multiple examples set by writers here can you really blame him for his confusion?

      3. Noone thinks Jeff is libritarian

    2. “Here’s one good idea you won’t hear about. Let’s allow the North American Free Trade Agreement to live up to its promise and permit citizens of Canada, the United States and Mexico to move and work freely among the three countries . . . .

      A policy of borders without visas would in fact be more restrictive and formal than the system that applied through much of American history because it would depend on proper identification — either a passport or some other recognized papers — to cross from one country into the other . . . .

      Free movement would be more secure than our current system, removing Mexican workers’ incentive to swim across the Rio Grande and allowing U.S. Customs and Border Protection to track everybody who’s entering the country legitimately, with 100% assurance that anybody who crosses the border in secret is up to no good.

      —-Tim Cavanaugh

      Los Angeles Times, March 23, 2006

      https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-may-23-oe-cavanaugh23-story.html

      P.S. Cavanaugh references St. Reagan proposing free movement between the U.S. Canada and Mexico when he was campaigning. Our border policies should be seen as both a source of frustration for conservatives and a means of progressive control.

    3. Gallup asked a woke immigration question to further confuse and dupe readers and politicians (and promote illegal immigration).

      Had Gallup included the key word “illegal” in its question (i.e. Do you support increasing or decreasing illegal immigration into the US?), they would have found >90% support decreasing illegal immigration.

      While I (like most Americans) support increasing legal immigration, I vehemently oppose increasing overall immigration because far more illegal immigrants have crossed the Mexican border (since Biden invited them) than legal immigrants.

      1. Yeah, they confused the question. It’s like asking people whether they support the troops in Afghanistan. I support the troops whether they’re in Afghanistan or Camp Pendleton (north of San Diego). I also support a full withdrawal from Afghanistan. You might say I support a full withdrawal from Afghanistan because I support the troops in Afghanistan! So, what’s anybody supposed to learn about my opinion from a question worded like that?

        I support legal immigration because I want more Mexicans to come here and compete for jobs. My support for legalizing recreational cannabis had a lot to do with my opposition to street gangs, too. Legalizing immigration is, likewise, anti-illegal immigration. There are people out there who are against both legal immigration and illegal immigration, and trying to put libertarians like us in the same boat with them is irrational and wrong.

    4. ” An open border means a Senate ratified treaty between the U.S. and Mexico, which would allow Mexican citizens to cross the border at a checkpoint without a visa–simply by showing a U.S. approved (or issued) identification.”

      Yeppers.

    5. It’s just too minor of an issue. Most people don’t care, because most people aren’t affected by it. In the border towns it’s a huge issue, elsewhere it’s a wedge.
      The biggest issue with immigration policy is we don’t have one. We can poll folks however often we want and read the tea leaves for fun, but until we have a system that even pretends to be consistent and order things, then the it’s just fantasy.

      1. I think swing voters in the swing state Midwest really do care, and that’s one of the reasons why Trump did so well in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin in 2016.

        In fact, I think the reason Biden is caving on immigration and reinstituting the same policies Trump used is because the Biden administration is concerned that people care a lot.

        1. We will see. Until it’s actually handled in any way legislatively, rather than random and ever changing, vaguely extra constitutional, Executive Actions then the people don’t take it very seriously.
          This is a legislatively issue first and foremost, and though Congress is extremely dysfunctional currently, it’s also true that they ultimately tend to focus on the issues that get them votes. Currently, that appears to lean significantly more towards debt spending for cash payout than immigration.

        2. If Trump had won a second term, I do think a US-Mexico-Canada immigration treaty would have been on the legislative menu. Cracking down on illegal immigration, securing the border, and negotiating safe third country agreements were the first step toward comprehensive immigration reform. The USMCA has (had?) a lot of potential in a lot of areas, not just immigration.

    6. If the U.S. employs a relatively weak stance on border security as is happening now, it effectively cedes control of the border to the cartels.

      You cannot have open borders and a welfare state and illegal immigration weakens the country regardless.

      As an aside, there is an excellent Soho Forum debate from probably 2016 about immigration for anyone that is interested in hearing it.

  16. “Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D–Mass.) war on profitable and popular tech companies continues.”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    If Elizabeth Warren, or any other modern Democrat, posed any legitimate threat to tech companies, then the leaders of those companies wouldn’t unanimously want Democrats in power.

    This is just OpenBordersLiberal-tarian’s First Law again. Democrats are wisely firing up their low-info poor voters for the 2022 midterms.

    #BillionairesForBiden

    1. Warren isn’t fighting a war, she’s just shaking the money tree.

      1. Some kind of vision quest?

        1. Making it Rain dance

          1. Nice

      2. Running the government mafia style.

  17. …unlike Masterpiece Cakeshop, this case indubitably involves the creation of speech, and not just of a wedding cake, so it squarely tees up the compelled-creation-of-speech issue.

    If you can smear it on the new ball-and-chain’s face it ain’t speech. Geocities sites, on the other hand…

    1. “not just of a wedding cake” really shows how Tkkkreason magazine disrespects both speech and marriage.

      1. It was a quote from Volokh, not Reason, but don’t let that stop the Reason bashing.

        1. Nice to meet you. I’m BUCS. I haven’t been around much lately, but hopefully you’ll get to know me.

          1. Welcome back!

          2. Don’t waste your time on Mike he is Tony light

            1. Mike Liarson is a squawking bird named Dee.

            2. Yeah. The BUCS should not stop here.

    2. Dancing in a strip club is free speech. Burning a US flag is free speech. Making a custom cake for a specific event is…complicated.

  18. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-pro-democracy-protester-convicted-under-hong-kong-national-security-law

    The maximum penalty under the national security law is life in prison, and it’s possible Tong could receive the maximum. The date of his sentencing hasn’t yet been set, according to the BBC.

    Tong was sentenced without a jury, departing from Hong Kong’s longstanding tradition of holding jury trials in criminal cases. Hong Kong’s secretary of justice (under the thumb of Beijing) rejected a request by Tong’s defense team to bring in a jury, reportedly claiming that the trail could “put the jury in danger” given the political climate (after all, if they dared to acquit Tong, they might be the next ones to be arrested).

    1. Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement exploded in 2019 in response to a new law being considered by the territorial government that would make Hong Kongers – or anyone traveling through the territory – vulnerable to prosecution in China. Protests rocked the city, creating major economic disruptions until COVID finally put an end to the public demonstrations. In response, Beijing imposed the national security law on Hong Kong, using a loophole in the Hong Kong constitution, enabling authorities to crack down on any ‘pro-democracy’ movement members.

    2. The dems are looking at the CCP as role models

      1. Was thinking the same, political prisoners and forced oaths of fealty are not the stuff of democracy.

  19. Biden’s temporary child tax credit is divisive, with 35 percent of voters opposed to it and 35 percent saying it should become permanent.

    Breeders vs barren.

    1. ITS A REAL HANDMAID’S TALE!

      1. Man, this interface could really use some polishing. I wish when you hit the flag comment button on mobile it asked for a confirmation.
        What I’m saying is, Earth Skeptic I’m sorry and I just flagged your post for review.

        1. Nobody reviews flagged comments, anyway.

          1. Feature by DEEsign

        2. Meh. Maybe my all caps will trigger the Hihn rule.

  20. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/majority-hospitalized-covid-patients-uk-only-tested-positive-after-admission-leaked-nih

    Over half of those hospitalized with Covid-19 in the UK only tested positive after admission – suggesting that “vast numbers are being classed as hospitalised by Covid when they were admitted with other ailments, with the virus picked up by routine testing,” according to The Telegraph, citing leaked government figures.

    1. No, say it ain’t so.

    2. So same type of bullshit as last year.

    3. Breaking it down, out of more than 780 hospitalizations dated last Thursday, 44% tested positive within 14 days prior to admission, while 43% tested positive within two days of admission, and 13% tested positive ‘in the days and weeks that followed’ – including those likely to have caught the virus in the hospital.

      The “with vs. of” overstatement is right there. This report is making a mountain out of a molehill: if it doesn’t make a difference to me whether I have COVID some other respiratory infection, then why would I bother taking a test? It’s all fluids and bedrest anyway, unless something goes wrong.

      The vast majority who have been admitted with COVID are there because of COVID. There aren’t vast swarms of pregnant ladies and heart attack victims that are discovered to have COVID upon admission.

      1. “Even though the data shows that more than half the people listed as being in the hospital for covid actually came in for something else then happened to test positive for covid, I’m going to continue believing covid sent the majority there…”

        1. It’s not about belief; I actually work with this data. There’s a financial incentive to test everyone and capture extraneous cases, but there’s no strings on which DRG you bill Medicare for upon discharge. This means that the DRGs which have nothing to do infectious disease or respiratory infections should have a high share of the COVID-positives if things were being severely overstated but they don’t: in my own internal figures 75% of the final billed DRGs of COVID patients fall into one of those two service lines compared to 12% of non-COVID patients.

          the data shows that more than half the people listed as being in the hospital for covid actually came in for something else

          It doesn’t show that at all. Read your own article:

          Crucially, this group [patients not detected until they underwent standard Covid tests] does not distinguish between those admitted because of severe illness, later found to be caused by the virus, and those in hospital for different reasons who might otherwise never have known that they had picked it up.

          1. No offense, but your comments about financial incentives are way off base.

            These data are from the UK. Nationalized health care. There’s no Medicare in the UK.

            All this explains why there’s such a different result in statistics that were rather shocking when announced: 40% of hospitalized with covid are vaccinated… well, it’s not that covid hospitalized them. It’s that they got exposed, and it got picked up on a (notoriously sensitive) test, so it’s not at all the same thing as vaccinated people getting sick with the ‘rona and having to be hospitalized for it.

      2. The vast majority who have been admitted with COVID are there because of COVID. There aren’t vast swarms of pregnant ladies and heart attack victims that are discovered to have COVID upon admission.
        ——-
        Except that 30% of our covid hospitalizations ARE pregnant women.

        https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

  21. I knew the Biden Era would be awesome. I just didn’t know it would be THIS awesome.

    The 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $229 billion this year.

    The efficiency with which the Biden economy concentrates wealth at the very top has been nothing short of remarkable.

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

  22. “”I think it’s insane that over 40 executive branch agencies have police forces. The EPA shouldn’t be able to raid anything or anybody,” Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, and co-sponsor of the RPM Act, told the Washington Examiner.”

    Right! Federal agent raids are the jurisdiction of the CDC and their Ant-Eviction Squads.

    1. Hey! What is the Department of Education, chopped liver?

    2. Being killed by an EPA swat team would be embarrassing. What happened to time honored traditions, like being killed in a botched HRT raid?

      1. Hey, DOL! Still waiting for that cite after you claimed Ken always lies! Can’t find even one?
        I guess that makes you the liar, right lefty asshole?

