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Free Speech

Colorado Court Slaps Baker With Fine for Refusing To Make Gender Transition Cake

Plus: Georgia's voting roll purge draws media hype, Florida's drug law hypocrisy, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 6.21.2021 9:40 AM

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Another cake controversy out of Colorado. The baker at the center of a 2018 Supreme Court case concerning religious freedom, same-sex marriage, and civil rights is back in court over his refusal to serve up another cake. This time, the controversial cake was requested by a transgender woman in celebration of her gender transitioning.

Once again, Masterpiece Cakeshop's Jack Phillips said making the requested cake would go against his morals. And, once again, the state isn't having it…potentially setting up another prolonged showdown pitting religious liberty and freedom of expression against the application of statutes aimed at protecting LGBTQ rights.

In the last case—Masterpiece Cakeshop Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission—the Supreme Court ruled 7–2 that Colorado was wrong to fine Phillips for refusing to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. The couple argued that this violated anti-discrimination law. Phillips said it didn't, since he would sell regular baked goods to gay people with no problem—just not a wedding cake, as same-sex marriage was against his religious beliefs. Phillips argued that compelling him to participate in a gay couple's marriage ceremony by baking a cake for the occasion violated his freedom of speech and religious liberty.

While the Court's ruling was a win for Phillips, "the approach the court took guarantees that this debate is far from over," as Reason's Scott Shackford noted back then. "The court did not rule that cake-baking is a protected form of free expression. Instead it said the Colorado Civil Rights Commission (CCRC) showed open hostility to the baker's attempt to assert his religious beliefs as a reason to reject the couple's request, and that the state thus did not neutrally enforce its antidiscrimination law."

This left room for similar litigation going forward—and, indeed, an Oregon case involving similar circumstances came before the Supreme Court the following year. In that case, however, the Court simply ordered Oregon to take another look.

So far, Phillips' latest legal battle has only made it to state court. But it has all the fixings to go bigger.

Last week, Denver District Court Judge A. Bruce Jones ruled that Phillips was violating Colorado anti-discrimination law by refusing to make Autumn Scardina a special cake—blue on the outside and pink on the inside—to commemorate both her birthday and her gender transition. Jones ordered Phillips to pay a $500 fine.

Scardina had commissioned the cake years ago, "on the same day in 2017 that the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would hear Phillips' appeal in the wedding cake case," notes The Washington Post. "Scardina said she wanted to 'challenge the veracity' of Phillips statements that he would serve LGBT customers, but her attempt to get a cake was not a 'set up' intended to file a lawsuit, Jones said."

That last bit rings a little hollow, since Scardina didn't simply order any old cake but a cake celebrating a gender transition, making sure the reason for the cake was known to Phillips. And his position all along has been that he wouldn't deny service of non-message-laden baked goods to LGBTQ customers but that he also wouldn't engage in the expressive process of making special pastries specifically to celebrate ideas or institutions he feels are an affront to his religious values.

There are surely lots of places where Scardina could get her desired cake made without having to hide anything. But clearly, this is about more than just the baking of a single cake, with both sides convinced they are sticking up for something bigger.

"Religious liberty or freedom from discrimination: Advocates on both sides insist the question is simple. In fact, it is very difficult," opines David Von Drehle at the Post:

Two bedrock principles of the Constitution are brought into direct conflict. Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are. This right finds expression in laws requiring businesses and agencies that serve the public to do so without discrimination.

Americans also have a protected freedom of belief and expression. They cannot be compelled by the government to express or reject any religious views or political opinions.

As with last time, however, it seems a bit unfair to describe this as simply the right to religious liberty versus the right not to be denied service based on identity. At the head of these cases is not merely some neutral service but goods expressing particular messages—and a desire to make the government compel them.

Perhaps it would help people distracted by dislike for Phillips' beliefs to keep in mind that a state strong enough to declare that a baker must make a cake with pro-transgender messaging is also one strong enough to declare that a business must make things with anti-transgender messaging. Something tells me that folks cheering on Colorado's claim that it can compel expressive speech via baked goods wouldn't be so happy if bakeries were forced to make requested cakes depicting, say, same-sex couples or trans people burning in hell.

("Underlying this dispute — the really explosive part — is a slippery slope," notes Von Drehle. "It seems monstrous to think that artisans have no control over the expressive content of their creations. Surely a seamstress who willingly provides choir robes and judicial robes should not be compelled to make robes for a Ku Klux Klan rally.")

Fortunately, in a free market, we don't need the government to force either. There is surely no shortage of businesses willing to bake goods with pro-LGBTQ messages (or not to ask further questions if a part pink, part blue cake is requested), and probably at least a few that would be willing to do the opposite for the right price. Meanwhile, there are less coercive means—like boycotts and negative publicity—for people to express displeasure with businesses like Masterpiece Cakeshop.

Despite all this, people are repeatedly trying to get the government to force one particular man known to oppose these messages to violate his beliefs and do so.

Given the circumstances, it seems a lot more like bullying someone over their values and attempting to drive openly religious entrepreneurs out of business for not agreeing with prevailing orthodoxy around sexuality and gender than a principled stand for the material well-being and concerns of marginalized groups. You may not agree with Phillips' beliefs—I don't—but a liberal, pluralistic society requires tolerance for people of different moral beliefs coexisting without using the state to crush dissent out of one another.


FREE MINDS

Today in misplaced media hype:

Once again, a major news outlet's headline omits the rather important detail that *every* state routinely removes moved/inactive voters from their rolls as a best practice of election administration. https://t.co/o0tm1lELFd

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) June 20, 2021


FREE MARKETS

When you legalize drugs without decriminalizing them:

In #Florida, you can legally grow #Marijuana if you have one of the 22 licenses issued by the State.

The last license sold for $60,000,000

If you can't afford that, and grow even one plant, you could spend a long time in jail.

How is this not selling our rights away? /2

— Martha Bueno (@BuenoForMiami) June 21, 2021

In Florida, growing fewer than 25 cannabis plants without a license is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine, according to the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML). And growing more plants than that can mean up to 30 years in prison and a $15,000 fine.


QUICK HITS

• It's a security theater milestone! Sigh…

This August marks the 15th anniversary of TSA banning liquid from carry-on luggage, and I forgot that DHS, at the time, said it would be temporary. In the way that all life on earth is temporary, I guess. pic.twitter.com/tMBdtjAdzR

— David Weigel (@daveweigel) June 19, 2021

• The Department of Justice weighs in on state bans on certain treatments for transgender kids:

DOJ filed two statements of interest today regarding the rights of transgender youths: One in West Virginia involving the rights of a transgender student athlete, the other in Arkansas against the state ban on gender-affirming medical care. pic.twitter.com/VtLtF0Cmd4

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) June 17, 2021

• Good news: The U.S. and the European Union have "hammered out an important agreement to suspend pointless retaliatory tariffs targeting a host of foods."

• On TV, Fox News host Tucker Carlson excoriates the press. In private, he's a chatterbox and "a great source" to journalists in mainstream media.

• President Joe Biden's meeting last week with Russian President Vladimir Putin was "a banal event in the context of past Democratic administrations, but a remarkable one in the context of the world as the liberal Resistance interpreted it from 2016 through 2020," notes Ross Douthat for The New York Times.

• Telemedicine abortion is here to stay, argues Salon.

• In 2018, Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott said family separations were "tragic and heart-rending." In 2021, he's enforcing his own family separation policy.

