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More Mask Mandates Could Be Coming Even Though Vaccination Is Key to Curbing COVID-19

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With COVID-19 cases rising in all 50 states over the past week, get ready for another round of politicized debates over mask mandates—even though vaccination is the actually effective way to combat the more infectious delta variant.

Anthony Fauci, the White House's top COVID-19 adviser, told CNN's Jake Tapper on Sunday that new masking recommendations were "under active consideration" within the Biden administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That's just a few days after President Joe Biden suggested that the CDC could soon issue guidance telling children under 12—who can not yet get the various COVID-19 vaccines—to wear masks while attending school. The CDC announced in May that vaccinated Americans could stop wearing masks in almost all situations, but we may be on the cusp of yet another frustrating reversal in the official guidance.

Perhaps the most frustrating part is that Fauci, during that same CNN interview, acknowledged the reality of what's driving America's rising COVID-19 case counts. Spoiler: It has nothing to do with Americans ditching their masks.

"It is really a pandemic among the unvaccinated. So, this is an issue predominantly among the unvaccinated, which is the reason why we're out there practically pleading with the unvaccinated people to go out there and get vaccinated," Fauci said. "And since we have 50 percent of the country is not fully vaccinated, that's a problem, particularly when you have a variant like Delta, which has this extraordinary characteristic of being able to spread very efficiently and very easily from person to person."

But if this is becoming a "pandemic among the unvaccinated," then mask mandates make little sense. As Reason's Robby Soave wrote last week:

Theoretically, if there are places in the country where vaccine rates are very low, people who obstinately refuse to become vaccinated might get some small benefit out of widespread mask usage. But in practice, people who don't want to get the vaccine are unlikely to follow the other, more annoying mitigation strategies. On the contrary, the places that are most likely to reintroduce mask mandates and see widespread compliance are places where vaccination rates are very high.

In Alabama—which has the country's lowest vaccination totals and (not coincidentally) relatively high numbers of COVID-19 hospitalizations recently—and in Louisiana, where case counts are approaching levels not seen since the winter, public health officials are running out of ideas for how to encourage the vaccine-hesitant.

"Many people here and elsewhere in the Southeast are turning down Covid-19 vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election and sick of Democrats in Washington thinking they know what's best. State and local public health officials have struggled to combat that deep-rooted obstinance," Politico reports. "The vaccine is a non-starter in communities where people say they do not trust the federal government."

Once lost, trust is hard to regain. Decades of failed government policies have accumulated to make this mess. And public officials' often contradictory edicts during the pandemic have not helped.

In short: Another round of mask mandates issued from Washington is not going to end the pandemic in the rural South.

Are there circumstances where masks might still be helpful in curbing COVID-19? Sure. "If you're around vulnerable people, if you're taking care of a newborn or an elderly patient and you're vaccinated and if you don't feel well, you should probably get yourself checked out and not assume you're impervious to any kind of infection even if you're vaccinated," Scott Gottlieb, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, told CBS' Face the Nation on Sunday. "If you can get your hands on a KN95 mask or an N95 mask, that's going to afford you a lot more protection," he added.

It certainly makes some sense to take extra precautions when interacting with vulnerable people. And if wearing a mask all the time makes you feel safer or more willing to go about your normal life, by all means, do so.

But those two things can be true without justifying a return to mandated masking. At this stage of the pandemic, with safe and effective vaccines readily available for all Americans over age 12, there is no need for another round of public debates over masks, which were always temporary, less-than-perfect tools for combatting COVID-19.


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Who gets to decide what's true? We all do. Jonathan Rauch on the epistemological revolutions that made the modern world possible:

Although [Adam] Smith did not invent markets, he notated the code which enabled a tribal primate, wired for personal relationships in small, usually related groups, to cooperate impersonally across unbounded networks of strangers, and to do so without any central authority organizing markets and issuing commands. Economic liberalism—market cooperation—is a species-transforming piece of social software, one which enables us to function far above our designed capacity.

Political liberalism grapples with another version of the cooperation problem: Can we make rules that channel self-interest, ambition, and bias to benefit society as a whole? Can we provide social stability without squelching social dynamism, and without submitting to a Hobbesian authority? Yet another version of the cooperation problem preoccupies epistemic liberalism: Can people with sharp differences of opinion be induced to cooperate in building knowledge, again providing both stability and dynamism without recourse to authoritarianism?

But, of course, Adam Smith and John Locke didn't have to deal with Twitter.


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  1. …even though vaccination is the actually effective way to combat the more infectious delta variant.

    Masks are the stick since the carrot of ceaseless nagging apparently won’t work.

    1. If anyone reading has not, get the shot. It’s free. It’s safe. It’s the fastest way to put this in the rear view.

      1. Even those with immunity through prior infection? Why are you America-Firsting this global crisis when there are parts of the world desperate for shots?

        1. I guess you could go down to your local vaccination clinic and ask them to send your dose to India. Don’t think they are set up for doing that, but you could try.

          1. As a matter of public policy. Anyone who believes inoculation is the key to zero-covid or whatever has to acknowledge that the entire world needs access to a vaccine.

            1. Dee still blames Trump for Covid, so acknowledging it’s a pandemic (which requires it to be across multiple nations. She doesn’t actually know what the word means) isn’t part of her talking points.

        2. That’s fine, too.

          Doesn’t matter how you get it. Antibodies are good.

      2. Appeasement totes never invites more aggression!

        1. Masks in our time?

          1. Masks today, masks tomorrow, masks forever!

            – some governor blocking access to a high school under threat from a bunch of undesirable (no vaccine, no masks) students

      3. And as an example of ceaseless nagging…

        1. In response to people being suspect of getting the vaccine because they don’t trust the government, DOL says hold my beer.

        2. And an example of idiocy…

          1. Yes, you are. Rimshot.

      4. Hey DOL!
        Still waiting for the cite wherein you back up you claim that “Ken lies!”
        Been a couple of weeks, asshole. Did you ‘forget’, or were you lying?

      5. you can have mine, DOL

      6. All the people who are not getting the vaccine because the government is telling them they should, and they distrust the government, are still letting the government control their decision making. And letting the government control their decision making in an especially dumb, adolescent way.

        1. if you’re correct & the government has control of me whether I decide to get the vaccine or resist getting the vaccine, it’s still safer to take my chances and not.

      7. I would but I don’t have an ID, or internet, or know how to work the internet

      8. It’s safe only if you don’t count the thousands of VAERS reports. And those are just what have been reported to the CDC. There are undoubtedly many more that are unreported.

        1. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-9318/fact-check-reports-of-9318-vaers-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-do-not-prove-causality-idUSL1N2P21CV

          “Anyone can report events to VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html) and a disclaimer on the CDC’s website says: ‘The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable’”

      9. You telling me it’s “safe” is like giving me a movie review, and I would probably trust you more on that one.

    2. a variant like Delta, which has this extraordinary characteristic of being able to spread very efficiently and very easily from person to person

      You know what else spreads very efficiently and very easily from person to person, especially school children?

      Cooties. Cooties spread very efficiently and very easily among school children, some studies indicate that by the time they are in the fifth grade nearly 100% of all children will have been exposed to the cooties. The bad thing about cooties is that they are generally spread asymptomatically so that one is never quite sure whether or not one has contracted the cooties, the good thing about cooties is that it rarely requires hospitalization and there are no known fatalities from the cooties virus.

      This may or may not compare favorably to the Delta variant of the Covid virus, since nobody will give you a straight answer on whether or not the Delta variant is more serious than the regular virus or simply more infectious. And the fact that they won’t tell you the hospitalization rate or death rate from the Delta variant but hype the shit out of the case rate makes me suspect I know what the answer is.

      1. The combination of ‘I’m trying so hard to be cute here’ and ‘I don’t know what I’m talking about’ is so symmetrical here as to be beautiful!

        1. I suspect the Queen often had cooties at school.

          1. A reaccuring infection.

          2. “I am in the second grade, mentally!”

            1. Speaking from experience?

          3. Super Spreader

        2. If you thought that was witty it wasn’t.

      2. https://www.wsj.com/articles/delta-variant-hospitalizations-covid-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-11626374706

        A second question is whether a particular variant is making infected people sicker. This question is answered fairly easily by looking at publicly available data from the CDC and comparing hospitalizations per case, particularly in regions where a new variant is more common. We analyzed these CDC data and found that the hospitalization data support none of the alarming headlines suggesting Delta is more dangerous than earlier strains.

        Hospitalization data are a key to understanding the overall risk for two reasons. They tell us whether healthcare systems are overwhelmed, and they predict deaths with high reliability. Positivity data are less reliable, especially the relationship between infection and hospitalizations becomes weaker in highly vaccinated countries like the U.S. We conducted similar analyses in April, when headlines were raging that the U.K. variant, now called Alpha, was driving surges in kids. We found that it wasn’t, and that juvenile hospitalizations weren’t rising in places with a high prevalence of the Alpha variant.

        U.S. hospitalization data also show not only that higher Delta prevalence doesn’t go hand in hand with higher hospitalization rates; these numbers appear inversely correlated—that is, places that had higher percentages of the Delta variant had lower ratios of hospitalized people to Covid cases. Whatever else we know or don’t know about Delta, its prevalence clearly isn’t driving hospitalizations. When we look at current hospitalization data across the country, the most striking predictive pattern is that a high vaccination rate in a region accurately predicts a lower hospitalization rate.

        1. The delta variant has lower hospitalization to cases because it’s trying to infect a population that is 50% vaccinated.

          You’re using the benefit of the vaccine to argue against getting it. Priceless.

          1. I’m not arguing against getting vaccinated – and I wouldn’t. I got the shot at my first opportunity and encourage everyone to do the same, if only to undercut all the stupid rationalizations for the re-imposition of ineffective and costly NPIs.

            I’m actually impressed that you would read a quote with a final sentence of “the most striking predictive pattern is that a high vaccination rate in a region accurately predicts a lower hospitalization rate” as an argument against vaccination.

            1. Covid has made everyone dumber.

    3. The mask mandate is suggested FOR CHILDREN IN SCHOOL WHO ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE VACCINATION.

      1. Because more child abuse is definitely what’s called for!

        1. Plus, MORE YELLING!

          1. Child abuse AND yelling are good things.

            Important to let children know you hate them early on.

            1. How are they gonna learn to yell at their own kids someday?

      2. And yet children don’t spread it. And children suffer virtually no harm from it. And masks don’t stop it spreading.

        Sweden never had children masked or distanced and never closed schools. No children died, and teachers suffered a lower case rate than average adults.

        So stop forcing children to wear masks! It’s madness. And abuse.

        1. johns hopkins did a study that kids under 18 with no comorbidities have ZERO chance of death with SARS part 2 &3.

          0%.

          Notice the commies at unreason will never follow this story.

          1. With comorbidities in under 15s the number is something like 400,000-500,000 to one odds.

            I did the math. The closest thing I could find was a CDC note that you have about a 500-600,000 to one chance of getting struck by lightning in the US. So, yeah. That’s how dangerous it is to younger children.

            These numbers may have changed since I looked them up while back. So maybe it’s only 300K:1 odds. But, then, 8000 kids a year drown, half of them die, so it’s still way lower than other dangers.

    4. Really? How is that?

  2. When will Fauci answer for his crimes against humanity?

    1. What are his ‘crimes against humanity?’

      1. You already know.

        1. And yet, like a troll, you can’t say…Hmmm.

          1. >> like a troll

            lol hi kettle, it’s pot …

            1. lol hi kettle, it’s pot …

              Just call me black.

              1. You’re focking stupid and engage in stupid banter.

    2. Yesterday fauci said gain of function experiments were necessary, but i thought he said we didn’t do that. some one is not remembering his own lies which also shows he lied before congress which is illegal or used to be anyway.

      1. Depends who you are.

      2. Cite to him literally saying that?

        1. He said it during the back and forth with Rand Paul last week. He simply claimed the experiments didn’t lead to covid, therefore it was okay.

    3. Emory university in the despicable south did a study that naturally exposed Americans to SARS part 2 developed long lasting and wide ranging antibodies.