    3. What’s insane is that very few people have noticed that over 40 executive branch agencies have their own police force. Which means they no longer have to rely on the FBI or the DoJ to enforce their edicts, they are now effectively judge, jury, and executioner, a law unto themselves, completely independent of the rest of government. We’re being ruled by warlords at this point.

      1. What happens if the EPA finds that the CDC vaccine is an environmental hazard?

        1. Antietam loses it distinction as the the bloodiest day in American history?

        2. Nothing happens to the CDC, but heaven help anyone who “improperly” disposed of a vial of the stuff.

    4. Evicting ants is hell.

    5. Now the Legislative Branch is getting their own nationwide secret police force, unburdened by FOIA and other oversight requirements

    6. Wonder if EPA thugs use all non-lead bullets in their ammo.

  23. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

    Approximately 59 million Americans spanning five states can’t buy Dell’s high-end Alienware brand desktop PCs “due to power consumption regulations.”

    When one goes to the Dell Alienware online configurator to buy an Aurora R12 gaming desktop, a special notice appears which reads:

    This product cannot be shipped to the states of California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont or Washington due to power consumption regulations adopted by those states. Any orders placed that are bound for those states will be canceled.

    1. But an electric car pulling 50 amps is cool.

      1. Nobody does the math on EVs.

        Poker buddy was bragging on his new EV the other day. I asked him what a full charge was going to cost him from his home 110v charger. He had no idea.

        1. It costs $15 to fill my model y full charge.

      2. Lithium battery combustion is cool, too. Am waiting for public trans incident to bring this home to the grievance and outrage crowd.

        1. Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair!!!!!! ™

          Wait, what were we talking about?

    2. WTF!!!

    3. That is really, really weird. It’s not even that beefy of a computer. A part of me hopes that it’s just it has so many LEDs that even when idling it’s violating the Paris Accord or the Geneva Convention, or whatever.

      1. Agreed.

        There are plenty of older graphics cards that pull way more juice than those entire systems.

    4. Especially hilarious in Washington, where we have the cheapest, most reliable electricity in the country.

  24. ride-sharing options have made a significant dent in drunk-driving deaths, as well as deaths resulting from traffic accidents overall.

    However, the additional COVID deaths cancel this out.

    1. Is driving off a cliff after getting drunk after getting laid off after business shut-downs a COVID death?

  25. “Why are Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) agents raiding auto repair shops? ”

    Just wait until EPA agents raid prohibited gas stations, and infiltrate black markets that supply illegal “juice”.

    1. Look, I was told this morning for the nth time this week that it’s already too late for climate change. The EPA knows it is all over, let them have their fun you monster.

  26. I see the House has kicked off their totally fair and impartial examination of the War of January 6, the one where an unarmed band of yahoos came within a hairsbreadth of overthrowing the US government, AKA Trump’s next impeachment.

    1. Gotta keep the Trumpster in the voters’ minds ’til November 2022.

    2. If they can investigate Ben ghazi 69 times or whatever, one investigation sounds like a good start.

      Seriously though, it warrants examination. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. And boy is this icky.

      1. Lol. God damn man. What sunshine? Pelosi actions on denying Capitol Police staffing requests of a known event is already off the table. There are already 12 different committee investigations. They won’t investigate the cop shooting an unarmed woman.

        But you like and support the politics of it. Stop lying it is about getting to the truth because you already called 80 year old grandmothers walking through the Capitol traitors and insurrectionists.

        1. A mob is not unarmed, you ignorant partisan traitor.

          Here, I’ll provide the report for you : ” Lol. Death for traitors. Fin.”

          1. Looks like espresso is suicidal

          2. What firearms were they carrying?

            1. Who said firearms? Although it turns out that some where armed.

              You guys are fucking lame. They were chanting death to Pence death to Pelosi, etc. while refusing to follow orders, trespassing, and attacking cops with many makeshift weapons, including an american flag.

              If these were BLM and anti-fa types, you’d be screaming at your TV for the cops to shoot.

              Traitors, the lot of you.

              https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-riot-firearm-guy-reffitt/

              “Prosecutors have charged a fourth Capitol riot defendant with a firearms violation …
              The defendant, Guy Reffitt, of Wylie, Texas, was charged with two new crimes in a superseding indictment Thursday, which alleged that he transported a rifle and a semi-automatic handgun to D.C. and that he carried the semi-automatic handgun while on U.S. Capitol grounds January 6.”

              1. Hey, now you’re lying about reality! How far will you go exactly in defending an oppressively overbearing state?

                prosecutors said Reffitt had told his family that he’d brought his gun to D.C. and had “stormed the Capitol,” but they hadn’t previously charged him with a firearms violation.

                Man stunning evidence here. He wasn’t shown at the protests with a gun, not arrested there, but they swear he committed an admission to his family. Lock him up forever!

                And to go along with your other “evidence” which includes gun violations days before the event and not at the event.

                You are a statist. You want to lock up those you disagree with. While excusing the BLM riots for a full summer. You’re a partisan piece of trash.

                Amazing how the only gun used that day was by an officer who killed an unarmed veteran. And you applaud it and probably rewatch the video nightly to get off. You’re pathetic.

          3. Thanks for proving my point dummy. You’re nothing but a statist who supports federal powers to harm people as long as they disagree with your politics.

      2. They should all have been shot in the face for trespassing on public property. A few more summary executions will stop people from protesting, amirite?

        1. At least “unapproved” protests.

      3. The DOJ is already doing that. The FBI has arrested hundreds and they’re still at it. What are a bunch of moronic politicians going to find that the FBI can’t?

      4. “…And boy is this icky.”

        You bet! Shoes on Pelosi’s desk! Fake fire extinguisher deaths! Nyties! NYTIES, I tell ya!
        Oh, and an unarmed protester shot and murdered by a cop.
        Up yours, you lying lefty asshole.

      5. Seriously though, it warrants examination. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. And boy is this icky.

        Good for you, DOL. I’m sure that you also apply this mind-frame to the 2020 election fraud instances… right?

        1. That’s different because… Shut up that’s why

      6. If they can investigate Ben ghazi 69 times or whatever, one investigation sounds like a good start.

        What difference, at this point, does it make?

        1. -Matt “Child Rapist” Gaetz

          1. I’m pretty sure that was Hillary “Russia robbed me” Clinton.

          2. LOL. You’re even pushing this leftist narrative??? Even CNN and MSNBC stopped with that narrative. Well, you do still claim Trump/Russia is proven and he is a secret agent. So not like you are actually non partisan nor sane. What are your views on 9/11? You seem the Truther type.

    3. The Trump Mob is being referred to as “the terrorists” by the capitol police witnesses. Armed or not it the Trump terrorists were extremely violent.

      Sometimes terrorists only need some box-cutters to accomplish their goal.

      1. “Sometimes terrorists only need some box-cutters”

        Except they didn’t even have that, you fascistic piece-of-shit.

        You’re advocating for the Stasi, you authoritarian suckhole.

      2. There were no box cutters either pedo.

        1. There were plenty of weapons wielded by the Trump terrorists, you Qanon moron.

          Flagpoles, metal racks, chains, etc.

          If you support terrorists like this then you are one. ML too. You both wanted Trump mobs to capture Pence and hang him.

          1. turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
            turd lies in every post, such as this one.
            Turd lies; it’s what he does.

          2. Flagpoles, metal racks, chains, etc.”

            Not one of those things are weapons, you slimey, demagogic fuck. 200 protesters with flags versus 2000 cops with handguns, isn’t terrorism no matter how you slice it.

            “If you support terrorists like this then you are one”

            This is the single most anti-libertarian comment ever posted here. Why are you even here, fascist?

            1. You’re the one ignoring the NAP.

              That Trump Mob used violence and force to obtain a political goal and further that goal via fear.

              That is the definition of “terrorism”.

              Your MAGA mob is a terrorist mob.

              1. turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
                turd lies in every post, such as this one.
                Turd lies; it’s what he does.

              2. What did they obtain?

                Meanwhile you support democrats using the entire DoJ and FBI to go after unarmed protesters who committed jo violence. So far the 2 convictions were one for parading by a grandmother and the other 18 months despite prosecution saying he committed no violence nor damage to the building.

                Youre a fascist fuck.

                1. “Youre a fascist fuck.”

                  Self awareness levels going negative!

                  We all know that if the mob had succeeded somehow, and prevented a presidential transition of power, and today Trump was now dictator, you’d all be cheering.

                  1. prevented a presidential transition of power

                    It doesn’t work that way. You know that, but you lie because it is not OK for people to protest the actual thing they have a problem with. Otherwise the freeway blockers, window smashers and car burners disrupting the lives of everyday citizens to provoke action look like thugs under the sway of political operatives that they really are.

                    1. He’s too dumb to even know that the voting in the House chamber is basically just a procedural show. it is not required by the constitution.

                  2. We’re they carrying their I’m a terrorist Id cards? If not then there is no way they are terrorists

                  3. “What if! What if! What if! What if!”

                    Inventing an alternative history scenario based on your Big Lie about the protesters intentions, isn’t exactly a rebuttal, you fascist, demagoging fuck.

                    Now tell us all how the Jews and Commies burnt the Reichstag, DOL.

                  4. But the problem is that there is no conceivable way that it could have prevented a normal transition of power. Even if they had taken hostages or something, I see no way that leads to Trump being president for life or even staying on office for 4 more years. You can’t stage a coup if all you have is some internet weirdos with bear spray and grandmas with flags.

                    1. Some people seem to think the Capitol is some sort of Magic Building “the Sacred Citadel of Democracy”. In reality you can’t control jack shit just by occupying that building but it’s no use telling some people.

                    2. He knows this, he just supports Democrats ability to use this to further federal overreach.

                  5. You keep living in a fantasy world to justify your fascism. The riots were over after 20 minutes. There were 100 armed people in the Capitol, all of them officers. You are so partisan and fascist you want to use this to justify authoritarian overreaches.

                    I’m sure you were just as scared during Kavanaugh’s testimony or the 2016 objections including riots for the inauguration.

                    I’m sure you think nothing of Portland trying to burn officers alive in a building.

                    You’re using a fantasy world to justify increased federal power. You’re an authoritarian by definition.

              3. That Trump Mob used violence and force to obtain a political goal

                What “violence” getting shot in the head by cops? Police batons and truncheons versus a 5 ounce plastic flag pole?
                Every single other protest at the Capitol in the last year was far more violent and you know it, fascist.

                This is a Reichstag Fire and you’re a paid shill for the Big Lie.

              4. Only a handful used any force or destroyed property. The majority of the people in the building did nothing but walk through the doors.