• "A Southern California sheriff's deputy is under criminal investigation after he was recorded on video kicking a pursuit suspect in the head while the man appeared to be surrendering," the Associated Press reports.

• A new bipartisan bill called the Processing Revival and Intrastate Meat Exemption (PRIME) Act "would remove the requirement that all slaughterhouses be subject to U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) rules and inspections" and allow "states and towns to set their own rules for slaughtering livestock."

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    This time, the controversial cake was requested by a transgender woman in celebration of her gender transitioning.

    You have to eat that cake with a spork.

    1. Anomalous   4 years ago

      A spork is cutlery non-binary.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Thanks for explaining the joke.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

          Well, someone had to.

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      2. spork   4 years ago

        Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
        ---OH LAWD

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Shut up tranny.

      3. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        IIRC, The term "spork" was first used by Rich Hall in his featurette "Snigglets" on the HBO Show Not Necessarily The News..

        1. Apollonius   4 years ago

          You don't RC.

          The word has been around since the 1950s to describe the utensil.

          And there was a memo that circulated among the Star Trek production staff in 1966 that if all Vulcan male names started with S and ended with K, that would lead to a law firm named "Spook, Speek, Spork, Splik and Roddenberry."

        2. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

          Nope. We had sporks in my school cafeteria when I was in 4th grade, and we called them sporks. That was long before SNL was on the air.

          -jcr

        3. Peter Mathewson   4 years ago

          I remember Snigglets fondly....and....that is all.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

      Since it was MTF transition, it would be more appropriate to use chop sticks.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

        I was thinking maybe I should have gone spoon.

    3. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

      Since you can't actually change genders, he should have agreed to bake him an imaginary cake.

      1. Aspiring Statesman   4 years ago

        You *can* change gender (it's merely a function of language). You can even change phenotype sex (surgically replace organic structure).

        What you can't change is genotype, so once XY, always XY.

        Regardless of what can be changed, celebrating it is a message, and it's wrong for the government to force any of us to express messages we don't want to express.

    4. Jim82   4 years ago

      The case of this business is nothing more than pure harassment out of hatred for a religious belief guaranteed by the Constitution.

      The writer is correct. These people are not going to sue a seamstress who refuses to sew a Ku Klux Klan outfit.

      I wish this guy could sue the state of Colorado for damages at the level of $10,000 per registered voter - and win. This business would suddenly stop.

    5. BILKER   4 years ago

      It seems that the cowardly SCOTUS is bending over backwards to kiss the ass of perverts and leaving it open for any and all perverts to attempt to prevent Phillips from operating his business by his beliefs.

  2. Anomalous   4 years ago

    Phillips could have just told them that gender transition cakes are $50,000.

    1. JohannesDinkle   4 years ago

      I would have made the mistake of misidentifying the salt as sugar. I would would give Scardina's money back, of course. And recommend me to all her friends.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        The salt identified as sugar

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          The plaster of paris identified as flour.

          1. JohnZ   4 years ago

            How about car shit in the center..........

            1. JohnZ   4 years ago

              Oops, I meant cat shit, not car shit.

              1. BILKER   4 years ago

                car shit would do

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

        No one is eating the cake. no one even wants the cake.

        1. Stuck in California   4 years ago

          Yeah, everyone knows there's no real reason for this. Well, other than to be a dick.

          The statement about he'll happily serve anyone, he just doesn't want to make art, seems so infinitely reasonable. Especially for someone painted as obstinate. I'm kind of glad he's so stubborn he's willing to waste all the money and energy needed to chase this all the way through the courts.

          1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            Yeah, everyone knows there’s no real reason for this. Well, other than to be a dick.

            And a pussy too. Now, now let's be fair. 🙂

    2. Aspiring Statesman   4 years ago

      Or take the order at 200% normal price and subcontract it to the cake shop across the street (yes, there's a rainbow-happy cake shop right across the street begging for rainbow business!). Indeed, one of the reasons Masterpiece can win so many cases is because all those cakes could be bought *there* but the customers deliberately ordered them *here*.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Once again, Masterpiece Cakeshop's Jack Phillips said making the requested cake would go against his morals.

    I'm beginning to suspect that might just be why it was requested of him in particular.

    1. Anomalous   4 years ago

      Many years ago, I met a Jewish man who was a lawyer for the ACLU. They asked him to defend George Lincoln Rockwell, the head of the American Nazi Party, at trial. He told them that while he sincerely believed that Rockwell was entitled to representation, he wasn't entitled to have it be provided by this particular lawyer.

    2. JFree   4 years ago

      You think? Or was it just completely a coincidence?

      Scardina had commissioned the cake years ago, "on the same day in 2017 that the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would hear Phillips' appeal in the wedding cake case

      1. VinniUSMC   4 years ago

        U.S. Supreme Court announced it would hear Phillips’ appeal

        So, 5 years after Phillips' initial case began is a coincidence?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    ...potentially setting up another prolonged showdown pitting religious liberty and freedom of expression against the application of statutes aimed at protecting LGBTQ rights.

    The former are enshrined specifically to guard against the latter.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

      Protecting LGBTQ rights to slavery.

      1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

        ^^^ THIS

    2. diWhite Knightoxide   4 years ago

      ENB pretending that the Constitution is on equal footing with unconstitutional laws.
      See you next Tuesday, Liz

      1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

        She might be giving the opposing viewpoint there. The rest of the write up is more or less common sense.

    3. Rockstevo   4 years ago

      They are making the wrong argument against the law in my opinion. The question is this: Would a non-gay person who asked to have the cake made and been refused have the same protection under this law? Would they not? If they do, then it is about the message and violates the baker’s first amendment rights and if not then it violates the 14th amendments equal protection clause. Putting the religion argument in the mix is just a distraction.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

        I think this was rejected in the same-sex marriage recognition cases.

    4. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      "statutes aimed at protecting LGBTQ rights"

      The right to force other people to celebrate the fact that you wear makeup and take it in the ass.

      1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

        So are you like your nazi pals and hate gays too?

        How inbred are you?

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          If you ever cracked a history book you might be surprised at what your old pal, deputy führer and Reichsleiter Ernst Röhm, did with other men. In fact the entire upper echelons of the Nazi Brownshirt leadership were gay.

          1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

            That conspiracy theory has been debunked.
            Gays were among those persecuted by the Nazis.
            There’s no reasoning with a compulsive liar like you anyway.

            1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

              It’s been denied, not debunked. You can’t “debunk” a fact.

              -jcr

    5. BILKER   4 years ago

      LGBTQ have no rights. they are perversions of humanity.

  5. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Everyone knows the main trait of a top down totalitarian state is the free ice cream.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/china/billion-vaccine-shots-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

    Editor's note: CNN is launching the Meanwhile in China newsletter on June 21, a three-times-a-week update exploring what you need to know about the country's rise and how it impacts the world. Sign up here.

    Within days, China will reach a staggering 1 billion doses in its Covid-19 vaccination drive -- a scale and speed unrivaled by any other country in the world....

    ...For those still reluctant, China has a powerful tool in its arsenal: a top-down, one-party system that is all-encompassing in reach and forceful in action, and a sprawling bureaucracy that can be swiftly mobilized.

    The top-down approach has been touted by officials as a strength of the Chinese system that helped curb the virus -- and has again been deployed to accelerate inoculations.

