Joe Biden

Joe Biden's $6 Trillion Budget Proposal Will Hike Spending, Keep Deficits Near Record Highs

In Biden's plan, the government would consume a historically large share of the economy—and those taxes still wouldn't be enough to pay for everything

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President Joe Biden's first budget proposal will hike federal spending to new highs and would rely on near-record levels of borrowing even as the economy recovers from the COVID-19 pandemic.

That's according to The New York Times, which got an early look at some details of Biden's $6 trillion budget proposal. The White House is set to unveil its official spending plan for the next fiscal year on Friday. The Times reports that Biden's proposal would result in "the highest sustained levels of federal spending since World War II," with the budget growing to $8.2 trillion by 2031—the end of the 10-year window that's typically included in presidential budget-making.

The specific numbers are new, but no one should be surprised by the trajectory. Since taking office in January, Biden has proposed roughly $6 trillion in new government spending (spread out over multiple fiscal years) via his American Recovery Plan, his American Families Plan, and his American Jobs Plan.

Biden has called for hiking taxes on high earners and corporations, though the Times makes it clear that those increases won't be nearly enough to cover the cost of everything the White House wants to do.

The Times' Jim Tankersley notes that Biden's plan would see the federal government spend "what amounts to nearly a quarter of the nation's total economic output every year over the course of the next decade"—a threshold that has never been hit since World War II, with the exception of 2020 and 2021—while also collecting "tax revenues equal to just under one-fifth of the total economy," which would also near a record high.

That really sums it up. Record levels of spending that would well exceed even a historically high share of the economy devoted to funding the government.

While Biden's proposal does not envision budget deficits rising as high as they did last year—when the government spent $3.1 trillion more than it collected in tax revenue—his budget calls for deficits of at least $1.6 trillion for the foreseeable future, the Times reports. The national debt measured as a share of the economy's overall size will exceed the all-time record high of 113 percent, set during World War II, by 2024. And it will keep growing.

Even without the added worry of the rising deficit, Biden's proposed increase to the baseline level of annual federal spending is staggering on its own. During 2019, the last full fiscal year before the COVID-19 pandemic, the federal government spent about $4.4 trillion. Biden's proposal rings in at $1.6 trillion above that.

The current Congressional Budget Office (CBO) baseline envisions just a hair over $5 trillion in spending during the current fiscal year, and it does not see federal spending exceeding $6 trillion until 2027. Biden's plan takes the country to that level next year.

That same CBO report projected the annual budget deficit to fall to just over $1 trillion by 2024 before rising slightly over the rest of the decade. The passage of the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan in March has already nudged those numbers higher, and Biden's budget makes it clear that the days of mere trillion-dollar deficits are gone.

Like all presidential budgets, Biden's is mostly aspirational; Congress will have the final say. But with Democratic majorities in both chambers, something similar to the president's proposal is likely to be adopted.

After Republicans effectively traded away any claim to fiscal responsibility during the Trump administration by backing bigger budgets and higher deficits, Biden rode into office with the chance to spend big with fewer of the usual political impediments. In his joint address to Congress last month, Biden promised to build "a union more perfect, more prosperous, and more just."

Apparently it will also require more spending, more taxes, and more borrowing.

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  1. Total insanity.

    1. And his budget is too.

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    2. REASON wanted it. No mean tweets

      1. To be fair, those tweets were very, very rude. One of libertarianism’s most cherished principles is that one must never embarrass Top Men.

      2. Mean tweets, incompetence the likes of which the world has never seen, and armed insurrection against the United States.

        The tweets thing is projection. As in, that was the only thing his followers would ever criticize him for.

        1. Low gas prices
          Peace in the middle east
          Jews not getting beaten in the streets
          Low inflation

          Can we get back to that icompetance?

          1. Tony is too stupid to understand. We need to round up all the progs like him and ship them to Somalia.

          2. Jews are getting beaten in the streets today, by Trump supporters.

            And you’re leaving out a couple key details of the Trump years. Like the global pandemic, severe mental illness and incompetence, and armed insurrection against the United States.

            But yea, low gas prices, sure, that’s all that really matters anyway.

            1. Yeah all those Trumpers who live in NYC.

              Such a fucking clown.

              1. Trumpers live everywhere.

                But it’s possible that when they start sending undesirables to camps, they’ll ironically spare the Jews. Not reformed Jews, of course, since they’ll be gassed along with the other doctors, lawyers, and college professors.

                1. So you admit to being full of shit?
                  The rest of us have already noticed.
                  Tell us again about how Trump is responsible for the Wu-flu; it’s amusing to laugh at the village idiot.

                2. The danger to the Jews today is coming from you lefturds, just like the 20th century. Any Jew who supports the Democrats or the Labour party is basically suicidal.

                  -jcr

                  1. No one cares about the Jewish people, they will be okay. As far as us Americans we should probably get our stuff in order too. Not a thing against the Jews, but what are we talking about?

                    1. Late night bot sounds kinda stoned.

            2. Stitstain says: “Jews are getting beaten in the streets today, by Trump supporters.”
              Everybody else can plainly see:
              “Jews Attacked In Broad Daylight In Times Square As Anti-Semitic Attacks Spike Nationwide”
              […]
              “…Videos posted to social media capture the horrific incident that occurred in broad daylight. A group of individuals wearing similar clothing to individuals seen in other videos supporting Palestinians are seen beating a man in the middle of the street as bystanders try to step in and help the man. As authorities closed in, the group of assailants flee the scene.”
              https://dailycaller.com/2021/05/21/anti-semitic-hate-crime-jewish-man-beat-up-times-square/
              I’ve noticed all the Trump supporters dressed up as Pals, haven’t you?