                And of course, you pieces of shit completely ignore the 20000 plus crowd that did absolutely nothing, until you’re trying to lump them all together.

          3. Mother’s is Canadian, so he’s more of a terrorist wannabe at best.

            1. Mike’s a lying lefty pile of shit.

            2. You misspelled fire extinguisher. And H02

              1. Don’t forget the claim of murder by bear spray.

            3. Keep squawking Dee.

            4. White Mike is a fascist, and I mean that literally. I’m not using hyperbole here.

              Nobody who advocates for censorship like White Mike, nobody who shills corporatism like White Mike, nobody who pushes political prosecutions and reeducation like White Mike, nobody who wants to control thought like White Mike, could be anything else.

              Look at all the lies he told about the January sixth protests, and he knew they were lies, and yet he still told them.

          4. Lol. Okay.

            At least you’re starting to get into violence porn instead of just child porn.

            Keep repeating leftists narratives like a good biden fanboy.

      3. “is being referred to as “the terrorists” by the capitol police

        The attacks on the Whitehouse and the senate’s Kavanagh hearings by team (D) were both far more violent and destructive. If this isn’t a fascist Reichstag Fire by the establishment, nothing is.

        1. Multiple dropped assault charges for the Kavanaugh disruption. Wont even bother toy ell the pedo about the d.c. blm riots or the 2017 inauguration violence.

      4. turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
        turd lies in every post, such as this one.
        Turd lies; it’s what he does.

      5. We should be careful of that too. The deaths of 9/11 were a tragedy, but the reaction we had afterwards was the true goal and the true success achieved by the terrorists.
        I’m not going to say this investigation is the same as the fallout from 9/11, but we should be wary of overemphasizing what happened there and making it a huge issue to build off of.

      6. Who was brandishing a box cutter?

    4. Saw a portion this morning on the news and they showed the protesters building a hanging tree as evidence of intent. ironic since just a few months before when Antifa/BLM did the same thing at teh capital it was called a political opinion freedom of speech and not intent of harm.

      1. Wasn’t blm carting around a guillotine? And going to politicians houses banging on doors?

        1. That’s not a threat to democracy! (Or is that “threat to Democrats”?)

  27. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-german-hybrid-war-against-poland-intensifying

    What recently happened is that Poland’s hoped-for Baltic Pipe’s construction was delayed by the US’ and Germany’s Danish ally. This powerfully impacts on the country’s energy security policy and will therefore compel it to continue relying on cheaper but more “politically sensitive” (from the perspective of the Polish leadership) Russian supplies. Just prior to that, the influential Washington Post published a scathing editorial imploring American decision makers to push back against Poland’s plans to regain control of a US-owned anti-government broadcaster that’s been stirring Colo Revolution unrest in the country. They ominously concluded their article by writing that “The United States must use all the leverage it can muster to ensure that independent television news in the country survives.” Finally, it became official that the US and Germany cut a deal with Russia over Nord Stream II, which Poland regards as being at the expense of its national interests.

    1. But Alberta can go fuck itself…

      1. Yes, let those Albertan’s know their fucking place.

  28. “As Jan. 6 probe begins, Dem vows: ‘We have to get it right'”
    https://www.chron.com/politics/article/capitol-riot-committee-Dems-vow-to-get-it-right-16339991.php

    They’ve got everyone studying the script; don’t want anyone forgetting their lines!

  29. Biden’s temporary child tax credit is divisive, with 35 percent of voters opposed to it and 35 percent saying it should become permanent.

    Meh. Practically any issue divides the country evenly.

  30. “Can entire societies become more or less depressed over time?”

    No, but they can be oppressed. (See CRT)

    1. Yeah, I don’t care what those folks say about “warmth” and all that bullshit. I’m happy with the transition to LED screens, and hope to own an OLED someday.

      1. QLed is the way to go.

    1. He was just asking for it dressed like that.

      1. Both better and more accurate: *She* was just asking for it dressed like that.

    2. Maybe next time don’t taunt Muslims in Muslim countries like Hyde Park.

  31. “Biden’s temporary child tax credit is divisive”

    What’s a temporary child? Seems like in modern progressive culture, people are children forever.

    1. Unless they are disposable.

    2. Maybe they’re children scheduled for humane, postpartum abortions?

    3. “What’s a temporary child?”

      It’s an infant more accurately described as a “Short Term Kid.”
      Just like veal for beef eaters, children bring a higher price in the Soylent Green market.

      And yes I am apologizing in advance.

    4. When abortion limitations are relaxed.

  32. A biden transition official was quietly awarded a 90 million dollar contract to house illegal immigrants despite no previous history doing so. After outrage from various outlets biden ends this official from future bids. Original bid seems fine I guess.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-transition-official-87-million-house-migrants-banned-working-ice-contracts

    1. I wonder if the transition official is in business with Joe’s brother. There is a history of that with the Biden’s.

  33. Hunter was arranging lobbying jobs for The Big Guy while Joe was VP.

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/emails-show-hunter-biden-lined-up-lucrative-lobbying-gig-for-then-veep-dad-joe/

    This is on top of the revelation that he was using secret emails to forward government documents to his son.

    1. The electorate could’ve learned all this before the election, but it’s almost like their was a conspiratorial effort amongst journalists and Social Media companies to keep the information suppressed… and Reason helped.

      1. Principals over principles.

  34. Just because it helped that doesn’t mean you should ignore obvious issues present throughout the gig economy.

    That said, aren’t we happy that VCs are all too happy to light money on fire keeping these firms alive? I wonder how they’ll ever make a profit unless they’re just looking to eventually do nothing but driverless cars (which seems pretty sketchy to trust drunk people not to mess with them.)

    1. “Just because it helped that doesn’t mean you should ignore obvious issues present throughout the gig economy…”

      Unless you’re part of the company or one of the contractors, it’s none of your business, lefty shit.

      1. ignore obvious issues present throughout the gig economy…”
        How dare people make money independently?

      2. Raspberry just knows that government could confiscate that money and spend more wisely (or at least more justly).

    2. I wonder how they’ll ever make a profit unless they’re just looking to eventually do nothing but driverless cars

      Seemed to me that this was always the end goal.

    3. Just because it helped that doesn’t mean you should ignore obvious issues present throughout the gig economy.

      Guess Brock’s Bobbleheads aren’t pushing “funemployment” anymore.

      “Gotta get yo hustle on in the new gig economy, yo!”

    4. Someone will figure it out. A lot of the initial companies trying an idea ultimately falter or disappear. Someone will take the idea and do it in an efficient way.

  35. “I think it’s insane that over 40 executive branch agencies have police forces.”

    Really?
    And I think you will find all of them armed with assault pistols carrying over 10 rounds, and those deadly assault rifles that fire each time the trigger is pulled.

    How about we reduce it to the Secret Service and the US Marshals.
    Then put all those pistols Obama bought the other agencies into the CMP.
    The FBI can just do the “I” part, and if they actually find a real criminal, not manufactured in their own factory, they can present the case to the US Marshals for search warrants or arrests.

    1. How are you going to hire anyone for a crappy government job if they won’t get a chance to shoot someone?

      1. Offer a student debt forgiveness plan?

      2. There’s still the unaccountable petty tyranny and swanky pension.

        1. You get most of them at “unaccountable petty tyranny”.

  36. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-cdc-quietly-abandoning-pcr-test-covid

    After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

    Visit the FDA website for a list of authorized COVID-19 diagnostic methods. For a summary of the performance of FDA-authorized molecular methods with an FDA reference panel, visit this page.

    In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.

    1. https://twitter.com/PhilWMagness/status/1419732664983117827

      Fascinating. BodyPolitic, aka the group that convinced the NIH to devote $1 billion to studying “Long Covid,” has scrubbed its website to obscure the fact that it’s run by a bunch of magic crystal psychic healer types.

  37. “Forever war never ends, it just gets reclassified…”

    It could’ve ended, but mean tweets, and let’s not forget Amash deliberately lied about what the Mueller report said about the one guy actually trying to the troops out… and Reason played along.

    Fucking disgusting.

    1. If anyone knows lying it’s you.

      Still waiting for you to back up your claims that I’ve said anti-Semitic things. I’ll quit posting here if you can cite me saying the crap you claimed.

      1. Soooooo sorry… it was anti-ISRAELI racial characteristics with particular opprobrium towards beanie-wearing, sabbath-observing ISRAELIS, that you inveighed against.

        Better now, you antisemitic fuck?

        1. Please cite me saying those things or shut the fuck up you liar.

          Again if anybody can cite me saying such despicable crap I’ll quit posting here.

          1. You think that I won’t bother to look back through hundreds of Roundups, don’t you. Well it might take a week, but I’ll make sure to keep a link when I find it, you Jew-hating, anti-Mormon serial killer.

            1. Please, please do!

              Either cite me saying that shit or shut the fuck up!

            2. If I do it as often as you claim I do it shouldn’t be hard.

              I’ll quit posting if you can cite me saying that crap.

              1. Asshole gets 3 flags!

                1. Rummy gets more senile!

            3. Haha. KARen ain’t killing nobody. He’s just a little pussy with the intellect of a 12 year old. Harmless.

              1. If I’m such a pussy why not tell me which shithole suburb you live in so we can meet up and watch South Park buddy?

                Anyone who thinks the Sex Pistols are the pinnacle of edgy punk is the real loser.

                Now shut up cowardly little traitor

                1. Fuck off Mormon’s Himmler.

                  1. Have you found me saying the crap you’ve claimed yet?

      2. asshole lfagged

        1. rummy lsenile

    2. What’s an ‘Amash’?

    3. Don’t forget the Pentagon lying to the president about troop levels, and how the progs thought it was just HILARIOUS that Trump got owned by an unaccountable military.

      1. That’s how you knew for sure that Buttplug, chemjeff and White Knight weren’t even left-libertarians. They were flat out fascist authoritarians.

  38. https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1419755154564321286

    A fourth-grade student said she was given an “equity survey” in class that she was not allowed to share with her parents.

    “Being asked to hide this from my mom made me very uncomfortable, like I was doing something wrong…”

    1. State endorsed indoctrination against parents wishes. This started with teachers getting kids birth control, abortion, then moved to supporting them transitioning and encouraging transgenderism, and now it is just pure indoctrination.

      1. “Give me the child…”

    2. I have been assured by Jeff that she must in fact be in graduate school

    3. We should basically teach our kids that if anyone ever says, “You can’t tell your parents about what’s happening.” that you immediately go tell your parents.

      And before anyone asks, it’s not that I’m worried about kids getting hurt, as much as I hate surprise parties.

  39. Remember how last week the “bipartisan” group of Senators were supposed to have the details of the infrastructure deal ironed out and ready to vote on by Monday?

    Monday came and went–where’s the infrastructure deal?