    The all-out campaign to "vaccinate all who can be vaccinated" is being carried out across the country, in major cities and tiny villages alike, with government workers descending on neighborhoods to convince people to get vaccinated. In state-owned companies, meanwhile, employees are urged by their bosses to take the shots, while vaccination sites offer benefits, ranging from shopping vouchers to free groceries and ice cream.

    1. diWhite Knightoxide   4 years ago

      Why can't we do a billion vaccinations? We must suck

      1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

        That they wrote "convince people to get vaccinated" without any sense of irony is Walter Duranty level journalism.

        1. Stuck in California   4 years ago

          The entire US media/entertainment complex is like that now. They all see a billion and a half consumers in China and will gladly self censor and spread Chinese propaganda for the possibility of milking that market.

          Basketball player says "Democracy is good" during HK protests, he gets slapped down and force to cowtow by the NBA. Wrestler says "Taiwan" as though it's a country -- a WRESTLER -- and he's forced to apologize to China. Every movie is censored by China, whether you realize it or not.

          China also has a very comprehensive social media strategy. Millions whose job is to be agitators or to "correct" people in places just like this.

          It's pretty awful, but the press in general has been so awful of late its not unexpected.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            The NBA guy was a GM, not a player. It was a player, Lebron James, that chastised him.

            “Millions whose job is to be agitators or to “correct” people in places just like this.”

            Yeah we all know which commentators this is referring to.

            1. Stuck in California   4 years ago

              > Yeah we all know which commentators this is referring to.

              The thing is, I bet we don't. I mean, here, there are some obvious trolls and 50 centers. It's a lightly traveled forum. But there are a hell of a lot of pretty sophisticated propaganda sock puppets all over the internets and they can often get regular people to join in like it's cool.

              The Chinese sock puppets tend to be the most sophisticated. The Iranian are pretty kludgy. But there are also lots of privately run folks from RFJ jr's minions to Media Matters to major political parties to ... Amazon or other corporations.

              Nothing in the internet is real. China is just the best funded and most active.

              1. R Mac   4 years ago

                Eh, speak for yourself.

    2. Brian   4 years ago

      For people who hate fascism, they sure do admire one-party authoritarian rule.

    3. Kungpowderfinger   4 years ago

      Editor’s note: CNN is launching the Meanwhile in China newsletter on June 21, a three-times-a-week update exploring what you need to know about the country’s rise and how it impacts the world. Sign up here.

      It’s terrifying to consider CNN “exploring what you need to know about” about fucking China’s growing impact in the world. CNN can’t fall on their knees fast enough to serve those evil SOBs

      1. JohnZ   4 years ago

        Especially Brian Stelter and Don lemon.

  6. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1406725060229009410

    Non-profit tied to BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors 'failed to disclose at least $175,000 in donations to the IRS'

    1. Kevin Smith   4 years ago

      I had to read that headline 3 times before I realized she didn't donate 175k to the IRS

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Me. too.

    2. Anomalous   4 years ago

      $175,000 is probably the tip of the iceberg.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        That's basically how it works--you don't take the money yourself because then it would be reportable. You set up a "charity" or contractor service, which is tied to you either through a relative or a friend, and you use it to launder the money. The person running the "charity" gets a kickback, and the fraud keeps going as long as you don't piss that person off or they don't do something stupid like get caught in an unrelated bust that ends up exposing their operation.

        It's not any different than what Jordan Belfort did with Stratton Oakmont and his "rat holes," or any other mafia type of operation. This thing has been going on in the black activist community in particular for a very long time, probably since the Great Society if not longer.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          “The person running the “charity” gets a kickback, and the fraud keeps going as long as you don’t piss that person off or they don’t do something stupid like get caught in an unrelated bust that ends up exposing their operation.”

          Or buys to many million dollar homes to quickly.

        2. diWhite Knightoxide   4 years ago

          Have you met Rev Al Sharpton? He is too poor to pay any taxes

          1. Anomalous   4 years ago

            I'm sure he doesn't even own the clothes that he wears.

        3. Sevo   4 years ago

          The Clinton Foundation.

        4. Brian   4 years ago

          It’s totes legit to set up a non-profit org whose mission is to take care of your every need, right?

        5. JesseAz   4 years ago

          She will soon become a world famous artist having BLM buy her paintings for 500k a piece.

          1. R Mac   4 years ago

            And that won’t be any indication of corruption at all.

            — DOL

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              That was amazing watching him ignore it because you couldn't tie a specific action to money Hunter had been given... yet he was all in on Trump Russia with zero evidence at all.

  7. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "President Joe Biden's meeting last week with Russian President Vladimir Putin was 'a banal event in the context of past Democratic administrations, but a remarkable one in the context of the world as the liberal Resistance interpreted it from 2016 through 2020,' notes Ross Douthat for The New York Times."

    Nothing "banal" about it. Biden showed Putin that AMERICA IS BACK. In fact Biden's performance got rave reviews from leading neocon intellectuals like Bill Kristol (Reason.com editor-in-chief KMW's former coworker) and Max Boot.

    #LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussia

    1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

      WW3 was cancelled by the fucking libs.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        No, WW3 totally happened when Trump droned that respectable and wonderful Iranian General.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Wasn’t he also a renowned Islamic Scholar?

      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Said as Russia amasses troops on the border to Ukraine, China amasses troops around Taiwan and areas in the China Sea...

    2. JohnZ   4 years ago

      You mean Libertarians taking it up the ass for the small hat people.
      ie: AIPAC

  8. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    How much of that 'major pension' money comes from the taxpayers for unionized government employees?

    BlackRock [your new landlord] says it's time to take action on guns, may use voting power to influence

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/blackrock-says-its-time-to-take-action-on-guns-may-use-voting-power-to-influence.html

    In a client update outlining its approach to the gun industry on Friday, BlackRock said last month's deadly shooting at a Florida high school has driven home for the firm the "terrible toll from gun violence" in the U.S., something that "requires response and action from a wide range of entities across both the public and private sectors."

    That includes, it says, possibly voting against directors or against management on shareholder proposals. BlackRock said it has been working with customers to help them explore options for changing their investments to exclude gun industry stocks and is exploring ideas for new funds, including index funds that specifically exclude firearms makers and retailers.

    It put out its three-page update in response to a deluge of customer questions.

    BlackRock oversees more than $5 trillion of assets for major pensions and endowments as well as mom and pop fund investors, much of that in funds that track market indexes. As such it is the biggest owner of two publicly traded gun makers and the second biggest in a third one, putting it in a position to influence the current debate on guns.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Nope, totally not corporatist or fascist at all.

    2. Eeyore   4 years ago

      I wish someone would start a specialty fund of nothing but socially "irresponsible" stocks. Tobacco, guns, coal, etc.

      1. MK Ultra   4 years ago

        The Vice Fund was renamed Vitium Global Fund in 2019.

  9. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Why are new ventilators being trashed in a Miami-Dade landfill?
    https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/04/19/why-are-new-ventilators-being-trashed-in-a-miami-dade-landfill/

    The video is from a resident who was taking some garbage to the South Dade Landfill last week. He was stunned to see pallets full of brand new, wrapped medical ventilators dumped as bulky trash among mattresses, tires and other waste.

    His video shows hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ventilators sitting on trash mountain.

    What’s dumped is usually plowed under within a day, so those ventilators are probably gone now.