      Its almost like those that got COVID and survived have strong immune responses to any SARS variants while those who took the vaccine only have limited immune response to one variant of Kungflu.

      Since COVID 19 has a <1% death rate for those under 65 years old, I was correct…again.

      Just like I predicted Trump would win the majority of legal votes in the states that mattered. el Presidente Biden lost, as predicted.

  3. That’s just a few days after President Joe Biden suggested that the CDC could soon issue guidance telling children under 12—who can not yet get the various COVID-19 vaccines—to wear masks while attending school.

    Teachers unions don’t want their members exposed to all those full faces.

    1. Seems like a reasonable reason is right there in the sentence, no need for suggesting interest group shenanigans.

      1. You’re weak and pathologically dependent.

        1. Lol, spoken like a mewling quim!

          1. Yes, that is an accurate way to describe your commentary.

            Got any other Avengers quotes for us?

            1. You are America’s ass.

      2. …who can not yet get and do not need the various COVID-19 vaccines…

        COVID has minimal impact on children, and they are not responsible for the teacher’s well being. Roughly 350 kids have died during the entirety of the pandemic, and ALL of them had comorbidities. More died from pneumonia.

        1. You’ve made several claims here, citations?

          1. Citations on the multiple claims?

            1. My guess is she specifically wants a cite on kids not being responsible for teacher’s health. Because the rest are known to anyone paying attention.

          2. Here. Now go fuck yourself.

          3. GFY, Mike

    2. The teachers need to stop exposing their members.

      1. Wait, I thought that was priests.

    3. Seems like a reasonable reason is right there in the sentence,

      Seems to whom? Everything I’ve read is that kids are less likely to contract, develop symptoms, and transmit than their teachers are. Like infinitely less relative to the effects of masks.

      1. Kid’s are less likely to contract and transmit, but they also can’t be vaccinated, and the vaccinated are much less likely to contract and transmit, no?

        1. ^psychotic neurosis

          1. Hmm, what was ‘psychotically neurotic’ in what I said? You’re not a sad, pathetic troll I’m sure, so you’ll tell me rather than just keep with this snide few word comments.

            1. There was that story of a tiger at the zoo getting it, yet tigers can’t get vaccinated. So all tigers in the zoo need to wear a mask.

              I nominate you to apply the masks.

            2. The complete irrationality of your fear and demands that everyone else be forced to accommodate it?

        2. Does this mean we’re all in agreement? Naturally low risk children plus low risk vaccinated staff means no masks necessary?

          1. Are the staff necessarily low risk due to vaccination? What about those medically/religiously exempt?

            And, my point is that kids are not lower risk than the vaccinated and they can’t be vaccinated. So the logic that allows the vaccinated to do X, Y, Z doesn’t necessarily apply to them, no?

            1. With most teachers vaccinated, the risk is well below the risk that everyone has always accepted forever from other viruses that are always around.

              1. Most? How about those others?

                1. If you are so unwell that you can’t take this vaccine, then you probably shouldn’t be in a classroom full of kids either. People in such condition always need to be careful. There are very few people in such a situation. It’s absurd to put masks on kids because there might be a teacher somewhere who can’t get vaccinated. And masks aren’t an impenetrable barrier to viruses. They don’t eliminate risk. At best they reduce it a little bit. But if you are someone at high risk, you’re an idiot if you think masks are real protection.
                  If you take a religious exemption, then you have made your decision and presumably accept the extra risk.

                  1. Remember when the pro-mask crowd pointed to Japan, because of the high number of mask wearers and the low infection rate, as evidence that masks work?

                    1. If anything, masks provide a false sense of security. Many places in Eastern Europe were similarly smug last summer, thinking that all their masks and lockdowns saved them. Then last winter they looked just like everywhere else. They just lucked out and got it too late to have a serious epidemic in 2020.

                    2. Nobody talks about Japan anymore. Odd.

                2. They’re adults who have chosen to assume a certain amount of risk. Let them deal with it on their own terms.

                  You zero-COVID enthusiasts are nutty totalitarians.

            2. Except they are lower risk than the vaccinated.

            3. The staff of public schools naturally hate a socialist created virus that disrupts lives, make everyone worse off, and destroys wealth… The were the originals and hate the competition!

              1. The staff of public schools hate the idea of actually having to go back to full time work.

                1. They never had full time work.

        3. You have mastered the definitive logic exhibited by most teachers (and union officials and politicians).

          1. And you seem to have mastered the logic of the troll, who says ‘you’re wrong’ but doesn’t (can’t?) take the time to say why.

            1. You are the expert on that, bitch.

              1. Still can’t or won’t. Interesting.

            2. I always love retards who demand citations but never provide their own. QA is an expert at that.

              https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/01/06/peds.2020-048090.full.pdf

              There. Child to adult transmissions.

              1. Queen keeps asking for cites for well known information. Yet hasn’t responded to a single cite given.

            3. You’re not worth our time Jacob.

        4. No is the correct answer. Child to adult transmission is virtually zero. Vaccinated getting infected is not.

        5. Kid’s are less likely to contract and transmit, but they also can’t be vaccinated,

          It’s funny, the Branch Covidians keep bringing up the polio vaccine–but that was tested for several years prior to its release, priority was given to children and pregnant mothers until stocks built up to where everyone was able to take it, and even then it had to be modified later on when several thousand people actually contracted polio from it.

          If it’s so “safe and effective,” why aren’t kids eligible for receiving it, considering they tend to be common cold vectors? Oh, that’s right, they didn’t start clinical trials of this stuff on kids until March–of this year.

          1. Because the vaccines have not gone through the regular rounds of testing and that, with rare exceptions, children do not die of Covid.

        6. Kid’s are less likely to contract and transmit, but they also can’t be vaccinated, and the vaccinated are much less likely to contract and transmit, no?

          No, it’s been repeatedly pointed out that the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting or transmitting the disease, predominantly from suffering the symptoms more severely. Part of the reason they’re having trouble establishing that kids should get vaccinated (It’s been, what, 6 mos. longer? Guess it makes sense that Joe Biden’s warp speed is a bit slower than Trump’s.) is because they can’t prove that the vaccine works equivalently/better than controls in children.

  4. “the U.K. invites more skilled immigrants”

    Good. As a left-libertarian, I demand all developed countries on this planet — except Israel, of course — invite unlimited, unrestricted immigration.

    #OpenBorders

    1. Only “developed” countries? Sir, check your first world privilege.

  5. Many people here and elsewhere in the Southeast are turning down Covid-19 vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election and sick of Democrats in Washington thinking they know what’s best.

    Almost as though they refuse to let go of being lied to and gaslit by every institution the past year and a half.

    1. You can’t handle the truth!

      1. OK, you win. We definitely want you on that wall.

      2. The truth? Like 61% of the vaccine hesitant are not conservatives. 41% being democrats?

        I know you thrive on narratives over facts just like ENB does.

        Those numbers from CNN last week.

      3. Like CNN admitting the spent the trump years making up stories

    2. There was fraud but not enough to influence the outcome. The problem is that they weren’t lied to enough to make any difference.

      1. Where was the ‘fraud?’

        1. So clueless.

          1. Can’t identify? I understand. Lot’s of baseless accusations going around, some just accept and repeat it without thinking much.

            1. You’ve never provided a single citation. Weird.

        2. Paterson, NJ.

          1. Lol!

            1. As indicated, the problem isn’t these people don’t trust the government because it lied to them, the problem is that they don’t trust the government because it (still) says it hasn’t lied to them enough.

        3. In GA alone. 5000 double voters, people who voted absentee and in person. Up to 30k voted in the wrong county.

          Already dozens of mail in fraud convictions across the states.

          Over a dozen lawsuits where judges ruled last minute election changes done by the executive branches in states were illegal.

          Thats just what is admitted.

    3. Politico is full of shit. AL,LA,MS,SC have the highest pct of black citizens. Blacks lad whites by 20%+ in getting the jab

    4. Going through life being all bent out of shape that government lies and gets its facts wrong is like going through life being upset that advertisements aren’t fully truthful. Develop a healthy b.s. filter and move on.

      Deciding not to get vaccinated because you distrust the government is letting the government control your decision making.

      1. Here Dee compares government to advertisers.

        Both can just as easily be ignored!

      2. But aren’t they making medical decisions based on information gathered and provided by government functionaries and filtered largely through media intermediaries? These are institutions that have proven untrustworthy to many (me included). Where else are they to get data? Pharmaceutical companies?

        And let’s not pretend that there is no policy being enacted based on government pronouncements if not yet by government itself. It should be painfully obvious to everyone who frequents this site that every public policy ends up at the point of a state agent’s weapon.

  6. .. Scott Gottlieb, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration…
    As long as you once had any position in the government, you are now an “expert” on viral transmission.

    1. Unless you have the wrong facts, then it does’t matter if you’re a governor or currently sitting Senator.

  7. State and local public health officials have struggled to combat that deep-rooted obstinance…

    It’s inconceivable that more obfuscation and obvious attempts at coercion are no longer working.

  8. “Nothing to see here, China says, rebuffing the World Health Organization’s plan for an investigation into COVID-19’s origins.”

    Ugh. At this point it’s clear some people just don’t want to accept the truth.

    Here’s the WaPo fact checker over one year ago: it is virtually impossible for this virus jump from the lab.

    #LibertariansAgainstSinophobia
    #(FocusYourAngerOnRussiaInstead)

  9. The vaccine is a non-starter in communities where people say they do not trust the federal government.

    The federal bureaucracy doesn’t suffer well reaping what it’s sown.

    1. Is the federal bureaucracy suffering or people in those communities?

      1. Because we all accept that the key role of a massive bureaucratic government is to minimize a specific, federally-defined suffering by any means necessary, including noble(ish) lies–and force, if necessary.

        1. Hmm, so a dodge, then?

          1. No. The rightful snark your comment deserves.

      2. Yes increased spending with less ability to support it is one part where it is suffering.

      3. Different use of the word suffer.

      4. What a weird brag about your authoritarian masters being just fine.

    2. Yes, but it’s the people not getting vaccinated who are suffering. They are cutting off their own nose to try to spite government’s face. That’s dumb.

      1. @MikeLaursen… …And? Seriously, and? (assuming its only the unvaxed getting Coof 2.0) so they are cutting off their own nose. Seems libertarian to support that, no? [now do smoking]

        1. Dee’s not a libertarian, she’s a squawking bird.

        2. Standard libertarian disclaimer: Just because I criticize a lifestyle or personal decision doesn’t mean I want to pass a law against it.

          1. You’re not a libertarian.

      2. You have the perspective of a genetic failure, the rest of us have immune systems.

  10. Another article about vaccine refusals and yet no comment on the right wing campaign of lies designed to get people to refuse the vaccine.

    1. Nobody should think for themselves.

      1. How do you get that out of what Molly said?

      2. The establishment left seems a bit panicked.
        Haven’t seen them send in queenie this early before.

        1. Lol, the level of conspiratorial thought in this comment is priceless.

          Yeah, dude, anyone who might think your line is dumb is part of a coordinated attack by the Lizard People elites! Lol.

          1. Wow, here we see queenie admit to being paid to shitpost

            1. That seemed a given. It got active right around the start of fed Q3, when there was lot of flailing with the DNC talking points in the narrative media.

            2. Whatever they pay her, it’s too much.

    2. All the ads I’ve seen promoting the vaccine to holdouts are clearly targeted at POC. Why are they targeting the wrong demongraphic?

    3. I didn’t know Kamala was right wing.

      1. Are you talking about Kamala, the wrestler?

        1. No, the Vice President. Who was spreading anti-vaccine rhetoric before the election. Some people might have payed attention to that.

          1. She’s used to spreading.

    4. Damn that free speech!

      1. Uh, the whole point of the ‘marketplace of ideas’ free speech defense is that people will be called out for selling defective products.

        1. Like masks from Etsy?

    5. MollyBitch troll with another asswipe of a comment.

      (it’s actually a lot of democrats including blacks and hispanics who wont get the vaccine).