    It’s never over until it’s over, and it’s certainly possible that they could agree to an infrastructure deal before Congress goes into recess in August, but it appear that the infrastructure blew up on Sunday evening, and the Biden administration, the Democrats, and Senators Susan Collins, Murkowski, and Romney have been trying to put it back together again.

    Those three never-Trumpers have about as much pull in the Senate as Liz Cheney does in the House. And it’s important to remember that this infrastructure deal is not being negotiated by the Republican leadership in the Senate. If the infrastructure deal collapses in the Senate, McConnell has nothing to lose in terms of his credibility as the Republican leader in the Senate. In fact, he has credibility to gain if it fails without his having negotiated it.

    What’s really interesting about this, and where I might be succumbing to wishful thinking a little bit, is that where the House Democrats as recently as last week were threatening to withhold support for this infrastructure deal unless Democrat Senators like Manchin and Tester passed the $3.5 trillion reconciliation deal first, Manchin, at this point, is threatening to not pass the $3.5 trillion reconciliation deal if the Democrats don’t cave on the infrastructure deal.

    “Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) put his Democratic colleagues on notice Monday night, predicting they would not be able to pass a massive $3.5 trillion spending plan if attempts to piece together a bipartisan $1.2 trillion infrastructure fail.

    “I would say that if a bipartisan infrastructure bill falls apart, everything could fall apart,” Manchin told reporters. “… Both of them are extremely important, but [if] one falls apart, how do you do the other one? How’s the other one become more important?”

    —-New York Post, July 27, 2021

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/sen-joe-manchin-on-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-everything-could-fall-apart-if-it-fails/

    I wish this meant that the $3.5 trillion reconciliation deal couldn’t pass the Senate if the infrastructure deal if falling apart, but my read on this is that what Manchin is saying is that if the part of the infrastructure deal that finances connecting West Virginia to the interstate highway system isn’t rolled into the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill, then he won’t support the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. This doesn’t mean that the reconciliation bill won’t pass. It means that the two bills will be combined and passed without any Republican support.

    So, here’s how I’d rank the possible outcomes from a libertarian capitalist perspective.

    1) Neither the infrastructure bill nor the reconciliation bill pass.
    2) Both bills pass without any significant Republican support.
    3) The infrastructure bill passes with legitimate Republican support and the reconciliation bill passes without it.

    I want to believe that outcome 1 is possible, but given where we are at the moment, I suspect 2 is the most likely of the three outcomes. Regardless of outcome, if the infrastructure bill passes with a handful of Republicans on board, we should all scoff at those who call that “bipartisan”. There isn’t anything bipartisan about a bill passing over the objections of the 75% of the Republicans in the Senate–and none of the leadership on board.

    1. Shorter Ken: Vote for Republican authoritarians! They’re less-bad than Democrat totalitarians!

      1. And sarc is on his 2nd Irish coffee of the morning. Minus the coffee.

        1. It’s both racist and cruel to blame the Irish for sarc’s stupidity.

          1. You telling me that Ken didn’t spend pages and pages explaining how Republicans are “mere” authoritarians who “only” want to control what you do, while evil totalitarian Democrats want to control what you think?

            We both know the answer is yes. Let’s see if you’re honest or not.

            1. I mean yes he did. Whatever. Watch the trolls have fun with that. Well, you can watch. All I see is grey.

              1. So someone robbing a bank, and someone fantasizing about robbing a bank is the same exact thing to sarcasmic. He believes a crime of imagination is as bad as the real thing.

                This isn’t even sophism. It’s demonstrating the critical thinking skills of a rock. I knew sarcasmic was a brain-dead drunk, but this takes the cake.

            2. No rational person would deny that Republicans are more pro-freedom than Democrats. Both Sides is a fantasy. It’s just the facts

        2. Irish Creme rocks. Don’t know what you’re going on about.

          1. Irish Coffee requires whisky. Whiskey plus irish creme is not a great combo, coffee is definitely needed on top of it.

            But the point is Sarcasmic is an alcoholic.

      2. Yes, those darn Republican authoritarians, who impose their authority by preventing Democrats from micromanaging society, taking over the economy, and controlling public discourse. Pushing individual liberty and autonomy is the worst kind of authority!

        1. When did Republicans start pushing for individual liberty and autonomy? Seriously. They talk a good game, but actions are more important.

          1. I know. Tax cuts, reduced regulations, federalism instead of increasing federal powers. What libertarian would ever support that!

            1. But that’s all pretty weak tea. Sure, it’s worth supporting as far as it goes. And Democrats have pretty much nothing to offer libertarians right now.
              I think it’s fair to say Republicans talk a good game but mostly fail to deliver.

              1. Right now, Republicans are supportive of school choice, free speech, gun rights, they are much, much better on Covid policies and are broadly against vaccine passports or mandatory vaccinations.

                Conversely, the dems support censorship, gun restrictions, lockdowns, racism, vaccine passports and even mandatory vaccinations.

                There is no question as to which party, right now, has more to offer libertarians.

              2. Also, progs are weakening property rights via their affection for petty thieves and the homeless.

                It’s hard to maintain the free enterprise system without the institutions of property rights and a properly functioning judiciary, which are both being destroyed in blue cities and states.

                The dems are full on Marxist. They have nothing in common with libertarianism.

              3. A small step towards liberty is better than no steps. I do’nt know why people argue against taking small steps. It just seems weird.

                Take a small step, gain popularity, take more small steps.

                You can’t always run for 90 yard Kick off returns.

                1. I agree.

                  I do know why people oppose imperfect small steps, though. It’s called cynicism (in the original, philosophical sense).

          2. You see, Republicans are the “good guys”, except for all the bad shit that they do.

            Too many people here are trapped by black/white thinking, and this includes our Master Logician Himself, Ken. Democrats are the villains, so Republicans are the heroes! They can’t BOTH be bad, or at least bad enough. Oh no. There must be a hero for every villain.

            1. Ken blew a gasket and muted me when I pointed out the logical conclusions of his own words.

              I guess logic is an ad hominem attack now.

              1. Lol. You’re whining about being muted and boasting about muting people in the exact same thread.

                Sasuga, sacasmic.

              2. You’ve never used logic dummy.

            2. You are a lying sack of shit who never makes an honest argument. Let’s start there

          3. Just opposing current and proposed Democratic policy is certain to boost liberty and autonomy. If Republicans are otherwise ineffective, then its a win-win.

    2. I largely agree with Ken’s insights and views, but West Virginia is already connected to the US Interstate highway system (although cell phone and internet coverage isn’t available in many places).

      What new Interstate is Manchin proposing be built through WV?

      1. Approximately 10% of the Appalachian Development Highway System is incomplete, and of what’s there, plenty needs to be done for highways, bridges, and such to draw manufacturing and distribution operations into West Virginia and make them viable. Manchin wants to draw those manufacturing and distribution jobs to West Virginia, where the cost of living and labor is relatively cheap, in the hope that this will help the econmy of West Virginia as coal mining jobs continue to evaporate.

        https://www.irontontribune.com/2021/06/27/portman-manchin-introduce-bill-to-finish-appalachian-development-highway-system/

        The Biden administration has effectively carved the Green New Deal up into various bills, and the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill contains a lot of Green New Deal legislation and spending. What support there is for a Democrat in West Virginia is coming from the coal mining unions, primarily, and they aren’t likely to forgive him for voting for that legislation unless he gets something else for West Virginia in return. The United Mine Workers are part of the AFL-CIO, and they also represent “truck drivers, manufacturing workers, and public employees” (citation below), all of whom would benefit from this spending.

        That’s why the Democrats are threatening Manchin’s infrastructure bill spending (which I believe is in addition to that bill he introduced) if he doesn’t support their $3.5 reconciliation Green New Deal spending, and that’s why Manchin is essentially telling the other Democrats that he won’t support the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill with all the Green New Deal spending unless they take care of his infrastructure bill so he he can bring the bacon home to West Virginia.

        1. “The United Mine Workers of America (UMW or UMWA) is a North American labor union best known for representing coal miners. Today, the Union also represents health care workers, truck drivers, manufacturing workers and public employees”

          —-United Mine Workers

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Mine_Workers

          They’re part of the AFL-CIO, which probably wants the infrastructure bill like fat kids want cake.

          1. In WV and SWVA there are probably more health care worker UMW members than members who work actual mines.

        2. As one who lives in and drives through Appalachia (Western PA, WV and SE OH), I think new Interstates would do very little (except for the contractors who construct them) to promote the local economy, although tourism might be boosted slightly.

          A nearly 100 mile long new limited access four lane highway (Route 43) was built during the past two decades (from Morgantown WV to the suburbs just south of Pittsburgh, which was supposed to revitalize the dying towns along the Monongahela River), and its been empty of traffic ever since (because its a toll road).

          Instead, drivers continue using the non toll I-79 to go from Pittsburgh to Morgantown (which also runs north/south and is 15 miles west of Route 43), or several other state roads that also run north/south.

          1. So toll roads aren’t the libertarian solution?

    3. with legitimate Republican support

      where “legitimate Republican support” means “those Republicans that, in the eyes of Ken, represent the *actual* Team Red”.

      So when Republicans vote for big spending, that’s not “legitimate Republicans”.
      And when Republicans vote to continue foreign wars, that’s not “legitimate Republicans”.
      But when Republicans vote to legalize pot, THOSE are “legitimate Republicans”.

      How to tell who is a “legitimate Republican”? Simple: if it advances Ken’s narrative that libertarians ought to be Team Red bootlickers, then those are “legitimate Republicans”. But if Republicans behave in a manner inconvenient to libertarians, then those are “not legitimate Republicans”.

      When reality contradicts Ken’s narrative, then just change the meanings of words, like “bipartisan”, and invent new terms like “legitimate Republican”, and – presto – now reality conforms to narrative! It’s so easy!

      1. The term RINO has been around a while. Guess “legitimate Republican” just means the opposite.

        1. Such a budding friendship between you two.

          1. World’s tiniest circle jerk.

            1. Yeah. JesseAz, R Mac and Mother’s Lament are indeed the world’s tiniest circle jerk.

              1. Thanks pee wee herman for that intelligent come back.

              2. Remember when sarcasmic fantasized about us all beating off?

                https://reason.com/2021/02/09/the-not-so-peaceful-transfer-of-power/#comment-8750813

            2. Only one working dick between them is my guess.

      2. Lol. You fucking use made up words like socialist libertarian to hide your leftist leanings. You deny CRT despite primary sourced examples showing youre full of shit.

        Are you this self unaware?

        1. There were democratic socialists, and the most credible of them would have excoriated the authoritarianism of progressives today. One of them wrote:

          “The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians”

          —-George Orwell

          Remember that part in Animal Farm, where he went after elitism?