    “I just thought it was a lot of waste,” the resident said. “I mean, thousands and thousands of medical units that are being just tossed out.”

    From the packaging, Local 10 News traced the model and the manufacturer: Beijing Aerospace Changfeng Ltd. in Beijing.

    A posting from a broker shows the device selling at $26,000 during the height of need last spring, as U.S. medical workers scrambled to find ventilators for an exploding number of COVID-19 patients.

    However, the Beijing Aerospace ChangFeng Ltd ACM812A was not on a list of 86 ventilator models approved for emergency authorized use by the FDA.

    1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

      It occurs to me to wonder if GM is still being paid by the government to pump out ventilators and for how long that contract will exist. Until somebody in the year 2055 wonders why there's a $400 million line item in the budget for the storage of 12 billion ventilators?

      1. Eeyore   4 years ago

        Or they come off the assembly line and go straight to the dump.

    2. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      These weren't approved for use in the USA, but certainly we could have shipped them somewhere else instead of just burying them.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Scardina said she wanted to 'challenge the veracity' of Phillips statements that he would serve LGBT customers, but her attempt to get a cake was not a 'set up' intended to file a lawsuit, Jones said.

    If only there was a way to transition from a liar.

    1. Anomalous   4 years ago

      There is, but she wouldn't get a party for that.

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Go on…

        — Rob Misek

  11. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    "Once again, Masterpiece Cakeshop's Jack Phillips said making the requested cake would go against his morals. And, once again, the state isn't having it"

    And once again, Reason follows the legacy media fantasy that this is about making a cake, rather than about the artistic expression of decorating a cake. What Jack should do is accept the commission, and exercise his skills and artistic choices to decorate the cake with select quotations from the Christian Bible.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      They're never going to give up until religion is declared a hate crime. Wokianity isn't big on tolerating other faiths.

      1. BILKER   4 years ago

        much like muslims who they seem to admire even tho muslim religion calls for the decapitation of perverts and homosexuals.

    2. Eeyore   4 years ago

      Brilliant.

      1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

        No, it is not.

        That goes from refusing to do the work, to breaking the contract in spirit, if not by the letter. Furthermore, there might more firm legal grounds for deliberately putting something on the product the customer finds hateful. It is a genuinely uncivil act.

        1. Peter Mathewson   4 years ago

          lol - Bible quotes are hateful and a genuinely uncivil act. Damn you're an idiot. It's not like there are passages saying "slay the trans person over there". Maybe you should know something about that which you speak.... you know, prior to speaking on it.

          1. BILKER   4 years ago

            “slay the trans person over there”. that's found in the Koran.

    3. Eeyore   4 years ago

      If I was this guy I would just get out of the custom cake business.

      Welcome to plain white sheet cakes are us. Enjoy your plain white cake.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        I rather appreciate him fighting this for 10 years. Luckily he is fairly well funded for lawsuits pro bono and through donations.

        1. Stuck in California   4 years ago

          I'm glad folks are willing to help financially, but it still takes conviction to put up with the crap for years and years.

          Since he's more than willing to serve anyone, just doesn't want to make art (the custom decorating) that's proposing certain things, he's exactly the sort of case America needs in front of the Supreme court.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    That last bit rings a little hollow, since Scardina didn't simply order any old cake but a cake celebrating a gender transition, making sure the reason for the cake was known to Phillips.

    The bureaucrats on the commission and the bench are certainly playing their parts in this transparent charade, and the good taxpayers of Colorado get to fund the whole thing.

    1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Speaking of Colorad
      o bureaucrats
      “A new Colorado law… requires companies with even a few employees in the state to disclose the expected salary or pay range for each open role they advertise, including remote positions,” the Wall Street Journal reports. “The rule’s aim is to narrow gender wage gaps and provide greater pay transparency for employees.”

      The result?

      “To avoid having to disclose that information... some employers seeking remote workers nationwide are saying that those living in Colorado need not apply,” the Journal notes.

      https://fee.org/articles/you-can-live-anywhere-but-colorado-why-many-remote-job-postings-are-now-actively-excluding-one-state/

    2. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

      In fact, this is so transparently malicious prosecution that I think it might be reasonable to hold everyone involved in contempt of court.

  13. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/breannamorello/status/1406951041732648963

    NYC just dropped charges for HUNDREDS of rioters and looters.

    Millions of dollars in damages and stolen merchandise mean NOTHING to
    @ManhattanDA
    and
    @BronxDAClark
    .

    New York City is a dumpster fire!!

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Good, hope NEW YORK CITY returns to the same crime-ridden shithole that it became in the 1970s. The more the city's residents suffer, the better.

      1. BILKER   4 years ago

        no, no ,no don't make em suffer. they suffered in the 1960s and fled to the great state of California and turned it into Kaliforniastan. That's what will happen if they flee again.

  14. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Warning, literal execution filmed in Dem run city

    https://twitter.com/gazooly12/status/1406967882840350721
    Chicago shooting of Gyovanny Arzuaga and Yasmin Perez on June 19 as they drove with their flag, 1 killed, 1 critically wounded in Humboldt Park

    1. ThomasD   4 years ago

      White supremacy takes many forms.

      But in Chicago it's mostly in the form of black dudes capping anyone who gets too close.

    2. JimboJr   4 years ago

      Richard Taite, lefty, of the "Democracy Preservation Institute", Dem PAC, responding to Ann Coulter's post of this video...his take:

      The couple deserved it because they were trolling the neighborhood with a confederate flag...

      Aside from this being just despicable... They were hispanic, had kids, and were rockin a Puerto Rican flag.

      He has now doubled down and said he was just saying..."I mean if it WAS white people with a confed flag, THEN I wouldnt have cared..."

      Its been true for a long time, but there are few more racist and hateful than a hardcore left liberal.

      1. JohnZ   4 years ago

        I'd like to see Taite drive through that same hood.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Surely a seamstress who willingly provides choir robes and judicial robes should not be compelled to make robes for a Ku Klux Klan rally.

    The Klan ain't a protected class.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      But they are a bunch of faggots, so maybe they can be a white stripe on the recently-extended rainbow.

      1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

        Hey I can cite this as you being a homophobic bigot!

        I’m really glad you feel the need to lie about me ML.

        You’re a horrible human being! Almost as bad as your Mormon pals.

        Inbred backwards white trash rube..

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Homophobic isn't actually a thing and nobody deserves special protections for sucking cock. You treat individuals who are worthy of respect, with respect for reasons other than liking the taste of a dick.

          If you weren't a massive racist who judges people by their ethnicity rather than the content of their character, you'd realize this.

          1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

            You’re still a lying piece of shit.

            Why do you feel the need to lie about me? If I’m so awful shouldn’t you not have to make shit up about me?

            Hell you lie about everything. Are you one of those freaks who believes his own lies? Or are you just a troll?

            You’re a piece of fucking shit like your Mormon and nazi pals.

    2. Stuck in California   4 years ago

      Is transgender a protected class? I get so confused these days.

      1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

        It’s common to be confused at your age. Senility is a sad thing…

      2. BILKER   4 years ago

        only if they are melonin challenged

  16. 6cc2d28   4 years ago

    "but a remarkable one in the context of the world as the liberal Resistance interpreted it from 2016 through 202"

    Liberals really are mindless emotional drones. Why even defend democracy when these types are so well trained to be manipulated? These people couldn't get dressed in the morning until the orange man was gone. Pathetic.