      1. Your assertion doesn’t undermine Molly’s point…

        1. Facts do.

        2. Yeah, if it’s one thing we know about POCs, it’s that they’re devoted consoooooooomers of right-wing news media.

    6. The most recent Kaiser poll helps illustrate that the vaccine hesitant group doesn’t really lean Republican. Just 20% of the group called themselves Republican with an additional 19% being independents who leaned Republican. The clear majority (61%) were not Republicans (41% said they were Democrats or Democratic leaning independents and 20% were either pure independents or undesignated).

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/09/politics/vaccine-hesitant-analysis/index.html

      Ignorance seems to be a key trait of the left.

      1. You left off the very next paragraph:

        “This is very much unlike the vaccine resistant group, of whom 55% are Republican or Republican leaning independents. Just 21% of that group are Democrats or Democratic leaning independents.“

        1. @Molly, does the article define hesitant group and resistant group – seems a very odd delineation to be used in a poll that is actually attempting to learn something useful.

    7. My coworker turned his radio on to AM on Friday and there was Sean Hannity urging people to get the vaccine.

      There is no vast right wing conspiracy telling people to not get the vaccine you fucking authoritarian.

  11. Let’s deny masks work, then mandate masks, then never differentiate between medical grade n95 masks & pieces of cloth, then mask only children for a bit, then reimpose universal mask mandates on vaccinated people and then ask why trust in institutions is crumbling.

    Let’s not forget making it of utmost importance staying away from crowds, unless there’s social signaling (and some probably legit demonstrating) to be done.

    1. “Let’s deny masks work, then mandate masks, then never differentiate between medical grade n95 masks & pieces of cloth, then mask only children for a bit, then reimpose universal mask mandates on vaccinated people and then ask why trust in institutions is crumbling.”

      Well, it can’t be that experts were working with let’s say a ‘novel’ problem and the usual resource logistics, human factors (propensity to panic, act irrationality, etc.,), and quite naturally did a reasonable best they could in consideration, rather it’s that they were incompetent (certainly the critic’s *predictions* [rather than hindsight] was nothing but meticulous!]) or some conspiracy….

      You know, trained meteorologists often get the weather ‘wrong’ at certain times and places. But are there masses of people who refuse to check the weather or upon doing so say ‘it says rain, but I’m going to engage in my own measures of barometer, humidity, etc., and then decide to bring an umbrella!’?

      1. Well, it can’t be that experts were working with let’s say a ‘novel’ problem

        Infectious disease is not a novel problem. If it is a novel problem, there are no experts.

        1. It’s almost like this was a ‘novel’ version of that problem…

          1. Nah. The novel part was the insane “solutions”. Without that it wouldn’t have been much different from any other serious flu-like pandemic.

            1. Was the ‘novel’ virus not new? Maybe different in important ways from ‘other serious flu-like’ problems?

              And, were the solutions so new?

              1. Viruses mutate daily. Are you that fucking dumb? Your claim is we have daily novel attacks that feds must protect us based from bad information.

              2. Funny how they implemented the exact same public health measures they did 100 years ago for such a “novel” problem.

                You’d think “novel” problems would require “novel” solutions.

              3. It’s not exactly the same as a flu, but it’s the same general kind of thing. Definitely counts as “flu-like illness”. In terms of imact on society, it’s the same as a moderately bad flu. Some people get seriously ill, some people die, most people by far will be fine or have mild illness. Without any government intervention more people might have died (though I’m not entirely convinced), but it would have been far less disruptive to society in general without any government intervention.

              4. The media thought the virus was a lot more novel than our bodies do, that’s why there’s significant cross immunity.

          2. It’s almost like this was a ‘novel’ version of that problem…

            So, ‘novel’ in quotes meaning you’re quoting someone or ‘novel’ in scare quotes meaning you’re emphasizing a word or phrase or to indicate its special status, especially to express doubt about its validity or to criticize its use?

      2. But are there masses of people who refuse to check the weather or upon doing so say ‘it says rain, but I’m going to engage in my own measures of barometer, humidity, etc., and then decide to bring an umbrella!’?

        Yes there are.

        1. Lol, I guess you didn’t read down far enough to see this is in large part a NOAA and NSF project. Whoosh goes the point!

          1. So you weren’t actually asking if there were masses of people or people ignoring weathermen and taking their own measurements. Did you read far enough to discover how many meterologists were administering/managing the data collection or did you just look for something tangentially supporting the point you weren’t making?

            1. She’s just making up bullshit.

        2. the weather men are never wrong. I could barely type that without laughing. its a perfect example of science and how often it fails.

          1. Certainly you totally ignore them and engage in your own analysis. And all governments (local, state, federal) should, especially in emergency situations!

            1. Certainly you totally ignore them and engage in your own analysis.

              I do. Weathermen for guesses, radar for guidance, hands/eyeballs for truth.

      3. As I recall, the Bush era lockdown playbook that everyone was using also noted that being upfront and honest on matters of public health was of utmost importance when it came to enacting policy.

        You can ascribe noble purpose to their deliberate lies or not, it doesn’t change the criticism. They were not honest and we’re seeing the results. Don’t let them off the hook or they will never learn.

        1. Finally a fair point. But what’s the tack to be taken now, sow more distrust in expertise?

          1. The track to be taken now is to stop. We’ve done what we can with vaccines. The danger is now in line with what has always been acceptable risk to almost everyone. The people who have figured out that we have been lied to are not going to trust these assholes on this issue ever. Stop the public health tyranny now and never let it happen again.

            1. Yes, that’s why it’s paramount to not be dishonest with the public. I don’t see that trust being regained.

              Let’s be honest. With the overt disdain shown to anyone hesitant to make personal health decisions based on coercive tactics from press, officials and pop culture, do you believe you would be told if any contradictory data was honestly discovered? Both sides are entrenched and neither would be eager to admit it was wrong on anything. Once we let ourselves go to this point, there’s no easy fix, so people just keep doing what they’re doing.

              1. Exactly there’s really nothing more they can gain by the posturing and hand wringing. You have people mad not getting, people who are anti vaxx, people who feel it works but are not because of the abuse of has to have a stand taken against them, people who’ve gotten it that feel that’s immunity and host of other reasons. Were’ at the point like fist and zeb say that you can be pissed and go all queeny and molly and try to act mentally superior but it doesn’t matter all those two are going to get at this point is high blood pressure and possibly and aneurysm because your words don’t matter and they can’t change crap at this point.

            2. Uh, Springfield, Missouri?

              I take it you think that when the national weather service issues tornado, flash flood, etc., alerts we should ignore them because they’ve been ‘wrong’ about some of that?

              1. That’s a stupid argument. We know how weather forecasting works and they don’t generally pretend to know more than they do.
                It’s not that they have been wrong. It’s that they have been dishonest, unwilling to admit when they were wrong and actively sought to silence those who disagree.

              2. Yes. Studies show excess false warnings leaf to people to stop listening.

                1. It’s like Queen has never heard the story of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”.

            3. “We’ve done what we can with vaccines. ”

              Have we? Do you think there might be people who are working to undermine trust in the vaccinces in bad ways?

              1. OK, we’ve done what we can in an ethical and freedom-compatible way. Sure, we could have armed men going house to house forcing people to get vaccinated.

                1. They could try

                  1. And probably would get more people to get vaccinated. Until they got shot.

                    1. I’m not sure they’re ready for real mostly peaceful civil war yet, which is why it needs to happen sooner rather than later.
                      Or we can just go the way of communazi totalitarianism while we sit around bitching and having academic discussions.

              2. Do you have exllicit examples you are concerned about? Informing people of risk from side effects isnt a bad thing. Especially from a disease whose death rate to the under 55 population being less than driving to work daily.

              3. Kamala Harris has entered the chat.

          2. But what’s the tack to be taken now, sow more distrust in expertise?

            Implied in this assumption is that Bush Administration “experts” were right.

      4. So because it was novel, they thought large groups of people protesting for racial issues wouldn’t spread the virus?

        I’ve never seen a weatherman incorporate race or political party in their forecast.

        1. Which experts said the BLM protests didn’t have potential to spread the virus?

          1. Several even Scientific American had several articles on the subject.

            1. Citation?

              1. Are you white knight?

                1. They have never provided their own citation. Just a troll ask.

                2. One of the many things that was cool about The White Knight is that he would provide a citation when asked for one. Often he provided it before asked.

                  1. White Knight was Mike Liarson’s sock. How pathetic that she just complimented herself.

              2. You should throw a party. Invite some razor blades. Then introduce them to your wrists

          2. Your ignorance is not my concern.

      5. Respiratory viruses and their transmission are hardly a novel problem.

        1. Lol, immunology issues are hardly novel, but recently HIV kind of was.

          1. ^Thinks HIV is a respiratory virus^

            1. Lol. In case anyone wasn’t convinced queen is a low IQ troll.

          2. Funny how Fauci fucked that one up, too.

      6. Well, it can’t be that experts were working with let’s say a ‘novel’ problem and the usual resource logistics, human factors (propensity to panic, act irrationality, etc.,), and quite naturally did a reasonable best they could in consideration, rather it’s that they were incompetent

        The experts have a long history of being just as guilty of these failings, if not moreso, than ordinary people.

      7. It’s super weird because us “seasonality theorists” have been correct since May of last year. Everything that happened since has been predicted months in advance.

        How come the “experts” haven’t figured it out yet?

      8. Well, it can’t be that experts were working with let’s say a ‘novel’ problem

        The most ‘novel’ element of the problem was how much of a work of fiction it became in a short period of time.

    2. Or fleeing the Texas legislature.

      1. Or Democrat governors going out to dinner with others unmasked. And Pelosi at the Salon…

          1. They really aren’t even trying to hide that they’re a ruling caste anymore. Once upon a time such blatant hypocrisy would destroy most people’s political career. Now it’s business as usual.

    3. (don’t forget the recent NBA finals – all those anti-super-spreaders in the crowds outside the stadiums (over double those in the stadiums)

      The hand wringing and waaling by the woke announcers for those congregating outside the stadiums to please leave for their own health was deafening /sarc

  12. Who gets to decide what’s true? We all do.

    You just have to wear a mask while you do.

  13. #BidenBoom update.

    The 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $221 billion this year.

    For decades Koch / Reason libertarianism has worked toward one fundamental goal — transform the US economy into a well-oiled machine that concentrates wealth at the very top. President Joe Biden has accomplished this in half a year.

    #MostLibertarianPresidentEver

    1. It’s a start, but I feel more could be done in this regard.

      1. Then convince all your friends to vote Democrat. Because as long as Democrats control Washington DC, billionaires will keep getting richer.

        #InDefenseOfBillionaires

        1. Don’t anyone tell this guy about the tax cuts.

          1. It’s a parody account, moron.

            1. Lol, you can still make fun of parody’s….moron.

              Buckleup, working *very* hard to play two-dimensional chess.

              1. “parody’s”

                How about parroties?

                1. Parities are also worth mocking.

          2. The cuts where 90% went to the middle class?

            1. The tax cuts being for the rich is always a tell.

    2. More good news.

      In 2021 Democrats have raised the minimum wage by: $0.00 / hour

      In 2021 Reason.com benefactor Charles Koch’s net worth has increased by: $7.96 billion

      Do you finally understand why Koch-funded libertarians overwhelmingly supported Biden? With Drumpf in the White House, Mr. Koch lost $5 billion in one year (2020). With a Democrat, he gains $8 billion in half a year.

      #GetReadyForTheKochComeback

      1. It was always funny to see leftists cast the Kochs as such a nefarious boogeyman, but seeing Trumpists do the same is the chef’s kiss to this paranoia.

        1. I have convinced many of my progressive friends that the Koch Brothers were the good guys all along. The key, I’ve found, is to stress their decades of open borders advocacy.

          #ImmigrationAboveAll

          1. It’s odd they fell for that given they gave tens of millions to support Republicans, not Democrats.

            https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=Americans+for+Prosperity

    3. The best part of billionaires getting wealthy under Biden is that with Biden running the economy I’m fairly confident we’ll all be billionaires shortly. Possibly trillionaires even.