              Then we get this amazing steaming pile of assholery:
              “…Like the global pandemic,…”
              Yep, Trump whipped it up in the WH kitchen one night!
              “…severe mental illness and incompetence,…”
              Among TDS-addled lefty assholes like shitstain here.
              “…and armed insurrection against the United States….”
              And shitstain *STLL* can’t spell “protest”.

            3. No Tony, they’re beating beaten by Palestinian supporters. Carrying the Palestinian flag in some cases. Thats a democrat demographic.

              Nice try though, you fucking liar.

            4. Jews are getting beaten in the streets today, by Trump supporters.

              You lying little scumbag. The attacks are coming from lefturds who are trying to show their support for Hamas.

              -jcr

            5. I didn’t realize how many Trump supporters also supported Hamas.

              1. American politics has little to do with it. Not everything going on in the world relates to Trump or whatever.

                The rocket war and rioting in Israel is more about the power struggle between Hamas and the PA. It was orchestrated by Hamas to gain power before upcoming elections.

                Antisemitism is not confined to the left nor the right in the US. You can even find it here.

                1. I was sarcastically pointing out how stupid Tony’s comment is.

        2. “…incompetence the likes of which the world has never seen, and armed insurrection against the United States…”

          TDS-addled lefty piles of shit keep posting lies like this, I guess under the “Big Lie” theory, rather than admit it simply makes it clear what ignoramuses they are.

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    4. But no mean tweets!

    5. While Biden’s proposal does not envision budget deficits rising as high as they did last year—when the government spent $3.1 trillion more than it collected in tax revenue—

      Trump is #1 in deficit spending!

      Suck on that, Biden!

      1. lol – that’s right up until Biden’s first budget

    6. Thank you for joining the fight to end the COVID-19 pandemic by choosing to get fully vaccinated, and encouraging the people in your life to do the same………..MORE DETAIL.

  2. “WASHINGTON—President Biden’s expected $6 trillion budget assumes that his proposed capital-gains tax rate increase took effect in late April, meaning that it would already be too late for high-income investors to realize gains at the lower tax rates if Congress agrees”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-budget-said-to-assume-capital-gains-tax-rate-increase-started-in-late-april-11622127432?

    Resistance is futile.

    And what this country really needs is less capitalism, less private investment, and more socialist spending. All of this was foreseeable, and all of this was foreseen. If you don’t think there’s substantial difference between Biden, Trump, or some other Republican in the White House, you’re an idiot.

    Hopefully, Senate Republicans will let the Democrats pass this all by themselves through budget reconciliation without any Republican participation.

    Let the Democrats own every bit of this.

    November 2022 can’t come soon enough.

    1. Unfortunately a sizeable portion of the electorate sees no problem with any of this; most recent estimates indicate that 44% of them have a $0.00 federal tax liability:

      https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-increasing-share-households-paying-no-federal-income-tax

      Of course this data can be looked at from different POVs and spun accordingly; they either “very old” or make “very little money,” or some years they do some they don’t etc. But per statistica:

      “the percentage of households in the United States that paid no income tax in 2019, by income level. In 2019, about 46.6 percent of U.S. households with an income between 40,000 and 50,000 U.S. dollars paid no income taxes.”

      So there is no consequence to such persons is the government spends money they do not have; they will not be paying for it. Might as well vote for the politicians who promise them the moon.

      1. The question isn’t whether it’s popular so much as whether it’s stupid, and raising the tax on capital gains is stupid.

        It isn’t just about big tech shares either. It’s everything from venture capital to commercial real estate. That’s not what we want to do to make the economy grow. All that redevelopment to turn shopping malls into luxury condos with live, work, shop, play potential? All that transformative investment? He’s discoraging that.

        That’s not even what they want if they really want to transform the economy into a post fossil fuel energy economy either. You want wealthy investors to be more likely to invest, not less likely.

        This is just about not being seen as ineffectual. Like Obama with ObamaCare, they’d rather do something stupid than come away empty handed because coming away empty handed makes them seem feckless.

        1. >>raising the tax on capital gains is stupid

          makes the envious feel better. good politics.

        2. That’s not what we want to do to make the economy grow.
          Well, they don’t want the economy to grow, so there’s that.

        3. Regardless, “popular” gets votes, and this is the government we got.
          And a plurality of Americans have discovered that they can indeed “vote themselves money.”

      2. If you want people to support capitalism, you have to make it not actively hostile to them.

        In the past several crises, the rich have somehow gotten richer while the middle class takes the brunt of it. The poor see no realistic way out, as entrepreneurship has sunk to below Canadian levels, personally held debt has skyrocketed, and the out of pocket costs for education and healthcare have grown at rates far exceeding income.

        The market as it exists in the US clearly is tilted toward the rich, the connected, and mega corporations. Why should someone with no realistic way of benefiting from this system support it?

        Make the market fairer by limiting the government favoritism that is inherent in bail outs and corporate welfare. Existing regulations should be examined strictly for the ability of small businesses and fledgling entrepreneurs to comply with. I would say get rid of all or most regulation, but I believe the US Justice system needs a total overhaul before we can protect rights through civil enforcement.

        1. Capitalism is neither hostile nor supportive. Failure is a part of capitalism. It is a fundamental requirement of capitalism.

          The poor see no realistic way out

          Complete lie based on any metric. See Census, poverty is largely a revolving door.

          https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/1994/demographics/sb94-34.pdf

          Generational poverty is not solved by simply spending more money on those people. You are talking like a socialist.

          The market as it exists in the US clearly is tilted toward the rich

          If in any manner due to political collusions which you have proudly supported in many threads, especially in regards to silicon valley.