  17. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Remember when freezing military aid to the Ukraine was an impeachable offence?

    Remember when pipelines that weren't the Nordstream 2 were bad?

    Good times.

  18. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    #BidenBoom update.

    The 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $143 billion this year.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any Biden 2020 ads in which he promised "When I'm President, the minimum wage won't change, and the richest people on the planet will get substantially richer." But we savvy left-libertarians knew that's exactly what would happen. That's why we overwhelmingly supported Biden.

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

    1. 6cc2d28   4 years ago

      It's great for America that the oligarchs are consolidating wealth and buying up all the hard assets. Then we can open the borders and the middle class can become the underclass, just like the establishment has been pushing for.

      Then Reason will have no need to exist, because the oligarchy propaganda will no longer be necessary.

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        Not sure about the last part. IMO as long as there is even one American politician who supports alt-right white nationalist policies like "border enforcement," Charles Koch will have incentive to continue funding open borders advocacy at places like Reason and Cato.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Given the circumstances, it seems a lot more like bullying someone over their values and attempting to drive openly religious entrepreneurs out of business for not agreeing with prevailing orthodoxy around sexuality and gender than a principled stand for the material well-being and concerns of marginalized groups.

    Public accommodation laws. What can you do.

    1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      The Woke crowd, which LBGTQ activists are deep in, are openly demanding acceptance and even celebration. That attitude does not allow for dissent. This is rooting out heresy and the infidel. It is a religious pogrom.

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        Confined to Christians, of course.

        1. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

          Christians are relatively safe to persecute. They do not tend to react bloodily.

    2. Roberta   4 years ago

      Just make the cake the way they want it. Nobody has to know what the baker thinks about it. That's what's so dumb about all these edicts: They can't change what people think, only what they do, or appear to think.

      Why can't everybody just pretend to be nice? Lying is fun, and very relaxing.

      1. Peter Mathewson   4 years ago

        Wow you're an idiot.

      2. BILKER   4 years ago

        lord love a duck whatta dunce!!

  20. 6cc2d28   4 years ago

    I'm so pumped for the Mises caucus to destroy you lolbertarians. Then Reason can fully become Emote, and the funding will run dry, as the Kochs have no use for you.

    I'm sure some oligarchy sponsored publication will take some of you. The rest should learn to code.

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      ^?

      1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        LOL.

    2. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

      "I’m so pumped for the Mises caucus to destroy you lolbertarians..."

      ???

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Read up on the New Hampshire Libertarian Party drama last week.

        The mises caucus is attempting to take over party positions in some state LP groups, causing the old guard to over react.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2021/06/nh-libertarian-party-chairwoman-unilaterally-dissolves-and-replaces-executive-committee-bylaws/

    3. Dillinger   4 years ago

      what channel?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Once again, a major news outlet's headline omits the rather important detail that *every* state routinely removes moved/inactive voters from their rolls as a best practice of election administration.

    My mother's name remained on the rolls for years after her death, so take that.

    1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

      How else was she supposed to vote?

  22. MP   4 years ago

    Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are.

    No they don't. Yet another person commenting on the Constitution in their head vs. the one actually on paper.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    In #Florida, you can legally grow #Marijuana if you have one of the 22 licenses issued by the State.

    That's how you "legalize" weed and still send business the prohibition enforcement industry's way.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    ... I forgot that DHS, at the time, said it would be temporary.

    Alphabet agencies don't know the meaning of the word.

  25. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    ...the state ban on gender-affirming medical care.

    I don't agree with blanket bans on medical procedures, but come on with that euphemism.

    1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

      In 2005, South Park had an episode where Kyle Broflovski decided he wanted to have surgery to make him a tall black man and his dad got talked into having surgery to become a dolphin. It was funny at the time. Not so funny now.

      1. DesigNate   4 years ago

        It was a damn warning from the future.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 years ago

        Mrs garrison lost her balls in that tragic episode. Like, forever.

        1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

          She eventually switched back to Mr Garrison. They genetically engineered her junk on mice and she spent a whole episode chasing it around.

          We can watch South Park together buddy?

        2. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

          I listened to the Sex Pistols. I still can’t understand why you would cite them when there are so many better British bands and punk bands…

    2. Rockstevo   4 years ago

      They keep going about this the wrong way, the correct way would be to remove the liability cap for all the Physicians involved. Then sit back and watch the lawsuits roll in until they stop doing it on their own. That’s how the dems do it.

      1. Roberta   4 years ago

        Why not go the other way and abolish their liability? Play stupid game, win stupid prize.

    3. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

      Maybe a counter is to call "sex denying" medical care, or simply "quackery".

  26. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The U.S. and the European Union have "hammered out an important agreement to suspend pointless retaliatory tariffs targeting a host of foods."

    The only food that America must import from other places is the weird kind.

  27. BYODB   4 years ago

    Autumn Scardina, the one going after the cakeshop this time around, just so happens to be a lawyer. I'm sure they weren't shopping around for a name-making case or anything.

    Something tells me this lawyer is well aware that the process is the punishment.

    /sarc

    1. buckleup   4 years ago

      Yes they are aware, and also they will just keep doing this over and over until he closes up shop. That is what they want, to destroy anyone opposing them. That is the nature of this fight.

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        No, I'm pretty sure Muslims are safe.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Hard to advance your cause with your head chopped off.

      2. Roberta   4 years ago

        Why doesn't he just accept that his job is to make money by being in everyone else's power? He can become famous as the ironic cake maker, someone who makes cakes all the time that say the opposite of what he thinks. It's a bonanza!

        1. Roberta   4 years ago

          Politicians do it all the time. It's fun and it pays well. I don't know why everyone doesn't at least try for an occupation like that.

          1. Roberta   4 years ago

            Come to think of it, that's the priest's job too. And the journalist's.

          2. Peter Mathewson   4 years ago

            So your basic argument is because many people in society today are unprincipled, the cake shop owner should follow suit?

            That's fucking retarded. Grow up.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Scardina took over the lawfare efforts after the initial gay couple who filed the complaint against the shop decided to move on.

      And yeah, he's flat-out admitted that this isn't anything about civil rights, because he's stated that he'll just keep filing lawsuits until Phillips "corrects his thinking." It's basically nothing more than litigious harassment until he and Paula Greisen could find a sympathetic judge to rule in their favor.

      1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

        He should be declared a vexatious litigant, disbarred for harassing Phillips, and end his life starving on the streets as a pariah, but justice is rare in this world.

        -jcr

  28. diWhite Knightoxide   4 years ago

    Abbott just wants to make "family separation" safe, legal, and rare. You see, He's personally opposed to it.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    President Joe Biden's meeting last week with Russian President Vladimir Putin was "a banal event in the context of past Democratic administrations, but a remarkable one in the context of the world as the liberal Resistance interpreted it from 2016 through 2020..."

    At least Putin was able to get past Biden's aversion to pipelines. It's good to see in action an American president who's not a Russian asset.

    1. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

      Interestingly, foreign sources took a significant amount of time to mock Biden's gaffs, random statements (interchanging Lybia and Syria in his speech, among others), appearing to wander in a lost manner, and requiring notes in the meeting with Putin.

      And now both Russia and China seem to be much more aggressive than they have been in the past.

      For all Trump's faults, he never appeared weak. Biden certainly appears to be weak and infirm mentally.