      1. Get your cash wheelbarrow before there’s a shortage on those too.

  14. The United Kingdom is easing immigration rules to allow some college graduates to move there without a job offer in hand.

    “Welcome to Britain. All your would-be employers and their customers are locked in their houses right now. He’s some council welfare to tide you over, mate.”

    1. If Britain is allowing in highly educated people at much higher rates than we are, they will eventually be eating our lunch economically.

      The US should allow highly-educated and highly-trained immigrants. That’s a no-brainer.

      While we are at it, allow in all attractive, young female immigrants.

      1. Highly educated, productive people are not moving to a place with a yuge tax rate on productive people.

        1. Where do they have left to go?

  15. The Senate could open debate today on a roughly $1 trillion infrastructure bill after Republicans scuttled a vote on the bill last week.

    I’m sure the weekend was enough time to give it a thorough once-over.

    1. The bill is more what you’d call guidelines than actual rules.

  16. U.S. officials say COVID travel restrictions will remain in place for now.

    BLAME YOUR UNVAXXED NEIGHBORS.

    1. No worries, they will all be dead (twice) by next week.

  17. Tunisian security forces raided Al Jazeera’s offices in Tunis amid reports of a coup attempt.

    Someone was trying to overthrow Al Jazeera?

    1. Fake news?

    2. It’s like Team Obama is back in office again…

      1. They only changed the puppet.

        1. The scary thing is now they know the puppet doesn’t even need to be coherent.

    3. They observed a fire extinguisher in the lobby.

  18. It certainly makes some sense to take extra precautions when interacting with vulnerable people. And if wearing a mask all the time makes you feel safer or more willing to go about your normal life, by all means, do so.

    This is why the rationing/triage decisions when hospital capacity is reached should change. Hospitals are full of vulnerable people. The unvax are the REASON that hospital capacity will hit max if it does locally – and that is a choice that they made. Further, part of that choice was that they do not give a shit about keeping others from getting infected.

    So when hospitals hit max, the unvax should not be admitted. They should not be allowed to step in front of someone else in the triage when they created the problem. And this should be made public BEFORE a locality hits capacity so that people can use that info re getting vaccinated.

    Mask mandates and other mandated stuff is crap now.

    1. You are a monster.

      1. That’s what triage is – a decision about who is going to die because capacity is maxxed and someone will die.

        1. They don’t base triage on political considerations, you sick, amoral asshole. They base it on who can be saved and who can’t. The people who are passed over in emergency triage situations are the ones who are going to die anyway, with or without treatment. Not the ones whose injuries or illnesses are their own fault.

          1. In a triage situation, a serial sex offender will be prioritized over a sex crimes detective- if the latter is going to die anyway.

          2. Really. So why was elective surgery closed off in hospitals? That is all this is. A designation that the unvax have elected to risk a case of covid progressing to hospitalization need. Which isn’t a problem – until the hospital system is at max capacity and that decision forces someone else to die if the unvax push themselves into the front of the line.

            1. the closing off of surgery was not necessary and caused more harm than good. If mask worked they could have still performed operations but they chose not to and countless harm was caused by delayed surgeries even death in many cases and beyond that several hospitals had to let go of surgens and staff due to lack of use since they had no covid patients but were still closed by national mandate.

              1. The issue there was that hospitals were NOT at capacity. Not that hospitals were at capacity – but someone with money scheduled for liposuction could be at the front of triage line.

                1. It wasn’t just liposuction surgeries that were canceled. But you know that.

                  1. I dont think he does. This is the same fucktard applauding the expansion of the Capitol Police.

                  2. And breast implants. Both sides. 😉

                2. The hospitals at capacity due to COVID wanted the mandate gone, too. It was one of the worst ideas ever implemented.

                3. @jfree, why would someone going in for SCHEDULED surgery go to a TRIAGE LINE?

            2. So why was elective surgery closed off in hospitals?
              Panic.

            3. Your asking why politicians are evil retarded assholes in a libritarian comment thread? Surgery was closed because the faggot progressive polititions wanted the pandemic to hurt as much as possible.

              1. Other than your use of faggot as a pejorative, I agree with you.

                1. Faggot needs to be brought back into use.
                  Not in regards to sexuality, but as an appropriate reference to the fasces from which the word fascism comes.
                  The fasces was the bundle of rods Roman lictors were equipped with for the purpose of disciplining citizens who violated the laws of the republic.

                  1. Nardz gets it!

                  2. Stupid assholes in the past ruined a damn good word because they were scared of the Big Gay.

                  3. Bundle of styx

          3. And no – triage is NOT about diagnosing which people are going to die anyway and which aren’t. That is not a difficult ethical choice at all. Asserting that those left out of the triage were going to die regardless is simply the rationale – the excuse – that makes those doing the triage feel better about their decisions. That they weren’t playing God but were merely playing doctor.

            1. Sometimes it is. When hospitals are at max capacity and there aren’t enough resources to treat everyone who needs treatment, hospitals make decisions based on who can most benefit from the scarce resources. It’s unethical to expend life saving resources on people who are beyond saving, because that takes resources away from those who could be saved by those same resources. It causes the death of someone else due to lack of resources.

              Either way, you’re a mendacious, amoral sack of shit. If you think it’s okay to turn people away from life saving care because they made bad decisions, you have no understanding of morals or ethics at all.

              1. It’s unethical to expend life saving resources on people who are beyond saving,

                I repeat THAT is not a difficult ethical decision. You are post-facto rationalizing

                1. I repeat, thinking it’s acceptable to deny care to someone because you disapprove of them is unethical and amoral in any context, and it makes you a bad person.

                  1. This has nothing to do with whether I like them or not. It has to do with – are they choosing to infect others under conditions where those others do not have access to medical care because the hospitals are full.

            2. Sending covid positive people back to the nursing homes was triage.

              1. Sending covid positive patients back to nursing home was throwing a match on a pile of dry sticks.

          4. And BTW – you ancaps and Mises crowd shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about ethics. You assclowns want triage to be entirely about money

            1. I missed this argument above. Can you point out who made it?

              1. Nobody did. He’s just trying to deflect attention from the fact that he wants people he doesn’t like to die.

            2. And jfree finally admits he isnt a libertarian.

              He wants some subjective measure of who and how life should be executed.

              1. As if it wasn’t obvious he’s an authoritarian asshole for well over a year.

        2. You, jfree.
          You’re the one to die.

      1. So what. When did swine flu max out hospital capacity?

        1. The same time covid did

          1. Point, Nardz.

        2. You do not seem to want to apply your principles consistently.

          1. I repeat. When did swine flu max out hospital capacity.

        3. several hospitals were overflowing and put up tents that said i don’t know why they didn’t just move them to other hospital that weren’t at capacity.small note most hospital like to work at capacity in the first place for economic reason so a small surge make the news and a lot of un needed panic. when will government require hospital to not be at capacity like they do with banks

          1. What is your evidence that hospitals normally work at capacity? The numbers indicate that hospitals normally work at about 65% or so of capacity.

            1. Lol. They generally operate over 80% you fucking moron. Especially major ones.

            2. He said they like to. Because more people means more money.

              How do you not get this?

        4. Almost every winter in places like New York the hospitals have reached capacity or near capacity from things like the flu. Nothing new here.

          1. No they don’t. There is nothing that was ‘seasonally normal’ about NYC last April. You people just continually fucking lie.

            1. Did they use the tents? Did they use the hospital ship?
              No to both.

              1. They could have used the tents and navy ship but Cuomo decide to infect and kill the elderly at care facilities.

                1. That isn’t an accurate statement of what happened with the hospital ships at all.

            2. Yeah that’s what happens when you speed up your curve and infect all the at-risk at once. Even still, NYC didn’t need the hospital ship or the temporary hospitals.

      1. And smokers.

        1. Interestingly, smokers don’t seem to be at extra risk. In fact, some studies have found that smokers make up a smaller proportion of people hospitalized for covid than they do of the general population.

          1. The smoke kills the virus.
            Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em!

          2. Saw an interesting article about the smokers that said nicotine causes excessive mucuc production, which prevents inflammation, which may have been saving smokers.

            1. For smokers, that news is a breath of fresh air.

          3. More of a general statement of health care resources.

        2. Alcoholics, extreme athletes, people who stay in the sun to long or work to long the list could be endless of those we could deny care for for their own personal failings

          1. Ahem, pregnancy services…

        3. Especially fat, black, transgender smokers.

      2. Also, people I just don’t give a shit about. Don’t forget to exclude them.

    2. Jfree supports a social credit system where he decides who is worthy of medical treatment. Seems right.

    3. Progressives continue to cheer for Thanos.

    4. Yes. Not getting the vax is a choice and with that choice should also come with the consequence of not receiving treatment if they get covid.

      1. Having sex is a choice and with that choice should come the consequence of not receiving an abortion if you get pregnant.

        1. That settles it. We can stop treating HIV, gonorrhea, etc. All because sex is a choice.

          1. Lefties are truly shallow, hypocritical, thinkers.

            1. And then there’s molly. Lol.

      2. Getting the vax is also a choice.

        Should the teenagers getting myocarditis also not receive treatment? It was a choice.

        How about the rare case of guillain barre? Should they be left to die? It was a choice.

        1. We should stop treating everyone who ever makes any choice that leads to a poor health outcome, because it’s their own fault they’re dying.

      3. Obesity is a choice. No more medical services for fatties.
        Unprotected gay anal sex is a choice so gay men with HIV need not apply.
        Getting pregnant is a choice so no birthing or abortion services to be provided.

    5. Great idea, but lets start with who actually paid/will pay for the hospital visit in the admittance process. All the leaches and freeloaders can wait for me and my unvaccinated body to mend before they cut in line; after all they are they are the ones that created the problem and they certainly didn’t give a shit whether there were beds for all since they weren’t even willing to pay for one for themselves.

    6. You jeffys are nothing if not predictable. Willing to abandon liberty at the first sign of risk.

      If you lost some weight, maybe you wouldn’t obsess so much about people breathing air or taking up hospital beds that you might need.

    7. Here in WA our hospitals are exactly as full as they’ve been all year — even before the vax was available. So if we’re worried about hospitals being able to keep up, we should look at the actual data instead of just shrieking about how they will all fill up this year but somehow didn’t last year.

  19. Gold’s 50-year relationship with inflation

    https://www.funds-europe.com/news/gold-s-50-year-relationship-with-inflation

    Something strange is going on. Over at wingnut.com and here at H&R comments inflation is “raging out of control” and prices are skyrocketing.

    Yet gold is down to $1801/oz from over $2000/oz since last August defying 50 year old patterns of rising together!

    How can gold fall during this “Haperinflation” the wingnuts are talking about?

    Strange indeed.

    1. Gold is out of favor. Cryptocurrency is the new gold.
      There is no such thing as wingnut.com.

      1. It’s a left wing strawman factory.

      2. It’s where Buttplug stores his opinions.

        1. Hopefully he doesn’t store pictures there too.

      3. Ding ding ding! Too much of the gold market isn’t actual in-hand gold.

    2. Maybe cause you can’t eat gold? On the other hand, what has happened to the price of ammunition?

      1. The price of Gold Dots have gone up.

    3. Good morning Real Buttplug!

      You’ve mentioned being an ACLU donor before, right? And I’m sure as a top capitalist you’re making tens of millions in this #BidenBoom. Maybe consider increasing your donation by a few hundred thousand to reward the ACLU for its left-libertarian Second Amendment position.

      Racism is foundational to the Second Amendment and its inclusion in the Bill of Rights.

      Michael Hihn would be proud.

      #LibertariansForGunSense

      1. Aren’t guns for shooting thugs?

        1. Especially seditious, democracy-threatening thugs, right?

    4. Damn, it’s a good thing folks eat and run their vehicles on gold.

      1. Buttplug thinks that inflation caused by the biggest borrowing spree in human history, won’t be any different than inflation caused by the OPEC crises.

        1. And economic collapse is an acceptable cure for inflation.

  20. France gives up essential liberties to purchase a little temporary security.

    As long as those mandated 30 days paid vacations stay intact.

    1. Progress: transforming a free people into people with free stuff. (Though debatable whether French people were ever really free, or wanted to be.)