          The pigs start to resemble humans, as they walk upright, carry whips, drink alcohol, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are abridged to just one phrase: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” The maxim “Four legs good, two legs bad” is similarly changed to “Four legs good, two legs better.”

          —-Animal Farm

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

          Orwell was wrong about some things, but he was right about many others. One of the things he was right about was his total disgust for elitism. The thought of modern progressives, who clearly hold the common people in contempt, forcing the common people to make sacrifices for the greater good–as determined by progressive elitists–would have nauseated Orwell. If ever there were a libertarian socialist, it was George Orwell. He devoted himself to saving socialism from authoritarian progressives.

          1. So you’ve changed your tune now? Republicans aren’t authoritarians now that I pointed out that your support for Republicans who you say are “mere” authoritarians equals support for authoritarianism? Now authoritarians are bad? I thought they were good because “mere” authoritarian Republicans only want to control everything you do, as opposed to bad totalitarian Democrats who want to control what you think. You posted pages and pages about how Republican authoritarians are so much better than Democrat totalitarians.

            What happened?

            1. You can keep saying “both sides are exactly equally bad.” You’ll keep looking like an idiot.

    4. “Monday came and went–where’s the infrastructure deal?”

      The Senate started watching the Olympics and lost track of time.

      1. Stop taking joke writing classes from sarcasmic.

      2. Most of the Senate isn’t watching the Olympics. The ratings preclude this possibility.

      3. All those poor souls casting themselves into 50yd long pits full of hydrogen dioxide

    5. Those who are upset about the notion that the Republicans are better than the Democrats on spending also need to somehow defend the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill Biden and the Democrats passed in March of 2021.

      It passed both the House and the Senate without a single Republican vote.

      “The American Rescue Plan Act of 2021, also called the COVID-19 Stimulus Package or American Rescue Plan, Pub L. No. 117-2 (March 11, 2021), is a $1.9 trillion economic stimulus bill passed by the 117th United States Congress and signed into law by President Joe Biden on March 11, 2021”

      It passed in the House:

      Yeas: 219 Democrats, 0 (Zero) Republicans
      Nays: 2 Democrats, 212 Republicans

      https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2021/roll049.xml

      It passed in the Senate:

      Yeas: 50 Democrats, 0 (Zero) Republicans
      Nays: 0 (Zero) Democrats, 49 Republicans
      Abstain: 0 (Zero) Democrats, 1 Republican

      —-Link below.

      When the data doesn’t support your theory, you shouldn’t ignore or throw out the data. If the data doesn’t support you theory, it’s the theory that change. And if you’re someone who doesn’t believe that the Republicans in the current Congress are better than the Democrats on spending, you should know that the data doesn’t support your theory.

      1. the notion that the Republicans are better than the Democrats on spending

        Yup here it comes.

        Those Republicans who voted for big spending, however, they are not “legitimate Republicans”.

        This is just Ken’s version of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. It is laughable how transparent it is.

        1. Lol, not even their constituents view them as such anymore. That’s why there have been all those recall efforts.

          Kinda like how you hate Tulsi Gabbard because she isn’t an authoritarian fascist, but for opposite reasons.

      2. “Those who are upset about the notion that the Republicans are better than the Democrats on spending”

        This is a null set of people. There are _other_ problems with the Republicans.

        1. Deadly fire extinguisher attacks

  40. https://twitter.com/PartymanRandy/status/1420020848124207118

    Now we know who wiped Biden’s butt.

    Should have know it was CNN’s official democrat butt-wiper.

  41. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1419027385169719300

    The anti-vaxers have had their fun. They’re now engaged in open incitement to murder. It’s time for arrests, prosecutions, and serious jail time.

    1. What? No re-education camps?

    2. Chemjeff, DOL and White Mike will weep for joy.

      1. Remember, they’re totally not fascists except when they have to be.

  42. https://twitter.com/seanovak/status/1419626798908952576

    Wow.. the French are pissed! Spraying horse dung and hair on the presidential palace. Creative! I have very little understanding of Macron’s politics, but something is telling me its not working out so well.

    1. He’s the basically the same thing as Trudeau, Pelosi, Uncle Joe, Merkel, etc.
      He kinda spoke out a little against woke and American cancel culture, but that’s about the best thing he did.

    2. Awesome.

  43. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1419665282650550274

    JUST IN – Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, YouTube, and other Big Tech companies will now add content to a shared counterterrorism “key database,” aiming to crack down on material from “white supremacists and far-right militias” (Reuters)

    1. So everything is will now be classified and reported this is not good news time for an independent internet system

      1. of course even suggesting such a thing could be considered subversive intent. watch your six

    2. Government using Corporations to spy on you. Hey chemjeff and Mike Laursen, you fascist fucks, this is exactly what you wanted isn’t it?

      Hey SQRLSY, tell us again how this is okay because 230.

  44. “surveillance system that uses hidden microphone sensors to detect the sound and location of gunshots,” and it’s being used by cops to fabricate evidence..

    Let’s see. Were there any legal consequences for fabricating evidence? Nope. They just withdrew the evidence. Nothing to see here. Move along.

  45. The “real patriots” of Newsmax are openly cheering against Team USA.

    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1419819395757580288

    1. Ya, not satisfying at all seeing a bunch of people that spend all of their time shitting on america do poorly.

      Unfortunately affirmative action and “equity” aren’t something that win you medals. Go woke go broke.

      Maybe they can get on some Nike commercials with Kaep

      1. For better or for worse, they are representatives of our country.

        1. if they can protest , we can protest its a two way street to treat your nation like shit

          1. And your protest is rooting for the national team to fail because you don’t like the politics of some of the team members.

            1. If I don’t like their politics, why would I want to see them succeed? The mere fact we aren’t on the same side means I can take pleasure in their misfortune.

              It’s called karma, you fat globule.

              1. I’m pretty sure there aren’t very many high level athletes whose politics I do like. Mostly based on the fact that there aren’t many people whose politics I like.

                But this shit does get pretty obnoxious. Maybe if you think the US is a shitty country, you shouldn’t play on the national team. There are plenty of other competitions that aren’t all about representing your country and all that.

                1. They mainly do it as an exercise in spite, themselves. “Haha, your national team is represented by stunning and brave leftists!”

                  Laughing when these people lose doesn’t make Americans any less patriotic–it’s a “fuck you” to them and the jock-sniffing sports media pushing radical left politics.

            2. The “individualist” says we should root for teams.

            3. They’re shitting publicly on Americans, but for some magical reason, only known to you, Americans aren’t allowed to shit back on them.

              What a disgusting hypocrite you are, Jeffy.

              Do you ever even think before you write this crap?

        2. Half of them don’t want to represent the country by their actions halfwit.

        3. For better or for worse, they are representatives of our country.

          Was this your position during the last presidency?

          It is wonderful when you demonstrate what a ridiculous hypocrite you are.

          1. You’re quite the strawman slayer! Bravo!

            1. “You’re quite the strawman slayer!”

              sarcasmic still doesn’t seem to know what a strawman is.

              1. Lol. So sadly true. The king of strawmen should know, but he doesn’t.

          2. I never rooted for the entire nation to fail because I despised Trump. Are you currently rooting for the entire nation to fail because Biden is in charge?

            1. The members of the Olympic team aren’t the “entire nation,” you hysterical freak.

            2. I never rooted for the entire nation to fail because I despised Trump.

              LOL! Sarc mistakenly calls my reasonable inference a strawman fallacy, and you promptly provide a real strawman.

              A non-fallacious defense would be that you never rooted for Trump to fail because you despised Trump. After all, “for better or for worse,” he was the representative for our country.

              Does your history support that conclusion?

              1. He’s not me, moron.

                1. Unproven.

                2. Learn to read, fuckwit. I never claimed he was.

              2. That is not the correct analogy. Because in this case, we are talking about supposed “patriots” cheering against entire teams because of the presumed actions of certain individuals on the teams. That is like cheering against the entire nation because you don’t like the guy in charge.

                Furthermore the analogy is even more strained because in the case of politics, we are talking about beliefs and ideologies and actions based on those, while in the Olympics, we are talking about athletic competitions that have nothing to do with beliefs and ideologies. So a person rooting against an athlete in the Olympics based on that person’s views, not athletic ability, is saying that the person wants the athlete to fail in his/her athletic abilities because of that person’s beliefs. That is a far more noxious view.

                1. ….is saying that the person wants the athlete president to fail in his/her athletic presidential abilities because of that person’s beliefs.

                  1. His “presidential abilities”? Like, being commander-in-chief? Sure, I did not say, and would never say, that a president that I didn’t like should try to lose a war, or to root for the other side in a war, because I didn’t like the president’s politics.

                2. That is not the correct analogy.

                  DLAM already poked that notion in the eye pretty hard.

                  Furthermore the analogy is even more strained because in the case of politics

                  The reason for rooting against the team is the political beliefs and actions of individuals on the team. A sentiment you expressed numerous times towards the preceding presidential administration. Yet here you are attempting to invoke some magical rule that negates the consequences for a person expressing beliefs and actions when involved in an athletic event.

                  Something is strained here, but it isn’t the analogy. It’s your logic.

                  1. Rooting against Team Red, or rooting against Team Blue, is not rooting against the entire nation.

                    By contrast, the athlete-haters around here, are rooting for *the entire team* to fail based on the *beliefs* of athletes having nothing to do with their athletic ability.

                    That is the difference.

                    1. By contrast, the athlete-haters around here, are rooting for *the entire team* to fail based on the *beliefs* of athletes having nothing to do with their athletic ability.

                      LOL, no, we’re rooting for certain individuals and teams to fail, not the whole US Olympic squad, you strawman-burning fatbody.

                      Goddamn, you can’t go through a single thread without lying your ass off, can you?

            3. The entire nation failed because Damion Liilard couldn’t hit a 3? Just STFU and find another hobby

      2. As long as Megan Rapinoe is in uniform, it’s impossible to care about how her team does.

        I’m enough of a jingoist to root for the team regardless, but I understand the impulse. It’s a lot harder to root for a bunch of pampered twats than the never-heard-of-yous that populate the more exotic events.

        1. The funny thing is, I actually laughed my ass off when the men’s basketball team got worked in the 2004 Olympics, when Peak Ballhog was the NBA playing style at the time and the team itself was full of those types who had no fucking clue how to pass the ball around.

          One can certainly still support the national team as a whole in the Olympics while rooting for certain athletes to fail.

          1. when Peak Ballhog was the NBA playing style at the time and the team itself was full of those types who had no fucking clue how to pass the ball around.
            ———
            Sounds like this year’s team.

            1. This year’s team isn’t great, but it’s miles ahead of the 2004 squad. At least they have guys who can consistently hit shots beyond 18 feet.