        2. “”Make the market fairer by limiting the government favoritism that is inherent in bail outs and corporate welfare.””

          People love bailouts for their team, hate bailouts for the other team. The only way to limit government favoritism is to end their ability to dole the cash out.

          Btw, corporate welfare includes money to green energy companies. The left is not interested in ending corporate welfare. They just complain when it goes to the other team.

        3. While I tend to agree, you seem to be under the impressions that this ‘system’ won’t have the same outcome. It will, only now the middle classes will be wiped out with an extra 6bn in debt.
          Politicians are more than capable of extracting more money from the Rich, they choose not to. That’s not the result of capitalism. This is nothing but favouritism. How many billionaires are paying more taxes since Biden and the Dems pushing for everything under the sun?
          Also, capitalism isn’t hostile to anyone willing to work at something, its just hostile to those that don’t.

        4. “If you want people to support capitalism, you have to make it not actively hostile to them.”

          There isn’t anything hostile towards anyone but socialists about opposing raising the capital gains tax.

          If you want people not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, you have to make it not actively hostile against them?!

          Does not compute.

        5. The unfriendly part is the regulatory state, which you worship. Your democrat masters are the worst offenders in this area.

          If you want to know why capitalism has problems, go look in a mirror. You are to blame. Not us.

        6. “If you want people to support capitalism, you have to make it not actively hostile to them…”

          If you want to be treated as an adult, you really have to outgrow 5th-grade politics of envy. Given the steaming pile of adolescent shit you have proven to be please stay seated at the kiddie table and STFU. Hint ; The Berlin wall wasn’t there to keep west Germans out,but your gov’t-school teachers won’t cover that until the 6th grade.

      3. Yes, there is a consequence to them. Its called stagflation. Takes a while to notice it

      4. Except they do pay. The seen and the unseen. Maybe not in direct income taxes but they pay through inflation, other taxes, higher costs and prices, fewer investments in productive enterprises and in capital, fewer jobs and opportunities. The list goes on…

      5. theyre getting paid to not see it!

    2. We might be better off financially if china ran this country

      1. I wouldn’t go that far.

      2. Keep your powder dry.

  3. Boehm must be so proud to have voted for Biden right now.

  4. >>even as the economy recovers from the …

    Establishment tanking it on purpose.

  5. After letting allowing megacorps to raid the treasury for the past year, are “principled” conservatives pretending to care about deficits again? All hope of shrinking deficits ended the moment everyone got a taste of sweet PPP helicopter money. Bankruptcy is inevitable, in the meantime, ride the tiger and take as much free shit as you can because if you don’t someone else will.

    1. Pretty much.

      1. Yet a year ago you were crying over being denied a PPP loan…

        1. She didn’t realize you need to be running a business to get one.

          1. How many criminals were able to figure out how to rob PPP and he blamed crony banks.

            PPP should never have been done. Neither should lockdowns.

            Dol supports corporate collusion in favor of democrats.

            1. Then blames republics when they’re strong armed into going along with them. It’s a common trait among the traitor class, like DoL.

          2. She’s not sure what this “business” you speak of is.
            Doesn’t her origami-folding charity count? She sold enough at the neighborhood fair’e’ to buy some paper.

    2. Apparently some are still pretending not raiding the corporate coffers is a “raid” on the treasury? Just think in the old days pirates had yo catch your ship and take your stuff. Instead the pirates should have complained to the that merchants not giving them their goods was raiding their coffers.

      1. A better analogy to the current situation would be large merchants employing pirates to raid small merchants and give their shit to the large merchants in exchange for letting the pirates run underage whorehouses.

        1. A good analogy is not too wordy…

          1. It’s more of a parable…

            1. Underage whorehouses, huh?

              And they say Epstein didn’t kill himself.

            2. Aesop’s parable of the whorehouse

  6. “Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.

    The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

    “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure,” the email reads.

    An earlier email from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma’s No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for “advice on how you could use your influence” on the company’s behalf.

    The blockbuster correspondence — which flies in the face of Joe Biden’s claim that he’s “never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings” — is contained in a massive trove of data recovered from a laptop computer.

    —-New York Post

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

    Hunter Biden introduced his corrupt Burisma buddies to his father. If Joe Biden pleads that his memory is going, and that’s why he lied, I might believe him. I’m not buying that he wasn’t selling influence through his son. They’re such a corrupt group of people!

    This is why we have special prosecutors.

    P.S. Now that Facebook has decided to let people talk about whether the virus leaked from a lab, I wonder if they start letting people talk about Joe Biden’s corrupt son. I’d bet against it. Facebook only changed course on the virus story when Biden said it might be true, and Biden isn’t about to give Facebook permission to let people talk about his corrupt son.

    1. Have I ever mentioned that Joe Biden is a crook?

      1. Once or twice.

      2. Worth repeating, SleepyJoe is a crook.

      3. So crooked he spent his entire life as the poorest member of Congress, only to finally make his move when he became vice president of the United States.

        1. His family didn’t remain poor. And just ignore all of his trusts…

          1. I know, I know, a Democrat making honest money is a hypocrite. Republicans making money with a lifetime of blatant corruption… hey they never said they were honest in the first place!

            1. You are such a blind partisan drone for the collective.

              Now wonder you will have to be put down. Beware a visit to the veterinarian. You won’t be coming back.

              1. Furries are people too. Sort of.

        2. Nobody said he was good at it.

          1. I muted the dipshit and his apparent sock raspberry dinette; I no long have to see the perverse never changing drivel, but remain entertained and enlightened by all of the responses from those who have not chosen to mute. For me it’s a win win!