    2. JohnZ   4 years ago

      Just an Israeli asset.
      Braindead Biden hasn't had a thought in his head for decades.
      He's even more thoughtless now.

      1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

        It a bit of a stretch to describe Biden as an “asset” in any context, but if he were under Israeli control, the democrats would be making an effort to get a lid on the hamassholes in their ranks.

        -jcr

    3. BILKER   4 years ago

      true but Biden IS a CCP puppet.

  30. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Telemedicine abortion is here to stay...

    They use your laptop's optical drive tray.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      Well that’s actually reassuring. I was imagining something involving the mouse.

    2. Eeyore   4 years ago

      Isn't it really a consultation to determine if it is still early enough in the pregnancy to flush?

  31. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    In 2018, Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott said family separations were "tragic and heart-rending." In 2021, he's enforcing his own family separation policy.

    Governments are all about knowingly bringing on the tragic and heart-rending.

  32. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    A Southern California sheriff's deputy is under criminal investigation after he was recorded on video kicking a pursuit suspect in the head while the man appeared to be surrendering...

    It's not the cop's fault the guy tapped out before he got the chance to use that head as a soccer ball.

  33. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    ...and allow "states and towns to set their own rules for slaughtering livestock."

    Those bleeding heart communities are just inviting cows and pigs to migrate there.

  34. Sevo   4 years ago

    "S.F. officials honor teachers union president, angering parents who blame union for slow school reopening"
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/S-F-officials-honor-teachers-union-president-16258560.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    Screw the parents and the kids; to whom do you think the supervisors owe jobs?

  35. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    Don't buy too much into the hype about Le Pen losing the regional elections om France over the weekend. Looks to me like there were three right wing parties competing with each other for almost 60% of the votes, and the question wasn't really whether the voters wanted to go right or left so much as whether they wanted to go one of three different ways to the right: Populist, Centrist, or somewhere in the middle--with somewhere in the middle winning out.

  36. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    'Blue’ Southeast PA Counties Had Head Start on Election Grants
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/06/blue-southeast-pa-counties-had-head-start-election-todd-shepherd/

    Last August, the Pennsylvania Department of State communicated directly with Democrat-leaning counties in the Southeast regarding multimillion dollar grants for the 2020 election. These communications happened as other counties in the state remained ignorant of, or were not not invited to participate in, the application process until the following month.

    According to the Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), the grants were intended to help smooth over increased costs counties were facing mainly because of the Covid-19 pandemic, such as the need for extra sanitation supplies, extra manpower, and new equipment to deal with the higher volume of mail-in ballots. And CTCL has insisted in a statement that they and their grant process are non-partisan.

    Emails obtained via Right-to-Know (RTK) Law requests and an analysis of county grant applications show, however, that some counties that tend to skew ‘blue’ had a head start in obtaining funds.

    Delaware, Chester and Montgomery Counties each discussed the existence of the grants with officials at the Pennsylvania Department of State in August. Most other counties, however, were only sent an invitation to apply for CTCL grants by the DOS a day after Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan announced a $250 million donation to CTCL on Sept. 1.

    That invitation makes no allusions to any previous communications about the existence of the grants, signaling this was the first most counties had ever heard of the available money from the DOS.

    In one of the emails obtained via RTK request, Christine Ruether, a member of the Delaware County Council, sent her completed application to DOS officials on Aug. 6, apparently for them to review.

    An email from Lehigh County to the DOS on Aug. 29, on the other hand, shows that county was only just hearing rumors of the available funds.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      Those counties clearly just needed more fortifications.

  37. Dillinger   4 years ago

    >>a transgender woman in celebration of her gender transitioning

    need chart to know what the fuck this means.

    1. Eeyore   4 years ago

      Are you ever really "done" transitioning? So many little improvements left. Adam's apple removal. Laser hair removal. Daily hormone pills. Vaginoplasty refresh.

    2. perlhaqr   4 years ago

      Apparently it means "bake the fucking cake".

    3. Lee Moore   4 years ago

      This is a classic example of the difference between English words derived from Latin and English words derived from Anglo Saxon. Latin ones are long, complicated, a bit on the abstract side and require a lot of thought to convert into mentalese. Whereas the Anglo Saxon ones are short, to the point, and obvious.

      "transgender" is a Latin word and so you really have to think hard about what it might mean.

      The corresponding Anglo Saxon is "not a"

      "transgender woman" = ??!*?^?&&?

      "not a woman" = a dude

      1. Dillinger   4 years ago

        gracias very helpful.

  38. Mickey Rat   4 years ago

    If only there were a Section 230 for pastry chefs.

  39. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

    Once again, Masterpiece Cakeshop's Jack Phillips said making the requested cake would go against his morals.

    Can you imagine being this guy. Basically, every time the phone rings, it's a fucking activist deployed by a law firm trying to find out what baked good will get you into court.

    1. n00bdragon   4 years ago

      Honestly, if it were me, I'd walk into the nearest Colorado courthouse soaked with gasoline and immolate myself right there in the rotunda (I don't think they'd let me get all the way to the court room) and hope that the pure shock value of my death might inspire people to change things for the better. Phillips has more fortitude than I do apparently.

      1. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

        Maybe he has a conscientious scruple against suicide?

        1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

          He's a Christian. I think that religion forbids suicide.

          -jcr

      2. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

        It's happened a few times. Guys pissed about penal child support and other family court things, comes to mind. Ultimately, nobody gives a shit.

        Start setting the activists and their law firms and, most importantly, the leadership of the groups underwriting these sorts of suits...set those people on fire. That might cause a change.

        1. BILKER   4 years ago

          better yet close all the law schools for 20 years or so.

    2. Roberta   4 years ago

      Hey, if it makes him rich and famous, why not?

  40. Full Of Buckminster   4 years ago

    “Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are.” That’s BS. A seven-footer has no right to demand clothes that fit, since others get clothes that fit. And no one would argue otherwise.

    1. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

      Oh, I'm not so sure about that. Slippery slope, you see.

  41. IceTrey   4 years ago

    Custom cakes are a contractual issue is the state going to force people to make contracts against their will now?

  42. buckleup   4 years ago

    Colorado a once republican state now led by democrats insists you must bake a cake to send a message. Infested by former Californians who didn't learn from their previous mistakes. Run by billionaires and cronies for their own benefit. This is how it works.

    1. JohnZ   4 years ago

      You mean democrat locusts who fled Commiefornia and turned Colorado into a blue communist state.

  43. Azathoth!!   4 years ago

    Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are.

    No, actually, they don't.

    In fact, it is the laws that attempt to create this state which are universally unconstitutional.

    Americans have the right to be equal before the law, and that's it.

    1. IceTrey   4 years ago

      No you shouldn't discriminate against the ISIS member who just moved in next door.

  44. CigarMan   4 years ago

    What is wrong with these people? The guy doesn't want to bake these cakes. There are only like a million other bakers. Leave the freaking guy alone. And why does everyone need cakes anyway? They are very unhealthy.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Someone, somewhere, might not be celebrating a guy getting his dick cut off because he thinks he's a female, and that's problematic.

      1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

        Did your dad cut your son’a dick off?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          The hicklib pederast reveals that he's also a eunuch, which explains the feminine screeching.

          1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

            You’re the pedophile enabler dude.

            You’re also traitor.

            Do you burn flags on the 4th or just not celebrate it?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              The hicklib pederast continues his feminine screeching and revealing his childhood experiences.

              1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

                I’m doing nothing of the sort.