          2. I was happy with that 2004 failure because it was an unbelievably ill conceived team.
            Team USA thought they could just throw together a bunch of names (more celebrity players than superstars) and still win.
            The problem wasn’t any individual player being included, it was that they were basically all the same kind of player.
            -The team only had 3 guards (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_team_rosters), with Marbury and young Dwayne Wade as inferior versions of Iverson. All 2 guards who are volume shooters with limited range.
            -LeBron was the only facilitator, and he was just 19. Carmelo was 20, and somehow the best 3 point shooter chosen for the team.
            -Okafor and Boozer could play defense, rebound, and bang down low. That’s it. Maybe useful if you don’t already have Tim Duncan and Amare Stoudemire.
            -Shawn Marion and Richard Jefferson were good players, but also do the same thing: slashing forwards who can’t shoot 3s.
            -and Lamar Odom was there
            That is the worst constructed roster I’ve ever seen.

            1. Yeah, that failure was directly responsible later on for Coach K picking players who fit in to a system, rather than slapping together a bunch of big names and assuming they’d dominate. Like you pointed out, the team was loaded with iso shooters and slashers who couldn’t open things up for other players. Duncan was really the only guy who understood the concept of team play.

              That Olympics was also the first indication that foreign players, at least in Europe and Latin America, were catching up to the USA’s talent level.

        2. An American 1st lieutenant female won gold in skeet setting a world record in the process. A 17 yo from Seward Alaska won gold in a surprise last night in swimming. America won it’s first gold in female foil. American Rugby team and both men’s and women’s water polo are dominating competition. American women’s volleyball is off to a dominating start beating China in three sets. American Beach Volleyball men’s team comes from behind to beat Brazil’s top ranked team. Ross and Klineman are dominating women’s beach volleyball at the moment. These are stories I can support.

          1. I was watching USA rugby destroy Great Britain, but instead of showing the 2nd half they decided to switch over to “women’s” weightlifting

            1. I actually want to see if they let the tranny from New Zealand win gold, or if they force him to “pull a hamstring” so he doesn’t embarrass the rest of the field.

    2. Absolutely outrageous. Obviously patriotism requires 100% unconditional support of every aspect of your country — including its Olympic teams.

      By the way, when is your next passionate defense of critical race theory in public schools? We really need to teach 8-year-olds that the US is an oppressive WHITE SUPREMACIST monstrosity.

      #RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism

    3. Please tell us how waiving American flags is anti American again.

  46. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9826781/Group-calls-white-people-not-send-kids-Ivy-League-schools-black-students-spot.html

    ‘You earned or inherited your money through oppressing people of color’: Affluent Dallas residents receive BLM letter urging them not to send their kids to Ivy League schools so black students can get a spot instead

    The group said it sent the pledge out to the ’95 percent white Highland Park and University Park neighborhoods’ and will announce publicly who hasn’t signed it

    Enjoy, democrats. You did it to yourselves

    1. If the BLM group were honest, they’d have only sent letters to registered Democrats, as it was the Democrat Party that:
      – owned slaves,
      – seceded from the Union to preserve slavery,
      – killed hundreds of thousands of anti slavery Union Republicans,
      – destroyed reconstruction with Jim Crow segregation laws,
      – created and mobilized the KKK to enforce Jim Crow,
      – rounded/locked up tens of thousands of Japanese Americans,
      – lobbied for welfare programs that have destroyed Black families,
      – deceitfully blamed white Republicans for the 200 years of racism by Democrats.

      1. At least democrats got what they always wanted, racial segregation.

      2. You take “sins of the father” to a new level.

        1. Well one party (dems) wanted to keep them enslaved, and then denied them rights for a century. Another party (reps) freed them, then didn’t do a whole lot, and finally sponsered legislation to end jim crow (EAGLE!!) laws and enact voting rights.

          Then the dems went bat shit insane crazy, and forced white people to continue acting like racists every day.

        2. Lol. Now you’re defending the democrats. Please state where he is wrong. You claim youre not a leftist. Yet deny their history and ironically their present.

          1. He’s not a lefty or a partisan tho, no sir

        3. ^^^ believe today’s black teenagers were repressed for 400 years

      3. Well, turns out they are, in this case, honest.
        https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/27/racist-dallas-group-demands-rich-white-blm-supporting-democrats-keep-their-kids-out-of-ivy-leagues/

        “We are writing to you because we understand you are white and live within the Highland Park Independent School District and thus benefit from enormous privileges taken at the expense of communities of color,” the letter stated. “It is also our understanding that you are a Democrat and supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement, which makes you one of our white allies and puts you in a position to help correct these cruel injustices. We need you to step up and back up your words with action and truly sacrifice to make our segregated city more just.”

        1. I think this is where the rubber will meet the road TBH. The line most parents will likely draw is essentially when they are demanding “put my child’s success, livelihood, and future ahead of your own…for the cause, for equity”.

          Even some the most indoctrinated dems are going to pause when they have to consider if this rhetoric, “allyship”, and that BLM sign in the front yard that makes them fell less white guilt, is all worth putting their kid at the back of the line. That is a strong evolutionary instinct you are asking people to suppress.

          1. You’re optimistic if you think the parents will resist this. These people are highly conflict-averse when it comes to POCs, and will throw their own kids under the bus if it means not being personally inconvenienced in any way. Look at Mollie Tibbets.

          2. A year ago, thousands of BLM signs in yards were proudly displayed by wealthy Jewish Democrats in the neighborhood I live (in Pittsburgh, PA).

            Very few BLM signs now remain, and virtually all of them are in windows or yards of blacks.

            Seems like lots of woke white Democrats have reconsidered their past support for BLM.

        2. The funny thing is that no amount of money will help fix public education in an area where being good at school get you beat up, robed, and socially ridiculed for “being white”. One of my friends was pretty much ostracized by the other black students for “talking white”. If you have a social view that being well spoken and educated is wrong no amount of money spent on education will help

      4. When all the conservatives were Democrats.

        Listen dumbass, “conservative” is an ideology and “Democrat” is not.

        1. Buttplug pulls out the Democrats big “switched sides” lie.

          One southern Democrat switched parties. That’s it.

          The rest, including those who filibustered the ’64 CRA, stayed Democrats until they were out of office. Most, like Byrd, remained Democrats until they died.

          There was no switch. The record of who was in Congress proves that.
          This is a lie perpetrated by Democrats, the party of Buttplug, the party of slavery, of Jim Crow, of the Black Codes, of the KKK, of segregation, of thousands of Confederate monuments placed to intimidate black people, the party of redlining, of destroying the black family, of creating ghettoes.

        2. turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
          turd lies in every post, such as this one.
          turd lies; it’s what he does.

  47. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9827255/Minnesota-fourth-grade-student-says-class-told-not-tell-parents-equity-survey.html

    Minnesota fourth-graders are told not to tell their parents about ‘equity survey’ on race and gender

    What are they trying to hide?

    1. Congratulations, here is your backlash. Now, we won’t have discussion at all of these topics in the classroom. Hope you are happy.

      1. Nooooooooo, jeff! Don’t give up! You’re this comment section’s leading defender of mandatory CRT in public schools!

      2. Fear anyone from any group, Cathoilic, Boyscouts or schools, that tells children to not tell their parents. Parents have a right to know or are children no longer the responsibility of the parents but now the property the subjects the serfs of a government.

        Fear what you are thinking

      3. Telling kids to identify by race isn’t a good lesson.

      4. Everyone note that chemtard radical deathfat proposed that parents should simply defer to “experts” when it comes to school curriculums, and not worry about the content of those curriculums because they were crafted by “experts.”

        Now that it’s coming out that these cultural Marxist freaks are trying to brainwash kids and interfere in their relationship with their parents by encouraging them to lie by omission, he’s waving his hands in deflection by blaming the victim.

        Save your lefty apologias for another website, fat boy.

      5. Critical race theory and its spin-offs were the backlash. This current reaction and the media’s battling over outrage stories is new. As for your contention about not having issues discussed, I call bullshit. As has been pointed out, any laws generally are framed to stop a specific and racist interpretation from being promulgated. This does not stop discussion of slavery, racism, Jim Crow, redlining, and the like. Further, when one tells young children that they should not tell their parents about an activity, its an indicator that the activity is not ethically sound.

      6. GFY, you lying sack of shit

    2. Even assuming that the student’s story is true, that the teachers told the students to hide the survey from the parents, then this was just a *survey*. It was not “indoctrination”, it was not “blame whitey for slavery”, it was none of that. I don’t think it’s right that teachers are telling students to hide these things from parents, but I totally understand why – they don’t want it to become further fodder for the right-wing hysteria on the subject.

      So the message that they are getting, which may or may not be the message that you want to send, is that they shouldn’t talk about race or gender at all. Just ignore the subject entirely.

      1. Well said.

        This entire “controversy” is the fault of conservatives. They have seized on CRT — which, as your ABA link proves, is merely an unbiased scholarly analysis of race — in order to do what they’ve always wanted. Namely, to remove all references to slavery from American public education.

        We won’t let them get away with it, though.

        #LibertariansForCRTInPublicSchools

        1. It’s not really funny when you actually sound more honest and reasonable than Jeff

      2. Those dastardly Republican parents, always pouncing. Why can’t they grasp that there is nothing objectionable about secretly probing the gender identity of nine year olds?

        1. Maybe so, but there is more than their gender being probed – – – – – – – –

      3. Nothing happening within a public school should be hidden from the parents who pay for that public school. It’s that simple.

        If your idea is so controversial that it must be done in secret for fear of backlash maybe it isn’t a very good idea. Public school is not meant to be a political battleground, turning it into one should absolutely cause backlash.

        1. If the survey was actually secret – we only have this one student’s word for it after all, we don’t know for certain – then no it shouldn’t have been.

          And I completely reject the idea that there ought to be anything like a “heckler’s veto” when it comes to education. If you let the curriculum be hostage to every outraged parent, or even every outraged student, expressing their uninformed grievance, then the only things that will be taught will be in the most bland consensus manner possible. And yes this applies equally to the left-wing snowflakes who are “triggered” by the mere mention of “scary words”, as well as to the right-wing Fox News-addled parents who take the nightly monologue from Tucker Carlson and rush to the school board the next day to complain about whatever grievance was deposited in their brains.

          1. well as to the right-wing Fox News-addled parents who take the nightly monologue from Tucker Carlson and rush to the school board the next day

            LOL, 2005 called and wants its talking points back.

          2. “we only have this one student’s word for it after all”

            Wait, aren’t we supposed to affirm a child’s beliefs, no matter how problematic they may be?

            1. Umm no. And thanks once again for offering nothing of substance, just mindless attempted zingers.

              1. Says the guy ignoring dozens of examples of this shit claiming this is the first time ever a controversy has arisen from CRT and made up by a fox News viewer.