            1. Same I made the change to mute him and rasp. I didn’t think I would since I’ve only gotten Brason Tay and ilk and Rev. Kirkland but it’s comments never do anything to answer or respond to a point just regurgitate some insane try to make you made nonsense.

    2. I don’t think the corruption stops with Hunter. The Big Guy was bought and paid for as well.

    3. Isn’t it revealing those who claimed the emails were fraudulent are silent now that they’ve been proven genuine? At the time they pretended to care about presidential candidates colluding with foreign governments. But now that we know it’s true they show no concern. Why sometimes I suspect that whole Russia Collusion nonsense was just partisanship and the left has no problem with corruption.

      1. It’s just like the story on the virus from Wuhan.

        You weren’t allowed to talk about it on social media and most of the news media wouldn’t cover the theory that it escaped from a lab in Wuhan–because it was a conspiracy theory.

        Now they’ve proven that Biden was actually at a meeting with Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian associates, and one of them thanked Biden.

        1. Biden did the opposite of what was in the interest of said Ukrainians, fulfilling perfectly public policy aims of the Obama administration. This has all been fact checked. If you don’t want to read about why you’re propagating yet another heap of rightwing bullshit in an endless supply of vaguely described amygdala-prodding rightwing bullshit, then you’re committing to embarrassing yourself in front of other people.

          Trying to distract from the fact that any number of Trumps could be going to prison soon?

          Ken, with the eagle eyes for corruption.

          1. Was this documented by the same people who told us that we couldn’t discuss the theory that the Wuhan virus escaped from a lab on social media because it was just a conspiracy theory?

            Where’s your link to that, Tony?

            The new information here is that these Ukrainians actually met with Joe Biden himself–according to the emails on Hunter Biden’s laptop.

            Does your source reference that fact?

            “Joe Biden met with Ukrainian, Russian and Kazakhstani business associates of his son’s at a dinner in Washington, DC, while he was vice president, records on Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop show . . . .

            The guest list prepared by Hunter three weeks before the Café Milano dinner included Russian billionaire Yelena Baturina and her husband, corrupt former Moscow mayor Yury Luzhkov, who since has died. Baturina wired $3.5 million on Feb. 14, 2014, to Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC, a Delaware-based investment firm co-founded by Hunter and Devon Archer, a former adviser to Secretary of State John Kerry.

            The wires were flagged in suspicious activity reports provided by the Treasury to a Senate Republican inquiry into Hunter last year by the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

            —-New York Post

            https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

            1. If it was all perfectly valid why did Biden lie about it and why did the left media embargo the facts?

              Like with AOC Tony’s best contribution is showing us the left’s most important trait is the willingness to say stupid shit in public.

            2. Hunter Biden is a known former drug addict and loser. Is that Christian charity that compels you to condemn him for the choices he has made amends for and then blame his father for them too?

              Meanwhile, speaking of Ukraine and corruption, do you think Rudy Giuliani will share a cell with Trump? It would be a fitting end to a saga that has resembled The Producers in so many ways.

              Trump the day after the election in 2016: “Where did we go RIGHT?”

              1. Summary:

                Distract, Lie, Whataboutism

                Is that Christian charity

                I’m always amused when Christianity haters cite Christianity as if they know what it means. Apparently religion has no place in public life except to defend corrupt Democrats.

                blame his father for them too?

                It’s funny Tony’s sticking with pretending only Hunter is corrupt even though the emails show Joe’s involvement proving Joe’s lies and corruption.

                Rudy Giuliani

                I’m so old I remember when left wingers pretended whataboutism was wrong. But enough about last week.

                1. If you’re concerned about political corruption, you’d spend about 20 years posting about Trumps and Giuliani before you get to whatever the fuck you think the Bidens did.

                  Pro tip: Next time, have a lie that actually has some coherent narrative to it. The Hunter thing never caught on with anyone outside the Tucker Carlson circle jerk, and even his fanboys can’t articulate what it’s about.

                  What they want from you is to activate your brainstem whenever the words “Hunter” and “Burisma” are uttered, and if you’ve thought about the details at all, they’ve failed.

                  Stop being such a sad victim.

                  1. “If you’re concerned about political corruption, you’d spend about 20 years posting about Trumps…”

                    Hypocritical pieces of lefty slime keep posting these lies about a guy who,for three years, was investigated by thousands of people who hate his guts.
                    Result? They couldn’t even get him on an un-paid parking ticket or a jay-walking charge. No *ONE*!!!!
                    And yet, hypocritical pieces of lefty slime keep posting these lies. Not for nothing is it called Trump DERANGEMENT Syndrome, asshole.

                    1. But when Don Jr. is being handcuffed and shoved into a patrol car, you’re just going to call it a deep state conspiracy.

                      Being stupid means you never have to be wrong. Must be nice.

                    2. As a TDS-addled piece of shit, you have been telling us for near five years how:
                      1 “Trump will never serve out his term!!!!!!!!!”
                      2 “Trump colluded with the Russkis!!!!!!!!”
                      3 “Trump Will ‘Definitely’ Be Indicted ‘Before Summer’s End’ – According to His Former Fixer (for something or other)!!!!!!”
                      4 “Trump go to Jail for Payoff to Porn Star Stormy Daniels?!!!!!”
                      5 “Trump will be convicted in (this D arranged) impeachment!!!!!!!”
                      And many, many more.
                      And not ONE of your feverish, spittle-laden fantasies has done other than prove:
                      You.
                      Are.
                      Full.
                      Of.
                      Shit
                      Now, it is possible that the fishing expedition might finally drag up a minnow like a jay-walking citation, which will not change your position as a fucking TDS-addled piece of shit and a liar.
                      Please fuck off, die and leave the adults alone, scumbag.