    2. Didn’t they already do that in 1940 ish?

      1. It’s the story of the progressive era, which we’re been stuck in for over a century.
        Fuck Woodrow Wilson et al

        1. I voted for Woodchipper Wilson

  21. It costs more to get a woman’s attention on the internet than a man’s.

    Pics or it didn’t happen.

    1. Ask Anthony Weiner.

    2. Pics of shoes. Voila.

  22. Nothing to see here, China says, rebuffing the World Health Organization’s plan for an investigation into COVID-19’s origins.

    Keep up, China. American journalists and tech companies have been screaming this for well over a year.

    1. The Wuhan lab will be decorating it’s lobby with some new paintings.

  23. Sweden will experiment with paying people to get vaccinated.

    They’ll get to the stick soon enough.

  24. It costs more to get a woman’s attention on the internet than a man’s.

    The Mad Men’s algorithms are sexist.

  25. ” And if wearing a mask all the time makes you feel safer or more willing to go about your normal life, by all means, do so.”

    And if staying home will all your doors and windows sealed with plastic sheeting and duct tape, refusing to bathe or get a haircut, and screaming at the UPS man to stay 50 ft away makes you feel safer, by all means enjoy your “normal” life.

  26. Can people with sharp differences of opinion be induced to cooperate in building knowledge, again providing both stability and dynamism without recourse to authoritarianism?

    Yes – and it (checks and balances) works the same way that true free-market competition does. Here Kant – from Perpetual Peace –

    The problem of the formation of the state, hard as it may sound, is not insoluble, even for a[p. 154] race of devils, granted that they have intelligence. It may be put thus:—“Given a multitude of rational beings who, in a body, require general laws for their own preservation, but each of whom, as an individual, is secretly inclined to exempt himself from this restraint: how are we to order their affairs and how establish for them a constitution such that, although their private dispositions may be really antagonistic, they may yet so act as a check upon one another, that, in their public relations, the effect is the same as if they had no such evil sentiments.” Such a problem must be capable of solution. For it deals, not with the moral reformation of mankind, but only with the mechanism of nature; and the problem is to learn how this mechanism of nature can be applied to men, in order so to regulate the antagonism of conflicting interests in a people that they may even compel one another to submit to compulsory laws and thus necessarily bring about the state of peace in which laws have force.

    1. But you want to lock people out of the hospital.

    2. Nothing says “peace” like being compelled to submit to compulsory laws.

      1. You don’t understand the dynamic here. The compulsory element is exactly the same as prices in a completely free market. You have no choice in changing those prices. Everyone is a price taker. The only choice you have is to participate or not.

        In this case, the assumed objective is that everyone knows they need that general law. They just all also assume that they themselves can ignore/flout the law and still have it in place for others. THAT is what this dynamic prevents.

        1. Lol. It doesn’t prevent bad actions. Are you 12? Have you met people?

        2. The compulsory element is exactly the same as prices in a completely free market.

          “Compulsory” = “completely free”

          You make Kant look dumber than he was.

          1. Immanual kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable

            1. Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
              Who could think you under the table

  27. “Many people here and elsewhere in the Southeast are turning down Covid-19 vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election and sick of Democrats in Washington thinking they know what’s best. State and local public health officials have struggled to combat that deep-rooted obstinance,” Politico reports. “The vaccine is a non-starter in communities where people say they do not trust the federal government.”

    Including those Trump-loving black and brown people who lag behind whites in vaccination rates, right?

    1. Poor people in general lag behind in vaccination rates. And that correlates to Blacks and Latinos, and… Southern Po’ Whites.

      My proggie friends are busy pointing the finger at the Red State MAGA heads, but they aren’t the cause, they just got caught up in the correlation, in my opinion. Poverty correlates with the South and red states in general. Why? Ruralness and poverty, which frequently go hand in hand.

      But it sure doesn’t help the MAGA cause when yokels still talking about the Bill Gates microchip and shit. You guys need to be sound checking your own.

      1. Ironicly before Trump started touting covid vaccines it was the left that was most likely anti vaccine. True story

        1. Two years ago being antivaxx was an exclusively left idea.

          Protein vaccines have an almost two-hundred-year history of efficacy, relative safety, and reliability. Opposition was ridiculous.

          But this is pretty much the first time in human history a major mRNA vaccine has been launched, and launched without testing no less.
          The technology is radically different in the way it works from a protein vaccine.
          Virtually everyone who gets them experiences some level of inflammation. There’s legitimate concern that the spiked proteins may be also acting as prions, and one of the inventors of the mRNA vaccination process is warning people about giving the vaccine to children.

          You can’t pretend that opposition to traditional vaccines and mRNA ones are the same thing.

          1. mRNA has been tested for years, on mice, very sucessefully just like all other forms of vaccines.

            1. 1. Because we all know how well research on mice applies to large primates. Less than 1 instance in a hundred, but that’s much better than fruit flies.

              2. By years you’re implying decades of animal testing but in actuality it was less than five.

              3. The animal testing was the opposite of successful. https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/

          2. Not so. Alex Jones was anti-vaxxer for years before. Nevertheless, anti-vaxxing is one of those horseshoe ideas where the Far Left and the Far Right go so far out, they meet.

        2. Yes, a true story. Gavin Newsom vowed to do his own testing before approving any FDA vaccine. He caved though, fortunately.

          And anti-vaxx in particular used to be a very coastal affluent progressive thing. But before two years ago it did catch on with the the lower Weekly World News reading classes. There is a segment on the right side of a spectrum that refuses to let a good conspiracy theory go to waste. So what was once a Santa Monica exclusive nuttery, jumped the mountains and got lodged in Bakersfield. Which is sort of Right Wing Conspiracy central. I grew up in the general area, and it’s true. So many UFO nuts, goldbug nuts, flouride nuts, free energy nuts, etc. It’s been called Nashville West, but it could also be called Florida West, as it has it own brand of Florida Man. And from there is spread to the rest of the Right.

          p.s. No insult to Bakersfuddlians intended. I love my Buck Owens.

          1. Do you understand the difference between every single previous protein vaccine in history, and these brand new mRNA ones?

            1. No, brandy is a trust fund leach who thinks that somehow means he’s an intellectual

      2. Try to not be so concerned about what other people think.

        1. But the essence of progressive politics is fixation on what other people think.

      3. I’ll see your MAGA yokel worried about microchips, and raise you a black high school dropout ranting about white conspiracies.

        1. Or the average NFL player.

  28. “Meanwhile, the United States faces a backlog of more than 1 million skilled immigrants who would like to live and work here, but can’t because the government makes it too difficult to get a visa.”

    Hmm, an excess of demand? If there only was a way to deal with this that could also boost supply.

    1. “Jobs Americans won’t do” is more than just picking tomatoes and mowing lawns. It also includes less glamorous jobs that recent college grads overlook as being beneath them. They would rather work at shiny web startup making a shiny yet brain numbing web design, rather than a stodgy and boring tech company long past its stock option days.

      I work at a stodgy and boring tech company. Give me a line of citizens ready to work and I’ll hire them. So I have to hire Indians and Chinese. Recent immigrants who aren’t too proud not to work at a stodgy and boring tech company.

      1. “and I’ll hire them”

        LOL

        1. Like she has any decision making capacity.

          1. Not even employable in a necessary role

      2. “Jobs Americans can’t do for below minimum wage”

        I fixed that for you.

        We both know that the issue isn’t legal immigrants, they’re either Americans now or on the path to citizenship. Nobody has a problem with legal immigration, that’s just a deliberate misrepresentation slavers use when demagoging.

        So are your “Indians and Chinese” legal immigrants or illegal aliens? And if it’s the latter, what are you paying them and how?

        1. They could be visa slaves.

        2. > Nobody has a problem with legal immigration

          Except for the past four years when restrictions on legal immigration constantly being advocated. (They still are, different parties, same story).

          1. Please point to the politician who was advocating curtailing general legal immigration.
            Don’t be weasely about this, Brandybuck.

      3. Jobs Americans won’t do is just an idiotic defense of welfare. Hunger ends pride quickly

        1. My vet has said that a picky-eating dog will not allow itself to starve. Maybe snowflakes aren’t as smart as a dog.

      4. Lol you’re talking paying a college grad 12 bucks an hour to do a job that requires no education and limited training. Yeah, most Americans are going to hard pass on that. I bet you could find Americans without a college degree to plug peripherals into computers for 10/hr.

  29. Don’t like the lockdowns? Don’t like the masks? Don’t like the stupid pandemic state?

    THEN GET YOURSELF VACCINATED!

    Jeepers cripes people, this isn’t rocket science. That anti-vaxxing is the hill you’ve chosen to die on is just so pathetic. So many better causes to fight for.

    1. The government is the one causing lockdowns and mask mandates, not people who refuse to get vaccinated from the swine flu.

    2. Appeasement is totes how to stop aggression, as shown by history and basic human psychology!

      Everyone knows the best way to deal with bullies is to give in the their every demand!

      1. And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
        And the people who ask it explain
        That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
        And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

    3. Don’t like the lockdowns? Don’t like the masks? Don’t like the stupid pandemic state?

      THEN START PUSHING THE FUCK BACK. The virus has been dealt with. This is about government overreach.

        1. 259 cases? Wow! That could shut the whole system down! How many of them were voluntarily unvaccinated?

          Stupid fuck.

          1. If there was only 130 cases, that means CASES HAVE DOUBLED!!!!

    4. Unfortunately the #resist crowd created a monster it couldn’t anticipate or see coming 4 years down the road. Brandy it may have been different and many of us wish it so, but the Tony’s and Queen A’s of the world can’t admit their parts in this outcome.

      1. Only Democrats have agency!

        1. Soon. Not quite yet, but they’re working on it.

    5. Yeah, that trivial, meaningless hill where some people, who reject the idea that government should (1) determine what is good for everybody and (2) demand compliance with force, have gathered. No sense fighting for that hill, when more important issues loom, like what color uniforms we will have to wear when we attend mandatory political education classes.

      1. No one is demanding vaccinations by force. Good story, but it’s fiction. When I tell you to go get vaccinated, I am NOT holding a gun to your head.

        We are not going to get past this pandemic until we reach herd immunity. And a hell of a lot fewer people will die if we get there through vaccinations, rather than a huge swath of MAGA hats choosing to let everyone get infected instead.

        Jeepers Cripes, even Trump got vaccinated. Don’t act like it’s anti Trump when even Trump got his shots. Sheesh.

        1. You’re not wearing the boot, you’re just licking it and talking about how great it tastes

        2. You’re the only one talking about trump.

        3. Trump was awfully furtive about getting vaccinated, though. Bet a lot of Trump fans don’t believe he was vaccinated.

          1. Trump also had natural immunity from being infected, but white Mike here is a devout follower of the leftist faith which has decided evolutionary biology isn’t real anymore

    6. Don’t like the lockdowns? Don’t like the masks? Don’t like the stupid pandemic state?

      THEN GET YOURSELF VACCINATED!

      These vaccines have not been approved by the FDA. Not a single one.

      1. These vaccines have not been approved by the FDA.

        Any libertarian offering this as an rationalization ought to be ashamed of himself.

        1. Only as a personal rationalization. It seems a perfectly fine argument for other folks’ individual right to chose. I am not certain I would use it, but I think I can understand why people would wait for the FDA approval.

          1. Almost no one is waiting for FDA approval. That is just a cover. They will find another excuse when the FDA gives approval.

            1. As is their right.

        2. True, but not nearly as ashamed of themselves as anybody advocating the “our best way to get past irrational totalitarian denial of freedom is to get the vax” position

      2. Since when do you follow the FDA?

  30. Many people are turning down Covid vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election

    What, like, “If the vaccine is so good, why didn’t it get you re-elected?” I skimmed the Politico piece and never came across the explanation for that subheadline, but also nothing in the body of the article that justified it at all, so fake subhead.

    1. “Many people are turning down Covid vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election”

      Many people use weasel words like “many people”, when they want to be vague about a biased claim–because they can’t document it.