                Youre a retarded piece of leftist shit.

              2. “just mindless attempted zingers.”

                Well, it’s all you are worth.

          3. If you let the curriculum be hostage to every outraged parent, or even every outraged student, expressing their uninformed grievance

            Where do you get all your disdain for ordinary people? Why do you assume that people are uninformed?

            The answer to the whole dilemma is actually so easy that political drama queens like yourself can’t even imagine it. A truth so simple that most people these days take it as a given.

            Racial differences are literally only skin deep.

            Why would anyone teach CRT when all that is needed a proper introduction to Biology?

            Unless you don’t trust children to draw reasonable conclusions on their own. Unless you believe that a preponderance of parents are religious zealots brainwashing their children against science. Unless the goal really is to instill certain political beliefs into impressionable young minds.

            1. Racial differences are literally only skin deep.

              Why would anyone teach CRT when all that is needed a proper introduction to Biology?

              Well I don’t know, gee maybe, sociology and biology are different subjects?

              Here is an example. The vast majority of spiders are harmless to people. And yet, 9 times out of 10, show someone a spider and they will recoil in fear. Why? Because our perception of spiders, as a group, is not matched by the biological reality of spiders. Same idea with race. In general, our perception of people of different races is not matched by the biological reality of race. So you provide a very simplistic and facile answer to a complex question.

              1. So you provide a very simplistic and facile answer to a complex question.

                Holy fuck! Do you have any idea how elitist you are?

                If the question is that complex, why is it being taught to children?

                our perception of people of different races is not matched by the biological reality of race

                Holy fuck! Do you have any idea how racist you are?

                It would be nice if you would just admit that you don’t trust children to come to correct conclusions without being guided by a state appointed teacher and 14 administrative support personnel.

                1. Holy fuck! Do you have any idea how elitist you are?

                  It’s now “elitist” to oppose stupid simplistic answers to complex questions? That is called “rational”, actually.

                  If the question is that complex, why is it being taught to children?

                  What is wrong with teaching complex subjects to children in an *age-appropriate manner*? The fields of mathematics and physics are both very complex, yet we are able to teach them to elementary school children at age-appropriate levels. Why can’t we do the same for other subjects?

                  Holy fuck! Do you have any idea how racist you are?

                  That, sociologically speaking, race matters in terms of measurable social outcomes? It’s an empirical observation. Do you think otherwise? If so, why?

                  It would be nice if you would just admit that you don’t trust children to come to correct conclusions without being guided by a state appointed teacher and 14 administrative support personnel.

                  Learning is often accompanied by the guidance and support of tutors, mentors and teachers, which is the way it’s been for thousands of years. I would hate to see your model of what an education system looks like. Just throw books at kids and hope they learn something?

                  1. What is wrong with teaching complex subjects to children in an *age-appropriate manner*? The fields of mathematics and physics are both very complex, yet we are able to teach them to elementary school children at age-appropriate levels. Why can’t we do the same for other subjects?

                    Wow, you actually answered the question asked. Good for you.

                    Except what you said is not true. The mathematics and physics taught in elementary schools are…

                    wait for it…

                    elementary. Through Geometry, which is typically taught in the 8th grade, the concepts are all observational. Addition, multiplication, the communitive and associative properties, algebraic notation and areas of shapes.

                    Same goes for the physics and chemistry they teach kids. Things fall at the same speed in a vacuum. Electricity travels the path of least resistance. Light is separated in a prism. The water cycle.

                    None of that is particularly complex. They don’t teach complex concepts to children because they lack critical thinking skills. If you talk to kids regularly, this is glaringly obvious, even among the smart ones. It is easy to convince a classroom of 6th graders that a rise in ice cream sales leads to crime waves. It is easy to convince them that white people have privilege.

                    That, sociologically speaking, race matters in terms of measurable social outcomes? It’s an empirical observation.

                    You use all the fancy words in the correct order, yet remain completely oblivious to their meaning. How is that possible, unless it is deliberate?

                    CRT relies on spurious psychological inferences and stereotypes. If it involved empirical observations, you would just need to teach history.

                    1. They don’t teach complex concepts to children because they lack critical thinking skills. If you talk to kids regularly, this is glaringly obvious, even among the smart ones.

                      Or if you talk to Jeff.

          4. So in your world, parents shouldn’t have any say in what gets taught at the school they pay for? Some bureaucrat is better suited to determine what is and is not appropriate?

            It doesn’t matter where the parents get their information from, if they’re mad about what the school is doing they have a right to air those grievances. The school hiding shit from them only serves to reinforce the idea that the school is more of an indoctrination center than a place for education. This course of action only reinforces the “wingnut” mindset you’re complaining about.

            1. So in your world, parents shouldn’t have any say in what gets taught at the school they pay for? Some bureaucrat is better suited to determine what is and is not appropriate?

              That’s exactly what he’s been arguing for weeks now.

            2. Parents, via school boards, should have a say in the overall supervision of the school district. They should not be micromanaging lesson plans. School boards hire teachers who are professionals in their fields of expertise. School boards do not write individual homework assignments, nor should they.

              If you don’t trust a teacher to do his/her job, then fire the teacher.

              If you don’t trust any teacher to do any teaching job, then don’t send your kid to that school.

              1. School boards hire teachers who are professionals in their fields of expertise.

                HAHAHAHAHA,hehehehehe,hooooooo!

                Oh, jeffy, you are a giver.

                1. I’ve shown him the average college entrance scores and GPAs of teachers before… he refuses to understand. A large percent of them are HS failures.

              2. Most schools of education have the lowest GPAs of all the colleges at most universities. It’s what people go into when they can’t even pass gender studies. I have several cousins and my SIL who are teachers , the kind that wanted to be teachers their whole lives. They all tell the same stories about the compatriots at school. And it’s never very flattering.

              3. “School boards hire teachers who are professionals in their fields of expertise.”

                Im sorry man, but did you go to college? Do you remember education majors? The requirement is basically to have a pulse, show up not actively puking from your hangover, regurgitate the extremely simple, intellectually unchallenging crap with almost no critical thinking required. Education majors were considered just a slight cut above the gender/grievance studies majors. But not much. It was hard to hold a conversation with most of them (unless it was a hot girl, then it was tolerated as a prerequisite to fucking). They are near the bottom of the barrel intellectually.

                And the ones that end up teaching K-12 are usually on the lower end. So this appeal to authority you keep throwing out there is about the most laughable one I have seen.

                1. I could tell you anecdotes of science majors who partied all through college as well. Your anecdotes prove nothing, except that you’re willing to trash an entire profession because you don’t respect the work that they do. How insulting.

                  1. My anecdotes aside, teachers, especially those teaching K-12, have lower scores, lower levels of education, and lower IQ than those in more intellectually demanding professions (esp the hard sciences). Sorry if this is news to you.

                    They are not equipped to understand CRT (and adjacent indoctrination studies) themselves, much less distill it down into something that is teachable to children.

                    Which is why it keeps coming out of them as one or more of the following:

                    – political indoctrination
                    – activist drivel
                    – flat out racism and segregation

              4. You gaslighting simpleton, curriculums aren’t lesson plans. Lesson plans are part of curriculums. And these curriculums do not allow for the teachers to freelance lesson plans. None of them are teaching about the triumph of Western Civilization as part of these curriculums.

                And, yes, parents SHOULD complain about lesson plans, if individual teachers are harming their kids.

                GFY and die

          5. “Black people cannot be allowed to believe they are free to succeed on their own merits, they must have resentment brainwashed into them!”
            -chemjeff

          6. “….. expressing their uninformed grievance….”

            Gosh, it’s a shame that we’re not all better informed. There is certainly a dearth of information on racial topics these days! Where does one go for racial grievance explanations?

            Haha. Damn, dude.

      4. I don’t think it’s right that teachers are telling students to hide these things from parents, but I totally understand why – they don’t want it to become further fodder for the right-wing hysteria on the subject.

        Uh, government bureaucrats shouldn’t be going out of their way to undermine the trust relationship that parents have with their kids, you lefty-defending piece of shit.

        1. This is exactly the most disgusting part of the whole thing. I can “un-teach” a lot of the progressive bullshit they peddle at school. But they’re deliberately trying to undermine the relationship between parent and child. They’re also putting a lie between them, and making a young child carry that lie home. It’s abusive, manipulative behavior, and anyone who thinks this is okay at all has no business being in a classroom.

          1. The fact that chemfat is entirely okay with this shows just how deep into defending this stuff he really is. Well, that, and bitterness over the knowledge that no woman will ever want to fuck his disgusting fat carcass and bear his children.

            1. I feel like its a mix of him painting himself into a corner with very stupid arguments and having to stay there and defend it now. Someone with the name “radical individualist” going to bat for a clearly collectivist race segregating policy…the irony is delicious

              The other half of it is probably the fact that Tucker and the fox crew do focus on it and shine a light on it, protesting it. And he is just so entrenched in arguing for team blue that he reflexively has to defend this even though it is anti-individual, anti-libertarian, racist stuff. But racism is OK as long as the dems are the ones pushing it, because Trump is on the other team so there is no other option.

              1. Yes to both. And 3rd, he is an evil gaslighting lefty POS who is dumb enough to think he can trick people much smarter than himself

              2. He’s blatantly admitted that he’s “anti-rightist,” and then turns around and accuses others of black/white thinking. That’s basically why he parrots the same stuff you’d hear from some basic bitch suburban liberal. He clearly is neighbors with these types and suffers from Stockholm Syndrome as a result.

                1. “He clearly is neighbors with these types and suffers from Stockholm Syndrome as a result.”

                  But you can also tell this from the fact that he can’t put out anything resembling a logical argument when he tries to defend it. I already knew his top arguments before he ever replied the first time…because it was almost verbatim what was coming from MSNBC and the NYT.

                  Ive read a lot of stuff on it, and watched/listened to the people pushing it. I also have seen James Lyndsay do deep dives on this stuff, its history, and the problems with it. Jeff clearly is just parroting the standard stuff from his Democrat-bubble and doesn’t really look any deeper, whereas most of the people arguing against it have actually looked into what CRT is, its history, critical theory itself etc.. It’s why his arguments never really go further than Joy Reid’s racist hot take (and why they have no substance).

                  Then again, it is hard to take on a pro-racist, pro-segregation argument, so maybe he deserves credit for trying to do the impossible.

      5. It is amazing the rationalization you go through to defend this bullshit. Then again you’re an incel with no kids.

      6. Just a survey? As in, they want information about the children and possibly their families that they think parents would be unwilling to share.

        1. The just a survey argument is just a bad one. As if you cant expose kids to dangerous ideas because something is “just a survey”.

          “Just a survey” that we dont want your parents to know the content of.