                  2. have a lie that actually has some coherent narrative to it.

                    Your only criteria for coherence is whether the target is a Dem or a Rep. Selling access and influence is well understood, pretending otherwise is just your policy to always support any lie to protect the left.

                2. “Distract, Lie, Whataboutism”

                  I do not have to see that it’s “Tony” to know who you are responding to.

                  I realize some posters feel an obligation to refute the nonsense, and I’ve tried but it’s like banging your head against a wall and somehow thinking the wall will get smarter. Clearly, it doesn’t You are dealing with a perpetual victim, and anything and everything that comes from it will be in accordance with that despondent mentality; aka, “somebody, please oh please make my world a nice place that will take care of me, because I failed at finding me a troll to be my sugar daddy.”

              2. I’m curious where you’re getting that “former” from.

            3. Incidentally, I posted the wrong link!

              Here’s the story that just came out yesterday.

              “Hunter Biden brought VP Joe to dinner with shady business partners”

              https://nypost.com/2021/05/26/hunter-biden-arranged-secret-dinner-with-business-partners-and-vp-joe/

              1. And the fact that a grand jury has been convened for Trump but not Biden is evidence that the whole system is corrupt, I presume.

                1. Explain to us how Cuomo is skating and then ask us to believe that the grand jury isn’t politically biased, asshole.

          2. Tony, with the fly senses for a steaming pile of shit.

          3. fulfilling perfectly public policy aims of the Obama administration.

            So long as we all agree enriching Obama Administration members was a public policy aim of the Obama Administration. Better people than Tony would question whether such a goal was valid, not simply whether it exists.

            1. The thing is, even if the worst were true (as reported by the font of journalistic integrity the NY Post), it would still

              a) Make the Bidens about a million times less corrupt than the Trumps, and

              b) Make Trump still the worst president in the past and future history of the United States.

              We only get two choices. I choose the less corrupt and incompetent. How about you?

              1. It’s revealing you simply assert Trump was corrupt as if your fantasies were reality. In actuality our choice is between two ineffective executives. One ran a reality show and largely ignored policy. The other enriched himself but – with good organized crime etiquette – also wasted enough of my money that all his cronies could wet their beaks as well.

                But I have no expectation anyone on the left cares about Joe’s corruption. They’ve already proven they fully support it.

                1. There’s a criminal probe into the Trump organization happening as we speak dude. Read better sources of news.

                  1. There’s been criminal probes regarding Trump from the day you woke up and realized that you’re a loser.
                    Not so much as a jay-walking ticket, TDS-addled asshole.

                    1. I vote for people who don’t have criminal probes following them their entire adult lives.

                    2. “I vote for people who don’t have criminal probes following them their entire adult lives.”

                      Dunno, asshole, you might consider those who have been pretty thoroughly examined rather than those hoping to skate.

                  2. There’s a criminal probe into the Trump organization happening as we speak dude.

                    That you believe the conviction comes before the investigation surprises exactly no one. Regardless the investigation is not for public corruption, but instead for actions taken with regard to his real estate holdings.

                    Maybe you’d know this is you read better sources of news instead of politicized fantasy fare.

    4. And Benghazi was a…. something! You don’t know, you just know it was real bad!

      Ken, you’re losing your mind to rightwing media. You should stop before you embarrass your relatives.

      1. You’re an idiot.

      2. A complete failure of managing security of diplomats that had multiple requests for upgrades denied by the secretary of state. Then had the government and media lie about what caused it.

        Not sure why you support hillary/Obama in this.

        1. Apparently keeping Americans alive wasn’t a perfect public policy aim.

        2. After all that happened over the last four years and you still think Benghazi is a thing.

          Four people killed by Libyan terrorists implicates Democrats somehow, but an attempted murder of the United States congress and vice president by a sitting president… also the fault of Democrats, I suppose. For not conceding an election they won.

          You gotta stop consuming rightwing media. It is doing regrettable things to your brain.

          1. an attempted murder of the United States congress and vice president by a sitting president

            This is a cautionary tale about left wingers who cannot reconcile to reality and instead come to believe their fantasies are real.

            1. Saw it happen on TV.

              1. Yeah, I saw a protest, too.

                1. I’m surprised you say anything with your forehead buried in Trump’s bush.

                  1. Nobody here cares about your erotic fantasies, steaming pile of lefty shit.

  7. This is what Reason wanted – fuck off.

    https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1397889286234648576
    $6T budget
    + $2T “recovery” bill
    + $2T infrastructure bill
    + $2T “American Families Plan”
    _____________
    $12T

    1. p.s. shut up about it or else.

    2. It’s scary how many of the replies are face-palmingly stupid.

    3. We weren’t joking when we said they were going to inflate the debt away. The value of your labor and savings are going away as well.

      1. That’s why they’re pushing UI.
        “We’re going to inflate away your savings, and make you wholly dependent on government largess to make ends meet. You’ll own nothing and be happy.”

  8. Democrats love spending the taxpayer money like no other.

    1. Don’t be silly. Government spends money before it taxes anyone. Doubly so if it refuses to ever raise taxes on anyone.

      1. Biden wants to spend 2.3 trillion on the back of 80 billion in taxes. Tell us again how this is better than not spending anything again.

        1. Depends entirely on what it’s being spent on and who’s being taxed.

          You don’t mean not spending anything, you mean spending at current levels on whatever we’re spending on. That’s a positive policy choice. Democrats were not elected to oversee the Trump portfolio. If they were, they could accomplish what he accomplished with much more efficiency by simply lining up 600,000 people and having them shot.