      1. Someone should link this for Politico:

        “A weasel word, or anonymous authority, is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. Examples include the phrases “some people say”, “most people think”, and “researchers believe.” Using weasel words may allow one to later deny any specific meaning if the statement is challenged, because the statement was never specific in the first place. Weasel words can be a form of tergiversation and may be used in advertising, conspiracy theories and political statements to mislead or disguise a biased view.”

        —-Weasel Word

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

        1. They know what they’re doing. I’m sure it’s part of their style guide.

      2. This.

      3. “many people” is code for a guy on twitter

          1. The “Theys” in They Live have always been the “They” in “That’s what “they say!”

    2. “In Alabama—which has the country’s lowest vaccination totals and (not coincidentally) relatively high numbers of COVID-19 hospitalizations recently—and in Louisiana, where case counts are approaching levels not seen since the winter, public health officials are running out of ideas for how to encourage the vaccine-hesitant.”

      It might be noted that the Tuskegee Syphilis Study was carried out by the CDC in Alabama, in which they left hundreds of sharecropper males suffer with syphilis over a period of decades (more than a hundred died), dozens, infected their wives–and ultimately children were born with perfectly preventable congenital syphilis.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

      There are people in Alabama who have valid historical reasons to be suspicious of the CDC.

      1. Come on Ken, they are all historically ignorant rubes who’ve never heard of that.

  31. “It is really a pandemic among the unvaccinated. So, this is an issue predominantly among the unvaccinated, which is the reason why we’re out there practically pleading with the unvaccinated people to go out there and get vaccinated,” Fauci said.”

    Regardless of whether you think Fauci should lose the confidence of a significant portion of the American people, the fact is that he’s lost it. If one of the essential functions of being the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) is giving the American people a credible voice, Fauci no longer has that, and he should be fired for that reason alone.

    For plenty of Americans, at this point, turning to Dr. Fauci for credible advice on whether to get vaccinated is like going to O.J. Simpson for marriage counseling, asking Bernie Madoff for investment advice, or hiring Harvey Weinstein to write your company’s policy manual on sexual harassment. His job is to explain policy to people who don’t understand the appeal to authority fallacy, and why should they believe him?

    1. There’s a fantastic pitcher for the Dodgers who has been accused of assaulting a woman in his home. She apparently has x-rays showing a fractured skull, pictures from the hospital showing her with black eyes, bruises on other parts of her body, as well. The Dodger’s pitcher doesn’t appear to be denying her injuries or that he caused them. His defense is that it was all consensual. Maybe he’s technically innocent, but that defense doesn’t really do much to rescue his viability as a representative of the Dodgers organization.

      Although this pitcher hasn’t been indicted yet, if and when he’s indicted and convicted, having someone who assaulted a woman like that is not a good look for the Dodgers–especially if they kept putting him in games, having the crowd cheer for him, kept selling merchandise with his name on it through their store, etc. That’s no way to sell tickets and get fans excited about rooting for the Dodgers. So, they put him on leave pending the charges, pulled his merch from their stores, and they cancelled his bobblehead day.

      My guess is that whatever contracts he would have had with advertisers to endorse their products, they’re probably not lining up to get him to endorse their products in the future like they did before. The same thing happened with Michael Vick after people heard about him hosting dog fighting on his property. Once you lose your credibility with a fat chunk of the American people, rational people don’t use you to sell their ideas to the American people anymore.

      So, why is Dr. Fauci still the director of the NIAID? He’s lost his credibility with the people who are supposed to find him credible. Maybe that isn’t fair, but so what? His job is to be credible with the American people, and he isn’t.

      1. Nah, his job is to shovel bullshit into the mouths of Americans. Looking at it that way, there’s a reason why he’s the highest paid government employee.

    2. “Look, the job of the greeter is to present the first face representing the company to the public. The fact that I keep running up and shitting on her desk is not important, what’s important is that many people coming in the door seeing that shit can’t take her or the company seriously now. It’s time for her to step aside!”

      1. If Dr. Fauci can’t do his job anymore, it really doesn’t matter why. We’re not talking about discriminating against him because of his creed, color, national origin, sex, orientation, or because he’s physically challenged in some way. I’m not saying he should be denied his pension at this point. If he were a fighter pilot who went blind, he shouldn’t be a fighter pilot anymore–and it really doesn’t matter why the fighter pilot is blind. Fauci’s job is to be a credible voice to the Americans people, and his credibility is shot. Time to find someone else to do the job.

        1. You’re essentially championing a ‘heckler’s veto.’

          1. A heckler’s veto is an infringement on free speech.

            Dr. Fauci doesn’t have a right to be the Director of the NIAID.

            You see the difference, right?

            1. No, I guarantee QA does NOT see the difference. I’ll bet you missed his/her mental gymnastics defending CRT.

          2. You might want to see the word ‘essentially’ and address my analogy.

            1. You might not hope some adverb turns a verb into its opposite.

            2. The analogy was addressed, and the word “essentially” changes nothing.

              No one’s rights are being violated if Fauci is being dismissed because he’s lost the confidence of the American people–and that’s regardless of why.

              If you don’t understand the difference between violating someone’s rights and not violating someone’s rights, it’s probably because you don’t want to understand.

              Your analogy doesn’t stand up. Not violating someone’s rights is not analogous to violating someone’s rights.

              Even worse, you’re essentially comparing democracy itself to the heckler’s veto. How embarrassing for you!

              If you don’t think bureaucrats should be removed by elected politicians for losing the confidence of the American people, do you think politicians shouldn’t leave office for losing an election, too? Supervising bureaucrats is part of an elected leader’s job, isn’t it?

              1. Sigh.

                I’m not talking about rights.

                Address my analogy dude. It’s been there, the main point, for the start of the discussion.

                1. Told ya, Ken.
                  Add QA to the Tony/turd/jeff list of those not mentally equipped to know when they are spouting fantasies.

                2. I’m not talking about rights.

                  The reason you’re not talking about rights is because talking about rights shows not only that you’re wrong but why.

                  *sigh*

                  If talking about rights shows why you’re wrong, not talking about them certainly doesn’t make you right.

                  Are you still in high school? Because I’m not about being mean to a little girl in high school. But in the kindest possible terms, the things you’re saying are worthy of ridicule. You can only say ridiculous things so many times before people start treating you as ridiculous.

                3. If you’re not talking about rights, then why did you bring up the heckler’s veto?

          3. It is called optics.

  32. ‘Sellout’: Ron DeSantis Accused of Taking ‘Bribe’ by Conservatives After Promoting Vaccine

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ recent push of the coronavirus vaccine has provoked Republican ire, with some even accusing the GOP governor of taking bribes. Their pushback indicates the difficulties facing conservative leaders who have pivoted their messaging after months of vaccine disinformation by right-wing outlets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sellout-ron-desantis-accused-of-taking-bribe-by-conservatives-after-promoting-vaccine/ar-AAMwAEj?li=BBnb7Kz

    there will never be another conservative as pure as Trump

    1. DeSantis could, via hard work and competence, enact 100 Trumpian policies and make them stick, but in 2024 Trump could decide to enter the race at the last minute, shit in his hand on stage and call it ‘Libs’ and walk off and he’d win the nomination over Desantis (lots of people here would rush to vote for him).

      1. None of which affects those TDA-addled pieces of shit like you.

        1. Projection is a hell of a drug.

          1. Obviously; look what it’s done to you, TDS addled asshole!

            1. Hm, and you’ve offered no point at all in all this, just a cult of personality ‘Love Trump!’ kind of comments.

              Who is Trump deranged?

              1. Trump isn’t deranged, that’s you and Biden.

              2. “IT’S A CULT”

              3. “you’ve offered no point at all in all this”

                You just used Trump shitting in his hand as a point.

    2. Ah the fake news is powerful stuff. They are really ramping up the bullshit machine to go after whoever runs. Mass media is corrupt and treasonous, but buttplug will believe anything.

    3. #DeathSantis is literally the worst governor in America. By every relevant metric — total deaths, deaths per capita, you name it — Florida has been a disaster compared to Andrew Cuomo’s New York.

      1. Cuomo was so good to the elderly in the crisis.

        1. They didn’t have to suffer through the lockdowns.

          1. I know right! What a kind and gentle soul.

            1. And a big boost to Social Security solvency!

        2. Many are no longer being required to wear a mask.

    4. “Conservatives” remaining undefined. DeSantis is pushing the vaccines that were fast-tracked by Trump? No wonder his supporters are going after him.

    5. “with some”

      Well I’m convinced.

  33. even though vaccination is the actually effective way to combat “‘

    No natural selection( catching the virus) is also a choice since catching it is often un noticeable. and anyone worried about catching it can get the virus and lave the rest alone

    1. From what we observed for the past sixteen months, youth is also a defense against COVID-19.

      1. Youth is a part of the natural selection. the youth do catch it they just rarely affected by it

  34. It is awesome to live in a place where there will be no mask mandates, and you get to choose how to live and what to do to protect yourself. No democrats running things, no CRT, no piss ant little moronic lefties. Glorious.

    1. Temporary use of masks! What a horrible affront to freedom! Thank God I’m free of such Tyranny!

      Someone is a little piss ant…

      1. This from a knee-walking, boot-licking pile of lefty shit.

        1. Lol, this guy afraid of a shot is crazy brave!

          1. “Lol”?
            Fuck off, adolescent pile of lefty shit.

            1. Don’t be afraid of shots, as I tell my child daughter ‘it’s just a slight pain, over in a second.’ Grit your teeth Sevo and you can bear it!

              1. Why do lefty shit piles assume they know what others do? I guess their stupidity is not confined to politics alone.

              2. You know he’s mentioned before he got the shot. I’m not sure what your trying to project of him

      2. It is a horrible affront to freedom. And when “temporary” becomes a full fucking year, with officials reserving the power to reimpose it at any time, yeah, that’s tyranny.

        1. Temporary wearing of a mask…is a…horrible affront to freedom?

          Do you want to start a revolution over the tyranny of…having to stand in line?

          I know lots of people who lived in actual tyranny and then moved here. Jesus you’re insulting them.

          1. Don’t be afraid of a shot

          2. Tyranny has a specific technical meaning. And it comes in degrees.

            Claiming the power to indefinitely lock people in their homes and to force them to cover their faces is absolutely tyranny in an ostensively free country.

          3. Tyranny is tyranny is tyranny, and even if you only have just a little, it soon grows and takes over the place.

            Serious question. Why is a person with your beliefs even frequenting an ostensibly libertarian website?
            I don’t go troll Jacobin and Salon, so why are you here?

            1. Because Jacob gets paid to increase clicks?

      3. Why does it bother you so much that other people have freedom?

        1. I love freedom. Baby men who invoke it, not so much.

          1. OK, so you don’t, then.

          2. Lefty pile of shit defines “freedom” as “following detailed instructions from politicians”.

            1. Libertarianism, for people like Queen Anathema, is solely about legitimizing sodomy, weed and baby killing.
              The whole free speech and free minds thing can go hang as far as they’re concerned.

          3. So it’s the “other people” part you don’t like, got it.

            Tell you what, you can keep all the boots on faces to yourself, no one else gets to enjoy those. Deal?

          4. Freedom for me, but not for thee.

            —Queen Amalthea

            1. Freedom for me, but not for thee.

              Or Freedom for thee, defined by me.

              —Queen Amalthea

      4. Nothing is more permanent than something government calls temporary.

        1. Yup. And that’s why this has all bothered and distressed me so much from the beginning. Once government has a new trick in its toolkit, it never really goes away. Now that they know they can get away with some pretty extreme shit in the name of public health, it will always be considered an option unless people really get fed up and revolt.

          1. Don’tworry queen calls this Freedom zeb.

          2. As a general rule throughout history, the notable exception being the American Revolution, people with full bellies don’t revolt.

            1. I don’t mean full on overthrow of the government. More like people just stopping complying en masse. But I kind of expected that to happen last summer and it didn’t so who knows what it would take.

              1. We do need a Twisted Sister moment.

      5. @Queen A: So, if its shown that with or without masks, the rate of infection was “essentially” (sorry, cannot help using your fav word) the same at the macroscopic level, then, would you agree it was an arbitrary overreach by govt officials to mandate it?