                Hey Red are you Mormon?

                It would explain a lot

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                  The hicklib pederast can't hide that he's a hicklib pederast. That's why he has Gacy-like fantasies.

                  1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

                    I’m just copying your playbook.

                    Ya know saying I have aids and shit?

                    I’m honestly curious if your Mormon or a hardcore religious type? It would explain a lot

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                      The hicklib pederast confirms he has GRIDS.

                2. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

                  Dude, what is your problem with Mormons? Did Chad from BYU knock your mom up and abandon you or what?

                  -jcr

          2. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

            What do you think of the Raiders DE being gay?

            Oh you don’t like sports. Fascism and hating America is more your thing.

            You probably don’t know this, but the Raiders and Broncos are in the same division. So Nassib will have 2 opportunities to fuck up whichever shitty an the Broncos put out there. Drew Locke is bad.

            1. BILKER   4 years ago

              at least he's not like male to female transgenders that sue to compete in womens sports. Bill Burr has a quote for that "they're dickless guys beating up on women".

    2. Dillinger   4 years ago

      dude don't blame the cake.

    3. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      The long and short of it is, the people who harass Jack Phillips are ashamed of themselves, and they punish him to try to silence their own misgivings about their personal worth. Just like when Puritans used to persecute the non-religious.

      -jcr

  45. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

    I suppose this description of the cake case is as good as one might expect at Reason, but instead of linking to that Von Drivel guy, why not link the the baker's own book?

    https://www.regnery.com/9781684510801/the-cost-of-my-faith/

    1. Roberta   4 years ago

      See? He's already getting fame and fortune from this. If I could just arrange for people to sue me over something really, really, weird...!

      1. Peter Mathewson   4 years ago

        He's lucky he's being sued for something lots of people care about, so he has lawyers willing to work for free and donations for expenses beyond paying the lawyer.

        Otherwise, he likely couldn't have taken the last case to the Supreme court based on cost and years required to invest. If he did go for it, he'd likely go bankrupt at some point. But if somehow he hung on that paid all the expenses required out of pocket, he has the unique joy of doing it again.

        And you think this is a good thing? That a merchant can be harassed using the court system & bad law as the weapons to bludgeon him/her?

        Related: the people suing are nothing more than common bullies - the thing they are supposedly running from and tell others should never happen to anyone!

        Whatever as they seem more than willing to unnecessarily use bulling against others.

  46. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

    It seems like going to the same baker from a previous court case is just asking for publicity.

    Or is there a lack of bakers in Colorado?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

      It's comments like this that makes me think you might not be a troll.

      1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

        Why would you think I’m a troll?

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Because you're a troll? Because you do nothing but shitpost and scream about Mormons and Jews "Israelis"?

          1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

            My offer still stands and will always stand. I will quit posting if you can back up your lies.

            Goddamn backwards rube!

    2. BILKER   4 years ago

      KillA it's an over abundance of perverts and lawyers.

  47. Angry Porcupine   4 years ago

    Does this me I can sue some dyke for not dating me since I hetro? Should she be forced to not discriminate against anyone?

    1. Bored Lawyer   4 years ago

      Do you date for money?

  48. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

    Where are the infamous right-wing trolls when you need them?

    I'm not endorsing this because I'm into freedom of association, but can't a troll file a "discrimination" complaint against a feminist baker - "She wouldn't bake my cake honoring Saint Paul, and that's religious discrimination! I tried to explain that I simply wanted to honor him for preaching wifely obedience to her husband."

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      All I could find is this:

      https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/08/13/detroit-baker-april-anderson-homophobic-cake-david-gordon/3343464001/

      It didn’t work out because the lesbian baker went ahead and made the homophobic cake.

      1. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

        '"Why would somebody order this from us?" Anderson said. "They know our bakery. It's not like it's a secret. It says it on our about page and social media pages and very clear that this bakery is owned by two lesbian women."'

        LOL, who would want to order a cake from a baker they know wouldn't provide one?

        Though in this case the troll was acting independently of his employer (not that this stopped the article from bashing the employer), and went so far as to ask for a specific *written* message, which goes beyond what the alphabet folks are (for now) demanding.

        1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          “LOL, who would want to order a cake from a baker they know wouldn’t provide one?”

          Which is what I’ve always wondered about the Colorado case, too.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

        She couldn't count on her lawyer. Smart move.

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Nobody ever said you weren't intentionally ignorant. It was well reported that groups made the same demands of Muslim bakers and were also rejected.

        https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/5/video-puts-muslim-bakeries-florists-in-gay-rights-/

        But Muslims are on the victim totem pole so governments and leftists didn't care.

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          Dee couldn’t even be bothered to read her own cite.

      4. R Mac   4 years ago

        From your own cite dumbfuck:

        “So Anderson baked the cake, but without the requested message.”

  49. Roberta   4 years ago

    Two bedrock principles of the Constitution are brought into direct conflict. Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are. This right finds expression in laws requiring businesses and agencies that serve the public to do so without discrimination.

    Americans also have a protected freedom of belief and expression. They cannot be compelled by the government to express or reject any religious views or political opinions.

    One of those is bedrock, the other is...uh...in there...somewhere?

    1. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

      In the penumbras.

      1. Roberta   4 years ago

        I thought they had those surgically removed.

    2. JohnZ   4 years ago

      Neither can they be compelled to the use of certain speech.
      ie: the use of certain pronouns.

  50. BigGiveNotBigGov   4 years ago

    The vice jaws are closing ever tighter from both the left and the right on property and association rights. Whether it is orders to bake the LGBT cake or to take the next Typhoid Mary on your cruise big intrusive government is squeezing individuals and businesses.

    “What, actually, is the difference between communism and fascism? Both are forms of statism, authoritarianism. The only difference between Stalin’s communism and Mussolini’s fascism is an insignificant detail in organizational structure.”
    ~ Leonard E. Read

  51. Bubba Jones   4 years ago

    Jack Phillips isn't very bright.

    He should have made it blue on the outside, and blue on the inside.

    And then let the plaintiff argue that this was a political expression.

  52. Bored Lawyer   4 years ago

    In my opinion, the better argument for the baker is Free Speech, not Free Exercise of Religion. It is clear that the cake was designed to send a message. He should not be compelled to help someone send a message he disagrees with, anymore than a newspaper can be compelled to print a message it disagrees with (which the Supreme Court held long ago.)

    Simply question. Could the State of Colorado ban the baking of this cake, on the grounds that it does not like its message? Answer: No, that would be a First Amendment violation.

    If a State cannot ban certain activity as speech, it cannot compel someone to do the activity which is speech.

  53. Bored Lawyer   4 years ago

    "Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are. This right finds expression in laws requiring businesses and agencies that serve the public to do so without discrimination."

    But that is just the point. He is NOT discriminating based on "who they are." He would bake the same person a birthday cake or anniversary cake for his/her/its parents. He just won't bake a cake whose message is, celebrate a transgender operation.

    And, by the same token, if a straight person asked him to bake the transgender cake (say for a surprise party for he/she/it) he would refuse.

    In short, it's not the person, it's the message.

  54. Enemy of the State   4 years ago

    "Two bedrock principles of the Constitution are brought into direct conflict. Americans have a right in their public lives to be free from discrimination based on who they are. This right finds expression in laws requiring businesses and agencies that serve the public to do so without discrimination."

    Owners of private property serve those they wish to do business with, not "the public".