          1. ‘…You don’t mean not spending anything, you mean spending at current levels on whatever we’re spending on. That’s a positive policy choice. Democrats were not elected to oversee the Trump portfolio. If they were, they could accomplish what he accomplished with much more efficiency by simply lining up 600,000 people and having them shot….”

            We can make this much shorter:
            You.
            Are.
            Full.
            Of.
            Shit.

      2. Quit proving people are right when they call you a moron.

  9. Ha yeah good stuff there liberaltarians. Well maybe all those mexicans and central americans crossing the border illegally will pay the taxes for it right? Tony says they will.

    1. That whiny jerk off still around? Haven’t seen much of him since the mute button came on board, but I suspect he’s transitioned into raspberry dinette.

      1. No question.

      2. “That whiny jerk off still around?…”

        See above and below; we still have shitstain to kick around, and it seems the booze is getting to him. He’s gotten no more intelligent.

  10. This is the true cost of filtering mean tweets.

  11. Next cycle Dems will run on who can increase it more. Paul Krugman’s only criticism is that none of them plan to spend enough.

    Once you accept that all government spending is good why would there ever be a limit?

  12. Biden wants to be thought of as the next FDR and some (leftist) historians told him the way to do that was to GO BIG and GO BOLD, with seemingly endless spending. So that’s what he’s doing.

    1. ^^^This^^^^

    2. You hit the nail on the head. He knows he’s one term and wants to make a legacy for himself.

      1. One term because…

        1. He will die in office?
        2. He won’t run again or?
        3. Won’t be elected if he does?

        4th possibility is of course is 25A.

        1. they’ll keep him propped like Weekend@Biden’s through that third term

    3. What really fucks me off is that most of it will be going overseas or to cronies, paid out to consulting companies with ties to various leftist groups, some with family members working 2 days a month for huge salaries, and inevitably a nice portion doing back to Democrat coffers.
      What does go to the little people will be off buying votes so they can elect more of this shit, and fuck the middle class who will end up paying for it.

      1. Wait, what? Are you saying there’s corruption in government? Maybe we can try to limit its power somehow.

  13. Totally unpredictable.

  14. “The current Congressional Budget Office (CBO) baseline envisions just a hair over $5 trillion in spending during the current fiscal year, and it does not see federal spending exceeding $6 trillion until 2027. Biden’s plan takes the country to that level next year.”

    Hey, that’s Progress! #amirite?

  15. This just in. Biden asks who the hell is this idiot when told about 6T spending bill.

  16. Whew… Good thing Trump didn’t win.

  17. At this point it would have support if it was a 1 quadrillion dollar budget. Never go full Zimbabwe.

    1. I won’t be happy until there is a literal river of cash flowing down my street. I mean a three foot deep 8 foot wide stream of 100 dollar bills rushing by like some kind of flood. Dip out as much as you want with a bucket. Take your time, we got plenty.

  18. So advocate raising taxes.

    You won’t, because it’s a matter of dogma. Dogma has no place in politics. Politics is about the real world. If you are dogmatic about never raising taxes, ever, for any reason, then you have no business having political opinions.

    You need not worry, however, since the federal budget deficit is a misnomer. Consider it a surplus in the private sector. The government makes the money out of thin air. If there is capacity in the economy to do the things it wants to do, then there is economic activity, and the dollars go into human pockets.

    The only problem is when idiotic dogmatists get a hold of the reins of power and do stupid things with their time.

    You don’t get to weasel out of the consequences. If the only policy you ever champion is cutting taxes, then you’re for budget deficits, you’ve championed the largest contributors to budget deficits on the policy record, and you’re a big old hypocrite.

    Your only defense is to say you’re for cutting taxes on the off chance that they’ll motivate politicians to cut the social programs you want to cut for, again, ideological reasons. But as I’ve explained, that’s not how a national budget works.

    You could try just being honest with people about what you want to do to them and then ask their permission using the usual democratic means. Too risky?

      1. Perhaps. They’re just words.

        Now explain why anarchy is such a fabulous form of government.

        1. Because if you’re doing it, chances are most people aren’t asshats spewing government violence everywhere.

          1. Chances are? With no government you don’t have any right to your property. It no more belongs to you than it belongs to me. Why don’t you get that?

            Even if you assume the best in people, which would be the most naive possible thing anyone could possibly do, there’s still gonna be disputes. There’s still gonna be psychopaths and desperate people. I’m all for defunding the cops but this is ridiculous!

            1. “Chances are? With no government you don’t have any right to your property. It no more belongs to you than it belongs to me. Why don’t you get that?…”

              Shitstain’s “education” began in kindergarten and ended in grade 2.

              1. “”Shitstain’s “education” began in kindergarten and ended in grade 2.”””

                Doubt it. More like cried so hard about being left behind by mom that he never attended.

            2. I’m really not interested in semantic word game BS where you define rights and government as the same thing just to make losing government sound bad.

              If the only reason you don’t resolve disputes violently with the people around you is because of the government, then I understand why anarchy scares you shitless. I’m just not required to go along with your projection as if it defines the human condition forever. I do hope that, some day, most people rise above you.

              1. I don’t know if that’s the only reason I don’t resolve disputes violently. Neither of us knows how we’d behave in a different environment. If you were raised by ISIS, you’d be a Muslim terrorist. If you were raised in anarchy, whether you were violent would be partly how psychopathic you are, granted, but partly how desperate you are.

                I submit that there would be a lot of desperate people around in your society, not to mention the psychopaths roaming freely. That’s because you’ve just told them that the big problem with society is that it does too much to help them.

                It’s not that you’re living in a fantasy world, it’s that you’re being dishonest about what you think. Nobody can be so attached to his cultural rituals and favor anarchy at the same time.