        Because, the data shows exactly this, no? I will take the time to cite IF you truly want to get into a nuanced discussion but I recall ALL the curves (by cities worldwide, by states, by countries) all looked identical and all did things differently, including no masks or lockdowns..

  35. “U.S. officials say COVID travel restrictions will remain in place for now”

    Of course. Every junta restricts travel after a coup. Don’t expect to ever be able to normal.

  36. “…The Senate could open debate today on a roughly $1 trillion infrastructure bill after Republicans scuttled a vote on the bill last week…”

    Was it sarc or jeff who assured us this was bi-partisan? I know it was Brandy/turd (hard to tell them apart) who tells us there’s no difference between the Rs and Ds

  37. Initial findings are out for the Arizona audit.

    11,326 people who voted were not on the 11/7 voter rolls but were somehow listed in the 12/4 database
    3,981 people who voted on Election Day were registered after 10/15, which is a violation of Arizona state law
    ~18,000 people voted on Election Day but were subsequently removed from the rolls
    74,243 mail-in ballots were counted with no clear record of having been mailed out in the first place

    One of the biggest problems for the 2020 elections was the fact nobody knew how many voters there were or how many voted on election night. The first step to an auditable election is knowing the true number of votes prior to counting so a simple check can be done.

    Maricopa has been shown to have significant excess votes, votes above average on any normal election are growth. One of the reasons this may be is:

    In order to make it work, a bad actor or actors would have accessed the Arizona’s Voted File to determine how many votes were not cast by the time the polls closed on November 3rd. Once … the total number of eligible non-voters in each county [was determined], a lesser number of Biden votes could be electronically shifted to that county in the Election Management System. After that occurred, the voters would be designated as [having] voted in the Voted File.

    This isnwhy vote irregularities need to be investigated.

    The link also contains a response back to the Maricopa counties protestations of the initial audit:

    CNN’s “expert source” Garrett Archer didn’t source his data; he claimed the file was provided by “some friends of mine”
    When pushed to cite the files he used, Archer claimed to have used the EV32 (requests for ballots) and EV33 (returned ballots) files. However, Maricopa County election officials stated that the “Voted File” is the correct source for analysis. In short, Archer used the wrong file!
    Without access to the actual server log, it is impossible to ascertain whether the Voted File has been completely secure since Election Day. “[I]f the Voted File was not secure, an individual could have accessed it immediately after the Cyber Ninjas announced the vote discrepancy and changed the numbers.”
    Blehar further explains the importance of gaining access to the server logs: “[T]he Cyber Ninjas want to know specifically if there is a one-to-one match between the absentee/early ballot it examined and if there is a REQUEST for that ballot in the Voted File. Gross numbers of ballots requested and returned – that Maricopa County cited in response to Logan – don’t answer that question.” [Note: Archer blithely ignored that key fact in his “analysis”!]
    There should have been daily figures available of returned vs. requested ballots in the days leading up to and after the election, but Maricopa County has never provided any of those numbers to the public. [Why?]
    “Arizona, through its contractor, dataorbital.com, never publicly posted the ballots requested and returned from each county” in the state. [Again, why?] A possible answer: These data could be used to distribute the excess votes from Maricopa County. As previously detailed in this article, there were ~120,000 excess votes for Biden counted on Election Day night in Maricopa than his final tabulation. Those excess votes were almost certainly distributed to other counties. The router logs must be examined to determine what happened, which is likely among the reasons why Maricopa County is refusing to provide them to the auditors. One of the other reasons is there were 37,000 queries to the election system on 11 March.

    https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/07/26/2020-election-another-look-at-arizona-election-numbers-n416274

    One has to question why there is a multi tens of millions dollar effort by democrats to stop any and all audits.

    1. Maricopa has been shown to have significant excess votes, votes above average on any normal election

      Hey, we’re 11,000 votes over our average! Let’s find 11,000 Biden votes to remove.

      1. But nobody’s said that, and 11,000 votes in a single county is huge. I can smell the stench of guilt on you from here.

        1. It’s funny how all those who question the audits always imply the votes could have gone to Trump as easily as to Biden, but the reality is that is never the case. They always are shuttled to Biden.

  38. Of course Pelosi wants a un-biased, by-partisan investigation of the Jan 6 protest at the capital where an un-armed protester was shot and killed by a cop, right?

    “Pelosi Adds Anti-Trump Republican to Jan. 6 Committee”
    […]
    “Kinzinger served as one of 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach then-President Donald Trump following the U.S. Capitol incursion.
    He is also the second Republican to join Pelosi’s committee, alongside Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney. Both are outspoken Trump opponents….”
    https://www.westernjournal.com/pelosi-adds-anti-trump-republican-jan-6-committee/

    Brandy/turd volunteered but both assholes were seen be Pelosi as not sufficiently TDS-addled.

    1. Pelosi flat out stated the goal of the commision was to get Trump so its not about the Truth its already set to claim guilt by political affiliation

    2. Yeah I live in Kinzinger’s district and there is no way he’ll survive the primary if he even bothers to run. Probably get a job with the Lincoln project.

  39. “”Many people here and elsewhere in the Southeast are turning down Covid-19 vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election and sick of Democrats in Washington thinking they know what’s best.”

    Is this any surprise? They think Trump deserves all the praise for the rapid development of it but also won’t take it.

    In any case, masks aren’t the answer. The real answer is to get it EUA for kids. Then we can really stop caring. Anybody coming into the ICU can be de-prioritized if they didn’t get the vaccine compared to someone else in there who took the time to do the right thing.

    Or we can say if you’re afraid of the shot, stay home. We don’t let drunk drivers go all over the road- I fail to see why we’re letting people go around spreading a deadly virus.

    1. Forgot to mention that the Democrats in Washington actually do know best as far as this is concerned. Amazing what having a political sports team can do to dumb the masses.

      1. You are sick.

      2. Funny how their public health prescriptions dramatically failed in two pandemics 100 years apart.

      3. >>the Democrats in Washington actually do know best

        lol. you funny.

    2. “”Many people here and elsewhere in the Southeast are turning down Covid-19 vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election and sick of Democrats in Washington thinking they know what’s best.”

      Is this any surprise? They think Trump deserves all the praise for the rapid development of it but also won’t take it.”

      What’s not at all surprising is a TDS-addled asshole like you quoting an opinion piece as if it had anything to do with facts.

    3. Let’s see. What’s the standard reply to a post like this? Oh yeah.

      Fuck off, slaver.

      1. Fuck off, asshole.

        1. Well, he’s right this time.

          Or was sarcasmic being sarcastic?

          1. Did you see a bunch of exclamation points? No? Then sarcasmic wasn’t having a sargasm.

            1. Fuck off, asshole.

    4. We have always allowed people to go around spreading deadly viruses.

    5. Pushing an experimental drug to a population that has no benefit to gain from it is unethical and sick.

    6. “Anybody coming into the ICU can be de-prioritized if they didn’t get the vaccine compared to someone else in there who took the time to do the right thing.”

      Just like with income and wealth, right? Anybody who refused to learn skills, buckle down, and get a job should be de-prioritized when it comes to material benefits compared to those that did the right thing.

      1. NOW they are on board with the personal responsibility argument.

        No surprise they are down for it when they can try and wield totalitarian power over someone.

    7. If we stopped treating stuff that people basically cause by their own behavior, we wouldn’t be treating a whole lot of stuff.

      Most of the patients we had in the ER last weekend were obese, diabetic (DM2), smokers, drinkers, IV drug users. Why should we treat any of them? They did it to themselves

      And this isnt counting all the hoodrats shooting each other every weekend playing gang banger.

    8. So you’re advocating denying life-saving care to sick people because you don’t like their choices?

      You realize that a very lage share of invaccinated people are POC’s, right?

      You’re advocating denying lifesaving care to black and brown people. You racist fuck.

      1. Shitlunches is a leftist. Of course he’s racist.

    9. “Or we can say if you’re afraid of the shot, stay home.”

      Or we can say if you are afraid of being alive in a world where a virus that has <<1% chance of killing you if you get it (BEFORE vaccine) then you can stay the fuck home.

      YOUR comfort is not the responsibility of the rest of society. YOUR wellbeing is YOUR fucking problem. If you want to stay inside wrapped up in your blankie, good on ya. But kindly fuck off about what the rest of us can do.

      Its more clear every day that these fuckers want to live in a commie country where the gov can run the lives of everyone.

  40. we may be on the cusp of yet another frustrating reversal in the official guidance

    And just wait ’til the 2022 and 2024 elections!

  41. What if we gave a pandemic, and no-one died? (At least not more deaths than other minor causes that people and media don’t care about.)

  42. Why Is The CDC Quietly Abandoning The PCR Test For COVID?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-cdc-quietly-abandoning-pcr-test-covid

    1. They need to push case counts down in 2022, so they can use it as a talking point for the mid-terms. And they need to do it quietly so it doesn’t look like the PCR testing artificially inflated case counts for political reasons.

    2. The same reason that hospital capacity is always reported as total capacity and not capacity of Covid patients to total patients. Oh, and percentages over actual numbers to jack up the fear.

  43. Many people here and elsewhere in the Southeast are turning down Covid-19 vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election

    And I’m sure you care very deeply about these people. If you’re vaccinated, why do you care whether or not a bunch of retarded inbred hick morons are vaccinated as well? Is it because you can’t stand the thought of people not doing as they’re told when you’re the one doing the telling? Does it make you stamp your feet and cry your little spoiled-brat tears when people won’t do what you tell them to do – especially when it’s people obviously so inferior to yourself that they have no business refusing to listen to you?

    1. They care because TDS articles get clicks.

  44. ‘But, of course, Adam Smith and John Locke didn’t have to deal with Twitter.’ Hobbes, I suspect, would have understood twitter all too well.

    1. Gerbbels would love Twitter, and not just because it’s a bunch of proggies saying hitler was right

  45. ROFLMAO:

    “COVID-19 warning signs posted at the entrance to businesses have become more commonplace than the classic “no shoes, no shirt, no service” declaration. Could “no vax, no service” posters be next?

    On Wednesday, East Atlanta restaurant and bar Argosy announced that it would begin requiring guests to be vaccinated. Argosy’s new rules come amid a surge in new coronavirus infections in Georgia and across the nation, overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated….

    The decision came after four Argosy employees — co-owner Armando Celentano and three bartenders — recently tested positive for COVID-19. Each had been vaccinated, marking them as “breakthrough” cases. Celentano was tested after feeling ill. His positive result prompted a round of companywide testing. “We think we were exposed at different times to unvaccinated people,” he said.”

    No, dipshits–you thought the vaccines provided sterilizing immunity, like smallpox or polio, when it was made pretty clear from the beginning that they primarily mitigate symptoms if you do catch it.

    1. Be a shame if that place was mostly peacefully fire-bombed

      1. Love Nardz. Not hate.

        1. asshole flag

    2. Saying I’d stab you in the temple and the stuff about your son was crossing a line and I apologize.

      I also apologize for calling you a traitor. People shouldn’t be at each others throats over politics.

      I still know 99% of Mormons are bad people, but badgering folks on here won’t change their minds.

      Hopefully they’ll see for themselves what garbage human beings Mormons are.

      1. asshole flag

      2. Looks like KAR has entered a 12-step program. Good for you buddy!

        1. Good one! You have me confused with Sevo. He’s the senile 12 stepper round these parts.

        2. Mormons are so dangerous because they’re so set in their ways and believing they’re right. Despite what they believing being nonsense. That’s why they feel it’s ok to force their religion and lifestyle on others. They “know” what’s best for everyone else.

          I’m a live and let live kinda guy. If they wanna believe a bunch of discredited nonsense that’s fine. However the way they think it’s ok to force it on everyone is wrong. Most will never realize they’re in the wrong. That’s why it’s ok to kill them.

          I’m not advocating violence, but that sandstorm that killed 7 people in rural Utah was a good thing if the victims were all Mormon. Hopefully they were, but 15 gets a lot of out of state traffic.