    Every business in a free society should have the RIGHT to employ the following policy:

    "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." That's a right that corresponds to the consumer's right to refuse to patronize any business he cares to. Even one that won't bake him a "transitioning cake"...

    1. Bored Lawyer   4 years ago

      I sympathize with your position, but it is not a popular one. On your position, a private business could refuse to serve blacks (although it would have to face the economic consequences of doing so).

      You don't need to got there for this case, or any other case that has come up recently. All of these vendors had no problem serving gay people or transgender people. They had a problem with creating a message they disagreed with.

  55. Hank Phillips   4 years ago

    I'd give them the cake, and dose it with Owsley entheogens by way of expressing freedom of religion.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      He a good friend of yours, Hank?

  56. BarkingSpider   4 years ago

    WTF? Are there no other bakeries? Just go there…why the fuck break this guys balls? Did it ever dawn on you if forced to make this cake he might spit or jerk off in it??? I would go somewhere else.

    1. Lee Moore   4 years ago

      As NM Dave points out below, the object of the exercise was to persecute Jack Phillips. The guy didn't want a cake, he wanted Jack Phillips up before the Committee of Public Safety.

      However, we might consider the question from another angle. We see Jack Phillips being persecuted, and that is indeed what is happening. But from a Christian, rather than a legal or political angle, is that all that is going on ? Few Christians are thrown to the lions these days, few - in the USA - have their faith tested by human malevolence. Jack Phillips is being required to suffer for his faith and so far he has not been found wanting.

  57. NM Dave   4 years ago

    It's highly unlikely that this woman actually wants to use this particular baker to provide her the cake. Why would she want to spend her money with someone who thinks she's a freak, a pervert, or openly doing something that he thinks is immoral? No, she wants to slap him around and make him pay for his outdated views, as if it's up to her to do this.

    This isn't about money, or a cake, it's about punishing someone for not thinking like you think, and it's decidedly unlibertarian. She needs to spend her money with a more sympathetic provider and get on with her life. Her damage here is nonexistent and she needs to recognize that she can't change everyone she comes into contact with. Otherwise, she will spend the remainder of her days in bitter anger.

    1. Cloudbuster   4 years ago

      He.

    2. JohnZ   4 years ago

      Spending the remainder of her days in bitter anger would be the best punishment.

    3. BILKER   4 years ago

      NM "it’s about punishing someone for not thinking like you think"
      "it's about FORCING someone to THINK like you"
      there I fixed it for you.

  58. Aspiring Statesman   4 years ago

    The real issue is that it's wrong for government to force any non-discrimination policy or behavior on any non-monopolistic private enterprise. Government is an unavoidable monopoly, so it must not discriminate (equal application of the law). There are a few unfortunate monopolies like electric utilities that shouldn't refuse service to paying customers. But outside that, everyone should be allowed to refuse service to anyone.

    1. Lee Moore   4 years ago

      Yes, though as you imply, it's only some particular kinds of monopolistic private enterprises that should be up for anti-discrimination regulation. Precisely what kinds is difficult to define though. "Necessities" is an obvious choice, but what is a "necessity" ? Electricty ? Internet access ? Plumbing services ? Wedding cake ?

      Monopoly alone is obviously not sufficient - eg the more acclaimed Jack Phillips' mastery of cake decoration becomes, so that people don't just want a "well decorated wedding cake" but a "Jack Phillips wedding cake" the more differentiated the Jack Phillips product is, until Jack Phillips has a monopoly in that niche market.

      Indeed you could say that in this particular case, the case of the lawsuit-seeking gender-transition-cake guy, Jack Phillips did have an absolute monopoly. It had to be a "Jack Phillips" cake that the cake provocateur was cruelly deprived of. No other cake maker would have done, since the whole point of the stunt was to stick it to Jack Phillips.

      But just as monopoly is not enough, it may also be unnecessary. What if we have oligopolistic conspiracies ?

      Tricky subject.

  59. EWM   4 years ago

    Colorado Court has Judge who is a violent communist.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/LOwshoAKe6DD/

  60. BadLib   4 years ago

    IIRC, the gay couple in the original case wasn't trying to order a "custom" cake, just one from a "stock" book of cakes. Although the baker would have to make the cake, it would be the same cake that anyone who said they wanted #18B would get. In fact, if there were two orders for the same cake for the same day, the baker might have had no idea, while making the cakes, which one he was working on at the moment. So, in the previous case the "compelled speech" aspect was a bit tenuous as it was the end use of the cake that Phillips objected to, not explicit imagery on the product.

    In this case, it appears a truly custom cake was being requested -- the baker, while making it, couldn't help but be aware of what it was celebrating and it would be very clear that was the case.

    Hopefully, if another similar case doesn't get to SCOTUS first, this one will be taken up by them.

    My money is on Masterpiece Cakeshop on this one. Being an atheist I don't share Phillips' stance. However, I support his First Amendment rights more than I abhor his religious stance. If I lived in the area, I would make it a point to patronize him for my (rare) cake baking needs. And if his web site isn't posed by "professional model cakes", some of his work looks quite good.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      You don’t recall correctly.

      1. BadLib   4 years ago

        Indeed I didn't recall correctly.

        In fact (if I'm to believe the Supreme Court description of what transpired) Phillips refused to sell them a cake for their wedding celebration before any discussion of the cake design had been discussed. The fact that the cake was a "wedding" cake and would be used to celebrate a wedding between two spouses of the same gender was sufficient for Phillips to refuse to sell them the cake. Apparently even if it contained no message or indication it was celebrating a gay marriage (as the discussion about design customization had not yet occurred).

        Phillips conceded that if the couple had come in to buy something off the shelf to serve at their celebration the state would have had a strong case against him. Oddly this was the case even though he had made those items with the same artistic skill as he would use in making the "cake to order" - but at the time of creation he didn't know what it would be used for seemed to be the distinction.

        The case here still seems like a cleaner case as the requested design of this cake clearly sends a message and is intended to.

  61. Barnum   4 years ago

    This is bigger than freedom of religion. A atheist should not have to create a cake if he does not want to. This is a case of involuntary servitude which is prohibited by the thirteenth amendment.

  62. Cloudbuster   4 years ago

    Jesus, this is just egregious use of the justice system for persecution. This judge deserves ... well, rhymes with hood whipper. Metaphorically, Feds. Metaphorically.

  63. JohnZ   4 years ago

    It is rather obvious, this is an attempt at persecution of someone with strong religious background.
    Since this is happening in Colorado, a state that has been overrun by liberal progs who fled California in order to infest other states, comes as no surprise this man would once again be the target of activists.
    I'm surprised his bakery hasn't been burned to the ground by all those who believe in justice and equality. You know, ANTIFA and BLM.
    He is definitely being targeted. I suspect there are others who will step in at the right time to start another dust up.
    He needs to be careful. There's no telling just how far these people will go in order to punish him.
    He might do well to purchase some ballistic armor.

  64. Jonathan Appleseed   4 years ago

    “In Alternative Free Speech/Press-News: Former Puss-In-Chief Whines About Saturday Night Live Doing Their Job"

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-wanted-his-justice-department-to-stop-snl-from-teasing-him

  65. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

    Turnabout is fair play. What if a bunch of Trumpsters started demanding the left-wing businesses print shirts, make cakes, etc that proclaim that the election was stolen from Trump?

    -jcr

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