              2. If getting educated were a choice, and only available to those who could afford it (education being a very expensive thing), how could you possibly describe the resulting economy as morally permissible, let alone fair?

                Pure unadulterated feudalism is what you endorse, at best. I don’t know if anyone’s explained this to you but, lords and kings didn’t get that way through merit. They weren’t literate because they happened to be more industrious than peasants. They got there by way of their mother’s twat. That’s the sum total of the moral justification for their wealth.

                Yet you somehow think that wealth could be more fairly distributed than it is today as long as we ignore all crime.

                1. What I’m suggesting is that people learn to solve disputes and social problems without resorting to systemic violence. That’s not to say there is not dispute resolution, self-protection, charity, etc. practically all of what you just wrote is imagining some bizarre world of your own choosing and telling me I came up with it. Not really. Your lack of imagination for how problems could be solved doesn’t really constrain reality.

                  In general, it sounds like you think a so petty without government would be bad because of all the tyranny and violence. That does sound bad, and it makes my point for me: violence isn’t a good way to solve disputes. Let’s stop pretending government isn’t violent and outgrow it. No, it won’t happen now, or tomorrow, and if I got rid of government, you silly people would just create a worse one.

                  I’m saying that we should, as a matter of principle, renounce violence and work together to solve problems cooperatively, without compulsion. All of us. Together. Which can’t possibly be tyranny, because I’m saying let’s all do this cooperatively and voluntarily. Your way of doing cooperatively things is much more authoritarian than mine. I’m willing to wait until the world grows up and learns real, actual tolerance.

                2. Anyway, didn’t you say “Neither of us knows how we’d behave in a different environment?”

                  For someone who doesn’t know how we would behave in a different environment, you sound pretty certain how we would behave in a different environment.

                  Why don’t you figure out where you want to land on that one and then we can continue?

                  1. “”For someone who doesn’t know how we would behave in a different environment, you sound pretty certain how we would behave in a different environment.””

                    It ok for him to sound like he knows, but no one else can have an opinion. It’s way to common these days.

    1. Why dont you sell all of you possessions and send a check made out to the government.

      1. Because that would be contrary to the incentives the government has set up for me.

        Every rational action you take with your money is an action the government wanted you to take. That’s how tax law works.

        1. So it’s good that all your actions and decisions are guided by government.

          Loser.

          1. I didn’t say it was good, just that it is. If you hate government guiding your choices, then you are the one who should be turning down tax breaks.

            1. Certainy drunk. No sober person would offer that to adults.

        2. So what your saying is, “tax loopholes” as a concept are bullshit, because government wants it that way.

          Governments aren’t people; they’re a legal fiction. They don’t “want” things. They vote on laws and enforce them with violence. They don’t coherently “want” anything because they are composed of hundreds of people who all disagree in multiple ways and dimensions on practically everything. “Permissible by law” doesn’t become “want” just because you like anthropomorphisms.

          1. Yes, only in principle does the tax code reflect the social-engineering will of Congress. A loophole is an unforeseen misalignment between the letter and intent of the law. Sometimes Congress fixes those as part of its usual job.

            Do you think 401ks are tax shelters by sheer accident? Because a senator got drunk and passed out on a lever somewhere? Of course not. They wanted to encourage retirement savings and gave a tax cut–relative to traditional investing–to do so.

            If you ask me, they could have just enforced a right to pensions and other guarantees like they used to, but “free marketeers” got a hold of the reins and now everyone’s going to either retire in poverty or Social Security is going to become five times bigger.

            Well done. Slow clap. Do you think perhaps part of your problem might be the fact that you don’t understand how taxes work?

            1. You should look at the facts of current pension systems before you embrace them so heavily.

              The only think worse than having to fund your own 401k is having your misfunded pension collapse and the “government insurance” come in and pay you pennies on the dollar from what you expected. Ask someone who’s pension went belly up how much they wish they had thought to take care of it themselves.

    2. You know, for once, I actually agree with Tony 100% (Someone pinch me, I think this might be a dream). The government should not be printing money, and what it spends should be collected in taxes.

      Now, for sure, I surely disagree with Tony that the current levels of spending are good and that we merely need to raise taxes to meet them. I would argue that spending needs to be cut drastically (until it meets the level of taxation) and tangential to that I’d argue that taxes need to be spread more evenly over the electorate so that it’s not just 10 people going out to lunch and 9 of them deciding that 1 should foot the bill, but the basic premise he has is correct: Advocating for tax cuts is just a different flavor of gibsmedat.

    3. Please is the taxes you want to raise to pay for this spending. Hint… you’ll have to hit the middle and lower classes hard to do so.

      1. Total income for everyone in the us was just under 20 trillion last year. To get just the extra 6 trillion covered is nearly a 30% tax rate for everyone. The normal budget is 4 trillion. So a total of 10 trillion in spending is a 50% tax rate for everyone in the US, not just the rich guys, everyone. That’s just to break even this year . Tack on some more if you want to pay down the debt.

      2. I want to let you in on a secret. Taxes don’t pay for shit. Congress passes a spending bill, then the money is printed to spend. Taxes are taken later.

        Which is to say, taxes are not for buying stuff, they are for managing the distribution of money in the economy. You tax stuff you want less of, the same way you spend on stuff you want more of.

        People have sold you the idea that the government gets its money the same way you do and thus has the same sort of budget you do. There is no cosmic credit card. US debt is bought by investors, most of them US citizens.

        If something goes terribly wrong and the US can’t make good on its debts, then we have bigger problems than a budget shortfall. Your big problem will not be the US federal deficit, it will be the fact that your dollars are now worthless and there are no property rights anymore.

        1. Certainly drunk. No sober person would offer that to adults.

          1. Ooga booga?

            Does the world run by mantras?