          1. the way they think it’s ok to force it on everyone is wrong

            That is some mighty fine projection you got going there. Someone tries to invite you to a party, and you act like they are secret police trying to lure you to a re-education camp.

            And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

            1. It’s not projection. Almost everyone I encountered was like that. They’re terrible people

              1. They’re terrible people

                P R O J E C T I O N

      3. +1 reverse sociology.

    3. They got the vaccine and got the coof, but assume the people that gave them the coof didn’t get the vaccine because why?

  46. The United Kingdom is easing immigration rules to allow some college graduates to move there without a job offer in hand. The change is intended to create more flexibility for “high potential” individuals to live and work in the U.K., making the country a more attractive destination for skilled immigrants.

    Now this is something I support.

    1. With caveats and an eye to the problems it might cause, I should add.

    2. The UK is suffering a severe shortage of truck bombers and scimitar swingers.

  47. >>Even Though Vaccination Is Key

    sure about that, or are you parroting again?

  48. Shorter version: masks still don’t work, but we need to look like we’re doing something.

    1. Shorter version: we are incapable of rational thought.

  49. And, like last year, cases are spreading in the “rural South” again because it’s getting warmer and people are running the AC. Just like cases spread in the “cosmopolitan Northeast” when it gets cold and people run the heat.

    1. Yeah, are people still ignoring the seasonality of the virus?
      It is also worth noting that the decline in cases/deaths looks almost exactly the same this year as it did last year going into summer. I have no doubt that vaccines are working and reducing mortality. But the season is still a big factor. Are people going to act all surprised and shit their pants when there’s another “wave” next winter?

  50. FBI Using the Same Fear Tactic From the First War on Terror: Orchestrating its Own Terrorism Plots
    Questioning the FBI’s role in 1/6 was maligned by corporate media as deranged. But only ignorance about the FBI or a desire to deceive could produce such a reaction.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/fbi-using-the-same-fear-tactic-from?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMzQ4OTgsInBvc3RfaWQiOjM5MDIxODgzLCJfIjoiQVRBc1MiLCJpYXQiOjE2MjcxNDQzNDcsImV4cCI6MTYyNzE0Nzk0NywiaXNzIjoicHViLTEyODY2MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.e9ku1dufQw_QtSv9lcdjdh2nftQtKlfrrpvgLjKu–o

  51. FYI, sore throat, low energy today. Might get a COVID test. Won’t that be a kick in the pants if I have it after being vaccinated.

    1. Sorry to hear and hopefully not.

    2. I know two doctors who went and got tested after they got vaccinated so you’d be in the company of medical experts.

    3. I’ve noticed people seem to be getting regular colds again. Seems to be a pretty nasty one going around here.

    4. geez eat some soup and oranges and feel better.

      1. Hops and barley always work for me.

    5. Hopefully just the typical summer cold. Remember, PCR tests have a high false positive rate, and the vaccination may impact this. I don’t recall how long after, or if there is a specific amount of time post 2nd jab, that the vaccine will trigger the PCR.

    6. I woke up the other day with a really sore throat. Popped a Claritin, snorted some Flonase, and I was good to go. Point being it be allergies.

      1. *could be*

      2. The smoky air lately isn’t helping either.

    7. I may or may not have had covid in January or early February 2020. Lasted 2 days. Haven’t had so much as even the sniffles in the 18 months since.

    8. heh, it’ll still be fine.

      Vaccinated people don’t get sick. Like hospital sick. It’s mild or completely asymptomatic. Your body will clear it out right away, and you just got your natural booster shot.

      Probably a cold, though. Feel better.

    9. This reminds me of a funny thing my best friend and I had discussed recently: almost everyone we personally know that got the vaccine has come down with covid <1 month afterwards. They were all fine, and I hope you're fine too Paul.

  52. Another political prosecution.

    Thomas Barrack, a Trump ally, released on $250,000,000 bail

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/07/thomas_barrack_a_trump_ally_released_on_250000000_bail.html

    1. I thought we were reforming bail.

      1. Only for violent crime, not for ideological opponents or wrongthink.

    2. That is an insane amount

      1. Perped walked him in handcuffs too. For a FARA charge.

  53. Yawn.

    It’s over.

    Stop fighting the last war and find something more interesting to write about.

  54. Scared shitless totalitarian fucks, we have the same message for you as before:

    If you want the vaccine get it. If you want absolutely zero risk, stay in your house, and shut the fuck up.

    Do what you want with your life, but if you are a worthless pussy that can’t tolerate the risk of walking outside, best stay in your house and fuck off. The rest of society isnt responsible for you having no risk

    1. I’ve started seeing a lot of miserable fucks around here wearing masks again, even outside. These aren’t kids who can’t get the vaccine yet, or older people who may have other health issues, but healthy middle-aged progtards looking to virtue signal. I’ve found the best thing to do is smile at them while they glare back at you-you can tell from their eyes that your pissing them off…

      1. +1. Smiling and saying “Good afternoon” pisses them off SO MUCH

    2. If you remain unvaccinated you are contributing to _other_ people’s risk, by increasing the odds of a new, more deadly variant arising by mutatio within the large unvaccinated population.

      1. “Do what you want with your life, but if you are a worthless pussy that can’t tolerate the risk of walking outside, best stay in your house and fuck off.”

        1. So, I got vaccinated, am not wearing masks anywhere, and am not cowering in my house. How is this not an ideal course for pretty much everyone to take?

          1. Some people dont want a new form of vaccine in their body. People get agency over what they put in themselves.

            They have made the choice that a virus with a <1% mortality rate is fine with them. Life is a risk benefit. People go scuba diving, cycle on dangerous roads, ride motorcycles, drive cars, ride on boats, drink on boats, go out in flu season with no masks, all kinds of stuff. Everything has risks. This is a virus that the vast majority of people will get over, and thats their decision to make. This isnt polio. This isnt ebola. If it was, you can bet people would be willing to pay big bucks and line up around the block for a vaccine.

            Anyone that cant handle this can stay inside so they dont get sick. The rest of us will get on with life

            Also, I got the shot (I work in healthcare, with COVID patients). But I damn well am not going to make others put something in their body they dont want.

            1. I didn’t say anything in favor of forcing anyone to be vaccinated. I’m giving the argument why one should do it voluntarily, for the sake of other people, not yourself.

            2. Even from a purely selfish point of view, it makes no sense to not take advantage of the mRNA vaccines. The risk of harm from the vaccine is less than the risk of harm from COVID-19.

              1. LOL! Everyone point and laugh at MIkey, the science denier.

      2. What happens if you get it after vaccination Mike? Are they part of the problem or are they excused for “doing the best they could” and just having an honest mistake lol.

        1. I’d say I did the best I could at that point.

          By the way, you are presenting the wrong hypothetical to address my point, which would be: what if I get it even though I am vaccinated, and I am the host in whom a deadly, new variant mutates and then spreads to others?

          1. Mike that’s a fair reply – that is what I was getting at though. It’s tough to pose many questions without sounding inflammatory appreciate your response even though I don’t always agree.

            1. Thanks for the civility in conversation.

      3. Remaining unvaccinated has no impact on anyone other than yourself other unvaccinated people, who have chosen to take that risk.

        Stop being such a fucking scold. If you’re concerned about covid cases in Alabama, don’t go there. Leave the people who live there alone to manage their own choices.

  55. Numbers go up in the same time and the same places as last year, and Reason still bleats on about how it’s the rules. Fuck off.

  56. > But, of course, Adam Smith and John Locke didn’t have to deal with Twitter.

    Written in an article chock full of twiiters.

    Seriously, that’s like saying “Drugs are bad, m’kay” while railing a line and packing a bowl. Twitter has made journalists remarkably lazy.

  57. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/25/detroit-police-reform-public-safety-defund-suffolk-poll/8001468002/

    Exclusive poll finds Detroit residents far more worried about public safety than police reform.

    2022 will be a bloodbath for the dems. Everything they are running on is echoed x1000 in the media and rejected by real people. The more they try and shove it down the publics throats, the more people are rejecting them.

    Defund the police is wildly unpopular (esp with people of color that live in bad neighborhoods). Its popular with elite white liberals who want to tell everyone whats good for POC’s

    CRT is wildly unpopular, esp with black people that arent activists or indoctrinators of academia. Its popular with elite white liberals and black activists that are using it as a power grab.

    Leftist siding with Cuban communists over the Cuban people who want civil rights and freedom, is a horrible look for dems. Every time AOC opens her mouth about it more centrist dems are disgusted by the wanna be commies that are taking over team blue.

    Biden is clearly entering further stages of dementia, likely Alzheimer’s. His VP was one of the most unpopular dem primary candidates and was chosen to check a couple “token” boxes.

    They are fucked.

    1. This is the major problem with the Biden admin. They literally have no good ideas, so everything they do turns to shit in the real world. Then they have to lie to us and tell us that it’s really not THAT bad, and if it IS that bad, it’s probably Trump’s fault!

    2. Leftist siding with Cuban communists over the Cuban people who want civil rights and freedom

      That’s why Tony has been popping in everyday to deny that communism exists. Propaganda doesn’t print itself.

      1. Do you think I’m a commie or “Marxist?”

        1. Anyone who places Marxist in scare quotes is probably trying to hide how much they love authoritarianism.

          Have you read Marx? Or have you just read about what a mean girl Joseph McCarthy was?

          1. I have not read many economic books so no I haven’t read Marx.

            You said I was using Marxist tactics once I think.

            I don’t believe in nationalization of industries or public ownership of the means of production for the vast majority of industries.

  58. 47 Nebraska school districts object to sex ed standards
    https://rivercountry.newschannelnebraska.com/story/44371951/47-nebraska-school-districts-object-to-sex-ed-standards

    Under the proposed standards, kindergartners would learn about different kinds of family structures, including same-gender families. First-graders would be taught about gender identity and gender stereotypes.
    Sixth graders would learn about a range of identities related to sexual orientation, including heterosexual, bisexual, lesbian, gay, queer, two-spirit, asexual and pansexual. They would be taught the differences between cisgender, transgender, gender non-binary, gender expansive and gender identity.
    The proposal has faced strong opposition from Republican Gov. Pete Ricketts, who has no direct influence over the state board, and large crowds have attended state education board meetings.
    State Education Commissioner Matt Blomstedt told school districts in a letter earlier this month that there would be changes in the second draft of the standards. He said that next draft will remove many of the explicit examples and make clear that discussions of sensitive health-related topics should be “thoughtfully conducted with parental input at a local level.”

    1. It’s all okay as long as the remove those racist reading and math requirements

    2. There’s worse places they could learn about it.

      “She-males she-males down by the asshole shore” is not as educational as I thought when I found a copy in an alley.

    3. Jeff says this stuff is only taught as theory in graduate level college courses

  59. Three out of four Americans were unvaccinated against the swine flu, risking a mutation to a deadly variant.

    Were you one of them?

    1. Seems to me that more widespread vaccination would be what would cause a new variant to become dominant. I very much doubt that it is a coincidence that the Delta/Indian variant became so dominant at the same time as tons of people were getting vaccinated.
      This is not an argument against vaccines. People should get it if they want it and so far it seems to be a very good thing. But I’m not so sure that such a rapid roll-out with such heavy pressure to get it was a particularly good idea. I hope it was, because that’s what we have to live with now. But we’ll see.

      1. “Seems to me that more widespread vaccination would be what would cause a new variant to become dominant.”

        By what natural mechanism? More widespread vaccination means fewer bodies hosting the virus, which leads to fewer mutations of the virus, which leads to lower changes of any new variant, dominant or not.

        1. You anti-science nuts…

          Remember the part where all Fauci’s buddies told us that the virus most definitely hopped species and could not possibly have been accidentally released from a lab? That means it could just as easily mutate from humans to another species (if it hasn’t already) and come back and hit us again when it hops back.

          Get used to it. You are not going to get this genie back into the bottle.

        2. There is more to it than the odds of a mutation happening. In this case, the variant already exists, so it’s irrelevant. If vaccination works less well against a variant, then if most people are vaccinated, that variant is likely to become the more prevalent one. It’s not that difficult of a concept.

  60. changes -> chances

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