      7. Adults should not ask children to lie to their parents. That puts a child in a terrible position.

        If you have to ask a child to lie about your behavior in the classroom, then your behavior in the classroom is wrong. If this curriculum is so great and wonderful, then school districts should be transparent about it.

      8. Of course you go flying off to the other end of the extreme. What school did you go to that no one taught about slavery, Jim Crowe, or Civil Rights, until this miraculous new racialized curriculum came along? Is that why you’re so unbearably stupid?

      9. “So the message that they are getting, which may or may not be the message that you want to send, is that they shouldn’t talk about race or gender at all. Just ignore the subject entirely.”

        No this is your strawman. There are appropriate things to talk to kids about at different grade levels. We have gone over this with you multiple times.

        You can teach kids that white people in the past did some bad things to native americans and black people. You can teach about slavery, Jim Crow, all that. You can talk about white europeans coming over and fucking up indians taking their land. Its what happened, lets not cover it up.

        You cant talk to or treat kids differently based on their race or assign them descriptors, characteristics, or collective guilt based on their race. You cannot violate the civil rights act.

        You have the option to do things with some level of judgement and appropriateness, but because you cant go full activist and absolutely indoctrinate kids that the whites are the worst thing, and are racist oppressors, or having 4th graders questioning if maybe they are whatever XYZ fashionable gender/sexuality of the week in the LGBTQRSTIA++*, then NO ONE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. Sorry Jeff, your team cant be racist activists. Get the fuck over it. I guess they will have to find a method of teaching that is actually appropriate for elementary school kids.

        Your argument was weak the first time you tried it, and its looking worse every time you try it out.

        1. Furthermore, you should always teach people that skin color doesn’t matter, and you should treat everyone the same. Then you teach that the bad things that happened in the past were because people didn’t treat everyone the same.

          Jeff just thinks it was bad because if the groups involved, not the principle. That is why none of this CRT bullshit ever looks at slavery as an institution since the beginning of time, practiced by POC against whites and other POCs for hundreds and thousands of years, even up until today. That is why there can be no examination of the racism inherent in other cultures, primarily in the Far East.

  48. MAGA is a terrorist organization.

    1. Lol. Man. Blue anon is real.

    2. Absolutely. The carnage of the 1/6 HEAVILY ARMED INSURRECTION dwarfs anything the supposedly violent BLM or Antifa ever did. In fact I’d even say MAGA is worse than Al Qaeda.

      #1/6WasWorseThan9/11

      1. Forgot to mention — 1/6 was also way worse than anything any “Bernie Bro” ever did. And I say that as someone who’s glad Bernie never got the nomination.

        1. He’s not smart enough to pick up on that. You’ll have to explicitly mention the Congressional Baseball mass shooter next time.

    3. The TDS infected by fake news.

    4. turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
      turd lies in every post, such as this one.
      turd lies; it’s what he does.

    5. “MAGA is a terrorist organization.”

      turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
      turd lies in every post, such as this one.
      turd lies; it’s what he does.

  49. Meanwhile ESPN decries seeing the flag, at the Olympics. Because grandmas taking selfies at the capitol building or something.

    Would you rather be a far left democrat progressive knowing your entire philosophy and ideology is a fraud, or a RINO on pelosis committee knowing you’re despised by most of your party and likely out of office in 1.5 years.

    1. “Nationalism is bad, unless you’re happy when Woke Olympic team members lose.”

  50. You have to understand how nannies think-uber may have reduced drunk driving BUT! Now people will drink more! Quick! New crisis!

  51. >>Anti-ride-sharing politics puts people at risk.

    you seem to think people are more important than free money.

  52. I’m 64. Married to the same women for 35 years. Own a modest home. Raised a son. Regular church goer. Just a regular tax paying, proud to be an American guy. My wife is a teaching assistant for special needs kids at the local HS and I drive for uber and lyft. The point? Never been happier. A simple modest life. Please,please keep the govt out of these companies. They’ll just ruin it.

  53. I rank it somewhere between Soylent Green and The Island in terms of absolute fucking creepiness:

    Three more chosen for $100,000 jackpots in vaccine lottery — identities of all past winners remain a mystery

    One Chicagoan won a $1 million jackpot on July 8, the state’s first drawing in the vaccine lottery program.

    None of the previous winners have chosen to make their identities known.

    1. I certainly would not tell anyone.

  54. Herschel Walker, a famous running back both at Georgia and for the Dallas Cowboys, was outspoken in his criticism of football players disrespecting the national anthem in the NFL, and he’s been critical of American Olympic athletes protesting against the United States. Now it looks like he’s running for the U.S. Senate in 2022 to represent Georgia, and it looks like they’re trying to cancel him.

    https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-sports-business-government-and-politics-herschel-walker-7418cd7deadc414b17e3339048fef180

    1. Which Herschel?

      There are nine of them you know.

    2. nice hit piece the 2d paragraph is conjecture & the 3d is stuff everyone already knew … bet he still gets the votes, AP

    3. it looks like they’re trying to cancel him.

      Where’s the canceling part? Who is saying he should be forbidden from running for the US Senate? Anyone?

      And look at what Ken just did here. He’s playing a rhetorical trick on you. First, Ken writes:

      “Herschel Walker, a famous running back both at Georgia and for the Dallas Cowboys, was outspoken in his criticism of football players disrespecting the national anthem in the NFL, and he’s been critical of American Olympic athletes protesting against the United States.”

      Okay, that’s a true enough statement. But in his next sentence he writes:

      “Now it looks like he’s running for the U.S. Senate in 2022 to represent Georgia, and it looks like they’re trying to cancel him.”

      He wants to create the impression in your mind that there is some connection between Walker’s criticism of kneeling NFL players, and this article discussing some of Walker’s past behavior. That this article is a direct result of Walker’s criticism, as a part of some attempt to silence him. When, instead, the far more likely explanation is that this article is a direct result of Walker’s own decision to contemplate running for public office. This is a type of red herring fallacy where he tries to distract you from the actual reason for this article by inventing his own, more sinister reason, and leading you to try to make that connection.

      Ken just gets more and more pathetic the more he shills for Team Red.

      1. do you prefer obtuse, or naive?

        1. No he’s just a radical stateist

          1. Yup here comes the personal attacks. You know I’m right so this is the only way you know how to respond.

            1. Lol. You lay no facts on the table, get called out, then yell you were right. What a sad and pathetic way of life.

            2. Nope. You are wrong. Nobody is arguing with you on this because you didn’t posit a valid argument on the subject at hand, and instead engaged in an ad hominem attack on Ken Schultz. As such, it deserves scorn, which is what you are getting.

              By all means, keep digging…

              1. Oh I did post a valid argument, but you cannot find yourself to ever agree with me on anything, because your disagreement with me is not about issues, it is personal.

                1. the far more likely explanation is that this article is a direct result of Walker’s own decision to contemplate running for public office

                  That?

                  A blatantly obvious statement of fact is a valid argument? When the rest of your screed was nothing but a disingenuous attempt to discredit all past and future arguments presented by Ken?

                  It’s not personal. I would love to find common ground. But you just continually post mendacious twaddle. You could try agreeing with me once and see where that leads.

                  1. This is hilarious. You are actually arguing against Ken’s position and white-knighting for Ken at the same time.

                    Ken is the one trying to make that article out as some attempt to “cancel” Herschel Walker because of his past criticism of kneeling NFL players. I am the one pointing out that this is baloney, that the far more likely explanation for this article is that he is thinking about running for public office. Ken is attempting to play a rhetorical trick on you and I pointed it out. Ken discredits HIMSELF when he plays these tricks masquerading as logical arguments. I am merely the messenger revealing the truth of his malfeasance.

                    And the fact that your argument against me is so incoherent and spittle-flecked just points to further evidence that yes, your opposition to me is personal, even going so far as to attempt to argue against THAT when I point it out. You’re just another one of the Mean Girls at this point.

                    1. the far more likely explanation for this article is that he is thinking about running for public office

                      That is not a likely explanation, it is the exact reason. So obvious that Ken didn’t bother to point it out. Your inclusion of this factoid is not original or the least bit observant. As such, your screed contains no actual argument. Just an ad hominem attack on Ken’s motivations.

                      your argument against me is so incoherent and spittle-flecked

                      It was coherent enough for you to respond. Where you get the spittle from is beyond me.

                      I am merely the messenger revealing the truth

                      jeffy has a messiah complex.

                    2. Got dam you are stupid

            3. Fact you have called for the state to execute people for protesting. You have favored the state to engage in indoctrination in schools.
              Both are statist positions

              1. Oh gee what a surprise, here you and your buddy Chucky are derailing the conversation to focus on me personally, and yet I’m the one accused of being a troll.

                1. It isn’t an accusation at this point.

                2. you and your buddy Chucky are derailing the conversation to focus on me personally

                  Derailing the conversation you started about Ken Schultz’s malfeasance by pointing out your own?

                  Whoosh!

        2. I went to UGA with Herschel Walker.

          He is as stupid as a fence post.

          He majored in criminal justice and had to be given passing grades to get through his sophomore year.

          1. >>had to be given passing grades

            Senate material.

            1. Career politician qual’ed for certain. But spb2 may be biased, because, well, it’s spb2. Normally a lefty and nominal civil libertarian might comment on the sad fact that Walker struggled as a young black man and athlete instead of mocking his intellect.

          2. So, pretty much every college athlete that doesn’t end up on the Academic All-America team?

          3. Stupid people can’t play football at the college level.
            Maybe you should take an old playbook and memorize every play in it, modified by every know defense against that play, and have someone hit you up side the head 25 times and then give the right call in 5 different scenarios.

          4. Because you have proven to be such a reliable source of information over the years.

            Although, I am willing to accept your assertion you attended the University of Georgia. Did you get your handicapped sticker?

          5. turd lies. It’s what he does. If turd provides any number at all, they are outright lies or cherry-picked to be worthless.
            turd lies in every post, such as this one.
            turd lies; it’s what he does.

      2. Because Democrats get that type of treatment in the press all the time, right? You lying hack stupid gaslighting moronic evil sack of shit

    4. For the past decade, I’ve called the AP “Associated Propaganda” because virtually every AP story has promoted left wing narratives, and every AP article that referenced Trump demonized him.

      The lefties at AP are only trashing Walker because they know he’ll beat the Democrat communist Warnock.

    5. “The documents detail accusations of threats Walker made on his ex-wife’s life…”

      If that sentence read, “The documents detail accusations of threats Biden made on his ex-wife’s life…” would you be dismissing it as “cancelation”?

      1. If it was made-up nonsense from “anonymous” sources who happened to “oversee” something, then yes.
        Unfortunately for your narrative all those accusations against Biden are in the public record.

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