            1. It’s just words… like every comment you’ve ever written.

    4. Man, you really are that stupid.

  19. I’m betting that the social security and medicare crisis, along with higher interest rates and soaring debt, plus more aggressive moves by other nations, and with the destabilization of energy markets, is going to happen right about the same time in roughly a decade. It’s going to make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

    Anyway above Tony suggests just lie back and enjoy getting raped by taxes, as he is the expert in being a bottom and getting it good and hard.

    1. Don’t knock it until you try it. Straight men have prostates too.

      What’s this crisis we’ve been promised for about 50 years? If we run out of money for old poor people, there’s plenty of it in the accounts of rich old people. Even if you think that the United States operates on a household budget (would that I could print my own money and have people accept it), it’s only a crisis if you never raise taxes.

      And if you never raise taxes, that means you caused the crisis.

      1. LOL. Modern day Robin Hood.

        1. Libertarians were the kids taking the side of King John, I presume.

          Having no friends in school can really fuck you up the rest of your life, if you let it.

          1. Sorry to hear about your terrible childhood.

            1. I always found it easy to make friends, somehow. A good start was taking the good guys’ side in fairy tales instead of the bad guys’. Not sufficient, but probably necessary.

              1. “I always found it easy to make friends, somehow…”

                You misspelled “tricks”, shitstain.

                1. I realize it’s bad form to explain jokes, but let’s examine this one, for the sake of science.

                  The content of your “insult” humor is that I am of lower social status because I am sexually prolific, at least compared to you.

                  Yet I, the target of your gibe, am not known to practice any sort of monogamous cultural tradition or adopt any of their mores. It serves, in fact, to increase one’s social status, where I come from, when one is, as they say, a “loose man.” Up to a point, anyway.

                  Only do a few vanishingly irrelevant communities in our society practice any such tradition that would implicate a man in such a way. And, in those communities, as long as the man is relatively circumspect about it, he’s almost expected to have “a little side meat” named Geoff or such.

                  It is, put simply, lost on me.

                2. So fun to just read the replies [I know, I’m getting off easy here and relying on work from the rest of you…oh shit that sounds just like Tony!].

                  He really just wants a sugar daddy troll to bankroll him in return for “benefits.”

  20. “But.. But.. That’s only $27.3K/yr per adult USA citizen.. ONLY 1800 hrs of human labor per citizen @ $15/hr!!!”

    Democratic Politicians will chase their ponzi ‘fiat’ money scheme until ALL citizens are but a slave of the state and working all day for rice and a tent.

    What’s the ‘richest’ area in the entire USA??? That’s right — Washington D.C. And how much produce/human resources comes out of D.C.???? Nothing to speak of.

  21. While Biden’s proposal does not envision budget deficits rising as high as they did last year—when the government spent $3.1 trillion more than it collected in tax revenue—

    Trump inherited a $500 billion deficit and promptly ran it up SIX FUCKING TIMES higher.

    1. But think of all the good he did.

      Did he not target the right minority groups for violent assault? A healthy ledger pales in comparison to the social utility of douchey fearmongering hate.

      Did he not give America’s choads tacit permission to be terrible human beings in public as well as private? How can you put a pricetag on that bonanza?

    2. “Trump inherited a $500 billion deficit and promptly ran it up SIX FUCKING TIMES higher…”

      Turd, you been offering that cherry-picked pile of bullshit from about the time you and your BFF shitstain started trying to convince adults that Trump was responsible for the Wu-flu.
      The adults continue to laugh in your face, you pathetic piece of lefty shit.

    3. Surely; A single budget that is TWELVE FUCKING TIMES higher (TWICE) that amount is of no concern to ignoramuses.

      Of course it takes a ton of ignorance to cherry-pick an entirely Republican controlled Congresses budget during Obama’s very last year while utterly ignoring his first-term of doing what Trump did in his very FIRST YEAR.

  22. Biden supporters answer… blame Trump.

    No wonder were all losing.

    1. Notice the mentality of the left —
      Blame everything on ‘that’ person.
      Blame everything on ‘that’ skin-color.
      Blame everything on ‘that’ sex.

      It’s [WE] mob/gangster mentality. No logic or analysis needed just an emotional gov-gun *power* trip of [WE] various collectives rules EVERYONE else.

      Zero respect for any individuals liberty or justice. It’s all ‘gang’ rules of affiliation to the left and pointing guns at everything else.

  23. Meh, wasn’t Trump’s last one like 4.8 trillion? At least some of this will get back to normal citizens. Better than putting more tax loopholes in for the rich to write off 3 martini lunches.

    1. Fuck off Tony sock.

    2. “”Meh, wasn’t Trump’s last one like 4.8 trillion? “”

      You mean Pelosi’s. Trump didn’t create that budget. The democrats in the house have been the driver of these large budgets for a few years.

    3. Yeah, the 6 trillion Trump spent is bad.
      The 12 trillion Biden is planning to spend is 100% worse.

    4. Oh; That Nazi bill written 87% by Democrats (The CARES Act)?

      Yes it was a huge mistake for Trump and ALL Republicans to let that Nazi bill pass as it is with hundreds of Democratic pitched Nazi bills the left writes.

      I really really wish that Republicans would stop acting like Democrats or caving to Nazism or at least have a Supreme Court that did their F-en job and upheld “The People’s” supreme law over their government.

      Just because Republicans aren’t perfect still is hardly an excuse to help National Socialists (def; Nazi’s) take over the USA.

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    The currency has been annually debased by deficit spending, but that RATE of debasement is now accelerating to third world monetary inflation — probably STAGFLATION. I guess America has to learn by doing — doing the absolutely wrong thing.

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